One of the things I've noticed watching these old films is the absolute brilliance of Dorothy and Arlene. Arlene will methodically dissect, piece by piece until reducing to the truth. Dorothy is a long-range archer, taking a shot from afar, and then the second getting closer, then the third shot and the arrow files true to its target, the quick kill. I was mostly a child during the show's airing and remember in general. Ir was fun. But as a senior, in looking back, I did not appreciate he brilliance of the panel, the immersing and satisfying struggle of the panel vs. the host, the ability to play along or just enjoy the panel's befuddlement. A special time in American culture.
Your archery analogy is flawless and poetically classic. Well phrased, well writ, well conceptualized. Bravo. The hunter goddess Dianne would highly praise your efforts. Smart. Very SMART. Bull's eye! Gregg Oreo long Beach Ca
I am fairly new to watching these and I have been impressed with the careful choosing of words so that they get the answer they are looking for. It requires some very complex thinking skills. Then John Daly's long deliberately obtuse but also skillful answers that are confusing but also understood. Such was the language use of 60 years ago.
The stupid 'walk of shame' and the stupid 'free guesses' were all ideas of the producers who wanted to liven things up because they assumed the panel would only guess maybe one in ten of the occupations. Later on, the average was one in three which was amazing..
It has been said Bennett Cerf used to read the passenger lists of flights coming into NY. By the time Sunday show night came around he had a short list of guesses of who the celebrity guess was. If you watch enough episodes you will see him quickly out of thin air guess them. I feel Arlene and Dorothy were excellent honest guessers. Jmho
@@cruiseboston638 Great anecdote, thanks. The panel also seemed to know every film in the theaters, and every show on Broadway and their casts to be able to narrow down celebrity guests.
I have a copy of the Duke of Bedford's book "How to Run a Stately Home" -- an amusing account of the behind-the-scenes workings of running his estate as a tourist attraction. It was clear from reading it that he didn't take his position or himself too seriously, but he was even funnier as a contestant than I had expected. That rural American accent was hilarious!
Arlene was struck by the casual attitude of the Duke because she strives to be in elevated circles.Yet,Dorothy was totally informed! Social climbers like Arlene show their hands regularly. Of course, John Daly has the connections.He had an upper class upbringing. 🏵
From 1948 to 1957, instead of the Duke of Bedford, Brooklyn had their own Duke of Flatbush who hit many homers onto and over Bedford Avenue. He played briefly for the Dodgers in 1947, but didn't homer at home until 9/3/48. He still holds Dodgers career franchise records for home runs and runs batted in. His birth name was Edwin Donald Snider, but he strutted around with such confidence as a young child, his family nicknamed him "The Duke" and it stuck. He was my childhood favorite baseball player.
The realtor through whom we bought our house had the last name Snider. Earlier in his life, he played minor league ball in the Texas Rangers system. Three guesses what nickname his teammates gave him. lol
+dodge96neon Hyacinth would never have gotten close to the Duke; she would have been carried away by security. By the way, although she pronounces her married name as "bouquet," it actually is Bucket. She spells it a number of occasions on "Keeping Up Appearances."
Oh Hyacinth would have put up quite the front to get close to him...talking about her relationship with his wife at various social functions or her last candlelight supper!
I was intrigued by Bennett's question about the recent cranberry scare (15:35), so I looked it up and found quite a bit of information about this apparent FDA screw-up (termed "the great cranberry scare of 1959"), the most interesting of which is in this video: Cranberry Scare of 1959 / Cranberry Blues - Robert Williams and the Groovers. Also, John really set himself up by asking Bennett to repeat his awful "bog better than bite" pun. He may have done it deliberately, though, because I have noticed him on more than one occasion telling a contestant from Cranbury, NJ, "well, let's not get bogged down..." during the initial introductions at the blackboard. :o
Yes, your information is correct. Bennett was wrong to say that a blight was involved. The pesticide was required to be banned under a then new law, the Delaney Clause, that provided that any human carcinogen could not be tolerated at any level in any product (a phenomenally idiotic law that was not repealed until the 1990s). The food safety hysteria led to few cranberries being served for Thanksgiving in 1959 and huge financial losses for cranberry growers, although some government funds later were provided to growers. But so much of the business turned on sauce and fresh for Thanksgiving. As a result of the scare, growers diversified in both time of sales and product by inventing and promoting a new product -- cranberry juice cocktail.
