Kosen Judo techniques not found in Jiu Jitsu (Joichi Hirao)
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They should do more kosen judo outside the normal channels, it's the only way to expand and create more aspects of it.
I agree
I love how they both overcame the language barier. It is one of the purest form of communication in my eyes.
Thank you
You have to learn someone else language and respect the culture. We can overcome the language barrier because of that.
@@-oanMinhNhat English is the lingua Franka. It's neither of these guys' native language
Hi, Chadi, I really apreciate your hard work showing us this beautiful world of the wrestling, I'd like you to talk about the self defense aspect of wrestling and about the "dirty fight" techniques on real life
You got it
It is good that kosen judo doesn't allow filming because the Gracies would just copy it, rename the techniques then claim their family invented it while marketing it for over priced tuition.
God bless the kodokan and kosen judo in Japan.
God bless Chadi.
Exactly what they did with Judo proper.
SRT, which MMA and BJJ guys have no interest in, is one of the techniques that Japanese female athletes are best at.
Considering that they're the real dominant force in Newaza, you can see how powerful a technique SRT is in Judo.
They're the ones who inherit Kosen-Nanatei Judo.
However, their techniques are heavily focused on Pins, so they just don't get enough attention from other fields outside of Judo.
In Judo, the most important thing on the ground is how to attack the turtle, so it's only natural that emphasis is placed on this.
excellent interview
Awesome video as always chadi.
Thank you
Great job as always 👏 👍
🙇🏻♂️
I love kosen judo but bjj will steal these techniques and say they invented it, I'm not dissing bjj but every where I go they say that they made the ground techniques
That was years ago, the landscape of the martial arts world changed a lot. Many great Jiu Jitsu figures giving homage to Judo nowadays, people now are more aware.
They will say the gracies “invented” it for weak people.
yeah most high level BJJ guys cross train in Judo now and vice versa.
I'm tired of it too. Kosen judo is as good or better than BJJ in a gi but gets no credit.
You don't see the front triangle attack for the turtle, the huinginza roll/samboplata. You don't see people go for the triangle control from a kimura attack that is a basic position from the turtle front triangle attack. You don't see people go for the judo armbar from the back against a turtle. Theres a bunch but those come to mind for regular judo
Going for the armbar from back control is risky against high level grapplers because you're abandoning dominant position; something that has always been heavily emphaszied in BJJ. The front triangle just isn't easy to land against BJJ guys. There's too much situational awareness. In Judo, both attacks are often used because there's so little time given for ground-work , and opponents will turtle to stall the match. A lot of submissions are rushed in Judo because of this. You have to get it as fast as you can, and to be honest, ne-waza defense is not that great in Judo. It's more about defending until it gets restarted than a systematic defending, and then progressing with your own attack.
Excellent God bless 🙏👏👌👍
Thank you
Hi Joichi from Shidokan Montréal !!!
Also I'm hoping judo players will do more ground work I see the Europeans have good newaza but the rest of the world is lacking
@star35mm I'm glad to hear because judo is complete we should be good at top and ground game
I don´t understand why to this day many judokas (mostly japanese) neglect ne waza.
@star35mm Tsunetane Oda was right, randori should be 50 % nage waza and 50 % ne waza. Many japanese practitioners of Judô (Kododan or Olimpic) train a lot of ne waza but are still the minority, i hope in the future they will follow Tsunetane Oda´s thinking. I think Kodokan Judô should be 50 % randori (ne waza and nage waza) and 50 % self defense (kata form with grappling and atemi movements).
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What you are saying is completely not true.
Japanese female athletes have far more wins in Newaza than in Tachiwaza.
They have 77 wins in Newaza but 41 wins in Tachiwaza at the Olympics and World Championships
from 2015 to 2021.
Conversely, male athletes have 27 wins in Newaza but 81 wins in Tachiwaza.
Men just don't have to rely on Newaza as heavily as female athletes do because their chances of winning in Tachiwaza are far greater than those of women.
If Kosen judo adapt their technics to no gi, they could develop their art more and more
Agreed.
There’s potential
@Chadi Seeing a kosen judo specialist in a grappling no gi tournament would be a big step for worldwide recognition and authenticity of this discipline.
