Palestine Talks | In conversation with Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro on the origins of Zionism
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- In his second appearance on “Palestine Talks,” Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro discusses the troubling psychological origins of Zionism and how it actually reproduced, rather than turned against, anti-Semitism. This would later be reinforced by prominent Zionist figures such as Vladimir Jabotinsky, who expressed utter disdain for Jews who adhered to the Torah, including its principles of non-violence and respect for human life, while promoting cruelty as a “virtue.” Undermining this requires - in Rabbi Shapiro’s view - that Zionists themselves undergo “deprogramming.” This involves them coming to see how they have been falsely indoctrinated as to what Judaism is, as well as how that has led them to engage in unnecessary violence for Israel. For Rabbi Shapiro, a Jewish state is actually a “liability” to the Jewish people.
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“The biggest insult to the memory of the Holocaust is not denying it, but using it an excuse to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people.” - Norman Finkelstein
Norman Finkelstein is very refined person and shows his humanity by criticizing a kind of apartheid and terror regime that makes headlines for many decades: Zionism and the intentional destruction of the Palestinian people!
All this despite the tragic history of his parents who were victims of the holocaust!
100%
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Qualifying zionism of Judaism is another great insult to religions.
Right or wrong, the credit of good will to the people of the Holocaust is just about used up in many people's mind, especially the young. Sadly history is not well taught, history of Islam and its texts would if well known, lead to an entirely different understanding of what is going on.
Thank you Rabbi Yaakov I'm a man and, I want to thank you for your brilliant explanation of the problems we are facing, affecting us all non-Jewish people alike, I can only hope we can put our egos aside and have the courage to admit that we have all been mislead
@@familiedattel-playmobil looking for excuses ?
Everything he said is absolutely on point. I have come to believe that all humans living today are suffering from some type of trauma, whether learned or experienced. This topic, in particular, shows this to be vividly true. Thank you for this interview!
As a German, the description of Zionist Youth as "strong and cruel to their enemies" really sent a shiver down my spine. Those ideals were drilled into the heads of my great-grandparents. We know what happened next.
yor name is elias as arab christen you should than the Jewish state for protecting your people
As a Jew, this guy’s description of Zionist Youth is total and complete fiction.
I really want to know who is paying him, because we know what’s going on in the Islamic world and how get have indoctrinated their youth with toxic hatred.
Blaming Israel is a convenient scapegoat.
This rabbi is simply ignorant and really does not know much about Zionism. His quotes are out of context.
@@Arielcommenting LOL you're coming across as a BOT. Rabbi Yaacov Shapiro (no relation to RABID Ben) wrote one of the most insightful books on Zionism: The Empty Wagon. And in addition there are many reputable Jewish historians worth their salt who share similar ideas.
@@Arielcommentingthats a load of no sense right there.
Listening to this interview for the second time. It is so information- dense. Shapiro clearly lays out philosophical, historical and psychological aspects of Zionism and critiques Zionist ideology in a detailed and honest way. What an illuminating conversation. Thank you Yaakov and Paul.
I was in a religious cult for 15 years, and I understand EXACTLY what this Rabbi is saying. What shocks me is that so few cult experts and psychologists speak out about how Zionism operates like a cult. That really, really shocks me. It’s blatantly obvious, yet it remains a minority view.
I was also influenced by a cult for many years. Learning about the psychological dynamics of cults helped me to unravel those influences. I also found this interview very compelling because of the cult mentality of Zionism.
It’s the minority view because most people don’t research nor think. They just do… you however are correct! In fact it derives from free mason, and peganism. Let’s just say their god is NOT THE ABRAHAMIC GOD.
I have never been in one but I’m familiar how they seem to work and I’ve been saying the same thing the last year with the more I discover about zios.
I always call it a cult.
So-called cult expert Steven Hassan is himself a Zionist and totally blind to this aspect of Zionism. Which I find interesting.
As an apostate and antizionist Jew with a Modern Orthodox unbringing I gratefully concur with the rabbi's history and understanding 100%.
Same here except Conservadox
How can I be sure enough to be an apostate ?
