Hidden GOW Ragnarok Secret ENDING & Dialogue FOUND in files! (God of War Cut Content RESTORED)
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2022
- Finally we have found some hidden content regarding the ending of God of War Ragnarok, and there is alot to unpack! This video will cover the cut sequence regarding Surtr and Sinmara, and the ending questline regarding their hearts.
As mentioned, this document has the cut text dialogues for Kratos, Atreus, and Sinmara:
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I dont mean to be slow but... is this like, doable stuff in the game? Is there a mission for getting to Sinmara, her and Surtrs heart?
@@dantesos7564 its unfinished cut content, so its not possible to do this in game, because the missions don't actually exist
Not sure if you know about Jirard the Completionist or not but he released a video and it is confirmed their is no DLC for Ragnarok the game itself and its in game post content is the finale of the Norse saga and if they plan to make a new one it will have nothing to do with Norse mythology I do hope that some people reconsider and possibly reimplment the cut content because the abruptness of the spark of the world story climax in the game as it were was very jarring in the story and I think the cut content felt better in the game than it did as is without it also I wouldn't be surprised if there was cut content for Sevartlhiem and Alfhiem in regards to rallying the armies where we could have done small things to help out what was basically the end game because it really does feel like important parts are missing
well done
I know data-mining Playstation Exclusive games is a huge undertaking from watching creators work with Bloodborne. Finding this, especially so soon after the game's release, is fantastic work! Great job!
It's definitely an interesting take, but it's such a jarring shift for Atreus at too late a point in the game. He has matured so much at this point. While he did want vengeance, he was still a compassionate kid. He would personally never forgive himself if he did that to Surtr and Sinmara.
The best alternative woulda been if Sinmara herself walked into Muspelheim and consoled Surtr, telling him that it's okay. That they've not been hiding away from each other out of love, but in reality, out of fear, and that they can never truly be together if they lived in that constant fear. That's when Surtr finally gives in and voluntarily merges with Sinmara.
I would definitely love that better for sake of Sinmara and Surtr, like if they will be lost in the transformation at least they would still be together despite Surtr saying that this was the lesser pain it was pretty much not his call to make and he took the choice they should've made together.
Don't know if that would console her in any case so maybe it is best to stand aside as she grieves?
it would have been better if there was an alternative ending for the boys dark path which will be based on how you treat him just like in witcher 3.
As much as I love this take, this would go against the game's central theme of choosing your own fate. Maybe in another timeline where the game follows the prophecy of Kratos dying, this would be a good redemption for Surtr and Sinmara's story.
I would’ve loved to see that it makes more sense than “choose the lesser pain “ but for who exactly? It’s like kratos robbing freya of decision to let balder kill her. Surtr made the decision for sinmara instead of at the very least bringing her into the fold all so she doesn’t have to die but what if she wanted to die with him. he doesn’t get to make that call which is why ragnarok was incomplete. That made no sense to me
Woow
Man this scene would have added a whole new layer of character development for Kratos because he is witnessing Atreus act like how he was in the original trilogy, someone who would sacrifice anything and anyone in order to fulfill his vengeance.
I'm ngl, kinda bummed out this didn't make it.
The problem with this route is that it would end up undermining Atreus' overall character arc about becoming a better person.
Plus, it would also end up making his character far less sympathetic.
Not to mention how it would affect the fandom.
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 The latter two aside I think it would be really out of character considering his previous reckless actions like freeing Garm or thinking he's using Odin'would temper his better nature to be more dominant than that of the "loki" side.
Think of who they are here in similar circumstances, old kratos sacrificing things for vengence because he has nothing left is not the same as Atreus who still has his father and found family, alongside empathy toward Odin's madness and all that were roped to serving him. All of that would be a lesson in caution.
So tricking Sinmara to get a second Ragnarok when Surtr failed would be immensely out of character and meanspirited. Plus I can't really see how it would work either unless we get like two unstable Ragnaroks
Not every game and story needs to be a depressing pile of shit like the last of us 2. Just because kratos was a piece of shit earlier his son needs to be the same. You are not your father. Nor atreus is kratos and this new kratos really shined as a father. The final message is amazing, redemption sometimes is giving our children the chamce to be diferent.
@@bomnitoperro9422 It would certainly be more depressing. Kratos would later ask for forgiviness from Atreus and tell him to "open his heart to it" during the Asgard assault scene.
Atreus wouldn't become evil-evil, he would probably be really conflicted and scared in the exchange with Kratos after the Sinmara situation. Atreus did all his manipulations and schemmings out of good intentions during the whole game, and he did also act out of emotion during stressing situations (both times he turned into Bjorn).
I guess they cut it because it's too controvertial for the mainstream public. The Boy of War manipulated a depressed woman into suicide. There's no good way to convince someone to join a loved one in death and make it marketable to the general public. lmao.
Atreus lying to get ragnarok feels more tragic than Surtr sacrificing himself for Sinmara. She died helping the ones who killed her husband, under the belief that Odin betrayed them, and Atreus doesn't show the slightest bit of pity. I'd say this was out of character, but he IS Loki after all, he has an inborn power to deceive and persuade, and his empathy wasn't going to get in the way of his revenge
I'd say this would be a better version of what they tried to portray in GOW 2018 and Kratos biggest fears becoming reality:Atreus walking the same path that he once did.
Kratos had his moments of compassion and empathy to others as well through the OG games but by the time of GOW3 he gave up on everything after almost everything was took from him and focused single-mindedly on revenge.
He chose revenge even over Pandora, who he had been forming a bond with.
Its heartbreaking to just imagine this situation play out from both of their perspectives.
