Hey Tim. If this reaches you, I just wanted to tell you that watching your channel has been truly therapeutic for me. I am a builder in the Midwest, who, for years now has been trying to transition from framer/ carpenter to a custom homebuilder and I am achieving those goals, but the drudgery of learning the business side and, the day-to-day grind has been weighing on me for sometime. I found your channel and you have reminded me of why I do what I do and why I love what I do. I’ve also learned some new tricks along the way so this might be weird, but just wanted to say thank you. What you’re doing is making a difference.
I know it gets said a lot in your comments, but I really appreciate that you don't edit out your mistakes. We all mess up from time to time and it's good to know you're human, as well. That's one beautiful deck! Also, not to brag, but I can slide a stabila across every floor I've ever framed.... I just have to put the sheeting on first...
Love those architectural/engineered lags. They look great and. like you said, they are so easy. Use them all the time. The LVL's are pretty baller. Well done.
My stepfather was named Tim he Taught me everything I know about framing. And it's extremely similar to your style. Which is always tried and true. Thank you for your contribution to the world of framing and the next generation of framers.
I see your point on a higher end spec home. But trying to sell that to an average client would be a very tough sell. Great video and great job. P.S. if it was double the price, I could see the advantage, but 3 to 4 times the cost, ouch.
Good work guys. Something I’ve started doing with my deck building is ripping the blocking down 12mm (or half an inch to you yanks) and install it flush with the bottom of the joists. Gives the water better chance to drain. Every old deck that’s failed that I have demolished always rots out in those junction points of the framing You’re welcome!
When it come to building materials and tools, youll end up buying cheap several times and end up spending more overall. Learned that many years ago. Quality ALWAYS has a higher price at the start. The treated lumber here in the midwest isnt any better. Great video. The level oopsie is just a good ad for how good those levels are. LOL
Roll the tape. Always roll the tape! LOL. Actually came back to watch this again to see the treated LVLs. Going to be framing an entire subfloor over a crawlspace on a barrier island in NJ. The engineer called out pressure treated 2x lumber after we install a center drop beam. Looking to change out the 2x lumber with pressure treated LVLs. Pacific Wood Tech has a distributor near by. I haven't priced it yet. Helping a friend do this job. I'm a retired machinist which makes me a slow carpenter that tries to make everything perfect. Original floor frame were clear span 23 ft trusses. A crazy tenant ignored a toilet leak for years. It destroyed 1/3 of the trusses.
I know the PT wood you are looking for and it is still made, the original formula pressure treated. It goes by the name “Tide Tuff”, from the company Great southern wood preserving INC Albeville AL 36310. It is beautiful lumber that can stand in the ocean, treated all the way through. I have seen this lumber go 27 years outside and not rot.
I see guys build decks wrong all the time! I do finish and I just built a huge set of cabinets for the customers work area ! Huge garage with a nice ski boat! Toe kick separate to accommodate grade and bottoms G-Taped and bottom/ back of cabinets G-Taped for any moisture! Great product! Your the Mang!
To be fully transparent, but still visible in infrared, we bend the 8' level a long time ago. I forget, but we did something stupid. Its flat but bent the other way. I can't remember if we spilled sheathing against it with the forklift.
Great video. The deck I framed last year I had to rip and plane most of the joists to make a flat/level deck. And this spring the deck looks like crap with how much the joists have warped, telegraphing through the Trex.
Just found yer channel and subbed ! Love the comedy with the knowledge you’re sharing. Curious, what do you charge for framing a new house is it by the foot?
Tim… very impressive in many ways mate. Safety…you again did the awkward work not the boys, you set up a platform, you prepared your materials, you made it look easy and not as strenuous, using the Paslode cordless nailers no hoses or trip hazards and they are light, showed us that you’re human by not editing out a error and you made Stabila hold their breathe with another slide the level stunt 😁👏🏻👏🏻 question…did you use gal nails into that product?
Yep, galvies because its exterior and I don't want the nails to bleed all over this beautiful LVL. And yes, the plank is an easy set up with a big pay off. I know what I can do off a ladder, like fix my mistakes, so I make sure that's on me.
I don't believe PWT has treated LVL posts, but I believe you can get treated glulam columns. Keep in mind the treatment doesn't penetrate all the way in, but they will be straighter.
