@@bwah9481 Have you ever actually tried using one? The reason a tracker will always be faster than a traditional DAW (even Ableton) is due to the massive amounts of editable data you're able to see on screen at any given time. The main screen in Renoise can present literally an entire song's worth of editable sequence data, spanning as many tracks as your monitor can fit. This allows you to make informed decisions about your composition without even having to open another window, or in many cases even touch the mouse. Because of this, you can get lighting fast with Renoise. This coupled with customised key commands makes for a ridiculously fast workflow.
@@NeuroNoNeuro yea I love how many of these tracker vids I'm getting recommended now. I can't wait to cough up the cash to buy Renoise, finally I can escape from FL Studio. I like the workflow a lot and the unique sounds you can get. For now I'm just stuck with MilkyTracker and SunVox
It's nice to see someone else uses short pattern lengths like I do -- interesting what you're doing there, with them being multiples of 5s. Nice stuff!
Thank you! I don’t use Renoise any longer, switched to Ableton. Now I’m exporting 25-count patterns to my SP404, so I can loop them and make them even more “off”. Check out my claymation videos.
@@fozzov6178 There's a ton of this stuff over at my albums on Audiobulb: ab-nnn.bandcamp.com/music and at Mille Plateaux / Force Inc.: forceincmilleplateaux.bandcamp.com/album/compartments I've made a switch to Ableton Live and am able to really pull out a lot more audio material in that DAW - still love Renoise, but need more synthesis options.
Thanks! There’s a file to edit in the Renoise application folder- I think instructions are on the forum. They’re called Renoise Themes. Lots of them available for download on the forum!
Absolutely! Renoise is a fantastic tracker. Along with another comment here, to make music like this, one would need to absolutely avoid making 4/4, boom-boom music. No more techno, no more house, etc. Stop all dancing. Use other time signatures and create patterns that don't make marching band/dance hall music. Renoise can divide the rhythm into any way one would like. The hardest part is to start working at different tempi, and divide the beat into unorthodox patterns. It soon becomes second-nature and lots of fun!
That is a question I have no answer to, other than to recommend the Renoise forum: forum.renoise.com/. They have most of the answers to any particular question about the application. Before starting on a song, I'd learn how to make a single pattern, and keep practicing on that until each particular editable feature becomes second nature. Renoise is not like a piano-roll DAW. In fact, I purchased it in 2017, didn't use it until a year later in 2018. Then, I became obsessed with it - each and every feature. Figure out exactly what you want to make, then see if you can make one pattern that sounds similar. I'd also recommend not using any VST plugins, just samples. Learn how to manipulate samples only, and see if you can do everything that way. It'll use far less CPU, and you'll be rewarded with sound designs that wouldn't be apparent in any other fashion.
Work with tiny snippets of samples, like 10 samples long. Draw them. Use high-pass filters, really accentuate velocity levels. Use odd-count patterns (not just odd-time). Offset the samples time. Lots of stuff like that will help. Don’t use VST plugins, use only Renoise’s internal Tools and Tools built for Renoise. See what you can do with less.
I’ve used tons of DAWs, I prefer this one. It’s a different way of working - a tracker interface with effects. I can’t say it’s any better than any other DAW, but it’s better for me.
@@quadpad_music Oh well :D I suppose if they really really want it, it's been renamed/reworked and is out there: neurononeuro.bandcamp.com/album/kawaii-ep
Renoise's roots are from NoiseTrekker, but I do believe it has been around since 2002. Pretty interesting tracking software! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renoise
Probably not, as I'm working on this as a track for a new album :) I'll say, check out the Almost Drums and Harmoniks Tools for sound, and use a microphone and filters to get other sounds!
@@NeuroNoNeuroOk but even if it's for an album, you could still speak on the song and how it was made? Track breakdowns aren't uncommon and in fact usually bring in fledgling artists who want to learn more about what you're doing / bring in an audience. I'm sure it wasn't your intent but the response above seems incredibly gatekeep-y
especially considering it's not hard to go "hey this is renoise for Mac, it functions like a tracker for the most part, so if you're interested, search up tracker music tutorial, or if you're just interested in learning of their history, Ahoy made a great video on it".
