Konfrontasi: Indonesia and Malaysia Go to War - Cold War DOCUMENTARY
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Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with a video on Konfrontasi - the 3-year-long military conflict between Indonesia and Malaysia.
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Our Malaysian school textbooks kinda simplified the 'Konfrontasi', hence this comprehensive documentary showing how really complex the event actually is, untangling the events chronologically, and analysis from a neutral POV, is very, very much welcomed.
Even in Indonesian only appears in 2 paragraphs
@@kerjakita2609 That sounds way shorter than the textbook that I found 😳
@@kerjakita2609 Yeah, man, so unfortunate. Quick question, have you ever found a school textbook that contains detailed information regarding Indonesia's history 1949-onwards?
Personally, I never did. Well, maybe I'm too quick to judge, because I'm only an 11th grader. But, I never did nonetheless. I mean, what the hell, you know? I learn more about Konfrontasi, RIS (Republik Indonesia Serikat), PRRI, G30S, Soe Hok-gie, the mass demonstrations of 1998, from non-school books. I watched UA-cam videos about it, I read books about it, I asked my parents about it, etc. I never learn any of that stuff at school. Just saying.
Careful with that neutral claim, I’d hardly say that’s the case.
@@lukaswilhelm9290 It's really unfortunate, isn't it? "The more you know, the more dangerous it would be." That is why we the people don't know as much as we need to. Some informations are dangerous for us to find out. So, people just stop asking important questions regarding our own history.
We're closing in to 1965, one of the darkest periods of Indonesian history. Hopefully we will see The Cold War channel break it down with all the possible information that are available, theorized and factually proven.
Thank you for making this! Excited to see more from this channel.
Purging Communist is bad?
i very much agreed to this. i always wondered what was factually correct during these times and to know who and how bad or innocent which country during konfrontasi is.. cause i feel like the story to this one had bloated propaganda (others blaming others)
Probably not ofc because this politicide is where western sources will be biased the most.
*Suharto laughing in the distance*
That's what you think, I don't think that if there were no traitors to the Manila Agreement, there would be a stronger country, 3 countries becoming 1
I like the fact during the Konfrontasi, many Javanese Indonesian soldiers landed on the malaysian shores of Johor just to find that infiltrate THE village of long lost relatives. They were like "Heyyy long time no see! What's up!" so there were no casualties in those villages.
The soldiers who landed on Borneo weren't so lucky. Either the tigers or the Commonwealth snipers got em
The Dayak headhunters got em.
I think the headhunters got them first before tiger or commonwealth snipers got them.
@@irfandaniel7715 there's no tiger in Borneo lol, but there's leopard, though
@@Banom7a There is a tiger species at borneo. The Endangered Sumatran Tiger. Currently around 400-500 left.
because the ones fighting the Indonesian army were British Australian and other Gurkhas but not directly with the few Malaysian troops
I spoke with Malaysian army who was on duty in Sarawak during Konfrontasi, he told me during that time in jungle Malaysian and Indonesian army just on standby. sometime they make provocative shooting to the air. But other than that nothing happened. During Eid they pray together and having feast together. They even share their cigarettes. Malaysia - Indonesia ethnically and culturally are the same. Practically they are brothers.
Brothers should not fight, may we stand together in the future against foreign threat to our shared homeland InshAllah
that indon not fanatic one
@@ryansuryatmojo8628 "brothers should not fight"
Meanwhile me who have a younger brother : "I doubt that"
Just like Russia and Ukraine
just like other, we separated by colonial border
As an indonesian, it is really nice to see this conflict being covered from neutral standpoint
Agree
yea but always remember that us Malaysian, obliterated TNI
@@caezero2072 *common wealth
@@caezero2072 Yaya Indonesia solo Malay skuad be like wkwk
@@caezero2072 come on , UK, Australia, New Zealand ? No way, there is 1.5 Million volunteers with USSR military equipment .
Finally Konfrontasi story from the neutral ones, thank you!
Well this channel has been going in the chronological order of the Cold War itself, so all that you had to do was just ... Wait!!!
Alhamdulillah!!!! Congratulations David
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Americans don't like (non-American) colonialism, even when it's to their net benefit, and never mind what the natives think!
Neutral or not is meaningless since Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore actually know very little about konfrontasi.
A crucial piece of Indonesian history but sadly in indonesian history school books it only contains 1-2 pages about this event and it only show the Indonesian side. My granduncle fought in this Confrontation, he got ambushed by a british unit in Sarawak and shot in the left leg that caused him to walk with a limp.
Unfortunately same with us Malaysian. Around 1-2 pages too. But I think our later leaders don't want things to be like India and Pakistan?
Back then the history pages about it was quite long, since many additional with new inputs. It was revised to make it shorter. Otherwise the book becomes thicker. So whoever wants for details can access to country's archives centre.
He was lucky, he survive Suharto's purge as usually those who volunteer in Konfrontasi were sideline or suspected as communist and totally muted or persecuted.
@@lukaswilhelm9290 that was interesting pov, the one involved with PKI after G30S that always considered fit to be purged during Suharto reign. But Konfrontasi always taught to us as heroic events to prevents British forming puppet state of Malaysia, so I doubt army or people involved in it considered need to be purged, two of the army member that doing bombing in Singapore are considered as heroes afaik . Im educated during Suharto reign ,btw.
@@bpcgos idk really, 1966 purge was out of control. Suharto himself not personally leading mass killings but his officers did along with anti PKI elements such as Pemuda Pancasila death squad and Muslim clergy that been victim to communist activity previously. In my home countryside they did something so horrible to the point communist fanatic turn to be a very pious muslim elder here, others loose their head and their body can easy be found near river. This isnt Holocaust type of genocide but more like Stalin stupid purges.
As a Malaysian im so happy to see poeple looking into this part of history a bit more and to do so in a neutral and unbiased fashion. Most cover the cold war from the US and USSR perspectives (along with their proxies), but forget lesser known events and conflicts such as Konfrontasi which were just as instrumental in determining the paths forward for many countries within ASEAN.
Sejarah Memang Buruk Dikenang Tapi Disitulah Kita Belajar Untuk Lebih Baik Lagi
Minta Maaf Jika Ada Salah
🇮🇩🙏
Semoga ASEAN Maju🤝
Indon coba perkosa cikgu Malay lewat konfrontasi
mau saya beri pendapat dan opini tentang yang sudah almarhum itu, tapi dia pahlawan, takut juga, sepertinya di konoha menghina pahlawan bisa masuk bui, apalagi sekarang partai anaknya yang di puncak. ya begitulah sejarah politik, karena hal sepele, orang jadi korban.
Karena malasia nenek moyang bangsa sekutu majikan Inggris Elisabeth
@@suhanjayalian5044 dan kau sekutu komunis😏😆
As someone from Sabah, I'm proud to be Malaysian but excited for Indonesia's new capital city, Nusantara, in Kalimantan. However, our books history doesn't mention much about Konfrontasi. I think the government doesn't want to escalate the conflict and create hatred between us.
At least it got mentioned, if we're going to be in depth about that chapter , the history books would be even thicker. I think its okay. Like you said, the government doesn't want to escalate it further. Like it or hate it, they're still our brothers. Whether they like it or not.
Sabah is not owned by Malaysia. F*ck the British for letting Sabah included in your country.
@@JayAnuar if you think we are like brothers, why did you claim our national language last year??? and make an alliance to claim Kebaya as Melayu heritage on this year without invite or *ATLEAST* talking with Indonesian government??? Sounds like a play victim for what I see with ur comment, bcs on the real world. Ur government always did and still doing 180° different for what you said on this comment. Lastly, can you tell how many cultures in Indonesia? Like the Main cultures(Main Cultures are like Melayu and Jawa), not the sub-cultures(Like sub-cultures from Malay are sabahan and sarawak and so on, and for Indonesian for Melayu are like Aceh and Padang and so on.). Bcs I believe u only know Jawa and Melayu bcs of how blatantly ur government ur propagandist always talking about that when talking about Indonesia🤣
@@manifestaphillips3574 Well, if you're going this way, i can only say "Have fun losing more and more "culture" in UNESCO to our alliances. Good luck going solo.🤣🤣🤣
Talking about efficiency, did you realised a country as big as yours only managed to register 9 intagible culture in the UNESCO? While a country like us with 10x smaller population already got 6? Don't blame us if we managed to make good case of it, blame your representative of being so inefficient. 🤣.
You still want to talk about UNESCO's culture again?
As an Indonesian, I'm probably going to be in the minority when I say that Konfrontasi was a mistake and unnecessary act of aggression from us. This was a time when Sukarno wanted to appease the communists in a time where we were economically in a really bad position.
