Road Trip + CCS Fast Charging my Tesla at Electrify America | S2:E11
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2022
- In this video I test fast charging on Electrify America & other 3rd party EV charging networks using the official Tesla CCS 1 Combo adapter while I go explore the beautiful state of Minnesota & look for some lake property to purchase & build a summer home on.
Update: September 21, 2022 - The official CCS adapter from Tesla is now available on Tesla's website: shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-co...
If your car is an eligible model, but isn't CCS enabled, you can get a retrofit from a 3rd party. Here is a video on that: • How to retrofit CCS Ad...
Note: I bought this product back in June from a website called Harum.io for $310 which was $60 over what Tesla was charging in S Korea & included worldwide express shipping. They were buying official Tesla CCS adapters from the South Korean Tesla website and reselling them for a small profit.
The official version is now available on the Tesla website in the US.
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Update: September 21, 2022 - The official CCS adapter from Tesla is now available on Tesla's website: shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter
Note: I bought this product back in June from a website called Harum.io for $310 which was $60 over what Tesla was charging in S Korea & included worldwide express shipping. They were buying official Tesla CCS adapters from the South Korean Tesla website and reselling them for a small profit. The official adapter is now available on the Tesla website.
Also... The ZEF charger in this video included a $5 connection fee which is a bit ridiculous to be honest. Going forward I would probably only use those in a pinch or if I needed a full charge which would be rare as it was only a 50kW charger. With Electrify America I pay a $4/mo membership fee which then gives me around $0.31/kWh compared to the normal $0.43/kWh. You can check the Plugshare app to see what charges accompany any chargers by tapping the Info button.
@@TM-hi8jt Mine is from April 2021. I believe there was a month or two around Sept 2021 that Tesla was short on parts so they didn't include the hardware. Their site says they'll be offering a retrofit next year, but if you don't want to wait, you can add it easily yourself with genuine Tesla parts by watching this video: ua-cam.com/video/XH22SfePBho/v-deo.html
I hope you found some land you like. If so I look forward to the cabin build in the future. Looked like you had a great week. Thanks for posting.
Thanks Mark! Found some definite possibilities and yes, there will be some cabin builds on the channel in the future 😀
Thanks Bryan. Been watching your channel from the beginning but still loving it😊
Awesome! Thank you! Glad you're still enjoying it 😀
@@bryanhauer much better than other channels 😊 btw mine MY now at 31k miles😁
@@9nghia670 I really do appreciate that 🙏 You're getting up there in miles too 😀
Great vids bro!! Keep it up!!👍🏻
Appreciate that Mark 👍
Good video Bryan!!
Thank you, Jay! Glad you enjoyed it 😀
I got one of those CCS adapters from Harumio and they are well made and work fine. The locking pin on the Tesla side seems susceptible to damage so be careful with it. It does take a firm push to attach the adapter to the CCS cable from the charge station so keep at it until you hear it click. In my town there are no Tesla Superchargers but there are 2 chargepoint stalls running 250kW over either a CCS or a CHaDemo cable and they seem to work fine. I normally charge at home and am having a 220V outlet installed to up the charge rate from the very slow 110V.Thanks Bryan for your road trip videos and tips on camping and exploring out of the way places. Keep up the good info and have fun. Cheers and drive safely.
Thanks for the update, Steve! 👍🏻 Appreciate it.
Love your videos. My only complaint is that you don’t upload new videos every day! Ps, will you ever travel to the Smokey’s again? Or Asheville?
Ahhh... thanks Ash 😀 Should have a new video up tomorrow and another one this weekend. Oh and there will be some videos in the coming weeks/months from both the Smoky's and Asheville. Also plan to head down to Savannah. Thanks so much for watching as I really do appreciate it.
i like this video. you got a plan b charger. and i was surprised to see the charging speed with the adapter.