It would be really wonderful to revive the technicality of Masahiko Kimura demonstrated during his fight against Helio.
The kosen could add leg locks which would make the fighters much more dangerous.
Kosen judo seeks more to control its opponent by putting pressure through Osaekomi-Waza techniques.
and to combine or make transitions with Shime-Waza and Kansetsu-Waza techniques.
Example (Yoko-Shiho-Gatame with udegarami)
I think that's the great strength of this art. It doesn't just seek arm or leg locks like Brazilian jujitsu does.
The fight between khabib and rafael dos sanjos was a very good example.
For me, the biggest achievement would be to have kosen judo specialists teaching grappling to UFC fighters.
@@yopyop8175 for now the problem remains the same, they want to keep it in the seven universities only
@@yopyop8175 Kikuda Kanae fought in ADCC he won 88kg no gi tournament.
I think I learned the technique of destroying turtle from Okada sensei
Do you have a video showing how to do the triangle choke from kosen judo that you were talking about in the beginning of this vid?
Unfortunately no filming was allowed during practice
ua-cam.com/video/Nj-nH05diIY/v-deo.html
I wanna know the technique as well
Isn't that the first time Yuki Nakai is used Asano-gaeshi in a BJJ tournament?
I think Yuki Nakai brought Asano-gaeshi to BJJ after UFC1. Asano-gaeshi is a Kosen Judo sweep.
Show this technique in the next video.
Is that Andre Galvao in blue in the thumbnail ?
Also, are you aware of the bjj triangle set up called “powder keg”? It’s a good one
I’ll check
日本語は本当にすごくになったですよねー！😮
じゃ、そうならある日私達日本語で会話しましょう。😉
私は本当に感銘されました。頑張って下さい。
ありがとうございます🙏🏻🙇🏻♂️
Can you please post a video of that Turtle to Triangle set up please? I couldn’t visualize it.
I need to train it more, perhaps in the near future
Foreigners must first understand
This judo has rules, not a style
And it's not a style that everyone can start with
It is a sport that only super elite university students in Japan can play
Brain elite, not physical elite
This is only 7 schools of judo
Is this the technique you're talking about at the beginning? ua-cam.com/video/_lIZyxdgJLs/v-deo.html
I know Brazilian BJJ coach taught this technique in the late 20th century.
someone asked him that question with this link, ua-cam.com/video/Nj-nH05diIY/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BernardoFariaBJJFanatics and he said thats not it, i think thats the same technique
Could you link a video of the kosen judo setting up into triangle against turtle? Would love to see it as it sounds unique
Edit- is this the technique?:
ua-cam.com/video/Nj-nH05diIY/v-deo.html
No, this is classical, the one I saw in practice was different, it just obliterates the turtle not filter through. No filming was allowed unfortunately.
And ua-cam.com/video/5Reizn_7FkM/v-deo.html
@@Chadi thx for the reply. Yeah the way the guy was talking in the linked video it sounded like that technique was known among kosen judo. It's unfortunate they don't allow recordings but understandable if it's for competition. Maybe you could do your best to recreate it with a partner while recording or is this a situation where that would be frowned upon? Don't want you to get into any trouble. Love your channel by the way, keep up the great work!
@@BiblicallyAccurateToaster sure! I’ll try my best, thank you
@@Chadi im way curious to see you try to recreate it also
Bravo pour vos vidéos la vérité eclate en plein jour, la propagande du J JB à trop duré
Helio Gracie not use Kosen judo completely.
He didnt use iit,he only learmed kodokan judo which were the same thing at the time in the early 1920s.
The guy that trained the gracies was technically standard Judo BUT mostly trained with the ground guys that later formed Kosen judo- Judo from 1890s-1924 was going more towards newaza til Kano stepped with more rules against it.
@@teovu5557 kodokan was newaza heavy at the time maeda was in Japan so thats what he learned.What he taught inbrazil was a very narrow subset of that along with self defence.
@@scarred10 He trained with Yukio Tani(student of Mataemon Tanabe who was the guy wrecking Kodokan in Newaza) and newaza experts Taro Miyake and Sadakazu Uyenishi.
日本語難しいなぁ. But, yeah. Getting good.