@@zero111zero Thank you, but no. I've got no time for that. There's plenty of Renoise tutorials all over UA-cam and on the Renoise forum. Check 'em out! :)
I had used Propellerhead's Reason for 17 years, and tried without success to attain the sound of Max/MSP or PureData music pieces - Reason just couldn't do it. Not being one to desire actual programming to make music, and also not wanting to make generative musical pieces, I found that Renoise could provide the clean sound I was looking for, and allowed for very precise sequencing. On top of that, I can create music in whatever time-signature I desire, whatever pattern length, with sounds that I can make internally with the software, or use samples (all synthesized by hand using a variety of apps). Getting my head around the sequencer took time, but now it makes using a piano-roll feel like wading through water, slowly. Renoise also has several folks designing "Tools" with Lua to do a variety of tasks - from sound-synthesis and chords to envelopes; all kinds'a neat stuff. It's a really inexpensive sequencer for making most styles of music - just takes a while to un-learn previous sequencing techniques.
@@NeuroNoNeuro I heard that there is now a VST wrapper for Pure Data patches, so best of both worlds! Maybe demo Bitwig as well. I heard that people like you will love the Grid!
Yep, have used the PureData VST wrapper, and I also own Bitwig - used Bitwig when it came out and just purchased the updated version of Bitwig in October. I don't enjoy them, unfortunately. It's not my preferred way of working - I have a few rules I chose to use when deciding on Renoise: 1. No generative music techniques - I won't have the program making music for me (musically or in a modular fashion). The only generative technique(s) I will use are random LFO patterns adjusting the pitch/timbre/volume and at extremely low values, or randomized FX values - usually just enough to offer slight variation. I've got two hands and the capacity to do this on my own, and I can count on the music staying the same from take to take. 2. No plugins that aren't made to be used native/internally with Renoise - no VST/AU/LV2. If synths/FX can't be done in Renoise (or designed externally), then it just doesn't get used in my productions. These limitations have been working pretty well for me. There's plenty of 'Tools' for Renoise, and they can make endless beautiful sounds. 3. No samples of other folks' musical pieces (unless a remix is requested). That's my own rule. If I can synthesize the sounds I want (which I can - it's been my passion since '95), then I'll just make it myself - that's fun for me! This is where I'll use external applications to create sound(s) if Renoise cannot - Reaper, Cecilia5, TTS, various VST/AU plugins hosted in standalone apps, audio editors, online synthesizers for speech/percussion/tones, etc. All to create material to use. In the meantime, there are functions that many of us in the Renoise camp request nearly daily on the forum, and hope will eventually be implemented. For instance, I hope that we'll have native granular capabilities (since Renoise is sampler-based), as well as native FM/PM functionality for either the sampled waveforms within the sampler, or as a built-in synthesizer. I mean, native FM/PM that can be modulated, not just to create single-cycle waveforms. Other esoteric functionality could be the capability of varying pattern lengths/tempi per track, per channel (not using Phrases). There are many other suggestions as well - lots of neat functions that would help Renoise grow. Renoise is kept up-to-date and is quite functional as it stands. It does much more for me than the other tracker applications out there. If one cannot make music in this application, then it's not for them. Bitwig, Logic, Reason, StudioOne, Max/MSP or PureData, or some other DAW - there's TONS of them - is a possible answer. Renoise works best for me; the clean sound of Max/MSP or PureData, and an understandable method of composition without having to use a piano-roll. Since 2019 I've put out so much material with Renoise under the moniker "Neuro... No Neuro" (solo, or on Audiobulb Records, a new release coming soon on Mille Plateaux), I don't need much else. Even for mastering in Reaper, I use very few plugins - two currently. Just enough to get the finished sound 'polished' and louder.
i have no idea whats going on but this is cool af
seeing a renoise user in my recommendeds out of nowhere is so nice ♥
Happy to oblige!
right! some of these people are insane too
Huh?
hell yeah
Thanks!