Great video! The pressure-treated LVL seems like quite an innovation. Side question, what was that board and batten cladding on one of the houses?? Man that looked smart.
You didn’t show any details about attaching to the house. I’m going to build my deck just like how you did this one, because it’s fantastic! I just want some info on how you waterproof as well as the screws/ bolts you use. Thanks for all videos you do. If nothing else you make it fun.🇨🇦🙏🏻👍👍
They sized square, but I ordered round sono tubes to make it easier to set and pour/place concrete. That means they have to be oversized so the square fits inside the round. Since we have to pay a short load fee on the concrete anyway, it was worth the extra concrete.
One of my neighbors was required by the city to have large pads like those pads. Plus, there was a 40 inch frost line, so a lot of concrete in each post. The fewer posts a deck has, the more weight each post can potentially support once the deck is filled with people. Then, the soil type in the area comes into the picture.
I suggest yes, but a rep for GTape told me it doesn't have to be. I am unable to verify either way on GTapes website. It is listed as a "pressure sensitive" tape, but no specification if more than hand pressure is needed. I suggest rolling it because there's no downside to rolling. www.gtapesusa.com/product-page/3040bk-black-g-tape-4
Louisville louisvilleladder.com/ladders/step-ladders/louisville-ladder-8-foot-fiberglass-tripod-ladder-type-ia-300-pound-load-capacity-ft1508&id=ft1508 Werner www.wernerco.com/us/products/ladders/step-ladders/FTP6200Series/FTP6210
great work! I appreciate the wise lessons shown here. What's the depth of the footings, and is there a standard customer load your team aims (builds to) for on the deck?
If you're talking about the Layout station he showed, it will always produce perfect 90 degree lines (relative to the base) that you can find with the receiver. The base would be where the 90 corner of the right triangle is, and then that receiver goes toward one of the short angles. Once the receiver locks on (so think the base and point are now aligned), you can move the receiver to find the other point of the triangle. There is a GREAT video on how it works on another UA-cam channel, Kyle of RR Buildings shows it pretty well. The Stabilla Layout station is not cheap, but man is it faster and more precise than trying to pull tape lol.
3 to 4 times the cost...Hmm I'll check here in Canada..but delivery plays a factor..and here LVL are usually non stock. Yes the framing timber can vary in width. Which is why we lay them out on a couple saw horses and go from widest down. We start at the house with the widest and work down..natural drainage..we might on a long deck need to rip a board or two to match another. Really not that big a deal. Question..what with the huge overhang..just not cut off yet?
For the PICA Dry, are the colored leads Graphite or Wax? i have a different brand, similar pencil and the wax leads SUCK! If the PICA has red graphite, that would be an easy sell for me.
The red SDWC Strong-Tie truss screws aren't to be used outside, they aren't coated for it. I worked with Strong-Tie at JLC LIVE 2 weeks ago and they are coming out with one coated for exterior use.
Why not positive placement nail gun for the joist brackets? Also, if you'reG- taping in a stack, could be faster to just roll on a fluid applied product.
There isn't a gun on the market that shoots 3" PPN nails It goes really fast taping the joists. I bet we could be done in half the time as a liquid applied. Not to mention the instructions call out and give examples of tape. They may, if asked, give permission to use a fluid applied, but then we've taken even more time checking. GTape has such a good track record.
Didn't mean using the gun to liquid flash. That would take longer. If you had a bucket of Prosco and you rolled it on it would be way faster than the tape, if permitted by MFG. @@AwesomeFramers
From an old framer, the only thing this video didn’t solve is “Rack” of the deck. Most framers put the 1990’s 45 Degree brace from the beam to post. May I diferr, to the 2 x4 triangle under the deck in “rack”. Find center of deck, cut a 24 foot 2 x4 on a 45 degree, run from center on both sides in 45 degrees of the beam to wall plate to form a 8 meeter or so foot triangle. Nail to every joist, I give the world “Rack” without the 1990’s 45 degree braces. This is also a “2 for one “ grab, forming a strong-back grabbing all the joists to act as one.
Another plus....no planing of high spots or knots that telegraph through. I graded, crowned, inspected....did all the junk labor that could be skipped. I was cursing out the last deck frame....I will be looking at this product for the next deck for sure.
