@@RandomGaminginHD I own a wx 2100 low end workstation gpu, and I gotta say I do love the design on these gpus. I hope you cover more of them one day. the wx 3100 looks like an interesting gpu to review and benchmark, anyhow randomgaminginHd, keep up the good work and Godspeed.
Maaaaaate you're almost at half a million?! I remember you being at 50k or something, insane. Atleast it feels like that, it was a year before the 10 series gtx cards released i think. Anyway mate, form a long time subscriber, cheers. You earned this stuff so much, and i'm glad to see you're doing this well. Greatings from your neighbours at the other side of the english channel
@@stonalisa3729 yeah that might be a factor? His content is just good in general and i love seeing his ebay finds like the rare cards that he owns like that 780ti MSI Lightning card or the Asus Mars card, i dont remember if it was a dual gpu but i enjoyed that one!
It always amazes me how Steve manages to find obscure graphics cards. I don't know how far he is willing to go back on his channel regarding aged cards, but I would love to see some AGP cards put through their paces. Great video as always, Steve.
I switched to the Radeon Pro drivers a few months ago to see if driver crashes reduced. It's made my RX 6700XT usable now!. There are some games such as indie games that will simply not run but the trade off seems to be more FPS and stability in mainstream games.
I bought a RX6600 just before Christmas, an Asus model. I just went straight to the AMD site for the drivers but managed to get the Pro drivers rather than the game drivers - the icon in the system tray is blue rather than red. It looks rather the same to the game drivers but I read somewhere that the Pro drivers are more stable and so it seems to be - I haven't had any crashes so far which apparently happens with the game drivers. But as they say, if it ain't broke don't fix it so I'll keep using the Pro drivers. 😁
i might have to look into that as i do have some random crashes with my card, though the only game i have issues with is star citizen, so that could be the cause.
If you need to get a low profile RX 6400, avoid the cheap XFX version. I like XFX cards generally, but I tried two of those and they were hitting 90° constantly, even on an open bench. The Saphire low profile version runs about 10-15° lower due to a better designed heat sink. Weighs about 50% more, and the fan was more quiet. Barely larger, fits into equally tiny systems. Great for making old SFF office PCs into acceptable 1080p Low gaming consoles.
Reminds me of the blue that they used on the RADEON 7 cards on the higher end ones. I really wanted one of those the BLUE Shroud on the water cooled ones was beautiful. Less Aluminum but still doesn't look god awful. Could get you through if you need a GPU as a backup.
I really like your content. I really appreciate a UA-camr that reviews hardware most of us can actually afford. If possible, I’d like for you to test some older pro gpu’s from AMD like the FirePro w4300, w5100 and w7100 as well the newer cards like Radeon Pro wx3100, wx3200, wx4100 and wx5100. I see a lot of them on eBay and I’m curious to see how they perform.
I've been meaning to do Pro Driver testing on my Radeon VII for a good while now, especially considering the uplifts that I had with the RX Lexa ("550", 02 GB) in applications such as Vegas Pro, where there was an improvement of about 05% in Render Times on the same project with no major changes: Now, while I don't expect that the Instinct MI50/MI60 and Radeon Pro VII drivers will impact the Radeon VII nearly as much as what I saw on the Lexa for the Polaris Pro drivers, I am certain that there will be some considerable improvements to software compatibility in certain aspects, very likely some games and emulators will benefit from this to an extent but wishfully it doesn't prevent certain other things from working, it'll be worth the analysis and wishfully this'll turn out with some effective results that'll stick going forward. (:
another important thing to bear in mind when you mention recording is that the rx 64/500s do not have a h264 encoder, making recording far more annoying to do, both using amd's software or just obs
Man they really kneecapped this card did they.. imagine this card but with a full 16x interface, a h264 encoder or hey even support for AV1 encoding apparently pretty good! Then it would be great for people om a budget to game on in older small formfactor systems but also as a secondary card for recording and editing..
@@kurnma3776 Whats that? And i don't think it solves all the problems that this card has, the limited bandwith and lack of encoding support Edit: spelling
The card design is identical to the Sapphire Pulse RX6400 low-profile card, down to the bracket design. I'm sure Sapphire is the one manufacturing the reference and professional AMD cards.
The "pro" in the drivers and the gpus on amd cards are mote like "for companies" than a professional use, the pro drivers can be used with regular gpus, I used with mine like this for months, the difference is that they don't have the "gaming" things and optimizations for games that the regular drivers have, apart from this, it's basically the same drivers
I would now like to know if this is cut down. Being a workstation card I would imagine it has encode/decode capabilities ... that the RX 6400 does not ...
