How did Ashkenazim become White-Eligible? (Jewish Communities of Color Part I)
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2025
- First lecture in the Jewish Communities of Color series, looking briefly at the archaeological and biblical suggestions of color and then focusing on recent DNA studies of medieval Jewish remains, and discussing how Ashkenazim became white-eligible. Delivered via Zoom to the Beth Jacob Congregation of Beverly Hills CA on November 30, 2022.
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What history. Their conversation, and the stealing of Israel with the help of the united nations.
@@ejay1726 Hmm... modern Israel didn't exist until 1948, so it couldn't have been stolen from anyone. It was a British protectorate before that, and Turkish territory before that, go back several hundred years before that and it was under the Romans. Go farther back in time to the previous state of Israel it was a Jewish (or Israeli) nation. So there is no time when it was stolen. Maybe you should complain about the Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans, Muslims and Turks who stole it from the previous occupants.
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@@Frodojack IT NEVER WAS AN ITSREALIE[ BALFOUR AGREEMENT] NATION AT NO TIME IN TRUE-STORY VS HI$-$TORY!!! WE MUST STOP EQUATING CON-VERTING TO A REAL-LIE-IGION AS ETHNICITY!!! RESEARCH THIS CON-FU$$ION AND WHERE IT ALL CAME FROM!!! YOU WILL BE ENLIGHTENED
@@TwelveTribesForever You also have mental issues because that makes no sense at all.
I think this is very dangerous for the attempt to insert at 32:40 these neighboring people marry into this small group of Jews. What color was the small group, what tribe did they belong to. I ask this question because it's misleading. The other point is you take a defense move in stating that Jews were shipped to Rome and were slaves. This is pure speculation and no known sources to corroborate your story. If you have any sources to provide I will greatly appreciate it. This is not to my knowledge found in history. I think your trying to debunk the Hebrew Israelite stands that Deuteronomy 28 specifies those being sent away in ships were referring to Africans Jews being they were sent in ships. I think many white jews are looking for answers when confronted with this passage and now out of nowhere they find a grave and want to position the jewish people as the people in the scripture.
Josephus and Munter both write of the Jews being taken to Egypt by ships, at that time the Jews were brought to Egypt because it was controlled by the Romans.
Even at the Colloseum it explains that it was built by Jewish slaves, Josephus talks of how the Jews were paraded Before Titus in the Triumph. Where the tallest and handsomest Jews of over 17 were brought before Titus in Rome.
Again, both Josephus and Munter speak about the Jews brought to Egypt by ships in irons, and brought to 3 different slave markets because they could not be sold even for the price if a horse or donkey, I would be glad to show you where in their books,
@@rachelsamuel3328would love these resources.thanks
Why is the thought of Jews being slaves so impossible? Of course slaves after any war were taken.
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@@HenryAbramsonPhD I am not Jewish but I love listen to you and the modern story of Ashkenazim Jews is so beautiful.
You are a great teacher, Please continue the great work . God bless.
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I always enjoy Dr. Abrahmson's lectures. Sir, you always take the high road through some contentious territory.
Quite possibly your best presentation yet Henry.
Spoken from the heart, yet packed with much fascinating material.
As Ashkenazi myself and having lived in Israel for two years I was always amazed at the diversity of the Jewish people around me.
You answered many of the questions I had.
and you even see that in the samaritans where some of them are gingers and some of them look like indians
@@lookatmepleasesir
When my then 8 year old (now a Dad in his 40's) son and I planned and made a trip to visit the Holon Samaritan community, our Host was a striking redhead, as were other people we observed. So yes, redheadedness, and I must say, that distinctive redheadedness seen among Ashkenazim, is very noticeable among the Samaritans. I note as well, that back when my wife and I were dating, one of the girls in the group we socialized with as a Persian-Israeli girl with long red hair.
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Your videos are always well thought & illuminating. As a non-Jew & fellow human, wishing you all the best. Keep up the great work. Peace & love
One thing I really like is how you readily work with new research such as DNA evidence to come up with new and important conclusions.
Thanks! Definitely a challenge for us historians trained with other methodologies.
Study haplogroup E and you will find the Shemites and sons of Abraham
My family has returned thru conversion. We have tested 13 individuals from 9 different unrelated families from Alabama, North Carolina, Maryland, West Virginia, and Virginia. We did autosomal DNA which includes all related ancestors not just father and mother. We tested two black, one brown and the rest white presenting people who are from rural and long established families. Everyone came back Hispanic, Jewish and Native American. None had British DNA and very little western DNA except Iberia. We match South Africa, Northern Africa, the Berbers, Poland... everywhere the Jewish Diaspora is currently as well as Israel. Potentially there are 100 million people in the South East with Jewish DNA.
@@Melungeonpeople Wow! This is amazing.
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Im Black ànd Im Jewish. Bless you for you are à blessing to this world ahk
If you're black you are an Israelite, Jewish people are Gentiles
Wonderful topic, thank you! It makes sense to me since I had my dna done and Sephardi and Ashkenazi are both present as well as some Italian dna! Wow!
Italian makes much sense. Its so cool
You're like most humans: mixed.
@@busterbiloxi3833 most humans are not mixed… travel the world and you will see most people have never left their towns or villages ever whether they live in Africa Asia or Europe dna shows that a huge number are still 100% in dna
@@tahliah6691 yup. Mixed people are minority even in multiracial countries.
@@busterbiloxi3833 Most Humans are genetically homogeneous.
Fascinating! Thank you so much for compiling this and sharing it with us
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I am an Ashkenazi Jew and I think the thing that has makesb it hard for us now has been the fact that we parade as though we are "White" when in fact it is more accurate to say that we (Askenazim) are mixed. Some of us are as White as are contemporary Europeans and others are of Middle Eastern backgrounds.