Anybody ever tell you that you look and sound uncannily like Matt Damon? 😄 anyway, love the videos, its so helpful to see the process in its entirety as I'm in the midst of laying out my own deck
There's a video that tested the treated lumber and treating the cut ends. The guy waited like three years with the control, coated, and uncoated pieces in water, in soil, and ground level. The control (uncut) end was the best, ht the surprise was that the post cut coated pieces all performed the WORST in terms of rot resistance, even worse than the uncoated cut pieces.
My guess would be that the sealed ends tended to trap excess moisture rather than allow it to escape. The treatment doesn't make the wood water tight, just resistant to rot.
Wood fencing with 4x4 posts is even more frustrating. Run a top string to square posts with +/- 1/16,setting all bows inline . Drive by 6 months later and it looks like crap.😢
Nope. The VR90B we bought in 2003 and it had 3000 hours or so? Besides maintenance, we've had hydraulic seals replaced as they started leaking and we had something back in 2005 or so that was like a $1500 fix. Can't remember what it was. The VR1056 has been a rockstar. Just maintenance and the bigger maintenance intervals. Same thing, some seals replaced.
Nope. The VR90B we bought in 2003 and it had 3000 hours or so? Besides maintenance, we've had hydraulic seals replaced as they started leaking and we had something back in 2005 or so that was like a $1500 fix. Can't remember what it was. The VR1056 has been a rockstar. Just maintenance and the bigger maintenance intervals. Same thing, some seals replaced.
Hey nice video. Tell us how much more money it costs for the treated lvl compared to treated wood a Lin ft. You prolly get a better price but curious what the difference is. So someone can see if it’s worth it. Some homeowners can’t afford it.
How much is the cost difference compared to PT? I used PT KD doug fir for my deck, which was much better than hem fir 90% water wood. I still had to fight with it a bit, but better than HD garbage lumber. LVL looks promising, but if it's 3-4 times the cost that might be hard to justify.
@@AwesomeFramers I guess that depends on which end of the money stick you are on. Since I built my own deck it would cost me quite a bit more. OTOH since my labor is free it wasn't a big deal to use the planer and 8' level to flatten the deck. I wish they would sell a LVL or glue lam product that was competitively priced with regular PT wood. It would be very popular.
Any one that uses ground contact only pressure treated wood (the one with the little slits in the sides) for above ground joists is nuts. They make another grade for outdoors which has a lighter brown color and no slits for above ground structures.
The deck won't be wavey with PT, if you grade your lumber. By grading the lumber, you can pitch your support beam lower where the joists are wider. Doing this is definitely worth the cost if you compare your extra labor to the LVL cost. Also why are your footings so massive?
Tail light warranty. When you see the tail lights go the warranty is up. LOL Ok, how does the acrylic tape do in the UV light? Why not just seal the top? Just asking for real. The product seems great. The only thing I might have done was make all my cuts on the ground. I hate cutting in the air. Just me. If the wall was way out then I would cut it in the air, but any chance I can cut on the ground, I will. Just me. I don't like the risk, or the awkward way of cutting in the air. Great deck!!!
I see that you pressed your flashing tape tight to the side of your joists. Do you think if you left the flaps on the side away from the wood, the water would drain away better?
I don't know and frankly don't think its worth worrying about. But what do I know? I almost want a tape that is 4.5" wide so I can fold it, but then I think maybe that's an eye sore?
The LVL product looks great but the up front cost is an issue. Hemlock and Douglas fir do not accept pressure treatment well. That is the reason that those materials are slitted to allow the treatment to penetrate better and deeper. Southern yellow pine accepts treatment much better than western species. The forest products people at Mississippi State tell me that we should not expect pressure treated lumber to last as long as stated by the manufacturers.
Very different how we do things safety-wise. In EU/Western Europe you cannot build a seond story balcony/deck without erecting a complete scaffolding surrounding it.
I am quite sure, the structural engineer did not call out a SDWS22500 for a 1/2" hole. That is a big NO NO. Bolt should be appropriate for the hole it is being used.
I am quite sure you are incorrect. Look up the hardware and notice the tables for loading. This is all @strongtie hardware fyi, you can find it in the Outdoor Accents collection.
Oh my your right your framing is great but you wrecked the deck! You face screwed the whole thing? There are hidden fasteners for a reason to make the deck look top notch…. That makes me sad that only part of your deck is top notch. Not trying to be negative but I have to call ya out on that. Like I said great framing job love that you didn’t toe nail into the g-tape.