Great video, didn't know that card (or its driver) existed. So just for fun, owning a spanking-new RX 6400 in my HTPC, I decided to try the PRO driver on it. Here are some benchmarks run with the latest regular driver (Adrenalin 22.11.2) with Afterburner running, but of course, no overclocks: (i7 7700, 16GB Ram, PCIe 3 slot). Superposition 1080P Medium 6339, FPS Min 37.28, Ave 47.42, Max 66.94 Timespy graphics score: 3568 Firestrike Extreme Graphics Score: 5301 Firestrike Graphics Score: 11905 Mesh Shader Feature Test: 14.05 off, 128.55 on, difference 814.9% Tiny Tina's Wonderlands Benchmark: 88.98FPS And now, the same benchmarks after switching to the 22.Q4 "PRO" driver: Superposition 1080P Medium: 6346, FPS Min 37.94, Ave 47.47, Max 67.01 (Essentially identical) Timespy graphics score: 3527 (Very slightly worse) Firestrike Extreme Graphics Score: 5302 (Essentially identical) Firestrike Graphics Score: 11867 (Very slightly worse) Mesh Shader Feature Test: 12.92 off, 129.13 on, difference 899.8% Tiny Tina's Wonderlands Benchmark: 83.15FPS (Slightly worse, but with A LOT of stuttering) Due to the considerable stuttering in TTW, I went back to the normal drivers, and the stuttering went away.
Look, I actually REALLY DONT CARE about these cards, up until you bring them up, how dare you. But then again this is why I subscribed, keep gooiiing!!!! All the best!
Workstation GPUs probably just suck money from the business market. Some of them do however feature things like double floating point precision, but newer GPUs likely have that anyway.
🙂 buddy, for older PCIe3 motherboards could you do a bunch of tests with the 6400 VS 550, for tiny small form factor oem pcs they have versions of these 2, i was wondering if its worth spending more on the 6400 or is it going to run the same as the 550 in an older motherboard? thank you and Godspeed 🙏😇
i have it running on 10th gen i3 so it's pcie3. i didn't use rx 550 it but it's definetly better than rx 550. you can search for i3-10100 rx 6400 videos for getting an idea. I am very happy with it but, I am coming from intel hd graphics, there's that
Its at least twice as fast in gaming as a 550. Even on pci 3.0. If you HAVE to go low profile the options are pretty limited even on the used market. I just bought a 6400 for $135 new because i got frustrated with what else is out there to fit in my i7 sff office pc
The lack of video encoder is making this card absolutely pointless for me, maybe except for being a display adapter. Funnily enough, it doesn't even have an HDMI 2.1 port. Hardware encoder is so important in so many workloads - video editing, ffmpeg, handbrake, OBS Studio and all those stuff. RTX 3050 in video editing is so much more useful than GTX 1080 Ti, and this is the reason - RTX 3050 has the 7th gen NVENC, which is substantially better than the 6th gen NVENC found on GTX 1080 Ti. RX 6000 GPU has brilliant HEVC encoder, and they're blazingly fast, although quality is a bit lower than 7th gen NVENC. I can't think of a single reason for AMD to cut down the Encoder on these lower ends RDNA2 cards, because it's just an FPGA and is super cheap, but super useful.
Wait a minute, why you encode on handbrake using GPU? It's been on concensus that CPU encoding is better quality and smaller size than GPU encoding. And why you need HDMI 2.1 on entry level cards? This card can't do 8K 60P on video display so it's useless tech on this card
What does make it attractive are the two full sized DP ports, in contrast to the mixed outputs the regular 6400 has. Doesn't outweigh the drawbacks, though...
I've been using the pro drivers on my rx 470 for a few months now. Performance is essentially identical but stability is noticeably higher. I used to have this issue where display output would sometimes have a fizzly "no signal on a CRT" type effect, but after installing the pro drivers, the issue is gone and I haven't had any driver crashes either
😒👍 that cards configuration is a MUST for newer DELL OEM SFF Cases! the video card slot is at the very bottom right up against the PSU! u must use single slot cards or its a no go!
Could you please see what temperatures you get if you adjust the fan curve??? That would be very interesting to see!!! By the way, didn't know about PRO drivers being compatible!!!! Damn this is so good!! I went right ahead and installed it for my RX 460 OEM model, and it worked like a charm!!! Not that I noticed a difference, but good to know! :D I hate frequent updates anyway ;-P
Compare to the generation of console like One / PS4 it's very impressive how this card perform ! Okay it's not the card to play in ultra in high fps but consume only 40W max and can run game in medium 1080p60 with FSR ! It's really very efficient !
so here is someone who knows a bit more about the variety of use cases (worked at a computer store which sold to pretty much any type of customer). These low profile cards mostly got put into 2U racks (about 6 at a time, customer bought 18) to put video out onto a wall of displays. A server for rendering -> this thing is power efficient and comparably silent (customer bought 5). It was used inside the office. The Nvidia cards are rather loud if you want the performance. Tiny workstation PCs for CAD in a University environment. NVidia was considered, but the Linux devices had problems for some reason (As stated by customer, apparently they have an old software proprietary but running on Unixoids) In these environments, Decode only does not hurt at all.