Thanks! Yep first choice will almost always be the Tesla Supercharger network, but always nice to have extra options when you’re out in the boonies 👍
Dang! A few blocks from my house and I missed ya! Belated welcome to Woodbury
Thanks! I'm in the MN area often so maybe next time 😀
Lectron adapter is another option at $249. I have 2021 Model Y and is enabled. Early January model
My worry with 3rd party adapters was always what would happen after a software update. Is there a chance of it being bricked? Hopefully Tesla just releases the official one for sale in the North America soon.
Some rest areas in California have free css charging from caltrans. I live in apple valley CA and i often make trips to las vegas, if I'm not in a hurry i charge at the rest areas for free.
Oh nice 👍🏻 What speed are they?
Plugshare incorrectly says 100kw, its a 55kw charger and I normally pull 47kW. Plenty of free caltrans towards las Vegas and Northern California.
@@DiegoMejia86 no way.
I travel to Vegas from the Bay at least 1-2 times a month. I’d love to know where these are at. What caltrans or areas?
A tip as you will likely use EA chargers a lot. If it fails to start charging then ignore the EA directions and initiate charging on the app first before plugging in the car. To save time and avoid problems most veteran EA users will initiate the charger then plug in rather than the other way around. If a session fails and you call EA customer support that’s usually the first thing they have you try
Have you tested that with Tesla's and CCS Adapters? I've been using my Model Y 2021 with the CCS adapter and I've had no issues with connecting the CCS adapter with the cord to the car prior to opening the app. I've ran into awkward situations where I'm able to charge as other people tell me that station doesn't work.
@@DiegoMejia86 no I wasn’t being specific to Tesla and CCS. Bryan will be testing that for us. Ironically Tesla does seem to handshake better with CCS than OEM do. In Europe Tesla uses CCS1. Different handle design but same protocol. And if handshakes with chargers faster and more successfully than competitor cars do. I think it’s because Tesla just has better EV and software engineers than the OEMs have.
Great new vid. How much was the lot with lake dock access?
Thanks! Only around $40k.
@@bryanhauer wow. Less than what I imagined. Could have an amazing vacation:retirement home for under $500k. Looking forward to following this journey on the channel
@@Popcornbeetle That's the plan 😀 Thanks for tuning in!
Hey Bryan aren’t those other chargers like EA about double the price of superchargers? Or no? Maybe it depends on where my superchargers are about $.26 where I live. But definitely beneficial anyway like you said in some of the more rural areas.
They’re definitely more expensive. I think around $0.41-0.45. I only use them as a backup if I know I’m going to a rural area or along a route near a National Park that might not have a Supercharger conveniently close. I used one recently on a trip to White Sands National Park in an episode coming up soon. It’s definitely handy to have the CCS adapter if you travel a lot.
Just watch your video here on Tue. The CCS1 charger in Little Falls is offline in the app I also have that ccs1 adapter from South Korea. I'm interested go up in that part of Mn to.
Hey John - I noticed it was now reporting offline too in Plugshare. That is one of the major problems with these 3rd party chargers... many of them are always broken or offline and sometimes it's weeks or more before they're fixed. Currently Tesla has the only robust and dependable charging network in the US. Hope more companies can figure it out. There's a huge space to make a ton of money there if one of them can figure out how to offer a lot of reliable chargers.
I am wondering if you guys have different Tesla connections over there, my car Model Y has a built-in CCS connector so no adapter is needed. Do you have an older connection or are they just different over there
In the US we have the original Tesla connector that is much smaller but still provides high speeds currently up to 250 kW with higher speeds coming soon. In the rest of the world specifically Europe you guys use CCS as the standard and have forced Tesla to use that there even though it’s huge compared to what we use. Same thing happened with Apple and the Lightning cable. Seems they like setting standards even if it’s not always the best choice. Because Tesla has a proprietary connection (they were the first to build one in scale) the other EV manufacturers here in the US decided to also use CCS. My guess is to make things easier around the world. Tesla US will switch too.
I noticed you didnt have your 35 quart cooler. Do you have a new and smaller cooler?
Nice catch. I do have a new one and will have a review of it very soon on the channel. 😀
I took delivery of MYLR in late September of 2021 and mine is CCS enabled.