Brok was one of the very few he would call friends and for good reason, that man never showed fear of him, did not see him as a monster and spoke the truth regardless of what others thought and there's no other scene that shows how much respect Kratos has for Brok than when he asks him to bless the draupnir spear "as a great blacksmith",in a moment where the blacksmith probably needed it most.
Brok also cared a lot about Atreus,he was that potty-mouthed uncle that nevertheless had your back,he offered to join Kratos in Helheim when he fell ill,he was glad to hear that Heimdall died because it meant that atreus would be safe and he stood up for him when 'Tyr' tried to take the mask that he earned.
Brok saw what others didn't and he got stabbed for his troubles.
And like Sindri I think Atreus also blames himself for it.
After all he did push searching for tyr and brough him to their home, just like Sindri called him out on(makes me wonder how they would take it if they found out the real tyr was alive...)and in his perspective there's no way to make things right other than taking out Odin by any means he sees necessary ("War is won by those who are willing to sacrifice anything"was also said by Kratos in GOW2018,maybe that also stuck), but Kratos knows better,he knows more than anyone the feeling of grief and how much he would regret his actions once he saw the end results. (that's probably one of the many reasons he protected Freya from Atreus too).
Maybe things could have been different.
But intent does not matter only consequences.
I'm sorry for rambling under your comment 😅 but it made me think.
@@crimsonflowerqueen5042 yeah id say if they had made the norse saga a trilogy they may even have taken that route. Leave an entire extra game to get atreus back on the right path for realreal. In 2 games they did it fine. I get the limitations
@@unclebobboomergamesfinally someone understands that it’s not their fault they were limited
The way I look at it is not the fact that this is really out of his character, but a different side of him that his father doesn't want him to be. It's the same thing with Kratos trying his hardest not to revert back to the old Kratos for the sake of his son. Even though Atreus & Loki are the same person, their ideals and persona are completely different. The Atreus his father wishes for him to be now by opening his heart is the total opposite of what Loki is in Norse mythology. The god of mischief and a cunning trickster. One who runs on chaos any chance he gets. Notice how, in the cut dialogue, Atreus considers what Kratos initially taught him about closing his heart and venegence the same thing. During Ragnarok, the term "open your heart" and justice are closely related making these two phrases polar opposites. So although this does go against his character now, there's still a part of him that he might have to fight against so he doesn't revert back to Loki or even become a full-fledged Loki in the future.
@@crimsonflowerqueen5042 Exactly. Kratos's biggest fear was seeing Atreus walk in the same path he did except he didn't realize his teachings, prior to telling him to open his heart, were leading his son straight to it. Even when he didn't want to tell him about his godhood, this in turn is what made him ill. Kratos told Atreus to close his heart because that's all he was used to himself. There was no way Kratos could open his heart to people's sufferings since this would've directly handicapped him into feeling bad for the people he killed in order to seek venegence against both Ares and his father Zeus. Closing your heart and venegence are closely related to Atreus and he felt he must do whatever was necessary, hence why he lied to Sinmara. Now Kratos telling him to open it instead is where the shift happens.
Unfortunately in future games, this might cause Atreus to go through internal conflict later on in the story the same way Kratos tried his hardest not to revert back to the old Kratos from Greece. Atreus might later on revert back to the Loki his father didn't want him to be.
I realised if this was kept in, it would make the first interaction between Atreus and Heimdall infinitely better because it proves Heimdall’s thoughts about Atreus true. “You want to manipulate and lie to get whatever you want” with him lying to Sinmara about Odin killing Surtr and “I watch your mouth move and I see cities burning” being Sinmara becoming Ragnarök and burning Asgard.
Yeah. It also connects to the scene during Ragnarok where Kratos tells him to open his heart, as well as Thrud calling Atreus out for bringing Ragnarok to Asgard (and him saying "I made some mistakes"). It's surprising how much is bookended just from a small segment like this.
well... Atreus practically does that right after Heimdall's death when he returns to Asgard, he lies to Odin's face about whether he knows anything about it, but he plays dumb, and Odin goes along with the lie so as not to give away his disguise as Tyr, and later does the same with Thor in Niflheim, trying to persuade him not to destroy him and almost wanting him to rebel against Odin, otherwise Thor would not say that he "almost convinced him" in their fight. I understand that doing the same thing to someone who is not on Odin's side would add spice to Loki's mischievous personality but I'm not so sure they want to do that with this version of Loki.
The thing that Atreus said to Kratos about “wanting Odin dead, and everything he’s built burned down” from what was happening at that time I think it would have made SO much more sense if it was *Sindri* who said that to Kratos. Considering that’s what literally was on on his mind and carried out the deed.
And in the end he is the one who ended up finishing Odin with his own hands
「If we think abt it, yeah, but considering how much Odin has messed around with Atreus (invading his home, basically being the reason father would die, causing so much suffer for the ppl around him, tricking him and even killing one of his closest friends), Atreus would be pretty much fed up with Odin, Imo」
Oh! Now that you say that, what if SINDRI had lied to her about Odin killing Srytr! That would’ve fit even better. Get his true revenge on Odin AND be the one to make the kill on him
That’s what I was also thinking when I was trying to process all of this.
@@kisoul I'm pretty sure if that course was taken, it would be a further source of conflict between Sindri and Kratos, Atreus, Mimir, and Freya.
Kratos especially, since he used to have the mindset of doing whatever it took to achieve his revenge, consequences be damned.
For Atreus, a confrontation with Sindri in that route might play out similarly to the confrontation between Dwalin and Thorin in The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies.
