@@LarzangWell, you’re in luck because the devs envisioned them as gnomes. One of them (I think Mikkel?) said as much on a stream a while ago. I’d link it but I don’t remember which stream it was.
I think an even more hilarious situation would be the rivals were sent by DRG's upper management or as part of some kind of joint project but nobody at hoxxes got the memo with the required signal IDs and upper management has failed entirely to notice.
Due to space time shenanigans and distance the place they cake from advanced tech to automate the whome process but to DRG it happened in a few years and not hundreds haha
You probably still have time, their forcefield generators and claws have limited their movement speed, forcing em to rely on warping, lock and load. Get some flammable items and a lighter
I love that you worked the quirk of your BET-C voice pack mod into the patrol bot hacking lore! Now it makes total sense why they would introduce themselves as BET-C, despite being rival bots!
9:00 The problem with this is that air is actually an incredibly effective thermal insulator. In reality, this plating would provide significant protection against heat.
Little advice to set a nemesis on fire fast. Since a nemesis can't grab a dwarf inside a Gunner shield, a Gunner and a Driller using the heat radiance upgrade on the CRSPR can work together to set a nemesis on fire at point blank. Its even more ridiculous if the Gunner also has fire options.
If you don't have a gunner, the strategy might also work with an engineer with two LUREs. The nemesis will grab them both, and that might just keep its hands full long enough to burn it to death.
Gunner shield, Burning hell OC on minigun, Hot bullets, Inferno OC on railcannon, fire grenades, Sticky fuel OC os crisper and full heat build for MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.
Your story telling ability is absolutely unmatched! Know that your reports bring a lot of entertainment to otherwise rig-bound workers. It can be a lonely job in the more technical quarters of our orbit some days
one thing you forgot is the nemesis failsafe system you see when we dismantle one of those accursed machines it seems to send out a signal, a targeting signal for phase bombs that quickly arrive on scene and detonate removing any chance of recovering any of its mostly likely highly advanced components and also as one final shot to eliminate the ones who took it down
I've alwats wondered if it's doing that itself out of desperation or if that happens externally to destroy the remains of the Nemesis and its attackers whenever the signal goes out.
@@siirvend considering how her plating was somehow made to take things like grenades, bullets and even a supply pod to the top of the turret, the nemesis's claws weren't gonna do much to her. However i don't know if i can say the same for his force fields
@@siirvend hey, you said that patrol bots use a stripped down version of bet-c's targeting software right ? Well i just thought of something. Why not try using Bosco's targeting
One thing I was thinking of is maybe the Caretakers were assemble in orbit/on the surface, then "phased" into the caves using the same tech they use with the phase bomb?
I cannot stress how much more I NEED of content like this. I love lore but mixing lore with tips & tricks and doing it all in a sort of scientific documentary style video is great. So more of this please
So, going personal theory, the Glyphids ignoring the rival structures because they do believe them to be just native ore. Maybe thats why the Mules and Lootbugs are ignored as well: They are so full of the native ore that they just blend in for the bugs. And I mean, Glyphids have no eyes as far as I can see so they probably navigate primarily by smell. Great to find Miners, basically neglectable for most machinery, the exceptions being Pipes which have who-knows-how-many beard hairs in the connections, and Hacksy who is sitting with the R&D all day and takes on their distinct nerd-y-ness. Dorretta is probably only targeted because of the core, both her body and head are being neglected by the Glyphids... And company. I am somehow thinking the Miners shower more then the guys in the labs purely because the Miners are in the medbay so often and can not decline a shower.
I've heard some dwarves saying they believe the rivals to be elves, but I don't think that's the case. If the bots were gathering plants and wildlife data or were specifically stopping us from damaging the ecosystem, I'd believe it, but the bots show no interest in anything like that. Elves have no interest in gathering mass quantities of precious minerals, and I think that the only reason the rivals haven't done as much ecological damage as we have is because they're just scouting now. Plus, just look at them. Elf creations are all smooth curves and natural shapes, not hard edges and stark destruction. My guess for who the rivals are? DRAGONS. More specifically, kobolds working for dragons to increase their hordes. Kobolds can be just as crafty as dwarves, and they are known for improvising traps and gadgets with whatever they find lying around, just like the bot building themselves out of the planet's minerals. And, dragons are the only beings I can think of who rival the dwarves for love of precious minerals and gems, but they're also lazy, prideful bastards who prefer to laze around in their dens and let lesser beings do the heavy lifting for them: what better way to do that than autonomous robots? Even the fire weakness makes sense; can't let your minions try to overthrow you, and what better way to prevent that than making them weak to a dragons best weapon?
If it was THOSE kobolds then I'm gonna need to have a word with someone! (Theres a mod that replaces the voices if the Dwarves for kobolds as well as a mod that replaces the models btw)
@@siirvend I promise as a member of the Kobold Division I am not affiliated with the rivals what-so-ever. The rival frameworks just look cool and the shredders are one of the best grenades I promise that's the only reason
FYI, as of this comment; the driller’s new crisper overclock “scorching tide” takes out every robot (except the caretaker) if you can aim well. The nemesis can be a little bit more difficult due to the nature of the shields it produces. Most times it can take 2 shots, solely because of it blocking the shot with a shield.
Here's what i think. The rivals are self replicating bots of a type 3 civilization, sent to modify entire star systems to make them habitable. Hoxxes IV so happens to be the richest planet in the system, so naturally, bots will try to capture it, sending a scout squad to scan the minerals inside the planet, in case they find something useful to build a mega structure, like a dyson sphere/swarm. They are fully autonomous and probably have a mastermind center somewhere in the Hoxxes system, constantly getting data reports from the underground. Early data reports showed that the caves of Hoxxes IV are rich and infested with organics, but not just the Hoxxes ecosystem, also dwarves. For us, dwarves, rival's design seems flawed, but actually, it is just good enough to withstand planets ecosystem. As said in the video, rivals are not armed to counter dwarves with heavy weapons. Their armor is mostly built to counter kinetic damage, aka the damage type most of the animals rely on when the they try to attack something. Would explain why glyphids don't attack rivals, similar to lootbugs. Anyways, since the bots main purpose is terraforming and not combat, they had to adapt, improvise, repurpose. Therefore the nemesis was born. I am afraid that if we fight to much, rivals will reinforce, but if we don't, they will finish the data analysis and send in the workforce, with more troops to guard the mining equipment from dwarves, since we made it clear that we can be a thorn in their side. But even if we keep that balance, i am afraid for what awaits us if we stall for too long and the type 3 civilisation's ships arrive, leaving us no other choice but to surrender Hoxxes IV to them. *Miners! Work hard, mine all the minerals you see! Don't let those pesky robots get any of our stuff, and let's deplete Hoxxes IV of minerals before we are forced out. Let's starve those leaf lovers of resources, they shouldn't have messed with DWARVES. ROCK N STONE!*
a theory i have about the rockpox is that is might be a bioweapon of the rivals made to destroy/weaken the planet and its inhabitants. i think this as mission control did say during the season 3 assignment that "these seem to be almost deliberately striking Hoxxes". it's not a perfect theory but could be interesting.
That seems more to be a hint that the Rockpox has more of a mind of its own that you would expect from a disease, which seems to be confirmed by the plaguehearts forming into the corruptor in order to move and fight on their own. Also apparently all the rockpox meteors come from a comet passing through the system.
So excited to see you again! Glad to know Long Rockpox (... or the disinfectant fumes) haven't done you in, I was starting to worry a little. Now, I'm a sort who likes to consider himself a bit of a robotics nerd (... above many other topics). I, uh, couldn't actually apply that to a degree, which... is sort of obvious why I'm stuck in the same rig as you, and not assembling servitors or intelligent massage chairs anywhere nice. But! My point is, ever since these machines have dug in, I've been utterly fascinated with how they're put together (and how the Dwarves take them apart). I'd like to think I know my robotics, so here's some additional... conjecture, based on my own observations: - One theory I can't just drop is that we might have a Grey Goo scenario on our hands. It's entirely possible whatever autonomous infrastructure these machines originally *were* made for has been long forgotten: the entire network of machines is now one big, hungry, collective organism that answers only to itself. It's possible they've swallowed whole planets, if not entire star systems: a simple protocol for "survival & propigation" growing wildly out of control simply due to how fast machines can adapt, and how limitless the potential mechanical design is. They find a system, devour it, devote the last morsels for transport craft, and move on - or perhaps even spread, like a mechanical Lithophage asserting itself. - The shredder drones are absurdly efficient, it's honestly a little scary. Their "brains" are basically absent, offloading most of their processing and navigation to their Caretaker Network. They could be hacked because there simply was nothing *to* hack - hence the grenades! Yes, some "malicious parts" had to be cut out, hence why they... uh, rip themselves apart after a while, but it's really easy to just connect them to a handheld computer, like the ones Engineers are always using for their turrets. Obviously there's only enough remaining processing power left to handle a single swarm, hence why spawning a fresh one just... turns off the last swarm, but still. I don't think it'd be impossible to actually get these things to give someone a good shave. Silver lining, y'know? - No idea why the bugs just... ignore them. Sure, the lack of bulky batteries means the Xynarch won't try and eat their circuits, but even something as angry as a Slasher just... walks right by. The turrets don't even attack the bugs, either. It's almost comical, two of the worst enemies on this rock, and they're totally happy with each other's presence. It *could* be something to do with their phase warping not triggering tremors, and their overall composition just registering as "not food" to the bugs, but they attack *our* machines... I don't know if it's a coincidence or not. Could there have been initial surveys of biological data? And if so, why didn't they seem to notice us? ... Did they get the data for this place before we even showed up? - The Nemesis seems to further my theory that the Rivals are one big emergent entity: its their first devoted counterattack against the Dwarves, and despite being highly specialized, it's... faulty. It's attacks are (mostly) recycled tech on present units. The claws are super-similar to the ones on the Caretaker Platforms, but specialized to crush and maim, removing the laser emitter for a much stronger magnetic actuator (and also, y'know, putting blades on the claws itself). The rest is just the machine making use of knowledge the Rivals have "learned" about the only threat actually present: the Dwarves. What they say to garner attention, mostly. And the ultra-violent, one-track-mind AI onboard just aids it in its specialized goal: the Dwarves are a present threat, eliminate them. Like an immune system or something. I'd characterize an antibody with the same level of vengeance - utter obliteration of its assigned target. - ... The real terrifying thought is just how intelligence-based their efforts are. They didn't expect us (and, potentially, the Lithophage). Really, the only true "killer" is the Nemesis, and it's... rare, clunky, and only dangerous up close. We're really just dealing with scouts and surveyors, and their (semi) recent attempt to confront us. If and when we see their actual soldiers... that thought gives me chills. Giant resource extractors, huge swarms that could give the Glyphids a run for their money... Either the Rivals are going to learn *how* to manufacture a better solider, or call in one, or *both* , and I don't know which one I'd prefer. (Though, witnessing an entire mechanical "ecosystem" at full force would be amazing... if it wasn't so eager to vaporize us.) - And yes, the Lithophage seems to have them... wary. I'm much more of a roboticist by passion than a biologist, so I don't know if the Lithophage could convert the same nano-alloys that compose the Rival's hulls, but... actually, I should stop there. The visual of an infected Caretaker is too horrifying to imagine, especially if CHX4 could actually learn how to manipulate electronics as well as it does organic nervous systems. Eugh. ... Actually, if they are an independent intelligence... maybe the meteor impacts scared them? Even a Caretaker wouldn't fare well with one of those dropping on them. They're panicked, like an animal hearing a gunshot. Once they collect themselves, maybe we'll see more of them again. That, or they're already plotting some sort of... "next phase", and I'm just being optimistic. Otherwise, thank *you* for such a concise summary! (Never would have even thought about their hull composition factoring in for their heat weakness.) I apologize for such a lengthy response, but these contraptions and their designs really do just fascinate me. I'd almost describe their designs as "artansial" if, y'know, they weren't as violent as the bugs. Point is, your appearances are always a treat, thank you for (hopefully) reading my own nerdy babbling, and I'm very interested in seeing you next time. :D
About why bugs don't attack them, I suspect that rivals simply don't send vibrations into ground All of our equipment they attack (Doretta, pipelines, dwarves) send some sort of vibrations which attracts bugs Although, I don't know if hacksy makes any vibrations.... Probably it's just gamer noises that attract them Besides that, rivals are machines, so it's obvious they don't emit pheromones, thus not being visible to glyphids unlikely to dwarves About the rest, I love those theories I kinda don't want to meet infected nemesis myself, or real soldiers of rivals. But we are dwarves, and we will defeat them with rocks and stones!