Imagine buying W6400 just for that single slot design & expecting to be a competitor to Nvidia RTX A2000, only to be scammed by similar performance to RX 6400. Any chance that Radeon Pro W6600 would perform the same as RX6600?
No-need-for-extra-power-connector is a Very Big Thing when using retired business machine with small power supply. 250-350W PSU's are common in business desktops as you know. Just because of those machines are not disappearing, rx6400-series is useful. Nvidia GTX1050/1050ti was very popular for such PCs, but rx6400 seems to be way faster than even gtx1050ti? Have you tested gtx1050ti vs. rx6400? Another question; can you overclock your W6400 - would it help?
The encoder thing is probably not as big a deal as you might think. Actual media producers/editors wouldn't use these low-end pro cards. They're more likely to be used for lightweight CAD and prototype work and perhaps to accelerate some workloads that could overwhelm a CPU.
I just want GPU prices to come back down to Earth. It's ridiculous that prices are so stupidly high and it's because of people who have more money than sense that are willing to pay thousands for stuff that's worth a 10th of what they're selling for.
I use the pro drivers on my 6600 xt and i'll tell you that it feels like the card is more stable and sometimes i even get a little boost over the adrenaline drivers. Atleast this was the situation 2 months ago, when i decided to switch.
For things like CGI or CAM/CAM modelling and the regarding test rendering as well as image processing you don't need the accelerated encoding/decoding. It's only relevant for video processing.
As someone from the "Pro" industry, the w 6400 doesnt really make sense. I can forgive that its ok for it to not have encoders but at least it should have multiple mini DP ports so it can be used for expanded view setups such as advertising screens. or atleast it should have 6Gb of vram to handle above average workloads for displaying
All this fuss about the lack of hardware encoding on the RX/W6400 (mine is the ASRock Challenger ITX version) is kind of baffling. I recorded about a half-hour of Guild Wars 2 (medium-high settings; on my Ryzen 5 3600 + 16 gigs 3600MHz DDR4 with OBS' default recording settings, so a 2500 bitrate) on the weekend and didn't notice any performance dips (only had Steam's FPS counter, so no actual stats). Only meant to record for like 5 minutes, since it was just to test, but I got distracted and only remembered that it was recording when I alt-tabbed to look up something on the GW2 wiki. :P Maybe it's only bad on CPU-intensive, very high framerate games or when streaming? Now THERE's an idea for a video: RX/W6400 performance differences when playing (with external capture) and when recording. edit: Hmm. So, from the sounds of things, the only differences between this version of the card and the normal low profile version really seems to be swapping the HDMI for another DisplayPort, the specific set of drivers being used and, of course, the price. Weird.
With cyberpunk or hitman 3, I am pretty sure your fps will be affected at least somewhat with the cpu doing the encoding in the background. If you had a cpu with an igpu, you could have used that to do the encoding instead.
I know you have made a general commentary on the subject several times but... how large are your hands exactly? They look like you could squeeze a basketball with one hand as if it were a stress-ball...
I got this used from a Craigslist guy for 89 bucks (haha) for my Amiga Case PC mod. I can only fit 1 slot LP GPU, so this is the only option I had, but I'm using it for retro games like DeusEx or Emulation so its fine. It's a cool little card. I would love to see a newer generation with the same specs, though.
Sometimes "pro" just means "for companies", not that any specific pro use of it will be made. It's ok that it doesn't have features for pros who actually need GPU power. These cards usually just go into pre-built workstations because pro CPUs don't have integrated cards. Some company is going to spend $3000 for each one of 20 PCs so... why should the PC maker put in an outdated underpowered option? What's $100 more for the buyer? These are a cooler and better alternative to the GT 710 category. Actual changes from the RX are sober aesthetics, a quiet and power-efficient cooling setup, a low-profile option, the aforementioned chubbier price-tag and... a different name, so that a reassuring page for professionals will come out instead of UA-camrs playing games with the card (until now, I guess).
How does a PRO series card NOT have encoders?! AMD... what are you doing? On the flip side I have a little fleet of WX4100s and I am quite impressed with the lot of them. They are RX460 4GB equivalent and have h.265 encoding.
The Radeon Pro cards are designed for calculations , rendering, and modeling that why is it doesn't have the accelerated hardware encoding . it is designed for software like Solid works, Auto CAD programs, Blender , video editing software , Maya, etc .
The real disappointment with this one is the absense of ECC, as wel as some other "Pro" cards from AMD, would've been a really interesting card with that.
Watching videos like this reminds me of how much better baked shadows were for low-end gaming, Dynamic lighting is great but when you turn it off, games look so bad, that Cyberpunk 2077 looks terribly flat, Even HL2 looks better than that because all it's lighting is baked.
Intended card use is OEMS padding profit margin. People don't know that on board video is good enough for most business purposes and the w6400 is isn't necessary to get video output.