For what its worth, I respect the Malaysians who had resisted our incursion and the violence from the communist proxies. In my opinion, war between us is holding us back, and it is better that we work together as brotherly countries in order to improve our standing on the world stage.
Both of Indonesia and Malaysia owed Suharto our lives in ending this conflict. I don't know how to imagine if communist ideology take over back then. Will there exist Islam, Hindu, Buddha or even Christian like now? They are forces not to be underestimated.
(His bad deeds after are another matter though).
@@kekelele636 agreed, I myself am not a fan of Suharto, but people overlook that in the 60s it was either him or the communists that take over. And seeing the track record of communists in Cambodia and China at the time where large swathes of the population were killed off, Suharto is the much preferable option.
well said
easy stop killing your own people and dont be greedy
@@mapk1516 didn't large swathes of the population died anyway under Suharto?
In school in America, we are NEVER taught anything about the cold war other then America vs the USSR, thank you so much for this entire channel, all your other channels, and the all the history we have learned.
The US isn't America. Not even half of it.
The Confrontation crisis is one of the crucial moment in a Cold War. If Soviet Union and PRC involved with more seriously on Indonesia side and USA, UK with Western Allies on Malaysia side with full scale support, then there will be disastrous and catastrophic consequences not only in SEA but for the entire globally, its far greater demolition than Vietnam War.
As a Filipino, I find it sad on how the whole pan-Malay/Austronesian movement died out after the collapse of MaPhilIndo due to the Konfrontasi between Malaysia and Indonesia. I know the MaPhilIndo idea was a shaky idea at best and it practically died when ASEAN formed and managed to be successful in forming cooperation between the SEA countries but still, the whole what if of it all.
The messy question of what to do with local customs will be raised fast should the MAPHILINDO happened. 2 1/3 of the entire polity would be Muslim so the question of what to do with the alcohol and pork industries would have to be resolved first...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Indonesia didn't have issue with pork and alcohol consumption, every non-muslim even some Muslim can enjoy it as they please. It would be a problem in Malaysia though, because Malaysians are a lot more conservative in their belief.
@@rizaradri316 *more facilitated, indonesia is more enthusiastic with muslim politic, but corruption make it somewhat black and white
It just the First model before Asean were found....The main objective is no Solve problem in region by peaceful way....not war...Just like World League before United Nations..
As a Malaysian I am happy that Maphilindo died. Together we will have great potential to be the regional powerhouse sure, but corruption will run utterly rampant. Our countries may share similar roots, yet we are ultimately too different b4 even taking into account of the geographic challenges.
I swear I was reading about this the conflict in South East Asian countries, Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, amazing episode 👌🏻
Thanks for explaining so much of what happened in those turbulent times - fascinating. My father was born in Srilanka, and raised in Malacca. He came to Australia to study in the 1950s, became Australian citizen and entered the Australian Army. He was sent to Borneo during this time as part of the Australian army. He has a certificate from the Australian govt thanking him for his service in what they call the 'Indonesian Conflict'. I was only 2 or 3 years old at that time, so it's great to now find out and understand why he was sent. Thanks.
Lies again? American Education Simi Valley
Thanks for the video. Here's an interesting fact, according to a history book I read during the Brunei Rebellion, when the rebels attempted to take over the Sultan's palace, the rebels were push back by the defenders, with the Sultan himself involved with the fighting as he was armed with submachine gun and a shotgun. Furthermore, the rebels were outmatched when Britain send commandos to help put down the rebellion.
A true king who fight alongside his men
It's a rather odd rebellion since both sides are actually pro-Sultan. The only difference being constitutional monarchy Vs absolute monarchy. That is also why the rebellion lacks organisation because they thought they have the support of the people and the Sultan merely needs to be convinced that they have the popular support for the new form of government. It's basically a Decemberist revolt and ends quite similar to it too.
@@HWDragonborn with smg and shotgun, american style.
@@13gan constitutional monarchy support mean supporting in clipping the powers of the Sultan. Hardly pro Sultan IMO
I saw another documentary that said that the rebels were disappointed that their monarch had been convinced by the British that they could continue protecting him from the Communists & thus should let Brunei continue being a British protectorate
I love Malaysia. Such a beautiful and super diverse country. Would love to go there again.❤
best country in sea with singapore too
Beragam, china, india bangla dan malay... 😂
That's is my country history tq the cold war but Malaysia and Indonesia now are partner 🇲🇾❤️🇮🇩
As an Indonesian i am not sure about that, yes maybe its everything seems right right now but there is rivalry about this two neighbouring nations
No your country not war, only British states war with Indonesia
@@yogasetiaoneIn the state of Denial since they didn't even win when they attack M'sia, even though they had used their elite troops.
My work colleague's dad (British soldier) fought in Buono campaign (the Konfrontasi) he was very sensitive about as she was the only one who knew he'd even been in the army let alone the war. He watched his best friend blown apart by a much and much more.
Brutal war, it's the closest my country got to experiencing Vietnam at that timeline.
Confrontation was nothing like Vietnam. Vietnam was often highly conventional and involved millions of troops on both sides. Confrontation was a small scale affair as Indonesia only infiltrated about a thousand men who were nor adept in the jungle and were easily handled by the Commonwealth forces. For example, the UK lost 140 dead, most through accidents and illness. In Vietnam the US lost 58,000 dead, most due to combat. Malaysian losses were under 30 in Confrontation. In the Vietnam War the around 225,000 South Vietnamese troops were lost.
I think communist insurgency happened during the same time as it is close to the Vietnam situation. While the USA implies bullets and blood strategies,the British imply heart and mind strategy against communist. Not as bloody and high body count but still take 3-4 decades to settle. Since communist use guerrilla tactics, Malaysia is forced to use small specialised units like Senoi Praaq(tribal people of Peninsular Malaysia), police commando(VAT 69), military GGK, Royal rangers to fight in the tropical jungle.
As an Indonesian
This is a surprise to be sure
But a welcome one
Through my late father-in-law who was in the Malaysian army and posted to run a protected area in Sabah during Konfrontasi, I also met British and Australian ex-servicemen who had fought in that area as well. I enjoyed watching this documentary and appreciate the well-rounded approach. What was of great interest to me from that period was the sedition laws the British brought in to hold people without charge and to send them to isolated areas to remove them from any influence were adopted by both Malaysia and Singapore and are still in use today for political purposes.
Singapore was attacked by the Indonesia militias too. Singapore, Malaya, British joined forces to resist against Indonesia militias.
O i see, that why Singapura is a state of MalAysia!😅😂
@@fernandocruz4877 was it was part of Malaysia in 1965 when we most in our teens
Were in the jungle fighting to sort your shit out
@@12dougreed MalAysia is just greedy!
Put it simple terms. Malaysia the Gov and people wanted to put this chapter behind. Even more bluntly, it seems like our Gov and historians picked the path of forgive and forget
But as a modern day Malaysian, I can still feel the animosity of Indonesians harboring to us till today.
Maybe, we should not have been too overly pragmatic and deal with it with the same.
They still haunted with their losses.
a big country will not easily simplify things. they have egos. not to mention the issue of claims about culture between the two countries
@@hanflax4679 The claims about culture is really shallow and pedantic. We're Austronesians, of course we share the same culture. No need to pinpoint which country owns it. And if it did goes to the UNESCO, it doesn't mean that country can "patent" it. You can never patent a culture. Sigh.
@@JayAnuar well all have reasons and thoughts that make sense. what you think is right may not be the same for other people because truth is relative
@@JayAnuar UNESCO is still filled by Western-minded persons that still thinking that the culture is country-based. The culture should not be owned by the country, it should be owned by the people
In general Indonesia's history book.. This war is usually simplified as "Malaysia created, Sukarno didn't like it, GANYANG MALAYSIA, Usman Harun bomb civillian buildings, G30s, and war ended".
British created Malaya. The problem is on North Borneo whether they wanted to join Malaysia or not. Another is the phillipines claim of Sabah through Sulu.
Communist party in Indonesia supported the war because they tried to help their ally the North Kalimantan Communist Party.
The Nationalist and Agama who hated the communists then overthrew Sukarno and installed the Suharto with Western support. After the politicide of the left in Indonesia. Suharto made peace with Malaysia.
yeah Malaysia neighbors always has disputes
@@abcddef2112 yeah, Suharto made peace with Malaysia but went to war and invaded Timor Leste 😩. Soekarno and Suharto are no different
@@user-ie6tw1ho2e Nah Suharto was definitely terrible, Suharto went to war because one of the pillars of Suharto rule after the left was removed, is catholics which made up the nationalist group, his party (Golkar, curiously many were alumni of st Kanisius, its still true today the current leader is alumnus too), and army leadership (Benny moerdani faction). Not to mention his advisor Pater Beek. Its the catholic pet project to gain another catholic region in Indonesia to counter their previous ally in toppling Sukarno, Agama (islamist). A very sensitive and trigger happy regime installed by the West in Indonesia. Its no wonder, previously an animistic but nominally catholic east timor, by the time Indonesia left, became entirely majority catholic East Timor.