This is what I imagine pro tools looks like
Fortunately, it is Renoise - looks difficult, but is an extremely fast way to compose all sorts of music!
@@NeuroNoNeuro i really don't see how a tracker can ever be faster than ableton
@@bwah9481it’s just a different workflow
@@bwah9481 Have you ever actually tried using one? The reason a tracker will always be faster than a traditional DAW (even Ableton) is due to the massive amounts of editable data you're able to see on screen at any given time. The main screen in Renoise can present literally an entire song's worth of editable sequence data, spanning as many tracks as your monitor can fit. This allows you to make informed decisions about your composition without even having to open another window, or in many cases even touch the mouse. Because of this, you can get lighting fast with Renoise. This coupled with customised key commands makes for a ridiculously fast workflow.
@@NeuroNoNeuro yea I love how many of these tracker vids I'm getting recommended now. I can't wait to cough up the cash to buy Renoise, finally I can escape from FL Studio. I like the workflow a lot and the unique sounds you can get. For now I'm just stuck with MilkyTracker and SunVox
It's nice to see someone else uses short pattern lengths like I do -- interesting what you're doing there, with them being multiples of 5s. Nice stuff!
Thank you! I don’t use Renoise any longer, switched to Ableton. Now I’m exporting 25-count patterns to my SP404, so I can loop them and make them even more “off”. Check out my claymation videos.
I have no idea how this turned up on my feed, but i'm glad it did
sickkkk
Thanks!
How cool
this is awesome
Thank you very much!
Nice microtonal chill vibes. Good work!!
Thank you!
thats so cool
this is actually so cool and amazing
Thank you!
Holy shit this is awesome, I have to look into Renoise!
Ik this is a year old but this is a vibe ngl
Glad 'ya dig it!
I’m bopping upside left down?
ilkae pistachio island vibes!! Nice
bro this is so sick
like wtf
Takes practice- I don’t use generative software, so I have to do my best to imitate it 🙂
pretty cool
Thanks!
The rare good looking light theme
This the prettiest renoise theme I've ever seen
Thanks!
oh new tracker
Actually been around since 2002 - it’s Renoise 🙂 we can make our own themes, so it can look pretty different sometimes.
@@NeuroNoNeuro A
nice tracker maannn
Thanks!
cool
Thank you!
i love the small texture details@@NeuroNoNeuro
@@fozzov6178 There's a ton of this stuff over at my albums on Audiobulb: ab-nnn.bandcamp.com/music and at Mille Plateaux / Force Inc.: forceincmilleplateaux.bandcamp.com/album/compartments
I've made a switch to Ableton Live and am able to really pull out a lot more audio material in that DAW - still love Renoise, but need more synthesis options.
I have never seen someone a renoise white renoise skin loll
Guess you'll see new things all the time!
@@NeuroNoNeuro yee man B) I'm just happy to see other people using renoise too
This reminds me of Ilkae's music, it sounds really cool.
Never heard of them, but thanks! Happy you enjoyed it!
exactly
hello fellow renoise user
this sounds fucking awesome
Thank you! Most of the music here is made in Renoise - it's an incredible sequencer, can do a lot!
verry goood
Thank you :)
How do you make your renoise look like this? It looks so good :)
Thanks! There’s a file to edit in the Renoise application folder- I think instructions are on the forum. They’re called Renoise Themes. Lots of them available for download on the forum!
@@NeuroNoNeuro Whats yours called? Or did you make it?
Nevermind, I found your post on the forums :)
I'm assuming its the Kawaii Pico-8 Cream&Purple you used in this video.
@wind9765 I think so, possibly modified it a bit more, but overall, yeah 🙂
ilkae vibes ❤
Happy you're enjoying it - check out my latest album on Mille Plateaux! forceincmilleplateaux.bandcamp.com/album/positive
waw
Thanks!
isn't that renoise software?
i heard about it but never tried it out? how did u establish such a rytmic sequence? sounds pretty good!