Nice 👍🏻 Yeah it's hit or miss during that time window. Some have it and some don't. I think it depends on the exact date and which factory it came out of.
@@bryanhauer Thanks for the video. I have the same CCS adapter and have yet to test it.
@@SherwoodTaz So far so good 👍🏻
I wonder why the EA chargers have two CCS plugs on each unit? It would be nice if they used a Tesla plug instead 😁
That way cars can pull in front or back if needed and each spot between can be used. Different company so unfortunately no way that will happen as they're competitors to Tesla as far as charging as use a different standard for the plug. Luckily Tesla is adding many more charging stations weekly so should be even better coverage as they expand. These EA's are nice when they work. They're just down/broken so often it's hard to count on them.
Which app do you use to show third party chargers?
Usually Plugshare as it shows all of them and has filters based on speed and other factors. I'll occasionally I'll go directly to the charger app like Electrify America or ChargePoint to look as well.
Hey Bryan, can you explain what other tester stations are saying about the 3rd party charging? I think they all say you have to pre-condition before going to a 3rd party or it will be slow. Maybe the 50 Kw was not accurate. You didn’t precondition, prior to arrival. I think if you had, you may have seen faster charging. If not explain when I’m supposed to pre-condition.
Hi NiaG - Unfortunately you can't pre-condition a Tesla before going to a 3rd party charger although it is a feature they're rumored to be adding in the future. There's currently no way to do that besides just driving there. I had already been driving for about an hour so the battery was pretty warmed up. Currently you can only pre-condition when going to a Tesla Supercharger. You could do a workaround if you put in a nearby Supercharger so the car thinks it's going there, but if there's already a Supercharger nearby you may as well just go there. Only time I could see doing this would be if there was a long wait at a Supercharger, but a 3rd party fast charger really close by.
Pre-conditioning only really benefits you if the battery is cold due to non-use or cold weather. Neither of those were relevant here.
At this ZEF charger I was getting 43kW out of 50kW with 53% charge. That's pretty good and to be expected.
I should also add that pre-conditioning is only needed for fast charging above 150kW. It doesn't do much for anything else like this 50kW one or home charging.
Hope that helps! Appreciate the comment 😀
Update Sept 12, 2022: The newest software update version 2022.24.8 allows for Preconditioning within the Tesla App. Simply open the app and tap Schedule then toggle on Precondition.
@@bryanhauer Thanks Bryan, I didn’t want to be the deliverer of bad news when you said, if you have been driving you don’t have to pre-condition. I was told by Tesla Techs, that statement wasn’t accurate. It is why, when I’m driving cross country, after driving for 4 hours, the car starts to pre-condition, as I get close to the Tesla Charging station. At least, now with the new release, we can go to CCS stations, and do the right thing by pre-conditioning and seeing that quicker charging paces! Try it and see if you get better charging rates when you do pre-condition.
@@niag9950 I think you're misunderstanding preconditioning. I never said that you don't have to precondition. Your original question was in regards to 3rd party chargers. I was 100% correct when I said it didn't currently allow for preconditioning (3rd party) until the most recent update. Your Tesla has always automatically preconditioned for charging on Tesla Superchargers when you select a Supercharger on the map and drive to it.
Just curious but what is the monthly Fee for the community you were looking at for the lot?
I believe $120.
Do you have a remote job in addition to travelling, of how do you make a living? Off only UA-cam?
Hi Mathias! I work remotely & run a web design / dev business so as long as I have internet I can work. I am transitioning out of that more towards UA-cam, but still have a handful of clients I've worked with for many years.
How much was the charging for 15 minutes with the ccs charger ?
Can't remember exactly as this was last summer, but it was around $0.41/kWh at EA which is on the high end of what Tesla Superchargers cost.
I like the $230 price for the Tesla copycat CCS adapter - it says the metal prong is missing - so it won't lock the unit into the CCS adapter?
Haven't used that one so can't recommend it. I'd always suggest finding an official one. I'll link to one as soon as a reputable place starts selling them again. It may work great, but I'm just not sure and to limit problems after software updates, I'd always say to use the real thing.