Do you know what the cost is of the aluminum he's using? I had dinner with him last week and I know you don't know the cost. It hasn't been published yet. They are still working in getting distribution set up. So the reality is, you can't even get it yet.
@@lrc87290 it definitely looks cool and Jason likes it. I'm not sure, but I thought there was supposed to be distribution east and west coasts. Don't think that's happened yet though.
Hey Tim. If this reaches you, I just wanted to tell you that watching your channel has been truly therapeutic for me. I am a builder in the Midwest, who, for years now has been trying to transition from framer/ carpenter to a custom homebuilder and I am achieving those goals, but the drudgery of learning the business side and, the day-to-day grind has been weighing on me for sometime. I found your channel and you have reminded me of why I do what I do and why I love what I do. I’ve also learned some new tricks along the way so this might be weird, but just wanted to say thank you. What you’re doing is making a difference.
I know it gets said a lot in your comments, but I really appreciate that you don't edit out your mistakes. We all mess up from time to time and it's good to know you're human, as well.
That's one beautiful deck!
Also, not to brag, but I can slide a stabila across every floor I've ever framed.... I just have to put the sheeting on first...
Yes! We were going to do a level slide on the floor we just sheathed but keep forgetting. Tomorrow!
I love your videos. Your comedy is underrated.
its possible its waaaay over rated 🙂
@@AwesomeFramers possible? Yes. Likely? Nah.
Holy crap that laser system is amazing.
Seriously!💪
Love those architectural/engineered lags. They look great and. like you said, they are so easy. Use them all the time. The LVL's are pretty baller. Well done.
My stepfather was named Tim he Taught me everything I know about framing. And it's extremely similar to your style.
Which is always tried and true.
Thank you for your contribution to the world of framing and the next generation of framers.
Always gotta have fun at work! It gets boring when it's serious all the time!
I’m starting a new deck tomorrow morning. I will definitely look into these treated lvls for future projects.
I see your point on a higher end spec home. But trying to sell that to an average client would be a very tough sell. Great video and great job. P.S. if it was double the price, I could see the advantage, but 3 to 4 times the cost, ouch.
It isn't 3 or 4x, its 3x lineal. Factor in the total cost and its closer to 20%. Much easier sell.
Good work guys. Something I’ve started doing with my deck building is ripping the blocking down 12mm (or half an inch to you yanks) and install it flush with the bottom of the joists. Gives the water better chance to drain. Every old deck that’s failed that I have demolished always rots out in those junction points of the framing
You’re welcome!
hum interesting makes sense nvr heard it nor nvr thought of it
@@ldtenenoff I’ll send you an invoice for my services
When it come to building materials and tools, youll end up buying cheap several times and end up spending more overall. Learned that many years ago. Quality ALWAYS has a higher price at the start. The treated lumber here in the midwest isnt any better. Great video. The level oopsie is just a good ad for how good those levels are. LOL
Nice insights buddy. Good job
That level toss sold me on LVL
Roll the tape. Always roll the tape! LOL. Actually came back to watch this again to see the treated LVLs. Going to be framing an entire subfloor over a crawlspace on a barrier island in NJ. The engineer called out pressure treated 2x lumber after we install a center drop beam. Looking to change out the 2x lumber with pressure treated LVLs. Pacific Wood Tech has a distributor near by. I haven't priced it yet. Helping a friend do this job. I'm a retired machinist which makes me a slow carpenter that tries to make everything perfect. Original floor frame were clear span 23 ft trusses. A crazy tenant ignored a toilet leak for years.
It destroyed 1/3 of the trusses.
love your makita tools buddy. im a little bit of a fanboy but man they have served me well over the years
This is awesome and so informative
15:05
lol my 15amp 10 1/2 milwaukee circular saw does that with fence posts (i use a jig to retain the top part and keep it binding on the blade)
did you post a video on the cement work for the deck columns ?
Well Done! Great Points! Well Worth the UP FRONT COST !!
I know the PT wood you are looking for and it is still made, the original formula pressure treated. It goes by the name “Tide Tuff”, from the company Great southern wood preserving INC Albeville AL 36310. It is beautiful lumber that can stand in the ocean, treated all the way through.
I have seen this lumber go 27 years outside and not rot.
Yes, blanks are great ,if you use them wisely.