We are not mixed except by halachic conversion. We are Semites.
Let's be real and use common sense...your biblical nationality is amalek period. WE READ NOW
@@951deuce what do you mean? You think that there is something called the the "Jewish Race" from a genetic point of view. Science is increasingly pointing out that all human communities are mixed. There are no pure races and there probably haven't been for thousand of years. Now, I;d like them do a study where they compare Neanderthal DNA in both Jewish and East Asian communities to see which communities have more Neanderthal admixture: Jews or East Asians.
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Knowledge hasn't a color, just as both truth and justice are color blind!
With regard to Moses, wife, her point of origin was given, meaning that she wasn’t Hebrew. However, if the Hebrews weren’t dark, then, when Miriam was cursed for speaking out against her brothers marriage to a Cushite woman, and she turned white, how can you turn white if you’re already white?
Numbers 12
9. So the anger of the Lord was aroused against them, and He departed.
10. And when the cloud departed from above the tabernacle, suddenly Miriam became leprous, (as white as snow). Then Aaron turned toward Miriam, and there she was, a leper.
11. So Aaron said to Moses, “Oh, my lord! (Please do not lay this sin on us,) in which we have done foolishly and in which we have sinned.
12. Please do not (let her be as one dead, whose flesh is half consumed) when he comes out of his mother’s womb!”
Probably cause They were tanner complexion and so during leprosy she became white as snow. Many white peoples are still way darker then the snow.
@@yanika388usa3,
Maybe because they looked like the rest of their bloodline of people.
Job 30
30. My skin is black upon me,
Lamentations 4
8. Now their faces are blacker than
coal;
Lamentations 5
10. Our skin was black like an oven
@@mch5887 I think Job 30 is using black for a metaphor for death and evil. sorry to burst your bubble. earlier in verse 26, yet when Looked for good, then evil came, when I expected light, then came darkness...my blackened skin falls away from me, the heat scorches my very frame.
Lamentations 4:6-8 in context. In verse 6: The punishment of the daughter of my people is greater than the penalty of Sodom, which was overthrown in an instant without a turning hand. Verse 7 Brighter than snow were here princes whiter than milk, more ruddy than coral, more precious than sapphire. then verse 8 "Now their appearence is blacker than soot, they are unrecognized on the streets, their skin shrinks on their bones, as dry as wood.
And for the record, I am now Jewish but find it interesting that many American sects are now telling the Ashkenazi Jewish people that they are not Jewish. I think the Rabbi here clearly showed that all Ashkenazi have as a founding population ties back to the Levant, which is where ancient Israel was.
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Wow thank you, I really like what you're doing with the channel!! This week's format was especially delightful
I always enjoy your lectures, they are always thoughtful, kind, and informative. I left Christianity 7 years ago to start practicing the Torah. I did not find out until several years later my ancestors were Crypto Jews, which explains my previously unexplained yearning for the Torah. I studied the Tanakh for several years independently and chose Karaite Judaism as a way to practice my faith, but when I tried to attend the only synagogue in my small town, which was Reform, I was told I was not welcome because “Jews must keep a gate around the culture.” It was hurtful because my ancestors fled Spain hundreds of years ago to practice our faith and were later forcibly converted by Spanish conquistadors in Mexico, making my ancestors “marranos.” To be told I’m not Jewish because I choose to keep Torah differently than rabbinic Judaism when there are Jews who don’t practice halakhah at all, made me feel a deep kinship to Uriel DaCosta for what he must’ve suffered. Lest our people forget, until Mashiach comes, we are still in the diaspora. So for those who are fortunate enough to know their Jewish history, have compassion on the ones whose heritage has been stolen from them, either by the Catholic Inquisition or the slave trade. The Torah explicitly commands kindness to the stranger, and one Torah for all. That might be because that “stranger” might actually be your brother. Shalom 🙏
My words of support to you are that it makes no difference what men do it is what you do before HaShem that counts. In some ways i can understand why some may be guarded in their belief.
However Torah also says Jewish people will be a light to the world and that people will enquire about these great laws, i think sometimes they/we miss that point. Thus it is wrong to be unwelcoming and in fact it is repeated throughout the Torah to be kind to Gerim, how much more if you already one of them.
Also how can you be marranos if it was through coercion and not choice.
Thank you for your words of support :) There’s a book written by a rabbi in New Mexico that describes the use of the word “marrrano” and the humiliation associated with it. The Spanish Inquisition was such a horror, but the tragedy of it has been lost with the passing of time. Imagine giving up everything you have to come to the New World to practice your faith only to be forcibly converted in horrific ways by Spanish conquistadors on orders of the Catholic monarchy. There are many of us who are trying to return, but the truth of who we are has been erased from us and we are unrecognizable as Am Israel, just as the prophets foretold. I had a cushy life as a Christian, now I'm shunned by Christians and Jews alike because I try to please HaShem alone. That’s a fate I wholeheartedly accept because of the Jewish soul that burns within me. It’s also a way to honor my loved ones who risked everything to practice their faith.
Whoever wants to be Jewish needs to accept the entirety of the Torah as is. Much sorrow so much lack knowledge but there is time to repair. rather than focus on upset, maybe focus on excitement to learn what you say ws taken from you. The Torah has commands with no explanation, it's a matter of faith. It's not a choice of what can be accepted or not. When you get to that level in your studies you will understand why it's so hard to be a Jew and if you wish to then accept the Torah as is, you will succeed.
@@gj-po9oy that is fair enough but i dont think that our sister has suggested she has rejected any part of the Blessed Torah.
The issue is feeling unwelcome. I recall in another thread elsewhere someone suggested some haredi particularly Ashkenaz ones would not even return a Shabat Shalom to someone they think is either not observant or not Jewish. Please note i say some.