That's on your side on our side totally different..sukarno been supported by communist we dont want that's.we fought communist.we dont want to be like aceh.. already independent country by cheated by sukarno..
Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei are best described as siblings. Regardless of whether you are a Malay, Chinese, Indian, Iban or Kadazan, we share a lot of things in common from food to profanities. Yes, there may be the ocassional bickering (esp Malaysia and Singapore, lol), but
we are very close.
Indonesia is also considered a sibling, but maybe a little bit distant, but the ties are still quite close.
As for Philippines, well, sorry my Filipino friends, we are somewhat distant LOL
It's the language and religion that separate us from Philippine ... today, Indonesia and Malaysia don't see Filipino as related at all
Yep actually in not only Malaysia Indonesia Confrontation but Malaysia,Brunei, Singapore VS Indonesia imperialist that want annex the whole peninsula and Borneo island into their territory...
@@mylifeisalie5558
We still see them as related, it's contained our history lesson even social media, gaming and many more we were connected.
@@ZarasthuraGyattt traditionally no .. Language is the biggest barrier, we dont share the same culture anymore.. Philippine has been throughly Catholicized by the Spanish that they keep non of our shared ancestry customs and next is religion, majority of Philipinos are staunch catholics, Malaysian and Indonesian muslims do not take kindly on that.
So are you telling me that indigenous Indonesian/Malaysian can connect with a philipino person at a langauge and cultural level?
@@mylifeisalie5558 maybe in Malaysia. But in Indonesia we do see Filipino as a close relative. Malaysia is closer of course, but still we see Filipinos as part of Malay World or Nusantara.
So, this is why some young Indonesians these days go on social media saying “ganyang Malaysia” meaning crush Malaysia? It originated from Sukarno? But why? Malaysia has done nothing wrong and in fact has helped Indonesia and in fact employs millions of Indonesians. More than 50% of Malaysians came from different islands in Indonesia or their grandparents or great grandparents did, and today they are Malaysian citizens, and that’s why rendang, batik, wayang kulit are also part of the culture of many Malaysians, but some Indonesians are angry at that. No reason for ganyang rhetoric!
@@MatthewShane only an idiot got triggered by petty things like UNESCO's registration. If you look at average Malaysians, we did not give a single flying fuck about that. Well, meanwhile, those old, red-eye Indon's would got triggered by the mere rumours of Malaysia's registration of their "unique" culture. You guys need to chill the eff out.There's nothing wrong if we register any culture that are native's to our country. As a proof of that. We already got 6 (intagible culture n heritage category). A population of mere 30 million. You on the other hand only got 9, from the population 270 million. Talk about ineffieciancy from your officials that fail to register more. There's a whole uproar lately about Kebaya's registration. We invite all nearby Asean's country to form an alliance, but Indon's initially refuse to join and wanted to go solo. The funny thing is, the finally agreed to join the alliance later out of fear of losing it. Funny.
@@MatthewShane FYI the UNESCO world heritage listing isn't a certificate of origination. Its purpose is to preserve the cultural heritage of a country indigenous or no. Many countries have jointly applied for UNESCO world heritage status over their shared culture. But narrow minded Indonesia want everything for themselves only. When Indonesian batik got world heritage status, Malaysians didn't complain because we agree Indonesian batik should be preserved. So should Malaysian batik. The two countries could have jointly applied but you all too chauvinistic for that
PS. If you read the UNESCO listing for Indonesian batik, it says INDONESIAN batik, not batik as a whole. That means the listing only applies to batik produced in Indonesia. For its preservation. Like i said, its not a certificate of origination.
@Matthew Shane Go read the criteria for UNESCO intangible heritage. They do not mention origination. If that was a criterion, joint applications wouldn't be a thing. So that makes your whole argument irrelevant.
I didn't say Indonesian and Malaysian batik are entirely different. I said the wording in the UNESCO listing says Indonesian batik. That's Indonesia's own doing. They either applied with that wording just to put their country's name in there or since the listing is only for Indonesia, UNESCO has to specify which country it's for.
Nonsense
An interesting explanation of a minor blip in the Cold War. Sukarno really botched the whole affair, all his military plans failed miserably and he managed to alienate many of his own people, leading to his fall from power.
You made a mistake about alienate. genocide committed by General Suharto against 3 million communists. United States pro dictator. and the ease with which Suharto ousted Sukarno and became dictator for 32 years with the help of money from the United States
Yep, the Army aren't enthusiastic in sending personnel to do cross border missions... Not even enthusiastic for Trikora in Papua too.
Because of the g30spki. If it were no coup it can become another vietnam war
Sukarno was like Nasser: ambitious, overly idealistic. No politicians would succeed in leading a nation that way.
@@lukaswilhelm9290 but such charismatic leader is needed to unite the country.
Always love Indonesia, 🇮🇩❤️🇯🇵
Always love you
Love Japan 🎌❤️
As an Australian seeing Indonesia being so aggressive is startling. I'm very happy these days our nation's are more or less happy with each other
Well, australia by order from UK, attacked us first.
Begitu lah Australia.
Pertama mereka mendukung Indonesia untuk menginvasi Timor Leste.. Lalu menghianati Indonesia dengan banyak bukti dan mendukung Timor Leste.. Yang terjadi selanjutnya mereka menghianati Timor Leste..
Australia memang ditakdirkan menjadi oportunis dan penghianat..
Tidak heran mereka menghianati Prancis juga..
Lihat saja, di tanah yang mereka curi, mereka mengadakan referendum untuk menentukan keterlibatan pemilik tanah yang sah, poor Aborigin..! Hasilnya.. Tidak..!
Sekarang mereka cari gara-gara dengan China.. 😅
Kita lihat kelanjutannya
@@nurlindafsihotang49tell that to the baliboa 5 and the timorese
Hey, Indonesian here, and I agree with your sentiments. Indonesian history in the 1960's is...really something. But all in all, I'm glad that both our countries are on better terms now, here's hoping that they'll be even better in the future. Cheers!
@@nadiaalexandra5359 it helps we have a stable neighbour to the north you have a stable neighbour in your south and we aren't interested into each other's waters. Though we do tell your fisherman to bugger off every now again
I was based in Malaysia from January 1964 to July 1966... from Sungi Petani in the North West all down the west coast to Singapore...
China also agreed to help Indonesia develop their own nuclear weapon. US increasingly alarmed, finally supported the plan for coup in Indonesia by backing Suharto and used mass killings strategy as nicely explained in The Jakarta Method book. Then Suharto became a nice US puppet.
that's right👍
If Indonesia wanted joint develop Atomic Bomb, Indonesia must be reformed Themselves as Militaristic Country. Unfortunately Our (Indonesia) Military had support, connections, trainings, & ideological to the USA. 😂
At that time, Sukarno's rule was faltering thanks to his inept economic management which resulted in the worst economic recession in Indonesian history.
But he wanted to divert people's attention by starting another war (after having previously won in Papua). But this one failed miserably
Sukarno want to invade some parts of Malaysia or all of them ofc. He also have anti-Chinese sentiment of Malaysia and wanted them to get bad treatments like Chinese Indonesians.
Indonesia landed troops in Southern malaya (Johor) and also bombed Singapore. My mom remembers gunfights between Indonesian invaders and the Army (british, australian and Malayan troops) just outside her home.
how can you say that Indonesia is a colonialist while the battle has just begun ???
@@yahiko4922 and Indonesia who started the war first loL!
@@howriyo4522 The purpose of the war that was carried out by Indonesia was not to acquire colonial lands like the colonials LoL
@@howriyo4522 From what I heard the cause of the confrontation was caused by the merger of Malaysia, Sabah, Sarawak, Brunei and Singapore which was opposed by Indonesia, the reason is because Indonesia considers the founding of this country as British Neo-colonism in southeast Asia CMIIW
@@yahiko4922indonesia is a colonists. It is the fact that all indonesian should admit
From the comments, there were a lot of people waiting for this video. I am one of them. And the breadth and depth of the coverage of this video was impressive. You have my sub. As a Singaporean, Konfrontasi was always glossed over in our history books (in school) and this was a hole in our education. Thank you. I guess in a sense because Konfrontasi defied easy categorisation, it might also have been easier to gloss over the reasons for Konfrontasi.
