the majority of vaulted content is returning in final shape / post-final shape, or so the grape vine says, you'll be able to install chunks of game like mcc provided you have the space. but do take this with a big grain of salt.
@@calvinfishermedia I'm certainly hoping it turns out to be true, I wanna play through the red war and forsaken again so badly, especially if they're going to give them a legendary mode ;)
I had an idea, to help remedy the vaulting issue: Releasing the removed campaigns(just the story missions and patrol zones, not the strikes or raids) as standalone, offline, single player/couch co-op games. Depending on the level of effort they'd want to put in maybe even have any weapons/pickups you want to keep transfer to the live game. Or if they want to keep it in the D2 ecosystem, maybe like the raid/dungeon rotator or the future exotic mission rotator, have the old campaigns cycle to be replayable for a season or so. Could even put in D1 stuff like TTK or RoI and appropriate loot for those.
I think it would just be great if they made it optional, so that if you could spare extra storage space like I can you can download it if you want to replay older content.
I think this is a marketing scheme by Bungie or there masters. When the Destany story is finished Bungie will release all the campaign as some kind of collective saga. Deleting the old campaign for now is a way to force people to buy new content and letting the cutseans and game play stay online is a way to draw in people. So when the old campaigns are all rereleased people will buy them to exspains it.
I'm in similarly unorthodox as you when it comes to Destiny 2. Played all of Destiny 1. Played a fair bit of Destiny 2 when it first came out but was disappointed in the story and cosmetics at the time. Touched on various DLCs here and there but always failed to get back into it. Missed out on Cades death and now feel like I more than ever could not get into Destiny 2 even if I really wanted to. The only way I can see the sun setting as a sort of... Positive experience is one that not everyone can share. One where players who played the original story could tell new players as if they are new awakened Guardians being told stories from the ones who came before. Only this is heavily role play inspired and I don't think most Destiny players would interact like that. (I WOULD) but still, it isn't enough of a "unique experience" to have them sunset so much paid content like they did.
Definitely! The one positive about sunsetting that it creates “had to be there” moments, which can certainly create a special bond with the game. Glad I could speak to a similar situation to your own. Thanks for watching!
They made the game extremely unfriendly to new and returning players. Whenever I try to get back into it, all my favorite gear is now worth nothing cause of the light increase, and every other player feels as though they have been grinding all day every day. My buddy said and I agree with him, they should have ended the game much earlier, that’s why he still loves Destiny one, because it’s actually a complete game
Yeah, the cycle is really tiring when you grind out a season to get really cool gear, and then it meaning nothing when you return. It’s definitely one of the reasons I stopped playing consistently.
After being fed up with 343I's Halo, I tried getting into Destiny 2 last year... But I couldn't... Maybe if I was able to play the campaign in their release order, I would !
Hey man sorry it took so long to catch up on this video but I will say the story of Destiny 2 is one that I have not really bothered to explore all that much. I've played the game extensively when I was able to get it for free but even then I find that the first Destiny strived so much better on all sides. It was the first of its franchise and overall I just miss playing the original Destiny. Great times...
I’m with you there, my best memories are definitely with D1! There is just a vibe to it that D2 doesn’t quite match. Hope you enjoyed your vacation man, excited to see your Starfield content!
I think that Destiny should look at Elder Scrolls Online for how to make a MMO story easy to join. In ESO, there's a tutorial that's a story of its own. At the end, you can choose to play one of the 3 storylines from the base game, or start one of the expansions storylines. You can do them in any order since they're all independant stories, although with recurring characters. It's way better for new players. ESO is better for new players than FFXIV because you can join at the release of a new expansion and play at the same time than veteran players, which is amazing.
I really like ESO too, and I enjoy how you can play the latest expansions without having to go through all prior expansions. I think the one drawback to this approach is because ESO’s expansions are fairly isolated, they don’t build much off of each other narratively, and you don’t end up with the grand arc that ff14 has. Definitely a way easier onboarding process though, and there are pros and cons to both approaches. I could see either being used to benefit D2!
One problem I have with ESO is that you can't replay the stories, at least with the singleplayer games I can mod them to max out my character from the start if I just want the story. I can't do that with ESO, they need a story replay option.
while i do agree the immediate cutscene of every after you log in for the second time is annoying and bad move, most of the content that they are describing / recapping is old seasonal content that you can't play, other than that great video edit the tower from the new light tower mission is a time capsule, no content was vaulted since it was made, they just haven't updated the roster, location edit 2 electric boogaloo: IIRC it was so that destiny 2 didn't become too big file size wize
I think this is a marketing scheme by Bungie or there masters. When the Destany story is finished Bungie will release all the campaign as some kind of collective saga. Deleting the old campaign for now is a way to force people to buy new content and letting the cutseans and game play stay online is a way to draw in people. So when the old campaigns are all rereleased people will buy them to exspains it..