Surely that goes against principles found in the Torah and the whole purpose of Jewishness. The purpose is not necessarily for converts but for everyone to know HaShem but being quite insular it may have the opposite affect.
The door is still open for you to come to Judaism. But Judaism is a communal religion, not an individual one. Joining a Jewish congregation means accepting the core norms and values of that specific congregation (with of course some room for variety of opinions and interpretations). In the same way that a Christian who doesn't believe in the Pope wouldn't join a Roman Catholic parish, one wouldn't join a rabbinic community if one didn't believe in the rabbinic tradition (which was the tradition your ancestors followed). Likewise, someone who aspires to Karaite Judaism would best be fulfilled by becoming involved in a Karaite congregation, as Karaism is not merely "Tanakh-only Judaism" but rather a long-standing community with its own specific traditions and practices.
Da Costa is a good example of someone who tried to return to Judaism but failed because he insisted on doing it on his own terms. Having been raised a Christian, he always viewed the Bible from a Christian point of view, examining it as an isolated text rather than the foundation of the living traditions of the Jewish people. He was outcast because not only was he never really able to lose this prejudice, he also tried to persuade other Jews to reject Judaism and adopt his novel interpretations.
I discovered Dr Abramson channel and I learned a lot of things about my own country history especially the role of Jewish communities. One mistake usually done in media is to present everything as an experience of oppression and discrimination and ignore the ways in which people cooperated and created things together.
your lessons are so so interesting! i’m so sorry you get nasty comments, we all appreciate you! i love how you use the torah as a way to analyze history
Thank you so much!
Truly strong presentation that covered a lot of ground - from Benjamin of Tudela's observations, the BHI movement in the US, and the bottom line of Ashkenazic origins and identity. And then focusing on what's most important - both truth and acceptance. An objective and grounded approach that is lacking in such discussions from most sides.
And yet the source he quoted which is in their literature says that their founders were converts. Sheeple will just listen and not actually do their own research he knew that lol shame on you
@@hiswillbedone642 Hey, appreciate your comment. Please provide the sources you're referring to in a link here, as I'm not clear what you're referring to. Thanks -
@@hiswillbedone642 Oh you mean that the Matrilineal line has Italian converts. Yeah I don't believe I, or he, disputed that.
Something interesting is that we find an even earlier Jewish presence on the Rhine. There are two fourth century documents by Emperor Constantine, one giving the Jews of Cologne the right to serve in local government office, and the other, permission for Cologne to build a synagogue.
Such an interesting presentation.
Thank you!
How would you explain it if it was translated as “I am black, and comely”
Right
that is not an Israelite being described. It is the Sulammite Slave girl. Not an Israelite. She explains that the Daughters of Jerusalem (Israelite women) looked down in her because she was dark. If they were dark, why would they look down on dark people?
Its better to quote apasuk we can do our own transportation.
@@rachelsamuel3328 is Ruddy "white" or is it something else?
@@rachelsamuel3328 She stated she was black and explained it was because they made her work outside in the field tending to the vineyards. So beyond complexion it was because she probably had pretty tough skin. Just like the "ruddy" complexioned shepherd boy who would become king.
I love these types of conversations because I spent alot of time wondering where I fit in as a Black Jewish women with a Jewish mother. I still feel that the part of my Ashkenazi side in being white assimilated, have adopted some white supremecy traits. Walking into a shul and being Black is still shocking to some and I can only pray that we all get over the shock behind our skin tones.
The Torah says you are what your father is not mother
@@hiswillbedone642 Just don't even
No such thing as a black or white jew. Its just Jew.
@@hiswillbedone642 Nowhere in Torah does it say that you are an Israelite/Jew because of the Father. It says your tribe is passed by the father.
@@hiswillbedone642 Please show where it says this!
This is interesting. But to say that the people of the scriptures look like the people in that part of the world today is a massive leap, but a common one
Glad you found it interesting.
What about European history books? They are very clear and accurate when describing what the people of the house of "judah" looked like when they were being persecuted in Spain and Portugal, and how they were sold as slaves into Africa.
I presume that you are something like a scholar, to be more accurate, I would say that you're scholar - ish, and you're very careful not to show or say too much about truth in what you're teaching, in other words, you are dancing and giving half truths.
☝️Mr. Smith is an excellent example of a Judeophobe
Please go to the UA-cam channel of *Ninety-three TV* Where he goes into all these descriptions.
G-d bless your commentary. It speaks to me and my longing for clarity of the past and all the long years since the dispersal which I have also studied. You fill in so many great details. My thanks for your work and the great value of it.
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Wonderful, informative video. Thank you, from Beersheva, Israel.
Love the spirit of your discussions. Bless you.
Something to interesting about Ashkenazim “The Ashkenazi (Eastern European Jewish) Egyptian community was entirely a product of the modern era and the arrival of Jews fleeing persecution in Europe in the nineteenth century. From 1865 on, the Ashkenazim of Cairo maintained a separate communal organization. They were geographically concentrated in the Darb al-Barabira quarter, where Yiddish was spoken in the streets until the 1950s. The community maintained a Yiddish theater group and a Yiddish program on the Egyptian state radio until the 1950s.[6] The more established and generally wealthier Sephardi community looked down on the Ashkenazim as social inferiors.” unfortunately can not post it with link source a message automatically removed
Henry gives such interesting webinars supported by remarkable facts from a variety of sources! Highly recommend Henry! 👍
Thank you for this fascinating topic!
Dr. Abramson:
The Jews coming from the Spanish Inquisition to the British Isles were "white" eligible. Except for when the gene for dark skin color came to the surface and all the way to the present day you were and are considered non -white. My father was incarcerated in North Carolina in a prison for Negros because of his dark skin. Skin color was usually the primary way of determining your race. This was very true in early twentith century when eugenics was a hot topic all over the world. You could lose and your family also everything simply because your skin color was a shade dark. I was amazed to find out that I was neither American Indian or Negro as I had been told. I do not have genetic structurings from either. Thank you for your lectures.