Those Indonesians who praised the marines who bombed Orcbard Rd are Indonesians who can't afford a holiday in Singapore 😁
@@rufuspanjaitan5759 Sir are you a Quoran?
@@rufuspanjaitan5759 Says the 5-10 million Malays worked in Singapore 😁
@@PerryKobalt Woww.. A butthurt exaggerated Indonesian I guess.. Fyi, Singapore's population is only 5.7m.. How come there are 5-10m Malays working there.. What nonsense are you even telling.. There are only ~920k Malaysians working in Singapore, and ~100k Singaporeans working in Malaysia.. Not as many as you mentioned. Meanwhile, as of 2021, ~2.7 million Indonesian workers are working in Malaysia LEGALLY.. And you know exactly how many hundred thousand or even millions more of you entered Malaysia ILLEGALLY 🤣.. Tbh, I love Sumatera, Borneo, Sulawesi parts of Indonesia, but not the Javanese Island.. Full of racist derived from this Sukarno's movement..
@@rufuspanjaitan5759 Agreed , they praised a Terror attack on civilian building .
btw are you that Rufus from Quora?
As Indonesian,our Point of View from our history lesson are quite black and white. What we all knew back then was konfrontasi is Indonesia effort to destroy British formed puppet state just to keep us at bay as new emerging power. But from this perspective, all parts have its own motivation to make sure this confrontation exist.
No. That's biased. It was a threat to national security
Nope thats Suharto version.
Fast forward 60 years as of now, are we still a threat to you guys? Hell no. We're brother connected by blood no matter u likes it or not. What an idiotic unprovocative war. Which you lost! 🤣🤣
Pemerintah NKRI memesong cerita sebenar kisah konfrantasi dalam pelajaran sekolah. Takut rasa malu sendiri
Indonesia memiliki trauma berat dengan penjajahan efek dari 350 tahun Indonesia di jajah oleh Belanda, Inggris, Spanyol, Portugal dan Jepang.
Dimana rakyat Pribumi Indonesia (Bangsa Indonesia) menderita, terhina dan dikelas duakan oleh para bajingan bangsa2 kafir penjajah.
Ketika Belanda membonceng pasukan NICA Inggris untuk merebut kembali Indonesia yang saat itu sudah merdeka, terjadi pertempuran sengit dan genosida yang dilakukan Inggris di Kota Surabaya yang menewaskan 20 ribu rakyat sipil Indonesia.
Dengan lahirnya Malaysia yang didukung oleh Inggris yang telah menggenosida 20 ribu rakyat Indonesia di surabaya, dan Malaysia memproklamirkan kemerdekaannya secara sepihak tanpa mengindahkan persaudaraan Maphilindo membuat Indonesia merasa semakin terancam dan mencurigai kalau Malaya sebagai negara boneka dan bisa menjadi batu loncatan Inggris untuk masuk menginvasi Indonesia.
Apalagi Tunku Abdurahman dalam biografi nya menyatakan ditawari oleh Inggris untuk menyerang Indonesia dan jika berhasil akan membagi-bagi Riau dan Sumatera untuk Malaysia walau beliau tidak setuju, dan hal2 seperti ini yang membuat semakin panas terjadinya sebab musabab Konfrontasi.
Hari ini kita bisa melihat masa lalu, saat itu Indonesia di era orde lama Soekarno pernah hampir menjadi negara yang pro kiri/komunis dan Malaysia menjadi negara pro kanan/barat.
Namun pada era orde baru Soeharto, Indonesia akhirnya satu barisan dengan Malaysia pada poros barat.
Dan pada hari ini Indonesia dan Malaysia mulai condong ke kiri yaitu sama2 mulai berkiblat ke China.
I remember when the Indonesian military planes dropped boxes of ammunition in our village during the Kontrontasi. They flew by in the early morning. By day light the villagers saw the parachutes used, on the trees. The incident was reported to the police and the Malaysian army came to the village. We were put into lockdown while they searched the area. I remember seeing lots of boxes. The military explained to us the contents. Even till years later, some farmers still found the metal boxes of ammunition.
Politics aside, from what I had read the British SAS (Aust & NZ too) played a crucial role in the Konfrontasi. A pair of them would go deep into the jungle near the border, stayed long period of time, made friends and worked with the locals, to recce, identify, monitor the possible route used by the intruders. So, every an intrusion about to happen, they would radio back intel, without breaking their cover. The results were that the regular army, infantry or artillery, would always been informed and lay waiting to ambush or capture the intruders, which is really difficult in the vast jungle. Highly effective. The SAS also trained the Malayan Special forces to go deep into the jungle to seek and fight the communists during the Malayan Emergency while the British Scotland Yard trained the Malayan Police Special Branch. As for the Brunei revolt, the British Marine Commandos, too, played a big role in helping Brunei in putting down the revolt. These special group/forces, the past and the present ones in the country, are legendary and among the best in the world. Cheers.
actually, my grandfather was part of the malayan police special branch as a chinese back in the day. I remember seeing pictures of him and some british people. I assume they were those.
Yup,SAS and NZ SAS are responsible for trained Senoi Praaq and VAT69. Royal Marines commandos responsible for GGK. Also they're exchanging knowledge with SAS on how to move and track in the tropical jungle, I think the Royal Ranger regiment is working closely with SAS since they're from Iban ethnic in Sarawak.
Thanks, this video brought back memories my MA thesis where I looked New Zealand’s response to the Konfrontasi. Thanks for covering an overlooked chapter in Cold War and Southeast Asian history. Sukarno had earlier successfully employed Konfrontasi as a diplomatic and military tactic against the Dutch in West Papua. It’s success led Sukarno to apply the same policy against Malaysia.
Could you recommend a good book on Sukarno in English?
Where can I read your thesis?
Malaysia negara berdaulat..bukan calang calang manusia mendoakan Malaysia..Sukarno kena tulah akibat menyerang Malaysia..akhirnya dirampas kuasa nya secara paksa dan terkurung secara terhina hingga hembusan nafasnya terakhir..nasib armarhum mungkin tidak seburuk itu jika beliau tidak memaksakan cita cita beliau ke atas Malaysia..jika niat beliau murni pasti walau gagal tidak la akan seburuk nasib..
@@zulimanismail1966mana Negara Malaysia negara berdaulat 😂
Negara boneka Sampai sekarang
Dalam comment section pun ada Cold War lagi... Berdamai lah semua🇲🇾🇮🇩
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Tidak apa bro perang sosmed hanya have fun. Di dunia nyata kita adalah saudara. Kita semua memiliki darah melayu / orang berkulit coklat(sawo mateng)
@@yussuf.muhammad13 Darah Austronesia, Melayu itu hanya sebuah etnis bukan ras
@@fasha7747 entah apapun itu namanya yang jelas kita itu sama.. wajah, bentuk fisik, tinggi badan, dll kita sama. Berantem di sosmed hanya have fun. Tapi jangan dibawa ke dunia nyata
@@yussuf.muhammad13 bacot kau alam Melayu Semenanjung, alam halu kalian. Saya ras Melanesia Indonesia, bukan alam suku Melayu Semenanjung
Have been waiting for an episode on the Konfrontasi as a viewer from Singapore here. A welcome one to be sure, thank you!
Great Singapore.
The Malaysian and Bruneian Sultans saw how the Sultans in Indonesia were treated because of communism. I don't think the common people had any cards in their hands to decide on anything. They just followed each of their leaders, who naturally chose survival.
Cut that bullshit out...lol.. The peninsular malaysia peoples had spread hoax bout this from long time ago.. FYI up till today the sultanates still existed in Indonesia, so basically what u r saying is simply lack of history knowledge bout Indonesia n have no valid ground
@@aslimanwar6074 True.. the Revolution Social 1946 incident was fake. Plus there's not such thing any survivors there run to Tanah Melayu & spread the news.
@@imjuzsayin..5017 Lol.. Those who fleet out into peninsular malay are the one who spread the hoax.. N im not saying that incident never happened, what im saying is the story behind the incident that had been spread out to malay peninsular sultanates is hoax.. Learn more bout history.. Do you really think that all malay sultanates are all saints?? Have u ever heard idiom : "there will be no smoke without fire".. Think about it.. Use ur brain not ur feeling.. Beside, ur former UMNO politicians are love that kind of story to feed their own peoples in peninsular malaysia, to prevented movement from leftist party who wanna be integrated with Indonesia.. Those UMNO politicians use that story as their political tools to achieved what they want to.. Which is to keep sultanates proper hahaha
@@imjuzsayin..5017 yes, "fake". Thats why none of the old sultanates exist in Sumatra now. Hell, the only reason why Minangkabau's sultanate still exist(even though they originally started in Sumatra) because they already moved to Malaya prior to that tragedy.
