I agree that the arguments here aren’t very in depth, but they’re not trying to be. All these atheists are acting like they were promised some six hour thesis about philosophy, theology and metaphysics from a learned scholar. In reality it’s just a meme that was probably more so intended to make his fellow Christians laugh than to piss off atheists. A meme that atheists have and do use all the time.
Not just lacking depth but also fallaciously argued and strawmanned to hell lol. This is not the video you want to defend bud. Even Christians are making fun of how bad this video is.
depth cant fix thr flawed reasoning used in this video and also, it seems pretty pointless for this video to be made in the first place if the arguments it gives arent in 'depth' enough to adequately answer the arguments
"teehee its just a meme/joke brah, you dont have to take us seriously at all teehee." -ifunny memejacker suffering from reduced gyrification Also very sad to pin this comment, coward tactics are to be shunned not supported. Be a man and own up to your arguments, however "intentionally" shallow they might be.
“Why can’t God destroy evil?” “He’ll do it eventually.” “Why can’t he do it now?” “Because he’ll destroy you.” “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” “We deserve it.” A masterpiece of how not to make an argument
there's no point in arguing with christians because they didn't arrive to that conclusion through evidence and research, but rather indoctrination, fear mongering, and hope.
@@Eeeeerrttr "we deserve to live in a world of sin because we sinnned. why did god allow the world to be full of sin? idk, something about defeating satan and letting my son die on earth just so that nothing changes anyways and in the end 95% of his creations die anyway, but that doesn't matter, because it's their fault for existing anyway"
@@jan-3356 he loves everyone and gives them a chance to accept, it talks about in the bible how jesus knocks at your door and gives you a chance to open it, its your choice hes not forcing you to make a choice
I'm a Catholic but sometimes *"I don't know"* is the only answer I can give. We don't have all the answers and to think so otherwise would be arrogance.
I am an atheist, and I completely agree. However, that stance seems to completely go against the idea of belief, and particularly against religious truth claims. I would say accepting the unknown exemplifies atheism. Could you explain how you reconcile these things together?
@@JColeGlazer754 I am not sure I understand what you mean. Let me double-check: are you saying, that you have an answer, which is "faith", but it is not satisfactory for atheists, so you have to resort to "I don't know" as the next best approximation. Is that correct, or did I misrepresent your stance?
@@peezieforestem5078 it's not that hard to understand, and you sound like you're trying to sound smart. you sound like the human personification of google, you don't have to go that deep into it.
@@bitonic589 I think you're intelligence is so vast, you struggle to comprehend how stupid some people can be. I am certainly not as smart as you are, and I literally do not understand how I can differentiate between these 2 possibilities. Whatever "depth" you saw in my comment -it's a reflection of your own thought processes - I was just asking a basic clarifying question. I also don't understand how you can tell what I sound like, or why does it matter (what I sound like)... I hope you're not using text-to-speech, but if you do, of course I would sound as a personification of Google, because Google is literally voicing my text. So, if you don't like how it sounds, try using Siri (from Apple) or Alexa (from Microsoft). (assuming you were using text-to-speech).
I was a lifelong atheist, but last year, I found Christ. Having watched this video by Redeemed Zoomer, I am now back to being a lifelong atheist. Thanks a lot, Redeemed Zoomer.
So what he is saying is that God causes pain and suffering just to make himself look good? How does he not realize that he just made God sound like an evil jerk
yeah i few of these were a little off. For example, "if you were born into a non christian country, then you wouldnt be christian", he just answered by saying "if you were born into another country, would you be atheist?". I feel like this doesnt really answer the original question. I interpret that question as saying "How is it ok to send people who have never heard of god to hell."
@@Syffx. I have a counter argument I am a Quaker and I think non Christian can go to heaven because we are all familiar with the same light of god, I’m a minority though there is only about 400,000 Quakers main stream Christian would probably rebut it by day isn’t it’s unfair that they won’t be saved but it’s also unfair that anyone ever was saved because we are inherently flawed and don’t deserve it(I don’t completely agree but that’s the majority argument)
@@philipcollins90I’m not a big fan of Christianity in general, but you Quakers are alright in my book. You guys are one of the only Christian groups who can say you were abolitionists in the U.S. before the stance was mandated by secular culture. I’m sure there are a billion things we’d disagree about, but that aspect of your religion at least deserves to be called out and commended.
Saying that God let evil exist because he's glorified in defeating it is like starting your own war and then stopping it and being hailed as a hero, even though you directly caused all the suffering, so really you've just created evil.
well i mean i guess he simply got that wrong lol but in Christian theology, the allowance of evil is intricately tied to the concept of free will, a fundamental aspect of human existence. God's plan involves granting individuals the freedom to make moral choices, even if some choose to engage in wrongdoing. The existence of evil, therefore, stems from the exercise of free will rather than a direct act of God. The redemptive narrative in Christianity underscores the possibility of transformation, forgiveness, and the ultimate triumph over evil through divine intervention and human choices aligned with God's will.
the video said, essentially, 'good' is 'in accordance with the nature of God', and 'evil' is 'absence of the nature of God', and therefore God is inherently good
@@clash1505 but evil is not necessary at all for people to be free, if you kill someone and enjoy it that doesn't do anything good for anyone, it's a waste of a human life and there's already countless things one could do to get that same satisfaction that aren't evil... God has created evil either willingly or unwillingly.
@@davidstanford9933why use a meme format if you are seriously trying to answer "all" atheist arguments? of course some people aren't going to take is seriously.
Because he literally just tries to use doublespeak to ask “well what is evil? It’s not a physical thing so…let’s move on to the next dumb question I think I’m answering.”
@@nate_mccallisteri am an atheist, and i agree that it is a bad response, but it is not doublespeak. what he's arguing is that "good" is god's will, like a vase whose mold conforms to the appearance and functions of god's nature. then "evil" is just the distortion of god's will and nature, so a vase whose appearance and function is distorted. but i'd argue it is a bad argument. since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function, then it is impossible to distinguish god's will from man's will. man is as much creator of worth as god, so either 1. god has given up all will to man, and therefore his judgement has become irrelevant (thus god does not exist in practice) or 2. god does not exist at all. if we cannot prove 1 then 2 proves itself either way.
@@lucca3113 This is terrible reasoning. "since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function" God created all things, including man. The created thing is not the creator. A man can program a computer to create an image, but that doesn't mean that "man has given up all will to the computer... and thus man doesn't exist in practice". It doesn't mean that man doesn't exist at all.
@@cheifdonkey149 I think You've got it wrong my man. We aren't judging his arguments in relation to full fledged rebuttals, they just aren't good even by the standard of short quips.
@@2007NissanAltima Atheists are normal people. Its culturs who are an embaressment when they have the full access to all human knowlage on the internet.
I actually did exactly that in religion class at school. I am a hardcore atheist, but 100% I could debate way better for this or that god than most of all theists.
It was a 9 minute video going thru 40 atheist arguments. With all due respect, it wasn't meant to be in depth run through . Especially hard to do seeing as he wasn't arguing against person, who can respond actively and give their own counter arguments ,but rather, typical atheist arguments. Also, my thing is, u can easily say that u could argue for faith better than this, or that u could disprove Christianity easily. But its like, then please do it? Please tell me exactly what it was that was so silly in this video.I am open to a conversation , a lot of Christians are open to conversations , bc we see this as important .
@@jessierosegirl6399 There is only one atheistic argument, and that is the following: Nobody has ever been able to present any proof, convincing evidence or even a single rational argument for his god to be more real than all the other gods we humans invented, so we don´t believe in all the gods for the same reasons why they do not believe in all the other gods. So if you are open for a debate, I would love to hear your most convincing argument why your god should be more real than all the other gods. That´s all I ever asked for.
he picked the ones that can be explained in a brief 10 minute video. if you actually care then you can easily find more in depth explanations of the more complicated things on youtube
Ok I’m a Hindu and I believe in god fully; however I don’t seem to understand what his explanation is for why god exists. You can’t prove by converses because there are an infinite amount of cases. He didn’t elaborate at all about the science question. For example, I could ask why the Bible has the creation date of the earth so incorrect? He never proves god isn’t in the natural world using mathematics. He simply states it. As long as he can’t do the math, he can’t be correct.@@thug588
This was made for biased Christians who wanted their beliefs to be approved by somebody for them to feel good about themselves, like all of these "Debunking Atheism😎" style videos.
I am a Christian and I DEFINITELY cringed because he took complex questions that have real and legitimate answers and reduced those to quick answer gotcha orthodox based Chad bring the West back styled memes. He’s not winning any Christians over just as the top 10 Christian argument videos published by atheists aren’t winning any deconverts.
I was looking for actually good arguments to challenge my atheism, and after watching this video, I found none. The amazingly massive amount of logical fallcies and wordplay in this video is absolutely breathtaking.
are you a scientist? Or just an egoist who doesnt want to be dependent by something he doesnt understand. We all feel mighty and strong alone untill the day comes, the day when we die
@@doctormomentos2514 I can offer you something even better, and while my comment sounds sarcastical, it actually is not, so I ask you to take it seriously. Watch a video on the different types of logical fallacies. Alternatively, you can google them or ask Chat GPT to give you a list of them with a short explanation and example for each of them. I believe that this is important for everyone to do because afterwards, it is almost like you can view the world in a different way; you will start to see logical fallacies everywhere, as people like to use them to win an argument or make a point when they're out of ideas. It will help you see which politicans are lying to get your vote and which are more trustable. If you're ever in an argument with someone, being aware of logical fallacies will massively help you. You may also notice how you unintentionally use logical fallacies from time to time without knowing it. After being aware of them, discussions will become easier and you may avoid to fall for lies or false arguments. However, as to not ignore your initial request; I think the very first logical fallacy is that atheists are basicly depicted as soy boys/virgins, thus the content creator is already trying to downplay them. I believe it falls under the ad hominem fallacy.
@@doctormomentos2514 the detection of logical fallacies is something learnt and taught to people as early as highschool. I'll give you a few timestamps in this video, and let you train yourself on their identification! 0:00 to 9:04
As a Christian, I feel this piece falls a little short on the explanation side of things. While I (inner circle, regular Bible reader) can understand the meaning and context to most of the answers to each argument, I don't think the majority of "answers" really answered anything. It often just posited an opposing point, without sufficient supporting evidence. The answers with quotes from Church fathers and Bible quotes were the best responses. Every answer to each of these questions should tie back to those things in some way.
I'm not entirely sure that this was meant to bring atheists to God. This could be a building ground for us Christians to work upon and expand, just as a basic idea. However, I do agree with you. But if he had explained each one in depth it would have been days long. God bless!
Denying Free will is the Greatest Evil, With Free will, Comes Evil You can choose to do Evil or Not, because, In not Letting Evil Happen in the first place, It denys us Free will, which inturn, makes us robot-like
@@D4rkslider Honestly, if I and my fellow humans had to go about life as robots in order to avoid a lifetime of suffering, I would be pretty okay with that. Plus, if God couldn't create humans without creating evil, why make humans at all? To quote Lord Farquaad, "Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make." God's completely fine with humans suffering and dying as long as the ones that are still alive worship him. Not a good look in my personal opinion, but hey, you do you
@@queenraeisel6651 There is also another way to frame that last sentence. "God is not completely fine with ANY of His creation perishing as a result of sin 'evil'. However, He is justified in creating man (for fellowship) in spite of the many that will reject Him. It may not be fully satisfactory on an emotional level, but it's not an injustice for God to create men who would freely chose to reject Him & forgo that fellowship he would have with those who would embrace & love Him.
I find it interesting how in this video, in response to the "Evolution disproves God" argument, you say that there have been religious thinkers in the past who have concluded that the Genesis story is not literal, but in a more recent video about heresies, you say that anyone claiming that the bible is not literal follows "liberalism" which is a heresy. So in order to answer the athiest argument, you had to use a heretical one. Again, very interesting.
As much as I love when people point out one's hypocrisy, I can't help but feel like even he doesn't believe or listen to the shit he says. Like, has he made an updated video, or responded to any of the arguments these comment bring up? He's either stoking the fire or, as his name suggests, a young kid who is struggling to make sense of our confusing world, and doing a poor job of it. Hell, I feel like the christian keyboard warriors here have a far more, albiet still flawed, understanding of this topic.
I feel like this should be a red flag to believers. Saying that Genesis is metaphorical just means that they're admitting they can't take the Bible at its word.
Honestly I think a better way to answer the “religion causes wars/evil” question is not to say non religious wars/evil happen more often, but that no matter your religious belief we are all intrinsically evil, and that religious people are not exempt.
While you have a valid point yourself I do not think it qualifies to replace the original point, but could be layered onto it after the original is stated for reinforcement. I say this because numbers are very powerful and when you have a strong statistic to illustrate in favor of your stance you should absolutely use it (and have your source ready to share, which they will definitely ask for). 3% of wars being caused by Christianity means the rest of the world is the cause for 97%. That is an extremely condemning number and is impossible to justify by an atheist.
@@johnwicksfoknpencil That is if you only see the world as Christian vs the rest of the world, that 97% is made up of billions of people, other nations, countries, and religions. If the 97% is divided up and percentages divided accordingly each group could say the same, now I dont know the % of Islam, but say its also 3% then they could say the same. But I would say it is much more complex. Statistics is a complex topic, while the main reason for most of the wars in history might not be cited as religious, the governments involved might be religious, and the reasons for their political stances might be religious...I'm not saying it is. After all only 20% of the world identifies as non-believers... I believe, Take America in the Middle East, the reasons will not be cited as Christian or religious, but are committed to by a Christian nation(arguably at least). Now I dont know the stats cited here, but I doubt the remainder is secular or atheist causes necessarily. It's probably political, nationalistic, etc. This might be a black-and-white fallacy where just because it's not (directly) Christian doesn't mean it's automatically atheistic causes. You wanting to pin the rest of the 97% solely on atheists is like me pinning the American civil war on Christianity, just because most people involved were Christian (dont know if they actually were just making a point) as the war itself has nothing to with that, so that would be ridiculous, it's the same the other way around. Just because a war is not because of Christianity doesn't automatically make it because of atheism, or even if it is between atheists doesn't mean it's because of atheism. There are a plethora of reasons and stances. The main point atheists make regarding this I believe, is that Christian or religious people aren't inherently more moral or good people, not necessarily (although some atheists probably hold this point) that all wars are because of religion.
Additionally wars mostly happen either to gain resources or influence. To say "oh it was religion" misses the mark to me as an excuse would be used to start it. Honestly, even the crusades (at least some of them) were simply to stop the aggressive expansion of muslim powers into Europe.
Atheists don't believe people are intrinsically evil. In fact, many don't believe evil even exists- but rather that morality is mostly gray. If you put a man who had never had any other human contact alone in a forest, they would simply do what is necessary to survive.
listen to the argument. just because you dont want to doesnt make him wrong. Jesus even said this would happen. Jesus said the world would hate us for believing him.
@@deejaythedeejay Nah The whole point of logical fallacies is that if they are the only thing supporting an argument, it falls apart. This in itself is not a fallacy and my comment was about those.
Why though? I mean yeah it was incredibly condenses but he still provided the basic foundation of both the questions and the arguments which can help people explore and debate by using this video and it's points as a foundation to educate themselves.
@@Unamedblue3 In some questions he goes more in depth and actually explains in somewhat well. In others, he gives it to the viewer's faith and that's valid since that's part of religion anyway. But for most of the questions, he doesn't answer it and gives something completely far off. So that he doesn't lose to the strawman's arguments, he gives an answer that confuses the strawman and the audience. He relies a lot of fallacies to try to _"make a point"_ _And as a cherry on top, he has drawn himself as the based Chad while the cringe atheist is a soy Wojak. Truly one of the most convincing pieces for Christianity of all time_
Watching this was just so frustrating. As a former atheist, I don't think lot of theists understand that many of those in Gen Z know who Jesus is, and admire Jesus, its just the church and its people.
I love how he felt the need to lie about Hitler being atheist. If you have to edit the Wikipedia article, you know you’re in the wrong. Hitler was a critic of atheism💀
The religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler, dictator of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, have been a matter of debate. During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, Klara Hitler, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church; his father, Alois Hitler, was a free-thinker and skeptical of the Catholic Church. In 1904, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived. According to John Willard Toland, witnesses indicate that Hitler’s confirmation sponsor had to "drag the words out of him … almost as though the whole confirmation was repugnant to him."
It's clear that Hitler manipulated Christian beliefs to support his worldview. As the above commenter mentioned, there is really nothing in Hitler's life that indicates a practicing Christian. Even per Wikipedia, and it's cited sources, "Hitler and the Nazi party promoted "Positive Christianity",[41] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[42][43] " this is certainly NOT Christianity, and is absolutely heretical. The moment he rejects Jesus' divinity, which is a tenet of all basically all true Christian forms, with their beliefs outlined in the Nicene Creed (council of Nicea), then you cannot consider them as "Christians". Now, to claim Hitler as "atheist" is ambiguous. But again, you can see he would schrewdly approach religion, and use what fits best, he was pragmatic. Here's a quote for you: "BBC historian Laurence Rees characterises Hitler's relationship to religion as one of opportunism and pragmatism: "his relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[44]" Truly ask yourself, was Hitler a deist? Very well could have been. Was he secular? Agnostic or atheist, that just manipulated religious teaching and customs to get what he wanted? Very well could have. But we don't know, clearly. But with his apparent disdain for Catholicism and other aspects of Judeo-Christian culture, it seems like this may have been the case. And to end off on this quote: "The historian Geoffrey Blainey wrote that Hitler courted and benefited from fear among German Christians of militant Communist atheism.[189] "The aggressive spread of atheism in the Soviet Union alarmed many German Christians", wrote Blainey, and with the National Socialists becoming the main opponent of Communism in Germany: "[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion 'one is either a Christian or a German'. To be both was impossible."[189]"
Hitler was some weird pagan occultist or some shit, but Nazi Germany was mostly secular, they didn't really give a shit about your religion. Hell, they didn't even care about the Jewish religion, just the Jewish ethnicity.
"Why did god let evil exist at all?" "Because he's glorified in defeating it" When I heard this I remembered the dialogue of Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising- "I'm using war as a business to get elected"
I mean, it makes no sense. Is God so thin-skinned that he needs to be glorified? And if he does, he can't think of a better way to do it than to allow evil to flourish, and people to suffer as a result?
"Because he'd have to destroy you" is absolutely not a counter argument to "Why can't God destroy evil now?" If God can destroy evil but doesn't because I'm alive he has my full permission to send me to hell on the spot, that's just a basic trolley problem.