I see guys build decks wrong all the time! I do finish and I just built a huge set of cabinets for the customers work area ! Huge garage with a nice ski boat! Toe kick separate to accommodate grade and bottoms G-Taped and bottom/ back of cabinets G-Taped for any moisture! Great product!
Your the Mang!
How can you treat your stabila like that. I'd die if mine fell of a roof. I need to take a closer look at that laser level
To be fully transparent, but still visible in infrared, we bend the 8' level a long time ago. I forget, but we did something stupid. Its flat but bent the other way. I can't remember if we spilled sheathing against it with the forklift.
LVL are awesome, we spec them all the time on our engineering drawings.
Hi there can I get lvl in the uk great video thanks very much Colin
Great video. The deck I framed last year I had to rip and plane most of the joists to make a flat/level deck. And this spring the deck looks like crap with how much the joists have warped, telegraphing through the Trex.
Just found yer channel and subbed ! Love the comedy with the knowledge you’re sharing. Curious, what do you charge for framing a new house is it by the foot?
Awesomeness
Great looking product as well ( it’s not green)
Tim… very impressive in many ways mate. Safety…you again did the awkward work not the boys, you set up a platform, you prepared your materials, you made it look easy and not as strenuous, using the Paslode cordless nailers no hoses or trip hazards and they are light, showed us that you’re human by not editing out a error and you made Stabila hold their breathe with another slide the level stunt 😁👏🏻👏🏻 question…did you use gal nails into that product?
Yep, galvies because its exterior and I don't want the nails to bleed all over this beautiful LVL.
And yes, the plank is an easy set up with a big pay off. I know what I can do off a ladder, like fix my mistakes, so I make sure that's on me.
@@AwesomeFramers Happy Easter mate 🐣🐣🐣
@@TBird89 thanks
Squaree looking 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Awesome 😎👊🏻👏
Do they make laminated treated 4x or 6x posts?
I don't believe PWT has treated LVL posts, but I believe you can get treated glulam columns. Keep in mind the treatment doesn't penetrate all the way in, but they will be straighter.
A gluelam wouldn't be as pertty as the real deal either I guess
@@claytonkeeney8911 I like the look of Glulam much more than Pressure Treated.
Great video! The pressure-treated LVL seems like quite an innovation. Side question, what was that board and batten cladding on one of the houses?? Man that looked smart.
Its @roseburgco Armorite and is getting primed as I type. Hoping to get some shots tomorrow of it being painted.
Is there an equivalent to the PWT LVL for outdoor stair stringers? Did you make a set of stairs for this deck? Thanks
They do make LVL that can be used for stairs. I'm planning a video on this later this summer
Is there a video for the ledger?
There is a REEL on IG and a YT Short here on the channel
Tim, will you paint the joists, beam and posts or use a solid stain?
None of the above, we'll leave as is
Thaks a lot for everything you do i enjoy your videos but if I were you i cant slide my stabila type R300 looks like 10cm next to the window ❤❤❤
13:12 I'm always thinking about that 0.25/ day on leap years as well. 😆
right? 😁
You didn’t show any details about attaching to the house. I’m going to build my deck just like how you did this one, because it’s fantastic! I just want some info on how you waterproof as well as the screws/ bolts you use. Thanks for all videos you do. If nothing else you make it fun.🇨🇦🙏🏻👍👍
Wonder if that treated LVL is available in the Northeast?
Why are the concrete pads for the posts so big?
They sized square, but I ordered round sono tubes to make it easier to set and pour/place concrete. That means they have to be oversized so the square fits inside the round. Since we have to pay a short load fee on the concrete anyway, it was worth the extra concrete.
One of my neighbors was required by the city to have large pads like those pads. Plus, there was a 40 inch frost line, so a lot of concrete in each post. The fewer posts a deck has, the more weight each post can potentially support once the deck is filled with people. Then, the soil type in the area comes into the picture.
Do we roll the tape like zip tape?
yes. get that stuff to adhere
I suggest yes, but a rep for GTape told me it doesn't have to be. I am unable to verify either way on GTapes website. It is listed as a "pressure sensitive" tape, but no specification if more than hand pressure is needed. I suggest rolling it because there's no downside to rolling.
www.gtapesusa.com/product-page/3040bk-black-g-tape-4
Tim, what’s going in place in the future to hide the tops of those huge piers?