William Blake called Jews "black" though I don't think it was with necessarily negative connotations, more as a contrast to the English
What you explain has a very good sense. Thank you
Also so called black peoples are different complexions of brown. I have family members with hazel and green eyes.
....And he will dwell in the tents of Shem....(Genesis 9:27)
Abramson, can you please get a Biblical map and a Biblical Timeline? 24:15 The Kingdom of Kush in Northern Sudan had nothing to do with Ethiopia. Do you realize that we have DNA samples from Meroitic period? These people were originally from the Neolithic Levant Natufians, North African and East African admixture.
"4000-year-old hair from the Middle Nile highlights unusual ancient DNA degradation pattern and a potential source of early eastern Africa pastoralists"
Dear Dr. Abramson,
Thank you for this fascinating video!! I always enjoy learning from you!!
You are very welcome!
Numbers 12
9. So the anger of the Lord was aroused against them, and He departed.
10. And when the cloud departed from above the tabernacle, suddenly Miriam became leprous, (as white as snow). Then Aaron turned toward Miriam, and there she was, a leper.
11. So Aaron said to Moses, “Oh, my lord! (Please do not lay this sin on us,) in which we have done foolishly and in which we have sinned.
12. Please do not (let her be as one dead, whose flesh is half consumed) when he comes out of his mother’s womb!”
Thank you for this Rabbi, we need more unity and understanding. Baruch HaShem!
Question: As Ashkenazi Jews have some Italian ancestry, is it possible that Italians have Jewish ancestry? There were millions of Jews in the Roman Empire, what happened to most of them, they didn’t disappear, did they become Christians?
Before Mashiah comes, those "disappeared Jews" will return to the covenant. The house of Sepharad (Spain. Portugal) will be reestablished and they (Sephardic Jews) will inherit the south. (South of Jerusalem)
As an Italian jew, when it happens that I cross my path with a racist Italian (which is gladly not as often as some people might think) I simply say to take a DNA test. Because it's basically impossible for them to not have at least a couple of percentages of DNA that they wouldn't have expected.
So yes, there are a lot of Italians with either a little bit, or a lot of Jewish DNA and ancestry.
What happened to them?? Nothing happened, they continued to live throughout Europe. Have you never heard of Jews?
@@eliyahufogel You don't understand Alain's question. Some Jews in Sicily and southern mainland Italy were FORCED to convert to Catholicism after 1492. Only the Jews who escaped from those parts of Italy remained Jews. The answer is yes there are many Catholic descendants of Jews in southern parts of Italy today.
A great lecture and video Dr. Abramson, thank you so much, fascinating.
You are most welcome
Dr Abramson, I think this is one of your most fascinating lectures to date. I was aware that at the height of Rome's hegemony Jews were brought to Rome from within the Empire. Your narrative would account for the existence of an admixture, a trace, of "Italian" DNA in my family's ancestral profile. As a young man and avid reader of history, I must have been one of the first to read Arthur Koestler's 'Thirteenth Tribe' when first published in 1976. Little did I imagine then that Koestler's Khazarian thesis, now debunked, would be hijacked by a motley crew of antisemites out there...
The indian ocean/arab slave trade adds to that... color didnt matter. It eas rampant.
I’m really enjoying your channel and lectures . Thank you!
Thank you for your important work in preserving and educating this ignorant and bigoted world.
I’m Jewish of ashkenazi descent but wasn’t raised very secular due to my mother leaving when I was Seven . I came here to learn a bit
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80% in Exodus as Mixed Multitude. The biggest grafting in as well as the Jews/Tribal members who stayed in Egypt basically making God's promise to Abraham on speed mixing to achieve sands and stars population.
Where in the Torah does it say that Jews come in all colors and more importantly where in the Torah does it say that they are white?
19:12 I believe you fail to take into account later mixture with Persians, Turks and Europeans
Thank you for another fascinating lecture.
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@@HenryAbramsonPhD yesterday I used parts of this lecture to respond to some ‘Black Hebrew Israelites’. They inundated me with lengthy replies, which I intend to ignore. Thanks for the lecture.
Grateful for your love and acceptance and messages! ❤
There are some other aspects and studies which I think should be discussed. There are plenty of Levantine peoples whose skin colour is also quite pale, for example, plenty of Alawites, Druze and Samaritans, although not all.
Further, there's a study from 2004 which compares ancestry as we can tell it from DNA between different levantine groups, and especially many Jewish communities to that of the Samaritans, a nation whose own narrative, very much in agreement with the scholarly consensus about it, says that they are the descendants of the Israelites who were not *all* exiled by Assyria. The research pretty much agrees with the notion that Sephardic and Askenazi Jews are indeed closely related to the Samaritans.
That is, we have a nation who shares ancestry with Jews on account of both genetics and the record of their own history, completely native to the Levant unless we consider our bible's narrative about them, the way I see it, their appearance should be considered as well. Some of them do indeed look very "middle eastern", so to speak, but also plenty whose skin colour is on the lighter side, for example the Israeli celebrity Sofi Tzdaka.
In addition we do have colored paintings of Jews painting themselves from antiquity, as you surely know, such as the amazing painting in the synagogue of Dura Europas, and I'm positive that there are some Egyptian paintings who depict all kind of near east people from roughly the same period.
Lastly there are some ancient arts which depict nearby nations which are considered very close in terms of culture and indeed descent, for example the bust of the Carthaginian leader Hanibaal.
My point being, I think that the image you depicted about the original way Jews looked like was too simplistic and did not take into account some very relevant information.