For Freya, I'm certain there would be much more anger towards Sindri due to his machinations acting as a wild card in the prophecy and possibly making Freyr an unnecessary casualty.
Mimir might express disappointment in Sindri's deception, possibly going so far as saying that Brok would be very ashamed of his brother.
This would’ve made Kratos’ “Open your heart to it” speech more meaningful, realizing his way was wrong and how it effected Atreus
agreed. Better ties the dialogue outside the gates of Asgard back to the rest of the story.
They really ruined it.
Yeah that part makes so much sense now.
I personally like how we get dark atreus but kratos already walked that path so hes able to reason with atreus
I glad he didn't
I really felt that after Brok’s death, the climax was incredibly rushed. You immediately get Surtur and commence Ragnarok all in the span of 2 hours. I believe the final act needed another 2 hours to feel more satisfying.
Yep going to see surtr and get his primordial flame should of been a more in-depth mission not just a cut scene “oh these will work and stab here” seeings it was such a important part of ragnarok fusing surtr and his love together to create ragnarok but nah , on the other hand we got a big hand holding mission with fake Tyr just to look at groa’s mural 🤦♂️
To me, this game felt like it had really odd pacing. It's a rather long game, by series standards at least, and it spends a good chunk of it building up to Ragnarok, yet when it actually comes down to it, it really does feel like it's over and done in a flash. I suppose something like Ragnarok wouldn't necessarily have to be a long event but... Idk. Something about the fact that we just straight up run in there, fight a few enemies, then Thor, then Odin, and that's that... Idk. Didn't feel right.
I felt something akin to whiplash because lemme tell you, there were a few points along the main story when I thought "oh Christ get on with it...." but then when we get to Ragnarok I was like "woah woah hold up that's it??"
I hear this time and time again but I feel like any amount of "questiness" to what you do after Brok's death feels like it detracts from any of the emotional impact that's happened. Why do we need another 5 hours before we go to Ragnarok? It's bad enough we have to fight a half hour to get to Surtr, and then another half hour to leave Muspelheim. Surtr already knows we're on the way....a long dragged out quest line just to see Surtr would have just diluted the emotions we were feeling in the moment.
No it was exactly the time to reach the end. They spent enough time showing the characters in shock and from it. They had to engage the finale or the shock of broks death would have faded especially in regard to sindris part in the story.
It was rushed in order to compete with the Game Awards. Originally the game should’ve come out in March like every other GoW game.
I kind of like this because it depicts how far gone Atreus is after Brok's death and makes his call back to "close your heart to it" towards the end of the game more cemented. This also explains why the "Ragnarok" model had slightly feminine facial features
I mean its still a sort of imperfect combination of Sinmara and Surtr so being like a hemaphrodite type being like in some myths kind of works
Sure, but remember Atreus is also told to open his heart to it in the end.
@@Paradox-es3bl that scene wouldnt exist if this was the original plot to it
@@Paradox-es3bl Yes it does and while it's ok as it exists now I think it would of had a greater impact if we saw Atreus actively closing his heart prior to this scene
@@vegitasama7633 I think it still would, the moment would just have a larger impact, if we saw Atreus actively closing his heart
I can’t wait to see what kind of Loki Atreus will become.
I feel like adult Atreus will constantly be bouncing back and forth in doing “what’s right” from Kratos’ mentoring and also doing “whatever it takes” to accomplish their objectives.
Atreus will go through what he father went through and I can't wait to see it.
I think the next game is going to be about him looking for other giants while growing into an adult version of Loki, while Kratos is on his own journey discovering a new place to conquer and reside, there will be many,many more theories over the next couple of years
Sounds awful honestly.
@@zedthree8272 yeah, pretty sure he's gonna have his own "the destroyer of worlds moment"just like his dad,he's gonna go down the same route and then find peace (maybe),it will be greek kratos all over again but with atreus,and that's where athena will come in.
@@dearingrogers2785 whatever those theories may be,I just wanna see the destroyer side of kratos one last time,cause then,it would be epic af,just like in gow 3.
I don't know that 1 hour with Atreus collecting fruits could have been avoided
what a stupid decision to cut this and leave that in lmao
@@abear2874 i love the game but i agree why 1 hour getting fruits?
honestly, i thought i was bored of the game on my second playthrough when i got to that mission again, but once i finished i realized it’s simply just so fucking boring and doesn’t even move the plot along a ton
@@TheVextorX2 its a moment of bonding with angrboda , thats it , lets just be thankful that there are enemies at all in iron wood , imagine if it was ALL just a walking section 😬
What??
The reason why Sinmara is given credit was yes she has a voice actress . However at one point in time if you go to where Sinmara could be found , you hear her crying . So she is still in the game
Haha I looked for her for sooo long now I understand why I couldn't fine her lol
@@i.hate.this.handlebs yeah i thought it was strange to only hear her cry, i really thought we would see her and have some sort of interaction. was disappointed it was just that, but i see now that it wasn't meant to be just that
@@edelleaa i hope someday they'll add it as a add on
I thought finding the 48 ravens would unlock some door to her, I searched for her too
Yeah I went back to Niflheim to explore and she’s got a good few minutes of crying that plays.
I like that there’s a chance you could’ve gone to either surtr or Sinmara and either of them can sacrifice themselves for you bc the blades of chaos has primordial fire in them and the leviathan axe has some kind of frost magic in it that can probably function just as the blades of chaos did for surtr?
I'm actually not sure if its ever been said that the Leviathan Axe has any sort of Primordial Ice in them. Otherwise, I'm sure Sinmara would've done the same thing to them as Surtr did for the Blades of Chaos. And yeah, it would've been interesting if there was this choice of going to Surtr or Sinmara for help, and either one could sacrifice themselves and fail, only to get the other to help for one reason or another.