I have not seen a tripod style step ladder before. Who makes those?
Orchard ladder
Louisville louisvilleladder.com/ladders/step-ladders/louisville-ladder-8-foot-fiberglass-tripod-ladder-type-ia-300-pound-load-capacity-ft1508&id=ft1508
Werner www.wernerco.com/us/products/ladders/step-ladders/FTP6200Series/FTP6210
Comes in handy for Electricians and Plumbers to get under top plates by being able to put the one ladder leg into the opposite wall.
Just curious and NOT a criticism, but how tall are your posts. Here on the right cost we need to go to a 4x6 or 6x6 above 8 feet
My preference would have been 6x6 personally, but this is an engineered design.
great work! I appreciate the wise lessons shown here. What's the depth of the footings, and is there a standard customer load your team aims (builds to) for on the deck?
Depth on the piers 24" minimum. This is an engineered design so each deck we build might be different.
I really don't like seeing videos like this RIGHT before I'm about to build a deck.
I'm gonna feel guilty if I don't end up doing it this way....... 🤣
In the southeast, we have pt yellow pine and it's a waste of time and money. Over the yrs the treatment has changed along with the younger trees
Tim that stabila laser shoots a straight line , regardless if there’s a mark at the other end ?
If you're talking about the Layout station he showed, it will always produce perfect 90 degree lines (relative to the base) that you can find with the receiver.
The base would be where the 90 corner of the right triangle is, and then that receiver goes toward one of the short angles. Once the receiver locks on (so think the base and point are now aligned), you can move the receiver to find the other point of the triangle. There is a GREAT video on how it works on another UA-cam channel, Kyle of RR Buildings shows it pretty well.
The Stabilla Layout station is not cheap, but man is it faster and more precise than trying to pull tape lol.
What is the black stuff on top of the pwt?
It's shown in the video. It's Gtape
SDS connector screws for hangers. Better than nails.
3 to 4 times the cost...Hmm I'll check here in Canada..but delivery plays a factor..and here LVL are usually non stock.
Yes the framing timber can vary in width. Which is why we lay them out on a couple saw horses and go from widest down. We start at the house with the widest and work down..natural drainage..we might on a long deck need to rip a board or two to match another. Really not that big a deal.
Question..what with the huge overhang..just not cut off yet?
For the PICA Dry, are the colored leads Graphite or Wax? i have a different brand, similar pencil and the wax leads SUCK! If the PICA has red graphite, that would be an easy sell for me.
Hmm good question, the white is definitely softer and wears out more quickly.
Instead of hurricane plates could you have used the Simpson Strong-Drive® SDWC™ TRUSS Screw ?? I don’t like the look of hurricane plates on a deck.
The red SDWC Strong-Tie truss screws aren't to be used outside, they aren't coated for it. I worked with Strong-Tie at JLC LIVE 2 weeks ago and they are coming out with one coated for exterior use.
Why not positive placement nail gun for the joist brackets?
Also, if you'reG- taping in a stack, could be faster to just roll on a fluid applied product.
There isn't a gun on the market that shoots 3" PPN nails
It goes really fast taping the joists. I bet we could be done in half the time as a liquid applied. Not to mention the instructions call out and give examples of tape. They may, if asked, give permission to use a fluid applied, but then we've taken even more time checking. GTape has such a good track record.
Didn't mean using the gun to liquid flash. That would take longer. If you had a bucket of Prosco and you rolled it on it would be way faster than the tape, if permitted by MFG. @@AwesomeFramers
Can you get a lvl post?
Yes
I do not believe you can get treated LVL columns pwtewp.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Treated-LVL-User-Guide-Dry-Use.pdf
@@alltree78 what brand? pwtewp.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Treated-LVL-User-Guide-Dry-Use.pdf
From an old framer, the only thing this video didn’t solve is “Rack” of the deck. Most framers put the 1990’s 45 Degree brace from the beam to post. May I diferr, to the 2 x4 triangle under the deck in “rack”. Find center of deck, cut a 24 foot 2 x4 on a 45 degree, run from center on both sides in 45 degrees of the beam to wall plate to form a 8 meeter or so foot triangle.
Nail to every joist, I give the world “Rack” without the 1990’s 45 degree braces.
This is also a “2 for one “ grab, forming a strong-back grabbing all the joists to act as one.