This game is horrible. I’m trying to play make nothing makes sense. Everything I boot the game the story has skipped. Example I started the beginning of the witness. Today I boot and the witness is defeated I’m fretted with a video about celebration. Time to delete this game and forget it ever existed
Definitely. It’s crazy how the game spoils the ending with a forced cutscene on bootup. It feels like bungie doesn’t consider the new player experience with a lot of their decisions
This sounds like a much needed angry rant after a weekend of kicking that tail kicked in trials!! 😅😂 Calm down my man all good things must come to an end. No one plays games a decade later, not with any real meaning. I also don't understand how you can make an angry rant about how awful Bungie is as a company but you look forward to supporting them with Marathon.... Why??? You clearly laid out why they don't wanna support any games in perpetuity so why even bother with Marathon when it's launch begins the countdown to it's end and it starts feeling neglected like D2?
Thanks for watching everyone! What's your opinion on Destiny 2? Love it? Hate it?
the majority of vaulted content is returning in final shape / post-final shape, or so the grape vine says, you'll be able to install chunks of game like mcc provided you have the space.
but do take this with a big grain of salt.
@@Chr0maY wow, that would be incredible news if true! I haven’t heard of this before, I’m definitely going to look into it. Thanks for sharing.
@@calvinfishermedia I'm certainly hoping it turns out to be true, I wanna play through the red war and forsaken again so badly, especially if they're going to give them a legendary mode ;)
It's pretty much an abusive relationship that has me feeling that bungie itself has no fucking clue why the first destiny worked
I had an idea, to help remedy the vaulting issue: Releasing the removed campaigns(just the story missions and patrol zones, not the strikes or raids) as standalone, offline, single player/couch co-op games. Depending on the level of effort they'd want to put in maybe even have any weapons/pickups you want to keep transfer to the live game.
Or if they want to keep it in the D2 ecosystem, maybe like the raid/dungeon rotator or the future exotic mission rotator, have the old campaigns cycle to be replayable for a season or so. Could even put in D1 stuff like TTK or RoI and appropriate loot for those.
I love that first idea. I always wished Destiny 2 had an offline mode, so that sounds like a dream come true for me.
Wow, that's a great idea. Can't believe nobody at bungie thought of this yet
I think it would just be great if they made it optional, so that if you could spare extra storage space like I can you can download it if you want to replay older content.
I think this is a marketing scheme by Bungie or there masters.
When the Destany story is finished Bungie will release all the campaign as some kind of collective saga. Deleting the old campaign for now is a way to force people to buy new content and letting the cutseans and game play stay online is a way to draw in people.
So when the old campaigns are all rereleased people will buy them to exspains it.
I'm in similarly unorthodox as you when it comes to Destiny 2. Played all of Destiny 1. Played a fair bit of Destiny 2 when it first came out but was disappointed in the story and cosmetics at the time. Touched on various DLCs here and there but always failed to get back into it. Missed out on Cades death and now feel like I more than ever could not get into Destiny 2 even if I really wanted to.
The only way I can see the sun setting as a sort of... Positive experience is one that not everyone can share. One where players who played the original story could tell new players as if they are new awakened Guardians being told stories from the ones who came before.
Only this is heavily role play inspired and I don't think most Destiny players would interact like that. (I WOULD) but still, it isn't enough of a "unique experience" to have them sunset so much paid content like they did.
Definitely! The one positive about sunsetting that it creates “had to be there” moments, which can certainly create a special bond with the game.
Glad I could speak to a similar situation to your own. Thanks for watching!
They made the game extremely unfriendly to new and returning players. Whenever I try to get back into it, all my favorite gear is now worth nothing cause of the light increase, and every other player feels as though they have been grinding all day every day. My buddy said and I agree with him, they should have ended the game much earlier, that’s why he still loves Destiny one, because it’s actually a complete game
Yeah, the cycle is really tiring when you grind out a season to get really cool gear, and then it meaning nothing when you return. It’s definitely one of the reasons I stopped playing consistently.
I’m still angry and depressed that I missed out on Seasons of Undying and Dawn due to school/work!