Difference ... well, there is no much difference in architecture, in this case practically there is no any difference. In theory, professional chips are better binned, I don't know is this the case . Drivers ... professional cards get driver support for some professional programs (AutoCAD comes to mind) that allows more direct "talk" to the hardware. Although in modern times even vanilla gaming drivers for RX 6400 are good enough for these programs. Different display ports ... yeah that must be it 😁 My personal opinion : professional cards are slowly dying breed as there is no much justification to buy them over regular ones even for professional work.
Just look at that poor PCIE connector just beginning to have more pcie lane traces added. I used to think the pro software drivers were older and had bugs found and fixed by gamers using RX card drivers but could have been wrong.
Would have loved a "6400 XT"... full Navi 24, but not with every bit of performance squeezed out of it/shit efficiency (6500XT). LP models and no power connector.
we bought a couple of these to try to beef up some underpowered xeon workstations and they did not noticeable improve light graphic design workloads. If anything, trying to keep the drivers updated conflicted with our corporate security suite (which is perpetually using system settings and drivers from 7 years prior).
With PCIe 4.0, the bandwidth loss at x4 may not be that big, but whoever thinks of upgrading an old PC with it will look around if it only has PCIe 2.0 or 1.0... then that's a real bottleneck.... That's why I think it is stupid that the card only has x4. Otherwise great for Pc's with weak power supplies.
Don't understand the point of a "Professional" GPU without an encoder, and considering the encoder in RDNA2 gpus is quite good, it's a shame it doesn't have it. I don't understand what a professional would use this for, besides a display adapter. Even then a GT 1030 would be a cheaper choice.
Wow no video encoder. 😆 What is it for then. I guess just for vram to use on digital and 3d graphics software. But I assumed it needed video encoding for that. Guess I was wrong.
I mean if you need a light duty card for an SFF living room PC you can't do much better. This is easily enough GPU for HTPC duty and emulation and should be enough to play many older games maxed at 1080p. Certainly anything less demanding than these very intensive games in the video should run quite well.
I always love the shades of Blue AMD uses for their modern workstation cards.
Yeah it looks great
not only the modeen ones, theyve done it since like 2017
@@keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst 2017 is modern
@@RandomGaminginHD I own a wx 2100 low end workstation gpu, and I gotta say I do love the design on these gpus. I hope you cover more of them one day. the wx 3100 looks like an interesting gpu to review and benchmark, anyhow randomgaminginHd, keep up the good work and Godspeed.
@@theJ1M1 2017 is vintage in tech world.
Maaaaaate you're almost at half a million?!
I remember you being at 50k or something, insane. Atleast it feels like that, it was a year before the 10 series gtx cards released i think.
Anyway mate, form a long time subscriber, cheers. You earned this stuff so much, and i'm glad to see you're doing this well. Greatings from your neighbours at the other side of the english channel
He gained a lot of traction during the GPUs crisis
@@stonalisa3729 yea, sounds logical. He deserves it, really
@@stonalisa3729 yeah that might be a factor? His content is just good in general and i love seeing his ebay finds like the rare cards that he owns like that 780ti MSI Lightning card or the Asus Mars card, i dont remember if it was a dual gpu but i enjoyed that one!
He should do a $150 budget pc build to celebrate.
I guess he is the successor of lowspecgamer as he mostly cover low cost pc gaming. And the majority are interested in low budget more
That's a pretty card. I'd love to be able to buy cards with that restrained look and compact dimensions.
ITX dream
STX or u not a fan :) @@Jetanium
Very interesting video, I'm always curios to see how hardware performs in tasks it wasn't really designed for i.e. GPUs or workstation CPUs. :)
Glad you liked it!
It always amazes me how Steve manages to find obscure graphics cards. I don't know how far he is willing to go back on his channel regarding aged cards, but I would love to see some AGP cards put through their paces. Great video as always, Steve.
Would be curious to see if windows 11 would even boot on an old AGP gfx card :D
@@PC_Ringo or an old Quadro FX card that is the first one to have PCIE connector, but the architecture is from the AGP days
I love it. It looks straight out of the early 2000s.
I switched to the Radeon Pro drivers a few months ago to see if driver crashes reduced. It's made my RX 6700XT usable now!. There are some games such as indie games that will simply not run but the trade off seems to be more FPS and stability in mainstream games.
I bought a RX6600 just before Christmas, an Asus model. I just went straight to the AMD site for the drivers but managed to get the Pro drivers rather than the game drivers - the icon in the system tray is blue rather than red. It looks rather the same to the game drivers but I read somewhere that the Pro drivers are more stable and so it seems to be - I haven't had any crashes so far which apparently happens with the game drivers. But as they say, if it ain't broke don't fix it so I'll keep using the Pro drivers.
😁
I use the game drivers. I don’t really get crashes more than once in a while
I had some weird issues when I got my 6800 a few months ago (like trepidation when launching a game) but lastest drivers seem to be really stable
i might have to look into that as i do have some random crashes with my card, though the only game i have issues with is star citizen, so that could be the cause.