-Why god allowed evil -To glorify himself in banishing it! *** -Mommy! I chopped puppy's legs of, so i can feed him and treat his wounds! -Oh, you such a glorious saviour, pumpkin!
@JohnMarston-sf1vk "If He loves us so much then why not come down to teach us how to live like he wants us to" The Lord (Jesus) came here and taught us (people) and then we killed him.
@JohnMarston-sf1vk "then why punish people" Well, if you don't want God, God won't force you to spend eternity with Him, and people will most likely suffer from a lack of forgiveness.
I had to stop watching immediately with the claim "Hitler is an Atheist." "It's true that Hitler's public statements opposing atheism should not be given too much weight, since they obviously served Hitler's political purposes to tar political opponents. However, in his private monologues, he likewise rejected atheism, providing further evidence that this was indeed his personal conviction. Perhaps even more significantly, he had complete faith that Providence had chosen him to lead the German people to greatness. It's clear through his personal monologues that he rejected Atheism, but while confessing faith in an omnipotent being of some sort, however, Hitler denied we could know anything about it. Source: Hitler's Religion by Richard Weikart (History Professor at California State University)
That one was hilariously stupid, even if Hitler wasn't, most nazis were catholic. Hitler banned secular education and fought against atheist groups. The Lutheran church was full of cravings of his rise to power. “We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” He also talked about an almighty God in Mein Kampf and he following his ideals, but I can't find a copy of the book to paste here. Also, most Nazis today are Christians, with just some of them being pagan/occultists/gnostics and even fewer atheists. Nazis today HATE atheists and think jews are behind modern secularism.
I really don't know, I'm reading a book about polish hero Pilecki who volunteered to Auschwitz nazi camp as a spy for polish ressistance and the West and in the concentration camp he asked sometimes Polish people for their religion, which surprised me, because that means in the 30' not all the Poles were religious, so in Germany also could be like that.
“Why can’t God destroy evil?” “He’ll do it eventually.” “Why can’t he do it now?” “Because he’ll destroy you.” “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” “We deserve it.” The 2 month old baby that got diagnosed with stage 6 cancer:
I less lazy answer would be "the world is full of carcinogens in the food and environment because greedy people in power prioritize profit over health". A second, closer to the root answer would be; the world isn't our final destination, so realistically that baby just suffered for 2 months and then got to heaven way earlier than we will. Good for him. Living is hard. True Christians do not fear death.
This may be one of the worst videos I have ever seen. Like his point on god being the uncaused causer is so hilarious. He just asserts it makes more sense for god to be an uncaused causer than the universe because he already agrees with it 😂
I'm an atheist, I studied many different religions mainly Islam and Christianity, have read Bible and Qur'an, personally I don't believe them Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, you're a Muslim? Christian? Any other religions? Good for you dude, you have a lifestyle you believe in
@@HomeSlice4.0 For one, the standard of evidence I need isn't met. All arguments I hear from apologetics are lacking in quality and are often fighting strawmen. It is a total turn-off for me when I listen to someone critique Evolution or the Big Bang and find out they have not even high school-level knowledge of those.
@@entityself3104 Okay I can agree that the arguments are not exactly the best, but what kind of evidence are you looking for? We have historical evidence, “The Bible”, it’s one of the most studied manuscripts.
@@deplorabledegenerate2630 _> Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century?_ They weren't, buddy. They were quite poor. Do you think they invented eating surstromming because they were prosperous? 😆 Selling herring and taxing the trade between Russia and Europe through the Baltic sea were their primary sources of income before 20th century. E.g. before WW1, Sweden was deeply in dept. After WW1, Sweden was swimming in gold.
Love the attention to detail in the video title! It implicitly acknowledges that while it dors contains "answers", they aren't necessarily good, accurate, or convincing.
Exactly! I honestly feel a bit bad for him because he thinks he gave bulletproof responses here. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... and a sad thing.
I think, my favorite part about this video are the questions you don't "answer" because of how ridiculous the argument is. I fully support totally ignoring bad ideas, they are merely strawmen and should be torched and ignored. Calling them reddit scholars was a nice touch.
Ignoring them in this video is okay, but it is important to know real answers to those questions because, although they're low hanging fruit, it's the low hanging fruit that's most often eaten by people who don't know better.
I'm not an atheist nor a redditor so I would've liked quite much if he did replied to those questions to the point where I'm not even sure if this an ironic video.
@@IridiumAxle exactly. athiests do believes some of these ideas that from an unbiased perspective are obviously convoluted and stupid but they dont see that, so we must show them rather than just ignore them.
As a shameless atheist (or at least agnostic) scumbag who got this video in my recommended, here’s my live rebuttal to the first quarter of the arguments here, as I watch it: 1. This is true, but it’s not a rebuttal against atheism (that God doesn’t exist), it’s a rebuttal against anti-theism (that belief in God is a net negative on society). I don’t think religion is necessarily evil, I just don’t think it’s logically justified. 2. See number 1: I want counterarguments to atheism, not anti-theism. 3. You just completely ignored the point of the argument here, and that a lot of people AREN’T atheist because of birth: they were raised religious, but realized there was no justification for their beliefs when they became an adult. Meanwhile, by far the most common reason for belief in Christianity is because one’s friends and family are Christian: it’s a tradition, not a logically-reasoned belief. 4. Atheists can’t know whether a specific worldview is true, but they can reason it out through logical reasoning and a cause-and-effect approach to morality. Meanwhile, there’s no logical reason why someone would believe in one religion over the other: like I said, it’s a tradition, nothing more. 5. That’s not an explanation, it’s just an excuse: “Well of course you can’t prove that an angry old man created the world, the 2000 year old book I got this information from specifically said no one can prove his existence!” By that logic, you might as well believe in the Tooth Fairy. 6. Do you have any source for the possession claims, other than a book filled with anecdotal evidence from someone who has every reason to lie about this? And the evidence of NDEs being real experiences is, to put it lightly, highly inconsistent: some people seem to accurately remember small details, others don’t even come close. 7. What about the literal factual inconsistencies in the Bible, like how it describes Goliath dying in two completely different ways (a contradiction so egregious that most translations retcon the second death into being Goliath’s brother)? 8. I would take any claims of early Christian knowledge with a massive grain of salt: there is very little evidence that people like St. Ignatius ever actually met the apostles, let alone were able to attest to the Gospels actually being written by them. As it stands, by far the most reliable interpretation of the Gospels is that they were written a few decades to a century after the events they claim to describe, and likely based on at least a couple earlier manuscripts (hence the large amount of near-identical passages). 9. Just because there’s a lot of debate over how the Gospels altered the story of the historical Jesus, that doesn’t mean that the Gospels are a completely factual account of events that actually happened (an idea that’s highly unlikely, to say the least). 10. That’s not proof that Jesus was actually God, it’s just proof that the Gospels wrote Jesus as if he was the son of God. You might as well say that Mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook due to being rejected by his girlfriend, when the only evidence of that is how Aaron Sorkin wrote it in The Social Network. I’m gonna stop here: my mobile UA-cam comment box can’t handle the wall of text I’m writing here, and I honestly don’t have the energy to write any more. Suffice it to say, if these are the brilliant arguments you’re starting off your hypothetical anti-atheist debate with, you need to find better arguments.
This is a tiktok level video and not an actual scholarly analysis. The claim atheist nations/leaders are the most murderous is insane. Many conflicts in history slaughtered 100% of their enemy. Just because more people existed in the 20th century isn't an argument for a higher rating on the murder scale.
This has to be higher up. Regardless of ones own beliefs the debate has to be in good faith with honest arguments instead of cherry-picking and strawmanning
Fellow atheist/agnostic scumbag here. I think the video and comments agreeing with its viewpoints are enlightening to read, but yeah, it's very hard to prove anything when it seems the two sides are drawing from very different bases of evidence. For instance, for atheists the Bible might not seem like a reliable source of information, while for some theists it might be irrefutable. Add to whether things are literal or metaphorical, and I find it's very hard to remain objective when objectivity itself is defined differently.
To 4 i would answer that you are wrong in there being no logical differences in religions. Theology is a real thing and the different branches of religion wager a real debate amongst themselves about who is interpreting the bible right. Wether you think jesus is the messiah or the nature of jesus soul the importance of muhammad and who his rightful successor was etc. it’s not just blind tradition but also a question who has the better arguments for their case and thus the resulting religious beliefs. To 5. Thats just the answer to the argument that science cant proof god. Are you saying he is misrepresenting the argument again ? Because the argument itself is refuted quite well by saying that science concerns and can only concern itself with the already existing material world. It can’t explain its ultimate origin
The entire thing for my fellow lazy ppl 1) I believe in science so that means god can't be real 2)I was raised Christian and I have trauma (they said not to sin) 3) look here is a violent Bible verse that nobody ever noticed before 4) there is contradictions in the Bible (that the Church has never noticed) 5) SKY DADDY 6) if God is real why don't I have a gg yet? 7) I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho) 8) your god did a genocide in the flood he big meanie Timestamp: 0:06
Maybe you are aware of this by now, but just in case. This video along with your “all arguments to explain God” has basically served as a rough outline and pathway down dozens of hours of research. I was struggling feeling like my studying was arbitrary and all over the place, but using these videos as a framework for my study has been immensely helpful. Thank you for this.
‘If you were born someone else you wouldn’t be a Christian’ isn’t trying to dismiss your beliefs by arguing they’re meaningless because they’re shaped by environment. It’s arguing that the main factor in whether you got to heaven or hell is where you were born, which clearly isn’t moral or fair
Whether God is good is a completely different issue from whether or not God exists. When people start acknowledging their Creator, *then* we can have a discussion about how nice He is.
@@christopherbravo1813 what nonsense. Imagine this scenario: You’re only allowed to have an opinion at the election if you’re a party member, and if you’re not a party member you get tortured for eternity. Sounds like “free will” 😂
@@christopherbravo1813 Im just here for someone to prove he exists without bible cases, psychosis or reports that have no ability to be fact checked in even the most shallow ways.
That is like asking “The heater can only make heat so how is there cold?” A good thing doesn’t necessarily imply an incorruptible thing, those are two different attributes.
@@PatrickWDunne reading this just makes me think you're a monkey. The fact that you can't understand that free will exists even though you had the thought to type the comment and not God is actually absurd.
For real. I mean ofcourse he is biased, but it feels like these are the worst arguments ever because which atheist says god is not real because “ oh why does the bible support slavery”
We aren’t expecting a lecture. We are expecting factually correct researched information. Well documented info can still fit within the timepsan that he gave himself if you cut it brief. However, the arguments used in this video are often incomplete and misleading.
I don't think you understand what 'faith' means. Christians have faith that God will be there for them and help them and have faith that He'll answer their prayers, not faith that He exists at all.
@@lukebaker5135 how can Christians say that the existence of God in unfalsifiable but also say that their belief in God's existence isn't based on faith
He’s a Calvinist, he doesn’t believe in free will, that mentality makes God seem narcissistic. Watch impact videos ministries, they have better arguments
@@UnidentifiedFlyingSquirrel Not just narcissistic, but it also makes God into some kind of arbitrary judge who's messing around with His followers (like what's even the point of the gospel, which is supposed to be good news, if God is essentially shooting love/grace arrows at random people at random times?). I hate Calvinist theology, but I love Calvinists, especially when they're actually showing fruits of the Spirit and focusing on the gospel, but their theology will sometimes get in the way of them being kind and loving towards others. Calvinism brings pride and arrogance. It's toxic.
@@WeakestHater Free will to choose but only one choice is apparently the *only* correct one while anything is eternal punishment? That's just an illusion of free will
@@freshcarrot2253 lol that was an inside joke because of nameless's profile pic. there's nothing wrong with observing the other side and offering honest criticism...
It’s something we glaze over a lot without thinking about it, but it really gets me thinking about it. I am special enough to be cared about by an eternal creator among all the stars and animals and people and galaxies. It’s such a beautiful love story “Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!” Luke 12:24
here’s a bag of candy, some of it is poisoned but you don’t know which ones!!! normal people: don’t eat any of it, this guy: shoves the whole thing in his mouth
0:12 No one says that 0:24 That is just wrong. Hitler and Mao were religious. Hitler was a Pantheist. Mao spoke against religion in the form of the religious leaders using the faithful, not against god or belief itself. He saved many religious sanctuaries during the revolution, which would've otherwise been destroyed by the mob. 0:33 You completely fail your strawman. I can be/become an atheist anywhere - You can only become a christian where the word of christianity is spread. 0:40 1. Humanism is a religion 2. You don't need faith for a world view - Those are two different things. I don't need faith in anything to be a nihilist. 0:50 Yes, science only deals with stuff that exists... Your point? Science never 'disproves' anything as the burden of proof comes with the claim. Saying god doesn't exist isn't the claim that needs evidence. 1:15 I ain't paying 30€ for that book. 1:25 Okay let's list a couple, maybe you can explain them: How long does gods anger last for? Forever (Jer 17:4) or not forever (Micah 7:18) Were humans created before (Gen 2:18-19) or after (Gen 1:25-27) animals? How much did David pay? 50 (2 Sam 24:24) or 600 (1 Chr 21:25) shekels? 1:39 Another point that no sane human ever brought up as an argument 1:45 Now you just argued against the gospels? Okay? 2:07 Now he did claim that he was god (John 10:30) 2:40 What about James tho? Paul didn't really have anything to do with anything in the beginning. 2:50 As the bible isn't taking a clear stance you can make arguments for both side, but tbh even if the bible allows slavery... It has nothing to do with the argument itself. 3:10 same as before 3:35 Does that make him good? Because he gives and takes life? Idk, it also feels like it's failing the point. 4:00 Yes, people are more likely to become atheists with a higher standard of living. This happens everywhere, not only in christian societies. Also - Those countries aren't atheistic, they just aren't deeply christian and haven't been for hundreds of years. The rise of fall of those nations had nothing to do with their religiousness. 4:20 Well it is a good gotcha if someone is unprepared - But it's not an argument in any form, yes. 4:30 Please explain why. Why is a godly creator more likely than a random event. Mind you, before the big bang there was no such thing as time, so why is something happening in an infinite amount of time less likely than a creator just existing. 4:40 Not sure what morons says this, god is based on faith and science can't disprove faith. That is by definition not possible. Yes, the curiousity about god and nature lead to science. Yes, almost all centers of learning where held by theologians and the church. Doesn't proof anything tho, as it has nothing to do with the argument. 5:15 Why is there a why? Also -> If we don't know something then a lot of people will tell you that it's proof of god. It's always the point we fail to understand (yet) which is used as proof that some greater being (god) must(!) be behind it. 5:27 God is the creator of evil (Is 45:7) I cba to do all of them so from now on I'll just do those I feel like - If anyone takes issue tell me which one specifically to address. 6:08 Funny little thought experiment - But you can do that with science aswell and it's just as funny. It neither proves nor disproves anything. 6:27 Because he created it (Is 45:7) 6:37 Well back in the day you got people in line with fear. A bit more bs that I cba to react to 7:20 Yes, parts (like holidays) were taken from other religions. It helps people ease into it as they already know more about it. It wasn't a 1:1 copy of another religion tho. 7:30 Yes, you're completely right. Who are the idiots claiming that faith is the opposite of logic? It's on two different levels. 7:50 How old is the world? How does it work with such a small amount of time and why did it slow down so extremely? Also how big was Noahs Ark? 8:12 It took over a small part of the empire. One of which was Constantine who made it rather popular in the elite circles of the empire and Theodosius I. who crushed the pagan west and basically forced it to convert after the 394 battle of the frigidus. But yes, Christianity also had a major spread without war. 8:20 I will be honest - I've never heard anyone say this. That just doens't make any sense at all. 8:25 This is also a mood point, the amount of denominations neither proves nor disproves anything. 8:32 Yes, a guy named Jesus existed. Since we are there already... What about his brother? Anyone heard something from James recently? The church seems to have just gone with Paul the Roman after instead of James who was supposed to be the heir of the christian movement. 8:50 Well yes, that is what faith is about. Again anyone seriously trying to use this as an argument is a clown.
Islam cuz it hypocritical and teaches forced religion, Judaism because ( jews from before where not like jews now) and the messiah already came to earth they just believe not even tho all evidence supports that Jesus is the messiah, and all the rest are just pagan, @@dragoncaos7098
The argument isn't "Your geographical location influenced your belief, therefore your belief is false." The reason someone holds a belief has nothing to do with whether or not it is true. The argument is "If a god exists and reveals themself to all people, we would not expect geographical location to be the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Location _is_ the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Therefore such a god does not exist."
First of all, location is not the primary indicator for religious affiliation; there are a multitude of factors that may influence what someone believes, but it all comes down to what someone chooses to believe. If it wasn't so, we wouldn't have individuals or minority groups who go against the majority culture. Presenting one factor as the primary indicator for religious affiliation neglects the complexity of reasons for why people believe what they believe. Second, you're presenting a false dilemma: either everyone believes the same thing, or God doesn't exist. You're forgetting a third option. Yes, God has chosen to reveal Himself to all nations, either through Scripture, the human conscience, or the natural world. However, mankind still has the free will to reject God and create their own religions, because even though they don't want anything to do with the one true and living God, they cannot get rid of their need to believe in something. It would be akin to arguing that because there is a real Dollar, no counterfeit dollars could ever exist, but since we have counterfeit dollars, therefore there is no real Dollar. If anything, the existence of counterfeit dollars underscores the necessity for a real Dollar, because if there was no real Dollar, how would you know if it was counterfeit? You don't even need to use God to prove this. I bet that most people know that eating fast food is unhealthy and will kill you slowly if eaten excessively, yet they still do it. The problem is not that people don't have knowledge, but rather that you need to explain why people act a certain way in spite of what they know. TL;DR - False dilemma; even if God made Himself known 100%, people could still reject Him because of free will.
@@PppPlyr2 it absolutely IS the primary indicator. Almost all muslims are born or are recently decended from majority muslim countries, and the same goes for almost all Christians being born in the west.
@@Daniel-vl8zmSaying it's the primary factor doesn't account for the religious differences WITHIN the members of the various denominations, but of course leave it to atheists to generalize to the degree that individuals stop existing and only groups remain.
@@Daniel-vl8zm See? You yourself disprove your own position; you say "almost all Muslims" (emphasis on "almost all"). If location was the primary factor, wouldn't you expect 100% allegiance to whatever religion is prominent in that area? As an aside, even if location was the primary factor, what does that have to do with whether or not that religion is true or not? Truth remains true regardless of location, so you cannot assess the truthfulness of a religion based on where it came from. Also, I didn't see a response to my second point.