I'm happy to hear that Ocean Spray is a cooperative still to this day! Welch's fruit products (jams, jellies & juices) is also a cooperative. These coops should be patronized wherever possible, instead of relying on large food corporations.
I've been to Woburn Abbey and it's an amazing home.....well worth going to see. Also so many other things happen on the estate. Rock Concerts, and they have a zoo too.....just a whole days worth of things to see.
The Teddy Boys or Teds were a mainly British youth subculture of the mid 1950s to mid 1960s who were interested in rock and roll and R&B music, wearing clothes partly inspired by the styles worn by dandies in the Edwardian period, which Savile Row tailors had attempted to re-introduce in Britain after the Second World War.[1]
At 13:58 Arlene asks if the product had ever been alive. Cranberry's were not living? I'm surprised John Daly didn't at least have a conference over that.
I’ve found that "ever been alive" in the context of WML refers solely to animal products. I’ve never seen that question answered in the affirmative (even though it should be) when dealing with plant products.
Carver’s cranberry bog heaven. I think of Ocean Spray (it’s a cooperative with 700 members) as a Massachusetts-focused thing, but as it turns out, it’s got plants (and coop members) in Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, New Jersey, Florida, and parts of Canada. (Thing I don’t know: Is the juice common elsewhere, or is it mostly an East Coast thing?) Anyway, the Harrimans were some of the earlier members of the co-op, or rather, Mrs. Harriman’s parents were (in the 30s), and Mr. Harriman brought expertise. As noted, she died in 1998 (but seems not to have had an obit, for some reason.) She was born a Ward, and the Wards are Mayflower descendants, which the Mayflower descendants, at least, really care about. In her spare time, she and her husband had 2 kids (and eventually grandkids), and she was active in Town Meeting & other aspects of town government (like, she audited Carver’s books sometimes).
Cranberry juice has a following due to its health benefits in other parts of the country. It is fairly popular here in California for that reason. However, I'm referring to the unsweetened variety not the class sugar-loaded Ocean Spray juice.
There was an Eileen Ford who was 3 years old in the Bronx in 1940. That would make her about 24 years old for this episode if it is the same person. Other than that, it is difficult to search for her because the last name is common as well as her sharing a name with a famous modeling agency icon.
For Martin, Dorothy, Arlene and Bennett's sake, I'm so glad that they did not listen to John at 2:21 when he said he felt it necessary to tell the panel to "blind yourselves"
Well, technically, no, that's not true, fishhead06. E.g., crystals can grow, but they're not alive. That said, of COURSE, cranberries were once alive. This categorization of plants as non-living things is just one of the many basic errors in biology made on WML over the years. I just posted a new video compiling dozens of examples, including this very segment. Check it out! ua-cam.com/video/oPSejh5E7BQ/v-deo.html
Indeed. Their usage of "family" and "species" is quite annoying for anybody with some biology background. Maybe plants not being considered alive is the worst among those errors as you point out. There is also a weakness in geography except for Bennett. The biology bugs me the most though. Then again, these are entertainment people and I give them lots of leeway in knowledge of other fields.
14:02 Arlene: "Would the product...ever have been alive?" "No." Another example of plants (in this case cranberries) not being alive. Only animals can be alive? This has definitely been the (mis)interpretation before, but I distinctly remember Tony Randall forcing John to concede that plants were living. Must not have stuck....
Good observation! How can they not be alive? They grow, breathe, respond to some stimuli, and reproduce. To say that they are not, could “lead someone astray!” Yet it is a controversial issue. And could it be said that the fruit from plants is not alive?
People get very fussy about the 'was it once alive?' question. Of COURSE they know cranberries are 'living', that paper comes from trees which are 'living' etc.etc. They'd have to be pretty backward to to not know that and the glossing over of it is not a sign of a poor education system, let alone an indicator of why Russia got their Sputnik out there before the US did (as someone below suggested). Come on!!! It's quite simple. They had the debate once about what one means by 'alive' but from then on I understand by using the word 'alive' that they are talking about a sentient creature rather than a block of wood that's come from a tree. It's an interesting debate about whether or not the word 'alive' is suitable but for the sake of a half hour panel show they forego the opportunity. Anyway, that's that. Relax, all you science academics out there, and enjoy the show!!