While filming a monitor you should try -0.7 exposure compensation, it gives much better picture.
If you need to get a low profile RX 6400, avoid the cheap XFX version. I like XFX cards generally, but I tried two of those and they were hitting 90° constantly, even on an open bench. The Saphire low profile version runs about 10-15° lower due to a better designed heat sink. Weighs about 50% more, and the fan was more quiet. Barely larger, fits into equally tiny systems. Great for making old SFF office PCs into acceptable 1080p Low gaming consoles.
Yeah I had that same XFX 6400 and it was HOT, returned it and got a full size GPU.
And for some gods forsaken reason it's the most expensive LP version in my chunk of the world.
Thanks, very usefull post.
Yeah I have a XFX and have to blow a extra desktop fan on it just to keep it cool while I'm gaming
@@Liminal.Headspace
No son Dios
Most underrated tech channel on UA-cam for sure. 💖
Reminds me of the blue that they used on the RADEON 7 cards on the higher end ones. I really wanted one of those the BLUE Shroud on the water cooled ones was beautiful. Less Aluminum but still doesn't look god awful. Could get you through if you need a GPU as a backup.
I really like your content. I really appreciate a UA-camr that reviews hardware most of us can actually afford. If possible, I’d like for you to test some older pro gpu’s from AMD like the FirePro w4300, w5100 and w7100 as well the newer cards like Radeon Pro wx3100, wx3200, wx4100 and wx5100. I see a lot of them on eBay and I’m curious to see how they perform.
I've been meaning to do Pro Driver testing on my Radeon VII for a good while now, especially considering the uplifts that I had with the RX Lexa ("550", 02 GB) in applications such as Vegas Pro, where there was an improvement of about 05% in Render Times on the same project with no major changes: Now, while I don't expect that the Instinct MI50/MI60 and Radeon Pro VII drivers will impact the Radeon VII nearly as much as what I saw on the Lexa for the Polaris Pro drivers, I am certain that there will be some considerable improvements to software compatibility in certain aspects, very likely some games and emulators will benefit from this to an extent but wishfully it doesn't prevent certain other things from working, it'll be worth the analysis and wishfully this'll turn out with some effective results that'll stick going forward. (:
I'd love one but they are normally expensive (for the performance segment).
The interesting professional GPUs are the RTX A4000 and PRO W6800
Yeah I tested the a2000 too which was pretty good. A lot cheaper now as well
W6800 is mentally priced you realise? Plus non existent
@@crawfordbrown75 It exists, but its damn pricey XD
Radeon 680m in ryzen laptop APUs is already as good as this, can't wait to see what next gen desktop APUs based on RDNA3 can do 😀
another important thing to bear in mind when you mention recording is that the rx 64/500s do not have a h264 encoder, making recording far more annoying to do, both using amd's software or just obs
Man they really kneecapped this card did they.. imagine this card but with a full 16x interface, a h264 encoder or hey even support for AV1 encoding apparently pretty good! Then it would be great for people om a budget to game on in older small formfactor systems but also as a secondary card for recording and editing..
tbf you can use intel quick sync
@@kurnma3776 Whats that? And i don't think it solves all the problems that this card has, the limited bandwith and lack of encoding support
Edit: spelling
@@koolin3613 its an integrated encoder in Intel CPUs
@@kurnma3776 ahh ok thnx!
i headbanged through every performance demonstration, like a real professional
The card design is identical to the Sapphire Pulse RX6400 low-profile card, down to the bracket design. I'm sure Sapphire is the one manufacturing the reference and professional AMD cards.
you're so close to 500k!!!
😁
The "pro" in the drivers and the gpus on amd cards are mote like "for companies" than a professional use, the pro drivers can be used with regular gpus, I used with mine like this for months, the difference is that they don't have the "gaming" things and optimizations for games that the regular drivers have, apart from this, it's basically the same drivers
I would now like to know if this is cut down. Being a workstation card I would imagine it has encode/decode capabilities ... that the RX 6400 does not ...
It always amuses me how blue the shrouds of these workstation cards from the company usually referred to as Team _Red_ are.
The pro drivers are validated and certified to work with certain 3D rendering and video editing software, where applicable.
Cheap DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapter may work in the future. Just my 2cents. Thanks for making the video!
Surprisingly good for such a small card.
Great video, didn't know that card (or its driver) existed. So just for fun, owning a spanking-new RX 6400 in my HTPC, I decided to try the PRO driver on it. Here are some benchmarks run with the latest regular driver (Adrenalin 22.11.2) with Afterburner running, but of course, no overclocks: (i7 7700, 16GB Ram, PCIe 3 slot).