@@PppPlyr2you clearly don’t understand what “primary” means and that’s ok. No, location being the primary factor does NOT imply 100% at all, it literally means “almost all”. It wouldn’t be “primary” factor then, it would be the “only” factor
fr i thought exactly the same, bro picked the weakest arguments and still failed to counter most of them. At this point most christians are just lying to themselves, they`re ignoring arguments and saying they won debates were they clearly lost
His bit about comparing Scandinavia to Communist China and saying that the former was rooted in Christianity was pretty funny. Other than the blatant cherry picking, it refutes nothing and makes the implication that Scandinavia would be in the same place as China without Christianity. It's a bit sad that people in the comments are taking him dead seriously.
Im an atheist and i agree that some atheist arguements are not very good, but for some of these I wish to counter your arguements, please keep in mind that I wish to only create peaceful debate. 0:49 this is not a sufficient counter agruement to me, just because something is not disprovable does not mean that it may be likely to be true, I could say that a different god controls the universe and argue for its existance simply by saying you can't prove its not real. 1:02 while these occourances may seem strange, it could be that they were exposed to certain information e.g. languages from films or holidays, which they could then make sence of from some event. They may also recall information from such events, even if they entirely forgotten it. 4:23 If you use the arguement that god was uncaused, why could i not then use that same arguement to say that existance was uncaused? 5:36 I would like some elaboration, but if this is because of Adam and Eve, why should we be punished for what they did? And also why does God sometimes not punish those who have done wrong, but sometimes punish those who have not done wrong? 5:46 This is stating that the idea of good has to come from a god, but evolution could explain how morals are naturally formed, because peoples need to help others leads to more surviving humans, causing our race to survive. 6:25 this says that a triumph over evil is greater than a lack of evil, but personally I believe this to be false, to this day there is so much unnecessary pain that leads to many innocents suffering or dieing. I personally belive that a world without evil would be a better than a world with evil which you need to defeat. 7:25 All these analogies are not the same as faith in God, in all of these examples we have reasons to believe these things, e.g. food would not be harmful because if it were there would be legal trouble for that company and it would harm business, or we can believe that your wife loves you due to previous interactions. 8:23 If there is so much disagreement on the bible, why doesn't god clarify? Wouldn't a all knowing god know that we would misinterpret it and clarify? I am open to discussion and I will be respectful. Also I made sure not to comment on arguements that either I didn't understand, didn't have enough knowledge on, or arguements from atheists that even I think are weak.
It all boils down to faith in the end. There is no way to actually prove most of the existential questions plaguing the human mind. An atheist simply refuses to believe any of the theories presented to him, because none of them really make sense. There are holes in every single theory out there, and I can live my life without choosing one. I understand some people have been conditioned into believing certain stories, and this is fine, because stories are a part of the human condition. I also know some people find joy in their faith as some people live in terrible conditions where hope for a good afterlife is all they have. They're simply satisfied with the shortcoming of their theories and chose to have faith, because that makes them happier and more comfortable. I chose not to have faith, because I don't gain anything from it. How the world came to be is not something I can answer and no-one has so far convinced me in any of their arguments. I only believe in science that can be proven, and will not judge if anyone disagrees with me. For if I cannot prove anything myself, who am I to do anything but disagree?
I too only wish for peaceful debate :). 1. You could say a different god controls the universe, but then that's not really an argument for atheism anymore. 2. True, though the whole argument isn't an argument doesn't directly address God's existence, just one aspect of God's impact; also, God doesn't exclusively work in supernatural ways -- most of the Bible is filled with God empowering people to act, or setting into motion perfectly normal things. 3. I would say that you can explain existence with God. You can't exactly presuppose why anything exists which exists in existence, so you must have some necessary thing (i.e. God) to explain it from outside the set of contingent things. 4. We deserve it because humans are inherently evil, because we all have inherited that evilness from our ancestors. Also, God punishes everyone. 5. Morals can absolutely be naturally formed -- for example, "killing Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and disabled people is good for the Aryan race by removing impurities" was a morality that was formed and genuinely believed to be righteous. In Christianity, God's morality is the most-good morality, though we're still not perfect as humans at following it. 6. Triumph over evil is a greater good in the eyes of God than a lack of evil. Also, I personally think evil is necessary for us humans to overcome otherwise we would always be stuck in the same state forever. If there were no evil, no adversity, why would we ever improve ourselves? 7. You have faith that they care about their business or laws/there isn't some interloper poisoning you. You have faith your wife hasn't stopped loving you/hasn't been pretending/whatever. 8. There is far more agreement than disagreement. Whether churches feature icons of God or not, or how the church is organised doesn't really matter to God so much as belief in the trinity, the resurrection, the nature of God, et cetera. Hope you enjoy reading and discussing.
@@emuannihilator5774human are inherently evil?? what??? Weren't we were given free will?? so if i do not use it to do any bad thing, i am still evil?? then how can God be called Just?? Also child cancer cannot be justified because they have not even able to use their free will.....what do u say about that(sry for my bad English)
@@emuannihilator5774you are saying evil is necessary as if we need to celebrate evil , because anytime anything evil happens that allows us to triumph over it..... in that case is Holocaust a necessary thing for the evolution of mankind as a moral being??? Did God intended to allow Holocaust in the first place for us to understand what is good and bad?? If thats the case, How is this God not a genocidal maniac????
@@jeppepuusfaith is a belief in something that cannot be fully proved, so as your truly relationship with your friend or whoever. You don't want to accept God's existence, because being christian is harder than being atheist, so no argument will make you think another way, because all people want easy life and do whatever they want to. So the problem is in you, not in God. The fact is that arguments about faith are useless, because christians know that God is real and atheists know that God is not real. God is about relationships, not about knowledge. You have to try the cake to say if it's tasty or not by yourself, no argument about its taste will make you 100% sure how good or bad it is just for you. Bless you!
Counterpoints / general comments 1. Religions are mutually exclusive by nature, you can not simultaneously believe in both the Christian creation story and the Hindu creation story, but you can however see common ground between worldviews in a middle ground, they aren’t mutually exclusive so much as which lens do you choose to look through most 2. Yes, by definition science only studies the natural world, however if a god were to exist it would be considered then part of that natural world, something is only supernatural as long as it remains out of observable (not necessarily by sight) existence 3. Can you provide examples of these possessions and other such events? And can you prove their validity? 4. There are contradictions in the Bible that aren’t explainable in such ways such as with dates, times, or numbers (granted I usually leave that to transcription error, thought I’d add it to the conversation) 5. Not so much a disagreement point as an interesting addition to the “condoning slavery” bit, in my own studies I’ve found there’s no concrete time (to my knowledge) the Bible outright looks down upon homosexuality in and of itself, even though it does however often get shown with directly sinful behavior, still it does support certain things which I don’t agree with in marriage and such 6. I have a few issues with the Atheism Prosperity point, first I don’t believe being heavily Protestant directly affected their prosperity so much as geopolitical factors, secondly, though I don’t necessarily disagree with the idea that prosperity likely led to a rise in atheism I believe this can be also attributed to possible rises in education leading to more secular world view, and finally, China was not atheist for most of its existence and has had a very interesting history with religion, only becoming atheistic in 1949 which was only a move to prevent congregations of individuals which may oppose them. 7. While yes it’s a different question than which religion is right, if there even is a god somewhat supersedes the question as asking which is correct implies one must be. Also, saying we only believe in one religion less is just us saying that not believe a god is just as valid as you believing there is a god, often only an argument used against people saying we must believe in a god (which happens a lot more than some theists seem to think). 8. You cannot simply state that “it makes more sense” for there to be a universal creator without backing it up, because to me it makes objectively less sense than a random event occurring after an infinite time span, in which the event must eventually occur due to the concept of infinite time for it to occur. 9. Just because older scientists, and even some modern scientists, were theistic, it doesn’t mean that science can’t disprove god, in fact with the Big Bang having been observed through seeing its light, many stories of creation are disproven. Whether the scientists who gather the data understand, believe, or agree with the idea that it disproves a theistic worldview doesn’t actually matter so much. A theistic scientist from a time long past doesn’t mean gods and modern science mesh well. 10. I agree the argument that god fills in gaps is dumb, I don’t believe in a god but I say there are things science has yet to fully understand, but a believer would say their god is the reason for all science, a god filling in gaps would only work if you only partially believe that a god exists. 11. I don’t agree with the “we deserve it” idea because if god truly created us from the ground up why instill evil to begin with? I get the whole free will thing but if you make humans naturally vehemently averse to murder and death (and also don’t create genetic abnormalities and conditions in youth to disrupt natural function) then we wouldn’t deserve it, so we deserve it because he made us deserve it, so why make us deserve it? 12. I disagree that evil isn’t a lack of good, neutral is the lack of good or evil, but you can go out of your way to be especially evil, for example murders have been committed without reason, an act of evil where one that simply wasn’t being good would’ve just done nothing. Also if good is only in terms of god how can a person have a different perception of what is good? 13. Someone who does things objectively bad in order solely to glorify themselves even at the expense of others is simply a narcissist. Also, I’d like you to tell a cancer patient that triumph over the cancer was better than just not having cancer. They’d present you with all the unnecessary suffering that just not having cancer would’ve prevented, triumph over evil isn’t better is just means that someone gets the glory of triumph while a bunch of collateral sits in its wake where there could’ve been peace to begin with. 14. Wishful thinking doesn’t necessarily have to be perfect, just better than the current situation, so making contrast with how much we suck now with how perfect an after life is honestly just reinforces the wishfulness of it all. 15. Actually, just because we have a psychological reason doesn’t mean psychological benefit unless you want to say that development into a psychopath is beneficial. The body and mind are quite often cruel to themselves, like giving ourselves fevers we couldn’t hope to survive if only to eradicate one disease. 16. The difference in the romantic experience and the spiritual experience being both explained by chemical phenomena is one is attached directly to something observable, I’d just as happily argue that on a technicality “romance” as concept only exists in our heads just as much as a spiritual experience might. 17. Faith does mean trust however I only have faith in things I’m given reason to have faith in, I trust my food won’t be poisoned because of precedent working as reason to make a logical conclusion that it won’t. The real opposite of logic and reason is blind faith, or faith without reason, like belief that a random, unidentifiable substance is non-toxic without any data on the substance. 18. Evolution doesn’t disprove god so much as it disproves a strictly literal interpretation of the Bible, but then can you trust a strictly literal interpretation of god? 19. I do fully agree a completely omnipotent and omniscient god could have personal relationships with as many things as it damn well pleases, but I feel like he would’ve put us, or something like us on more than one random ass space rock (less a critique and more just me saying that I want mars friends damnit)
@@Lasecondacampana.a A casus belli is an act or an event that either provokes or is used to justify a war. A casus belli involves direct offenses or threats against the nation declaring the war, whereas a casus foederis involves offenses or threats against its ally-usually one bound by a mutual defense pact.
@@Lasecondacampana.aI wouldn't say religion causes all wars, however, many wars are started for power and money, sometimes land and control, an example is the war in Ukraine. Putin did not start it because of religion, he wanted to take over Ukraine.
tbh I like Redeemed Zoomer but this video was damn near a set up for atheists to dog pile on christianity. It's annoying because there are great youtubers and videos out there that give actual explanations to a lot of these things, but this video went viral because it was so easy to pick on nearly every argument here
Well one dude said'no man hath seen god at any point' qne another dude brought up seeing god. Whos right? Jacob or john? Not to mention all of the flaws with adam and eve. Incest horrificially disfigures people. Doing that since the beggining of humanity? We'd be unrecognisable. And theres a ton of evidence that supports evolution. And we're not all related biologically, so how can we be from the same parents? Plus theres like a thousand other religions. I'd have just as good of a chance as I would making up my own religion. Lets say I believe in christianity. But now I never become one with brahman. Or I get sent to hell by zeus? (Don't know much about that one) if I had to choose which religion I wanted to believe in I'd probably choose hinduism. When you die its just like 'game over, try again'
@@JLTrj00913 Well one dude said'no man hath seen god at any point' qne another dude brought up seeing god. Whos right? Jacob or john? Not to mention all of the flaws with adam and eve. Incest horrificially disfigures people. Doing that since the beggining of humanity? We'd be unrecognisable. And theres a ton of evidence that supports evolution. And we're not all related biologically, so how can we be from the same parents? Plus theres like a thousand other religions. I'd have just as good of a chance as I would making up my own religion. Lets say I believe in christianity. But now I never become one with brahman. Or I get sent to hell by zeus? (Don't know much about that one) if I had to choose which religion I wanted to believe in I'd probably choose hinduism. When you die its just like 'game over, try again'
I must thank Redeemed Zoomer for this video. Without it I wouldn't have had all the laughs watching the countless atheist response videos. This one video has been a gold mine for atheist creators and has provided me hours of entertainment. Thank you Redeemed Zoomer!
You know a video is good when you have already seen 7 people debunk it and there are still other interesting ways to debunk it that you haven't seen yet
@@pythondrink I'll name some who debunked it. Alex O'Connor, Professor Plink, Rationality Rules, and Sir Sic. These are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
I understand that discussions about the existence of God can be challenging, and perspectives can vary. One specific point you mentioned was about the weakness of the arguments presented. Could you provide an example of a specific argument that you found weak? I'd like to explore it further and see if we can delve into the specifics. Keep in mind that the complexity of theological discussions often involves subjective interpretations, and what might seem weak to one person could be compelling to another."
@@HyperDriveHub-420 „Somewhere you are less likely to be Atheist” - No, somewhere you are more likely to be Discriminated as an atheist. „Religious wars are only 10% and it’s mostly Muslim.” - Christian holy wars were still destroying great cities, like Jerusalem, plundering all wealth and often g***ciding all populations.
>strawman every argument >still somehow fail to rebut the strawman Ladies and gentlemen, the peak of Christian intellect. This is like the greentext where the dude lost an argument against an imaginary person in his head and even stuttered.
Seriously. This is the second video I've gotten recommended to this guy and the one before this one was him changing the definition of math to "prove" god
@@virtueschan like what/when? Where is your evidence, what are you talking about? if something goes against ur ideology dont just make a baseless claim to try and cover yourself, name specifics
Hi Redeemed Zooomer! Thank you for this illuminating video. I really was down the wrong path all my life. I was a religious person until I saw this. I wish I were religious though, because I'd have hope that there's a special place for people like you.
I watched this as a Christian who has always struggled with doubts, hoping there'd be good points, and the video is so braindead it unironically has probably had the opposite effect from what I hoped. When it would come to a legit question I ask myself all the time, he either says something that makes Christianity sound unappealing, God sound evil, or himself sound like a moron. And his video on Heresies is similar but with extra judgemental shit. I watched it to learn about them and just ignored the bits where he called each and every one stupid lol
@@washabe Yeah, this is an absolutely awful video and I'm convinced it is bait. I have many theist friends and none of them are like this. The person who made this video is either truly an imbecile or pretends to be one to attract attention / views. Good luck (with regards to the doubts thing)! Either way, you seem to be a nice person so it's all good in the end. Or that's how I see it. Cheers!
I needed this thank you so much for posting this please pray for some of my friends who do not believe and may the LORD our God bless you all abundantly forever and always in JESUS mighty and precious name Amen🙏🏽❤️✝️
as an atheist, I love your channel because it talks about other religions as well. But I have to say, damn. These are some major strawmen arguments, and the ones that you respond to arent even good reasons, they can be broken up so easily
@@brianrardin8441 I have alot of examples but here's one His response to "A lot of evil has been done in the name of Religion". He said "Well, a lot of bad people were atheists, like Ad*lf H*tler" This does not provide a rebuttal to the point. The mistake he is making is that he is avoiding the actual point. Those bad people like AH do not do their bad deeds in the name of "atheism". While some religious people do bad things in the name of religion. You don't see atheists blowing up buildings, commiting murders and other things in the name of Atheism. Maybe some atheists are bad people, but they aren't doing bad things FOR atheism. That's the difference. AH didn't kill all those people in the name of atheism. But i have plenty of examples of religious people doing bad things IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.
My fellow Zoomer and Brother in Christ, excellent analysis. I will be adding this video to my watch later. To utilize some of these arguments on a later date.
@noakinn A rock that performs the ends to which it was created can be described as a "good" rock. A cup with a big hole in the bottom of it is a bad cup, because it was created to be drank out of and it cannot be used to this end.
"Why did god let evil exist at all?" "Because he's glorified in defeating it" This statement singlehandedly shows how religion physically alters the mind. You cannot fail to see the utter wrongness in every which way of this statement, unless you've thoroughly deluded yourself.
Just on a sidenote: According to the bible, god has created evil on purpose. And obviously, he isn´t defeating or fighting anything. He is way too busy giving aids and ebola to helpless starving children in africa.
@@gianni206 Sorry but that was the dumbest sentence I have ever heard. Can you explain how that should be the case? Every day about a million children get raped, please explain what good comes from that?
See, true Atheists will never be douchebags to ask questions like these. I'm Orthodox and have many Atheist friends, there's always so much respect between the two different viewpoints and the desire to learn more about them. People asking questions like these are just losers with nothing going on in their life who wanna make other people bitter, reddit atheists and discord mods.
in real life (outside of reddit), it's the religious extremists who harass people with their annoying recruitment tactics. normie athiests and religious people should team up against the extremists.
Idk what's the reason to disprove the 'arguments' of everyone its really not changing anyone's beliefs in the first place i'm an atheist but my goal isn't to make everyone an atheist but it seems to be the goal of religion based channels..., to convert or convince anyone that thier religion (here Christianity) is the reason of everything that has ever happened.
@@Th3Visitor I’m also atheist, but I don’t ever try to proselytize others into being atheists.. I never tried to “argue” about religion because we will literally never know if there is a God, plus my goal is not to tell people “hey I think your religion is wrong”
@@Th3Visitor an act of saving the world. Same with religious folks that try to shove stuff on people. They just care and think they're helping. You are indifferent like me which is what's morally questionable
@@Clqssics7 How about you just try actually reading or using critical thinking and not depend on a UA-cam video of a religious kid who doesn't know anything about atheism argue about it
@@rawkfist-ih6nk t'was a joke... -_- the arguments redeemed zoomer layed out aren't really in depth, and the whole video is meant to serve as a joke, honestly some atheists didn't get the memo, but I understand their interpretation also I wouldn't argue endlessly in the comment section if I were you, it would waste our time, so we can just agree-to-disagree and move on, yeah?
The contradiction between "god is supernatural, he' works outside of science" and "there have medically documented instances of miracles" is pretty funny.
While I do not think this video was a good one, nor am I even sure that there's a God, I want to point out that I don't think those two particular statements necessarily contradict each other. I've often heard God proposed as a being who, though beyond science in both capabilities and presence (for example existing on some other plane or in some non-physical form), can and does influence the material world by usage of these Godly abilities. For many consider God the creator, with ultimate influence over nature; not of it yet involved in it. You could consider an artist or a computer programmer as an example: not of the thing they create, certainly beyond it, but also with great ability to affect further outcomes should they so wish.