After the Japanese surrendered in Malaya, the communist groups decided to take advantage of power vacant and brewing a conflict before the British came back. Also the majority of people are Islam, so it's against what communism teaching
Great video as always! As Indonesian my history books are just the struggle to independence and this put some new perspective on me. Thank you for the video and really wanted to see more of this!
You use your school history book LOL. That is just introduction, if you wanted to know more, just use Google, and you will have better perspective on the war. And also there are many book written by Indonesian historian about the war
@@muhammadsecret8783ost Indonesians, either they keep their mouth shut or they purposely erase the Konfrontasi history, so the new generation have no idea...
Konfrontasi is always my way to go to imagine an alternative What if scenario. There's so much event in this historical event that could change how today's South East Asia political situation.
We learned so much in this video. Thank you!
Sadly with some mistakes. Missing the huge part of Agama in the Nasakom (mostly islamist), in this case Sultanates.
Because of this Konfrontasi, to this day many Malaysians and Indonesians are fighting each other.... in the internet (it's the opposite when they meet each other).
Fr though, like dante and vergil.
Confrontatie as in written in dutch (current) konfrontatisie as written in old dutch, Konfrontasi as written in indonesia
One of the country support Indonesia during Konfrontasi was the Philippines because is the issue of Sabah so they support Indonesia as a friend and brother
The Konfrontasi was caused of the failure of Maphilindo, a superstate to unify Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia
Maphilindo would have failed anyway due to competing Muslim/Christian governments and the rise of dictators like Suharto and Marcos.
@@ftwcrazymanYes Marcos and Suharto are buddies from 1965-1986(except him until 1998) both are longer rule the country
and we have the superstate named asean
@@agungokill yeah bro
So, Maphilindo is basically Yugoslavia of SEA? That won't last long at all.
Well like a true sibling, we fight for nonsense. I'm still confused about konfrontasi, but in a way. It makes Indonesia and Malaysia even more friendly towards each other. After the event we found out that we have a lot things in common, we love ice tea.
That's mostly the indonesian narrative. Malaysians, singaporean, and bruneian just go along with it because we don't want useless bickering. Ask anybody from these regions about konfrontasi, and you sure as hell they'll be hostile towards indonesians.
@@zebimicio5204 But... we love ice tea tho
@@zebimicio5204 Meh where are you from thats not what I heard.
@@Adam89111 damn straight we love ice tea and its variants.
@@zebimicio5204 Nope, stop with you all kumbaya narrative. Malaysian and Singaporean didn't get along. If that the case, Singapore still part of Malaysia federations. Instead of it's own country as it is now. Even today, whenever something happening in Malaysia. Your geriatric statemen alway raising silly issues like Singapore-Malaysia water deal. Stuff like that.
This is a well-researched video, but there are other significant factors to be taken into account: 1) Sarawak had its own national movement which was against the Malaysia proposal - led by Ahmad Zaidi, a Sarawakian who was incidentally involved with Syekh A.M. Azhari (Brunei's future PRB leader) in Java, actively participating in the Indonesian revolution in the 1940s; 2) The North Kalimantan proposal was quite popular in Sarawak, unifiying Malay Sarawak nationalists and Chinese clandestine communists who then requested military training in Indonesia. Remnants of the latter remained active in the Indonesia - Malaysia borderlands until 1972; 3) Sukarno had legitimate suspicions regarding British designs in Southeast Asia as they had been allegedly cooperating or at least partly facilitating the regional military rebellions in Sumatra in 1958; 4) Despite British attempts to paint the Konfrontasi as an expansionist project of Indonesia's territorial ambitions, Indonesia under Sukarno held steadfast to Indonesia's territorial limits based on the borders of the Dutch Indies as was formulated in 1945. This is proven by Sukarno's refusal in August 1945 to meet with Malayan nationalists in Johor (who planned a request to join the new Indonesian state) - and in numerous speeches he made throughout 1963-64 rejecting outright any idea to annex North Borneo and Sarawak; 5) The Indonesian Armed Forces were divided over Konfrontasi (the army being pro Western, the Navy and Air Force being more Sukarnoist) - resulting in erratic (sometimes half-hearted) and uncoordinated military actions during the Konfrontasi;
Fun fact, this conflict was the first time ever an m16, used by the brits/aussies SAS went on into combat against ak47 used by the indonesian which ironically also have m16/ar15 in their arsenal...
Indonesia largely using BM-59 at this war. Yes we had ak47 and some western weapons but the iconic is italian BM-59
Well, there are no reason not to used good weapons left from the UK corpses no?
No NOT the M16 . I was issued with an AR 15 colt armalite.223 we were the first to have this rifle. We used it in Sarawak and Kota Tingi
@@nurlindafsihotang49yea yea, you guys win that's why Malaysia exist,right?
as an indonesian, i never learned the other side's perspective of the konfrontasi, and it's pretty interesting that everyone's just dealing with their own problems while indonesia was being somewhat of a loose cannon. The resulting genocide of communists and suharto's ascend to dictatorship over the following 30 years led some to believe the communist coup was staged by suharto, his only claim to power being a note supposedly written by sukarno that gave him temporary power to "settle down the situation", but i guess we'll never know the truth.
Pls see "The Jakarta Method" by Vincent Bevins.
Love Indonesia from Thailand 🇹🇭❤🇮🇩
As a Bruneian, thank you for featuring Brunei on this video! I finally learned what Konfrontasi was, keep the good work up!
Brunei is tiny because it challenged the Spanish Empire.
@@scintillam_dei Nope. It successfully chased the Spanish out during the Castillian War in the 16th Century. Brunei was still a strong regional power player back then. It was in the 19th Century that the British (or more precisely their armed privateering/business entities such as James Brooke and the North Borneo Chartered Company) that took full advantage of the then poor, weak and faltering Brunei Sultanate. It was at that time that the then Sultan had to relinquish control and/or cede vast areas of its territory, leaving Brunei with what is today.
@@buj1387 The Spanish burned the capital mosque of Brunei before leaving due to being vastly outnumbered by a united enemy. Spain kicked Brunei out of Filipinas. At sea they could not beat Spain, so their coastal empire withered thanks to my people. Brits finished the job Spaniards started. Brits are overrated as I proved in many videos. The biggest empire was the Spanish but hypocrite fools refuse to take most of earth into account for their calculations.
@@buj1387 Why are you anti-Spanish oozing Black Legend prejudice? What is your race; nationality?
@@scintillam_dei What are you on abt being anti-spanish? Look up Brunei history. While it may have lost the Philippine part of its domain to Spain in the 16th Century it was still major power on Borneo back then and Spain was not able to extend its influence beyond the Philippines.
so nice to see Malaysia and Indonesia on good terms today, looking around the world, relations could be so much worse. about the only thing still toxic about their relationship is when they get on dota 2 lobbies
Parenthetically, someone needs to liberate the End Of Empire episode on Malaya/Malaysia, it's the only one missing.
My grandfather was at service but preparing for Singapore, one day before something exploded in "McDonald's" he was talking with Usman & Harun. He's in the same Batalion as the Indonesian marine corps.
*MacDonald House
Love your videos, but a bit of correction here. G30S and the massacre of the PKI/leftists are two different things. G30S was the killing of the Generals on the night of 30th September/dawn of October 1, hence the name G30S (30th September Movement). The massacre of the PKI members happened months later.
Wrong. Massacre of PKI members started to occur the following days. In Bali it was called Gestok (Gerakan Satu Oktober). Generally it occurred from Oct 65 to Mar 66 in Java, Bali and Sumatra, with the Chinese in West Kalimantan being the last victims (67).
He was not wrong at all, he told that only to mention dan complete his main topics about konfrontation, he also said that he will tell us in the next story
Indonesia: we are against colonialism and imperialism.
Also Indonesia: invades Malaysia, east Timor and west Papua
😂😂😂
They are total hypocrite.
This is true
As Indonesian who lived in Malaysia before for 5 years, everything there is awesome. Good people and good foods 👍
How nice of you. Very much appreciated. I hope to visit Indonesia someday too. Sure exciting.
@@kekelele636 these 2 idiots Mal Aysian are fooling each other!😂🤣
TANGA!BOBO!UNGAS!😂🤣
go back to indon haha ofc u have fun here
Sukarno's anger towards Malaysia was not just about the creation of Malaysia. It started way before that. If you read the Malayan newspapers in the late 1940s, you will notice how keen Malaya was on the idea of Maphilindo... the intergration of 3 would-be-independent nations under 1 nation. Indonesia got its independence earlier. The other 2cwere tofollow suit. But then , once independent, Sukarno showed his true colour. He embraced Communism, killed the numerous Malay rulers in Sumatera, defied islam in its Pancasila and pushed for Javanese dominance in the leadership, much to the dismay of the Malays of Malaya..This was different than what the Malays of Malaya had anticipated. This forced Malaya to postponed its demand for independence for another 10 years. Phillipines too pulled out of the agreement. It was better to remain under the British for a while more than to succumb under Sukarno's idiotic scheme. Sukarno was furious and immediately began verbal offense on Malaya Malay leadership in his pidato. The creation of Malaysia was his chance to invade and annex Malaya and all Kalimantan. But he failed, and this brought about his downfall.
