Smartphone Addiction and Gen Alpha | Jonathan Haidt, Social Psychologist
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Professor Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and author. He is a Professor of Ethical Leadership at the New York University Stern School of Business. He authored The Happiness Hypothesis, The Righteous Mind, The Coddling of the American Mind, and recently published The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness.
00:00 - 5:05 Jonathan explains the latest findings on mental health and digital social media
05:06 - 6:40 The Phone-Based Childhood
6:41 - 9:45 Social Networking vs Performative Platforms
9:46 - 13:12 “But if I don’t use social media, I will be cut off from my friends”
13:13 - 16:13 The greatest public health threat to children.
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I’m an educator and “TikTok” brain is real. I’ve observed a steep decline in critical reasoning and problem solving that correlates with rise in social media addiction.
I so wish TikTok would be banned.
I have 5 kids and none of them are allowed on social media for this reason. We homeschool and during the week all entertainment on electronics must be educational (actually educational not games dressed up as learning) It doesn’t have to be boring but if they’re not learning anything it’s gone. I’m curious how my kids will compare to their peers once they hit 18
Its like programing your brain arraising prior education out of your brain. Now I deleted all of these social media algorithm programing brain and emotion manipulation and now reeducating myself. Never opening these social media ever again.
@Magdalena287 speaking as one who did the same and now have a 21 yr old healthy adult with zero drug and alcohol use the difference is massive. Not only in reasoning and logic but in base education. The difference is about 8 years of learning. My daughter attended one semester of public school in 9th grade (due to a geographical move). The things they taught in this 9th grade ap (gifted and talented) class were things she learned in 3rd and 4th grade with me. Her peers struggled even at this level. To go even further- before my grandfather passed he showed me one of his old school novel books that had a book report folded in the pages. The book and subsequent paper was for Moby Dick. He read and wrote this when he was in FIRST grade. FIRST! The decline is real. Tho the degree to which it has declined in recent years is palpable. These kids reach high school and can't even write or read! They read on a kindergarten level. And no one calls them out. What you are doing with your kids is very worth it. Very very worth it. Include lessons on logic and problem solving because when they do enter the higher learning atmosphere they will encounter peers that will try to overwhelm and corrupt. They have to know how to think so they can fight this off. Cheers to you! I'm happy to hear of your journey
We tried a phone with my daughter at 11 last year. It was more for safety as she was taking the bus. She was so miserable waiting for responses from her classmates in group chats and messaging. We took it away. After a few months. She is so much happier. She doesn’t even ask for the phone. Her principal says it’s a really big issue in the 10 - 13 year old girls with mental health, anxiety, bullying with social exclusion.
Please never let her download snapchat, instagram, facebook or tiktok.
😮 You said she took the bus home, isn’t that dangerous?
Really pleased Jonathan Haidt is speaking at this event. His work is outstanding.
I've worked with teens for the last 20 years and I've observed a stark change but more scary are the parents who don't take this threat seriously and have become digital junkies just like their kids. I've struggled to get them to take purposeful action even though they do know their kids have problems.
Thats because the parents are digital junkies themselves
As an older member of gen Z, I think the subject of "paranoid parenting" is very important to understanding my cohort. As early as kindergarten we were shown videos which implied that any stranger who asked for directions, knocked on the door, or called the house phone was probably trying to abduct us. I think that being deprived of those random interactions with adults made us less trusting of religion, family, and society in general. Add social media platforms, online gaming and internet porn to the mix, and you've got the ingredients for a mental health pandemic.
I'm a millennial and we were shown those videos too.
I had real anxiety of talking to anyone older than me until my 40s
Yes -we have made children fear adults and adults are afraid of children!
I am 50 years old. I can assure you that being told no to talk to strangers as a child is not a new social development, it’s old common sense.
It's about time PARENTS, schools, and government all got on board with this truth, and stopped committing crimes against children. We don't leave cigarettes or liquor out for them, this is NO different.
It's addiction, and it is dangerous!
You lost me at government…
Time and time again, history shows, whenever government get involved, they fuck everything up.
The only reason we don't leave cigarettes and liquor out for the kids is that most cigarette and liquor money goes to conservative political donors.