@@bryanhauer Well I ordered the copycat and will give it a go - if I get the chance I'll report back in when I get it and try it out.
@@noleftturns That would be great! I'd love to hear how it works. It very well could be just the same so please keep me posted.
One thing I don't like is how every charging solution has its own apps. Is it just cheaper to do that instead of just putting an RF credit card reader on it? Maybe just more secure? Would love not to have 20 different apps and accounts to handle.
100%. I hate that too! I don't see that going away anytime soon either. In fact I expect more companies to get into the business. With how poor most of these 3rd party chargers are run, there's a huge opportunity for another company to step in. I imagine Elon thought the same which is why Tesla will be opening most of their North American Superchargers to non-Tesla EV's by the end of the year. It's actually one reason I may buy a car that's not a Tesla. Knowing I can use their network later this year gives me confidence in owning a non-Tesla EV. With all that said, I still think having this adapter for my Model Y opens up a lot more opportunities especially when visiting National Parks. Cheers and thanks for watching 😀
@@bryanhauer Is the plan for Tesla to open up their entire network? I thought they may just be opening some of the new V4 stations they're building. What nonTesla are you considering?
@@DblOSmith It is the plan for most Supercharger stations as long as they're not already at capacity. I'm currently looking at putting in an order on the Cadillac Lyriq AWD. I already have an order in for the Cybertruck, but who knows when that's actually going to start shipping. I'd prefer to get a truck so I can tow a travel trailer, but there's nothing on the market currently with enough range. Rivian (which looks great) and the Ford Lightning (which I don't like the look) both lose 50% of their range while towing and both only have around 300 miles of range to begin with so less than 150 isn't enough. Right now if I didn't get a truck it would be the Cadillac Lyriq.
@@bryanhauer Ah, right on. I think there are definitely some compelling EVs coming and the Lyriq looks nice. I personally just... can't trust GM. I've been burned by their crappy vehicles too many times. I like the Ford Lightning more than the Cyber Truck, and I despise the Rivian's styling. I think it's hideous. In either case, whenever you driving through Alabama in your Lyriq let me know. Drinks on me! Cheers.
@@bryanhauer Adding CCS connections is one obstacle, the other is no standard for charging port location. I constantly see cars on EA stations taking up two spots due to the location of their charging port. That will upset many Tesla drivers.
Have you considered carrying a spare tire on trips to more remote areas? I think EV Dave does this.
I haven’t. I have a tire repair kit + air compressor as well as AAA towing up to 200 miles.
It’s a great question and I’ve thought seriously about getting a Modern Spare, but they take up a lot of space and they’re not cheap. And I’d wanna take a decent jack, and the one I’ve got is not small. But having a spare tire onboard would definitely take some of the anxiety out of a big road trip. I’m hoping I never have to use that repair kit and tire pump.
@@bryanhauer Thanks for bringing up AAA. Getting that done right now - I keep forgetting to do that.
@@bluedog9935 Yep. Totally worth it for peace of mind. Make sure to get the Premier level if you plan to travel to more remote areas as it will give you a 200 mile tow as well as 3 more up to 100 miles.
Please explain again if all Teslas ccs enabled, Or is that some software update?
I believe it's newer Model 3 & Y's (think 2021 & 2022 outside of a couple months in late 2021 where they didn't include the hardware needed.) Best way is to just check you car by going to Quick Controls --> Software --> Additional Vehicle Information & look to see if it says CCS Adapter Support Enabled. If it doesn't, your vehicle doesn't contain the hardware required, but Tesla has stated they will likely offer a retrofit upgrade at some point in the future. Remember the adapter isn't officially even out yet here in America so this will probably take some time. Here's some more info: insideevs.com/news/556623/newer-model3y-tesla-ccs1-adapter/
@@Pennychaser1 Yeah it's so funny how it's hit or miss. 🤷♂
Seems Zef Energy use better if you charge all the way with $5 hook up charge tesla supercharger half that even at day time rate
Correct. The $5 connection fee at ZEF makes it only worthwhile if you're charging fully or in a pinch. For the video I just wanted to show how it worked, but you're correct. Not a very cheap option if you're just getting a little charge. As for the Electrify America charger... I pay $4/mo and then $0.31/kWh which is discounted over the normal $0.43kWH.