PH is the 1st Nation from SEA to be independent from the colonialists.
And don't forget, despite his alliance with China, Sukarno was discriminatory towards the ethnic Chinese back home. I see a lot of tankies being all pro China and anti Sinophobia while hypocritically lionising Sukarno just because he fits their ideology. This is especially true of the Mainland Chinese tankies. They expect solidarity from the diaspora but won't hesitate to throw us under the bus if it suits them.
@@miinfl7143 maybe the chinese were overstaying in Indonesia that time😂🤣
@fernando cruz and here's an anti Chinese Sukarno guy right on cue.
@@miinfl7143 never Indonesia embraced communism. Indonesia is a Republic, it didn't want a monarchy, like its colonizer.😂🤣
Soekarno was a good guy back when Indonesia fought for their independence, then he turned into a bad guy once the Cold War kicked in; probably the very reason why Mohammad Hatta distanced himself from Soekarno.
_"You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain."_
Not exactly the bad guy, hes more like a anti-hero character
I ve met one of the brunei rebel before, he said they didnt even know what they were actually fighting for, they thought it was an attempt to save the sultan and drive the british ouut from brunei hence they joined it. before he got a full pardon and released from prison he was interrogated on why he joined the rebellion. he said he wasnt rebelling he just want to fight the colonizer, and they told him Brunei wasnt colonized, which is quite funny because “protectorate” was just another way to say being colonized
I relocated to Malaysia in 2017. Relations between the ethnic groups are still" fragile". If you have not visited here you should.
Relations between the ethnic groups are not as fragile as they were 50 years ago. Though there are many ups and downs, Malaysians today are tolerant of one another. Are race politics still a heavy part of Malaysia? Yes. Has Malaysia repeated riots similar to the riots leading up to and the riot of 13 May 1969? No, and work is still being done to improve Malaysia at this moment.
You should have relocated to East Malaysia then. Race relations in Sarawak and Sabah are better than in Malaya, partly because there're so many non-Muslim natives making the distinction between Malay Vs Others (Indian and Chinese, i.e non-natives) less obvious. Even the Natives Vs Others racial perspective is less effective since we do intermarried whereas in Malaya, due to religion, those who marry Malays need to adopt Islam and practice Malay culture. Basically the rhetoric of racism in Malaya always centers on religion.
@@13gan those non Muslims wanting to marry Muslims must convert to Islam.
But nobody ask them to be a Malay.
Islam is the least racist of all religions. Cultural aspects are tolerated as long they don't conflict with Islam
@@shamshulanuar7718 It's not whether they want to or not, it's about being able to. Whether I want to drive a car or not is irrelevant as long as I have a driving license. In other word, in Malaysia takda Melayu Celup sebab dia memang by law jadi Melayu, boleh claim tanah rizab apa.
@@13gan i live in Sabah..and this statement is true...most of my teachers are Chinese and they are very good at teaching and spoke very fluent Bahasa Melayu..Even our Pengajian Am teacher (form 6 subject) is a Chinese and she is good at it..
Thanks for a very informative vid on the Confrontation. I am a Malaysian who can trace my roots back to the 16th Century being of Portuguese and Chinese descendants.
Always held to the adage ,"those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat the same mistakes".
Next sabah return to sulu sultanate.
@klaygabriel Dumo that should be up to the people of east Sabah (Sulu claim is only the east, not the whole state). I say let's have a referendum.
@@klaygabrieldumo2334 well, Sabahan rejected to a part of pignoise people long time ago
I remember my highschool history text book stated that Malaysia was formed to prevent Sg, Sabah and Sarawak " becoming communist".
I remember wondering how did that work.
But hey the primary objective of my teenage years was to just score in the exams which meant answering as per whats written in the text book so I just left it at that.
The true intention is to prevent a Chinese-dominated post British rule state, like SG. But at that time, in Southeast Asia, Chinese is always associated with Communist, so your history book like 50% lie to you
While those that study economics scratching their heads to why economic methods suddenly become political.
More like Indonesian VS UK, because Malaysia practically had not been estabilished. Sarawak Sabah and Malaya states were simply still protectorates as the military bodies of theirs were fully commanded by british officers
More likely communism vs westernisation
Australia was heavily involved- it was their neighbourhood.
The Malays did not want to be subjugated by Indonesia, whether their country officially existed or not.
Malaya was independent & sovereign since 1957, while Brunei was a protectorate since 1888. Singapore got home rule since 1959, and Sabah & Sarawak were still crown colonies at the time since 1946.
But its not wrong to say most of the combat itself was between Indonesia & the commonwealth troops.
Malaysian Armed Forces (MAF) was still in its expansion period during Konfrontasi. Malaysian Army alone at that time only has ten infantry battalions of Royal Malay Regiment, two battalions of Royal Ranger Regiment, few armour squadrons, few arty batteries and other support services. Royal Malaysian Air Force at that time doesn't even have an air combat wing while Royal Malaysian Navy was still a coastal force. The officer corps was still a mix of both British and Malayans, although by the time of Konfrontasi the NCO and junior officer corps were already fully Malayanised. Eventually the entire MAF officer corps was fully Malaysianised by end of 60's. This was also coincided with Britain's withdrawal from east of Suez.
Indonesian Air Force could already mount strategic bombing operations with their Tu-14 Badger. Indonesian Army already have at least divisional strength and capable of mounting amphibious operation. Without AMDA (Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement) which brought with it British Commonwealth's assistance, Kuala Lumpur would certainly be bombed. After this war, AMDA later evolved into FPDA (Five Powers Defence Agreement) between Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, UK and New Zealand.
Well Britain would not have left Malaysia and Singapore twisting in the wind, given that they are some of very few colonies UK have left peacefully under friendly term.
Thank you for this video concerning our history. Some points to add:
1. Konfrontasi was PKI's endeavour. PKI's officials were in the Borneo borders to train the Sarawak Chinese communist guerillas (these guerillas were crushed later by Suharto's regime, labeled as "new-styled PKI").
2. Indonesian Army soldiers were divided between communist symphatizers/Sukarnoist vs anti-communist. But the leadership under General AH Nasution and LtG Ahmad Yani were dominated by anti-communist. These army leadership had been doing counter-manouvering against PKI inside Indonesia to reduce the PKI's influence. They were hesitant to support Konfrontasi as well, by delaying fresh troops deployment and doing the back-channel communication with the Malaysians. The Army leadership knew, the longer Konfrontasi continuing, the more support PKI would gain politcally.
3. You misname G30S as the genocide against communist. This is incorrect. G30S is the September 30th Movement, the coup against the anti communist Army leadership (they abducted and murdered the 6 Army Generals incl Army chief Ahmad Yani) committed by communist officers of the Presidential Guard, the Air Force leadership, and coordinated by PKI's officials. NOT committed by Suharto, as evidence and testimonies proved. NOT The genocide against the communist that happened later in 66-67. I am eager to watch your video about it but please make sure you can make a clear distinction terminologically between G30S and the communist genocide. And please avoid the popular conspiracy theories that Suharto and/or CIA was the main puppet master behind G30S, because it is in contradictions with evidences and the political development at the time. About the communist genocide, YES it was orchestrated by Gen Suharto as the counter-coup against G30S and the PKI.
4. Sukarno and PKI's vision, as I see it, was to become geopolitical Robin to Mao China's Batman. Sukarno was appointed dictator since 1959 and was getting ever closer and closer to PKI, so he thought challenging Malaysia's formation might be a good opportunity to show off.
5. Indonesia gained nothing from the Konfrontasi except for one: their commandos experienced real battle against SAS, SBS, Paras, RM, and Gurkhas. Some of the SAS officers were trainers to the Indonesian commandos.
And army genosida 3 million communist. and became dictator for next 32 years.
Woah, I didn't knew these kind of stuff before. Thank you, this has been very informative.
Eh pak Rufus. Saya salah satu penggemar Quora Anda.
I believe this video is presented in a more neutral view. Sabah problem is real actually.
@@Excellent135 wah ketemu di sini hahaha thanx Bro/Siz
Uhm, Konfrontasi could not be fully blamed on PKI - the Indonesian marines sent to infiltrate and bombed civilians in Singapore are lauded as patriots even today and 2 Indonesian navy vessels were named after them.