We are happy to chemically castrate your kids though, just try not to think about how we already concluded that it was too cruel and inhumane to do to pedophiles and rapists.
See how progressive we are?
What about the parents own addiction being a factor?
We all have smart phones and are silently modelling phone addiction. Kids literally see it everywhere. 😕
real issue...neglected children
Forget the mental health, the data, scientific this and that evaluations. EVERYONE KNOWS deep down this is All CAUSED by the use of the handheld computer/internet/social media. Silicon valley, Zuckerberg, etc. are KNOWINGLY addicting people to social "systems" that they OWN and make money off of. This is potentially worse than the Third Reich as this is just another socio-economic power play scheme except that in THIS case the sheeple are plugging in & killing themselves. During the Third Reich, soldiers had at least to physically coral the condemned into labor/concentration camps - that is, it took a great deal more PHYSICAL effort than 3 weeks of programming - but THIS is INTENTIONALLY manipulating the psyche of millions.... of children...not for their improvement but for the PROFIT of the systems' owners. It's just as if they're enticing the condemned to VOLUNTARILY walk into their own death camp. It's pure Vampirism... False ingenuine culture disguising the intentional culling.
Ever heard the saying "gotta get 'em while they're young."?
The educators are even worse. My wife is a educator...they act like high school kids with thier phones "networking"
Correct! Addicted adults. Learn to leave the phone at home if not needed.
I have four kids, ages 10, 13, 16, 19. My wife and I do not and did not allow a phone until graduation from high school (our oldest is the only one with a phone). Ask anyone from our social sphere and they will tell you our kids are exponentially happier than their peers. It has also helped with their independence as they cannot call mom or dad whenever they want to solve their problems.
Do you keep them away from newspapers and libraries, too? 😢😢
@@richardscathousedo you realize yourself how shortsighted your question is?
@@richardscathousewhat a silly response.
@@mikecollins9789That response is way worse than silly.
Aaah... Die hard humans! 😊 A relief to hear you're still out there. Thank you. Bless you.
"The great rewiring of childhood." Nailed it.
This is the single most important issue discussed at the convention. Parents (left & right, Jordan) hand their kids the equivalent of heroin when they’re 8 years old and are then shocked that they’re distracted junkies by 18.
After having been normalized for a decade it won’t be easy to reverse but something has to be done.
8 ? I wish. I've seen so many toddlers glued to that heroin screen. 😖
Jonathan Haidt is brilliant. Younger parents especially need to watch this. It's easier to delay and keep kids off smartphones, than to take it away (after the addiction sets in).
Our (my wife and I) daughter is 13. She doesn't have a phone yet. We intend to get her a flip phone in high school, but not a smartphone. I have had so many parents tell me variations of "I wish I wouldn't have gotten our kid a phone when we did" or "Keep them away from phones as long as you can" when finding out that our daughter doesn't have one. And them I'm thinking "....you realize that you are a parent, with the household authority to give or not-give a phone to your kid, right??" but, it seems so many parents are almost afraid of what will happen if their kid doesn't have one. Even though they actively wish they didn't have one. It's so weird/dumb.
@@adamrad2220 I completely get it. Many parents today seem almost afraid to parent. What they need to realise, is that once you give your kid a smartphone, the internet becomes their new parent. What they can get access to is crazy, and they are too young and naive to be able to spot the predators.
In New South Wales, in Australia, where I live, they've now band mobile phones in all public high schools 🙌 They just need to now ban them in all schools.
As an audio engineer, every video from arc is on the verge of feedback and it drives me crazy. Who is letting this ringing continue!!
So glad he mentioned video gaming, as many who discuss the downsides of internet and social media don’t even mention it. Excessive gaming since adolescence has ruined my stepson’s social life and his therapist believes his anxiety is due in large part to it as well.
You should check out Dr K - he's a psychiatrist who is occupying that niche in addressing video game addiction. He runs a UA-cam channel geared towards adolescents/young adults (especially gamers) to learn how to deal with life's various problems, and he shares interesting perspectives on video game addiction.
...that's a symptom of something, not the cause.
@@JustSomeGuy69420 Excessive video gaming might indeed be the outlet to his anxiety, instead of, for example, drugs.