PRESENT DAY LEVANTINE PEOPLE!?? WHO PASSED THROUGH THE AREA SINCE THE BIBLICAL RECORD!?? A BOER[ AFRIKKKAN IS NOT A ZULU] LETS BE COMPLETELY HONEST WHEN DEALING WITH THESE TOPICS!!!
Excellent lecture; learned a lot. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic webinar, thank you!
I'm glad that you enjoyed it!
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Very good presentation as always Dr. Abramson 😀
Although this is probably just piecing together a "best guess" out of what we have, I commend your efforts. The topic can be quite nebulous and fuzzy. Loved the wholesale luggage line! :-) As a great person taught me when I was young, take what you're doing very seriously but never take yourself too serious.
Ok right here Dr. Abramson. This is the discussion we're supposed to be having. Not one sided understandings. But thanks for actually talking about it. You know I Always come to your discussions first.
Dr. Abramson, when do you think Koren might publish that 3-part Jewish history you referenced in the video? I can't wait to get my hands on it!
Dr. Abramson had earlier estimated that Koren Publishers will publish his series in 2023, 2024, and 2025 and that the title might be "The Jewish People: A History".
I like rabbis because they are gentle, friendly, and intelligent. I am 49% Ashkenazi JewThis is going to be interesting.
I did my DNA through Living DNA I'm Ashkinazi by my Mom, she has red hair, from Siberia Russia, I am Okinawan Jewish, soon to become the first Okinawan Rabbi in Oct. 2023
I am Jewish on my dad's side and I can tell you from experience and observation Jewish people are not always treated as white people regardless if they are ethnic in appearance or just look white
This is very informative. I am very curious about Jewish history and this explains a lot. ❤From India.
I'm so glad that you found the video helpful!
This isn't Jewish history he's on true Israelites. Hebrews come from Land of black people. Not from any European nation especially Germany or Russia. It's common sense
@@LetsGoUSA
Israel never had black people, they have DNA studies on the Canaanites and they were not Negroid. They have DNA on the people in Ancient Israel from 6500 to 3000 BCE, about the time of Abraham, the study shows light skinned, blue-eyed blondes in Israel. Please show me the peer reviewed study that explains the Israelites were Negro?
Thank you so much Rabbi Abramson I always follow your lectures and I find it fascinating please keep up a good job May Hashem Bless you thank you again
There are many ways of looking at the topic of focus…. I am a well seasoned traveller and have visited the Cairo museum and what people see on line is not what is in the museum itself… eg the pictures of the ancient Hebrews and other tribes in Egypt of the time is not what is depicted in the video… the Hebrews depicted are dark brown skinned …. Not light skinned… we must remember we are talking about one of the hottest places on the planet for people to work out in the sun at such extreme measures… even the hair from the wigs in the museum are Afro in origin…
One thing I will say is that dna doesn’t lie… original Arabs were very dark skinned eg marsh Arabs were in most cases as dark as Africans…
Kush was not Ethiopia Kush is what we today call Sudan… Ethiopia did exist then as a country only as a continent…. Maps from the 16th century and before show evidence of this ….
We know that Europeans do not come from the region of today known as the Middle East (a misnomer) as this region is an extension of Africa known as Canaan….
Dna shows that Ashkenazi Jews are of European decent eg from Eastern Europe as do Sephardic Jews…. As said Jews can be any colour … we also have to look at blending or passing … an Ashkenazi Jew can pass or blend into European or western society … Jews of colour cannot…
Askenaz if part of modern day Germany not the same as the tribe mentioned in Genesis 10…as that tribe is under Japheth…
Viewing photographs of Jews and Arabs as far back as the 18th century shows eg Arabs as being dark skinned not like the Arabs today… as we know that most Arabs from today are mixed with ottoman and some European dna …. Quite a mixed multitude…
Skin colour doesn’t change over time unless it’s genetically altered by interrelationships…. Eg African people have maintained their skin colour and ethnicity since day dot with very little watering down unless slavery was involved … this is very common too in Asia and parts of Europe as dna highlights…
We don’t see Africans or Asians or orientals or Europeans changing colour unless as mentioned above…
Most ethnic communities didn’t move out of their villages or mix out as most of the world throughout the centuries are very tribal or fiercely tribal…
Judaism today is matrilineal but according to Torah it has always been patrilineal…
Also we mustn’t forget that if a group professing to be a Jew or a Hebrew believes in the NT or jesus then they are christians. Simple .
I would love to hear peoples opinions on what I have stated and I always like to refer to Torah or Tanakh as a back up too…
Interesting video
@Tahliah, mate do you stream worship service? If so pls share the sight.
@@jdm6613 sorry I don’t ….over the years whilst reading Torah and Tanakh I have found a lot of discrepancies in how Judaism is worshipped today…. Whether Conservative or Orthodox Judaism etc …. All the truth one needs in in Torah or Tanakh….eg Psalms 146 v 3 …. TMH states this for a reason as we will get lead astray Eg what stood out for me was the verse in Torah Exodus 12 v 38 where TMH spoke about the mixed multitude that left Mizrahim to go to the promised land…. I don’t know if you can private message me on UA-cam I could share more Information with you ? The truth will always set us free and closer to TMH
All of what you stated are facts!! I am white and I know the real Israelites are black!
Not true at all, the Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews are closely related to the Mizrahi Jews. They also have 70% Levantine DNA with about 30% of Southern European or Ancient Greco-Roman DNA. They show 50% of Canaanite DNA, after 2500 years of diaspora and the Canaanites were only living in Israel.
This is fascinating stuff. Thanks for sharing.
I grew up in a black Christian church that believes in the Sabbath and feast days. We do not preach that we are the original Jews. Some of the people I grew up with in that church have left to become Hebrew Israelites so I have more than a few that have tried to convince me that I’m Jewish or Israelite. I have never believed it and now that I’ve taken a DNA test I know I’m not. I still believe like I was raised but I don’t attend church as much due to the major support, by members and clergy, for BLM, modern black culture and liberalism/Democrat Party ideology.