@@StargazerZ99 The Leviathan Axe doesn't have any primordial ice in it. In GOW 2018 Sindri says the axe was imbued with the echoing screams of around 20 Frost Trolls
@@jetstreamsam99
They could have added a Secret Power Up for the Axe
But in my opinion they should have done so that the First one you chose Fails
So you need to take the Heart and go to the Other (so even if the Axe doesn't have Primordial Ice it isn't needed as Sinmara is bounded to die if Kratos tries to replace the Heart with the Axe)
IMO they can still do it
They make 2 Power Ups
1)A Rune called Surtr's Blessing
If you have it and go to Surtr then you get the Cutscene where He is able to become Ragnarok without Sinmara but if you don't have it then Surtr would die and then Kratos & Atreus would go to Sinmara
Or you could get the Other Power Up that could be called
2)Sinmara's Blessing or something and with it you could go to Sinmara but differently from Surtr she has only one outcome where she dies
They could even do a Secret Option where You/Kratos can make Surtr & Sinmara merge without the Replacement Hearts thing
Or even a more Secret One where both Surtr & Sunmatra fail to become Ragnarok so Kratos & Atreus collect both Hearts and find a way to make Ragnarok without them
In this chase Ragnarok would have 3 New Models
(1)Surtr Ragnarok
(2)Sunmatra Ragnarok
(3)SurtrSunmatra Ragnarok
(4)Neo Ragnarok
@@jetstreamsam99This is true. But Sinmara could’ve perhaps put her primordial magic into the axe?
I honestly like how Freya is not a hypocrite. She could’ve easily criticized Kratos but she knows that she would’ve done even worse things to achieve her goals. I was also happy that she never blamed them for Freyrs death even though it was clearly their fault. She truly matured.
Yo this is actually dope, it makes so much sense and actually makes the “open your heart” scene much better. I wish this was in the game, along with going back to svartalheim and helheim to speak to hraesvelgr
And if you see this comment can you tell me if there is any cut content for jotunheim? I thought it was weird we don’t go back before ragnarok to tell angrboda what’s about to happen
It's be cool to see this in a "what could have been" sort of window into another world
She knew what has happening because she heard the horn, Gjallarhorn, going off and must’ve known what that sound was and all.
@@andrewpresley8676 oh I know that, just found it a bit weird. She could’ve been chilling and then “oh shit the war of the world is starting”. Also I just really wanted to be able to see younger jormungandr up close again before he gets sent back
It would never make the final cut. Boy of War convinces depressed goth-chick into suicide. Atreus fucks up hard and has to deal with this shit forever. Like Kratos does with literally everything from his past life.
@@ayoCC Perhaps with the evolution of AI, everyone will be able to generate their own version of Ragnarok.
If you dont think SSM knows their stuff, think on this. Sinmara/Sinmora is only mentioned in 1 single poem/writing. Her name is said only 3 times, iirc. Tho she is eluded to being the "wife" of Surtr in the poem, some believe that Sinmora's full name actually eludes to her being wife of Mimir. The fact that SSM took a character that largely is unknown, from such a crazy obscure source, is fuckin awesome. They take their liberties, but they sure do know their shit.
Well said, it's clear that the liberties Santa Monica made when making Ragnarok were very intentional and not for lack of research. Some people say using obscure mythological characters is just a way to project original characters in them, but considering Sinmara didn't really receive many traits that weren't already in the poem besides her role in Ragnarök, I think the game really does deserve credit.
They cut it & reduced it all to weeping in the background. So idk if its all that awesome in the end lol. The thought of it is amazing, but its cut gameplay, we’ll never actually experience it ourselves. Went through the whole process of giving her lines, a VA & a character model. Im a little irritated because they chose too cram 2 games into one, so they should’ve just loaded it all onto us.
Except their Old Norse pronounciation, grammar and spelling (in runes as well).
While this alternate take is interesting, I'm glad they didn't go this route as to not undermine Atreus' character growth. While his name is LOKI he is indeed a very different one form previous interpretations of the lore. Lying to manipulate others would have been something he'd do if he followed the prophecy as written and served Odin. The whole point of this story though was that our choices determine our fate and changing those choices changes our fate. By choosing to "be better" He completely changed what means to be Loki, similar to how Kratos has changed to become a revered God of the people.
Except that Lokis description ,in the books,has nothing to do with Odin ,he is simply what he is .A trickster ,a liar and schemer.
Its almost the same in the game, we saw signs of that in Atreus even before he met Odin.
Its just that we are seeing the story by a different angle that makes him looks justified.
The only good thing about this part of the story being cut is the fact that IF they had used it , Surtur amazing sacrifice and Freyr death would be for nothing and the angle on Atreus being a liar and a manipulator would make him a less sympathetic character.
Lol Atreus was such a trash character
Changing your fate is something the game preaches but don't forget that in the end most things turn out how it happened in the original myth. Changing fate is something that characters can bounce to and from to sweeten the plot and keep it unpredictable but justified.
He's still an impulsive manipulative liar.
this is the loki that came to be thanks to kratos. he would have become that loki if kratos perished. and faye could not abide.
I think it would've been a lot cooler if Surtr imbued his fire into Kratos' blades, and Sinmara her frost in Kratos' axe so that Kratos would've become Ragnarok himself.
Agreed
Facts! Agreed 💯🔥🧊🐉!