@Claire-tk4do I understand, but anything that affects the physical world can be tested, even if its ultimate origin is unknowable. After all, we don't know why the laws of the universe are what they are, but we can still measure them precisely. Or to use your programmer analogy, the faith-healing claim is that the we live in a programmer's simulation with code that says "if they worship me, I'll sometimes heal them miraculously". That claim is testable, even if the origin of the code isn't. And unsurprisingly, every time it's tested, it ends up being no better than random chance.
2:46 exodus 21:20-21 "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property" Redeemed zoomer, please explain this verse to me
This is from the Old Testament. This shows God's will for progressiveness. For context, slavery was accepted as a normal practice in ancient society (but this is not an endorsement of slavery);, and God was showing people its time for progressiveness by regulating social behavior and justice. Morality progresses through time. The New Testament, particularly through the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, emphasizes love, equality, and justice, which surpass the Old Testament regulations.
Consider yourself for the sake of the argument, that you are a Christian slave. God has put in the bible that your master cannot kill you. This was written to give you hope and survival under harshness of slavery that can happen (or might happen, hopefully never again) to anybody. This verse wasn't really meant for the slave owner, it is meant for the slave. It was written to provide solace that there are laws that offer you, the slave, protection. If the master kills you, they will be punished. Finally, New Testament obviously does not endorse slavery. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you" (Matthew 7:12) Why become a slave owner? Do you want to become a slave?
@@tigrederd So why did he ban everything else, but not this one thing? Also, the New Testament also allows slavery and the Bible never even hints at slavery being a bad thing, but it does condone it repeatedly
The universe exists. It didn't have to. Why is there something instead of nothing. Existence itself is supernatural for the fact that it exists at all. You will never find a way to make the birth of the universe natural.
I agree, that point is just straight up objectively wrong, we have no evidence proving nor disproving it. Saying it's true because theres no evidence against it is literally a logical fallacy
@@AlexIsPsychotic you have expunged the point he brought up, that people have come back from spiritual experiences with accurate information they didn't previously have access to. I find a lot of this video to be unhelpful to all, but that point is definitely valid and should not be glossed over.
the funniest thing about this has to be that midway through he tries doing a whiny voice for the wojak, but it sounds exactly the same as his normal Steve Urkel voice
Could you elaborate on your point that "triumph over evil is a greater good than evil just having never existed"? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but in I suppose more "earthly" terms, that's difficult to accept. Why is e.g. rescuing a child from an abusive home a greater good than a child never having been abused at all? Or, in less earthly terms, why does an entity that is great and all-powerful need to be further "glorified"?
Your confusing a good life with a neutral life Good and evil is binary neutrality is just good So yes a child not being abused is better but that’s because it is good not evil Evil is the lack of good so for goodness to exist evil must also exist
@@CarysV2 Totally wrong definition of "neutral". A neutral life good and bad, that is the binary life. While the good life is filled with highs. These are the definitive meanings but they can be subjective in the understanding of the two.
Why triumph over evil is greater than evil never existing, is because first of all it's a triumph (duh). Secondly, you know this is true from your own experience. Surely you know what it is like to relax, treat yourself and have fun after hard work or after suffering through something. That feeling is one of the best in the world. Surely you also know that if you had nothing to do, but relax, have fun and treat yourself, that would become boring, addictive and awful after some time. Those good things are meaningless, as all good things are meaningless, without having something bad to compare them to. Just like relaxation after hard work, we don't understand the glory and happiness of peace before we suffer. Without suffering, adversity and evil, heaven would be meaningless.
@user-hm6yf7or1t sir that’s not my job. I saw a video and responded to one of the things that they said in the video. I can go back in and watch and give you am some answers if you’d like
@@MykhailoAndrushchenko ...If you do want a comprehensive list of responses, I do think someone posted a video in response to this? Haven't fully watched it yet though. (Also for any future commenters, I am agnostic.)
@@MykhailoAndrushchenko I posted a comment addressing every single point, all I got for my effort was some weird transphobe telling me to touch grass lol.
Look guys, this may be an unpopular opinion but he’s not trying to be in depth. I think he was trying his best to entertain Christians. I’m a Christian myself and I laughed at a few of these myself. Meanwhile, atheists think this guy was going to sit down, and have a 20 hour talk about all of these questions. He probably had to simplify these because he needed time to make the next video. Anyway, I just think he didn’t have enough time to go in depth to these questions, and that’s ok, at least for me. Because he makes my day better anyway. 🥹 Bless you, Zoomer. 😇
If they wanted that they should also look at Mike Winger, because he definitely goes in-depth, and most likely has videos on these. (in fact I'm certain he does)
That's exactly what this video is. You can't have a serious discussion about ALL of these objections in 9 minutes. The atheists in the comments are giving off serious "15yo searches for 'atheist arguments debunked' videos on YT that they can take super-serious and be combative with in the comment section" vibes.
I mean don’t market your video as “disproving” atheist arguments when you can’t do so in the slightest. You don’t just get to say you’re disproving atheistic questions and then say you weren’t trying to do that when you get called out for how bad your arguments are. Some of his answers are even wrong from a Christian viewpoint for instance when he says God allows evil to happen because we deserve it when the entire book of job is about disproving that notion and showing that bad things happen to good people as part of God’s plan to make them better believers. I don’t believe in God and could defend Christianity better than this
My grandpa died of cancer, he was the nicest man I've ever met Tell me that he died because he (or I) deserved it yet Pol Pot died peacefully at home in his sleep Edit: Thank you to all the Christians and athiests being kind, but it is genuinely crazy how many "devout" and "kind" Christians will publicly say that a man they never met deserved to die of cancer, just because he didn't believe in the same god as they did
depends on what you think happens after death. if you believe there is a god, there is an afterlife where there is fairness. your grandfather suffered, but then could have experienced a joy of being free from pain. death isn't such a terrible thing if you believe in a god, but if you don't believe in a god, you have to face the cold harsh realities of genetics and nature. he lived a good life, and died a terrible death and that's it? i would say that's more upsetting than to think he was taken by a god who knows how good and loved he was. it's not about who deserves what, it's how do you choose to live life? bitterly and walking the world alone, or believing there is a higher power beyond this life
I dont really have a valid reason for being atheist. Lots of people tell me how God and Jesus saves, and when I was in a bad place he didn’t help me, so I helped myself. I dont hate God and I dont hate theists. I just think that the ability to overcome great adversity and be kind by your own merit is greater than waiting for a god to help you find that path.
Theists anger me with their stupidity, which often invokes hatred. I don't hate "god", but I think I understand why some atheists would if they went through a particularly brainwashing and abusive indoctrination.
You are not supposed to wait you were never supposed to god does not help those who sit in one place doing nothing hoping some miracle happens thats wrong god helps those who try hard and fight If you wanna achieve something and you want god's help god will help you only if you've put your will in it thats when god will support you and i have felt it in my life because i tried hard to achieve it then ask god for help Im not Christian im Muslim and we have a saying you do your job and god does its job your job is to follow gods orders and putting your will in the things you wanna do studying working .... Then allah shall help but won't get help or much help if you just sit in one place praying for some miracle
"Do you really think God made the entire universe just to have a personal relationship with you?" "I don't know. He's told us almost nothing about what's going on out there or why it matters. And it's not like it was that difficult for him."
I will try to explain it as best as I can. For God humans are his most valuable creation because we are made in his own likeness. God sees himself in all of us and so he is interested in having a deep relationship with us. He may have made everything else, but a star or a galaxy, no matter how pretty to him those things are, aren't like him. Only we have been blessed by him to be made in his image and after giving us the ability to speak and think he wants to see if we can think more like him and to see if we can appreciate the numerous things he gave us.
I agree that the arguments here aren’t very in depth, but they’re not trying to be. All these atheists are acting like they were promised some six hour thesis about philosophy, theology and metaphysics from a learned scholar. In reality it’s just a meme that was probably more so intended to make his fellow Christians laugh than to piss off atheists. A meme that atheists have and do use all the time.
Not just lacking depth but also fallaciously argued and strawmanned to hell lol. This is not the video you want to defend bud. Even Christians are making fun of how bad this video is.
depth cant fix thr flawed reasoning used in this video
and also, it seems pretty pointless for this video to be made in the first place if the arguments it gives arent in 'depth' enough to adequately answer the arguments
@@tyrone687 cope
So all the arguments are so bad and shallow that now it's just light hearted jokes.
"teehee its just a meme/joke brah, you dont have to take us seriously at all teehee."
-ifunny memejacker suffering from reduced gyrification
Also very sad to pin this comment, coward tactics are to be shunned not supported. Be a man and own up to your arguments, however "intentionally" shallow they might be.
“Why can’t God destroy evil?”
“He’ll do it eventually.”
“Why can’t he do it now?”
“Because he’ll destroy you.”
“Why does he let bad things happen at all?”
“We deserve it.”
A masterpiece of how not to make an argument
He will destroy you because you are a sinner, and by definition, evil. We deserve it because we sinned.
there's no point in arguing with christians because they didn't arrive to that conclusion through evidence and research, but rather indoctrination, fear mongering, and hope.
@@Eeeeerrttr "we deserve to live in a world of sin because we sinnned. why did god allow the world to be full of sin? idk, something about defeating satan and letting my son die on earth just so that nothing changes anyways and in the end 95% of his creations die anyway, but that doesn't matter, because it's their fault for existing anyway"
@@jan-3356 God did not create the sin, He create free will and PEOPLE chose sin.
@@jan-3356 he loves everyone and gives them a chance to accept, it talks about in the bible how jesus knocks at your door and gives you a chance to open it, its your choice hes not forcing you to make a choice
I'm a Catholic but sometimes *"I don't know"* is the only answer I can give. We don't have all the answers and to think so otherwise would be arrogance.
I am an atheist, and I completely agree. However, that stance seems to completely go against the idea of belief, and particularly against religious truth claims. I would say accepting the unknown exemplifies atheism.
Could you explain how you reconcile these things together?
@@peezieforestem5078 because if we were to simply use our faith as an answer we’d get shut down as that is typically what happens
@@JColeGlazer754 I am not sure I understand what you mean. Let me double-check:
are you saying, that you have an answer, which is "faith", but it is not satisfactory for atheists, so you have to resort to "I don't know" as the next best approximation.
Is that correct, or did I misrepresent your stance?
@@peezieforestem5078 it's not that hard to understand, and you sound like you're trying to sound smart. you sound like the human personification of google, you don't have to go that deep into it.
@@bitonic589 I think you're intelligence is so vast, you struggle to comprehend how stupid some people can be. I am certainly not as smart as you are, and I literally do not understand how I can differentiate between these 2 possibilities.
Whatever "depth" you saw in my comment -it's a reflection of your own thought processes - I was just asking a basic clarifying question.
I also don't understand how you can tell what I sound like, or why does it matter (what I sound like)... I hope you're not using text-to-speech, but if you do, of course I would sound as a personification of Google, because Google is literally voicing my text. So, if you don't like how it sounds, try using Siri (from Apple) or Alexa (from Microsoft). (assuming you were using text-to-speech).
I've seen even atheists defend god better...
Oh cut the crap@btssupreme921
bro what 💀@btssupreme921
@btssupreme921mid
Come on, that was pretty funny @@Think_mate_lol
@@MoeSzyslak20 nuh uh
I was a lifelong atheist, but last year, I found Christ. Having watched this video by Redeemed Zoomer, I am now back to being a lifelong atheist.
Thanks a lot, Redeemed Zoomer.
Real
How bro felt after typing that
@@MR_Wet
Return to the “sky daddy🎅🏿✝️” he knows everything ❤️
LMFAO
"why did God let evil exist at all"
"Because he's glorified in defeating it"
He who poisoned the river should be praised upon cleansing it?
So what he is saying is that God causes pain and suffering just to make himself look good? How does he not realize that he just made God sound like an evil jerk
@btssupreme921shut up
@@StrikerEureka13Yes. The guy made the Pharao stubborn just so he had an excuse to send the plagues.
atheist L built on maintained false premise
I believe a better answer would be is it really free will if God would stop evil?
was an atheist my whole life. but this video, it changed nothing.
who cares
@@jamaicanbambosa god does
Lol
@@jamaicanbambosa you do clearly
Cringe
"Why do bad things happen?"
"We deserve it"
welp, I'm convinced
It’s not wrong
@@endlessnutella8612 Dude, you're free to hate yourself if you want, but don't assume that I should too.
@@mallninja9805An narcissist thinking they’re better than others
@@mallninja9805 why do bad things happen in Islam is because those are basically hard questions in this test
@@EmperorofChinaItwillgrowlarger Not hating yourself because an invisible man in the sky told you to is narcissism.
"Well, to be fair, I never said they were GOOD answers"
😂😂😂😂
Lol 😂😂😂
But they were anyways
They were simple answers that settled simple questions. If you expect more elaboration, then reply.
@@w1ndnra1nbut they literally didn’t provide answers
How can anyone fail to debunk an argument even after strawmanning it?
no clue 😹😹
Which are you in reference to?
Looks like your thumbs-up says it all. Perhaps following MindShift would actually shed more light on these questions.
@@tyrone687If he claims to debunk 40 arguments in 9 minutes he better do that.
@@Ralzone the whole point is that he is debunking strawmans so i dont see the issue
"they can't agree so we can discard their opinions" what a wild statement
yeah i few of these were a little off. For example, "if you were born into a non christian country, then you wouldnt be christian", he just answered by saying "if you were born into another country, would you be atheist?". I feel like this doesnt really answer the original question. I interpret that question as saying "How is it ok to send people who have never heard of god to hell."
@@Syffx. I have a counter argument I am a Quaker and I think non Christian can go to heaven because we are all familiar with the same light of god, I’m a minority though there is only about 400,000 Quakers main stream Christian would probably rebut it by day isn’t it’s unfair that they won’t be saved but it’s also unfair that anyone ever was saved because we are inherently flawed and don’t deserve it(I don’t completely agree but that’s the majority argument)
I've seen atheists use the same logic to reject religion.
@@philipcollins90I’m not a big fan of Christianity in general, but you Quakers are alright in my book. You guys are one of the only Christian groups who can say you were abolitionists in the U.S. before the stance was mandated by secular culture. I’m sure there are a billion things we’d disagree about, but that aspect of your religion at least deserves to be called out and commended.
@@nathanjohnson9715 thank you
Saying that God let evil exist because he's glorified in defeating it is like starting your own war and then stopping it and being hailed as a hero, even though you directly caused all the suffering, so really you've just created evil.
well i mean i guess he simply got that wrong lol but in Christian theology, the allowance of evil is intricately tied to the concept of free will, a fundamental aspect of human existence. God's plan involves granting individuals the freedom to make moral choices, even if some choose to engage in wrongdoing. The existence of evil, therefore, stems from the exercise of free will rather than a direct act of God. The redemptive narrative in Christianity underscores the possibility of transformation, forgiveness, and the ultimate triumph over evil through divine intervention and human choices aligned with God's will.
god: "thou shalt feel the gravity of my trolling, let them ready at thee"
literally ☠
the video said, essentially, 'good' is 'in accordance with the nature of God', and 'evil' is 'absence of the nature of God', and therefore God is inherently good
@@clash1505 but evil is not necessary at all for people to be free, if you kill someone and enjoy it that doesn't do anything good for anyone, it's a waste of a human life and there's already countless things one could do to get that same satisfaction that aren't evil... God has created evil either willingly or unwillingly.
I was an Atheist all of my life , but this video proved me correct now I am even more Atheist
You have been exposed to the NDE hell testimonies. Research themzz
Atheism is indeed incorrect
@@c0axInDeEd 🤤
Literally what I was thinking the whole video
@@c0axcan you prove it?
I can't believe this guy actually tried to pull of the "jarvis, take their argument, depict them as a wojak and reply" strategy
It’s just a meme format you’re looking too deep into it
It is a channel literally called redeemed zoomer. Not sure what you expected.
Bla, bla, bla.
@@davidstanford9933why use a meme format if you are seriously trying to answer "all" atheist arguments? of course some people aren't going to take is seriously.
What is Wojak?
as a christian i find your response to the problem of evil disturbing and flat out wrong factually speaking
Ok, why?
Because he literally just tries to use doublespeak to ask “well what is evil? It’s not a physical thing so…let’s move on to the next dumb question I think I’m answering.”
@@nate_mccallisteri am an atheist, and i agree that it is a bad response, but it is not doublespeak. what he's arguing is that "good" is god's will, like a vase whose mold conforms to the appearance and functions of god's nature. then "evil" is just the distortion of god's will and nature, so a vase whose appearance and function is distorted.
but i'd argue it is a bad argument. since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function, then it is impossible to distinguish god's will from man's will. man is as much creator of worth as god, so either 1. god has given up all will to man, and therefore his judgement has become irrelevant (thus god does not exist in practice) or 2. god does not exist at all. if we cannot prove 1 then 2 proves itself either way.
He's a Calvinist. This is the best answer they've got.
@@lucca3113 This is terrible reasoning.
"since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function"
God created all things, including man. The created thing is not the creator. A man can program a computer to create an image, but that doesn't mean that "man has given up all will to the computer... and thus man doesn't exist in practice". It doesn't mean that man doesn't exist at all.
This is gaining a lot of traction.
Unfortunately for zoomer i dont think its the kind he was hoping for.
He is an embaressment for our generation.
@@cheifdonkey149 I think You've got it wrong my man. We aren't judging his arguments in relation to full fledged rebuttals, they just aren't good even by the standard of short quips.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714athiests at this day and age that are militant are an embarrasment
@@2007NissanAltima Atheists are normal people. Its culturs who are an embaressment when they have the full access to all human knowlage on the internet.
@@cheifdonkey149 Nobody told him that his video had to be confined to 10 minutes. He could've made a longer and more in-depth video if he chose.
i can defend religion better than this guy... i am an atheist
I actually did exactly that in religion class at school. I am a hardcore atheist, but 100% I could debate way better for this or that god than most of all theists.
It was a 9 minute video going thru 40 atheist arguments. With all due respect, it wasn't meant to be in depth run through . Especially hard to do seeing as he wasn't arguing against person, who can respond actively and give their own counter arguments ,but rather, typical atheist arguments. Also, my thing is, u can easily say that u could argue for faith better than this, or that u could disprove Christianity easily. But its like, then please do it? Please tell me exactly what it was that was so silly in this video.I am open to a conversation , a lot of Christians are open to conversations , bc we see this as important .