Superposition 1080P Medium 6339, FPS Min 37.28, Ave 47.42, Max 66.94
Timespy graphics score: 3568
Firestrike Extreme Graphics Score: 5301
Firestrike Graphics Score: 11905
Mesh Shader Feature Test: 14.05 off, 128.55 on, difference 814.9%
Tiny Tina's Wonderlands Benchmark: 88.98FPS
And now, the same benchmarks after switching to the 22.Q4 "PRO" driver:
Superposition 1080P Medium: 6346, FPS Min 37.94, Ave 47.47, Max 67.01
(Essentially identical)
Timespy graphics score: 3527
(Very slightly worse)
Firestrike Extreme Graphics Score: 5302
(Essentially identical)
Firestrike Graphics Score: 11867
(Very slightly worse)
Mesh Shader Feature Test: 12.92 off, 129.13 on, difference 899.8%
Tiny Tina's Wonderlands Benchmark: 83.15FPS
(Slightly worse, but with A LOT of stuttering)
Due to the considerable stuttering in TTW, I went back to the normal drivers, and the stuttering went away.
Look, I actually REALLY DONT CARE about these cards, up until you bring them up, how dare you.
But then again this is why I subscribed, keep gooiiing!!!!
All the best!
Workstation GPUs probably just suck money from the business market. Some of them do however feature things like double floating point precision, but newer GPUs likely have that anyway.
🙂 buddy, for older PCIe3 motherboards could you do a bunch of tests with the 6400 VS 550, for tiny small form factor oem pcs they have versions of these 2, i was wondering if its worth spending more on the 6400 or is it going to run the same as the 550 in an older motherboard? thank you and Godspeed 🙏😇
Yeah good idea I will do :)
i have it running on 10th gen i3 so it's pcie3. i didn't use rx 550 it but it's definetly better than rx 550. you can search for i3-10100 rx 6400 videos for getting an idea. I am very happy with it but, I am coming from intel hd graphics, there's that
rx6400 should be way better than the rx550 which has similar performance to a gt1030
Its at least twice as fast in gaming as a 550. Even on pci 3.0.
If you HAVE to go low profile the options are pretty limited even on the used market. I just bought a 6400 for $135 new because i got frustrated with what else is out there to fit in my i7 sff office pc
Even with pci 3.0 it blows the 550 out the water
The lack of video encoder is making this card absolutely pointless for me, maybe except for being a display adapter. Funnily enough, it doesn't even have an HDMI 2.1 port. Hardware encoder is so important in so many workloads - video editing, ffmpeg, handbrake, OBS Studio and all those stuff. RTX 3050 in video editing is so much more useful than GTX 1080 Ti, and this is the reason - RTX 3050 has the 7th gen NVENC, which is substantially better than the 6th gen NVENC found on GTX 1080 Ti. RX 6000 GPU has brilliant HEVC encoder, and they're blazingly fast, although quality is a bit lower than 7th gen NVENC. I can't think of a single reason for AMD to cut down the Encoder on these lower ends RDNA2 cards, because it's just an FPGA and is super cheap, but super useful.
Keep crying
It is a laptop chip. They repurposed it later to compete in low budget market same as rx 6500 - it was an afterthought....
Yeah it’s a shame for editors and even those who just want to capture a clip on a game
@@kurnma3776 Exactly.
Wait a minute, why you encode on handbrake using GPU? It's been on concensus that CPU encoding is better quality and smaller size than GPU encoding.
And why you need HDMI 2.1 on entry level cards? This card can't do 8K 60P on video display so it's useless tech on this card
What does make it attractive are the two full sized DP ports, in contrast to the mixed outputs the regular 6400 has. Doesn't outweigh the drawbacks, though...
Who'd have thought that such a small, compact, low power GPU would work so well at decent settings? FSR also helps.
I've been using the pro drivers on my rx 470 for a few months now. Performance is essentially identical but stability is noticeably higher. I used to have this issue where display output would sometimes have a fizzly "no signal on a CRT" type effect, but after installing the pro drivers, the issue is gone and I haven't had any driver crashes either
Maybe it wasn't the pro drivers that did that, maybe u just needed to reinstall your drivers. Go back to the normal ones and see if it's still fixed.
I love these sff low profile gpus 💪🥰🥳! Great to see these tiny powerhouses 💪😇.
😒👍 that cards configuration is a MUST for newer DELL OEM SFF Cases! the video card slot is at the very bottom right up against the PSU! u must use single slot cards or its a no go!
Yeah very handy for small systems!
There's a card you just don't see around.
Could you please see what temperatures you get if you adjust the fan curve??? That would be very interesting to see!!!
By the way, didn't know about PRO drivers being compatible!!!! Damn this is so good!! I went right ahead and installed it for my RX 460 OEM model, and it worked like a charm!!! Not that I noticed a difference, but good to know! :D I hate frequent updates anyway ;-P
damn this card is a beast for its looks
Compare to the generation of console like One / PS4 it's very impressive how this card perform ! Okay it's not the card to play in ultra in high fps but consume only 40W max and can run game in medium 1080p60 with FSR ! It's really very efficient !
Man it still performed well!
so here is someone who knows a bit more about the variety of use cases (worked at a computer store which sold to pretty much any type of customer).