That’s some really interesting dialogue. I for one thought Atreus didn’t really learn a lesson from Brok’s death, it didn’t feel as impactful to him as it should’ve besides the initial shock. So him being consumed by silent rage to the point of lying to a primordial entity is a very interesting concept.
Especially since Kratos allowed it, I feel as tho it sets a bad example for Atreus. If the developers wanted to double down on what Heimdall said about Atreus leaving cities in ruin I feel as tho this would’ve been the perfect set up. Show how his mind has the early stages of “the ends justify the means”.
But if it did end on this and Atreus still left I feel as tho it would leave a mildly sour feeling in the player, as tho these two whole journeys were for nothing if Atreus left on a bad or worrying note. So I see why they went with a far safer, less controversial and more wholesome ending. But I must admit, the leaving Atreus on a worrying note would’ve been quite the interesting ending.
Would’ve made a god of mischief sequel with him in another mythology way more interesting, just for the fact he already left on a sour note
@@burnermansam7588 But again, the whole lesson in the game was to choose your own path. Just because some dumb prophecy said he would become Loki the Trickster, doesn't mean that's honestly what Atreus himself wants. And like he said. There is always a choice. He just wants to do right by his parents, his friends, and his people. He chose to be better, to be better than a trickster, or a monster. He chose to be the best version of himself.
@@squashmallow2006 he could still choose his path & act like loki. Im sure future games he’s gonna cause hella mischief because like kratos said “loki will go, atreus will stay”. & no the whole shtick with atreus was feeling for his enemies. Thats where they subvert fate, the moment kratos says “i was wrong, feeling is who you are let NOONE take it from you”. He still continued to lie like loki & cause ragnarok like loki. Im speakin purely on a god of deceit, lies & mischief loki. Which would’ve been shown if they decided to keep the cut content with him lying to sinmara.
I feel like they should've done a good balance of the 2. Atreus is walking that fine line between who he was and who his father was. Wouldve made for an interesting dynamic. Broks death was the first time atreus had to deal with consequences that had a negative impact. It seems they just chose to make sindri the bitter and angry person which is effective in it's own way but atreus doesnt feel much after confronting sindri
Yeah the ending of Atreus leaving wouldn’t be nearly as emotional
They have all the time to show atreus’ other side, they really shouldn’t shove it here
I wish that this was still in the game. I felt like surter and sinmara needed to be reunited again and laying them to rest in the spark of the world would have been satisfying. Makes sense why there is so much to explore in niflheim but most of it is inaccessible. I get that they didnt want to drag it out but im good with what we got. Unfortunate but its all good
This is very frustrating especially when you realize that this is definitely only one of many rushed and underdeveloped parts of this game.
Im shitty asf, simply because after that ironwood shit i would’ve been okay if other sequences did carry on a little bit because… its the last damn game! The fact they even gave her a character model, a whole questline, voice dialogues tons of mentions & importance, just to delete it all & reduce it to a endgame background weeping is a little upsetting. The whole thing about finding their hearts after ragnarok would’ve been absolutely perfect for endgame content. Im actually a little triggered that they did cut all of this
No it's not.
It's good they cut this nonsense.
We don't know anything about sinmara in the mythology.
Some think she was Surtr's wife. .others think she was Mimir's wife.
Some think she is Hel herself, since she is a blue giantess.
I don't mind how they warped the story a bit but still got the same result, with Surtr bringing Ragnarok alone and killing Freyr.
But changing that? No.
Killing Surtr, having sinmara, a random giantess that the prose Edda says nothing about, bringing Ragnarok and killing Freyr? That's just complete made up nonsense that doesn't follow ANYTHING of the Norse mythology.
Really goddamn glad they cut this awful stuff.
In fact i wish they didn't even include Sinmara at all. Just have Surtr be super mad about Freyr, wanting to kill him, and so they kinda mention that he would be there so he helps them.
that leading to the last part where he attacks them all, mad that they tricked him, so Freyr sacrifices himself to save them.
@@kato093 My dude, appealing to accuracy to myth is a hopeless endeavor for God of War. Be it Greek or Norse, neither is presented with accuracy. If you came away from C.E.Odin and thought they only bent some of the myth? You're way off mark.
And making this game's internal story more sound is far better than trying to stick to myth accuracy for a game that didn't bother to be accurate so far.
@@burnermansam7588 It's a 50 hour game, at some point you HAVE to cut something.
No its not. Take that reddit-borne rubbish somewhere else. This was cut out because they didnt want it in the game. There are zero telltale signs of the game being rushed and every sign of it being refined and toned to deliver what was intended.
This didnt make the cut cause it made things needlessly convulated. The context and scenario where things get rushed are very different. Like a certain someone your statement "doesnt weld together true"
I always thought the ending just kinda happened too easily.
Wow, great find! The whole progression after meeting Surtr and leading to Ragnarok did feel a bit off, so it makes sense that there was cut content here. I am bummed though to learn that Janina was involved in this project, only to find her part was cut.
This would have been GREAT
But I think they made the right call cutting it. It would have made the kratos-atreus relationship strained once again and undone the emotions they showed in helheim and the "Loki will Go atreus remains" scene would not have hit as much.
Also, I think the blades thing made sense as well and it was actually the thing that broke prophecy.
I would've really liked to see this in-game. It completes the arc more fully when the Midgardians were put in the path to die and Kratos ends up saying "Open your heart to their suffering, that was your mother's wish." I actually feel like it's really important for that moment. It had weight already but this makes it better
Omega! This is huge! Trying to reach out and use some of these assets while giving you credit and linking back to this video - don't wanna do that until you confirm. :D
Do it VGS
Wow, this was very interesting to watch. Great finds man, keep it up!