@@jessierosegirl6399 There is only one atheistic argument, and that is the following: Nobody has ever been able to present any proof, convincing evidence or even a single rational argument for his god to be more real than all the other gods we humans invented, so we don´t believe in all the gods for the same reasons why they do not believe in all the other gods.
So if you are open for a debate, I would love to hear your most convincing argument why your god should be more real than all the other gods. That´s all I ever asked for.
@@hitman5782 I'm open for a conversation. I think this is a really important topic to have .😊 Where do u want to do it?
@@jessierosegirl6399 Lol, no you are not. If you think you have something valid to say just post it.
Why did god let evil exist in the first place?
-Because he's glorified in defeating it.
Thats pride, the main sin
God can conveniently break the rules whenever he wants. He can lie and even kill people if he wants to.
@@Ffeoli1039 Thats real weird, why does god write the rules, and then break them himself?
@@fallanor3bcz christianity is bs made by humans to control people
@@Ffeoli1039So why should I follow someone who breaks their own rules?
@@treycopeland1368 well. I don't because I don't think God is real. You can do what ever you want
You picked the most brain dead arguments to go against and you gave yourself the Chad Wojack. 11/10 great debate
he picked the ones that can be explained in a brief 10 minute video. if you actually care then you can easily find more in depth explanations of the more complicated things on youtube
🤦♂️
Ok I’m a Hindu and I believe in god fully; however I don’t seem to understand what his explanation is for why god exists. You can’t prove by converses because there are an infinite amount of cases. He didn’t elaborate at all about the science question. For example, I could ask why the Bible has the creation date of the earth so incorrect? He never proves god isn’t in the natural world using mathematics. He simply states it. As long as he can’t do the math, he can’t be correct.@@thug588
He picked some of the most brain-dead arguments AND STILL somehow managed to make a fool of himself. This is one of my favorite videos on the planet
@@thug588 He didn't pick a single argument for atheism though.
This seems made for people who already agree with you and I get the feeling many of them would have cringed through this video regardless.
This was made for biased Christians who wanted their beliefs to be approved by somebody for them to feel good about themselves, like all of these "Debunking Atheism😎" style videos.
I am a Christian and I DEFINITELY cringed because he took complex questions that have real and legitimate answers and reduced those to quick answer gotcha orthodox based Chad bring the West back styled memes. He’s not winning any Christians over just as the top 10 Christian argument videos published by atheists aren’t winning any deconverts.
I cringed at the "atheist argument wheel".
@@junkaccount2535 Retorts.
1) Matt Dillahunty: ua-cam.com/video/itdHICIjuKY/v-deo.html
2) Alex O'Connor: ua-cam.com/video/emn-iSm1oHc/v-deo.html
3) Mindshift (w/ Brandon): ua-cam.com/video/A6xfYmrDdu0/v-deo.html
4) Professor Plink: (Part 1) ua-cam.com/video/O-EgjqP0QCM/v-deo.html & (Part 2) ua-cam.com/video/Ty_J2UKIKgY/v-deo.html
Naw I liked it. no body I’d run into would take it much deeper than he’s taking it. the average joe isn’t a biblical scholar ya know
Gotta love how 90% of his answers aren't "no, because..." but "yes, and..."
I thought that’s how you’re supposed to answer yes or no questions
@@jcwashington1088 read my comment again
@@shrekiscool4743 *oh*
@@shrekiscool4743 Well to be fair not all of them were yes or no questions
On some of them, he's just rewording them in a fancy, intellectual way, rather than answering them
I was looking for actually good arguments to challenge my atheism, and after watching this video, I found none. The amazingly massive amount of logical fallcies and wordplay in this video is absolutely breathtaking.
are you a scientist? Or just an egoist who doesnt want to be dependent by something he doesnt understand. We all feel mighty and strong alone untill the day comes, the day when we die
@@doctormomentos2514 He's right tho, the video is full of logical fallacies
@@playz7 can you tell me what are the fallacies please, i am very interested
@@doctormomentos2514 I can offer you something even better, and while my comment sounds sarcastical, it actually is not, so I ask you to take it seriously.
Watch a video on the different types of logical fallacies. Alternatively, you can google them or ask Chat GPT to give you a list of them with a short explanation and example for each of them.
I believe that this is important for everyone to do because afterwards, it is almost like you can view the world in a different way; you will start to see logical fallacies everywhere, as people like to use them to win an argument or make a point when they're out of ideas. It will help you see which politicans are lying to get your vote and which are more trustable. If you're ever in an argument with someone, being aware of logical fallacies will massively help you. You may also notice how you unintentionally use logical fallacies from time to time without knowing it. After being aware of them, discussions will become easier and you may avoid to fall for lies or false arguments.
However, as to not ignore your initial request; I think the very first logical fallacy is that atheists are basicly depicted as soy boys/virgins, thus the content creator is already trying to downplay them. I believe it falls under the ad hominem fallacy.
@@doctormomentos2514 the detection of logical fallacies is something learnt and taught to people as early as highschool. I'll give you a few timestamps in this video, and let you train yourself on their identification!
0:00 to 9:04
I watched "Logical fallacies explained" right before this video. Thanks for the exercise.
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youtube algorithm giving you a pop quiz!
LMAO
@@trevrockrock16 UA-cam doesn't allow me to write essays that'll address all these 40 points and all the logical fallacies he's commiting.
@@trevrockrock16 we all here to argue bud
As a Christian, I feel this piece falls a little short on the explanation side of things. While I (inner circle, regular Bible reader) can understand the meaning and context to most of the answers to each argument, I don't think the majority of "answers" really answered anything. It often just posited an opposing point, without sufficient supporting evidence. The answers with quotes from Church fathers and Bible quotes were the best responses. Every answer to each of these questions should tie back to those things in some way.
The questions itself where also strawmanned and condensed into one sentence, so answering them wouldn't even have been usefull
I feel like the answers were good but he rushed them for the video. If he further explained his point it would be much better
@@mr72126 The answers weren't even answers to the already strawmanned argzments he presendted
I'm not entirely sure that this was meant to bring atheists to God. This could be a building ground for us Christians to work upon and expand, just as a basic idea. However, I do agree with you. But if he had explained each one in depth it would have been days long. God bless!
A christian presenting arguments without supporting evidence??? Never.
Thank you for this video. It cleared a lot of doubt in my head from so much atheist content recently
"Because he's glorified in defeating it" does not seem like a greater good than not letting evil exist in the first place.
Denying Free will is the Greatest Evil,
With Free will, Comes Evil
You can choose to do Evil or Not, because, In not Letting Evil Happen in the first place, It denys us Free will, which inturn, makes us robot-like
@@D4rksliderGod could give us free will but make it against our nature to commit evil.
@@D4rkslider There are a bunch of evil things you don't want to do.
Do you not have free will?
Free will is not free want.
@@D4rkslider Honestly, if I and my fellow humans had to go about life as robots in order to avoid a lifetime of suffering, I would be pretty okay with that. Plus, if God couldn't create humans without creating evil, why make humans at all? To quote Lord Farquaad, "Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make." God's completely fine with humans suffering and dying as long as the ones that are still alive worship him. Not a good look in my personal opinion, but hey, you do you
@@queenraeisel6651 There is also another way to frame that last sentence. "God is not completely fine with ANY of His creation perishing as a result of sin 'evil'. However, He is justified in creating man (for fellowship) in spite of the many that will reject Him.
It may not be fully satisfactory on an emotional level, but it's not an injustice for God to create men who would freely chose to reject Him & forgo that fellowship he would have with those who would embrace & love Him.
I find it interesting how in this video, in response to the "Evolution disproves God" argument, you say that there have been religious thinkers in the past who have concluded that the Genesis story is not literal, but in a more recent video about heresies, you say that anyone claiming that the bible is not literal follows "liberalism" which is a heresy. So in order to answer the athiest argument, you had to use a heretical one. Again, very interesting.
As much as I love when people point out one's hypocrisy, I can't help but feel like even he doesn't believe or listen to the shit he says. Like, has he made an updated video, or responded to any of the arguments these comment bring up? He's either stoking the fire or, as his name suggests, a young kid who is struggling to make sense of our confusing world, and doing a poor job of it. Hell, I feel like the christian keyboard warriors here have a far more, albiet still flawed, understanding of this topic.
I feel like this should be a red flag to believers. Saying that Genesis is metaphorical just means that they're admitting they can't take the Bible at its word.
@@PatrickWDunne2 Mark 3:8 ‘With the lord one day is like a thousand years’
@@thejunglecommando Still not anywhere near enough time.
@@improvgm8663 it say “like” which infers it is a simile and we will never know the true time perspective of God but your opinion is your’s
Honestly I think a better way to answer the “religion causes wars/evil” question is not to say non religious wars/evil happen more often, but that no matter your religious belief we are all intrinsically evil, and that religious people are not exempt.
While you have a valid point yourself I do not think it qualifies to replace the original point, but could be layered onto it after the original is stated for reinforcement. I say this because numbers are very powerful and when you have a strong statistic to illustrate in favor of your stance you should absolutely use it (and have your source ready to share, which they will definitely ask for). 3% of wars being caused by Christianity means the rest of the world is the cause for 97%. That is an extremely condemning number and is impossible to justify by an atheist.
@@johnwicksfoknpencil That is if you only see the world as Christian vs the rest of the world, that 97% is made up of billions of people, other nations, countries, and religions. If the 97% is divided up and percentages divided accordingly each group could say the same, now I dont know the % of Islam, but say its also 3% then they could say the same. But I would say it is much more complex. Statistics is a complex topic, while the main reason for most of the wars in history might not be cited as religious, the governments involved might be religious, and the reasons for their political stances might be religious...I'm not saying it is. After all only 20% of the world identifies as non-believers... I believe, Take America in the Middle East, the reasons will not be cited as Christian or religious, but are committed to by a Christian nation(arguably at least). Now I dont know the stats cited here, but I doubt the remainder is secular or atheist causes necessarily. It's probably political, nationalistic, etc. This might be a black-and-white fallacy where just because it's not (directly) Christian doesn't mean it's automatically atheistic causes. You wanting to pin the rest of the 97% solely on atheists is like me pinning the American civil war on Christianity, just because most people involved were Christian (dont know if they actually were just making a point) as the war itself has nothing to with that, so that would be ridiculous, it's the same the other way around. Just because a war is not because of Christianity doesn't automatically make it because of atheism, or even if it is between atheists doesn't mean it's because of atheism. There are a plethora of reasons and stances. The main point atheists make regarding this I believe, is that Christian or religious people aren't inherently more moral or good people, not necessarily (although some atheists probably hold this point) that all wars are because of religion.
Additionally wars mostly happen either to gain resources or influence. To say "oh it was religion" misses the mark to me as an excuse would be used to start it. Honestly, even the crusades (at least some of them) were simply to stop the aggressive expansion of muslim powers into Europe.
Atheists don't believe people are intrinsically evil. In fact, many don't believe evil even exists- but rather that morality is mostly gray. If you put a man who had never had any other human contact alone in a forest, they would simply do what is necessary to survive.
@@panaroid9636 It is Christians and the rest of the world. You are either a Christian or you are not. The point stands as it originally did.
That last answer to the last question was adorable! I also said yes even before you said it! I love it, our God is beautiful!
The whole video has the energy of "It's too late atheist, I have drawn you as the virgin and me as the chad!"
listen to the argument. just because you dont want to doesnt make him wrong. Jesus even said this would happen. Jesus said the world would hate us for believing him.
@@Excalibur__223 I have listened to the arguments. He uses logical fallacies.
probably because the atheist arguments are stupid?
Fallacy fallacy
@@deejaythedeejay Nah
The whole point of logical fallacies is that if they are the only thing supporting an argument, it falls apart. This in itself is not a fallacy and my comment was about those.
Crazy how he mocks the voice of people who sound exactly like him
Crazy how you make fun of him for having genetics and getting mad on a video instead of minding your own business.
@@ChickenInTheBucketGod gave him those genetics apparently
Not my fault!
@@ChickenInTheBucket if he ain't allowed to comment on a video because its non of his business then why should you be allowed to respond😆
@@ChickenInTheBucket so the guy in the video is also attacking others for having genetics, right?
@@TyroneLangam you're very funny, making fun of people for their beliefs
Every christian should watch this as an example of how not to defend your religious beliefs
Or take a good long look at the core principles of their religion
True
Why though? I mean yeah it was incredibly condenses but he still provided the basic foundation of both the questions and the arguments which can help people explore and debate by using this video and it's points as a foundation to educate themselves.
@@Unamedblue3 In some questions he goes more in depth and actually explains in somewhat well. In others, he gives it to the viewer's faith and that's valid since that's part of religion anyway. But for most of the questions, he doesn't answer it and gives something completely far off. So that he doesn't lose to the strawman's arguments, he gives an answer that confuses the strawman and the audience. He relies a lot of fallacies to try to _"make a point"_
_And as a cherry on top, he has drawn himself as the based Chad while the cringe atheist is a soy Wojak. Truly one of the most convincing pieces for Christianity of all time_
Watching this was just so frustrating. As a former atheist, I don't think lot of theists understand that many of those in Gen Z know who Jesus is, and admire Jesus, its just the church and its people.
thanks, ive been waiting for this video
To laugh at it right?
@@NitrogenVM no
@@A_Very_Handsome_Person well, I’m sure you understand why this video is not a good look on theists
@@NitrogenVM atheists never had a good look to be honest
@@A_Very_Handsome_Person for every bad online atheist, there is a religious person to match
I love how he felt the need to lie about Hitler being atheist. If you have to edit the Wikipedia article, you know you’re in the wrong. Hitler was a critic of atheism💀
The religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler, dictator of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, have been a matter of debate. During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, Klara Hitler, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church; his father, Alois Hitler, was a free-thinker and skeptical of the Catholic Church. In 1904, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived. According to John Willard Toland, witnesses indicate that Hitler’s confirmation sponsor had to "drag the words out of him … almost as though the whole confirmation was repugnant to him."
It's clear that Hitler manipulated Christian beliefs to support his worldview. As the above commenter mentioned, there is really nothing in Hitler's life that indicates a practicing Christian. Even per Wikipedia, and it's cited sources, "Hitler and the Nazi party promoted "Positive Christianity",[41] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[42][43] " this is certainly NOT Christianity, and is absolutely heretical. The moment he rejects Jesus' divinity, which is a tenet of all basically all true Christian forms, with their beliefs outlined in the Nicene Creed (council of Nicea), then you cannot consider them as "Christians".
Now, to claim Hitler as "atheist" is ambiguous. But again, you can see he would schrewdly approach religion, and use what fits best, he was pragmatic.
Here's a quote for you:
"BBC historian Laurence Rees characterises Hitler's relationship to religion as one of opportunism and pragmatism: "his relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[44]"
Truly ask yourself, was Hitler a deist? Very well could have been.
Was he secular? Agnostic or atheist, that just manipulated religious teaching and customs to get what he wanted? Very well could have. But we don't know, clearly. But with his apparent disdain for Catholicism and other aspects of Judeo-Christian culture, it seems like this may have been the case.
And to end off on this quote:
"The historian Geoffrey Blainey wrote that Hitler courted and benefited from fear among German Christians of militant Communist atheism.[189] "The aggressive spread of atheism in the Soviet Union alarmed many German Christians", wrote Blainey, and with the National Socialists becoming the main opponent of Communism in Germany: "[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion 'one is either a Christian or a German'. To be both was impossible."[189]"
@@clash1505 none of that says he was atheist just that he was being skeptical about his religion
Hitler was some weird pagan occultist or some shit, but Nazi Germany was mostly secular, they didn't really give a shit about your religion. Hell, they didn't even care about the Jewish religion, just the Jewish ethnicity.
@@YTDariuS-my6dgSo he certainly wasnt religious. Maybe he was agnostic, but the point stands.
"Why did god let evil exist at all?"
"Because he's glorified in defeating it"
When I heard this I remembered the dialogue of Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising-
"I'm using war as a business to get elected"
Lmao
I mean, it makes no sense. Is God so thin-skinned that he needs to be glorified? And if he does, he can't think of a better way to do it than to allow evil to flourish, and people to suffer as a result?
Well, simply put, if you are choosing God you are choosing righteousness over the evil world. But you don't have to choose what's right.
@@fredo3161 which the masses are already doing
@@Alright281 right. They don't like being told they are wrong or even challenged.
"Because he'd have to destroy you" is absolutely not a counter argument to "Why can't God destroy evil now?" If God can destroy evil but doesn't because I'm alive he has my full permission to send me to hell on the spot, that's just a basic trolley problem.
God wants you to be saved from evil and from hell, thats why he wouldnt come for us right now, hes waiting.
Also he has prophecys to make true
God never sends anyone to hell bro, do some research...
@@raphdm3776someone has to. I figure Romans 9 19-23 argues in favor of it. Some are made and are set to be damned in the final day
Then no one would have a chance. Not even in Hell!
Every one would go too..
Can’t you put 3 seconds into researching Christian basic beliefs
-Why god allowed evil
-To glorify himself in banishing it!
***
-Mommy! I chopped puppy's legs of, so i can feed him and treat his wounds!
-Oh, you such a glorious saviour, pumpkin!
The real reason why evil exists is that God gave us free will (because he loved us) and we used it wrongly.
@@Piotr-e1e show me the dude who caused hurricanes by his bad choices? :)
@JohnMarston-sf1vk "If He loves us so much then why not come down to teach us how to live like he wants us to" The Lord (Jesus) came here and taught us (people) and then we killed him.
@JohnMarston-sf1vk "then why punish people" Well, if you don't want God, God won't force you to spend eternity with Him, and people will most likely suffer from a lack of forgiveness.
@@Piotr-e1e most suffering is not human made. As simple as that
I had to stop watching immediately with the claim "Hitler is an Atheist."
"It's true that Hitler's public statements opposing atheism should not be given too much weight, since they obviously served Hitler's political purposes to tar political opponents. However, in his private monologues, he likewise rejected atheism, providing further evidence that this was indeed his personal conviction. Perhaps even more significantly, he had complete faith that Providence had chosen him to lead the German people to greatness.
It's clear through his personal monologues that he rejected Atheism, but while confessing faith in an omnipotent being of some sort, however, Hitler denied we could know anything about it.
Source: Hitler's Religion by Richard Weikart (History Professor at California State University)
I knew I read something like that but didn't have the info at hand when I was typing out a response, thanks for the sources.
That one was hilariously stupid, even if Hitler wasn't, most nazis were catholic.
Hitler banned secular education and fought against atheist groups.
The Lutheran church was full of cravings of his rise to power.
“We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
He also talked about an almighty God in Mein Kampf and he following his ideals, but I can't find a copy of the book to paste here.