Absolutely! Renoise is a fantastic tracker. Along with another comment here, to make music like this, one would need to absolutely avoid making 4/4, boom-boom music. No more techno, no more house, etc. Stop all dancing. Use other time signatures and create patterns that don't make marching band/dance hall music. Renoise can divide the rhythm into any way one would like.
The hardest part is to start working at different tempi, and divide the beat into unorthodox patterns. It soon becomes second-nature and lots of fun!
@@NeuroNoNeuro i see, but where would a beginner start and what to take on in terms of lessons and so on?
That is a question I have no answer to, other than to recommend the Renoise forum: forum.renoise.com/. They have most of the answers to any particular question about the application.
Before starting on a song, I'd learn how to make a single pattern, and keep practicing on that until each particular editable feature becomes second nature. Renoise is not like a piano-roll DAW. In fact, I purchased it in 2017, didn't use it until a year later in 2018. Then, I became obsessed with it - each and every feature.
Figure out exactly what you want to make, then see if you can make one pattern that sounds similar.
I'd also recommend not using any VST plugins, just samples. Learn how to manipulate samples only, and see if you can do everything that way. It'll use far less CPU, and you'll be rewarded with sound designs that wouldn't be apparent in any other fashion.
@@NeuroNoNeuro will give it a go from there and see what happens. thanks a lot i appreciate it.
How did you get this level of microtonality??? I have been searching for a way to do it with my music all the time.
Work with tiny snippets of samples, like 10 samples long. Draw them. Use high-pass filters, really accentuate velocity levels. Use odd-count patterns (not just odd-time). Offset the samples time. Lots of stuff like that will help. Don’t use VST plugins, use only Renoise’s internal Tools and Tools built for Renoise. See what you can do with less.
ive never heard of renoise, have u used other daws n how good do u consider this to be?
I’ve used tons of DAWs, I prefer this one. It’s a different way of working - a tracker interface with effects. I can’t say it’s any better than any other DAW, but it’s better for me.
did this ever get finished?
Not sure was a while ago. I’ve moved on to new pastures and album releases 🙂
Where can we get it? sounds amazing
www.renoise.com/
@@NeuroNoNeuro thank you!
@@NeuroNoNeuro I think he was asking for the song lol.
@@quadpad_music Oh well :D I suppose if they really really want it, it's been renamed/reworked and is out there: neurononeuro.bandcamp.com/album/kawaii-ep
they done remade fasttracker
Renoise's roots are from NoiseTrekker, but I do believe it has been around since 2002. Pretty interesting tracking software! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renoise
People who don't get it dw, even I don't
Dude amazing! Could you maybe make a tutorial on how you did this?
Probably not, as I'm working on this as a track for a new album :) I'll say, check out the Almost Drums and Harmoniks Tools for sound, and use a microphone and filters to get other sounds!
@@NeuroNoNeuroOk but even if it's for an album, you could still speak on the song and how it was made? Track breakdowns aren't uncommon and in fact usually bring in fledgling artists who want to learn more about what you're doing / bring in an audience. I'm sure it wasn't your intent but the response above seems incredibly gatekeep-y
especially considering it's not hard to go "hey this is renoise for Mac, it functions like a tracker for the most part, so if you're interested, search up tracker music tutorial, or if you're just interested in learning of their history, Ahoy made a great video on it".
You’re entitled to your opinion. Please enjoy the music 🙂
Have you used only standard plugins? I wonder if Renoise self-sufficient DAW
Yep, only standard Tools, no VST, but I did create/synthesize some of the samples outside of Renoise. No usage of other people’s work.
@@NeuroNoNeuro thanks for reply!
howe
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how do you make music like this in a tracker of all things?
By obsessively avoiding the creation of 4/4, boom-boom music!
Trackers are quite easy when you get used to them
@@NeuroNoNeurocan u do some sort of tutorial
@@zero111zero Thank you, but no. I've got no time for that. There's plenty of Renoise tutorials all over UA-cam and on the Renoise forum. Check 'em out! :)
@@NeuroNoNeuro Yep i looked further thanks haha
I have never seen this software in my life? Is a DAW I’m assuming?