A DnA test wouldn’t tell you if you are a Israelite or Shemitic. Unless you took a Y chromosome test or MTDNA test. A Great majority of Blacks decent from Shem and decent from the same people as Jews
@@Azaryahuyisrael , I will look up what you said and will even endeavor to take these tests but to be truthful to you my first reaction is, here the Israelites coming up with another excuse to hold onto false doctrine.
I’ve seen this man’s videos and he’s given more proof of real black Israelites, in ancient history, in watching the few minutes of his videos than Israelites have given me in the 50+ years y’all have been trying to convince me that we are the real Israelites.
@@derrillfloyd5571 Bruh, i'll leave these references with you.
The Critical Review, Or, Annals of Literature, Volume 57, page 141 (Published in 1783):
"King John II. In 1492, EXPELLED ALL THE JEWS to the island of ST. THOMAS, which had been discovered in 1471, AND OTHER PORTUGUESE SETTLEMENTS ON THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA; and from these banished Jews, The BLACK PORTUGUESE, AS THEY ARE CALLED, and the Jews in Loango, who are despised even by the very Negroes, are descended."
Sources of history in the Pentateuch, Pg.118, (1882) by Bartlett, Samuel Colcord, 1817-1898:
“Thus the BLACK color is found not only in individuals, as the black Jews of Portugal, but in tribes, AS THE BICHARIS on the Red Sea, whose hair and character are perfectly Semitic;”
And I got many more references documenting Black Jews all over Africa before the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade and colonialism. The Bible also supports this...
Zephaniah 3:10
"From BEYOND THE RIVERS OF CUSH my worshipers, MY SCATTERED PEOPLE, will bring me offerings."
If were being honest, beyond the rivers of Cush would be...Sub Saharan Africa....
@@derrillfloyd5571 well im not really trying to convince you. Im just telling telling the truth. In the Bible God made nations there is no son of noah named Negro.
Knowing so called Bantus or West Africans are Hebrews has nothing to do with your biblical doctrine
@@Azaryahuyisrael , 1) I have no biblical doctrine, God’s word is His word. Most importantly, saying things like, “Noah had no son named Negro.”, has been the kind of nonsensical stuff that has turned me off to your movement. Like I don’t know that Negro means black and has only been used in recent history just like Caucasian and the rest of these man made racial definitions.
I do believe know there are black Jews. This man doing this teaching has stated there are and were black Jews. The Bible says the Jews will be scattered throughout the nations. My thing is why is that so important when I’m going to be judged on the life I live and the vitriol toward Jews and whites is a turnoff. I grew up with whites that were like that and they had a lot of life failures and bitterness about themselves. Also because of that experience growing up and conversations with my elders who went through worse, I was never ashamed to be black and I don’t have a need to be nothing else but black.
Ok so y’all don’t wanna deal with Revelation 2:9 & 3:9 but what about the passage in the Deuteronomy 28:64-68?
Those passages are dealing with Black Israelites, they says they are Jews, but are not.
@@jamesr8584 😂 but that doesn’t make sense.
@@Davidz_Harp
BHI claims to be Jews but are not, it makes perfect sense,
The real Israelites are black! Jewish people a gentile convert.
I wonder about the Italian DNA mix itself in 800. I think there was a sizable Germanic admixture with the Longobardian invasions, but old stock Italian DNA was already pretty mixed, if I'm not mistaken, with some Roman, Gaul, North African, Eastern Mediterranean, etc...
Thank you for touching on this topic …
Thanks for addressing this topic. I would like to add some more points to take in consideration:
1. There a lot of examples of Middle Eastern people who are pale and can pass as white. there are many Christian Lebanese and Palestinians, Samaritans, Druze, Syrians and also Iraqis and more. Today the Middle Eastern stereotype is of an Arab looking person but we should remember that Arabs are originally from the Arabian Peninsula and during the Islamic conquests they had some mixing with the other peoples in the Middle East but it not the original look of the peoples in this area.
2. You mentioned Scarlet Johansson, which by Jewish law is considered Jewish but if we look genetic wise she is only half Ashkenazi Jewish (mother) and the other half (father) is Scandinavian, so I think that the paradox is that Jewish assimilation in the united states is a also a reason for a lot of antisemitism because really there are so many examples of celebrities with some Jewish ancestry that identify as Jews but genetically wise they are not fully Jewish and I think it can make a "whiter" image of Jew in the eyes of people who don’t know the Jewish people that well. Not that there are no fully Ashkenazi people that can pass as white but there are also tons of examples of Ashkenazi Jews that can pass as fully middle eastern. They have really a wide range of phenotypes and tones.
3. The genetic field is something that is still evolving and there are always new findings. I think there should be more researches about Middle Easterners because I think at the moment DNA researches and knowledge are mostly about Europeans and it might effect the results and the conclusion of researches. Italians, especially south Italians have also a middle eastern admixture which may affect the similarity between them and Ashkenazim.
4. I think that every group that promote hate shouldn't be accepted to the Jewish people. these Israelites should be treated the same as white supremacist. there is not difference to me. if skin color is the only thing that matters to them, they can go to #ell.
Dont kid yourself colour is everything...especially in western culture
Ummmmm…..having a Jewish mother makes you fully Jewish. Now you’re no longer ignorant. You’re welcome.
Even in a secular consideration, just like a person with one black parent and one white is still considered “black”, the same is true for Jews. The Nazis only cared whether you had Jewish ancestry. That is what made you a Jew, not whether you practiced the religion. And it never mattered to the Nazis of today, yesterday or to the Spanish inquisitors whether a Jewish person had one “European Christian” parent….they were still a Jew if they could find any Jewish ancestry. It’s the exact same philosophy as “not one drop” from Jim Crow.