Also, most Nazis today are Christians, with just some of them being pagan/occultists/gnostics and even fewer atheists. Nazis today HATE atheists and think jews are behind modern secularism.
Mao Zedong was an atheist
I really don't know, I'm reading a book about polish hero Pilecki who volunteered to Auschwitz nazi camp as a spy for polish ressistance and the West and in the concentration camp he asked sometimes Polish people for their religion, which surprised me, because that means in the 30' not all the Poles were religious, so in Germany also could be like that.
Hitler believed in some strange form of paganism.
“Why can’t God destroy evil?”
“He’ll do it eventually.”
“Why can’t he do it now?”
“Because he’ll destroy you.”
“Why does he let bad things happen at all?”
“We deserve it.”
The 2 month old baby that got diagnosed with stage 6 cancer:
I less lazy answer would be "the world is full of carcinogens in the food and environment because greedy people in power prioritize profit over health".
A second, closer to the root answer would be; the world isn't our final destination, so realistically that baby just suffered for 2 months and then got to heaven way earlier than we will. Good for him. Living is hard.
True Christians do not fear death.
@@MicroplaysMC cancer is not necessarily caused by cancerogenes. It can just happen randomly
@@georgeuferov1497 your point?
@@MicroplaysMCHow did free will cause those Earthquakes in Turkey that killed tens of thousands of people?
necessary evil, for the greatest possible good
the exact reason that's so, is something like contrast
this world will always be minus-y
"it's over atheist, I've depicted you as a soyjak and myself as a Chad"
This may be one of the worst videos I have ever seen.
Like his point on god being the uncaused causer is so hilarious. He just asserts it makes more sense for god to be an uncaused causer than the universe because he already agrees with it 😂
@@colinschmitt6571well I mean OBVIOUSLY. I mean it just HAS to be. Haha. Duh.
@@colinschmitt6571smartest atheist:
@@mignonne_ great argument! You really got me!
@@colinschmitt6571 i sure did
I'm an atheist, I studied many different religions mainly Islam and Christianity, have read Bible and Qur'an, personally I don't believe them
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, you're a Muslim? Christian? Any other religions? Good for you dude, you have a lifestyle you believe in
I will have to press X to doubt on that speed racer.
@@edwardromans4049 have your doubts man, I love studying mythologies and religions sooo 🤷
What is your reason for not believing in God?
@@HomeSlice4.0 For one, the standard of evidence I need isn't met. All arguments I hear from apologetics are lacking in quality and are often fighting strawmen. It is a total turn-off for me when I listen to someone critique Evolution or the Big Bang and find out they have not even high school-level knowledge of those.
@@entityself3104 Okay I can agree that the arguments are not exactly the best, but what kind of evidence are you looking for? We have historical evidence, “The Bible”, it’s one of the most studied manuscripts.
It's videos like these where I truly miss the thumbs down visibility.
Currently at 15k
@@thealbinotadpole2878 oh!
17k now @@Jedicake
@@dontspikemydrink9382Yep. Funny that Atheists try to portray themselves as the edgy ones but will have tantrums whenever someone criticizes them.
@@PeruvianPotato no we don't.
"Correlation doesn't equal causation but Scandinavia is so prosperous because of generations of Protestants." Nice, that's great
And here I thought it was vast natural resources and selling them to both sides during two world wars
Nope. It’s the religion.
Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century? The vast natural resources is a fine counter but that second one is stupid and you know it.
@@deplorabledegenerate2630
_> Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century?_
They weren't, buddy. They were quite poor.
Do you think they invented eating surstromming because they were prosperous? 😆
Selling herring and taxing the trade between Russia and Europe through the Baltic sea were their primary sources of income before 20th century.
E.g. before WW1, Sweden was deeply in dept. After WW1, Sweden was swimming in gold.
@@deplorabledegenerate2630 Grab a history book, please.
Love the attention to detail in the video title! It implicitly acknowledges that while it dors contains "answers", they aren't necessarily good, accurate, or convincing.
Exactly! I honestly feel a bit bad for him because he thinks he gave bulletproof responses here. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... and a sad thing.
doubting is a big part of anything
You're right, a pretty honest title.
@@cheifdonkey149 but the brief answers are worse than the already bad arguments lol
@@cheifdonkey149 No, they're not. They're horrendous.
Exactly thank you for making this to prove these wrong
I think, my favorite part about this video are the questions you don't "answer" because of how ridiculous the argument is. I fully support totally ignoring bad ideas, they are merely strawmen and should be torched and ignored. Calling them reddit scholars was a nice touch.
Ignoring them in this video is okay, but it is important to know real answers to those questions because, although they're low hanging fruit, it's the low hanging fruit that's most often eaten by people who don't know better.
my favorite part of the video was when zoomer did: my opinion will be the chad and the big bad atheist will be a beta puny soyjack
It's kinda ironic because this video has several straw man responses.
I'm not an atheist nor a redditor so I would've liked quite much if he did replied to those questions to the point where I'm not even sure if this an ironic video.
@@IridiumAxle exactly. athiests do believes some of these ideas that from an unbiased perspective are obviously convoluted and stupid but they dont see that, so we must show them rather than just ignore them.
As a shameless atheist (or at least agnostic) scumbag who got this video in my recommended, here’s my live rebuttal to the first quarter of the arguments here, as I watch it:
1. This is true, but it’s not a rebuttal against atheism (that God doesn’t exist), it’s a rebuttal against anti-theism (that belief in God is a net negative on society). I don’t think religion is necessarily evil, I just don’t think it’s logically justified.
2. See number 1: I want counterarguments to atheism, not anti-theism.
3. You just completely ignored the point of the argument here, and that a lot of people AREN’T atheist because of birth: they were raised religious, but realized there was no justification for their beliefs when they became an adult. Meanwhile, by far the most common reason for belief in Christianity is because one’s friends and family are Christian: it’s a tradition, not a logically-reasoned belief.
4. Atheists can’t know whether a specific worldview is true, but they can reason it out through logical reasoning and a cause-and-effect approach to morality. Meanwhile, there’s no logical reason why someone would believe in one religion over the other: like I said, it’s a tradition, nothing more.
5. That’s not an explanation, it’s just an excuse: “Well of course you can’t prove that an angry old man created the world, the 2000 year old book I got this information from specifically said no one can prove his existence!” By that logic, you might as well believe in the Tooth Fairy.
6. Do you have any source for the possession claims, other than a book filled with anecdotal evidence from someone who has every reason to lie about this? And the evidence of NDEs being real experiences is, to put it lightly, highly inconsistent: some people seem to accurately remember small details, others don’t even come close.
7. What about the literal factual inconsistencies in the Bible, like how it describes Goliath dying in two completely different ways (a contradiction so egregious that most translations retcon the second death into being Goliath’s brother)?
8. I would take any claims of early Christian knowledge with a massive grain of salt: there is very little evidence that people like St. Ignatius ever actually met the apostles, let alone were able to attest to the Gospels actually being written by them. As it stands, by far the most reliable interpretation of the Gospels is that they were written a few decades to a century after the events they claim to describe, and likely based on at least a couple earlier manuscripts (hence the large amount of near-identical passages).
9. Just because there’s a lot of debate over how the Gospels altered the story of the historical Jesus, that doesn’t mean that the Gospels are a completely factual account of events that actually happened (an idea that’s highly unlikely, to say the least).
10. That’s not proof that Jesus was actually God, it’s just proof that the Gospels wrote Jesus as if he was the son of God. You might as well say that Mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook due to being rejected by his girlfriend, when the only evidence of that is how Aaron Sorkin wrote it in The Social Network.
I’m gonna stop here: my mobile UA-cam comment box can’t handle the wall of text I’m writing here, and I honestly don’t have the energy to write any more. Suffice it to say, if these are the brilliant arguments you’re starting off your hypothetical anti-atheist debate with, you need to find better arguments.
Can already tell he won't be replying to this one
This is a tiktok level video and not an actual scholarly analysis. The claim atheist nations/leaders are the most murderous is insane. Many conflicts in history slaughtered 100% of their enemy. Just because more people existed in the 20th century isn't an argument for a higher rating on the murder scale.
This has to be higher up. Regardless of ones own beliefs the debate has to be in good faith with honest arguments instead of cherry-picking and strawmanning
Fellow atheist/agnostic scumbag here. I think the video and comments agreeing with its viewpoints are enlightening to read, but yeah, it's very hard to prove anything when it seems the two sides are drawing from very different bases of evidence. For instance, for atheists the Bible might not seem like a reliable source of information, while for some theists it might be irrefutable. Add to whether things are literal or metaphorical, and I find it's very hard to remain objective when objectivity itself is defined differently.
To 4 i would answer that you are wrong in there being no logical differences in religions. Theology is a real thing and the different branches of religion wager a real debate amongst themselves about who is interpreting the bible right. Wether you think jesus is the messiah or the nature of jesus soul the importance of muhammad and who his rightful successor was etc. it’s not just blind tradition but also a question who has the better arguments for their case and thus the resulting religious beliefs.
To 5. Thats just the answer to the argument that science cant proof god. Are you saying he is misrepresenting the argument again ? Because the argument itself is refuted quite well by saying that science concerns and can only concern itself with the already existing material world. It can’t explain its ultimate origin
The worst part about it is he didn't even answer the entire roulette
That's the best part!
@@xuvial1391 "That's the neat thing!"
The entire thing for my fellow lazy ppl
1) I believe in science so that means god can't be real
2)I was raised Christian and I have trauma (they said not to sin)
3) look here is a violent Bible verse that nobody ever noticed before
4) there is contradictions in the Bible (that the Church has never noticed)
5) SKY DADDY
6) if God is real why don't I have a gg yet?
7) I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho)
8) your god did a genocide in the flood he big meanie
Timestamp: 0:06
Honestly, some of those were better arguments than any he talked about in the vid
@@PsychologicalHorrorEnthusiast Don't even get me started on "I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho)"
?????
Maybe you are aware of this by now, but just in case. This video along with your “all arguments to explain God” has basically served as a rough outline and pathway down dozens of hours of research. I was struggling feeling like my studying was arbitrary and all over the place, but using these videos as a framework for my study has been immensely helpful. Thank you for this.
wish i could show this video to my students. it'd be the perfect introduction to logical fallacies.
name one
"Every Logical Fallacy Explained in 11 Minutes" by The Paint Explainer on UA-cam would serve your students better.
Phahaha what the hell?! No it wouldn’t 😂
@@nathanasdarjianThe paint explainer is Redeemed Zoomer, but actually worth watching.
no way you're a teacher lol but yeah this has so many holes
‘If you were born someone else you wouldn’t be a Christian’ isn’t trying to dismiss your beliefs by arguing they’re meaningless because they’re shaped by environment. It’s arguing that the main factor in whether you got to heaven or hell is where you were born, which clearly isn’t moral or fair
bro this guy has never died and he can never know who goes to hell or heaven. Dont believe evrything that you are told
Whether God is good is a completely different issue from whether or not God exists. When people start acknowledging their Creator, *then* we can have a discussion about how nice He is.
@@christopherbravo1813 what nonsense.
Imagine this scenario:
You’re only allowed to have an opinion at the election if you’re a party member, and if you’re not a party member you get tortured for eternity.
Sounds like “free will” 😂
Who says God has to be fair in showing grace? What’s the definition of the word grace?
@@christopherbravo1813 Im just here for someone to prove he exists without bible cases, psychosis or reports that have no ability to be fact checked in even the most shallow ways.
I love how like half of these are internally self contradictory 😂
"God is the reason everything happens"
"God can only create good, not evil"
"Evil is the lack of good"
So how does Evil exist?
That is like asking “The heater can only make heat so how is there cold?” A good thing doesn’t necessarily imply an incorruptible thing, those are two different attributes.
@PatrickWDunne Isaiah 45:7 God created light and darkness
@@PatrickWDunne reading this just makes me think you're a monkey. The fact that you can't understand that free will exists even though you had the thought to type the comment and not God is actually absurd.
@@Jedo5000 Exactly! Sin doesn't exist by coincidence, but by design.
9 minutes of whataboutism is crazy.
For real. I mean ofcourse he is biased, but it feels like these are the worst arguments ever because which atheist says god is not real because “ oh why does the bible support slavery”
@@TheStickyDynamite 🤣🤣🤣 I know right
This is an in depth video destroying atheists “arguments” if you wanna call them that
why is everyone in the comments expecting a whole ass theological lecture
We aren’t expecting a lecture. We are expecting factually correct researched information. Well documented info can still fit within the timepsan that he gave himself if you cut it brief. However, the arguments used in this video are often incomplete and misleading.
I don't understand how Christians can say the existence of God unfalsifiable but also not admit that their belief is not fully based on faith
I don't think you understand what 'faith' means. Christians have faith that God will be there for them and help them and have faith that He'll answer their prayers, not faith that He exists at all.
“I don’t understand” is not an argument
@@emuannihilator5774 you need to believe something exists to have faith in them
@@lukebaker5135 how can Christians say that the existence of God in unfalsifiable but also say that their belief in God's existence isn't based on faith
@@godiebeardcuck
6:27
So the perfect being has a hero complex, great
God gives you a free will to embrace evil or holiness.
He’s a Calvinist, he doesn’t believe in free will, that mentality makes God seem narcissistic. Watch impact videos ministries, they have better arguments
then god is an idiot that bases poeples lives around circumstances@@WeakestHater
@@UnidentifiedFlyingSquirrel Not just narcissistic, but it also makes God into some kind of arbitrary judge who's messing around with His followers (like what's even the point of the gospel, which is supposed to be good news, if God is essentially shooting love/grace arrows at random people at random times?). I hate Calvinist theology, but I love Calvinists, especially when they're actually showing fruits of the Spirit and focusing on the gospel, but their theology will sometimes get in the way of them being kind and loving towards others. Calvinism brings pride and arrogance. It's toxic.
@@WeakestHater Free will to choose but only one choice is apparently the *only* correct one while anything is eternal punishment? That's just an illusion of free will
The reddit mod Atheist voice he used when asking the atheism questions was completely unnecessary, he already sounds like that 🤣
i couldn't even tell he was putting onna voice...
sunny what are you doing watching christian debaters
@@dwightk.schrute7213 Yeah we should stay in our circle jerks while you should stay in yours
@@freshcarrot2253 lol that was an inside joke because of nameless's profile pic.
there's nothing wrong with observing the other side and offering honest criticism...
@@dwightk.schrute7213 Oh im sorry I didn't get it lol
It’s something we glaze over a lot without thinking about it, but it really gets me thinking about it. I am special enough to be cared about by an eternal creator among all the stars and animals and people and galaxies. It’s such a beautiful love story
“Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!”
Luke 12:24
@@theyoungaj5703 that's a fantasy
"Gospels have false quotes"
"Thats right but we don't know which so we choose to trust all of it"
yeah right bro
here’s a bag of candy, some of it is poisoned but you don’t know which ones!!! normal people: don’t eat any of it, this guy: shoves the whole thing in his mouth
@@koiloylo He’s not eating poison. He’s eating the bread of life.
What you eat is poison.
@@koiloyloYes you are right
@@koiloyloJesus is truth indeed
0:12 No one says that
0:24 That is just wrong.
Hitler and Mao were religious.
Hitler was a Pantheist.
Mao spoke against religion in the form of the religious leaders using the faithful, not against god or belief itself. He saved many religious sanctuaries during the revolution, which would've otherwise been destroyed by the mob.
0:33 You completely fail your strawman. I can be/become an atheist anywhere - You can only become a christian where the word of christianity is spread.
0:40 1. Humanism is a religion
2. You don't need faith for a world view - Those are two different things. I don't need faith in anything to be a nihilist.
0:50 Yes, science only deals with stuff that exists... Your point?
Science never 'disproves' anything as the burden of proof comes with the claim. Saying god doesn't exist isn't the claim that needs evidence.
1:15 I ain't paying 30€ for that book.
1:25 Okay let's list a couple, maybe you can explain them:
How long does gods anger last for? Forever (Jer 17:4) or not forever (Micah 7:18)
Were humans created before (Gen 2:18-19) or after (Gen 1:25-27) animals?
How much did David pay? 50 (2 Sam 24:24) or 600 (1 Chr 21:25) shekels?
1:39 Another point that no sane human ever brought up as an argument
1:45 Now you just argued against the gospels? Okay?
2:07 Now he did claim that he was god (John 10:30)
2:40 What about James tho? Paul didn't really have anything to do with anything in the beginning.
2:50 As the bible isn't taking a clear stance you can make arguments for both side, but tbh even if the bible allows slavery... It has nothing to do with the argument itself.
3:10 same as before
3:35 Does that make him good? Because he gives and takes life? Idk, it also feels like it's failing the point.
4:00 Yes, people are more likely to become atheists with a higher standard of living. This happens everywhere, not only in christian societies. Also - Those countries aren't atheistic, they just aren't deeply christian and haven't been for hundreds of years. The rise of fall of those nations had nothing to do with their religiousness.
4:20 Well it is a good gotcha if someone is unprepared - But it's not an argument in any form, yes.
4:30 Please explain why. Why is a godly creator more likely than a random event. Mind you, before the big bang there was no such thing as time, so why is something happening in an infinite amount of time less likely than a creator just existing.
4:40 Not sure what morons says this, god is based on faith and science can't disprove faith. That is by definition not possible.
Yes, the curiousity about god and nature lead to science. Yes, almost all centers of learning where held by theologians and the church. Doesn't proof anything tho, as it has nothing to do with the argument.
5:15 Why is there a why?
Also -> If we don't know something then a lot of people will tell you that it's proof of god. It's always the point we fail to understand (yet) which is used as proof that some greater being (god) must(!) be behind it.
5:27 God is the creator of evil (Is 45:7)
I cba to do all of them so from now on I'll just do those I feel like - If anyone takes issue tell me which one specifically to address.
6:08 Funny little thought experiment - But you can do that with science aswell and it's just as funny. It neither proves nor disproves anything.
6:27 Because he created it (Is 45:7)
6:37 Well back in the day you got people in line with fear.
A bit more bs that I cba to react to
7:20 Yes, parts (like holidays) were taken from other religions. It helps people ease into it as they already know more about it. It wasn't a 1:1 copy of another religion tho.
7:30 Yes, you're completely right. Who are the idiots claiming that faith is the opposite of logic? It's on two different levels.
7:50 How old is the world? How does it work with such a small amount of time and why did it slow down so extremely?
Also how big was Noahs Ark?
8:12 It took over a small part of the empire. One of which was Constantine who made it rather popular in the elite circles of the empire and Theodosius I. who crushed the pagan west and basically forced it to convert after the 394 battle of the frigidus. But yes, Christianity also had a major spread without war.