As a devout Muslim, I want to express my gratitude and reaffirm that I would never allow harm to come to my Jewish brothers and sisters. Most Muslims share this sentiment. You are the closest to us in tradition and heritage-our cousins in faith and humanity. And we will live together in peace once again. Hashem Is great.
@@ahmedzaki9434 May Allah guide them as well as all of us ameen
None of us are righteous - I too am an apostate Evangelical and cry out to Hashem for forgiveness.
@ I am not sure but you may have misunderstood me.
Dear Rabbi in this chaos on this planet you are a gem may Allah protect you may we benefit from your intellect Ameen
Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro. "Allah? Planet? Are you tryna be cute, son? Don't you know that earth, is measured flat?"
A Righteous Jew - much respect and awe for his hard work over the decades. Thank You!
Paul Salvatori deserves an award for having Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro in this interview.
Thank You for featuring Rabbi Shapiro , excellent interview . Very helpful in understanding the history and political events regarding Israel and Zionism.
The sincerity of the guest can be heartfelt, What a conversation, what a guest, Thank u Paul Thank TRT.
I've noticed less people are allowing themselves to be provoked into an online argument in the comment section. Many come on here to lie about Palestinians, to get a reaction and have a back and forth. I smile to myself when no one takes the bait. God bless the humanitarians. Love to you all ❤
Great point
@Ashamaali less and less are taking the bait 🙂
Lie about Palestinians? You're implying something but saying nothing.
Perhaps the so-called provocation is a demand to drag forbidden topics out into the open and address long unhandled injustice. The permavictims can no longer hide behind the modern fables invented to divert the spotlight.
Perhaps the so-called provocation is a demand to drag froibbden topics out into the open and address long ignored injustice.
What an excellent interview. Rabbi Shapiro speaks with great clarity, going straight to the heart of the matter.
This talk brought so much more clarity, watched it in one go, thank you!
This was incredibly helpful, I couldn't stop listening. very informative. thank you Rabbi Yaakov.
This was very eye-opening and through this lens, you have COMPASSION for those going through trauma. I love Israel, but as a Jew, this rabbi makes so much sense. I don’t know about the accuracy of all his references and his interpretations as I’m not as a scholar, and don’t need to be. The main idea of what he says feels right to me. The issue is, like any religious or ideological group of people, including political (both left and right - “vote blue no matter who” or “vote red till you’re dead”), the kind of deprogramming required is perhaps the most difficult of all difficulties this planet’s survival faces.
This was the best explanation of Zionism I have ever heard.
More honest ones would disagree... they say there is no ionism without you daism and it comes from there. The phenomenon wasn't called ionism until it became a worldly movement from religious text. This man is a serious dexeiver.
Exactly 💯 me too
So, Beitar is Jabotinskis Hitler Jugend...Even before nazism, as I understood it. Shocking. Doors into new insights allways open when Shapiro speaks. He is a treasure vault of knowledge. Thanks to both Shapiro and the good host Paul Salvatori.
Rabbi Yakov is unironically one of my favourite men to listen to on Zionism, Israel and Palestine.
I'm so glad I listened to this it was worth every minute of my time.
Absolutely briliant interview. Thank tou.
Therapy?
They need to be charged and brought to trial
You'll bring 12 years olds to trial? lol that's no better than the IDF crimes.
Who is they, and for what?
You'll put a whole nation on trial? You mean Netanyahu and his helpers should be held accountable for warcrimes and punished, right?
Who is they ? You are that kid from a school who needs the lesson to be repeated several times out loud 📢😂
The people responsible for the apartheid state in Palestine
I love this interviewer, & I said it before & I'll say it again...I could listen to Rabbi Shapiro for hours. They both have nice accents & voices too.
Jesus is the Lord! No priesthood no messiah! It doesn't matter what he thinks!
@ChristopherNicholasMakarov4120 I never said either of them are messiahs, What are you on about?😒
People with emotional intelligence always make the best conversations 🙂
@JenJams1 Absolutely! And ppl whom are genuinely interested in creating community thru enlightenment. It's approached with empathy, clarity, and eloquence of emotion.