I'm absolutely on board with the independent mechanical organism theory too! I loved the way you out it in terms of the Nemesis being an antibody type manifestation in response to us meddling. It just makes sense that the Rivals would be a learning entity capable of utilizing found materials and adapting on the fly to create new units as needed depending on the environment. Scary thought that they could have already used up entire star systems already before they found the Hoxxian system. Would explain why they're so unprepared right now, its likely the other places they've been have been cold barren rocks. Fun stuff to think about. Also you got scarily close to my theories on the hacked shredders in my Engie throwables script haha
On top of my first Nemesis encounter giving me PTSD. My friend commented that I seem to be getting a lot more nemesis spawns than they do. Also, the voice line for when I narrowly defeated that first nemesis encounter was “Why couldn’t we be friends” I think they’re tracking my IP address. A n d t h e y c a n s e n s e f e a r
Thanks once again for your contribution to DeepTube. Geological Survey and Supervision thanks you for the update on the Rivals, and a proper explanation on why we don’t have more stolen survey data. A fellow from R&D with a degree in metallurgical science does want to nitpick a bit. I’ll let him on the recording. (off mic) _lemme just shuffle over…_ “Alright, so here’s the deal. The patterning on the Rival tech’s metal components is actually rather interesting. Given that these are all-terrain, all-temperature systems, they need some pretty unique convection techniques to properly vent heat out of their cores. What you’re seeing there is actually an extrusion of their circuits, which are very… Efficient with spatial use. The core of the machine is actually dedicated to battery storage since the Caretaker net only recharges in bursts for efficiency, as well as comms equipment to maintain connection. This is very juicy stuff, and the specific energy storage medium, one of my buddies told me, is actually a super-concentrated form of battery acid, since it’s rather easy to synthesise from existing geological samples. This acid, however, is extremely flammable, so the fire weakness comes from the thin slats of metal (which as before are direct cooling from the circuits) getting hot and passing it to the battery core, which overheats and explodes. Still, you got a good part of it right.” Thank you, Bill. (off mic) remember to get me the two-pack, OK? Now here’s the thing. Hoxxes IV is not very rich in silicon, at least from our survey data, so whatever blasted bots decided to drop stuff on our turf are gonna run out of computing strata eventually. They’ll use stuff like germanium to make it go further, but assuming that they came here under the assumption that Hoxxes had enough to keep themselves going, if we keep busting up the bots and (crucially) taking their data storage media, eventually they won’t have silicon to make computers with, and will kinda just fall apart. Now, that will take a monumental effort from the ground teams, but it’ll happen eventually. One more thing. We’ve had boatloads of data to sort through ever since the Rivals started prospecting for us, and that means that theoretically, we _could_ get a proper map of Hoxxes online, send down a superior force, and just establish a fortress while we pull motherloads of Nitra and Morkite outta the floor, but the Creature Studies wing of R&D did raise a fairly good point. If they’re making Dreadnoughts just because we’re doing expeditions, they’ll make Queens to break the fortresses. And Management wants this to go easy. We do not want to bring the forsaken mess that is a Queen back out of the Hives. That’s all for now. GSS thanks you again for the information.
If we could reserve engineer their systems well enough we could do much more than simply archive partial information from the data cubes/racks, I'm sure management would like that. That's why I think they're extrasolar or even possibly extragalaxtic, the tech makes sense but is still very alien to anything were used to seeing in this wing of the galaxy, especially this far out but you can't rule out uncontacted entities at this point even within the galaxy.
It looks like someone decided to go ahead with the fortress plan and built some for EXPENITE harvesting in the core. Given that special rifts, corespawn crawlers, and core stones are showing up in our caves, I think whatever was down there is way worse than queens.
I'd like to add I go nuts for all the lore about why stuff works the (weird) way it does. In this case the BET-C targeting protocol being inefficient, frying the bots over time😂👌
there are a some hints that the Rivals hate the dwarfs and DRG, like in the S.S.G Grenate of the Engineer. The descripion says that the shredders have "unnessecary malicious parts". and that you can use that to make 5 shredders of it, or the engis S.S.G
I've heard the Nemesis in my first few encounters with it say: "Time to die Dwarf!" After being defeated. "I've seen things you wouldn't believe!" After being deveated. It was genuinely foreboding to hear. X3
Perhaps the (possible) artifical intelligence isnt just in the Nemesis but infact in all the bots. Perhaps in their need to adapt and improve to survive they've mimicked us, possibly causing an awakening. They seem to like shiny things going off the death rattle of the Nemesis talking about stars and our shiny Bet-c. I gotta lay off the Smart Stout...
Never forget the moments where Mission Control somehow manages to bulls-eye a Nemesis with a minehead or refinery. He may have a cozy job, but damn is he a good shot when he feels like it.
@@gustavwood0064i definitely like this theory. he likes the classic, hates the zhukovs with no personal opinion on any other guns. therefore, he probably has experience
Either I have drunk one too many rounds at the Abyss Bar or I encountered a super rare Rival, but I swear on Karl's grave when I first encountered the Nemesis on a Deep Dive it was like a giant mechanical worm, multiple segments that flow as a line through the air in unison like a snake seeking it's pray I have reported the sighting to DRG but the management and Ryan dismissed it as me getting too drunk even tho 8 rounds in a row is barely anything troubling and I had a clear mind during the dive Resulted in Ryan forcing me to have double the Nitra for a resupply and him also banning Lloyd from serving me any beer for next couple missions, disrespectful for my overtime on past missions Haven't encountered that thing since, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rivals would be preparing their next batch of bots while we fight the Rockpox, who knows they might just be upgrading the Caretaker facilities that are still left to make them more deadly, or repairing the failed ones cuz DRG never goes into the same cave twice It'll be even worse if they'll find a way to further weaponize Rockpox with like steroids or some some other fiendish tech
@@siirvend great to hear, I like how instead of just spread sheeting you actually put some personality in the video as it helps keep attention and makes the videos entertaining on their own not just informative, in terms of drg you are by far my favourite and I can't wait for the future videos, including the grenade ones for the scout and engie especially as well
My theory on the Nemesis' strange way of talking even in death is due to where at least I suspect it came from, it is in my belief that the rival company has found and captured Karl who had been spending his time after abandonment wandering the caves of Hoxxes harboring a bitter resentment for DRG a resentment he didnt fully agree with, it was a resentment that had been festering in the back of his mind nonetheless especially seeing how DRG was throwing dwarven lives to the wayside for their own financial gain, eventually being found and captured by the rival company and after probing his mind for any information that could be used to defeat DRG decided to manipulate his complicated feelings towards his former employer and mining brethren and exploit it for a new weapon intended for hunting down and exterminating DRG mining teams and who else better than a renowned greybeard? The rival company digitizing his consciousness and shackling it to the network responsible for controlling all Nemesis platforms on Hoxxes and though the firewalls designed to keep Karls mind contained has proved effective as of the current date it has been noted the Nemesis taking on Dwarven mannerisms both new and old
Would explain why the voice is a dwarf but sounds slightly different from our dwarf in game. If it is Karl's resentment digitized into an AI copy, that's basically just the world's worst Glass Door review lol
It does feel like we were just at the tip of the iceberg with the rivals. The fact that some other faction sent these bots purposely to scope out the area makes me think it's not the end of things. The rockpox might be an accidental thing in comparison. I don't think the rivals anticipated this inorganic consuming virus would appear and why they went deeper. Can you imagine what kind of shit would happen if that virus gets into their circuits? I don't want shredder with rockpox swarming us dwarves. And this does make me wonder with this new update. The new crawlers are said to be DEEP in Hoxxes. Deeper then we ever thought. And if the rivals went deeper, will we see more bots in Rogue Core? What are we about to find that might explain the weirdness of the planet and possible residents? Cause ain't no way these bugs missed out on some humanoid entity and not try to wipe them out.
On Engi, Shard difractor is generally your best bet for dealing with most bots and especially sniper turrets, just use make sure to use the heat mod. Fatboy will usually be a waste of ammo on these enemies unless you’re using it to hit all 4 vents on the caretaker
Incredible video! Really like the theories. Id like to share my own if you dont mind. The rivals enter hoxxes via teleportation. Its how they spawn, they use phase bombs and teleportation is literally usable via the wormhole special beer. If it can be achieved via beer(albeit very unstable) then surely the tech is advanced enough to teleport rival fleets into the planet. Burst turrets mimic bet-c's firing pattern, no tracking. Like you said in the betc video, its designed to deal with threats that run in straight lines like the glyphids. The same goes for shield turrets and the bottom segment of the omen exterminator. This makes me believe turrets are designed to deal with the local wildlife and not dwarves who know to just step aside. Thats also explains why they dont do anything about the fire vulnerability, because its not needed against the primary target. The nemesis has 2 different voices. The voice to lure and when it dies are different from the one when it attacks. They also talk differently, "come and rescue me!" compared to "EXTERMINATE DWARF". The latter has no humanity, which is in interesting contrast that might have some implications. To add to your theory that the nemesis becomes a control center when needed, you didnt mention it spawns a bunch of phasebombs when destroyed. When it dies at an unintended moment it summons said phasebombs, but maybe when it dies"willingly" it instead summons turrets to protect it while it transforms into a new router. Regarding why the rivals are here, maybe they search for something deep in hoxxes? They have barely any interest in the planets minerals, especially now that theres less prospectors. If not hoxxes' minerals, it has to be knowledge theyre after with all the data cells they are collecting. Maybe they didnt go deeper into the planet because of the danger of rockpox, but to get closer to their goal? Thats all i got for now, might make another comment sometimes. Once again, amazing video! Looking forward to future content, have a great day!