Another plus....no planing of high spots or knots that telegraph through. I graded, crowned, inspected....did all the junk labor that could be skipped. I was cursing out the last deck frame....I will be looking at this product for the next deck for sure.
I'll be honest, it was pure pleasure to build this deck and an identical one next door. Plus, when you are on the deck, its much stiffer.
One life-of-structure super flat deck! TFS. My only caveat is the cost limits who can afford it. If they can, well worth it, IMO.
Anybody ever tell you that you look and sound uncannily like Matt Damon? 😄 anyway, love the videos, its so helpful to see the process in its entirety as I'm in the midst of laying out my own deck
Mostly I've been told I look and sound like Jason Bourne
@@AwesomeFramersoh shi$ ha ha
There's a video that tested the treated lumber and treating the cut ends. The guy waited like three years with the control, coated, and uncoated pieces in water, in soil, and ground level. The control (uncut) end was the best, ht the surprise was that the post cut coated pieces all performed the WORST in terms of rot resistance, even worse than the uncoated cut pieces.
My guess would be that the sealed ends tended to trap excess moisture rather than allow it to escape. The treatment doesn't make the wood water tight, just resistant to rot.
Wood fencing with 4x4 posts is even more frustrating.
Run a top string to square posts with +/- 1/16,setting all bows inline .
Drive by 6 months later and it looks like crap.😢
do you have many issues out of your fork lifts?
Nope. The VR90B we bought in 2003 and it had 3000 hours or so? Besides maintenance, we've had hydraulic seals replaced as they started leaking and we had something back in 2005 or so that was like a $1500 fix. Can't remember what it was.
The VR1056 has been a rockstar. Just maintenance and the bigger maintenance intervals. Same thing, some seals replaced.
Nope. The VR90B we bought in 2003 and it had 3000 hours or so? Besides maintenance, we've had hydraulic seals replaced as they started leaking and we had something back in 2005 or so that was like a $1500 fix. Can't remember what it was.
The VR1056 has been a rockstar. Just maintenance and the bigger maintenance intervals. Same thing, some seals replaced.
Hey nice video. Tell us how much more money it costs for the treated lvl compared to treated wood a Lin ft. You prolly get a better price but curious what the difference is. So someone can see if it’s worth it. Some homeowners can’t afford it.
How much is the cost difference compared to PT? I used PT KD doug fir for my deck, which was much better than hem fir 90% water wood. I still had to fight with it a bit, but better than HD garbage lumber. LVL looks promising, but if it's 3-4 times the cost that might be hard to justify.
LVL is like $40 PER FOOT in Canada.
1 foot of it is the cost of an entire 2x12x12. Lol
Here its about 3x/foot but after you build the deck you'll find it was about 20% higher due to labor saved.
@@AwesomeFramers
I guess that depends on which end of the money stick you are on. Since I built my own deck it would cost me quite a bit more. OTOH since my labor is free it wasn't a big deal to use the planer and 8' level to flatten the deck. I wish they would sell a LVL or glue lam product that was competitively priced with regular PT wood. It would be very popular.
So jealous. Wanted flat boards for mine but can’t get here. At least not several years ago.
Any one that uses ground contact only pressure treated wood (the one with the little slits in the sides) for above ground joists is nuts. They make another grade for outdoors which has a lighter brown color and no slits for above ground structures.
yep, still junk here
Why do you got 16inch footings and only using 4x4
I explained this farther down the comments 👍
I explained this farther down the comments 👍
I explained this farther down the comments 👍
I like to say, "we do it nice because we do it twice or thrice".
The deck won't be wavey with PT, if you grade your lumber. By grading the lumber, you can pitch your support beam lower where the joists are wider. Doing this is definitely worth the cost if you compare your extra labor to the LVL cost. Also why are your footings so massive?
Those piers are bigger than the Francis Scott Key Bridge.
Hahaha
too soon
But yes, they were spe'd at 30x30, but I used sono tubes because it was much easier to just get them delivered and place the concrete.
Lol
Hopefully they hold better than the bridge piers
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I prefer mechanical connections. It usually drives inspee tors crazy but i like that too...
You should combine your LVL beams with gluelam posts, then nothing will warp.
Thought about that but we didn't have the budget. We'll probably use this PWT treated LVL 3.5 x 11 7/8" for stair stringers and concrete treads.