With time maybe he finds it robbed his time
But from what?
Well thats what you spend this extra time figuring out.
I played the same game for 20 years
Havent for like a year probably
A pretty crappy game really
Could say it took a lot from me
Instead of being the barnacle on some ship getting a meal i wasnt in the race enough.
Notions at odds with kinda being glad i didnt end up some kinda elon musk type destroying the world while being hailed a hero because everyones a stupid arta-amesha osirus-iah hathor worshiper....
I call it building death stars.
Some people say dont explain it as evil when explaining it as stupidity will suffice...
But thats just evil.
We have reached peak suicide
Dung beetles have more honor than humanity...
Thoughts like that lead to the fixes and money.....
So i shoed and raised trained bought and sold horses and stuff
Like a sort of farm or ranch thing.
Nimble though and kinda like integrated because we were working on a good papered bloodline while at the same time bringing in stuff from the salebarn to upsell to riding lessons customers along with the shoeing.
Ended up sort of like redistributing wealth if they got the truck and trailer and land
(In the case it was coming down from a higher asset class, if not then we was making the help to pull it down by having that world or lifestyle as an attraction.
Fill in the ranks of that particular mimetic model army i guess..)
But i played that video game when i could and chose it over other crap that probably would have made me more allies.
Probably lost a girl i never should have been with anyway messing around with the damn computer crap.
Im thinking i should have just went 120% computer way but with no games sometimes.
Other times im glad i wasnt getting lost in those funky kicks in the city with everyone flocking to get branded and bought or managed as talent in the hunger games turned communistic star trek federation
Haidt is one of the most important figures in this space.
100%
My teenage daughter recently became Christian. I asked her if she’s felt a change in herself. She said she feels less lonely, feeling that no matter what, God is with her. She prays before tests and finds it decreases her anxiety which helps her relax and think better.
Get a grip
God Bless her and watch over. 🕊🙏🏼
God bless the girl.
That is great news.
One of the ways Jesus sets us free is that we can give up some frivolous and worldly pursuits that keep people in cycles of envy.
It's sounds nice to have a (socially acceptable) invisible friend. I just can't make myself believe something made up like that.
Absolutely. A child's mind is not ready for it. Even a teenager's mind is not ready for it. Until you graduate high school, no smart devices.
Totally agree..and so did my grown children!!!
Parents collude with their teens who beg for smart phones. Kids rule the roost.
They bloody better get ready. This is the world now. Like we used to teach our kids to be afraid of strange adults and dogs 😮
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Last year I wrote a book “Smartphones Don’t Give Hugs- A Guide out of Loneliness “. While I know Dr Haidt has all the statistics of the pathology resulting from smartphones use , I contend that it goes back to our primal need for in person human contact.
Loneliness is a light on an emotional fuel gauge and our challenge is to do the things to keep the needle as far to the right as possible.
I like all of his suggestions. But wouldn’t it be great to subject all social technology to the same scrutiny we place when introducing any new medication. After all, smartphones are soma. Thanks
You can believe him, you can disbelieve him, but the evidence is what it is. The kids who grew up before cell phones spent more time outdoors, were less prone to obesity, had far fewer instances of mental instability, had a generally positive outlook on life, etc. It wasn't perfect, but nothing involving humans is.
I started a petition in New Zealand to ban cellphones in schools last year. It didn't get many signatures. No one understands the extent of the problem.
Update - NZ has now - 2024 - officially banned cellphone use in schools. Excellent! There are two issues. One is the effect on learning, which is most often cited. But a typical teacher can make the kids keep their phone in their bag. The real issue is the mental issues arising from cellphones - dependence and total addiction / lack of connection with others and the world around them, and so on. I tell the kids - some have 18 hours screen time daily - that their entire life has been created in Silicon Valley or Hollywood. The sports fields are 100% empty at break times. Let's see if that changes now.
Jonathan Haidt sharing his insights is always worth listening to. Great to see him at the ARC event.
Was on a bus the other days, a mother was pushing an iphone to a toddler, he didn't know what to do but swiping was a new skill he was learning. There will be a price to pay for that.
I've been saying this for years..... Anyone who hands or BUYS a cell phone for their own child NEEDS TO hear this!!!!