Really interested observations there! I like the dichotomy between the loud angry voice of the Nemesis and its more normal sounding one. It sounds like ut dropping its pretend if trickery and is GOING. TO. GET. YOU.
wanna hear my own mini-theory or something i have seen? the pheromone grenade for scout messes with the rival tech's sensors, attacking anything that has been pheromone-d, including it's own "team"
Man, rivals, i barely see them nowdays and i like their presence and industrial sabotage. I remember my first ever mission on industrial sabotage where i circled a turret for 10 seconds thinking you could hack them. Ngl i wish you could acctualy hack turrets and carry them around once their on your side just like you can for patrol bots.
Lore idea: Turrets are DUMB TERMINALS They only have enough Memory space for their FCS software, Sensor response and data relay unit. BET-C targetting system just can't fit the turret, and Bosco's was found to be incompatible even when stripped down to just the attack part. Nerds at R&D say the turret seems to have a hard coded form of DRM that makes trying to bypass the node control they are installed with will only result in a self destructed turret.
Loved that video, especially the RP aspects of it, which makes DRG feel more alive and lived in. Any idea when we'll get the video on Dreadnoughts? Can't wait to see it!
I may be late to the party, but I have the theory/head-canon that Rival Tech is run by Dark Elves/Drow. It’s implied by the drink Leaf Lover that DRG’s management is comprised of elves (leaf lover exists to please management) and this elven presence may also seep into RnD and the tech it makes-stuff like M.U.L.E.s and Bosco are dwarven made due to their impractical effectiveness but management still likely influences it. Dark Elves are a literal rivals to elves or in this case the company and due to making the murder robots, their long ears, and other elf traits making them rivals for the dwarves (leaf lovers). As well, dark elves are usually depicted as much more vicious and blood thirsty in fiction (see Dark Eldar for an example) so them making the Rival murder-bots. I also have the head-canon that the some of the voice lines of the Nemesis, “by god it’s full of stars” “I have seen things you dwarves wouldn’t believe” and “I see BET-C glitter in the dark,” are as the machine is dying, it’s manipulating code (what has it say stuff like “why couldn’t we be friends” to manipulate dwarves into dropping their guard and blowing up via phase bombs) disrupting and the AI’s conciseness taking control in its last moments as these lines seem like they would not guilt trip the dwarves.
I am in awe at how painstakingly you tried to justify every little aspect of this, even minor stuff like the Patrol Bots losing health over time when they're hacked. And in a way that 100% fits the flavor of DRG. Even though I know it'd probably be an awful idea, I kinda want to see what a DRG tv series with you on the writing team would look like. You have some good writer chops. And Infraraye is the cutest murderbot I've ever seen. Or, well, heard.
One of the most interesting and possibly intentional justifications that I noticed was that the idea of the rivals being made out of the minerals on hoxxes being an additional explanation for why they take increased melee damage.
@@iwillslapyou4982 Not exactly because they're made of minerals, rather because they're made out of microperforated sheets of metal which have a tendency to break
My personal theory for why the bugs and the Rivals don't interact with each other is noise. Any and all operations we conduct generate a lot of noise, from Doretta's drilling to the Refinery's burst pipe warnings attracting bugs. My theory is that the Rivals were likely collecting info on the bugs, observing that they use sound to communicate and hunt. This led the Rivals to develop their robots to be as low sound as possible, or having any sounds they do have be outside the bugs' frequency. Even then, I think an additional layer of "defense" for the Rivals is the armor. Nothing of our dwarven tech can damage the structure of the Rival bots, only specific weakpoints, so it stands to reason the same applies to the bugs. Maybe the bugs have recognized they can't damage the Rivals at all, and have effectively tuned them out, like the white noise of a fan. I also think the Rivals are highly optimized in most aspects, with the exception of heat. While it is much harder to set one alight, the moment a Rival bot does ignite it immediately shuts down or blows up. Their systems must be focused in dissipating as much of it as possible, too, as they only ignite under sustained heat, not short bursts of it. I will note, the Rivals have given us at least one cool thing: the Rival Tech framework for weapons. It's super cool to have glowing vents and floating elements, especially because weapon paintjobs have different colors for those glowing elements, too.
I think their armor is designed to allow them to "breathe" and disappate heat quickly but that also works in reverse when it comes to taking on heat. Kinda like putting a space heater up to your computer fans lol
Notable is the sound various rival tech makes. You touched on the very distinct noise their entrance always has, giving alert dwarves a moment of warning as the rivals' sensors figure out where they are, which is a great time to do the same and assess the situation as it's changed. The sound is a little distinct depending on size, but usually it's only easy to identify when a nemesis decides to crash the party, as the other sounds come in groups and sometimes in the middle of other combat. And phase bombs, of course, but those are much more predictable due to their sources. Turrets, mainly sniper turrets, make a varied humming sound when charging a shot. You'll usually hear this the moment that laser locks onto you, but it can be very helpful to know when the next round is coming without having to look and dodge it, though should you find yourself against a whole cluster of snipers it's better to just get behind something if at all possible. Patrol bots make a very similar sound when aiming their long-range shot, which combined with a similar laser seems to point to them using the exact same system, just crammed into a different shape, though it's interesting that they lack the visible expanding 'wings' that sniper turrets visibly charge up their projectiles with. Patrol bots also will make grumbling, almost grinding sounds when swapping from flight to ground modes, alongside a pretty hefty thunk of metal when they land to start rolling, as well as whenever they hit a dwarf. The counterpart of this is that their methods of defying gravity are far from quiet, emitting a constant high hum, which you can hear starting and stopping from a decent distance away as they swap between modes. Most obviously to a new observer, patrol bots will blare a short alarm right before launching their missiles, which alongside them shifting their components around can tell you exactly when you're about to take a guided explosive if you don't get moving. It's unclear why they actually do that, as it seems to largely be a weakness in this situation, but may imply them to be once intended for use alongside non-robotic forces. Prospectors make a whole load of sounds, some of which can be pretty fun to listen to - they actively learn on the field, so while they do run on sight the moment they see a team who's trying to kill them, they won't care if you approach them without firing first - though they also don't care about running into fire in the middle of a swarm and then calling in reinforcements when sitting in front of a firing gun gets them shot. The main noise to listen for in combat is the loud beeping tone they emit when they activate the shield, which while it resembles a sound signifying pain is more likely some form of audible portion of the distress signal, so any forces in hearing range will move to assist it. Even if you can't see it, that sound signifies that it's currently not worth shooting at it and that you need to turn your eyes and guns to the incoming patrol bots and shredders. The nemesis sounds both more and less familiar than anything else in the rivals' roster. Broken pieces of stolen speech aside, its propulsion makes a very easy to identify sound, audibly much lower - and less consistent - than other units, while the sound of one digging is not unlike the sound of any other large threat crushing the local environment to drag itself closer to you, though the nemesis remains unique among most of Hoxxes for being the only known threat that digs in combat to fly. Or, well, the only one with multiple sightings, rather than the rare one-offs the planet spits out every now and then. Other than identifying it before you see it - and before it sees you - it has only a couple notable sounds. The shields it fires are predictable, as it will always launch them in response to damage, but they're slow, bright, and big so identifying them by their loud sound is hardly necessary unless you're not looking at the giant death machine for.. whatever excuse you'd have for that. The nemesis will very loudly and passionately scream about the moment a dwarf gets in range, in a voice notably distinct from its lures, which can be a little helpful if you're trying to run, but by then it also may be too late. They always have the strangest things to say right before they die, though it may indeed be a lure - the idea of trying to communicate with this thing, right before it then bombs anyone who got close enough for the attempt.
The audio design of the Rivals is one of my favorite things about them. Oh and if you look closely, the patrol bots shift their parts in order to open up the way for their missile launchers which I thought was a cool detail.
Fun fact on Shredders on Industrial Sabotage: If you're lucky enough, you might be able to see a package of them get sent along the cables to a group of players. Once the package reaches said location, it pops open and unleashes Shredders. It seems to target a specific Dwarf at random as I have seen a package fly by me once and stop later to drop of some Shredders elsewhere where a teammate was
I know most people like to imagine the Rivals as Elves, but since DRG already has elven management (Actually, who said a role like that would be deferred to one race anyways?) I don't quite see it. I always liked to imagine their primary workforce being gnomes (If I recall, in DND or other stuff they're commonly tinkerers or the like) or possibly some kind of already inorganic race, like golems/warforged or just something else that could've possibly been a starting point to their tendency of robotics. Either way, they're cool and I wish to see more of them in the future. Caretakers are still my favorite boss in the game.
They did a good job making it a mystery didn't they? My current theory is that they're far far from their creators home world or long forgotten but still carrying out their purpose autonomously. Like a bunch of ancient tech that is just toggled onto "replicate and research" mode.
Probably how it is. The actual corporation just dropped off their robots, left them to run and will be back later once they pick clean all the data needed.@@siirvend
The AI on the Nemesis could fit with the "Small autonomous operation" hypothesis suggested here: an adaptive sapient defense platform that could be put into service to fight back if the operation suffered too many setbacks; or once sufficient resources were collected to justify expending it on AI outside of the Caretakers.
I think they needed something more mobile once they realized we were getting good at shutting down Caretakers. Go on the offensive to try and scare us off you know? Didn't work but still.
Mission Control has stated that the Rockpox Comet arrival & accuracy feels abit "too on the nose"... I think this was the Rivals playing literally dirty with a "dirty bomb". Not to mention other things happened just before Nemi appeared--there was a spike in Bulk encounters & dreadnaughts. Seriously, I had 3 Dread spawn in 3 separate missions in a row. I think Nemis moving around before they made themself known to up were waking them up; using the dwarf callouts no less to rill them up & hunt us down. There is one thing that worries me, one line--"I thought we were friends..." Why to I feel DRG made a contract deal & burned the bridge like Nintendo did to Sony so long ago..