Yep, this DAW is called ‘Renoise’!
@@NeuroNoNeuro interesting. What made you choose it?
I had used Propellerhead's Reason for 17 years, and tried without success to attain the sound of Max/MSP or PureData music pieces - Reason just couldn't do it. Not being one to desire actual programming to make music, and also not wanting to make generative musical pieces, I found that Renoise could provide the clean sound I was looking for, and allowed for very precise sequencing.
On top of that, I can create music in whatever time-signature I desire, whatever pattern length, with sounds that I can make internally with the software, or use samples (all synthesized by hand using a variety of apps). Getting my head around the sequencer took time, but now it makes using a piano-roll feel like wading through water, slowly.
Renoise also has several folks designing "Tools" with Lua to do a variety of tasks - from sound-synthesis and chords to envelopes; all kinds'a neat stuff. It's a really inexpensive sequencer for making most styles of music - just takes a while to un-learn previous sequencing techniques.
@@NeuroNoNeuro I heard that there is now a VST wrapper for Pure Data patches, so best of both worlds! Maybe demo Bitwig as well. I heard that people like you will love the Grid!
Yep, have used the PureData VST wrapper, and I also own Bitwig - used Bitwig when it came out and just purchased the updated version of Bitwig in October. I don't enjoy them, unfortunately. It's not my preferred way of working - I have a few rules I chose to use when deciding on Renoise:
1. No generative music techniques - I won't have the program making music for me (musically or in a modular fashion). The only generative technique(s) I will use are random LFO patterns adjusting the pitch/timbre/volume and at extremely low values, or randomized FX values - usually just enough to offer slight variation. I've got two hands and the capacity to do this on my own, and I can count on the music staying the same from take to take.
2. No plugins that aren't made to be used native/internally with Renoise - no VST/AU/LV2. If synths/FX can't be done in Renoise (or designed externally), then it just doesn't get used in my productions. These limitations have been working pretty well for me. There's plenty of 'Tools' for Renoise, and they can make endless beautiful sounds.
3. No samples of other folks' musical pieces (unless a remix is requested). That's my own rule. If I can synthesize the sounds I want (which I can - it's been my passion since '95), then I'll just make it myself - that's fun for me! This is where I'll use external applications to create sound(s) if Renoise cannot - Reaper, Cecilia5, TTS, various VST/AU plugins hosted in standalone apps, audio editors, online synthesizers for speech/percussion/tones, etc. All to create material to use.
In the meantime, there are functions that many of us in the Renoise camp request nearly daily on the forum, and hope will eventually be implemented. For instance, I hope that we'll have native granular capabilities (since Renoise is sampler-based), as well as native FM/PM functionality for either the sampled waveforms within the sampler, or as a built-in synthesizer. I mean, native FM/PM that can be modulated, not just to create single-cycle waveforms. Other esoteric functionality could be the capability of varying pattern lengths/tempi per track, per channel (not using Phrases). There are many other suggestions as well - lots of neat functions that would help Renoise grow.
Renoise is kept up-to-date and is quite functional as it stands. It does much more for me than the other tracker applications out there. If one cannot make music in this application, then it's not for them. Bitwig, Logic, Reason, StudioOne, Max/MSP or PureData, or some other DAW - there's TONS of them - is a possible answer. Renoise works best for me; the clean sound of Max/MSP or PureData, and an understandable method of composition without having to use a piano-roll.
Since 2019 I've put out so much material with Renoise under the moniker "Neuro... No Neuro" (solo, or on Audiobulb Records, a new release coming soon on Mille Plateaux), I don't need much else. Even for mastering in Reaper, I use very few plugins - two currently. Just enough to get the finished sound 'polished' and louder.
You had to take a video of a 19 second jam? Lmao what happened to music bro... its all content creators first and music makers second.
neurononeuro.bandcamp.com/album/kawaii-ep?t=1