High school is way too young. Our eldest is about to start high school in January (southern hemisphere), and will be 11 about to turn 12. The thought of giving him a smart phone is horrifying. I love my kids way too much to do that. Not a chance in the world they'll be getting a smart phone till they've finished school and earn the money to pay for it. Also no unsupervised internet access via other channels either. Gaming time is cherished by them but limited. They get about a half an hour each day, generally only after outdoor activities, homework and chores are done. They watch zero TV, as do we their parents. Nobody in our family has the slightest interest in watching TV.
Excellent insight from Jonathan Haidt 👌🏼 And kudos to the interviewer who posed such nuanced and interesting questions!
For those in the UK Jonathan speaks at 13:06 of the " Stranger Danger" education which in my opinion caused some odd behaviour in children. Even smiling at a child caused some to cringe in fear.
Fantastic info. Confirming what my motherly intuition has suspected!! Thank you to ARC for posting 👍
Mine also!!🙏🏻🙏🏻💜💜
@@Silentrainfallzsame here and I know it is true.Just know it So I am so glad courageous and smart scientists And public figures bring up t he topic and talk about it.
Honestly being born in 1996, a lot of people say I’m not a part of this generation but everything Jonathan talked about here was exactly my experience
Yup, get kids off cell phones and most social media until they are mature enough. Force them to go outside and experience the real world with real friends.
Kids absolutely shouldn’t be on smart phones and social media, that said, this is a parental problem, it cannot and should not be solved by govt. So the question is, why are parents allowing this? Is there a lack of awareness? Is it laziness or convenience? Whatever the case is, we’ve gotta get parents to adopt a mindset of not letting their kids have access anymore. It’s not necessary for kids.
Parents are scared of conflict and the effort it takes to set boundaries
It’s great to see Haidt here, a truly impressive group of people have come together for this ARC enterprise. I believe this message from Haidt is of incomparable and often disregarded importance. But my question to him, and everyone for that matter due to its relevance, is how exactly do we plan to do this? I think it’s obvious to most, just as Haidt says, that children living a smartphone based childhood is bad and also I think most know exactly what he means by this. But again, how EXACTLY do we make strides forward when clearly kids need to be off phones for such swaths of their childhood, but on a practical level it seems nearly impossible to actually make change. What is each individual to do with their own kids on a practical level so this issue can actually begin to be fixed? Of course once half the kids are off phones it’s easy, but how do we begin to get there? Just something I believe more should think about, especially the adults who are responsible for these kids, what do we actually need to do?
Parents need to engage with school boards and the government. We already have policies to prevent alcohol and cigarette abuse- it's not rocket science.
It’s the old adage: when the adults change, the culture changes. It has to start with us parents. Don’t model to your children that being on a phone is the way to live. Show them the better story! I’m a head of year at a secondary school (which had banned phones in school from the get-go!) and it’s a huge battle. But one we have to take on not simply for the sake of Gen Z, but also for their children too.
Put pay phones back in schools. Make sure parents know the hours for extra corriculars so they can pick up their kids. Mke internet access be something granted alongside social security numbers and the right to vote.
He actually goes into how in some of his longer talks and books
“You cannot grow up in networks you have to grow up in communities”.
Trash, I had no community. Here I am
Here's two problems with many parents in the US at least when it comes to phones. One is an observation from a Pre-K teacher I know and the other is from many headlines from local school districts
1. Many parents are using phones and other electronic devices as babysitters. When kids get to Pre-K (roughly age 3-4) their gross motor skills overall are in the garbage, but they can pinch a screen without a problem. Much of the teaching then is how to learn gross motor skills and how to operate without a device.
2. There have been many examples where a school or school district wanted to forbid phones from being at school that the parents through a fit. How would I contact my little Johnny/Jennifer if they can't have their phone? Parents like this had issues even with leaving the phones in lockers. Why as a parent would you want to interrupt your child's education? What could be so important that you need to immediately be able to contact them? You know where there are and you know what time school lets out.
I think the parents of the left are the worst as they see the electronics as an "educational tool" and more time in front of a device is bettering the child's education. I think many conservative parents are doing what conservatives do.....seeing the impact of "new" and sticking with the tried and true.