8:20 I will be honest - I've never heard anyone say this. That just doens't make any sense at all.
8:25 This is also a mood point, the amount of denominations neither proves nor disproves anything.
8:32 Yes, a guy named Jesus existed. Since we are there already... What about his brother? Anyone heard something from James recently? The church seems to have just gone with Paul the Roman after instead of James who was supposed to be the heir of the christian movement.
8:50 Well yes, that is what faith is about. Again anyone seriously trying to use this as an argument is a clown.
this guy cooked and left no crumbs
bro your just worng
@@supermanandbatmanishere Which ones are wrong and why?
@@supermanandbatmanishere insane argument
Islam cuz it hypocritical and teaches forced religion, Judaism because ( jews from before where not like jews now) and the messiah already came to earth they just believe not even tho all evidence supports that Jesus is the messiah, and all the rest are just pagan, @@dragoncaos7098
The argument isn't "Your geographical location influenced your belief, therefore your belief is false." The reason someone holds a belief has nothing to do with whether or not it is true.
The argument is "If a god exists and reveals themself to all people, we would not expect geographical location to be the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Location _is_ the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Therefore such a god does not exist."
First of all, location is not the primary indicator for religious affiliation; there are a multitude of factors that may influence what someone believes, but it all comes down to what someone chooses to believe. If it wasn't so, we wouldn't have individuals or minority groups who go against the majority culture. Presenting one factor as the primary indicator for religious affiliation neglects the complexity of reasons for why people believe what they believe.
Second, you're presenting a false dilemma: either everyone believes the same thing, or God doesn't exist. You're forgetting a third option. Yes, God has chosen to reveal Himself to all nations, either through Scripture, the human conscience, or the natural world. However, mankind still has the free will to reject God and create their own religions, because even though they don't want anything to do with the one true and living God, they cannot get rid of their need to believe in something.
It would be akin to arguing that because there is a real Dollar, no counterfeit dollars could ever exist, but since we have counterfeit dollars, therefore there is no real Dollar. If anything, the existence of counterfeit dollars underscores the necessity for a real Dollar, because if there was no real Dollar, how would you know if it was counterfeit?
You don't even need to use God to prove this. I bet that most people know that eating fast food is unhealthy and will kill you slowly if eaten excessively, yet they still do it. The problem is not that people don't have knowledge, but rather that you need to explain why people act a certain way in spite of what they know.
TL;DR - False dilemma; even if God made Himself known 100%, people could still reject Him because of free will.
@@PppPlyr2 it absolutely IS the primary indicator. Almost all muslims are born or are recently decended from majority muslim countries, and the same goes for almost all Christians being born in the west.
@@Daniel-vl8zmSaying it's the primary factor doesn't account for the religious differences WITHIN the members of the various denominations, but of course leave it to atheists to generalize to the degree that individuals stop existing and only groups remain.
@@Daniel-vl8zm See? You yourself disprove your own position; you say "almost all Muslims" (emphasis on "almost all"). If location was the primary factor, wouldn't you expect 100% allegiance to whatever religion is prominent in that area?
As an aside, even if location was the primary factor, what does that have to do with whether or not that religion is true or not? Truth remains true regardless of location, so you cannot assess the truthfulness of a religion based on where it came from.
Also, I didn't see a response to my second point.
@@PppPlyr2you clearly don’t understand what “primary” means and that’s ok. No, location being the primary factor does NOT imply 100% at all, it literally means “almost all”. It wouldn’t be “primary” factor then, it would be the “only” factor
It was the last question at the end for me. Nice one, bro.
@Redeemed Zoomer thank you so much for strengthening my atheism❤
LMAO
Oh dear, most of these are answering weak arguments with weaker arguments
fr i thought exactly the same, bro picked the weakest arguments and still failed to counter most of them. At this point most christians are just lying to themselves, they`re ignoring arguments and saying they won debates were they clearly lost
Bro we'll just see on judgement day@@mirfielkeinnameein8496
His bit about comparing Scandinavia to Communist China and saying that the former was rooted in Christianity was pretty funny. Other than the blatant cherry picking, it refutes nothing and makes the implication that Scandinavia would be in the same place as China without Christianity. It's a bit sad that people in the comments are taking him dead seriously.
Half his arguments are basically just "nuh uh" lol
@@xSimonTanit would or maybe even worse.
Im an atheist and i agree that some atheist arguements are not very good, but for some of these I wish to counter your arguements, please keep in mind that I wish to only create peaceful debate.
0:49 this is not a sufficient counter agruement to me, just because something is not disprovable does not mean that it may be likely to be true, I could say that a different god controls the universe and argue for its existance simply by saying you can't prove its not real.
1:02 while these occourances may seem strange, it could be that they were exposed to certain information e.g. languages from films or holidays, which they could then make sence of from some event. They may also recall information from such events, even if they entirely forgotten it.
4:23 If you use the arguement that god was uncaused, why could i not then use that same arguement to say that existance was uncaused?
5:36 I would like some elaboration, but if this is because of Adam and Eve, why should we be punished for what they did? And also why does God sometimes not punish those who have done wrong, but sometimes punish those who have not done wrong?
5:46 This is stating that the idea of good has to come from a god, but evolution could explain how morals are naturally formed, because peoples need to help others leads to more surviving humans, causing our race to survive.
6:25 this says that a triumph over evil is greater than a lack of evil, but personally I believe this to be false, to this day there is so much unnecessary pain that leads to many innocents suffering or dieing. I personally belive that a world without evil would be a better than a world with evil which you need to defeat.
7:25 All these analogies are not the same as faith in God, in all of these examples we have reasons to believe these things, e.g. food would not be harmful because if it were there would be legal trouble for that company and it would harm business, or we can believe that your wife loves you due to previous interactions.
8:23 If there is so much disagreement on the bible, why doesn't god clarify? Wouldn't a all knowing god know that we would misinterpret it and clarify?
I am open to discussion and I will be respectful. Also I made sure not to comment on arguements that either I didn't understand, didn't have enough knowledge on, or arguements from atheists that even I think are weak.
It all boils down to faith in the end. There is no way to actually prove most of the existential questions plaguing the human mind. An atheist simply refuses to believe any of the theories presented to him, because none of them really make sense. There are holes in every single theory out there, and I can live my life without choosing one. I understand some people have been conditioned into believing certain stories, and this is fine, because stories are a part of the human condition. I also know some people find joy in their faith as some people live in terrible conditions where hope for a good afterlife is all they have. They're simply satisfied with the shortcoming of their theories and chose to have faith, because that makes them happier and more comfortable.
I chose not to have faith, because I don't gain anything from it. How the world came to be is not something I can answer and no-one has so far convinced me in any of their arguments. I only believe in science that can be proven, and will not judge if anyone disagrees with me. For if I cannot prove anything myself, who am I to do anything but disagree?
I too only wish for peaceful debate :).
1. You could say a different god controls the universe, but then that's not really an argument for atheism anymore.
2. True, though the whole argument isn't an argument doesn't directly address God's existence, just one aspect of God's impact; also, God doesn't exclusively work in supernatural ways -- most of the Bible is filled with God empowering people to act, or setting into motion perfectly normal things.
3. I would say that you can explain existence with God. You can't exactly presuppose why anything exists which exists in existence, so you must have some necessary thing (i.e. God) to explain it from outside the set of contingent things.
4. We deserve it because humans are inherently evil, because we all have inherited that evilness from our ancestors. Also, God punishes everyone.
5. Morals can absolutely be naturally formed -- for example, "killing Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and disabled people is good for the Aryan race by removing impurities" was a morality that was formed and genuinely believed to be righteous. In Christianity, God's morality is the most-good morality, though we're still not perfect as humans at following it.
6. Triumph over evil is a greater good in the eyes of God than a lack of evil. Also, I personally think evil is necessary for us humans to overcome otherwise we would always be stuck in the same state forever. If there were no evil, no adversity, why would we ever improve ourselves?
7. You have faith that they care about their business or laws/there isn't some interloper poisoning you. You have faith your wife hasn't stopped loving you/hasn't been pretending/whatever.
8. There is far more agreement than disagreement. Whether churches feature icons of God or not, or how the church is organised doesn't really matter to God so much as belief in the trinity, the resurrection, the nature of God, et cetera.
Hope you enjoy reading and discussing.
@@emuannihilator5774human are inherently evil?? what??? Weren't we were given free will?? so if i do not use it to do any bad thing, i am still evil?? then how can God be called Just?? Also child cancer cannot be justified because they have not even able to use their free will.....what do u say about that(sry for my bad English)
@@emuannihilator5774you are saying evil is necessary as if we need to celebrate evil , because anytime anything evil happens that allows us to triumph over it..... in that case is Holocaust a necessary thing for the evolution of mankind as a moral being??? Did God intended to allow Holocaust in the first place for us to understand what is good and bad?? If thats the case, How is this God not a genocidal maniac????
@@jeppepuusfaith is a belief in something that cannot be fully proved, so as your truly relationship with your friend or whoever. You don't want to accept God's existence, because being christian is harder than being atheist, so no argument will make you think another way, because all people want easy life and do whatever they want to. So the problem is in you, not in God. The fact is that arguments about faith are useless, because christians know that God is real and atheists know that God is not real. God is about relationships, not about knowledge. You have to try the cake to say if it's tasty or not by yourself, no argument about its taste will make you 100% sure how good or bad it is just for you. Bless you!
“I made you the wojack and me as the Chad! Therefore your argument is now invalid!” Really good argument bro
Regardless if he used a chad or not, you didn't attack his core arguments, so your input isn't needed.
@@panapolyEpirus His arguments are terrible ans many entirely miss the point
@@StrikerEureka13 I must admit, he misses the mark, but thats the point of the video. Simplistic arguments, not an indepth look.
@@panapolyEpirus A simplistic argument is one thing, a terrible argument is another
@@StrikerEureka13 But they are simple arguments. If expanded upon (which they are in a later video of his), they are extremely strong
Counterpoints / general comments
1. Religions are mutually exclusive by nature, you can not simultaneously believe in both the Christian creation story and the Hindu creation story, but you can however see common ground between worldviews in a middle ground, they aren’t mutually exclusive so much as which lens do you choose to look through most
2. Yes, by definition science only studies the natural world, however if a god were to exist it would be considered then part of that natural world, something is only supernatural as long as it remains out of observable (not necessarily by sight) existence
3. Can you provide examples of these possessions and other such events? And can you prove their validity?
4. There are contradictions in the Bible that aren’t explainable in such ways such as with dates, times, or numbers (granted I usually leave that to transcription error, thought I’d add it to the conversation)
5. Not so much a disagreement point as an interesting addition to the “condoning slavery” bit, in my own studies I’ve found there’s no concrete time (to my knowledge) the Bible outright looks down upon homosexuality in and of itself, even though it does however often get shown with directly sinful behavior, still it does support certain things which I don’t agree with in marriage and such
6. I have a few issues with the Atheism Prosperity point, first I don’t believe being heavily Protestant directly affected their prosperity so much as geopolitical factors, secondly, though I don’t necessarily disagree with the idea that prosperity likely led to a rise in atheism I believe this can be also attributed to possible rises in education leading to more secular world view, and finally, China was not atheist for most of its existence and has had a very interesting history with religion, only becoming atheistic in 1949 which was only a move to prevent congregations of individuals which may oppose them.
7. While yes it’s a different question than which religion is right, if there even is a god somewhat supersedes the question as asking which is correct implies one must be. Also, saying we only believe in one religion less is just us saying that not believe a god is just as valid as you believing there is a god, often only an argument used against people saying we must believe in a god (which happens a lot more than some theists seem to think).
8. You cannot simply state that “it makes more sense” for there to be a universal creator without backing it up, because to me it makes objectively less sense than a random event occurring after an infinite time span, in which the event must eventually occur due to the concept of infinite time for it to occur.
9. Just because older scientists, and even some modern scientists, were theistic, it doesn’t mean that science can’t disprove god, in fact with the Big Bang having been observed through seeing its light, many stories of creation are disproven. Whether the scientists who gather the data understand, believe, or agree with the idea that it disproves a theistic worldview doesn’t actually matter so much. A theistic scientist from a time long past doesn’t mean gods and modern science mesh well.
10. I agree the argument that god fills in gaps is dumb, I don’t believe in a god but I say there are things science has yet to fully understand, but a believer would say their god is the reason for all science, a god filling in gaps would only work if you only partially believe that a god exists.
11. I don’t agree with the “we deserve it” idea because if god truly created us from the ground up why instill evil to begin with? I get the whole free will thing but if you make humans naturally vehemently averse to murder and death (and also don’t create genetic abnormalities and conditions in youth to disrupt natural function) then we wouldn’t deserve it, so we deserve it because he made us deserve it, so why make us deserve it?
12. I disagree that evil isn’t a lack of good, neutral is the lack of good or evil, but you can go out of your way to be especially evil, for example murders have been committed without reason, an act of evil where one that simply wasn’t being good would’ve just done nothing. Also if good is only in terms of god how can a person have a different perception of what is good?
13. Someone who does things objectively bad in order solely to glorify themselves even at the expense of others is simply a narcissist. Also, I’d like you to tell a cancer patient that triumph over the cancer was better than just not having cancer. They’d present you with all the unnecessary suffering that just not having cancer would’ve prevented, triumph over evil isn’t better is just means that someone gets the glory of triumph while a bunch of collateral sits in its wake where there could’ve been peace to begin with.
14. Wishful thinking doesn’t necessarily have to be perfect, just better than the current situation, so making contrast with how much we suck now with how perfect an after life is honestly just reinforces the wishfulness of it all.
15. Actually, just because we have a psychological reason doesn’t mean psychological benefit unless you want to say that development into a psychopath is beneficial. The body and mind are quite often cruel to themselves, like giving ourselves fevers we couldn’t hope to survive if only to eradicate one disease.
16. The difference in the romantic experience and the spiritual experience being both explained by chemical phenomena is one is attached directly to something observable, I’d just as happily argue that on a technicality “romance” as concept only exists in our heads just as much as a spiritual experience might.
17. Faith does mean trust however I only have faith in things I’m given reason to have faith in, I trust my food won’t be poisoned because of precedent working as reason to make a logical conclusion that it won’t. The real opposite of logic and reason is blind faith, or faith without reason, like belief that a random, unidentifiable substance is non-toxic without any data on the substance.
18. Evolution doesn’t disprove god so much as it disproves a strictly literal interpretation of the Bible, but then can you trust a strictly literal interpretation of god?
19. I do fully agree a completely omnipotent and omniscient god could have personal relationships with as many things as it damn well pleases, but I feel like he would’ve put us, or something like us on more than one random ass space rock (less a critique and more just me saying that I want mars friends damnit)
Oh yeah, forgot to add, I think you mean only 7% were caused *primarily* by religious reasons, which I still think is underrepresenting the percentage
Excellent answers 🙏
The religion most of the time was used as a casus belli. This is becouse the percentage is so low
@@Lasecondacampana.a A casus belli is an act or an event that either provokes or is used to justify a war. A casus belli involves direct offenses or threats against the nation declaring the war, whereas a casus foederis involves offenses or threats against its ally-usually one bound by a mutual defense pact.
@@Lasecondacampana.aI wouldn't say religion causes all wars, however, many wars are started for power and money, sometimes land and control, an example is the war in Ukraine. Putin did not start it because of religion, he wanted to take over Ukraine.
I don't even have to look at the comments to know that it is gonna utter mayhem in here
tbh I like Redeemed Zoomer but this video was damn near a set up for atheists to dog pile on christianity. It's annoying because there are great youtubers and videos out there that give actual explanations to a lot of these things, but this video went viral because it was so easy to pick on nearly every argument here
Nah, it's ok.
This video managed to put atheist and theists together, in agreement on how silly it is :)
Well one dude said'no man hath seen god at any point' qne another dude brought up seeing god. Whos right? Jacob or john? Not to mention all of the flaws with adam and eve. Incest horrificially disfigures people. Doing that since the beggining of humanity? We'd be unrecognisable. And theres a ton of evidence that supports evolution. And we're not all related biologically, so how can we be from the same parents? Plus theres like a thousand other religions. I'd have just as good of a chance as I would making up my own religion. Lets say I believe in christianity. But now I never become one with brahman. Or I get sent to hell by zeus? (Don't know much about that one) if I had to choose which religion I wanted to believe in I'd probably choose hinduism. When you die its just like 'game over, try again'
Utter, Utter chaos.
@@JLTrj00913 Well one dude said'no man hath seen god at any point' qne another dude brought up seeing god. Whos right? Jacob or john? Not to mention all of the flaws with adam and eve. Incest horrificially disfigures people. Doing that since the beggining of humanity? We'd be unrecognisable. And theres a ton of evidence that supports evolution. And we're not all related biologically, so how can we be from the same parents? Plus theres like a thousand other religions. I'd have just as good of a chance as I would making up my own religion. Lets say I believe in christianity. But now I never become one with brahman. Or I get sent to hell by zeus? (Don't know much about that one) if I had to choose which religion I wanted to believe in I'd probably choose hinduism. When you die its just like 'game over, try again'
I must thank Redeemed Zoomer for this video. Without it I wouldn't have had all the laughs watching the countless atheist response videos. This one video has been a gold mine for atheist creators and has provided me hours of entertainment. Thank you Redeemed Zoomer!
You know a video is good when you have already seen 7 people debunk it and there are still other interesting ways to debunk it that you haven't seen yet
@@StrikerEureka13could you recommend me those atheist response videos?
@@pythondrink I'll name some who debunked it. Alex O'Connor, Professor Plink, Rationality Rules, and Sir Sic. These are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
the fact that there are countless debunk videos on this one says enough about the arguements made by redeemed zoomer :)
Best to be gentle as he is probably a teenager
I love the ending! Praise Jesus!
I can only imagine this level of reasoning appealing to a middle schooler discovering debate for the first time.
Yeah, the video is "light". However you're argument is non-existent. You showed him😂
@@beni4366They weren't to make an argument...
@@hardyhardyha5767 I'm aware. It's just his superior opinion. What else does one need, right?...
@@beni4366 A facetious video warrants a facetious response.
was about to say this. lol
So 40 of the worst arguments answer with weak counter arguments, nice
B-but he's the chad and they're the soyboy!! He can't be wrong!
Yeah, and a simple critically thinking man can answer all that. (I did, won’t show you because those people won’t understand)
Seeing a lot of straw arguments from the atheists
I understand that discussions about the existence of God can be challenging, and perspectives can vary. One specific point you mentioned was about the weakness of the arguments presented. Could you provide an example of a specific argument that you found weak? I'd like to explore it further and see if we can delve into the specifics. Keep in mind that the complexity of theological discussions often involves subjective interpretations, and what might seem weak to one person could be compelling to another."