Imagine if Season 5, where we go ultra deep, connects with all that, plus the DRG Rogue Core game being developed. R&D found a way to counter and fully undo most of the damage Rockpox has caused, Morkite, their Geodes, when they begin spreading Morkite through the Cave system it buds from, is able to overrride the Rockpox entirely, and it nets a Tidy gain as well, what with the Rigs ever increasing need for Morkite on the daily uses. This was only found thanks to the teams sent to deal with the Core gone Rogue in the darkest Depths of those caves they needed to dig through to, and perhaps they found Rival presence seeping into there, a threat DRG wouldn't let pass, but with Rockpox still jeopardizing lower depth operations, the priority was get the Infection out of Hoxxes for good, while also establishing basic Logistical infrastructure to send in supplies and whatever else the Deepcore teams need to do their job and also repel Rival incursions into those Depths
I was sent on another elimination mission,(I swear it feels like there's more cocoons every week), When I spotted one of those Prospector drones. I fallowed it around for several minutes and saw that it mostly ignored a lot of minerals on the walls. It was like it was looking for something.
Hey! I just played with you earlier today, in that haz 5 salvage that bugged out. I was Jesus. prop hunt was quite fun, too! I didnt even know you had a channel, thanks for playing with me!
I cant believe you would try to cover up the achievements our enginiering specialist, managing to capture some of the shredder units and putting them offline before launching them against the bugs and even other robots! Although the dwarven tech seems to be to rough for these machines too, leading to them blowing up after a moment. Still, not an appropriate response to ground units getting there smarter than you!
Another note with turrets, destroy the terrain they are mounted on is also an easy way to destroy them. The patrol bot ball is almost the same as the ball un the area connected to the drop pod well.
I a theory about they enter the cave without drill though. They enter to the drop pods tunnels on previous mission on hoxxies 4 and spread around from cave to cave till found a spot to build the caretaker and bots
I don't think the rival robots appeared on Hoxxes IV because they were made there out of local materials. When a wave of rival drones spawns, they appear in a flash of light, as if they are teleported into the cave. I think the rivals have a huge teleporter in their home base that sends drones and equipment all the way to Hoxxes IV.
...Okay, it's great to see that this finally made it's way to the workforce, but I'm a touch worried about the Nemmy in the hangar. For more reasons than just the distress pings it sent out. Though, it certainly explains why the REVINT drone net picked up an RCF flow coming from off-world. I'll check with the intel guys, see if a response was attempted.
1 of our teams discovered a new kind of caretaker It could move Fighting it was even more difficult It uses the same thing as the nemesis To get from the caves
I like the two theories being 1. The rivals are elves cause well dwarves and elves have always hated each other 2. That the nemesis isn't an dwarf ai but they stole a dead dwarfs brain and used it as a computer to be inside the nemesis
"By god, it's full of stars!" ...this line scares me. I know it's probably supposed to, but... it really does feel like it's aware of itself. But what would a nemesis know of the stars? An artificial being created in darkness knowing nothing but cold metal, stone, and hatred. Perhaps, in its final moments, as it sends its final distress call, it recieves a message, its first and last glimpse of the sky thousands of meters above everything its ever known. And in its awe of the beauty it sees in the heavens, it can think of but one final message. "By god, it's full of stars." And then it summons phase bombs. Or maybe a nearby caretaker does that.
That line is especially odd and a bit sad. If they really are constructed underground on Hoxxes IV that means that it learns about the rest of the universe RIGHT before it dies. I also wonder if the bombs are called to destroy it to prevent us from learning more about them or to euthanize the unit outright.
Plot twist: The Automatons from Helldivers 2 are the Rivals. They sent an exploratory mission to Hoxes to find a specific kind of resource to help them fight Super Earth. Eventually, one of their prospectors will find it, and the Dwarves will have to fight to prevent the Rivals machines from sending a rocket off of Hoxxes with the data.
25:31 Sir, it's a LITHOphage. As in ROCK disease. The rival tech, and actually all robots, are made of metal. Which is rock. The Lithophage would eat the rivals ALIVE.
my personal theory is that the rival corp is composed of gnomes. elves wouldnt be concerned with hoxxes rocks at all, and goblins wouldnt make tech nearly as refined as what we see in game. gnomes, on the other hand, would definitely want the resources of hoxxes, whether it be for materials or for morkite. additionally, gnomes are too physically frail to go down there and do the mining themselves, but they do have the tinkering ability and hint of insanity to just engineer a few warcrimes to do the mining for them.
"I am definitely just pulling technobabble out of my ass here but it's fun so i don't care", to be fair we don't have any clue on what these bots are made of
Another theory regarding the rivals and rockpox I've heard is that the rivals may have made or acquired rockpox from somewhere and the whole outbreak is part of a plan to discourage us from continuing operations on Hoxxes. P. S.: Aww, BET-C made a friend!
@@siirvend That's the greatest weapon of the rivals. Secrecy and mystery. They might be just as surprised by the rockpox as we are, but there is a slim chance they were involved, and until we find out more about them we can never be sure. The best thing we can do is not jumping to concusions.
One of my personal theories is that the rivals may be under control by a disgruntled employee or a hyperintelligent A.I. trying to maximize efficiency in resource extraction by phasing out the use of dwarves.
Elves disgust at actually going in to the mines. They send advanced robots to make the planet theirs and harvest the materials they still need as a space faring empire. That's my head cannon.
@@siirvend also, your guides are very good... but there is one enemy that i still don't know how to counter, that is getting stuck on structures, since you know a loot of the game, do you ever found some way to get unstuck from a pipeline on the refinery or the aquarqs launch bay? i also want to mention: in the omen module exterminator rundown video, i just found on the wiki that you can stand on top of molly to avoid the plasma pulse, i didn't remember if you mentioned that on the video
@@siirvend hi i also have a question that i couldn't find in any wiki or place about DRG, about the caretaker diamond, i want to know the diamond metrics, i want to know if the turret arc cud hurt the eye and vents, and i want to know if when the caretaker spins it destroy terrain like engineer platforms
I theorize the Rivals have so little problem with the glyphids because of an exploitation of their instincts. Since they lack any organic bits, the glyphids likely view them as environmental hazards to be avoided instead of intruders to be repelled.
I know that the elf theory is just a theory... A GAME THE- But it does make sense, if you look at DRG as a scifi interpretation of classic fantasy... Which it is... - "Rivals" of Dwarves - Technology is more sophisticated in looks and has more finesse, as opposed to dwarven practical, rough and sometimes duct-taped together - Isolationistic and refuse to communicate with others (Implied sense of superiority) - Do not get their hands dirty, prefering to send unmanned drones - The dichotomy between Send in manual laborers/Use remote drones is similar in philosophy to classic fantasy Dwarf physical/Elf magical - (Bonus about the technobabble) their "Specially constructed steel" could be a nod to Mythril or Elven steel They're very obviously elves, or at least "Precursors", a sci-fi archetype that is often based on elves
imagine if Nemesis could say "We're rich!" or "Mushroom!" and ping random locations in the map to lure dwarfs
Oooo fake pings would be something
It did say mushroom once when I first encountered one
it can say we’re rich and mushroom yea
@@Boon_LightBurn but it can't ping
shh, noone tell him :D
I really hope the theory about the rival company being Elves is true, just because that would be hilarious.
Another fun theory that I've seen, is that rival company are dragons, which works
Really well, and would be really cool
I kinda want them to be either gnomes or goblins. But I'll take elves as well, long as it makes sense storywise.
@@lula4260 If there were to be a dragon faction, I would almost rather they show up in person. That would be amazing.
@@LarzangWell, you’re in luck because the devs envisioned them as gnomes. One of them (I think Mikkel?) said as much on a stream a while ago. I’d link it but I don’t remember which stream it was.
Personally I'd prefer Grayliens.
Fun fact: Shredders, unlike all other robots is affected by fear effects and stun; All other bots are immune to stun and fear effects.
They know to be afraid
I think an even more hilarious situation would be the rivals were sent by DRG's upper management or as part of some kind of joint project but nobody at hoxxes got the memo with the required signal IDs and upper management has failed entirely to notice.
Due to space time shenanigans and distance the place they cake from advanced tech to automate the whome process but to DRG it happened in a few years and not hundreds haha
I always believed the bots were mechs for really tiny elves
Gnomea
i was starting to fall asleep, but as soon as i heard the 22:56 "WERE RICH" in that robotic voice actually made me jump from my chair
He knows where you are and is approaching your location rapidly.
You probably still have time, their forcefield generators and claws have limited their movement speed, forcing em to rely on warping, lock and load. Get some flammable items and a lighter
I love that you worked the quirk of your BET-C voice pack mod into the patrol bot hacking lore! Now it makes total sense why they would introduce themselves as BET-C, despite being rival bots!
We don't fix our mistakes around here! We make 30 minute UA-cam videos to JUSTIFY those mistakes!
What is the music in the background lore segment?
9:00 The problem with this is that air is actually an incredibly effective thermal insulator. In reality, this plating would provide significant protection against heat.
@@mr.tweaty I had no idea that works like that. Neat
@@siirvend Rock and...
Insolation?..
uh....
Little advice to set a nemesis on fire fast.
Since a nemesis can't grab a dwarf inside a Gunner shield, a Gunner and a Driller using the heat radiance upgrade on the CRSPR can work together to set a nemesis on fire at point blank.
Its even more ridiculous if the Gunner also has fire options.
That's a great strat, I gotta try that
If you don't have a gunner, the strategy might also work with an engineer with two LUREs. The nemesis will grab them both, and that might just keep its hands full long enough to burn it to death.
Gunner shield, Burning hell OC on minigun, Hot bullets, Inferno OC on railcannon, fire grenades, Sticky fuel OC os crisper and full heat build for MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.
Your story telling ability is absolutely unmatched! Know that your reports bring a lot of entertainment to otherwise rig-bound workers. It can be a lonely job in the more technical quarters of our orbit some days
I try to keep you guys in the loop on what's going on outside of the work week you know?
Nemesis is a crab, the ultimate evolution of Rival tech.
All must return to crab
one thing you forgot is the nemesis failsafe system you see when we dismantle one of those accursed machines it seems to send out a signal, a targeting signal for phase bombs that quickly arrive on scene and detonate removing any chance of recovering any of its mostly likely highly advanced components and also as one final shot to eliminate the ones who took it down
They forgot we ourselves had robot forces of our own, and bet-c is way too determined and a bit werid
I've alwats wondered if it's doing that itself out of desperation or if that happens externally to destroy the remains of the Nemesis and its attackers whenever the signal goes out.
How she managed to disable that thing is beyond me
@@siirvend considering how her plating was somehow made to take things like grenades, bullets and even a supply pod to the top of the turret, the nemesis's claws weren't gonna do much to her. However i don't know if i can say the same for his force fields
@@siirvend hey, you said that patrol bots use a stripped down version of bet-c's targeting software right ? Well i just thought of something. Why not try using Bosco's targeting
One thing I was thinking of is maybe the Caretakers were assemble in orbit/on the surface, then "phased" into the caves using the same tech they use with the phase bomb?