Schools were requiring students to have ipads, and email, 12yrs ago. Parents who did not want them or could not afford them, were ostracized and held back. School boards made deals to trade children's data in exchange for being supplied with handheld devices and "smart" learning curriculum designed by tech giants. Meanwhile the children of silicon Valley tech guys send their children to schools which have no screens.
Many parents want their kids to be able to call them if there is a shooting lockdown - or any other emergency. Of course, the kids could use a flip-phone for such emergencies.
@@pamelaroyce5285 Some how kids went through tornadoes, fires, and many other things without phones, but they need them now.
What exactly is a parent going to if their child calls them anyway. Rush over in a storm, run into a burning building, or rush a building with a shooter inside or the area?
Doesn't help that schools are also relying on kids having devices for class work
I work in a school and hear all these excuses from parents. I am constantly recommending that parents get their kids flip phones if they really think their kids need a phone (they don’t -for all the other reasons mentioned above). My recommendation is often met with either silence or excuses .JH is correct -until we solve the collective action problem, the smart phones are going to continue to devastate our children’s mental health and education.
Very timely article. I would like to double your emphasis on how damaging it is when kids give orders to their parents - and the parents obey! The parents need your lecture to help them to buck up and be the adults in the room. And here is the counter to the kids' "I'll be isolated without my smart phone & social media" argument: their "inclusion" is fake. Social media "friends" are fake friends. That is in your article, but not with all the dots connected. The parents need to have logic on their side, and logic says that enabling fake friends with social media must be stopped. It is what isolates the kids from reality, plunging them on one-way trips to delusion land.
“For all the talk about diversity many of them can’t handle working with someone who voted the other way”!!!! Mic drop moment!!!
My natural disposition is to try to make my kids' childhoods as much like my own (in the good ways) as possible. And as I approach middle age I am becoming more dismissive of new things.
I wish you well. You are wise, and your children are lucky.
My niece would not allow her kids to have smart phones or go on social media without adult supervision. Both have grown into lovely and well adjusted young adults. Obviously social media has become a curse.
If we lived in a normal society, they would market phones with a lock-out feature so parents could disable the social media functions until a certain age (probably 30, lol).
My kids are 25 & 27, i delayed phones but even before smart phones & social media they were texting instead of talking. Teens are rebellious by nature & even if you do your best they will go into that world the moment they step out the door. No teen wants to be the only one at school without a smart phone or an Xbox. They've gone from well socialized to addicted to technology & unrealistic life expectations presented by influencer's.
I didn't have a phone until after high school. We barely had the internet, and I'm thankful for that.
The fact that schools even starting allowing phones in the first place blows my mind. Freaking idiots.
I’m really grateful for this episode. I have spent over 4 years beating myself up for being a terrible parent as my daughter has life-limiting anxiety. I never wanted her to have a phone but the school insisted everyone had one. I wish I had been more clued up regarding limits, hoe on Earth to get my head around family wifi and shutting hers off, and just what was out there but I found out too late.
This is a great topic. Thanks for this talk.
In the modern age I would say no smart phones before uni, with a mental health warning before 25. Why ? Because it does not appear to be straightforward to raise children to be psychologically fully adult at 18 in the modern era, and to the extent that they have not completed their psychological and emotional development at 18, they would continue to need protection from the all-pervasive and negative effects of social networks. And yes I have children, and no they do not have smartphones.
I totally agree with you, and so do my grown children! Now that we are having a grandbaby, lots of discussion within our family about this phone issue!
Also! Glad to hear you're children do not have smartphones! As a mother that did🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ I can now see the HUGE mistake I made..
though the brain does not stop developing until 25 and it is believed now that part of adolescence is put to 25.
He mentions video games. Gaming used to be a very social activity. You'd bring your game console over to your friends house and play together.
I see so many adults who appear to be stuck to their phones, neighbors who can’t walk to the mailbox without their faces glued to a phone. They seem to talk all day….what is there to talk about all day? On an aside, how about the normalization and celebration of obesity?
As a middle school teacher, I can't agree with Haidt enough! Phones are a massive contributor to the deterioration of children's mental health.
I was in a waiting room the other day and all the other people there with me were total screen zombies.