The sword was the tongue 👅 of the believer of God and the words of truth of a warrior. The Musa'lims understand the word the Qur'an as the word of Torah, as reading the same book and word of The God, Lord One, The Lah, The Yud, ❤
An incredible human being. Verry rare and precious discernment with a clear vision of what is the difference between spirituality in religion and insecure obsession for power.
Good to hear there this open minded and well articulated view on what being Jewish is all about. He will probably be called a self hating Jew or even antisemite by zionists.
A great Dutch Jewish man, who actually had survived the concentration camp and founded the Dutch version of "Not in our name" called "A different Jewish Voice" once said: "In my days an antisemite was someone who hated Jews. Now an antisemite is someone Israel hates".
Wow what an amazing talk! I have shared it with lots of people and I hope I can find more reflections by this wise man!
Rabbi Shapiro is a remarkable historian. So much respect and admiration for staying true to objective history and for “putting the ethics before the ethnic” (quote from Dr Norm Finkelstein)
It's too bad more people dont see this....I believe this man's message might alleviate a lot of the social tension we are all experiencing now
I am a Muslim and I am very very sorry for all the trauma our beautiful Jewish people endured for generations. I feel so sad for Zionists. I wish they could solve their image problem in an other way. But this man in this interview has the best image an human can ever have. Thank you! May God protect the righteous Jews from all kinds of bad situations, trauma and bullying. May God heal them and continue to favor them as his favored ones.
Rabbi Shapiro is a religious scholar worthy of the respect of all of us. He speaks the truth and nothing but the truth! Huge respect for the man!
This needs more views.
Wow. Me having a very short attention span...I watched the whole 1h20m. Thank you Yaakov and Paul
A Righteous Jew - much respect and awe for his hard work over the decades. Thank You!
Thank you for having the courage to stand for truth - I bought your book The Empty Wagon- it’s hard to put down!! I am so grateful! How can I support the work of Rabbi Shapiro? I’d like to donate !! Please!!!!
JusticeTo Palestin.
He gives some great insights!!! Sadly the western media won't publish things like this
Sadly people still count on mainstream media
Ty for the upload . Rabbi Shapiro is one of my very favorite Americans .
Thank you Rabbi Shapiro!!!!! You are my sunshine.
More people should see this video. More people should absorb and understand this video. A lot of the gripes and anger that people hold would be quelled if we had more understanding. It did for me.
Both houses in the US gov't should see this video.
Everyone should watch this.
My Hero, RABBI SHAPIRO
I could listen to this guy forever.
Thanks TRT for hosting this ! !
I will admit to being nearly illiterate about why those in Israel have become so cult-like, so singularly hateful toward Palestinians, even to teach this to their children. It has been so sad and shocking to hear the young zionists repeating hate that justifies killing. All this from a people who I understand to love learning, value moral behavior, eschew violence, etc.
This interview has given me some understanding and so much to think about. I am greatly appreciative.
i'm neutral in the original israel everything, but for u to make generic descriptions about palestinians is useless if u trying to truly support their situation which is so tragic. 25 years ago their leadership made an insane pathological decision against the fantastic deal in '00. The only reason a person could turn that deal down is if he was steeped in true blood-libel primal primitive violent willpower. Palestinians have been led for 25 years by deeply immoral incompetent men. That's a fact. Fwiw, i grew up with some gulf states arabs and north africans who were foreign college students here in my american family home, so i know a little bit about all this.
I am very much impressed with the Rabbi. I am informing, and revising, my opinion on these issues. Excellent conversation. Thank you, Rabbi.
Thank you for your insights Rabbai, I hope to see an end to Zionism soon so both Israelis and Palestinians live in peace.
I greatly appreciate and admire the depth into which Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro takes his listeners each time I hear him explain Zionism vs. Judaism.
I have used his clear and concise expository method of explaining this without the need of raising ones’ voice or getting all agitated about sharing the truth.
Being a “Born-again” Christian and student of the protestant bible since my first reading of it 33 years ago. I was born-again of the Holy Spirit in my first reading of the book of Romans chapter 7…. Oh, wretched man that I am, who will save me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through my Lord, Jesus Christ!