+StephenDreher The Duke admitted that his name had been in the newspaper recently in the society pages. Dorothy, as a gossip columnist, would have been active reader of the society pages. Also, he had said that he was from Great Britain and he said he was not a Lord (even though John Daly muddied that). Dorothy was in England on numerous occasions, having been invited to Queen Elizabeth's coronation as well as other royal weddings, so she likely knew that a Duke would not be addressed as "My Lord." So she had a few clues to go with and she was a smart cookie. :)
She was a smart cookie, no doubt about that. Cerf might have been more well rounded in terms of general knowledge though as Dorothy, by her own admission, was woefully unfamiliar with geography and anything beyond general familiarity with sports. But once she was on track, watch out.
18:00 > This may be among the first if not the first time Dorothy asked her zinger question -- did you loose your address book out of a helicopter over Greece? She asked that question a number of times from this point up to 1965 -- but she never asked the right person . If she suspected this was Bob Hope she could have used the zinger -- was your father a stone mason?
another example, with studying dentistry, where she was playing to gain information only for herself and not to help anyone else. And I don't think that any time she asked one of these, it was asked to the guest she was thinking of.
18:00 > This may be among the first if not the first time Dorothy asked her zinger question -- did you loose your address book out of a helicopter over Greece? She asked that question a number of times from this point up to 1965 -- but she never asked Anthony.
Stephanie McCoy soulierinvestments This is certainly the first time I've heard it -- it's worse than the "did you study dentistry" question aimed for Casey Stengel! At least this time she explained her intentions about it right away. Could it be that the loss of that address book by Tony Perkins was something Dorothy had previously mentioned in her VOB column? Incidentally, I just watched "Tall Story" with Tony Perkins, Jane Fonda and Ray Walston on TCM. Not a terribly good film (and with quite an awful conclusion from an ethical standpoint), but it had some funny moments, and it was fun to see Tony as an actor from around the same period as the WML episodes with him that I've recently seen.
While Dorothy generally played to win more than to entertain, it occurs to me that she asked these obscure questions (other examples being whether the MG gave her something in the last month, or did she see the MG perform recently) to reinforce her reputation as knowing details about the lives of many of the biggest celebrities and that she also hobnobbed with them.
The Duke's ancestor is blamed for introducing the Grey Squirrel into England & therefore almost wiping out the native Red. The Duke's son married a lady who bore a remarkable resemblance to Jackie O.
How many times was Bob Hope on the show? Bennett Cerf seemed to recall a show when Hope was on and they started guessing a bunch of other comedians' names just to frustrate him. Cerf said "We spent the rest of the evening guessing every comedian in the world except Bob Hope.... Bob joked along with us for a couple of rounds, but then he began getting angry. We were asking these idiotic questions and dredging up comedians long forgotten." Must have been some other appearance, or Cerf's memory wasn't very sharp.
When Dorothy mentions Tony Perkins, his wife Berinthia "Berry" Berenson-Perkins (née Berenson; April 14, 1948 - September 11, 2001) was an American actress, model and photographer. Berenson, who was married to actor Anthony Perkins from 1973 until his death in 1992, died in the September 11 attacks as a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11. (Wikipedia)
The UK Peerage is difficult for a common Brit to understand, let alone a common American. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be a Lord and involved in government. As I figure it, Bedford is descended from King Henry 7 thru daughter Margaret Tudor, thus descent goes thru King James 5 & 6 of Scotland, James 1 of England and then Kings Charles 1 & 2 of England. All of Charles 2's children were illegitimate and thus excluded from succession, and there is a line stretching from one of these illegitimate children to Bedford. .
It's silly to get frustrated with a show from 62 years ago and people no longer living, but John Daly, whom I enjoy overall, messed up with the duke. The contestant was doing a good job with the southern accent and no one seemed to be on to his British origin -- until Daly responded to Arlene's "the 400" question by asking, Do you mean the American blue book? Then it took only seconds for them to get he was from British high society.
I have been sitting here in my own sloth, gaining weight and watching the spots on my forehead try to fade (unsuccessfully so far). I am glad that you still retain an interest in me. Me, not so much.
+Joe Postove Those of us named Lois are skilled at seeing through an exterior disguise. In your case, there's a good guy underneath. And the rest of my answer will be sent direct.
It could be. I had my usual Shabbos beating the old man this weekend. Stress (I am told by my doctor) ain't so good for children, other living things and guys recovering from shingles.