The man literally didn't look away from his phone for a whole hour. There was also a woman and her boy; she curled up in a chair as much in the corner of the room as she could with her phone 2 inches from her face while the fat kid was panicking to make the WiFi work on his tablet. He never succeeded and got pissed off. He wanted the mom's phone and she pushed him away.
If was surreal. The place had coffee and art books and a great view and whatnot for people waiting but none of it mattered to anyone.
I was feeling like an alien turning pages about Monet while they were mindlessly doom scrolling.
What have we become
Consumed by screens and latest gadget. Way of the world. But good observation. Most teens spend at least 5 hours a day on social media. But why change it. Hopefully the next generations want less and less kids.
My daughter had a flip phone until high school. She is 22 now and is not nearly as addicted to her phone as others her age.
I got my 13 year old a flip phone for activities and to talk to her long distance cousins every once in a while. I thought a flip would be great since you can’t get apps. The downside is that it still has internet access and she’s on UA-cam every time she gets access to the phone. It’s really annoying because it’s actually more difficult to control the internet access on that phone. I’ve not been able to turn that off and just leave talk and text on.😢
I'm still addicted to books. 😮 I grew up when libraries were the answers to questions. I have lots of questions. Books won't beat you up, or ostracize you for asking 😢
Wow, this is so important!! 🙌🏼
Caught a student taking a selfie during a fire drill. Very dangerous but they are oblivious to dangers of cell phone abuse.
My niece had her nose into a tablet walking out of a walmart and nearly got ran over by a car. This crap can be potentially lethal when given to little kids.
Excellent speech from Jonathan Haidt, he talks such a lot of good sense. I am amazed how many children in the UK have smartphones, even nine and ten year olds. I have no kids myself, but if I did have youngsters now I'd definitely have a rule forbidding smartphone ownership or usage prior to the age of 16. Good to hear Jonathan give some detail to this debate, the statistics are truly shocking with regard to the rise in suicides in the last 13 years or so, especially amongst girls. However, the twenty and thirty-somethings worry me too, so many of them cannot hear an alternate point of view without wanting to cancel the person holding that point of view. I sometimes despair of our future. In October I met a 46 year old woman in a pub here in the UK. She was more upset by the UK government projecting the Israeli flag on 10 Downing Street than she was about the Hamas attacks of 7th October onwards. No matter that the French, Belgian and Turkish flags had all been projected in public places following terrorist attacks in those countries in 2015 and 2016. I was in the same pub tonight briefly, and the bar lady was the same one who was there on the night the 46 year old woman and I were discussing then Israel situation amongst other things. The 46 year old has not been back to the pub since, but back in October she'd sent the bar lady a message to pass on to me, something about Israel being the villains, etc, etc. I think we are dealing with low level psychopathy here, the fact that she would send a text to the bar lady to pass on to me, clearly she wanted to have the last word. There's nowt so queer as folk, to use a famous phrase from long-running British soap opera "Coronation Street".
It doesn't do any good to be a "digital native" if all that means is addiction and death.
Daycare, and limited time either parents is also a threat. Read Hold On To Your Kids for more.
My kids are grown, but if they were young now, I think my policy would be (1) no smart phone until 14 or 16, and (2) we parents aren't paying for it.
Too soft my friend.
It’s 2023 and we have easy to buy and install sound dampening. It’s incredibly annoying to allow such levels of noisy room reverb for an entire segment. It’s not professional.
This is great data and insights he’s sharing.
Cellphone addiction is terrible in every way.
I highly regard Jonathan Haidt's research; however, fragility caused by social media has grown in soil that was sedimented a few decades earlier. I'm referring to Philip Rieff's (1966) book The Triumph of the Therapeutic and Frank Furedi's (2004) book Therapeutic Culture. The latter traces how, from the 1960s onwards, the therapeutic understanding of the self progressively eclipsed a moral understanding of persons living in communities.
When I was a kid we were told TV and video games were ruining our minds. Really all I can think of that perhaps twisted my brain cells was the news. I still believe a steady diet of too much news warps normal, rational thinking
So cool to hear someone that understands his field of expertise speak out about solutions to problems identified. The difference in outcomes for boys and girls confirms the cause and effect. It is scary to hear that preliminary 0:02 data suggests that the health problem is on par with polio etc.