Stop trying to erase people
@@m0ckingB1rd42 I think my comment was very clear. GENETIC WISE it doesn't matter if you only have a Jewish mother or a Jewish father. in both case you are only Half JEWISH. 23andme display it in the easiest way to understand. you have a pie and if you are fully Jewish all the pie is at the same color and if you are only half Jewish the pie is split into half by two different colors. Now YOU’re no longer ignorant. You’re welcome!
@@ASamuel89 wrong lol! That’s what you don’t get and that’s why DNA tests are never sufficient to determine whether someone is actually Jewish. 23 and me is a gimmick lol
Loved your video Henry, I'm half Maori and the other half is British, YDNA is R1b (I apologise what they did to your people). I spend three wonderful months on Kibbutzim outside of Bethlehem in my 20s over 30 years ago. So I take it that Ashkenazim jews are really Italian then but have a jewish heritage. I await comments. Kind regards, Roy
Glad this topic is covered. Last video someone trolled me in the comments for asking about DNA research following migratory patterns.
Not that I can't slay a troll 😄
i loved Mr Abramson's book about Maimonides writings on Teshuvá and his own reflections on the covid 19 during seclusion
Thank you for the positive feedback! I am glad that you enjoyed the writings.
Dear sir, I have a question for you. If you say part of the answer to "Jewish whiteness" is due to the fact that Jews living in Europe have been "whitened" through their long stay in the West, Is it possible that they were also darkened during their 400 years in Africa?
There is No proof of large amounts of Jews ever in sub-Saharan Africa,
@Prof Henry Abramson: I just subscribed. U have a new fan. 😊
Shalom 🙏🏾
Im a light skinned jew of ashkenazi heritage yet ive never passed as “white european”, just passed as a light skinned eastern mediteranean like greek, turkish, or lebanese.
You are a gentile
@@lanziemusic6739 You are the Gentile!
Avodah Zarah 11a, explain why this literature says the Kelonimos’s are converts. This totally debunks your Founder Event theory.
It's difficult for me to put all of these ideas into cogent and succinct thoughts because of the depth and length of history being talked about, as well as the intermixed and often conflicting ideas (such as race vs ethnicity). As a fellow Ashkenazim, I'd just like to say thank you Dr. for being a shining light as the Torah commands us to be, and your actions enlightening the world are a great mitzvah. I understood all of these concepts and knew the history well, but putting it so eloquently and showing the connections and dispelling the myths, is a great service because it helps not only my own argumentation against anti-semitism, but also gives me a wonderful video to show my good friends (and thereby bring more people into the fold of knowledge and truth).
I'm Black and I Love Israel 🇮🇱❤
And all of you my Jewish Brothers and Sisters if it wasn't for you all we wouldn't have the Holy Bible today God Bless Israel 🙏💖❤
Minor correction to "As a fellow Ashkenazim,".
The "im" suffix in Hebrew makes a word plural. So an individual can be a "fellow Ashkenazi" but not a fellow Ashkenaz *im* .
@@grasmereguy5116Thankyou for the correction.
@@jackdoe8000 No prob, sorry if you were aware of it, but I see people often making that mistake (often with "goy/goyim; so often I see people say or write things like, "How would I know, I'm just a goyim") and at least other people will know.
@@devintaylor8702 your not black mate, give it up
Is there a place we purchase a book on his travels? Is Benjamin of Tudela the one known as the Jewish Marco Polo?
I am Jewish/Hebrew of colour and found this a topic of fascination for years whilst looking at the world around me whilst studying Torah and Tanakh and in this topic Jews of African decent are very much discriminated against in not just Judaism but the world at large.
Even though race isn’t an issue in the eyes of TMH it’s always been an issue amongst people especially of people who are ‘white’ against those who are not….. I’m not saying that people of colour cannot be racist… but getting to the facts… in Exodus 12 v 38 it is stated that A mixed multitude left Mizrahim to go to the promised land…. That tells me that the Hebrews leaving Egypt in Africa were from different tribes located in that region at the time being mistreated by the Mizrahim….
We cannot ignore the fact that in the world we live in people are primarily judged by the way they look or their skin colour… especially in the west..
To make life easier I would define people in this world as being of African South Asian Europeans or oriental or mixed in origin… we all fall into one of these categories…. Whether we like it or not.
I don’t use the black and white or yellow to describe people as I find it racist .. colonialistic and not correct…. Afro people are not black …. They are infact many shades of brown to be precise….TMH identifies people by tribes…
Therefore …. I would agree that Hebrew or Jews can be any colour…. TMH didn’t have an issue with whom Moses Joseph or Abraham etc married outside of the tribe as long as the women converted be the children are raised according to the laws etc of TMH.
I pondered how to respond to your comment. Put it this way; orthodox or conservative "Jewish folks" in the public media often say when prejudices and inhumanity are identified among the Jewish community " oh that may be a minority" but every synagogue I've gone to, whether in the Americas, Africa, Kenya in particular, or UK, the prejudice has been palpable, and of course one of the first questions you get ask is "did your parents convert or did you?" or words to that effect. It's clear to me that "white" racism is inherent in orthodox Judaism, particularly Ashkenazism. This is MY EXPERIENCE.
Great lecture sir!
Also with respect to genetics, you failed to mention the fascinating and clear differences between patriarchal and matriarchal DNA. Why?
You're right, there are differences.
Why did he not talk about it?
Probably because the female converts to Judaism are no longer culturally relevant, in his view.
Maybe because it would've made the topic even more complicated and this video a lot longer.
We shouldn't always assume nefarious ulterior motifs.
Also, he doesn't look like the "women aren't relevant" type of guy.... at all.