+William Linington Growing up, I enjoyed his early films on TV. The first film I saw that was totally pathetic was Call Me Bwana in 1963. Years later I watched an interview where Hope was asked a Q about timing. He replied that timing was not nearly as important as material. What I cannot understand is if he realized this, why was he not doing whatever was necessary to obtain top-notch writers?
Silly me I was under the impression they were all on the same team for better and worse. No matter how ugly. That's Loyola from here. The labels need change, some of them. New art. That's Herron & Martin so it's Williams & thats me but it's my mom's side too. Both sides. I might be related to more than 1 of these people. They're fumbling. These don't mix with Bennet very well. They were from different kinds of tools. That's thanksgiving. One kind each. Sorry your stuck in the past.
I've seen several comments from time to time about how this show could never work today. Most cite the immaturity level of actors today, lack of class and manners, etc. However, I feel the real reason this show would not work today is many contestants would not be able to get past the initial question of "Miss or Mrs.?" There would be too many cat fights/dog fights over gender bending issues, not to mention the now all too common and useless "Ms."
The question in 2023 would be, "What are your preferred pronouns?" 😵💫 If anyone dares to ask me that, I always respond with "MASTER/GOD" just to shut them up.
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One of the things I've noticed watching these old films is the absolute brilliance of Dorothy and Arlene. Arlene will methodically dissect, piece by piece until reducing to the truth. Dorothy is a long-range archer, taking a shot from afar, and then the second getting closer, then the third shot and the arrow files true to its target, the quick kill. I was mostly a child during the show's airing and remember in general. Ir was fun. But as a senior, in looking back, I did not appreciate he brilliance of the panel, the immersing and satisfying struggle of the panel vs. the host, the ability to play along or just enjoy the panel's befuddlement. A special time in American culture.
Your archery analogy is flawless and poetically classic. Well phrased, well writ, well conceptualized. Bravo. The hunter goddess Dianne would highly praise your efforts. Smart. Very SMART. Bull's eye! Gregg Oreo long Beach Ca
I am fairly new to watching these and I have been impressed with the careful choosing of words so that they get the answer they are looking for. It requires some very complex thinking skills. Then John Daly's long deliberately obtuse but also skillful answers that are confusing but also understood. Such was the language use of 60 years ago.
The stupid 'walk of shame' and the stupid 'free guesses' were all ideas of the producers who wanted to liven things up because they assumed the panel would only guess maybe one in ten of the occupations. Later on, the average was one in three which was amazing..
It has been said Bennett Cerf used to read the passenger lists of flights coming into NY. By the time Sunday show night came around he had a short list of guesses of who the celebrity guess was. If you watch enough episodes you will see him quickly out of thin air guess them. I feel Arlene and Dorothy were excellent honest guessers. Jmho
@@cruiseboston638 Great anecdote, thanks. The panel also seemed to know every film in the theaters, and every show on Broadway and their casts to be able to narrow down celebrity guests.
I have a copy of the Duke of Bedford's book "How to Run a Stately Home" -- an amusing account of the behind-the-scenes workings of running his estate as a tourist attraction. It was clear from reading it that he didn't take his position or himself too seriously, but he was even funnier as a contestant than I had expected. That rural American accent was hilarious!
Arlene was struck by the casual attitude of the Duke because she strives to be in elevated circles.Yet,Dorothy was totally informed! Social climbers like Arlene show their hands regularly. Of course, John Daly has the connections.He had an upper class upbringing. 🏵
SO NICE TO SEE THIS EP I WAS BORN AND GROW UP IN THE UK
AND KNEW THIS MAN AND A VERY NICE MAN HE WAS TO
Truly a joy to watch this.
I like the fact that Bob Hope did so much to entertain our troops overseas.
Go to the USAF Museum in Dayton Ohio, there's an entire tribute to him there.
He was brilliant.! ❤
He cared for the troops so much. ❤
If he was here the war was over
Bob Hope was a great and talented actor. He was intelligent and so funny. I have heard others in his field praise him.💜
From 1948 to 1957, instead of the Duke of Bedford, Brooklyn had their own Duke of Flatbush who hit many homers onto and over Bedford Avenue. He played briefly for the Dodgers in 1947, but didn't homer at home until 9/3/48. He still holds Dodgers career franchise records for home runs and runs batted in. His birth name was Edwin Donald Snider, but he strutted around with such confidence as a young child, his family nicknamed him "The Duke" and it stuck. He was my childhood favorite baseball player.