@@bryanhauer I think it would be smart for any charging station company to offer Tesla connection without the adapter EA rates cheaper than Tesla during the peak rates at either of their rates and only .03 more than their off peak rates so a viable option anytime especially since I see them empty everywhere and some more convenient than superchargers where I live in California
The problem is, that CCS cars need to be allowed to use St Elon charging network
They will be by the end of the year in the US and already are in Europe. 👍
Model 3 in Oz have CCS built into car. Don’t understand why US would be different
Hey Peter - It all started because when Tesla (a US company) first got going many years ago when there wasn't a worldwide standard for EV charging, so they created one. Over the years and specifically in recent years as more companies moved into the space the industry decided on CCS (but remember there was Chademo before that).
Now there are some advantages to CCS over Tesla's "proprietary" plug like overall speed it theoretically can put out, but there's also disadvantage like size. In the end Tesla created the initial standard, but the rest of the world went a different route. It's very similar to the Lightning cable from Apple used for iPhone's vs Android and the rest of the world deciding on USB-C. In that case Apple is now moving their products over to the industry standard as well.
In the end I think having standards throughout the world makes sense, but not everyone can always agree on what they should be. I mean look at AC wall outlets. North America has different wall outlets than Europe and most of the rest of the world and that's been going on for a very long time.
What company did you use to get the cas
Check out the pinned comment at the top or the description of the video for info on this. Thanks.
$5 to connect is a ripoff considering EA America has a $4.00 monthly fee for discounted pricing with no connection fees.
Agree. Some of these smaller regional chargers are out of their minds with the connection fee. I assume all that will change as more competition emerges. Luckily most of these are in small towns and not on major highways so are t used very often.
Holy crap!!! $9.50 for 10.1 kWh?!?!? That's insane. The connection charge is stupid.
Agree. Would only use those ZEF chargers in a pinch or if I was charging up fully otherwise the $5 connection fee is ridiculous. At least with Electrify America I pay $4/mo and then only get charged $0.31/kWh. I did it in this video just to show how the adapter worked. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
@@bryanhauer I'm about to embark on a 464 mile trip with a cargo carrier and a paramotor on the back of my 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus. I'm expecting about 50% range, so about 2 hours and 120 miles per charge. The CCS Adapter and Charger are silly huge! I hope Aptera and Tesla can make their charger standardized because ... seriously what is that monstrosity. !!!
Thanks for spending the money to show us! I hope I won't need to use ZEF chargers! I don't have the CCS adapter anyway, so unless they have J1772 plugs, I'll be hosed anyway. Cheers!
My recommendation is don’t tie yourself down to one place!! Stay in a rental cabin or hotel or HOA!! Or go somewhere else !!
Oh I'm definitely building a lake home in the next year in MN. It's something I've wanted to do for many many years. I've lived quite a few of the last 10 years like a nomad so having a long-term home base during the summer in MN (my favorite place to be in the world during the summer) is extremely important to me at this point of my life. I'll be building a luxury modern lake home run off of solar & wind and have plans to include one or two small cabins to rent out on the property as well. I'm super excited about it. Not 100% sure it will be one of the properties I looked at during the filming of this video, but something similar. I appreciate the comment 😀
@@bryanhauer good luck on your dream home!! Highly recommend Enphase microinverters!! Can be designed for off grid too!
I think electrify America should just have some tesla connectors instead of an adaptor wouldn't you want to poach the competition they are sitting empty most I see in California anyway and some more convenient than superchargers come on EA step it up
They have to license the tech for the charger from Tesla as it's proprietary. Luckily since it's been a while Tesla has gotten many other companies like Ford, GM and Rivian to do just that and start using the Tesla standard.
Off topic but what size is your Apple Watch in mm?
It's a 44mm Series 6.