@@magnumopus1628 Yes, and yes.
And yes.
I didn't mean it that way, but I think that in the eyes of most Jews, they do not ascribe much, if any, value to their natively Italic and natively Hellenic heritage.
I've only heard them concentrate on their Hebraic and Middle Eastern heritage, even if they developed various Jewish rites while in Italy and Greece (and later France + Germany).
On the whole, we are a very Italic and Hellenic peoples. It's often overlooked.
@@magnumopus1628WTF? who talked about nefarious motives?
@@emmanuelgoldspleen2905 Italic/Balkan only on the X chromosome, and only about 40%
Excellent lecture. Thank you!
The skin naturally over time becomes lighter the further north you live. The exception being Prince who was purple.
I agree, but melanin never just goes away or completely fades out. It must be bred out. That is the only way.
@@undernewmanagement3561 well, if you look at ALL Ashkenazim together, half of them have olive skin and i know some who are straight up light brown. So id really say half of them are pale white. Some famous Ashkenazim who are olive skinned : Melissa Lantsman, Sacha Baron Cohen, etc. Also, Levantine people in general, many of them are pale white. And are from there just look at Syrians, even Palestinian Ahed Tamimi. Lol. Nuance exists :)
The skin becomes lighter when you mix with the local populations, like the Ashkenazim did! What is good.
😂
Mental gymnastics 🤦🏾♂️
Beautiful lecture
I'm glad that you liked it!
You only get 50% of each parents’ DNA. Which DNA you get from them is random.
You are nicely groomed and Charismatic in your disposition.
For your Henry..Daniel 11 vs 14
???? The king of the North. The Assyrians.against the King of the South (Southern Kingdom) So??????
the children in the photos you showed that are arabs...They're fair-skinned because there's been a lot of mixing with europeans at this point. in ancient times they almost certainly were less fair in complexion and hair color.
How do you know?
GENESIS 10-- Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of ***Japheth;*** Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer; ***Ashkenaz,*** and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 By these were the isles of the ***Gentiles*** divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Yes, it’s all there. I don’t understand their denial of these historical events. Total imposters!
The fatal flaw of your logic is that Ashkenazi has nothing to with with Ashkenaz the son of Gomer. As in all BHI, verses are corrupted to fit the narrative.
@@chrisper7527
When you understand Ashkenaz refers to a geographic location where Jews the descendants of Jacob settled, then you will know the real imposters, you know like Kanye. Sorry, but that is real history.
It's all there! They are in denial 🤣🤣🤣🤣 they are gentiles, God made a covenant with Israelites, and they are black!
@@lanziemusic6739
Okay, then John 8:44 applies to them.
Brother Abramson you have given me so much of great great information impossible to be gelled by a pedestrian researcher like myself. Thank you.
A question… Esther 8:17 suggests that many non Jews in the 127 provinces from Ethiopia to India BECAME JEWS via conversion…. Is it possible then that a large number of the 15 million who claim Judaism as their very own faith MAY NOT be of the Abraham, Isaac, Jacob BLOODLINE but rather monotheistic god fearers that EMBRACED Judaism? Please offer me your views, as you see appropriate…
I enjoy almost all your teachings, including this one, which I think is a very important topic. However, I hope to see some Jews of Color guest lecturing as you move through this series.
Geneticists and Historians would be good to also have on.
@@padillas4357 Isn't Dr. Abramson a historian?
@@SaraMastros Sort of. He usually does Biography as history, from what I understand.
Excellent video, thank you.
You are welcome!
Thank you Professor for putting this revisionism of history to rest.
Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi aside, how does one identify Jew DNA? Is there a JEW DNA? How does it differ from “white” DNA? If the DNA of Jewish people markedly identifies with non-Jewish white Europeans, then how did they become Jewish? Are we to look at oral and Tanach/Bible/Torah accounts only? Should we ignore recorded history as a whole and rely solely on tradition and emotion? Do we rely on ancient artifacts depicting events which questions the existence of “white” Jewish peoples in Egypt? Should we accept the notion that “white” Jewish people IS from the “middle east” and is far removed from Europe but only migrated there, yet they have no kin to the modern people of the “Middle East”? Why do the ancient Jews in Africa comprise more Priestly Jew DNA than Ashkenaz, Sephardi, and Mizrahi? The thing is that: there are a lot of questions that needs to be answered. We can not just accept Jewishness based on what we know without clarity. We need to rely on science, then use DNA to make the connection to the biblical/Torah accounts. Is money wealth their God?
See the study titled,*_"A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans"_*
For easier reading the article about the study titled, *_Ashkenazi Jews Can be Identified at 100% Accuracy by DNA Tests_* in the July 22, 2015 *National Vanguard*
Finally someone is talking about this. Being thought of as Irish ☘️, most of my life, I found it a bit annoying ( nothing against the Irish) lol. My Sister was mistaken for being Swedish smh 🤦♀️
Love your channel bro
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This has always confused me. Doing ancestry research there is almost always a category for race. Since Jews are viewed as a race I never understood why they are not counted. It would help to determine the progression and inclusion in communities. I don't know how that is done. This helps to clear that up.
I always thought that because of the Holocaust, Jewish people do not want to recorded on any census as a race. Anonymity is next to longevity.
I just watched a video from this same rabbi saying jew is not a race nor religion....it's funny listening to him claim they came from Sara and Abram with no more references yet ignores ashkenaz in the biblical sense and how he comes from Japeth which means "roamer" or "traveler". And Shem being the root of "semetic" people's means biblically jews are from Japeth according to what I gather
@@myaccount3402 Rabbinic literature used biblical names to refer to regions around the world. Ashkenaz refers to Germany, the region where Ashkenazi culture developed. Ashkenazi Jews don't descend from the biblical Ashkenaz any more than Americans descend from Amerigo Vespucci.