That's am interesting possibility. If so we need to get some dwarf piloted ships to take care of it haha
I cannot stress how much more I NEED of content like this. I love lore but mixing lore with tips & tricks and doing it all in a sort of scientific documentary style video is great.
So more of this please
My boy, it's good to see you again Lad!
21 SECONDS AFTER UPLOAD
also hi!
So, going personal theory, the Glyphids ignoring the rival structures because they do believe them to be just native ore. Maybe thats why the Mules and Lootbugs are ignored as well: They are so full of the native ore that they just blend in for the bugs. And I mean, Glyphids have no eyes as far as I can see so they probably navigate primarily by smell. Great to find Miners, basically neglectable for most machinery, the exceptions being Pipes which have who-knows-how-many beard hairs in the connections, and Hacksy who is sitting with the R&D all day and takes on their distinct nerd-y-ness. Dorretta is probably only targeted because of the core, both her body and head are being neglected by the Glyphids... And company.
I am somehow thinking the Miners shower more then the guys in the labs purely because the Miners are in the medbay so often and can not decline a shower.
They can smell things and also hear them
"The noise will attract the locals"
They may attack robots and buildings because of all the noise of drilling dirt and refining liquid morkite
@@_AnCub_ True!
You have to wonder though, how do Glyphids not get pissed off at the Caretaker during Rival fights?
@danolantern6030 If shredders make tunnels for cables, how glyphids are not pisses of by them
I've heard some dwarves saying they believe the rivals to be elves, but I don't think that's the case. If the bots were gathering plants and wildlife data or were specifically stopping us from damaging the ecosystem, I'd believe it, but the bots show no interest in anything like that. Elves have no interest in gathering mass quantities of precious minerals, and I think that the only reason the rivals haven't done as much ecological damage as we have is because they're just scouting now. Plus, just look at them. Elf creations are all smooth curves and natural shapes, not hard edges and stark destruction.
My guess for who the rivals are? DRAGONS. More specifically, kobolds working for dragons to increase their hordes. Kobolds can be just as crafty as dwarves, and they are known for improvising traps and gadgets with whatever they find lying around, just like the bot building themselves out of the planet's minerals. And, dragons are the only beings I can think of who rival the dwarves for love of precious minerals and gems, but they're also lazy, prideful bastards who prefer to laze around in their dens and let lesser beings do the heavy lifting for them: what better way to do that than autonomous robots? Even the fire weakness makes sense; can't let your minions try to overthrow you, and what better way to prevent that than making them weak to a dragons best weapon?
We don't know what elves are like in the DRG-verse... but your idea of kobolds actually kinda kicks ass.
> me playing with the Kobold mod almost every single time
If it was THOSE kobolds then I'm gonna need to have a word with someone!
(Theres a mod that replaces the voices if the Dwarves for kobolds as well as a mod that replaces the models btw)
@@siirvend I promise as a member of the Kobold Division I am not affiliated with the rivals what-so-ever. The rival frameworks just look cool and the shredders are one of the best grenades I promise that's the only reason
FYI, as of this comment; the driller’s new crisper overclock “scorching tide” takes out every robot (except the caretaker) if you can aim well. The nemesis can be a little bit more difficult due to the nature of the shields it produces. Most times it can take 2 shots, solely because of it blocking the shot with a shield.
Here's what i think.
The rivals are self replicating bots of a type 3 civilization, sent to modify entire star systems to make them habitable. Hoxxes IV so happens to be the richest planet in the system, so naturally, bots will try to capture it, sending a scout squad to scan the minerals inside the planet, in case they find something useful to build a mega structure, like a dyson sphere/swarm. They are fully autonomous and probably have a mastermind center somewhere in the Hoxxes system, constantly getting data reports from the underground. Early data reports showed that the caves of Hoxxes IV are rich and infested with organics, but not just the Hoxxes ecosystem, also dwarves. For us, dwarves, rival's design seems flawed, but actually, it is just good enough to withstand planets ecosystem. As said in the video, rivals are not armed to counter dwarves with heavy weapons. Their armor is mostly built to counter kinetic damage, aka the damage type most of the animals rely on when the they try to attack something. Would explain why glyphids don't attack rivals, similar to lootbugs. Anyways, since the bots main purpose is terraforming and not combat, they had to adapt, improvise, repurpose. Therefore the nemesis was born. I am afraid that if we fight to much, rivals will reinforce, but if we don't, they will finish the data analysis and send in the workforce, with more troops to guard the mining equipment from dwarves, since we made it clear that we can be a thorn in their side. But even if we keep that balance, i am afraid for what awaits us if we stall for too long and the type 3 civilisation's ships arrive, leaving us no other choice but to surrender Hoxxes IV to them. *Miners! Work hard, mine all the minerals you see! Don't let those pesky robots get any of our stuff, and let's deplete Hoxxes IV of minerals before we are forced out. Let's starve those leaf lovers of resources, they shouldn't have messed with DWARVES. ROCK N STONE!*
HELL YES! Been waiting excitedly for this, also amazing use of the Infinite Forest OST.
It fits so well haha
a theory i have about the rockpox is that is might be a bioweapon of the rivals made to destroy/weaken the planet and its inhabitants. i think this as mission control did say during the season 3 assignment that "these seem to be almost deliberately striking Hoxxes". it's not a perfect theory but could be interesting.
That seems more to be a hint that the Rockpox has more of a mind of its own that you would expect from a disease, which seems to be confirmed by the plaguehearts forming into the corruptor in order to move and fight on their own. Also apparently all the rockpox meteors come from a comet passing through the system.
"Heavily armed dwarves with questionably legal firearm modification and two liters of ale in their systems"
So excited to see you again! Glad to know Long Rockpox (... or the disinfectant fumes) haven't done you in, I was starting to worry a little.
Now, I'm a sort who likes to consider himself a bit of a robotics nerd (... above many other topics). I, uh, couldn't actually apply that to a degree, which... is sort of obvious why I'm stuck in the same rig as you, and not assembling servitors or intelligent massage chairs anywhere nice. But! My point is, ever since these machines have dug in, I've been utterly fascinated with how they're put together (and how the Dwarves take them apart). I'd like to think I know my robotics, so here's some additional... conjecture, based on my own observations:
- One theory I can't just drop is that we might have a Grey Goo scenario on our hands. It's entirely possible whatever autonomous infrastructure these machines originally *were* made for has been long forgotten: the entire network of machines is now one big, hungry, collective organism that answers only to itself. It's possible they've swallowed whole planets, if not entire star systems: a simple protocol for "survival & propigation" growing wildly out of control simply due to how fast machines can adapt, and how limitless the potential mechanical design is. They find a system, devour it, devote the last morsels for transport craft, and move on - or perhaps even spread, like a mechanical Lithophage asserting itself.
- The shredder drones are absurdly efficient, it's honestly a little scary. Their "brains" are basically absent, offloading most of their processing and navigation to their Caretaker Network. They could be hacked because there simply was nothing *to* hack - hence the grenades! Yes, some "malicious parts" had to be cut out, hence why they... uh, rip themselves apart after a while, but it's really easy to just connect them to a handheld computer, like the ones Engineers are always using for their turrets. Obviously there's only enough remaining processing power left to handle a single swarm, hence why spawning a fresh one just... turns off the last swarm, but still. I don't think it'd be impossible to actually get these things to give someone a good shave. Silver lining, y'know?
- No idea why the bugs just... ignore them. Sure, the lack of bulky batteries means the Xynarch won't try and eat their circuits, but even something as angry as a Slasher just... walks right by. The turrets don't even attack the bugs, either. It's almost comical, two of the worst enemies on this rock, and they're totally happy with each other's presence. It *could* be something to do with their phase warping not triggering tremors, and their overall composition just registering as "not food" to the bugs, but they attack *our* machines... I don't know if it's a coincidence or not. Could there have been initial surveys of biological data? And if so, why didn't they seem to notice us? ... Did they get the data for this place before we even showed up?
- The Nemesis seems to further my theory that the Rivals are one big emergent entity: its their first devoted counterattack against the Dwarves, and despite being highly specialized, it's... faulty. It's attacks are (mostly) recycled tech on present units. The claws are super-similar to the ones on the Caretaker Platforms, but specialized to crush and maim, removing the laser emitter for a much stronger magnetic actuator (and also, y'know, putting blades on the claws itself). The rest is just the machine making use of knowledge the Rivals have "learned" about the only threat actually present: the Dwarves. What they say to garner attention, mostly. And the ultra-violent, one-track-mind AI onboard just aids it in its specialized goal: the Dwarves are a present threat, eliminate them. Like an immune system or something. I'd characterize an antibody with the same level of vengeance - utter obliteration of its assigned target.
- ... The real terrifying thought is just how intelligence-based their efforts are. They didn't expect us (and, potentially, the Lithophage). Really, the only true "killer" is the Nemesis, and it's... rare, clunky, and only dangerous up close. We're really just dealing with scouts and surveyors, and their (semi) recent attempt to confront us. If and when we see their actual soldiers... that thought gives me chills. Giant resource extractors, huge swarms that could give the Glyphids a run for their money... Either the Rivals are going to learn *how* to manufacture a better solider, or call in one, or *both* , and I don't know which one I'd prefer. (Though, witnessing an entire mechanical "ecosystem" at full force would be amazing... if it wasn't so eager to vaporize us.)
- And yes, the Lithophage seems to have them... wary. I'm much more of a roboticist by passion than a biologist, so I don't know if the Lithophage could convert the same nano-alloys that compose the Rival's hulls, but... actually, I should stop there. The visual of an infected Caretaker is too horrifying to imagine, especially if CHX4 could actually learn how to manipulate electronics as well as it does organic nervous systems. Eugh. ... Actually, if they are an independent intelligence... maybe the meteor impacts scared them? Even a Caretaker wouldn't fare well with one of those dropping on them. They're panicked, like an animal hearing a gunshot. Once they collect themselves, maybe we'll see more of them again. That, or they're already plotting some sort of... "next phase", and I'm just being optimistic.
Otherwise, thank *you* for such a concise summary! (Never would have even thought about their hull composition factoring in for their heat weakness.) I apologize for such a lengthy response, but these contraptions and their designs really do just fascinate me. I'd almost describe their designs as "artansial" if, y'know, they weren't as violent as the bugs. Point is, your appearances are always a treat, thank you for (hopefully) reading my own nerdy babbling, and I'm very interested in seeing you next time. :D
About why bugs don't attack them, I suspect that rivals simply don't send vibrations into ground
All of our equipment they attack (Doretta, pipelines, dwarves) send some sort of vibrations which attracts bugs
Although, I don't know if hacksy makes any vibrations....