Kids need guidance and nurturing by caring adults and communities and …... Discipline. That big D is hard and so scary, but worthwhile, good luck to all parents out there.
If you’re going to make a good point, you cannot end it with ‘The big D is hard and so scary…’ 😂 I can’t unsee that
@@jpurgal so it is not much easier to tell others what they want to hear rather than what you think they need to hear? As a parent it is much easier to support your child through affirmation rather than criticism, every day of the week. That is not good parenting!!
Parenting is a bloody hard job in a world where everyone is purported to be a victim.
My kids are 19 and 21 now but I avoided giving them phones too soon. I know that phones and even computers can be addictive.
Phone-based childhood
Great term
Please keep doing what you are doing Haidt and ARC. x
Thank you.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Jonathan Haidt. The voice of reason. Again.
That was an interesting listen
My grandkids use their tablets/laptops for drawing and playing games, or creating dramas. Tha kfully the are restricted at school, mostly at home.
They got involved socially with anime conferences, as well. They're quite creative.
Could not agree more!!!!!!🙃🙏❤
I can't be the only one to notice this - at the beginning Professor Haidt says that the data suggests it is both girls on the left and secular conservative girls that appear to have suffered an increase in these conditions. He then proceeds to discuss the social impact of technology, completely ignoring that the data suggests that the difference points to faith (assuming those on the left are predominantly secular).
Great insights!
insightful . i completely agree
Moral theologians teach that the only temptation impossible to simply resist is lust...it MUST be countered with another absorbing activity and interest. I think it's safe to add screen addictions to lust. Parents who care MUST involve themselves with their children's activities with conversations, card games, hobbies, animal responsibilities, Sunday school or prayer time...cooking together. If they don't. it's because they don't care, period. The biggest problem is when the parents disagree or are on screens all the time themselves
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Greetings!
"When you look at the published research" - that's a serious part of the issue right there.
The deliberate withholding of information.
Plus, it can't be a coincidence, about girls' mental health & the huge, huge, huge increase in young women that say they're Trans.
I propose that the ‘EMO’ internet boom was the beginning of that darkness that sprouted as mental health problems (around 2006)
Great presentation. I think part of the issue manifests as the tendency to overly categorise and classify. Is there a term for this? If not, would genophilia/genophiliac serve?
Mr. Haidt is a national treasure.
Great web gems on here.
My oldest daughter got a smartphone at 8. Now at 14 she is totally addicted to it and can't live 1 sec without smartphone.
My youngest will never get a smartphone from me. Never.
Take her damn phone away. Jeez.
No smart phones until age 18 is more sensible!
The world needs internet lisences and you should go to get those when you gain the ability to vote or apply for your social security ID. That ID should be the basis for your internet interactions so that what you say is said by you.
I agree for payment, but not for opinions or leaking controversial information. Too many people lose jobs for opinions that wouldn't have mattered 20 years ago. Also, you should have to use your ID to send nudes, to stop revenge porn and sharing child pornography. Even the Federalist Papers, the basis for our Constitution, were anonymous!
I am so goddamn glad I'm just old enough that I grew up before cell phones were really a common thing. I didn't get my first smartphone until I was about 30 and have never cared for social media. The phone serves my needs, not the other way around.
Like all new technology, there's a learning curve at first. it's addictive then it passes for something else. I know one thing I'm already tired of the amount of garbage I have to go through just to hear something worthwhile, then again isn't that like when you're having conversations with people who really haven't got much to say.
No
We give our kids phone when they go to high school (uk) due to walking there and back, plus homework. However it’s restricted. Screen locks in the evening, no social media only what’s app until 13/14, I know the lock code and they have to get permission for downloading apps. So it’s fairly boring for them but they’ve coped. Plus we eat dinner together every night, no phones at the table. They all do out of school activities. We play board games. We try really hard to keep them involved in family life as they grow up. I think there can be a middle ground. I will say that my son loves video games but they’ve actually strengthened his social bonds with his friendship group. I like hearing them playing online together. But again he has restrictions and he respects them ( most of the time 😂).