Yes, bombing civilian building and targeting civilians is considered patriotic by the current Indonesian government.
During confrontation, British planned to drop atomic bomb to Indonesia capital city. however the plan were disagree by Tunku Abdul Rahman, Malaysia 1st Prime Minister.
Inggris tidak berani karna ww3 bakal terjadi. Duncan sandys memberikan ultimatum akan bom atom jakarta dengan pesawat vulkan yag sudah memutari langit jakarta melalui camberra australia,mengetahui tiap sudut kota jakarta sudah di tempatkan pertahanan udara sangat canggih yang di beli dari soviet yaitu SA-2 inggris tidak berani, pesawat bomber vulkan sudah di sadap oleh indonesia saat memutari jakarta, ini bisa terjadi kembali saat pesawat2 tempur amerika di hancurkan oleh pertahan udara tersebut saat amerika membantu pasukan PRRI, rudal ini tidak pernah lolos untuk membidik pesawat bomber amerika dan inggris saat perang soviet dan vietnam, SA- 2 memiliki daya jelajah mencapai 20.000 km/jam, sedangkan bomber vulkan milik brhitis kecepatan nya di bawah 15.000 km/jam, jika inggris nekat maka bom atom akan meletus di udara sebelum jatuh ke bumi. rudal ini juga dipakai tentara vietnam untuk menghancurkan f-16 dan hampir tidak pernah gagal, jadi bukan karna larangan tenku abdul rahman inggris tidak jadi bom atom indonesia tapi tidak berani, inggris itu penjajah kelas wahid yang memiliki coloni 50 negara saat ni, mana ada inggris punya rasa kasihan atau nurut atas perintah tengku abdul rahman, yang ada inggris tu gak jadi bom atom indonesia karena tidak berani, indonesia kala tu punya bomber terbanyak di asia dan menempati urutan militer terkuat no 4 dunia pada tahun 60 an dan terkuat di asia bahkan indonesia mampu pukul mundur brhitis dan india saat membantu kemerdekaan pakistan,makanya nama sukarno di abadikan di pakistan, bhritis menyadari indonesia tak mungkin nyerah bahkan kalah maka di gunakan lah isu propaganda komunis untuk menjatuhkan sukarno karena tu jalan satu2nya, karena ni pengakuan CIA sendiri. jika inggris berani bom atom indonesia maka negara itu akan di hancurkan kembali karena soviet,cina,korut,japan turky dan iran sepakat bantu indonesia.. Inggris sudah berkali kali bombardir indonesia dengan kekuatan penuh apakah inggris menang? yang ada jenderal nya pada mati saat perang surabaya,perang bandung,perang bekasi, perang sukabumi dan perang ambarawa padahal kala tu indonesia tak punya senjata cuma senjata rampasan dari japan, Inggris pernah di tantang perang terbuka sama indonesia apa mereka berani? Tidak ! mereka tu licik berani cuma keroyokan bersama NATO.
The most dangerous country during the colonial period was England because the Portuguese we know only wanted to exchange spices for weapons, the Netherlands only wanted to look for gold, while England would offer a deal. Offering a deal is a dangerous thing, Indonesia is against Colonial Imperialism
In our Malaysian History text book ( Sejarah Tingkatan 5 ) chapter 6 (Bab 6) we learned about (Cabaran Pembentukan Malaysia ) it's a fun and sad topic cause we learned on how bad it was back then our country need to deal with so much internal conflict
Interesting how the Sabah fiasco is just a mention in this, give's a whole new perspective of how little of it's significance (for a good reason) in the wider conflict. I honestly think we (PH) shouldn't have disturbed Indonesia and Malaysia if we apparently have little to no significance on this (seems like it's their problem and not with us too) but that's my perspective opinion anyway.
Well this confrontation must be fully explained. Malaysians must know the length of truth that indonesia had nvaded malaysia before and was repelled by the British Military.
Have been waiting for konfrontasi since forever. Clicked it instantly
What a coincidence, just last night my in law ( actually late my father in law's elder brother )related to us some of his experiences back in the 60s working as a Malaria officer doing their rounds at villages in Pensiangan Malaysia near the Indonesian border. Two of his collegue was killed by Indonesian forces, one a man from Tambunan and another from Nabawan. The collegue from Tambunan was warned not to go to a vicinity where there were Indonesian forces but he brushed them aside and as a result paid a heavy price. His dead body was later found in some bushes covered with leaves.
Kesudahan rakyat dia sebok dtg malaysia minta kerja...
New bangla.pakistan.rohingya.nepal takeover..helo malaydesh😂
*Rakyat India dan Bangla
How on earth have I never heard of this before?
I have an Indonesian friend, I should ask him about it
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I doubt he knew more than "Sukarno was fighting the neo-colonialism and neo-imperialism of The British and the Americans" rethorics. Indonesians school don't teach this material objectively nor in details.
@@rufuspanjaitan5759 Depends on the school
@@rufuspanjaitan5759 no wonder.
@@rufuspanjaitan5759 disembunyikan dari sejarah bro. Indonesia menjajah Timor Leste pun tak ada di dalam pelajaran. Hehehe
don’t put your hope too much. 😂😂😂
Indonesia has such a dirty history....still ongoing.. When will they ever face up to it
they gov and civ equally corrupt very same face
@@ogueyratogeyrat7448 go study or fix ur chineses nd indians before they outpowered u ok? better study hard before they become ur landlord
we have very restricted knowledge about dirty history happening in Indonesia, every school book about history never covered such story. And also, our people being hard ignorant bastards is the result
Of course we have, but not as many as British dirt history though
@@greenscreenman6453ont worry. We are studying. So many of our young'uns have tertiary level education. More have started their own business knowing that job opportunities is limited. It'll take time to catch up, but we'll try our best. We dont want to end up like you guys.
History being teach in Malaysia, greatly affected in Sarawak and Sabah.
Konfrantasi : it's when Indonesia *ATTACKED* M'sia and not the other way round. M'sia as an independent country has the right to protect it's sovereign territory.
the fact is, Indonesia's military fought againts UK's and Aussy' Troops, especially in North Borneo.
One thing my classmates enjoyed during the confrontation was the bomb drill. Just imaging when we were bored to death studying during the afternoon heat, the bomb siren was activated!! We enjoyed that moment leaving our classroom!!!
This conflict has many facets besides what is on the show. Indonesia's ruling class has a lot of mixed race individuals, mixed Dutch/Indonesian. Further Indonesia and Malaysia have different strains of Islam.
Malaysia has a large Chinese minority brought in by the British. Singapore was established more or less by the British with a lot of indentured Chinese. Brunei is another facet of this part of history that I'm not familiar with.
Now let me duck as I start getting everyone shooting at me.
or get a popcorn because sometimes the debate took an ugly turn and it became a soap opera
Brunei has made a brittish man be their sultan. Yep. Take that fact with you.
Indonesia was colonised by Dutch, Philippines colonised by Spain and later America.
So both countries don't have any relations at all with form of Malaysia which from British colonial. Even struggle by Indonesia with Dutch nothing to do with independence of malaya and form of Malaysia. Its totally intefere other country matters. Even its more influenced by malaya communists. That's why the whole Malaysia peoples not welcome intruders from Indonesia. Even locals support the authorities to chase everyone of them.
Luckily Sarawak is not under Indonesian rule because Sarawak is rich with LNG in Bintulu and Petroleum in Miri and Sarawak developed better under Malaysia much more better than Kalimantan rule by Indonesia
Australia calls it our secret war. Conscription was introduced due to the threat of Sukarno in Borneo and to PNG, not due to the Vietnam war.
Australians died defending Sabah, Sarawak and Brunei three times during the 20th century, the Japanese invasion in 1942, the liberation of Dutch and British Borneo in 1945 and during Confrontation in the 1960s.
Australia and NZ provided two thirds of the British Far East Strategic Reserve. Britain's subsequent withdrawal from SE Asia under Harold Wilson's East of Suez strategy in the late 60s was very controversial in Malaysia, Singapore and particularly Australia after the help provided in Malayan Emergency, Confrontation and various earlier conflicts.
And Canada. Australian and all British colonies do atrocities with bombing, burnings and many more, but only admits it in 2011 with their declassify records. But still, we wee one young country presevere againts all UK and henchmen. Not bad at all, and Malaysian plus singapore dont get apartheid treatment unlike other UK "commonwealths" did.
The history of this region is certainly complicated, thanks for this balanced presentation. Years later, national identies are well developed and its interesting to see how they have evolved.
Very educational for me. My husband was born in Singapore in 1956.