Probably it's just gamer noises that attract them
Besides that, rivals are machines, so it's obvious they don't emit pheromones, thus not being visible to glyphids unlikely to dwarves
About the rest, I love those theories
I kinda don't want to meet infected nemesis myself, or real soldiers of rivals. But we are dwarves, and we will defeat them with rocks and stones!
I'm absolutely on board with the independent mechanical organism theory too! I loved the way you out it in terms of the Nemesis being an antibody type manifestation in response to us meddling. It just makes sense that the Rivals would be a learning entity capable of utilizing found materials and adapting on the fly to create new units as needed depending on the environment. Scary thought that they could have already used up entire star systems already before they found the Hoxxian system. Would explain why they're so unprepared right now, its likely the other places they've been have been cold barren rocks.
Fun stuff to think about. Also you got scarily close to my theories on the hacked shredders in my Engie throwables script haha
I'm sure what you wrote is true but I ain't reading all that
You made an entire paragraph Impressive
On top of my first Nemesis encounter giving me PTSD. My friend commented that I seem to be getting a lot more nemesis spawns than they do.
Also, the voice line for when I narrowly defeated that first nemesis encounter was “Why couldn’t we be friends”
I think they’re tracking my IP address.
A n d t h e y c a n s e n s e f e a r
Thanks once again for your contribution to DeepTube. Geological Survey and Supervision thanks you for the update on the Rivals, and a proper explanation on why we don’t have more stolen survey data.
A fellow from R&D with a degree in metallurgical science does want to nitpick a bit. I’ll let him on the recording. (off mic) _lemme just shuffle over…_
“Alright, so here’s the deal. The patterning on the Rival tech’s metal components is actually rather interesting. Given that these are all-terrain, all-temperature systems, they need some pretty unique convection techniques to properly vent heat out of their cores. What you’re seeing there is actually an extrusion of their circuits, which are very… Efficient with spatial use. The core of the machine is actually dedicated to battery storage since the Caretaker net only recharges in bursts for efficiency, as well as comms equipment to maintain connection. This is very juicy stuff, and the specific energy storage medium, one of my buddies told me, is actually a super-concentrated form of battery acid, since it’s rather easy to synthesise from existing geological samples. This acid, however, is extremely flammable, so the fire weakness comes from the thin slats of metal (which as before are direct cooling from the circuits) getting hot and passing it to the battery core, which overheats and explodes. Still, you got a good part of it right.”
Thank you, Bill. (off mic) remember to get me the two-pack, OK?
Now here’s the thing. Hoxxes IV is not very rich in silicon, at least from our survey data, so whatever blasted bots decided to drop stuff on our turf are gonna run out of computing strata eventually. They’ll use stuff like germanium to make it go further, but assuming that they came here under the assumption that Hoxxes had enough to keep themselves going, if we keep busting up the bots and (crucially) taking their data storage media, eventually they won’t have silicon to make computers with, and will kinda just fall apart. Now, that will take a monumental effort from the ground teams, but it’ll happen eventually.
One more thing. We’ve had boatloads of data to sort through ever since the Rivals started prospecting for us, and that means that theoretically, we _could_ get a proper map of Hoxxes online, send down a superior force, and just establish a fortress while we pull motherloads of Nitra and Morkite outta the floor, but the Creature Studies wing of R&D did raise a fairly good point.
If they’re making Dreadnoughts just because we’re doing expeditions, they’ll make Queens to break the fortresses. And Management wants this to go easy. We do not want to bring the forsaken mess that is a Queen back out of the Hives.
That’s all for now. GSS thanks you again for the information.
If we could reserve engineer their systems well enough we could do much more than simply archive partial information from the data cubes/racks, I'm sure management would like that. That's why I think they're extrasolar or even possibly extragalaxtic, the tech makes sense but is still very alien to anything were used to seeing in this wing of the galaxy, especially this far out but you can't rule out uncontacted entities at this point even within the galaxy.
It looks like someone decided to go ahead with the fortress plan and built some for EXPENITE harvesting in the core. Given that special rifts, corespawn crawlers, and core stones are showing up in our caves, I think whatever was down there is way worse than queens.
I'd like to add I go nuts for all the lore about why stuff works the (weird) way it does. In this case the BET-C targeting protocol being inefficient, frying the bots over time😂👌
there are a some hints that the Rivals hate the dwarfs and DRG, like in the S.S.G Grenate of the Engineer.
The descripion says that the shredders have "unnessecary malicious parts".
and that you can use that to make 5 shredders of it, or the engis S.S.G
I've heard the Nemesis in my first few encounters with it say:
"Time to die Dwarf!" After being defeated.
"I've seen things you wouldn't believe!" After being deveated.
It was genuinely foreboding to hear. X3
My favorite one is "My god, its full of stars."
Majes you really wonder what it's seeing.
Nice video as always, Siir!
Am I alone in my love of the Rival Incursion as my favorite seasonal threat? Honestly robots are just cool as heck.
I genuinely liked both seasons, I loved the theming
Perhaps the (possible) artifical intelligence isnt just in the Nemesis but infact in all the bots. Perhaps in their need to adapt and improve to survive they've mimicked us, possibly causing an awakening. They seem to like shiny things going off the death rattle of the Nemesis talking about stars and our shiny Bet-c.
I gotta lay off the Smart Stout...
I remember one time there was a nemesis, and Doretta ran into it and instantly killed it. It was hilarious.
Love those moments lol
Never forget the moments where Mission Control somehow manages to bulls-eye a Nemesis with a minehead or refinery. He may have a cozy job, but damn is he a good shot when he feels like it.
@@Quicksteincontinuing to support the mission control as a scout theory
@@gustavwood0064i definitely like this theory. he likes the classic, hates the zhukovs with no personal opinion on any other guns. therefore, he probably has experience
Either I have drunk one too many rounds at the Abyss Bar or I encountered a super rare Rival, but I swear on Karl's grave when I first encountered the Nemesis on a Deep Dive it was like a giant mechanical worm, multiple segments that flow as a line through the air in unison like a snake seeking it's pray
I have reported the sighting to DRG but the management and Ryan dismissed it as me getting too drunk even tho 8 rounds in a row is barely anything troubling and I had a clear mind during the dive
Resulted in Ryan forcing me to have double the Nitra for a resupply and him also banning Lloyd from serving me any beer for next couple missions, disrespectful for my overtime on past missions
Haven't encountered that thing since, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rivals would be preparing their next batch of bots while we fight the Rockpox, who knows they might just be upgrading the Caretaker facilities that are still left to make them more deadly, or repairing the failed ones cuz DRG never goes into the same cave twice
It'll be even worse if they'll find a way to further weaponize Rockpox with like steroids or some some other fiendish tech
If you see it again I need a pic because I've been wondering where the colossal worm enemies are on Hoxxes IV for a while now
I'm looking forward to the briefing about the caretaker, as these are really well made
I hope to get back to that soon
@@siirvend great to hear, I like how instead of just spread sheeting you actually put some personality in the video as it helps keep attention and makes the videos entertaining on their own not just informative, in terms of drg you are by far my favourite and I can't wait for the future videos, including the grenade ones for the scout and engie especially as well
My theory on the Nemesis' strange way of talking even in death is due to where at least I suspect it came from, it is in my belief that the rival company has found and captured Karl who had been spending his time after abandonment wandering the caves of Hoxxes harboring a bitter resentment for DRG a resentment he didnt fully agree with, it was a resentment that had been festering in the back of his mind nonetheless especially seeing how DRG was throwing dwarven lives to the wayside for their own financial gain, eventually being found and captured by the rival company and after probing his mind for any information that could be used to defeat DRG decided to manipulate his complicated feelings towards his former employer and mining brethren and exploit it for a new weapon intended for hunting down and exterminating DRG mining teams and who else better than a renowned greybeard? The rival company digitizing his consciousness and shackling it to the network responsible for controlling all Nemesis platforms on Hoxxes and though the firewalls designed to keep Karls mind contained has proved effective as of the current date it has been noted the Nemesis taking on Dwarven mannerisms both new and old
Would explain why the voice is a dwarf but sounds slightly different from our dwarf in game. If it is Karl's resentment digitized into an AI copy, that's basically just the world's worst Glass Door review lol
probably the best way to do videos on drg lore
It does feel like we were just at the tip of the iceberg with the rivals. The fact that some other faction sent these bots purposely to scope out the area makes me think it's not the end of things.
The rockpox might be an accidental thing in comparison. I don't think the rivals anticipated this inorganic consuming virus would appear and why they went deeper. Can you imagine what kind of shit would happen if that virus gets into their circuits? I don't want shredder with rockpox swarming us dwarves.
And this does make me wonder with this new update. The new crawlers are said to be DEEP in Hoxxes. Deeper then we ever thought. And if the rivals went deeper, will we see more bots in Rogue Core? What are we about to find that might explain the weirdness of the planet and possible residents? Cause ain't no way these bugs missed out on some humanoid entity and not try to wipe them out.
On Engi, Shard difractor is generally your best bet for dealing with most bots and especially sniper turrets, just use make sure to use the heat mod. Fatboy will usually be a waste of ammo on these enemies unless you’re using it to hit all 4 vents on the caretaker
Incredible video! Really like the theories. Id like to share my own if you dont mind.
The rivals enter hoxxes via teleportation. Its how they spawn, they use phase bombs and teleportation is literally usable via the wormhole special beer. If it can be achieved via beer(albeit very unstable) then surely the tech is advanced enough to teleport rival fleets into the planet.
Burst turrets mimic bet-c's firing pattern, no tracking. Like you said in the betc video, its designed to deal with threats that run in straight lines like the glyphids. The same goes for shield turrets and the bottom segment of the omen exterminator. This makes me believe turrets are designed to deal with the local wildlife and not dwarves who know to just step aside. Thats also explains why they dont do anything about the fire vulnerability, because its not needed against the primary target.
The nemesis has 2 different voices. The voice to lure and when it dies are different from the one when it attacks. They also talk differently, "come and rescue me!" compared to "EXTERMINATE DWARF". The latter has no humanity, which is in interesting contrast that might have some implications.
To add to your theory that the nemesis becomes a control center when needed, you didnt mention it spawns a bunch of phasebombs when destroyed. When it dies at an unintended moment it summons said phasebombs, but maybe when it dies"willingly" it instead summons turrets to protect it while it transforms into a new router.
Regarding why the rivals are here, maybe they search for something deep in hoxxes? They have barely any interest in the planets minerals, especially now that theres less prospectors. If not hoxxes' minerals, it has to be knowledge theyre after with all the data cells they are collecting. Maybe they didnt go deeper into the planet because of the danger of rockpox, but to get closer to their goal?
Thats all i got for now, might make another comment sometimes. Once again, amazing video! Looking forward to future content, have a great day!