Literally this is simple, common sense. You don’t need data to understand what is going wrong in society today.
people have become stupeied and apparently sadly do because they have allowed tech to paint the whole view.
Too late to be simple its a new world 😢
Thank you very much for the information very useful.
You are very welcome!
My daughters in law don’t let their kids have anything but the basic phone once they are a certain age, so they can call her if there is an emergency. No social media. I’m so grateful for this
I think they should be able to text at least.
@@TheDionysianFields interesting comment since if they can call they can text. Sometimes I believe
people don't read before they comment. I agree, emergency calls and texts are a part of the world now
with things being what they are
@@lisatowe778 No, I'm saying that I believe they should be able to text their friends.
@@TheDionysianFields depends who their friends are. Lot of sick people in this world
Job is to keep them away from predators
I grew up without phones so I probably don’t think they are as essential as some do
@@lisatowe778 When all of their friends or peers have phones and a kid isn't able to communicate and coordinate with them, he/she feels isolated. We can't remove 100% of the risk no matter what. But I would definitely restrict social media.
New Norms:
1. No Smartphones before age 14 (instead: flip-phone)
2. No Social Media before 16.
3. Phone-free schools (locked away)
4. Far more free play, unsupervised
Love these norms. I have been looking for science-based guidelines like these for ages.
I'm so glad the environment is ending soon. 😢
No social media until they are adults
yes. I was just summarising what Jonathan Haidt was suggesting.@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql
Ohh nooo I've done it all wrong as a parent unfortunately ... but not a lblut me wining nor whinging I have to employ the 4 Collective Normative solutions.... uggghh ! Great interview & awareness 👏 👍 THANKYOU & Godbless you all! 🙏❤️🙏
divine central authority for each person
I hear you there but it can help as for me now we can change the through understanding each other 2
Poison at any age. Go flip and live.
We used to read these paper things in the 80's. They were called "pornos". Wait I mean "books".
My kids have phones, but they don't have social media. Thankfully, my kids are fine, but I also believe that is because they don't have social media by their own choice. I also tell my kids how TOXIC social media is.
My family, unfortunately, does NOT have a "community," but my kids are also okay. I have a great relationship with my kids, I respect them, I tell them every day how much I love them, how amazing they are, how grateful I am to have them in my life. I talk to my kids and have meaningful conversations with them.
BUT we are also Christians, and we teach our children that they have intrinsic value and they have a purpose in this life that the Lord YHWH gave them because He wanted them just like He wants ALL people because He created them all.
My kids are also boys. If I had had a girl, I would have done the EXACT same thing with her, BUT with how evil this world is, especially towards girls, I have strong doubts that she would not be affected by it the way my boys are.
Housing affordability and too many parents forced to rent instead of own their own homes is also a cause of depression and suicide and weird morality in the Anglo sphere?
The pandemic had BIG role in the generation that has been raised on phones. It also explains why liberal kids were impacted more because their parents were most likely more strict about isolating during the child’s formative years.
I find it interesting he is calling his book Life after Babel.(If I heard him accurately this silly American can be bad with some accents) For years calling the Internet the Tower of Babel in conversations with my husband. Just a few days ago we had a conversation where he was struck that it wasn't just a cheeky joke but an accurate description.
There is literally a language learning platform called Babel. That's no accident.
How about no internet access or smartphones before 18?
What about pressuring social media outlets to have a two-hour timer per day?
Every day a minor would have two hours to be online, after which the system would shut down their account
until the next day.
There's also a correlation between those time periods & the huge increase in young females saying they're Trans
If we know religious people are healthier than secular people then wouldn’t be the rational thing to do is to Pray? Rather than having terms like “Collective action problem”? Wouldn’t pray literally link people together mentally ?
It's a self discipline problem of the parents. You have to lead by example. Nobody (child or adult) 'needs' a smartphone. It's that simple. Put your foot down and do more exciting things with your life.
That religious conservatives are happier than liberals is well established in the social psyc literature. I think it was Max Weber 100 years ago who warned us that modern pursuits (of commercialism and materialism, both foundational pillars of social media) would not be able to replace the profound sense of belonging, place and solace which religion provides, and would leave us bereft. As a catholic apostate atheist, I can't help but wonder whether I need a dose of church in my life...