How I wish someone in the Christian community would take Robbi Shapiro’s wisdom and apply it to the state and condition of most contemporary churches today, to expose how we have had our own “Identity” crisis to the point of “Identity Theft!”
We no longer hold Sunday as a special day; a carryover the Jewish Sabbath. We come dressed in everyday attire as if we’re going shopping at Costco or the beach or park. We come into our praise and worship with a pastry in one hand and coffee in the other. (No room to bring in a bible). But that’s okay, Christ will understand; after all, that's why He bled out and died for us, so that we can enjoy pastries and coffee on the Lord's Day........
We invite the world into our gathering behind the guise of the “Urban Mandate” to invite believers, seekers, and skeptics into our worship. What?
We are commanded to go out to the world with the gospel, not bring the world into our worship in the Father’s house!
PALESTINIANS are dying for their RELIGION, LAND, DIGNITY
Thank you Rabbi Yaakov! I learned so much.
Another banger from the Rabbi. This guy is clearing my confusion.
Thank you so much for this video that did my old Jewish soul in a shicksa body so much good! I live in France where Establishment Judaism represented by the official grand rabbin has aligned completely with the STATE of Israel. Not many French know anything about Judaism (or Islam for that matter). If Rabbi Shapiro speaks French, please ask him to come to France!
facts and reality,
What an excellent interview. Rabbi Shapiro speaks with great clarity, going straight to the heart of the matter.
Free Palestine river to sea
At 8:30, he hits the nail on the head: 'Overcompensation.' Zionists have a Messiah complex. Every Zionist believes that he, she, or it is the Messiah. However, they fail to understand that the sacrifice God truly desires is the sacrifice of selfishness. Instead, they sacrifice others, as if offering a calf, seeing Palestinians as human sacrifices on the pyre of their god, Molech. Zionism worships Molech, not YHWH.
Do you know who yehweh is? If not here’s some real history: he is a god like Zeus (a Greek god, lowercase) he is worshipped by pegans… the same people that worship gods like isis, Osiris, Ba’al… all gods (lowercase) aka:demon gods. You should actually do some research before you make claims like this unless you are a pegan, and in that case i apologize i don’t mean to offend your gods… I just assumed you believe in GOD (with a capital G) not a bunch or idols and old gods that Hindus worship
This is the strangest take I’ve ever heard. Nobody In Israel is burning Palestinians to Molech, they are stealing their land because they believe it is theirs by divine right. It a nationalistic, supremacist skew of Judaism.
I have appreciated following Rabbi Shapiro.
This was simply amazing. Very interesting ❤
Very good interview. So much information that helps me understand Israel's goal and the shaping of their ideology.
The Palestinians are probably more closely related to the Israelites of the Bible. That lot in Israel are mostly European. Just like they converted to Judaism, so the Palestinians converted to Islam.
Thank you so much for your wisdom and enlightenment 😊😊😊
Very insightful interview. Thanks.
Many many thanks Rabi Shapiro. Very enlightening and educational. 🙏🙏🙏
A Righteous Jew - much respect and appreciation for his well researched work over the decades.
Thank you for your honesty.
PEACE UPON HUMANITY WITHOUT ZIONISM AND ONLY THE TRUTH PREVAILS,THANKS FOR YOUR HUMANITY, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RESPECTING THE JEWS , ALL HUMANITY. THEY ARE OUR COUSINS. SO THISE WHO THINK SOMETHING ELSE ARE JUST LIYING.
PEACE UPON HUMANITY WITHOUT ZIONISM AND ONLY THE TRUTH PREVAILS
Great interview as always. Thank you!
Rabbi is a decent man
This guy cuts through all the propaganda like a warm knife through butter. His best idea is the notion that it's better to live for your country not to die for it.
You obviously don't understand judisem and jewish thought.
You really can't see the forest for the trees. Listening to someone talking about the roots is very informative.
Thank you Rabbi Shapiro and Palestine Talks.
Love rabbi shapiro, he explains the whole zionist mess from a jewish perspective perfectly
Thank you for the History lesson.The World needs more Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro.