These low profile cards mostly got put into 2U racks (about 6 at a time, customer bought 18) to put video out onto a wall of displays.
A server for rendering -> this thing is power efficient and comparably silent (customer bought 5). It was used inside the office. The Nvidia cards are rather loud if you want the performance.
Tiny workstation PCs for CAD in a University environment. NVidia was considered, but the Linux devices had problems for some reason (As stated by customer, apparently they have an old software proprietary but running on Unixoids)
In these environments, Decode only does not hurt at all.
That's really impressive for the price you got it.
Id recomend metal for recording as it doesn't affect performance that much and would be useful in this case
Imagine buying W6400 just for that single slot design & expecting to be a competitor to Nvidia RTX A2000, only to be scammed by similar performance to RX 6400. Any chance that Radeon Pro W6600 would perform the same as RX6600?
No-need-for-extra-power-connector is a Very Big Thing when using retired business machine with small power supply. 250-350W PSU's are common in business desktops as you know. Just because of those machines are not disappearing, rx6400-series is useful. Nvidia GTX1050/1050ti was very popular for such PCs, but rx6400 seems to be way faster than even gtx1050ti? Have you tested gtx1050ti vs. rx6400? Another question; can you overclock your W6400 - would it help?
The encoder thing is probably not as big a deal as you might think. Actual media producers/editors wouldn't use these low-end pro cards. They're more likely to be used for lightweight CAD and prototype work and perhaps to accelerate some workloads that could overwhelm a CPU.
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If this could be picked up for cheap, then itmay be good option for low profile emulation machines made from office PCs
Every time this guy starts RDR2 the poor people of Valentine: *panics*
"Oh no, no again another test!"
I just want GPU prices to come back down to Earth.
It's ridiculous that prices are so stupidly high and it's because of people who have more money than sense that are willing to pay thousands for stuff that's worth a 10th of what they're selling for.
I use the pro drivers on my 6600 xt and i'll tell you that it feels like the card is more stable and sometimes i even get a little boost over the adrenaline drivers. Atleast this was the situation 2 months ago, when i decided to switch.
500k incoming babeh woooo
For things like CGI or CAM/CAM modelling and the regarding test rendering as well as image processing you don't need the accelerated encoding/decoding. It's only relevant for video processing.
As someone from the "Pro" industry, the w 6400 doesnt really make sense. I can forgive that its ok for it to not have encoders but at least it should have multiple mini DP ports so it can be used for expanded view setups such as advertising screens. or atleast it should have 6Gb of vram to handle above average workloads for displaying
Would be nice to see a side by side comparison with nvidia quadro
god those cards are fucking adorable
😁
All this fuss about the lack of hardware encoding on the RX/W6400 (mine is the ASRock Challenger ITX version) is kind of baffling. I recorded about a half-hour of Guild Wars 2 (medium-high settings; on my Ryzen 5 3600 + 16 gigs 3600MHz DDR4 with OBS' default recording settings, so a 2500 bitrate) on the weekend and didn't notice any performance dips (only had Steam's FPS counter, so no actual stats). Only meant to record for like 5 minutes, since it was just to test, but I got distracted and only remembered that it was recording when I alt-tabbed to look up something on the GW2 wiki. :P
Maybe it's only bad on CPU-intensive, very high framerate games or when streaming?
Now THERE's an idea for a video: RX/W6400 performance differences when playing (with external capture) and when recording.
edit: Hmm. So, from the sounds of things, the only differences between this version of the card and the normal low profile version really seems to be swapping the HDMI for another DisplayPort, the specific set of drivers being used and, of course, the price. Weird.
With cyberpunk or hitman 3, I am pretty sure your fps will be affected at least somewhat with the cpu doing the encoding in the background. If you had a cpu with an igpu, you could have used that to do the encoding instead.
I know you have made a general commentary on the subject several times but... how large are your hands exactly? They look like you could squeeze a basketball with one hand as if it were a stress-ball...
I got this used from a Craigslist guy for 89 bucks (haha) for my Amiga Case PC mod. I can only fit 1 slot LP GPU, so this is the only option I had, but I'm using it for retro games like DeusEx or Emulation so its fine. It's a cool little card. I would love to see a newer generation with the same specs, though.
Sometimes "pro" just means "for companies", not that any specific pro use of it will be made. It's ok that it doesn't have features for pros who actually need GPU power.
These cards usually just go into pre-built workstations because pro CPUs don't have integrated cards.
Some company is going to spend $3000 for each one of 20 PCs so... why should the PC maker put in an outdated underpowered option? What's $100 more for the buyer? These are a cooler and better alternative to the GT 710 category.
Actual changes from the RX are sober aesthetics, a quiet and power-efficient cooling setup, a low-profile option, the aforementioned chubbier price-tag and... a different name, so that a reassuring page for professionals will come out instead of UA-camrs playing games with the card (until now, I guess).