Yo that ai voice killed it xD i thought that was a real voice actress
yes crazy
The ai stuff scares me dude
I’m gonna be honest, I am very glad this didn’t happen. I wish we had more time exploring Surtr and Sinmara, but this was definitely not the way to do it.
When Ragnarok was about to destroy Asgard, I thought it would be a perfect foe for Kratos to end the game in a high note. Kratos would be more than able to stop Ragnarok, and that fight's scale would've been a nice callback to the old GoW games.
Maybe she might appear in the third part sequel of the norse mythology of god of war phase 2 norse mythology along with other characters who didn’t have they’re opportunities to be in the game such as Ymir, Kvasir, Idun, Vidal, Njord, Hodr, Bragi, Ullr and Hela
This would've been a great addition, if you asked me; to see the storyline of surtr and sinmara get fleshed out after ragnarök.
Man this is actually emotional 💔
Amazing video!! I would like to see the dialogue between Hels bird and Freya's Boar. In the main game, they talk about Hels Bird wanting to retire and be replaced. I was wondering if the cut dialogue has information on who would replace it.
Well it kinda alludes to one of Loki's children, Hel who does indeed end up being the hades of the norse underworld
This is my my personal canon now. That was what I missed during the game, especially Kratos fighting Ragnarök. After Chronos he surely knows what he would have to do but here we are, appreciating ypur work on this. Thank you!
That's understandable. However, the biggest issue is that it ends up ruining Atreus' character arc.
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444it absolutely ruins his character arc lol
It also ruins the scene with him leaving at the end
@@anselmopat4985 Yeah. And then the entire fandom would have been split up over the ending.
@@anselmopat4985 I'd argue it improves it. It made no sense how much better of a person Atreus suddenly becomes. He needed something bigger, especially after those dream sequences showing possible trauma. It just vanished into nothing, and all he wanted was to do what was right. Just lighten the dialogue and it works wonderfully.
It's certainly interesting, and really fleshes out the last few hours of the game. I think ultimately why it got cut was because of the way Atreus is written during the Niflheim segment. I understand in this particular moment he would have been, like Sinmara as Ragnarök, irrational and grieving but this almost hatred of Odin is still very out of character, especially for so late in the game. They probably just cut that section entirely and stitched the part where Ragnarök actually works on to the beginning of the questline where Surtr was intended to fail. The fact they got so far as to design and render Sinmara, cast and record her, indicates it was fairly deep into development when these concepts were cut.
Ultimately I think the characterization of Atreus still being willing to forgive Odin, after everything, was worth an extra hour or two of gameplay we lost.
If you return to Niflheim during the epilogue you can hear Sinmara sobbing in the distant. It almost seems fitting given her entire presence was cut from the game. Poor Janina Gavankar.
The AI nailed Sinmara's voice she reminds me of sister friede from dark souls
I actually am friends with one of the people that worked on the new god of wars, there’s a cut post credit scene of Athena talking to the other god of wars. Egyptian, Japanese, and celtic I believe talking about how kratos is a threat to all the gods.
If they are going to integrate the cut content for future DLC, Sinmara could be the next boss, and after we defeat her, we found Surtr heart, then went to find Sinmara's heart, and laid them together in the spark of the world.
They said there won't be any DLC.
@@SeriousDragonify it’s too bad. I think if they were planning that route, they should’ve locked off more to post-game. I basically did 90% before the end and wondered what the point of it was. What’s there is great, but I wish I saved The Crater.
@@paddington2063 They missed a lot of contents.
Forseti and Nanna are mentioned but never shown.
Whole point of Ragnarok was crap.
@@SeriousDragonify
@@SeriousDragonify there's always a few edgelords who will overly focus on the smallest of negatives to confirm their bias while they whinge about such small things.
I think they cut the whole atreus lying because it kinda contradict his development and he's a kid too and still naive with lying, he'll probably be that way as an adult though were he lie and deceive people to get what he wants
Yeah
possible he might be more like the personality of loki from the mythology
Ironwood imo was dragged on for too long and some of that could have been cut to make room for Ragnarok preparation. Unfortunate
I love cut content vids I hope u do more of them on GOW RAGNAROK
Nice informative video I liked it very much!
I think it would have been a amazing if this was in the game it's shame that it wasn't it would have made more sense for Surtr side quest seeing Simmara and lie to her instead of Surtr just seeing Kratos blades and agreeing to help us start Ragnarok.
it always felt strange how we go to muspelheim and boom ragnarok right around the corner... literally. this makes so much more sense. sad that it was cut, i like this version much better
Wow! This is huge! Thanks for the effort in digging this. I hope they have some of this in the DLC.
God damn bruh this is definitely some juicy stuff! Loved it! Kudos to you for finding these
I think it would be really out of character considering his previous reckless actions like freeing Garm or thinking he's using Odin'would temper his better nature to be more dominant than that of the "loki" side.
Think of who they are here in similar circumstances, old kratos sacrificing things for vengence because he has nothing left is not the same as Atreus who still has his father and found family, alongside empathy toward Odin's madness and all that were roped to serving him. All of that would be a lesson in caution.
So tricking Sinmara to get a second Ragnarok when Surtr failed would be immensely out of character and meanspirited. Plus I can't really see how it would work either unless we get like two unstable Ragnaroks cause the chemistry of the energies are pretty much the same.
I don't think it's out of character. Seeing a presumably innocent wolf locked up and thinking he's manipulating Odin don't hold the same weight as one of his closest friends dying right in front of him because of his recklessness specifically. Seeing him revert to/finally accept Kratos' lesson of "closing your heart to it" makes sense as he comes to terms that his heart has caused more damage than good at this point. In my opinion, this makes the moment where Kratos tells him to open his heart more impactful. Plus it lines up with Heims' prediction where he says that Atreus' words cause cities to burn.