The realtor through whom we bought our house had the last name Snider. Earlier in his life, he played minor league ball in the Texas Rangers system. Three guesses what nickname his teammates gave him. lol
Bedford is doing an excellent South-of-the-Mason Dixon-line accent!
it would have been a riot if hyacinth bouquet had been on the panel with the first guest
+dodge96neon Hyacinth would never have gotten close to the Duke; she would have been carried away by security. By the way, although she pronounces her married name as "bouquet," it actually is Bucket. She spells it a number of occasions on "Keeping Up Appearances."
Oh Hyacinth would have put up quite the front to get close to him...talking about her relationship with his wife at various social functions or her last candlelight supper!
+Christine Dorman
Are you saying that if Hyacinth had managed to elude security, the Duke would have kicked the Bucket?
Arlene played her role. The obvious social climber.
Happy Birthday Bob! Thanks for the memories!
Just before Bob Hope signs in John Daly's expressions show this is going to be someone extra special.
I was intrigued by Bennett's question about the recent cranberry scare (15:35), so I looked it up and found quite a bit of information about this apparent FDA screw-up (termed "the great cranberry scare of 1959"), the most interesting of which is in this video: Cranberry Scare of 1959 / Cranberry Blues - Robert Williams and the Groovers.
Also, John really set himself up by asking Bennett to repeat his awful "bog better than bite" pun. He may have done it deliberately, though, because I have noticed him on more than one occasion telling a contestant from Cranbury, NJ, "well, let's not get bogged down..." during the initial introductions at the blackboard. :o
Thanks ST TPC, I was going to look it up. I was only 14 at the time so I did not have a clue what he was talking about.
Yes, your information is correct. Bennett was wrong to say that a blight was involved. The pesticide was required to be banned under a then new law, the Delaney Clause, that provided that any human carcinogen could not be tolerated at any level in any product (a phenomenally idiotic law that was not repealed until the 1990s). The food safety hysteria led to few cranberries being served for Thanksgiving in 1959 and huge financial losses for cranberry growers, although some government funds later were provided to growers. But so much of the business turned on sauce and fresh for Thanksgiving. As a result of the scare, growers diversified in both time of sales and product by inventing and promoting a new product -- cranberry juice cocktail.
I'm happy to hear that Ocean Spray is a cooperative still to this day! Welch's fruit products (jams, jellies & juices) is also a cooperative. These coops should be patronized wherever possible, instead of relying on large food corporations.
I remember the Bob Hope Thanksgiving show where they would have the College All American Football Players of the Year.
I've been to Woburn Abbey and it's an amazing home.....well worth going to see. Also so many other things happen on the estate. Rock Concerts, and they have a zoo too.....just a whole days worth of things to see.
I have been trying to save up .32 cents, sounds great!
Two shillings for admission. You could buy a few pints for that money back in the day.
There are so many secrets in this industry. Amazing how many inside jokes there are. Wow
i love it! tnx!
Arlene: Would you be in the Society Column?
Duke: Yeah.
Arlene: Not with an answer like that!
Damn, I wish I could have married her...
She is a supporter of facades. She doesn't realize that when you are happy in your own skin that pretenses disappear.
This is the second time that I've heard Arlene make a comment about Dublin being in the UK. I'm surprised nobody corrected her after the first time.
No surprise. She was not aware that the UK is NOT Europe! Totally different!
@@JanetM-ro6xc: Of course she knew that the UK was not Europe. She just assumed that all of Ireland was in the UK. Some people still do.
Arlene at 5:41 "He's one of the Teddy boys." Nice reference to a British subculture of the early sixties.
Teddy boy?
The Teddy Boys or Teds were a mainly British youth subculture of the mid 1950s to mid 1960s who were interested in rock and roll and R&B music, wearing clothes partly inspired by the styles worn by dandies in the Edwardian period, which Savile Row tailors had attempted to re-introduce in Britain after the Second World War.[1]
At 13:58 Arlene asks if the product had ever been alive. Cranberry's were not living? I'm surprised John Daly didn't at least have a conference over that.
They have never been too concerned with biological accuracy.
Her cranberries were grown in Plymouth, Mass. Not much happens in Plymouth, therefore, technically they were never alive.