How does a PRO series card NOT have encoders?! AMD... what are you doing? On the flip side I have a little fleet of WX4100s and I am quite impressed with the lot of them. They are RX460 4GB equivalent and have h.265 encoding.
Yeah those old wx cards are great
will there be a 500k subs special video?
The Radeon Pro cards are designed for calculations , rendering, and modeling that why is it doesn't have the accelerated hardware encoding . it is designed for software like Solid works, Auto CAD programs, Blender , video editing software , Maya, etc .
"It doesn't work"
"70 pounds"
A true "professional" toaster!
Well, you got a deal. Odd deals are true gems sometimes...
The real disappointment with this one is the absense of ECC, as wel as some other "Pro" cards from AMD, would've been a really interesting card with that.
Are you going to check out the Forspoken demo?
Watching videos like this reminds me of how much better baked shadows were for low-end gaming, Dynamic lighting is great but when you turn it off, games look so bad, that Cyberpunk 2077 looks terribly flat, Even HL2 looks better than that because all it's lighting is baked.
It's really weird how this thing looks exactly the same like dirt-cheap GPUs such as Gt 210 etc.
Ha. I have heard that description about cards not working with the drivers installed and its the power supply.
Intended card use is OEMS padding profit margin. People don't know that on board video is good enough for most business purposes and the w6400 is isn't necessary to get video output.
Iol, you cut out the part where you died in fortnite 😂
They said that this can do VR, can you please test that?
I'm really suprised when they said it can do VR
Difference ... well, there is no much difference in architecture, in this case practically there is no any difference. In theory, professional chips are better binned, I don't know is this the case . Drivers ... professional cards get driver support for some professional programs (AutoCAD comes to mind) that allows more direct "talk" to the hardware. Although in modern times even vanilla gaming drivers for RX 6400 are good enough for these programs. Different display ports ... yeah that must be it 😁 My personal opinion : professional cards are slowly dying breed as there is no much justification to buy them over regular ones even for professional work.
Just look at that poor PCIE connector just beginning to have more pcie lane traces added.
I used to think the pro software drivers were older and had bugs found and fixed by gamers using RX card drivers but could have been wrong.
So you can do blender tenders with the 12 rt cores? But not as significantly fast, but still more so than a cpu would be on its own right?
As tbh I’d buy one of these alone for cyberpunk as my current laptop has as much vram and I am on quite the right budget myself
Refurb A2000 can be found on Amazon right now for $249 a LP rtx 3050 great deal right now.
Awesome sauce.
Would have loved a "6400 XT"... full Navi 24, but not with every bit of performance squeezed out of it/shit efficiency (6500XT).
LP models and no power connector.
Good to see low end part's can at least play a couple of games,because not everyone can afford the top of the range pc parts.
Yeah exactly:)
R9 Fury X with Nimez drivers when?
we bought a couple of these to try to beef up some underpowered xeon workstations and they did not noticeable improve light graphic design workloads. If anything, trying to keep the drivers updated conflicted with our corporate security suite (which is perpetually using system settings and drivers from 7 years prior).
Oh really? 😞
With PCIe 4.0, the bandwidth loss at x4 may not be that big, but whoever thinks of upgrading an old PC with it will look around if it only has PCIe 2.0 or 1.0... then that's a real bottleneck.... That's why I think it is stupid that the card only has x4. Otherwise great for Pc's with weak power supplies.
Don't understand the point of a "Professional" GPU without an encoder, and considering the encoder in RDNA2 gpus is quite good, it's a shame it doesn't have it. I don't understand what a professional would use this for, besides a display adapter. Even then a GT 1030 would be a cheaper choice.
Yeah I’m not sure either 😂
As this is for compact small form factor PCs. The only real comparison is with other LP low power cards.
why do they keep making full sized PCIe interfaces when they wire just for x4?
Using fsr in benchmarks is kinda unfair, it doesn't show the true power of the card by using fsr as a crutch
please do a review of rx6600 pro as well.
AMD FirePro W7100 8GB can be had for the same price you paid, would that not be the more capable desktop GPU?
You could probably mod it to run it passively, damn
Wow no video encoder. 😆 What is it for then. I guess just for vram to use on digital and 3d graphics software. But I assumed it needed video encoding for that. Guess I was wrong.
Can you make a undervolt video of hardware , cpu and gpu. with a msi. asus , asrock and gigabyte bios on intel core i7 and ryzen 5 2600.
How does this compare to other workstation cards eg. the nvidia T600?
I mean if you need a light duty card for an SFF living room PC you can't do much better. This is easily enough GPU for HTPC duty and emulation and should be enough to play many older games maxed at 1080p. Certainly anything less demanding than these very intensive games in the video should run quite well.
I would not recommend this GPU for sure, but surprising and interesting to see what these "Pro" cards can do in games. 🙂
Why is it that quadro cards in games are kinda bad but amd PRO cards do very well compared to nvidia? is it because of drivers?
I'd say results in spider-man are drastically different on w6400