I wonder if in NG+ there would be a choice you could make as Atreus in final chapter, wear that mask or not. Because that scene is portrayed with Kratos standing on the left and Odin and that spark on the right. That choice would be cool and would add a different ending.
I would love that
Why doesn't a lot of games make choices like these nowadays
@@mohabalserafe3795I think because of cost. To program, animate, voice act, render etc a whole other ending would have taken a lot more time and money they probably wouldn’t have been able to get. It would be so cool tho to be able to make a choice!
This... This made me realize that Loki in God of War is NOT the god of trickery like he was in mythology. He was not raised by Odin, by some of the most deceitful people in the game. He was raised to be caring. This is Loki before he was taught to trick people to get his way.
Dang, this game has a lot of great storytelling
You win my subscribe with your effort and hopefully many others
Amazing job restoring this! I'm pretty gutted to be honest that this was cut, would have made for an amazing addition to the story. Could I use the final cutscene in an upcoming video? Around the hearts? Full credit will be provided in the video and description directing people here :)
Not if I get to it first Wizzo! Last one there is a rotten egg?
@@VideoGameSophistry The race is on ;)
Excellent video! I def thought it was weird that we never found Sinmara during the story. I thought for sure she'd come into play somehow, just based on everything we learned about her, that type of character development often means that will appear at some point. So in the end, when she never appeared, I was sort of bummed that we never got to meet her... Although, that story Def would've made Freyr's death less meaningful to me, despite what Freya says about it in the cut content
Well researched my man. Excellent stuff.
i feel like there was a re-write around the helheim segment where kratos and atreus had a heart to heart where it didnt happen since that ended the "kratos distrust atreus" arc for this uncut content to happen
This makes so much sense! I thought it was weird that they say the spark is where Muspelhiem and Niflhiem intersect, but you can't actually go to Niflhiem from there in the game. It felt like a lost opportunity. I guess my intuition was right...
It'd be cool if you could choose your own path. Find Surtr or Sinmara.
Sometimes stuff like this is removed because it takes the characters in directions they don't want them to take. It happens a lot in tv series, movies and novels, where entire scenes and arcs are dropped because they don't represent what the creators want. Atreus' redemption during Ragnarok would not have been believable with this hanging over them. I imagine that if it had been integral to the story as they wanted to tell it, we would have actually gotten this in one shape or another.
False. SONY told the studio they didn't want a trilogy anymore so they forced what would have been two games into one and had to condense and rush through things. The third game would have settled these "directions they didn't want" before ragnorak and made it all end quite nice. Blame SONY for this. They want them to move on from Kratos and do Atreus/Loki stuff because they found a way to shove false propaganda into it.
@@Ravenbones Good thing I never claimed that was an absolute truth, so.... cool?
@@Ravenbones actually, Cory Barlog wanted two games, not Sony.
@@Ravenbones thats such a bullshit take, lol.
What a shitty take💀
Awesome video. Great work
Very interesting ! Nice job on making the video
Honestly I would’ve hated Atreus a lot more than I already do, I’m glad they got rid of him in the end
The game surely takes a speed upgrade in the third act. Things just seem to happen and you're like why?? What happened, did I miss something?
Woooh that “close your heart to it” would’ve hit so hard cuz I know that would’ve stumped kratos he wouldn’t know what to say to something that he’s told Atreus over and over throughout both games especially in the context of trying to manipulate someone’s emotions for atreus’ benefit
This only would've worked if they had leaned more into Loki trickster/manipulation traits.
As it stands Atreus is just a nice kid with the best intentions for everyone he meets so even for vengeance, at that point late in the game, it would've been too late for such hard of a shift in personality for me.
AI voice is killing it here. Even the tone in which Kratos speaks seems right for the occasion. I tried using Kratos AI voice once and it just alternates between calm narration and angry yelling.
What ai voice? He talks for Kratos and the last part of the video with finding their hearts was actual audio from in game
Sadly they said we won't get expansions or dlc, if anything we'll get ng+ and armors for free
Thank you for obtaining this with no invasive procedures ;)
Bro u did a great job u earned my sub
Eric Williams has confirmed there will be no DLC. He said everyone has put too much effort into this game. Unlike the predecessor which was cut a lot, he said this was cut lesser than before.
Thanks for finding this!
This is so good, nothing should be cut EXCEPT 1 hour long collecting fruits in Ironwood
Right so boring
Ah yes the most critical period of Atreus development where he establishes a real connection to his peoples culture, develops and harnasses his powers, gains his core motivation and galvanises the character growth he has been building.
@@tenjenk Still tedious to play. You can establish all that without riding a yak through a swamp for 30 minutes.
The thought that Ragnorok could return is a little scary considering Ragnorok is possibly the most powerful thing we’ve seen in the series. I doubt even Kratos can kill something that can destroy entire realms with one strike.
i love hidden hidden content !! thank you omega !!
Wow great find and great work. Thank you. That AI you found was incredible. What program was that?
It would be amazing fight with Ragnarök in the post game. But that's how it is. Thanks for this Omega, you are amazing
given how close Sindri and Atreus were I feel like if they killed him instead of Brok this ending could’ve worked
This makes a lot more sense with the end bit and Kratos’s “open your heart to it.” Speech with the Midgardians
amazing video ! thanks for the story !