I’ve found that "ever been alive" in the context of WML refers solely to animal products. I’ve never seen that question answered in the affirmative (even though it should be) when dealing with plant products.
I love how Arlene flip Bennett bad pun.
Carver’s cranberry bog heaven. I think of Ocean Spray (it’s a cooperative with 700 members) as a Massachusetts-focused thing, but as it turns out, it’s got plants (and coop members) in Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, New Jersey, Florida, and parts of Canada. (Thing I don’t know: Is the juice common elsewhere, or is it mostly an East Coast thing?)
Anyway, the Harrimans were some of the earlier members of the co-op, or rather, Mrs. Harriman’s parents were (in the 30s), and Mr. Harriman brought expertise. As noted, she died in 1998 (but seems not to have had an obit, for some reason.)
She was born a Ward, and the Wards are Mayflower descendants, which the Mayflower descendants, at least, really care about. In her spare time, she and her husband had 2 kids (and eventually grandkids), and she was active in Town Meeting & other aspects of town government (like, she audited Carver’s books sometimes).
Cranberry juice has a following due to its health benefits in other parts of the country. It is fairly popular here in California for that reason. However, I'm referring to the unsweetened variety not the class sugar-loaded Ocean Spray juice.
+juliansinger
Looking at Carver with Google Satellite View, I can see that it is a place where one can easily get bogged down.
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There was an Eileen Ford who was 3 years old in the Bronx in 1940. That would make her about 24 years old for this episode if it is the same person. Other than that, it is difficult to search for her because the last name is common as well as her sharing a name with a famous modeling agency icon.
The announcer is Jack Clark.
Hal Simms does the opening (Allstate insurance). Jack Clark is the announcer.
23:07 “that’s no way to talk about a lady” 😂
A society man like Bedford began his responses with ,"Yeh." And then he changed to Sir and Ma'am.
Had Martin Gabel had a steaming row with Arlene just before going on stage his introduction would've been just as apt!
For Martin, Dorothy, Arlene and Bennett's sake, I'm so glad that they did not listen to John at 2:21 when he said he felt it necessary to tell the panel to "blind yourselves"
Never should have made her mention she lives close to Plymouth.
Cranberries aren't alive? How do they grow, then?
"Growing" and "alive" are two different things.
But one is the necessary condition for the other.
Well, technically, no, that's not true, fishhead06. E.g., crystals can grow, but they're not alive. That said, of COURSE, cranberries were once alive. This categorization of plants as non-living things is just one of the many basic errors in biology made on WML over the years. I just posted a new video compiling dozens of examples, including this very segment. Check it out! ua-cam.com/video/oPSejh5E7BQ/v-deo.html
I'm sorry, I was imprecise. I meant that being alive is a necessary condition for growth.
Indeed. Their usage of "family" and "species" is quite annoying for anybody with some biology background. Maybe plants not being considered alive is the worst among those errors as you point out. There is also a weakness in geography except for Bennett. The biology bugs me the most though. Then again, these are entertainment people and I give them lots of leeway in knowledge of other fields.
Bob rushing back to his hotel room. He had a Welsh Rarebit on a simmering heat.
14:02 Arlene: "Would the product...ever have been alive?" "No." Another example of plants (in this case cranberries) not being alive. Only animals can be alive? This has definitely been the (mis)interpretation before, but I distinctly remember Tony Randall forcing John to concede that plants were living. Must not have stuck....
Oh go be a pendant elsewhere. The rules of this game were never written in stone.
Good observation! How can they not be alive? They grow, breathe, respond to some stimuli, and reproduce. To say that they are not, could “lead someone astray!” Yet it is a controversial issue. And could it be said that the fruit from plants is not alive?
Celebrities had so much class back then
People get very fussy about the 'was it once alive?' question. Of COURSE they know cranberries are 'living', that paper comes from trees which are 'living' etc.etc. They'd have to be pretty backward to to not know that and the glossing over of it is not a sign of a poor education system, let alone an indicator of why Russia got their Sputnik out there before the US did (as someone below suggested). Come on!!!
It's quite simple. They had the debate once about what one means by 'alive' but from then on I understand by using the word 'alive' that they are talking about a sentient creature rather than a block of wood that's come from a tree.
It's an interesting debate about whether or not the word 'alive' is suitable but for the sake of a half hour panel show they forego the opportunity.
Anyway, that's that. Relax, all you science academics out there, and enjoy the show!!
Well stated!!