I can't believe how large those piers are. The last deck I built, the city only wanted like 10" sonotubes.
Tail light warranty. When you see the tail lights go the warranty is up. LOL Ok, how does the acrylic tape do in the UV light? Why not just seal the top? Just asking for real. The product seems great. The only thing I might have done was make all my cuts on the ground. I hate cutting in the air. Just me. If the wall was way out then I would cut it in the air, but any chance I can cut on the ground, I will. Just me. I don't like the risk, or the awkward way of cutting in the air. Great deck!!!
I see that you pressed your flashing tape tight to the side of your joists. Do you think if you left the flaps on the side away from the wood, the water would drain away better?
I don't know and frankly don't think its worth worrying about. But what do I know? I almost want a tape that is 4.5" wide so I can fold it, but then I think maybe that's an eye sore?
If I lived out there, I'd work for you...just for the #Rational Builder Attitude!
Who does your structure designs? Do you do it yourself and pick the hardware or do you have someone do it for you?
Our structural engineer with recommendations from us
@@AwesomeFramers thank you
If you’re a pro definitely get a beam saw, if you’re building your own deck, just rotate posts.
Good point, I get tunnel vision and assume I'm talking to other framers. Framers aren't the only ones who watch this stuff though.
Yuh mean I canna do it with muh recip saw? Dangnabbit!
I like the WE made a mistake .
Right? I did try and correct it though to "I made the mistake" 🤣🤣🤣
Right? I did try and correct it though to "I made the mistake" 🤣🤣🤣
code in bc is 6x6 for posts.at least.
The LVL product looks great but the up front cost is an issue.
Hemlock and Douglas fir do not accept pressure treatment well. That is the reason that those materials are slitted to allow the treatment to penetrate better and deeper. Southern yellow pine accepts treatment much better than western species. The forest products people at Mississippi State tell me that we should not expect pressure treated lumber to last as long as stated by the manufacturers.
Legit made the same mistake a few weeks ago, good to see I'm not the only dummy 😂
We should start a support group 🤣🤣🤣
Love you show your mistake. But i sorta liked the reclining deck.
But who sponsored this video?
It was clearly stated throughout the video 🤔
tell your PT LVL company to make posts the same way too.
Can’t believe what a huge footer then use a 4x4 post?!?
Very different how we do things safety-wise. In EU/Western Europe you cannot build a seond story balcony/deck without erecting a complete scaffolding surrounding it.
I would love that
Holy smokes that was close on the window shewy
I am quite sure, the structural engineer did not call out a SDWS22500 for a 1/2" hole. That is a big NO NO. Bolt should be appropriate for the hole it is being used.
I am quite sure you are incorrect. Look up the hardware and notice the tables for loading. This is all @strongtie hardware fyi, you can find it in the Outdoor Accents collection.
Fuking awesome
Oh my your right your framing is great but you wrecked the deck! You face screwed the whole thing? There are hidden fasteners for a reason to make the deck look top notch…. That makes me sad that only part of your deck is top notch. Not trying to be negative but I have to call ya out on that. Like I said great framing job love that you didn’t toe nail into the g-tape.
5:26 wrinkle in tape. Ruined
"We gotta subtract 9 ½" hahaahah ive been there so many friggin times smh
lucky dog almost bought a window
That is a triple pane @InnotechWindowsDoors and would have cost me a pretty penny
Um. Dr decks has a patent on that level slide.
Actually, he doesn't. I had dinner with him last week 😁
@@AwesomeFramers LOL
24 years later they get phone calls for deck replacements, not gonna happen lol
I think your concrete piers are a bit small... lol
So if I need 20, then I can buy 1 a month, and I might get the deck built by 2027. Super nice but suuuuper expensive.
No life. Commenting as I watch. Dr Decks has solved that problem with aluminium.
Do you know what the cost is of the aluminum he's using? I had dinner with him last week and I know you don't know the cost. It hasn't been published yet. They are still working in getting distribution set up. So the reality is, you can't even get it yet.
@@AwesomeFramers Sorta kidding. I know the price isn't out yet. Are they going to ship it from New Zealand?
@@lrc87290 it definitely looks cool and Jason likes it. I'm not sure, but I thought there was supposed to be distribution east and west coasts. Don't think that's happened yet though.
I was going to say: Who do you think you are? Dr.Decks?
I'm definitely not Jason.