Really interested observations there!
I like the dichotomy between the loud angry voice of the Nemesis and its more normal sounding one. It sounds like ut dropping its pretend if trickery and is GOING. TO. GET. YOU.
Shredders are clearly the most dangerous things in the caves because they threaten our BEARDS!
You speak the truth
I was literally just binging all your old videos, perfect timing!
wanna hear my own mini-theory or something i have seen? the pheromone grenade for scout messes with the rival tech's sensors, attacking anything that has been pheromone-d, including it's own "team"
I was thinking a similar thing! I have a part of the Caretaker script that mentions it later!
Oh frick really? i guess i was ahead (somewhat)@@siirvend
@@siirvend Oh lol i thought i was just pointing something out
Dude, it's 2024 and you're pointing things out? Wtf?
Pointing? In THIS day and age?
23:20 The first time I destroyed one will always haunt me; as it died, it said:
"Why c-couldn't we be frriiieeeeennnnnnnndddsss....."
Well, why not?
Well he probably started it
I say we take some of these rival samples and see if Lloyd can't make something tasty.
"Rival Ale. Goes down fighting"
(It's just oil in a mug but the Dwarves don't care and drink it anyway)
Man, rivals, i barely see them nowdays and i like their presence and industrial sabotage.
I remember my first ever mission on industrial sabotage where i circled a turret for 10 seconds thinking you could hack them.
Ngl i wish you could acctualy hack turrets and carry them around once their on your side just like you can for patrol bots.
Hackable turrets would be so useful. I wish we could use them instead of destroy them when we hacked a controller.
Lore idea:
Turrets are DUMB TERMINALS
They only have enough Memory space for their FCS software, Sensor response and data relay unit.
BET-C targetting system just can't fit the turret, and Bosco's was found to be incompatible even when stripped down to just the attack part.
Nerds at R&D say the turret seems to have a hard coded form of DRM that makes trying to bypass the node control they are installed with will only result in a self destructed turret.
Good to see you again! While I am looking forward to Caretaker I hope you'll continue your series on the throwables.
That's the plan next actually
Loved that video, especially the RP aspects of it, which makes DRG feel more alive and lived in. Any idea when we'll get the video on Dreadnoughts? Can't wait to see it!
Oh man, I really should make that video shouldn't I? Haha
If I do I might split it up into three videos but it can still happen.
If they WERE here to document Rockpox, then (mostly) avoiding active infection zones DOES make sense. Their presence could interfere with the data.
I may be late to the party, but I have the theory/head-canon that Rival Tech is run by Dark Elves/Drow. It’s implied by the drink Leaf Lover that DRG’s management is comprised of elves (leaf lover exists to please management) and this elven presence may also seep into RnD and the tech it makes-stuff like M.U.L.E.s and Bosco are dwarven made due to their impractical effectiveness but management still likely influences it. Dark Elves are a literal rivals to elves or in this case the company and due to making the murder robots, their long ears, and other elf traits making them rivals for the dwarves (leaf lovers). As well, dark elves are usually depicted as much more vicious and blood thirsty in fiction (see Dark Eldar for an example) so them making the Rival murder-bots.
I also have the head-canon that the some of the voice lines of the Nemesis, “by god it’s full of stars” “I have seen things you dwarves wouldn’t believe” and “I see BET-C glitter in the dark,” are as the machine is dying, it’s manipulating code (what has it say stuff like “why couldn’t we be friends” to manipulate dwarves into dropping their guard and blowing up via phase bombs) disrupting and the AI’s conciseness taking control in its last moments as these lines seem like they would not guilt trip the dwarves.
I am in awe at how painstakingly you tried to justify every little aspect of this, even minor stuff like the Patrol Bots losing health over time when they're hacked. And in a way that 100% fits the flavor of DRG.
Even though I know it'd probably be an awful idea, I kinda want to see what a DRG tv series with you on the writing team would look like. You have some good writer chops.
And Infraraye is the cutest murderbot I've ever seen. Or, well, heard.
Infra does such a good job being threatening lying cheerful!
Also you thank you!
@@siirvend No problem. It's so nice how you manage to add to the cool but sparse lore DRG has with your own work.
One of the most interesting and possibly intentional justifications that I noticed was that the idea of the rivals being made out of the minerals on hoxxes being an additional explanation for why they take increased melee damage.
@@iwillslapyou4982 Not exactly because they're made of minerals, rather because they're made out of microperforated sheets of metal which have a tendency to break
My personal theory for why the bugs and the Rivals don't interact with each other is noise. Any and all operations we conduct generate a lot of noise, from Doretta's drilling to the Refinery's burst pipe warnings attracting bugs. My theory is that the Rivals were likely collecting info on the bugs, observing that they use sound to communicate and hunt. This led the Rivals to develop their robots to be as low sound as possible, or having any sounds they do have be outside the bugs' frequency. Even then, I think an additional layer of "defense" for the Rivals is the armor. Nothing of our dwarven tech can damage the structure of the Rival bots, only specific weakpoints, so it stands to reason the same applies to the bugs. Maybe the bugs have recognized they can't damage the Rivals at all, and have effectively tuned them out, like the white noise of a fan.
I also think the Rivals are highly optimized in most aspects, with the exception of heat. While it is much harder to set one alight, the moment a Rival bot does ignite it immediately shuts down or blows up. Their systems must be focused in dissipating as much of it as possible, too, as they only ignite under sustained heat, not short bursts of it.
I will note, the Rivals have given us at least one cool thing: the Rival Tech framework for weapons. It's super cool to have glowing vents and floating elements, especially because weapon paintjobs have different colors for those glowing elements, too.
I think their armor is designed to allow them to "breathe" and disappate heat quickly but that also works in reverse when it comes to taking on heat. Kinda like putting a space heater up to your computer fans lol
Notable is the sound various rival tech makes. You touched on the very distinct noise their entrance always has, giving alert dwarves a moment of warning as the rivals' sensors figure out where they are, which is a great time to do the same and assess the situation as it's changed. The sound is a little distinct depending on size, but usually it's only easy to identify when a nemesis decides to crash the party, as the other sounds come in groups and sometimes in the middle of other combat. And phase bombs, of course, but those are much more predictable due to their sources.
Turrets, mainly sniper turrets, make a varied humming sound when charging a shot. You'll usually hear this the moment that laser locks onto you, but it can be very helpful to know when the next round is coming without having to look and dodge it, though should you find yourself against a whole cluster of snipers it's better to just get behind something if at all possible. Patrol bots make a very similar sound when aiming their long-range shot, which combined with a similar laser seems to point to them using the exact same system, just crammed into a different shape, though it's interesting that they lack the visible expanding 'wings' that sniper turrets visibly charge up their projectiles with. Patrol bots also will make grumbling, almost grinding sounds when swapping from flight to ground modes, alongside a pretty hefty thunk of metal when they land to start rolling, as well as whenever they hit a dwarf. The counterpart of this is that their methods of defying gravity are far from quiet, emitting a constant high hum, which you can hear starting and stopping from a decent distance away as they swap between modes. Most obviously to a new observer, patrol bots will blare a short alarm right before launching their missiles, which alongside them shifting their components around can tell you exactly when you're about to take a guided explosive if you don't get moving. It's unclear why they actually do that, as it seems to largely be a weakness in this situation, but may imply them to be once intended for use alongside non-robotic forces.
Prospectors make a whole load of sounds, some of which can be pretty fun to listen to - they actively learn on the field, so while they do run on sight the moment they see a team who's trying to kill them, they won't care if you approach them without firing first - though they also don't care about running into fire in the middle of a swarm and then calling in reinforcements when sitting in front of a firing gun gets them shot. The main noise to listen for in combat is the loud beeping tone they emit when they activate the shield, which while it resembles a sound signifying pain is more likely some form of audible portion of the distress signal, so any forces in hearing range will move to assist it. Even if you can't see it, that sound signifies that it's currently not worth shooting at it and that you need to turn your eyes and guns to the incoming patrol bots and shredders.
The nemesis sounds both more and less familiar than anything else in the rivals' roster. Broken pieces of stolen speech aside, its propulsion makes a very easy to identify sound, audibly much lower - and less consistent - than other units, while the sound of one digging is not unlike the sound of any other large threat crushing the local environment to drag itself closer to you, though the nemesis remains unique among most of Hoxxes for being the only known threat that digs in combat to fly. Or, well, the only one with multiple sightings, rather than the rare one-offs the planet spits out every now and then. Other than identifying it before you see it - and before it sees you - it has only a couple notable sounds. The shields it fires are predictable, as it will always launch them in response to damage, but they're slow, bright, and big so identifying them by their loud sound is hardly necessary unless you're not looking at the giant death machine for.. whatever excuse you'd have for that. The nemesis will very loudly and passionately scream about the moment a dwarf gets in range, in a voice notably distinct from its lures, which can be a little helpful if you're trying to run, but by then it also may be too late. They always have the strangest things to say right before they die, though it may indeed be a lure - the idea of trying to communicate with this thing, right before it then bombs anyone who got close enough for the attempt.
The audio design of the Rivals is one of my favorite things about them.
Oh and if you look closely, the patrol bots shift their parts in order to open up the way for their missile launchers which I thought was a cool detail.
This video is insanely well made, I can never say no to anything DRG lore related so thanks for the video to watch while I ate my yumby food :)
Eating without youtube is a fate worse than death
Also thanks lol
good to see a new video!
Fun fact on Shredders on Industrial Sabotage: If you're lucky enough, you might be able to see a package of them get sent along the cables to a group of players. Once the package reaches said location, it pops open and unleashes Shredders. It seems to target a specific Dwarf at random as I have seen a package fly by me once and stop later to drop of some Shredders elsewhere where a teammate was
Interesting theories about the lore here, really enjoyed it!
i often forget how siirvend's voice is so good to listen to
I know most people like to imagine the Rivals as Elves, but since DRG already has elven management (Actually, who said a role like that would be deferred to one race anyways?) I don't quite see it. I always liked to imagine their primary workforce being gnomes (If I recall, in DND or other stuff they're commonly tinkerers or the like) or possibly some kind of already inorganic race, like golems/warforged or just something else that could've possibly been a starting point to their tendency of robotics.
Either way, they're cool and I wish to see more of them in the future. Caretakers are still my favorite boss in the game.
They did a good job making it a mystery didn't they? My current theory is that they're far far from their creators home world or long forgotten but still carrying out their purpose autonomously. Like a bunch of ancient tech that is just toggled onto "replicate and research" mode.
Probably how it is. The actual corporation just dropped off their robots, left them to run and will be back later once they pick clean all the data needed.@@siirvend
What I learned from this video is that bringing a source of fire damage is highly recommended!