Absolutely 🇬🇧
How did Dorothy latch onto the Duke....seemed to come from out of nowhere.
+StephenDreher The Duke admitted that his name had been in the newspaper recently in the society pages. Dorothy, as a gossip columnist, would have been active reader of the society pages. Also, he had said that he was from Great Britain and he said he was not a Lord (even though John Daly muddied that). Dorothy was in England on numerous occasions, having been invited to Queen Elizabeth's coronation as well as other royal weddings, so she likely knew that a Duke would not be addressed as "My Lord." So she had a few clues to go with and she was a smart cookie. :)
She was a smart cookie, no doubt about that. Cerf might have been more well rounded in terms of general knowledge though as Dorothy, by her own admission, was woefully unfamiliar with geography and anything beyond general familiarity with sports. But once she was on track, watch out.
+StephenDreher Haha! Very true.
@@christinedorman3383 very well said
She had a "weenie"
John didn’t flip the cards for that cranberry lady like he did with some other people. He didn’t seem to have any consistent pattern with that.
*_THE DUKE OF BEDFORD_*
*_OWNS AND OPERATES CRANBERRY BOG_*
*_SUBWAY POLICEWOMAN (NEW YORK TRANSIT AUTHORITY)_*
Bob Hope reminds me of jack Benny.
John Daly never should have asked her to qualify where she lives, giving the geography of being close to Plymouth. Gives way too much info away.
I live in Plymouth 🙀
I wonder if a gal is rather disheartened if she doesn't get ANY whistles. Jeepers, I would.
Joe Postove damned if you do damned if you dont
Bob seemed butt hurt when Bennett Cerf said he was jealous of Bing Crosby.
No. He was not.
@@peternagy-im4be ok, i trust you on this
18:00 > This may be among the first if not the first time Dorothy asked her zinger question -- did you loose your address book out of a helicopter over Greece? She asked that question a number of times from this point up to 1965 -- but she never asked the right person . If she suspected this was Bob Hope she could have used the zinger -- was your father a stone mason?
another example, with studying dentistry, where she was playing to gain information only for herself and not to help anyone else. And I don't think that any time she asked one of these, it was asked to the guest she was thinking of.
try writing . lose, it's quite easy!!
She asked it to Sean Connery too
18:00 > This may be among the first if not the first time Dorothy asked her zinger question -- did you loose your address book out of a helicopter over Greece? She asked that question a number of times from this point up to 1965 -- but she never asked Anthony.
Up to 1965?? Boy was she determined, lol.
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This is certainly the first time I've heard it -- it's worse than the "did you study dentistry" question aimed for Casey Stengel! At least this time she explained her intentions about it right away. Could it be that the loss of that address book by Tony Perkins was something Dorothy had previously mentioned in her VOB column? Incidentally, I just watched "Tall Story" with Tony Perkins, Jane Fonda and Ray Walston on TCM. Not a terribly good film (and with quite an awful conclusion from an ethical standpoint), but it had some funny moments, and it was fun to see Tony as an actor from around the same period as the WML episodes with him that I've recently seen.
soulierinvestments I wonder if at her funeral did anyone leave an address book
While Dorothy generally played to win more than to entertain, it occurs to me that she asked these obscure questions (other examples being whether the MG gave her something in the last month, or did she see the MG perform recently) to reinforce her reputation as knowing details about the lives of many of the biggest celebrities and that she also hobnobbed with them.
Okay, I give up. What does Martin Gabel have that I don't? Answer: Arlene Francis. Damn.
I wonder if The Duke of Bedford ever met The Lords of Flatbush?
Yes
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The Duke's ancestor is blamed for introducing the Grey Squirrel into England & therefore almost wiping out the native Red. The Duke's son married a lady who bore a remarkable resemblance to Jackie O.
Who cares
Bennet did not get bogged down with the second contestant.
Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!
How many times was Bob Hope on the show? Bennett Cerf seemed to recall a show when Hope was on and they started guessing a bunch of other comedians' names just to frustrate him. Cerf said "We spent the rest of the evening guessing every comedian in the world except Bob Hope.... Bob joked along with us for a couple of rounds, but then he began getting angry. We were asking these idiotic questions and dredging up comedians long forgotten." Must have been some other appearance, or Cerf's memory wasn't very sharp.
Here is the one Cerf was referring to: ua-cam.com/video/5Nibm66yXIU/v-deo.html
bob hope was the very best!