Same man! There are a few seasons I feel I missed out on. Thanks for checking out the vid!
After being fed up with 343I's Halo, I tried getting into Destiny 2 last year... But I couldn't... Maybe if I was able to play the campaign in their release order, I would !
I definitely get why you turned away. The new player experience is just bad, especially for players interested in the campaign content
You explain exactly why I've avoided this game.
Glad I could articulate why this game put you off! Thanks for watching.
Hey man sorry it took so long to catch up on this video but I will say the story of Destiny 2 is one that I have not really bothered to explore all that much. I've played the game extensively when I was able to get it for free but even then I find that the first Destiny strived so much better on all sides. It was the first of its franchise and overall I just miss playing the original Destiny. Great times...
I’m with you there, my best memories are definitely with D1! There is just a vibe to it that D2 doesn’t quite match. Hope you enjoyed your vacation man, excited to see your Starfield content!
@@calvinfishermedia thanks man and ya I agree D1 was the best. Can't wait to see your Starfield video.
I think that Destiny should look at Elder Scrolls Online for how to make a MMO story easy to join.
In ESO, there's a tutorial that's a story of its own. At the end, you can choose to play one of the 3 storylines from the base game, or start one of the expansions storylines. You can do them in any order since they're all independant stories, although with recurring characters. It's way better for new players.
ESO is better for new players than FFXIV because you can join at the release of a new expansion and play at the same time than veteran players, which is amazing.
I really like ESO too, and I enjoy how you can play the latest expansions without having to go through all prior expansions. I think the one drawback to this approach is because ESO’s expansions are fairly isolated, they don’t build much off of each other narratively, and you don’t end up with the grand arc that ff14 has. Definitely a way easier onboarding process though, and there are pros and cons to both approaches. I could see either being used to benefit D2!
One problem I have with ESO is that you can't replay the stories, at least with the singleplayer games I can mod them to max out my character from the start if I just want the story. I can't do that with ESO, they need a story replay option.
while i do agree the immediate cutscene of every after you log in for the second time is annoying and bad move, most of the content that they are describing / recapping is old seasonal content that you can't play, other than that great video
edit the tower from the new light tower mission is a time capsule, no content was vaulted since it was made, they just haven't updated the roster, location
edit 2 electric boogaloo: IIRC it was so that destiny 2 didn't become too big file size wize
Thanks for sharing your insights! I think you’re right on the file size, that is what I heard as well.
I think this is a marketing scheme by Bungie or there masters.
When the Destany story is finished Bungie will release all the campaign as some kind of collective saga. Deleting the old campaign for now is a way to force people to buy new content and letting the cutseans and game play stay online is a way to draw in people.
So when the old campaigns are all rereleased people will buy them to exspains it..
I would be really happy if they did that! My dream would be an offline capacity for campaigns too, but I know that is just a pipe dream lol
@@calvinfishermedia all dreams can be good stories
Thats the thing about Destiny. If you want lore or story, you have to go elsewhere to find it.
True! It’s a shame though, I think the game definitely could support having a lot of the story content contained within. Thanks for watching.
yes!!
Thanks for stopping by! Hope you enjoy the video!
This game is horrible. I’m trying to play make nothing makes sense. Everything I boot the game the story has skipped. Example I started the beginning of the witness. Today I boot and the witness is defeated I’m fretted with a video about celebration.
Time to delete this game and forget it ever existed
Definitely. It’s crazy how the game spoils the ending with a forced cutscene on bootup. It feels like bungie doesn’t consider the new player experience with a lot of their decisions
Fr it so condtradictory.
Thanks for watching!
@@calvinfishermediano problem man
@@damusaetrum6742 definitely agree with you. The game feels like such a mishmash of ideas and priorities at times.
@@calvinfishermedia exactly
Do the stalker series next, it's an incredibly interesting setpiece
Stalker is a great idea! I have a list of games I want to cover, and I’ll definitely add it to the list
This sounds like a much needed angry rant after a weekend of kicking that tail kicked in trials!! 😅😂 Calm down my man all good things must come to an end. No one plays games a decade later, not with any real meaning. I also don't understand how you can make an angry rant about how awful Bungie is as a company but you look forward to supporting them with Marathon.... Why??? You clearly laid out why they don't wanna support any games in perpetuity so why even bother with Marathon when it's launch begins the countdown to it's end and it starts feeling neglected like D2?
I’m confused. I don’t think I ever mentioned Marathon in this video, or playing/supporting it. What are you referring to?
Either way, thanks for checking out the video!