The Zioists don't just want to take Palestine but all regions "from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River", according to the original Zionist phrase. Netanyahu has announced it, and produced his map at the UN, for decades. One of the earliest times was before the Oslo Accords, I forget whether it was 1997 or before. Somewhere between '92 and '97.
Edit: most recently September 2023.
ישראל צריכה לבקש מאלוהים סליחה
Thank you very much to the Interviewer to let the Rabbi talk and explain the Arch his understanding spans around time and meaning
Thank you Rabbi Yaakov
I admire your deep culture and how you explain these crucial concepts
Thank you for this valuable video. I am sharing it, and hoping others will too.
Excellent, thank you!
Just started reading Rabbi Shapiro’s book, “The Empty Wagon.” I recommend for anyone interested in this topic. bit challenging due to Hebrew and religious references, but it’s worth it.
Breathtakingly illuminating, thank you rabbi Yaakov !
If as he said Zionism is prepared to sacrifice even Jewish people for it to survive then this Rabbi is very brave to come out and criticise Zionism … bravo. The clip was educational from my point of view thank you Rabbi 🙏
Respect for this Jew. (I am a Muslim )
Great breakdown, wish they would have him on more long form podcasts.
I like yiu innocence
A profound interview that gives a lot of insight. I feel deeply for our jewish community. I wish them the best ultimately.
Thank you !
Somehow all Jews around the world need to come together and sign a global petition to stop the war and free Palestine 🙏
rabbi you are a shining example of a true torah jew may god uplift you and shower you with his blessing , dont let zionist steel your religion keep speaking out i am an arab muslim and 90 % of my close friends are jews have always had jewish friends cant think of a time when i didnt.
Dreams of a greater Israel are OVER!
Hope so!
unsuspecting people should hear what they say in private
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Wow. This clarifies so much.
It fits right in with what Tanihisi Coates says about the trauma of slavery too.
It’s funny because IOF blames Haredi jews for their failure in the current wars because they need more soldiers to fight!
Yeah they correctly say they won't fight for a secular state. It's not biblical
God bless you Rabbi Shapiro
I remember this interviewer from something a few years ago. He was really good. Maybe it'll come back to me.
This interview needs to reache Candice Owens. She has the bigger platform this man needs to get.
Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro is a true Jew who knows God and truth. 🙏🙏🙏
This was wonderful.
Very helpful to understand -- a telling synthesis, full of insight, especially for an outsider.
“Psychology is the most powerful religion: it turns doubt into bliss. As weakness engenders not humility but arrogance, this new doctrine enjoys great earthly success and lords over all other creeds and cults.” - Karl Kraus, 1874-1936
I think 'rehab' is more accurate
Dezionized.
This is a neutral comment. A passionate opponent of a group speaking to and for other opponents of that group is not a place you are going to get true, accurate and unbiased information about them. But that is what this conversation is.
Enlightening explanation of who we are, thank you
I majorily agree with him and understand how he feels about Israel using Judaism as a shield and as an excuse to create the state of Israel. The only thing that makes me nervous is the lack of mention of the native people of the land as agents of their land.
I can't argue against this very knowledgeable scholar but I'd like to pose a question which also serves to indicate my position: Weren't these early Zionists all faithless people?
It's not like they chose a path of action that resulted in then losing their faith. They already had none therefore them choosing to morph Judaism into an ethnicity takes on a whole other meaning which goes against the premise of the discussion (which is that the early Zionists were making any choices at all especially one were they decided to overcompensate for shortcomings).
It's challenging to say exactly what's on my mind but I guess I'm trying to say that those people wanted to retain their Jewish label even though they had lost their Judaism. Does that make sense?
Many Jews in europe were treated as a separate ethnic group regardless of whether or not they were observant of religious customs. Simply by virtue of having their own cultural traditions outside christianity. My Jewish ancestors from Lithuania were non-kosher butchers, but they still very much identified as Jewish. Its a complex identity with many different nuances and sometimes contradictions.
Like he explains at the beginning. The first zionists tried to become non jews, but the anti semites wouldn't let them.
Fascinating discussion!