Very, it light not be the killer it used to be but it can definitely save you ammo woth focus fire
tip for rival tech: Don't be an idiot like me and bring the cryo cannon and wave cooker. it does jack shit against them
Weirdly enough, you can trigger Boiler Ray on shredders lol
The AI on the Nemesis could fit with the "Small autonomous operation" hypothesis suggested here: an adaptive sapient defense platform that could be put into service to fight back if the operation suffered too many setbacks; or once sufficient resources were collected to justify expending it on AI outside of the Caretakers.
I think they needed something more mobile once they realized we were getting good at shutting down Caretakers. Go on the offensive to try and scare us off you know? Didn't work but still.
Superb narration. This is a work of art
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Note on Nemesis: The best way to get a fast kill on gunner is pairing incendiaries with heat weapons (Hellfire the best)
Absolutely, that and the Hellfire lingering trail on the coilgun
6:25 Another good way to deal with them, if you are a Scout, is using the shock boomerang. Insta-kills any that it hits and can hit a LOT.
I love your lore takes undoubtedly added to my "DRG lore" brain file
All according plan
The psicologycal warfare theory of the nemesis is kinda scary
Mission Control has stated that the Rockpox Comet arrival & accuracy feels abit "too on the nose"... I think this was the Rivals playing literally dirty with a "dirty bomb". Not to mention other things happened just before Nemi appeared--there was a spike in Bulk encounters & dreadnaughts. Seriously, I had 3 Dread spawn in 3 separate missions in a row. I think Nemis moving around before they made themself known to up were waking them up; using the dwarf callouts no less to rill them up & hunt us down.
There is one thing that worries me, one line--"I thought we were friends..." Why to I feel DRG made a contract deal & burned the bridge like Nintendo did to Sony so long ago..
Regardless of the exact details, the Rivals and Lithophage seem to be connected in some way.
Imagine if Season 5, where we go ultra deep, connects with all that, plus the DRG Rogue Core game being developed.
R&D found a way to counter and fully undo most of the damage Rockpox has caused, Morkite, their Geodes, when they begin spreading Morkite through the Cave system it buds from, is able to overrride the Rockpox entirely, and it nets a Tidy gain as well, what with the Rigs ever increasing need for Morkite on the daily uses.
This was only found thanks to the teams sent to deal with the Core gone Rogue in the darkest Depths of those caves they needed to dig through to, and perhaps they found Rival presence seeping into there, a threat DRG wouldn't let pass, but with Rockpox still jeopardizing lower depth operations, the priority was get the Infection out of Hoxxes for good, while also establishing basic Logistical infrastructure to send in supplies and whatever else the Deepcore teams need to do their job and also repel Rival incursions into those Depths
I was sent on another elimination mission,(I swear it feels like there's more cocoons every week), When I spotted one of those Prospector drones.
I fallowed it around for several minutes and saw that it mostly ignored a lot of minerals on the walls.
It was like it was looking for something.
nobody is really sure are they?
@@siirvend It would explain why we always find so much nitra close to the Caretaker.
Hey! I just played with you earlier today, in that haz 5 salvage that bugged out. I was Jesus. prop hunt was quite fun, too! I didnt even know you had a channel, thanks for playing with me!
No problem man! That mission was chaos lol
Ah it good to see ya back.
I cant believe you would try to cover up the achievements our enginiering specialist, managing to capture some of the shredder units and putting them offline before launching them against the bugs and even other robots! Although the dwarven tech seems to be to rough for these machines too, leading to them blowing up after a moment. Still, not an appropriate response to ground units getting there smarter than you!
Hey I'm not covering SSGs up! I've got a whole engineer throwables video coming to prove it! Lol
Another note with turrets, destroy the terrain they are mounted on is also an easy way to destroy them.
The patrol bot ball is almost the same as the ball un the area connected to the drop pod well.
That ball actually is a patrol bot part I think haha. Don't tell management, we're not supposed to have those...
@@siirvend wasn't that there beforbthe bots showed up?
@@Whitewing89 im pretty sure it showed up in either season 1 or 2
This is especially useful, since Season 5 lets us return to previous seasons
They should elevate the psychological trauma by making the nemesis call for help and make it appear like your teammates are downed In another cave.
I a theory about they enter the cave without drill though. They enter to the drop pods tunnels on previous mission on hoxxies 4 and spread around from cave to cave till found a spot to build the caretaker and bots
I don't think the rival robots appeared on Hoxxes IV because they were made there out of local materials. When a wave of rival drones spawns, they appear in a flash of light, as if they are teleported into the cave. I think the rivals have a huge teleporter in their home base that sends drones and equipment all the way to Hoxxes IV.
Could be long range teleportation but there's no way we'd know ourselves. I assume they would send a lot more if it wasn't a localized force though.
When I hear a nemesis, I take it as the nemesis challenging me to a fight.
Same, I LOOK for the bastard haha
...Okay, it's great to see that this finally made it's way to the workforce, but I'm a touch worried about the Nemmy in the hangar. For more reasons than just the distress pings it sent out. Though, it certainly explains why the REVINT drone net picked up an RCF flow coming from off-world. I'll check with the intel guys, see if a response was attempted.
I'm just hoping they got lost in all the commotion, and even so, I think the Rivals might be afraid of approaching the rig at this rate
1 of our teams discovered a new kind of caretaker It could move Fighting it was even more difficult It uses the same thing as the nemesis To get from the caves
God I wish that was me
Now just gotta find them
I like the two theories being
1. The rivals are elves cause well dwarves and elves have always hated each other
2. That the nemesis isn't an dwarf ai but they stole a dead dwarfs brain and used it as a computer to be inside the nemesis
Dwarf servitors is such a terrifying prospect. Even more reason to NOT die to Rivals.
"By god, it's full of stars!"
...this line scares me. I know it's probably supposed to, but... it really does feel like it's aware of itself. But what would a nemesis know of the stars? An artificial being created in darkness knowing nothing but cold metal, stone, and hatred. Perhaps, in its final moments, as it sends its final distress call, it recieves a message, its first and last glimpse of the sky thousands of meters above everything its ever known. And in its awe of the beauty it sees in the heavens, it can think of but one final message. "By god, it's full of stars."
And then it summons phase bombs. Or maybe a nearby caretaker does that.
That line is especially odd and a bit sad. If they really are constructed underground on Hoxxes IV that means that it learns about the rest of the universe RIGHT before it dies. I also wonder if the bombs are called to destroy it to prevent us from learning more about them or to euthanize the unit outright.
Plot twist: The Automatons from Helldivers 2 are the Rivals. They sent an exploratory mission to Hoxes to find a specific kind of resource to help them fight Super Earth. Eventually, one of their prospectors will find it, and the Dwarves will have to fight to prevent the Rivals machines from sending a rocket off of Hoxxes with the data.
As always, fun stuff!
Thanks for the upload, mate
"I've see things you dwarves wouldn't believe"
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Sir, it's a LITHOphage. As in ROCK disease.
The rival tech, and actually all robots, are made of metal. Which is rock.
The Lithophage would eat the rivals ALIVE.
Why do you think I wanna see it happen to bad? Lol
my personal theory is that the rival corp is composed of gnomes. elves wouldnt be concerned with hoxxes rocks at all, and goblins wouldnt make tech nearly as refined as what we see in game. gnomes, on the other hand, would definitely want the resources of hoxxes, whether it be for materials or for morkite. additionally, gnomes are too physically frail to go down there and do the mining themselves, but they do have the tinkering ability and hint of insanity to just engineer a few warcrimes to do the mining for them.
"I am definitely just pulling technobabble out of my ass here but it's fun so i don't care", to be fair we don't have any clue on what these bots are made of
All we know is that they're metallic
Also, you MIGHT wanna start worrying about nemesis, he probably got hold of his terminal entry and managed to edit it
@fongjasper8206 oops, missed that one
We should check on the rivals when where done with the rockpox they micht come back... Prepared
Another theory regarding the rivals and rockpox I've heard is that the rivals may have made or acquired rockpox from somewhere and the whole outbreak is part of a plan to discourage us from continuing operations on Hoxxes.
P. S.: Aww, BET-C made a friend!
Id be especially nervous if we found out they were able to control the Rock Pox in some way, that's a nightmare
@@siirvend That's the greatest weapon of the rivals. Secrecy and mystery. They might be just as surprised by the rockpox as we are, but there is a slim chance they were involved, and until we find out more about them we can never be sure.
The best thing we can do is not jumping to concusions.
Good to see you still kicking around, still stuck in papers i reckon?
so much paper work... so much
Relatable, still good job, don't forget to pop a drink or two for your boys. Rock and stone
One of my personal theories is that the rivals may be under control by a disgruntled employee or a hyperintelligent A.I. trying to maximize efficiency in resource extraction by phasing out the use of dwarves.
For dwarves it's about more than just profit. It's tradition and honor!
These machines barely hold a flame to a real dwarf, almost like they were made by leaf loving knife ears
Elves disgust at actually going in to the mines. They send advanced robots to make the planet theirs and harvest the materials they still need as a space faring empire. That's my head cannon.
that music is from my favorite game noita
Noita is so much fun
@@siirvend also, your guides are very good... but there is one enemy that i still don't know how to counter, that is getting stuck on structures, since you know a loot of the game, do you ever found some way to get unstuck from a pipeline on the refinery or the aquarqs launch bay? i also want to mention: in the omen module exterminator rundown video, i just found on the wiki that you can stand on top of molly to avoid the plasma pulse, i didn't remember if you mentioned that on the video
@@siirvend hi i also have a question that i couldn't find in any wiki or place about DRG, about the caretaker diamond, i want to know the diamond metrics, i want to know if the turret arc cud hurt the eye and vents, and i want to know if when the caretaker spins it destroy terrain like engineer platforms
really good video dude
What a great video :D
Whoo! More content
I theorize the Rivals have so little problem with the glyphids because of an exploitation of their instincts. Since they lack any organic bits, the glyphids likely view them as environmental hazards to be avoided instead of intruders to be repelled.
I also theorized that it was also just the fact that they float 90% of the time so to the bugs they're practically invisible
I know that the elf theory is just a theory... A GAME THE-
But it does make sense, if you look at DRG as a scifi interpretation of classic fantasy... Which it is...
- "Rivals" of Dwarves
- Technology is more sophisticated in looks and has more finesse, as opposed to dwarven practical, rough and sometimes duct-taped together
- Isolationistic and refuse to communicate with others (Implied sense of superiority)
- Do not get their hands dirty, prefering to send unmanned drones
- The dichotomy between Send in manual laborers/Use remote drones is similar in philosophy to classic fantasy Dwarf physical/Elf magical
- (Bonus about the technobabble) their "Specially constructed steel" could be a nod to Mythril or Elven steel
They're very obviously elves, or at least "Precursors", a sci-fi archetype that is often based on elves