When Dorothy mentions Tony Perkins, his wife Berinthia "Berry" Berenson-Perkins (née Berenson; April 14, 1948 - September 11, 2001) was an American actress, model and photographer. Berenson, who was married to actor Anthony Perkins from 1973 until his death in 1992, died in the September 11 attacks as a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11. (Wikipedia)
I think not.
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Who lost their address book over Greece?
Tony Perkins.
The UK Peerage is difficult for a common Brit to understand, let alone a common American. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be a Lord and involved in government. As I figure it, Bedford is descended from King Henry 7 thru daughter Margaret Tudor, thus descent goes thru King James 5 & 6 of Scotland, James 1 of England and then Kings Charles 1 & 2 of England. All of Charles 2's children were illegitimate and thus excluded from succession, and there is a line stretching from one of these illegitimate children to Bedford. .
;D
So odd in today's world to hear women referred to as Girls. Arlene was 54 years old!
And men are referred to as Boys. It's colloquial, not insulting.
Oddly enough, the subway plainclothes policewoman looked like she was wearing a badge, at least when she was seated
But it is actually a brooch.
It's silly to get frustrated with a show from 62 years ago and people no longer living, but John Daly, whom I enjoy overall, messed up with the duke. The contestant was doing a good job with the southern accent and no one seemed to be on to his British origin -- until Daly responded to Arlene's "the 400" question by asking, Do you mean the American blue book? Then it took only seconds for them to get he was from British high society.
Did I hear a dog bark during the closing credits, under the music?
+Joe Postove
Maybe you heard a tree bark?
I have been sitting here in my own sloth, gaining weight and watching the spots on my forehead try to fade (unsuccessfully so far).
I am glad that you still retain an interest in me. Me, not so much.
+Joe Postove
Those of us named Lois are skilled at seeing through an exterior disguise. In your case, there's a good guy underneath. And the rest of my answer will be sent direct.
+Joe Postove
It sounds like someone coughing.
It could be. I had my usual Shabbos beating the old man this weekend. Stress (I am told by my doctor) ain't so good for children, other living things and guys recovering from shingles.
I must have a strange sense of humour, because I never found Bob Hope to be funny.
Then I must have a strange sense of humor, too. :) Bob Hope is about as funny as a hangnail to me.
What's My Line? About as funny as a root canal!
+William Linington Growing up, I enjoyed his early films on TV. The first film I saw that was totally pathetic was Call Me Bwana in 1963.
Years later I watched an interview where Hope was asked a Q about timing. He replied that timing was not nearly as important as material. What I cannot understand is if he realized this, why was he not doing whatever was necessary to obtain top-notch writers?
William Linington That would depend on who was writing for him @ the time. Kinda like Johnny Carson and Dick Cavity:-/
What's My Line? You two must be crazy. Never seen the road movies or his “my favorite” movies? Hilarious
Well this was stupid...the last contestant came with her police badge on !! Duhhhhh
That’s a brooch.
I was going to say, looks like a brooch.
Wrong again.
Silly me I was under the impression they were all on the same team for better and worse. No matter how ugly. That's Loyola from here.
The labels need change, some of them. New art.
That's Herron & Martin so it's Williams & thats me but it's my mom's side too. Both sides. I might be related to more than 1 of these people.
They're fumbling. These don't mix with Bennet very well. They were from different kinds of tools. That's thanksgiving. One kind each. Sorry your stuck in the past.
why does weird Kilgallen not wear easy on / off spec blindfolds like the others?
Because she's weird.
She is NOT weird :(
Because she is the panelist whose looks improve when a blindfold or mask is on.
I've seen several comments from time to time about how this show could never work today. Most cite the immaturity level of actors today, lack of class and manners, etc. However, I feel the real reason this show would not work today is many contestants would not be able to get past the initial question of "Miss or Mrs.?"
There would be too many cat fights/dog fights over gender bending issues, not to mention the now all too common and useless "Ms."
The question in 2023 would be, "What are your preferred pronouns?" 😵💫 If anyone dares to ask me that, I always respond with "MASTER/GOD" just to shut them up.
Wow! WML dragged the bottom in this 1st guest. He must have told them he wanted to be on...DESPERATELY:-/
I thought he was most enjoyable. Didn’t take himself too seriously, and sure put the panel off for a bit with those very unBritish slangy answers.