This is DEFINITELY evidence of a last minute change in the story to the Surtr part late in development. Another thing this puts into perspective; in the scenes before and after Freyr confronts Ragnarök, he uses they/them pronouns for it (while this could just be him not assuming their gender, it’s probably actually written that way because Ragnarök was originally both Sinmara and Surtr).
Really interesting. I still think that my biggest gripe is that it's pointless to upgrade anything Atreus since he just leaves at the end of the game.
I was not expecting that at all. I was expecting something more like switching between active characters and companions. Like playing as Atreus and doing side quests with Freya or even Thor's or Angrboda. Hell have Kratos as the companion as well. Imagine the dialogue.
i mean its not like you dont acc play as atreus nor have him for the entire main story. It's worth it to upgrade his stuff for the main game while you have him. Its better this way- i get missing atreus after the adventures we have as him but for the sake of the norse pantheon to end he has to leave
I disagree that it's pointless, because you can still do most of the content in the game with him right before Ragnarok. Postgame exclusive stuff don't contribute much in terms of overall content.
Plus you play as him like the person above said
You end up with so many resources and so much money, it’s hardly a loss to upgrade him. Plus he has his own xp.
Maybe she might appear in the third part sequel of the norse mythology of god of war phase 2 norse mythology
Ragnarok is a long game but i think this cut content helps make Niflheim and Muspelheim have more impact on the plot instead of how they are treated like bonus areas in the first game
Fantastic report!!!
man wtf why did we had to spend almost 1 hour collecting FRUIT with Atreus but not get this???
exactly
different parts of the game, one doesn't directly affect if the other stays or get cut. Different meanings on the character and the franchise for the future.
They should've gone this way with the story because this actually represents who Loki should be, a chaotic character built on revenge. In the myth, he started Ragnarok because of how the Aesir treated him.
“Who Loki should be” is an argument that gets tossed around a lot but it looks like no one actually thought it out.
In Norse myth, Baldur is a god of joy, peace, and kindness, while GOW gave us a heartless sociopath.
Saying “well this is how Loki is in myth so he should be evil” is not the argument people think it is.
I always felt something was “off” with the Surtr moment, and this validates that feeling.
Actually I doubted there was something wrong with Niflheim quite early as the berserker there can’t be unlocked before the end of main story although the mark was on the map after the mask task.
It will be way better in the battle perspective imo if you can choose between Freya or Atreus for the Berserker, especially the King by doing before/after the Asgard fight.
I'm glad they didn't go that route. Sure, having Atreus experience the desire for vengeance would have added an interesting parallel to Kratos' story, but it's so out of character for him to feel that way considering everything he has gone through and learnt. It makes more sense to have Kratos experience vengeance once more when Brok dies. Vengeance is like a ghost that continues to haunt him, one that Kratos overcomes when he witnesses Atreus struggling to close his heart to the suffering of the Midgardians during the battle in Asgard.
Although it is interesting, I feel like adding in the extra content of Surtr and Sinmara's story only steers it away from where it needs to go.
The sad thing is that there was enough material for a trilogy, without a rushed ending and a proper Ragnarök.
Thank you Eric Williams very cool
Now now, Cory was actually the one who had the final say in making it just 2 games, not Eric.
Its not over yet guys... just the Norse mythology God of War is over...
I don't think they have enough material for the trilogy. The ending felt super rushed. We prepared so much for the war for like 20 hours just for it to be a simple skirmish under 30 minutes of play time. With this the ending may feel even shorter. Beside, Thor, Odin, Heimdall there were like no other gods to fight. If they had more material, the ending part may have been way longer.
Meanwhile the war on Olympus in GOW 3 needed an entire game to portray and it was done with perfect pacing.
@@KKKuma perfect pacing?what are you serious come on gow 3 is my fourth favorite gow game but the pacing wasn't perfect and the war was too short
Nice!
Great work
The other dimension that’s missing is the relationship between Sindri and Atreus. Sindri doesn’t know the depth that Atreus has gone to to avenge Brok. Wonder if that would have made a difference.
If we were to give the hearts BACK to the spark I would have thought that they would be revived. Not as Ragnarok, but Surtr and Sinmara.
You can find a petrified Sinmara that looks like a statue in Niflheim when you go back to defeat one of the berserkers going back. You can hear her sobbing.
This should of been kept. And finding their hearts as the post game mission with the real secret ending
Then the start of the 3rd game could of been the return of ragnarok during a time skip, and young adult Artreus (MC) finds Kratos fighting the beast (tribute fight to the original giant fights of the old trilogy), but dying in that fight to kickstart part 3. 2 things now occurs: that no matter what, one cannot cheat fate and 2, Arteus is indirectly responsible for the events that lead to this chilling moment. And have Ragnarok as a midgame big boss
I was wondering what more about sinmara would appear. I went to niflheim and there were voice lines of crying and mimir commenting on how it was probably her
I did feel the Surtr part was very …lacking or too easy. It was just: you meet Surtr, he tells you how to make Ragnarok, you walk down a hallway to do it, DO IT, then fight Valkyrie…done. Just felt anticlimactic.
Awesome video.
I'm glad they took this out. Would be a step back in Atreus' character imo
IMO the route they went with in the game felt more natural and more true to the character of Atreus instead of this alternate cut ending. So i would say they made the right choice by cutting this.
I believe they made a good decision to cut this. Coz at the end kratos hated this as he mentioned that killing Odin was not justice it's vengeance. And by allowing kratos it would seriously undermined his growth. Also the scene of not destroying Asgard while closing your heart to it really paid off well as we finally see them take the correct path the one kratos would never have considered before events of Ragnarok. Also the ending where he is worshipped by people would not be so effective and this would have tainted that which would be really sad