The most interesting thing is that indonesians tend to emphasize that they do differ and distinct from malay (and offcourse malaysia) with proud of their long lasting civilization from hindu budhist up to islamic past and proud of indian -influence-cultural and religion past legacy and two most significant empires i.e srivijaya and majapahit that once unified them under one maritime kingdom with the sense of unity in differsity ,but malay (and malaysia) tends to emphasize that indo and malaysia have so much in common and similarities between the two ,and still consider that they are the same culturally and ethnically.
Every Indonesian or just Javanese Indonesian?
Well culturally and ethnically, there's millions of Javanese, Bugis, Minang, Banjar lives in Malaysia and have been here for hundreds of years and assimilated with local culture.
Tl:dr - Malaysia and Indonesia both wants independence, plan to do so together, Indonesia abandon Malaysia, claim independence without Malaysia and try to backstab Malaysia but they took the L
This is the example of Playing Victim, framing Indonesia seems like as a villain character, whereas the british was the main character behind our same-melayu (indonesia-malaysia), shame malaysia more trust to british than the indonesia which is same(melayu)
@@ibrawisanggeni6377 We did learnt our lesson and refused to let them back here for the 2nd time, plus we nvr expect a betrayal from them cuz betrayal always comes from your "friend"
@@alangreyson2556 too much talk😂😂 i dont need your advice again, your advice already separate us ( indonesia malaysia)😂😂
My Dad fought in this conflict. I, as a result, was born in Penang. My Dad used to say that the Iban, hated both the Indons and the Malays but just hated the Indons more so they used to scout for the army. Thank you for covering this as they say, it was a war that no one in the UK ever heard about.
Common W for Iban
I'm so glad to see the spotlight on Southeast Asia. Thank you for this episode. The Konfrontasi matter is clearly complex and a web of entanglement in "a bit of everything" as you put it
Event like 'Konfrontasi' is conveniently ignore in my high school history book by education department, until i learn about it in The Cold War channel. Sigh!
I can't imagine what would happen if both countries cover Konfrontasi with more details in their school. Even with so little information about Konfrontasi in their school, these two countries always bickering with each other about foods and cultures lol
Where are you from? Which education department? I wonder if the education department disagrees with the syllabus
The UK's praticipation in this war was kept secret way into the 70s.
As Indonesian, i say thank you for covering this section of our history. We barely educated about this anyway but one thing for sure "Konfrontasi" convince many right wing and western educated military officers in our country against Sukarno's leadership later, including one infamous and soon become 2nd president General Suharto.
Assisted by the ci@
Yes, and the chinese in Indonesia and Malaysia just got screwed over numeroust times in the process.
Backward mindset: bad things happened because of our own incompetence well lets blame the minorities who make up mostly rich middle class.
Why dont they find another place to “build home”???
@@f.s.firdaus8106 do you ask that question to every migrant community in the world?
@@stoneruler he has a point. the difference between Indonesia and Malaysia was that Indonesia went full blown assimilation while Malaysia asking for integration. both has it good side and bad side. for Indonesia the bad side is that the Chinese minority were forcefully assimilate in terms of like name change and lost of Chinese culture (except religion as they are still free to practice whatever religion) the good side is the assimilation have made the Chinese minority far more patriotic and were proud of being Indonesian than being the former, though nowadays many now return to roots as Indonesian government no longer persecute them just like what happen in pembataian tionghua in 1998.
for Malaysia, the good side that Chinese retain all their basic right to speak in Chinese, adhere to Chinese custom and religion. they also allow to retain Chinese school and education. all that was a compromise made by the native Malay who are aware given the population situation which will saw Chinese outnumber them by 1 to 5, which is before the joining of federation which compose Singapore (later got booted in '65) north Borneo (now call Sabah) and Sarawak. the bad side is despite the compromise by the Malay the emergency era finally had shaped it's way even further due to how British had long divide and conquer the Malay peninsula, now the social structure had starting to crack further due to the fact how majority of Chinese (and some minority of Malay) join the communist party which later become a guerilla terrorist.
in which later had being paint well by the British as major antagonist toward the Malay native whom many were killed due to fact many of Malays got support for British during the Japanese occupation. this result in minor race riot in Singapore in 1964 which pave the way how Singapore got booted. then Malaysia has it own few years later in 1969 race riot which finally, politically and racially divide the Malay and Chinese forever with the implementation of affirmative action known as NEP or new economy policy, where native Malay gain special right or hak istimewa which native Malay and orang asli which later call Hak Bumiputera (natives right)
despite it's original intention was to alleviate the social-economy of that time (native Malay/Bumiputera were majority farmers/fisherman and poor , the Chinese which majority are business owner and most of them were well off) but thanks to a certain prime minister, it had been keep abused by the elites and was treated as weapon against the Chinese, in where they keep politically telling the native Malay/Bumiputera that Chinese are their boogeyman, and if they don't keep them in power they (Chinese) will overtake the country and native Malay/Bumiputera will received the same fate as native American indian.
despite of all, both of these (Chinese and Malay/bumiputera) people continue their life but deep still wary of each other, and since then have up and down along these years.
as a Malaysian myself, and as a fence sitter politically in Malaysia, I'll say both of them are (also in) the same shit. they Malay/Bumiputera paranoid of the bogeyman continued though there is effort among the minority of Malay/Bumiputera nowadays towards teaching the majority how racism is not OK forever, which painfully taking it's time. while the Chinese, despite being the "victim" now deep entrench mentally being of "victim", continue to question sensitive topics and even as ridicule these topics, in which make the already majority racist Malay/Bumiputera even more angry. some of these Chinese are also as racist as Malay themselves like despite being having few generations till now, some of them couldn't even speak the national language (Bahasa Melayu) properly and some to the point treated is as trash/lower level language, as of one of many example.
as result you cannot ask him that kind of question (as it looks stupid) as Chinese weren't the only immigrant who came, in fact Malaysia is many popular choice of lower class immigrant in the region, like Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia and Philippines. despite that, some of them immigrant were in fact easily integrated like to converse the national language, in which gain some fervor amongst the native Malay/Bumiputera
@@blackrx89 Indonesia is just batshit crazy and I don’t see anything good from their policy. Obviously if a country brutally massacres it’s minority to show who’s boss, and destroy their culture, then they do assimilate. Kind of Like Chinese Uighurs.
My 'uncle' (my mum's cousin) went to Borneo with the Aussie army, so I knew a bit about it after hearing a few of his stories when I was a kid many years ago, but this is the most information about the Konfrontasi that I have ever heard since then.
It was hardly ever mentioned in schools or media here in Australia, so if not for knowing someone who was there, I may easily have never known about it at all.
(my original comment disappeared, so this a repost)
My Akik/Grandfather (an Iban man) fought in this war with the Sarawak Colonial Police. I had a few questions asked about this from my original thread, and here are some answers from what I remember.
My Akik was from Sri Aman but was living in Kuching (Kampung Siol Kandis, Petra Jaya) when the war broke out. I never got to speak to him about his military service because he suddenly passed away in an accident at 83 years old 25 years ago, and we lived in separate countries; I'm from Australia. He was awarded with the 1962 General/Campaign Service Medal which I wear (as next of kin) alongside his Colonial Police Long Service Medal every ANZAC Day, but the rest of his medals including from WW2 were distributed among family members and he was buried with one of his medals. If he lived a few years longer he would have received a Pingat Jasa Malaysia medal.
I could share photos of his medals that I have but youtube doesn't like external links in comments.
Don't post the full link. Just post your IG @ and people can search for you.
@@simonkaggwanjala Damn. I don't use IG.
Imagine invade Sarawak and then lost your head 💀
Iban Warriors :
beheading an Indon invader
*A fine addition to my collection*
Are you going to cover the North Borneo/Sabah Dispute?
yup! already in the works
It's crazy that they still wanna claim it as theirs due to some old agreement from the Brunei Sultanate due to their victory towards Spanish in the 18th-century
Some said Ferdinand Marcos wanted to launch "Operation Merdeka" but backfired when the Moro people weren't interested and caused the "Jabidah Massacre" which caused a long war in Mindanao (although some say the Massacre never happened but being used as a reason to fight the Philippines)
Even as recent as 2013 when the "Sultanate of Sulu" tried to conquer Sabah, which was an unexpected and a wild story
@@SiPakRubah 10 years ago, the Sulu Terrorist launch attack in Sabah
Always love a Saturday morning update on the complexities of the Cold War period. 👍
Indonesia is a great country with a great leader, but Malaysia kingdom backed by UK is powerfull...
You overhype Indons too much. They aren't.
How many decades has it been? You still so brainwashed?
Nice to see an extended or a documentary on a topic that I've learned briefly in high school years ago