@@HyperDriveHub-420 „Somewhere you are less likely to be Atheist” - No, somewhere you are more likely to be Discriminated as an atheist.
„Religious wars are only 10% and it’s mostly Muslim.” - Christian holy wars were still destroying great cities, like Jerusalem, plundering all wealth and often g***ciding all populations.
>strawman every argument
>still somehow fail to rebut the strawman
Ladies and gentlemen, the peak of Christian intellect. This is like the greentext where the dude lost an argument against an imaginary person in his head and even stuttered.
Atheists trying not to mock Christianity for more than 5 minutes: *Level Impossible*
Could not be said better
This guy has stated in the past that he's a terrible debater
@@sammstudios6534 I think I've pointed out half of them by time stamp and showed their fallacies...
The video is legit bs
@@dominicsouthern7672 then he should shut up tbh
I love God
Someone graduated from the Ben Shapiro school of sophistry
Seriously. This is the second video I've gotten recommended to this guy and the one before this one was him changing the definition of math to "prove" god
Easy there, young sheldon! Save some pretentiousness and punchability for the rest of us!
@@Tacocat-li8xf
Ohh somebody is malding 🤭
Tbf Ben Shapiro would do a much better job arguing *any* of these points than this guy; his debate with Alex O’ Connor alone is evidence for that.
bro just defended atheism
I find it hard to understand you
@@dontspikemydrink9382because this video is inherently self-contradictory, leaving more questions than answers
@@virtueschan like what/when? Where is your evidence, what are you talking about? if something goes against ur ideology dont just make a baseless claim to try and cover yourself, name specifics
@@nferno1013Why would he go into that much detail in a youtube comment nobody will see but you and a handful of people
No💀
Hi Redeemed Zooomer! Thank you for this illuminating video. I really was down the wrong path all my life. I was a religious person until I saw this.
I wish I were religious though, because I'd have hope that there's a special place for people like you.
fake
how original
@@thug588 still put more thought into it than Redeemed Zoomer's arguments
I watched this as a Christian who has always struggled with doubts, hoping there'd be good points, and the video is so braindead it unironically has probably had the opposite effect from what I hoped. When it would come to a legit question I ask myself all the time, he either says something that makes Christianity sound unappealing, God sound evil, or himself sound like a moron.
And his video on Heresies is similar but with extra judgemental shit. I watched it to learn about them and just ignored the bits where he called each and every one stupid lol
@@washabe Yeah, this is an absolutely awful video and I'm convinced it is bait. I have many theist friends and none of them are like this. The person who made this video is either truly an imbecile or pretends to be one to attract attention / views.
Good luck (with regards to the doubts thing)! Either way, you seem to be a nice person so it's all good in the end. Or that's how I see it. Cheers!
I needed this thank you so much for posting this please pray for some of my friends who do not believe and may the LORD our God bless you all abundantly forever and always in JESUS mighty and precious name Amen🙏🏽❤️✝️
If this video were in a corn field crows would be terrified of it
strawman lmao
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I'd be scared if somebody threw several strawmen into a raging dumpster fire in the middle of a farm
No one who uses wojaks, or memes with Ernest Khalimov, is to be taken seriously
@@trevrockrock16 Still more mature than whatever this video is.
@@trevrockrock16 You mean the atheist logic that dismisses logical fallacies & unironically using wojak+gigachad imaginary like in this video?
as an atheist, I love your channel because it talks about other religions as well. But I have to say, damn. These are some major strawmen arguments, and the ones that you respond to arent even good reasons, they can be broken up so easily
It's just never enough is it...then go the other path. Go into the occult, magick, witchcraft, Crowley then come back and tell me it isn't real.
You are supposed to elaborateeeee
@@thebaguettegod9769 who me?
Give us an example
@@brianrardin8441 I have alot of examples but here's one
His response to "A lot of evil has been done in the name of Religion".
He said "Well, a lot of bad people were atheists, like Ad*lf H*tler"
This does not provide a rebuttal to the point. The mistake he is making is that he is avoiding the actual point. Those bad people like AH do not do their bad deeds in the name of "atheism". While some religious people do bad things in the name of religion.
You don't see atheists blowing up buildings, commiting murders and other things in the name of Atheism. Maybe some atheists are bad people, but they aren't doing bad things FOR atheism. That's the difference. AH didn't kill all those people in the name of atheism. But i have plenty of examples of religious people doing bad things IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.
My fellow Zoomer and Brother in Christ, excellent analysis. I will be adding this video to my watch later. To utilize some of these arguments on a later date.
Ok, try. Try and use them and immediately realise they have no actual bareing. How do you know which religion is true?
Make sure you add it to your "Laughing" playlist, because thats the only thing people are going to be doing when you tell them these arguments.
"documented cases of people with demonic possession" yea i think it's enough
Why don't go you do it yourself then? Who knows what you'll find! Doesn't it sound exciting??
"documented cases of people with demonic possession" saying that is the perfect way to lose your chair at the scientific discussion.
@@JamesPreusmaybe if you stop saying physcotic breakdowns and schizophrenia as "demonic possessions" instead of mental illness issues than no
I have depicted YOU as the soyjack and ME as the chad. Checkmate, atheists!
OK, Cletus 🙄
@@Sundae_Timeslmao did you like your own comment
@@littlemoth4956 No but you did.
@@Sundae_Timeslol liked his own comment 20 times
@@niyah000 Yeah, imagine if there were such a thing as sock accounts that could make that possible! Oh... wait
How is "evil" the lack of good"? How do you come up with this?
A rock isn't "good." Is it evil?
@@PatrickWDunne How do you decide that the rock isnt good?
Sins of omission work with the idea of evil being a lack of good, while sins of comission work with the idea of evil being outright bad.
@@1x1boop28Because it's a fucking rock
@noakinn A rock that performs the ends to which it was created can be described as a "good" rock. A cup with a big hole in the bottom of it is a bad cup, because it was created to be drank out of and it cannot be used to this end.
"Why did god let evil exist at all?"
"Because he's glorified in defeating it"
This statement singlehandedly shows how religion physically alters the mind. You cannot fail to see the utter wrongness in every which way of this statement, unless you've thoroughly deluded yourself.
Just on a sidenote: According to the bible, god has created evil on purpose. And obviously, he isn´t defeating or fighting anything. He is way too busy giving aids and ebola to helpless starving children in africa.
Dude, this whole video us just a meme, why are y'all taking it too serious? I'm not christian yet I find it pretty entertaining to watch
The allowance of evil always leads to a greater good
@@gianni206 Sorry but that was the dumbest sentence I have ever heard. Can you explain how that should be the case? Every day about a million children get raped, please explain what good comes from that?
@@hitman5782 “Dumbest sentence I’ve ever heard”? You must never be online then
See, true Atheists will never be douchebags to ask questions like these. I'm Orthodox and have many Atheist friends, there's always so much respect between the two different viewpoints and the desire to learn more about them. People asking questions like these are just losers with nothing going on in their life who wanna make other people bitter, reddit atheists and discord mods.
Yup, sadly this is not an atheist (or christian) trait. Its a human one.
These things happen on all sides.
in real life (outside of reddit), it's the religious extremists who harass people with their annoying recruitment tactics. normie athiests and religious people should team up against the extremists.
Idk what's the reason to disprove the 'arguments' of everyone its really not changing anyone's beliefs in the first place i'm an atheist but my goal isn't to make everyone an atheist but it seems to be the goal of religion based channels..., to convert or convince anyone that thier religion (here Christianity) is the reason of everything that has ever happened.
@@Th3Visitor I’m also atheist, but I don’t ever try to proselytize others into being atheists.. I never tried to “argue” about religion because we will literally never know if there is a God, plus my goal is not to tell people “hey I think your religion is wrong”
@@Th3Visitor an act of saving the world. Same with religious folks that try to shove stuff on people. They just care and think they're helping.
You are indifferent like me which is what's morally questionable
As a christian, I love how Redeemed Zoomer said "It's zoomin' time" and throws a bunch of crackpot fallacies
as a christian, which fallacies? so i’m not refuting false ideologies
First, it’s a 9 minute video.
Second, name the fallacies or I will have to suggest you’re a progressive pseudo intellectual
@@rawkfist-ih6nk literally just search up "all atheist arguments answered in 10 minutes debunked" its not that hard
@@Clqssics7 How about you just try actually reading or using critical thinking and not depend on a UA-cam video of a religious kid who doesn't know anything about atheism argue about it
@@rawkfist-ih6nk t'was a joke... -_-
the arguments redeemed zoomer layed out aren't really in depth, and the whole video is meant to serve as a joke, honestly some atheists didn't get the memo, but I understand their interpretation
also I wouldn't argue endlessly in the comment section if I were you, it would waste our time,
so we can just agree-to-disagree and move on, yeah?
The contradiction between "god is supernatural, he' works outside of science" and "there have medically documented instances of miracles" is pretty funny.
Either he interacts with reality and is thus "testable," or he exists outside of reality and is thus untestable. They can't have it both ways.
While I do not think this video was a good one, nor am I even sure that there's a God, I want to point out that I don't think those two particular statements necessarily contradict each other.
I've often heard God proposed as a being who, though beyond science in both capabilities and presence (for example existing on some other plane or in some non-physical form), can and does influence the material world by usage of these Godly abilities. For many consider God the creator, with ultimate influence over nature; not of it yet involved in it. You could consider an artist or a computer programmer as an example: not of the thing they create, certainly beyond it, but also with great ability to affect further outcomes should they so wish.
@@OttoBinks He is testiable, look into philosophy
@Claire-tk4do I understand, but anything that affects the physical world can be tested, even if its ultimate origin is unknowable. After all, we don't know why the laws of the universe are what they are, but we can still measure them precisely.
Or to use your programmer analogy, the faith-healing claim is that the we live in a programmer's simulation with code that says "if they worship me, I'll sometimes heal them miraculously". That claim is testable, even if the origin of the code isn't. And unsurprisingly, every time it's tested, it ends up being no better than random chance.
"works outside of science" while also acting through "natural processes"
5:51
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things [ISAIAH 45:7]
To give christian’s benefit of the doubt here, the word isn’t evil but calamity. Which is still fucked up.
Amen danieldavid69
2:46 exodus 21:20-21
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property"
Redeemed zoomer, please explain this verse to me
"It was just indentured servitude. That's totally it even though lev 25: 44-46 makes it very clear that isn't true"
This is from the Old Testament. This shows God's will for progressiveness. For context, slavery was accepted as a normal practice in ancient society (but this is not an endorsement of slavery);, and God was showing people its time for progressiveness by regulating social behavior and justice. Morality progresses through time. The New Testament, particularly through the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, emphasizes love, equality, and justice, which surpass the Old Testament regulations.
Consider yourself for the sake of the argument, that you are a Christian slave. God has put in the bible that your master cannot kill you. This was written to give you hope and survival under harshness of slavery that can happen (or might happen, hopefully never again) to anybody. This verse wasn't really meant for the slave owner, it is meant for the slave. It was written to provide solace that there are laws that offer you, the slave, protection. If the master kills you, they will be punished.
Finally, New Testament obviously does not endorse slavery. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you" (Matthew 7:12) Why become a slave owner? Do you want to become a slave?
@@tigrederd So why did he ban everything else, but not this one thing? Also, the New Testament also allows slavery and the Bible never even hints at slavery being a bad thing, but it does condone it repeatedly
Because there is no point in brainwashing the populous with a religion if it removes your country's economic power i.e. slaves
1:14 experiencing some unknown stuff doesn't make it supernatural it's just unknown!
There was a time when people thought raining was supernatural...
wow that's crazy!
The universe exists. It didn't have to. Why is there something instead of nothing. Existence itself is supernatural for the fact that it exists at all. You will never find a way to make the birth of the universe natural.
I agree, that point is just straight up objectively wrong, we have no evidence proving nor disproving it. Saying it's true because theres no evidence against it is literally a logical fallacy
@@sarthaksharma9129 exactly 👌
@@AlexIsPsychotic you have expunged the point he brought up, that people have come back from spiritual experiences with accurate information they didn't previously have access to. I find a lot of this video to be unhelpful to all, but that point is definitely valid and should not be glossed over.
Frame one soyjak is a bold argumentative strategy not gonna lie.
Thank you for helping solidify why I’m an atheist.
the funniest thing about this has to be that midway through he tries doing a whiny voice for the wojak, but it sounds exactly the same as his normal Steve Urkel voice
Could you elaborate on your point that "triumph over evil is a greater good than evil just having never existed"? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but in I suppose more "earthly" terms, that's difficult to accept. Why is e.g. rescuing a child from an abusive home a greater good than a child never having been abused at all? Or, in less earthly terms, why does an entity that is great and all-powerful need to be further "glorified"?
Your confusing a good life with a neutral life
Good and evil is binary neutrality is just good
So yes a child not being abused is better but that’s because it is good not evil
Evil is the lack of good so for goodness to exist evil must also exist
what proves that its that way and not good is the lack of evil@@CarysV2
@@CarysV2 Totally wrong definition of "neutral". A neutral life good and bad, that is the binary life. While the good life is filled with highs. These are the definitive meanings but they can be subjective in the understanding of the two.
Why triumph over evil is greater than evil never existing, is because first of all it's a triumph (duh). Secondly, you know this is true from your own experience. Surely you know what it is like to relax, treat yourself and have fun after hard work or after suffering through something. That feeling is one of the best in the world. Surely you also know that if you had nothing to do, but relax, have fun and treat yourself, that would become boring, addictive and awful after some time. Those good things are meaningless, as all good things are meaningless, without having something bad to compare them to. Just like relaxation after hard work, we don't understand the glory and happiness of peace before we suffer. Without suffering, adversity and evil, heaven would be meaningless.
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 To everything you say after "Surely you know", MY answer is "no, I know the opposite".
6:26 so he made the problem, just to get a pat on the back when he “fixed” it? Ah yes, makes sense
whats about other answers? nothing to say?
@user-hm6yf7or1t sir that’s not my job. I saw a video and responded to one of the things that they said in the video. I can go back in and watch and give you am some answers if you’d like
@@MykhailoAndrushchenko ...If you do want a comprehensive list of responses, I do think someone posted a video in response to this? Haven't fully watched it yet though.
(Also for any future commenters, I am agnostic.)
@@MykhailoAndrushchenko Look at the other comments shredding this awful tripe, lol.
@@MykhailoAndrushchenko I posted a comment addressing every single point, all I got for my effort was some weird transphobe telling me to touch grass lol.
Look guys, this may be an unpopular opinion but he’s not trying to be in depth. I think he was trying his best to entertain Christians. I’m a Christian myself and I laughed at a few of these myself. Meanwhile, atheists think this guy was going to sit down, and have a 20 hour talk about all of these questions. He probably had to simplify these because he needed time to make the next video. Anyway, I just think he didn’t have enough time to go in depth to these questions, and that’s ok, at least for me. Because he makes my day better anyway. 🥹 Bless you, Zoomer. 😇
If they wanted that they should also look at Mike Winger, because he definitely goes in-depth, and most likely has videos on these. (in fact I'm certain he does)
That's exactly what this video is. You can't have a serious discussion about ALL of these objections in 9 minutes.
The atheists in the comments are giving off serious "15yo searches for 'atheist arguments debunked' videos on YT that they can take super-serious and be combative with in the comment section" vibes.
I mean don’t market your video as “disproving” atheist arguments when you can’t do so in the slightest. You don’t just get to say you’re disproving atheistic questions and then say you weren’t trying to do that when you get called out for how bad your arguments are. Some of his answers are even wrong from a Christian viewpoint for instance when he says God allows evil to happen because we deserve it when the entire book of job is about disproving that notion and showing that bad things happen to good people as part of God’s plan to make them better believers. I don’t believe in God and could defend Christianity better than this
It's not about the depth. Many of his counter-argumebts are misleading, fallacious or outright wrong.
My grandpa died of cancer, he was the nicest man I've ever met
Tell me that he died because he (or I) deserved it yet Pol Pot died peacefully at home in his sleep
Edit: Thank you to all the Christians and athiests being kind, but it is genuinely crazy how many "devout" and "kind" Christians will publicly say that a man they never met deserved to die of cancer, just because he didn't believe in the same god as they did
This comment should be on top.
My condolences
depends on what you think happens after death. if you believe there is a god, there is an afterlife where there is fairness. your grandfather suffered, but then could have experienced a joy of being free from pain. death isn't such a terrible thing if you believe in a god, but if you don't believe in a god, you have to face the cold harsh realities of genetics and nature. he lived a good life, and died a terrible death and that's it? i would say that's more upsetting than to think he was taken by a god who knows how good and loved he was.
it's not about who deserves what, it's how do you choose to live life? bitterly and walking the world alone, or believing there is a higher power beyond this life
So you're saying Pol Pot isn't burning in hell?
@@adonisparts1343 my grandpa was an atheist, so chances are that both of them are there
I dont really have a valid reason for being atheist. Lots of people tell me how God and Jesus saves, and when I was in a bad place he didn’t help me, so I helped myself. I dont hate God and I dont hate theists. I just think that the ability to overcome great adversity and be kind by your own merit is greater than waiting for a god to help you find that path.
Theists anger me with their stupidity, which often invokes hatred. I don't hate "god", but I think I understand why some atheists would if they went through a particularly brainwashing and abusive indoctrination.
absolute fire comment!
You are not supposed to wait you were never supposed to god does not help those who sit in one place doing nothing hoping some miracle happens thats wrong god helps those who try hard and fight
If you wanna achieve something and you want god's help god will help you only if you've put your will in it thats when god will support you and i have felt it in my life because i tried hard to achieve it then ask god for help
Im not Christian im Muslim and we have a saying you do your job and god does its job your job is to follow gods orders and putting your will in the things you wanna do studying working .... Then allah shall help but won't get help or much help if you just sit in one place praying for some miracle
Jesus saves from the wrath of God and gives eternal life. Good luck saving yourself from God's wrath and defeating death.
@@cameronm5248how do you know that it was hehe
"Do you really think God made the entire universe just to have a personal relationship with you?"
"I don't know. He's told us almost nothing about what's going on out there or why it matters. And it's not like it was that difficult for him."
I will try to explain it as best as I can. For God humans are his most valuable creation because we are made in his own likeness. God sees himself in all of us and so he is interested in having a deep relationship with us. He may have made everything else, but a star or a galaxy, no matter how pretty to him those things are, aren't like him. Only we have been blessed by him to be made in his image and after giving us the ability to speak and think he wants to see if we can think more like him and to see if we can appreciate the numerous things he gave us.