Echo v. Daredevil, Selective Memory, and How YouTubers Trick You
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:20 Echo v. Daredevil and the responses
6:10 The 240p effect
7:29 Antiwokewarrior906 takes centre stage
9:29 Hallways, power levels, and selective memory
13:09 Criticising Glass Onion & the impression of authority
17:03 Conclusion
#echo #daredevil #videoessay
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Echo is an American television miniseries created by Marion Dayre for the streaming service Disney+, based on the Marvel Comics character of the same name. It is the tenth television series in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) produced by Marvel Studios, sharing continuity with the films of the franchise, and is a spin-off of the series Hawkeye (2021). It sees Maya Lopez return to her hometown where she must come to terms with her past, reconnect with her Native American roots, and embrace her family and community. Dayre and Amy Rardin serve as head writers and Sydney Freeland leads the directing team. - Розваги
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Edit: and just to be clear, I’ll paste here a reply I have to a viewer below: I’m not trying to convince anyone that they were wrong to like or dislike the show _as a whole_ - I’m arguing that the disproportionate response to a leaked scene’s choreography (rather than reasoned, _post-release_ critiques of editing, writing, production methods, etc) is a clear indicator of bad faith & an instructive example of the way viewers can be manipulated.
You should make a video about how geeks and gamers got into an argument with the others in one of the Friday Night Tights and exposes the grift you and everyone else has been saying that they’ve been doing for a long time.
taking on techno feudalism throwing itself into an AI psychotic break feo reality? (rubs hands briskly)
I cannot stand these guys.They are nothing but a cancer to the fandom.
Hey dude do You won't Your wife muerta .... Thinl about it the money You recibe ... No vale la pena... The risk
Dude i think you too repeating the same thing that you're against ~ Tbh In the season 1 season 2 and season 3 dd footage Matt Murdock's Stunt actor actually acts as though he's fighting continuously that's probably 1st time i've seen apart from Jackie chan bruce lee done to this detail.. 2nd. I've never seen leaked footage of Echo but when my parents said while watching the real version ;- "Why did Hollywood suddenly copying Bollywood level action scenes" I really off-ed the Echo XD.. You think my parents who are old and they brought us into Hollywood movies suddenly know what woke is ?? and You can't recognise how mismatched DD vs Echo scene.. They Loved DD season 1 scene they know enough to remember and recall it and its a typical "Bollywood" thing to make original as grounded and EPIC as it can be ( because lack of budget if movie flops people immediately go bankrupt so they have mad pressure to win )... when the same character gets popular they ignore 90% of the beauty and grounded quality they had and give us the worst version of it. lol ~ So yeah I guess My mom and dad watch Nerdrotic and Critical drinker too right ? XD
Tbh these guys are forgetting that half the appeal of Daredevil is how insanely human he is and that he's not a perfect super ninja, he's still a dude- a highly TRAINED dude but still a dude. (The other half of the appeal of Daredevil is shirtless bloody and beaten Charlie Cox in well dramtically lit scenes)
Exactly. Echo is apart of one of DD's most iconic runs with Brian Michael Bendis, David Mack, Joe Quesada etc. They aren't fans of the culture or Daredevil.
While yes, they are being WAY too hard on Echo. They're obviously doing it for views, not because they're marvel fans.
But also, Marvel is slowly on a decline. I'm sticking through it but Marvel does need to get their shit together
And what makes him so human is how he often gets beaten tf up and shows how injured he is after most of his fights. He usually takes a few days to heal before he gets back to full strength
@@ccelite3782 yeah their stories aren't nuanced and the scripts aren't tight at all. I can excuse bad CGI
@@drawsolidart in my honest opinion, just let the Daredevil writers handle all the gritty Street Level marvel shows
What I find particularly annoying about these kinds of fight being torn apart is that, if any creator listens, the only result is that we're gonna see more close-up over-edited fight scenes to cover up anything anyone might complain about instead of making something that looks exciting.
As someone who reads Agatha Christie and murder mystery. The fact that Drinker says that Glass Onion isn't "following the genre" whatever that means proves he hasn't read a lick of her work or doesn't pay attention, the misdirection and making a simple mystery seem more complex is literally how most of her books go
I feel like she also mentions how Hercule Poirot isn't British in a lot of them too 😂😂
The mystery has to be simple so when you get the reveal you beat yourself up for missing the answer all along
Except glass onion is just dumb as admitted by the lead detective
I bet he likes Hot Fuzz too, and that had the same angle as Glass Onion did - people being killed off for stupidly simplistic reasons, with the main character thinking it was more layered and complex than it really was.
"You killed this person for this reason because it would impact his business, and lead to this, which would knock on to this potential problem."
"Nah, we just thought she had an annoying laugh"
"......"
@@prospersikhwari5289 that’s the appeal of the classic murder mystery genre to me 👍
My only complaint about that fight was the same in most fight scenes in film and tv, chunks of metal and wood to the face are enacted to the same as bare fist, hardly at all. The corridor scene when someone gets hit by the butt of a gun, they stay hit.
Idk this fight scene has the same problem the later Arrow seasons had where you can tell the punches are deliberately missing and is nowhere as crisp and brutal as the 1st couple of seasons of Daredevil
So a fight scene looks bad before you are done editing, lighting, etc. Who would have thought?
Truth be told, though, I love seeing practical effects, and this sounds like a show perfect for that.
And who would've thought that when they do fight scenes, they intentionally misses or hold back because they don't actually want to hurt or kill their fellow stuntmen and actors? And that you could tell if you slow the footage down, which is not how we are meant to see it?
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"Huh... Mauler. Interesting" Is my new favorite running gag lmao
SAME. I have friends who like Mauler "because he doesn't agree with all those guys and he's neutral" and yet.... I mean look, if there's a series a murders and you happen to see the same guy hanging around every crime scene, you PROBABLY found the murderer.
@@WouldYouKindlyNot I mean, I still don't hate MauLer. At the end of the day, I see him as closer to fans of those channels. I just really don't like his choice in friends
Mauler really is the anti-SJW media personality equivalent of that rich 15-year old kid that crashed the VGAs two years ago.
@@officialmonarchmusic I mean dude if you made friends with a new person who seemed totally normal and then found out he regularly hangs with a local hate group, would you stop being friends?
At some point if you dont want to be associated with certain people, you have to stop BEING WITH those certain people.
I know this, I was in a Christian group in college that I grew frustrated with due to their, albeit mostly unspoken, nonacceptence of LGBT+ folks. Made me realize what I was a part of.
@@WouldYouKindlyNot Exactly. This is why I don't 100% stand behind MauLer. The fans of these channels are not bad people, and I don't feel like MauLer is either. That's not to say I think he's not associated with them at all, or doesn't make mistakes by promoting them, or having them on his channel, or not correcting them when they say something truly horrible
I honestly can’t stand critical drinker
Honestly, who even does at this point? The guy is a clown.
He's a clown who thinks he can review stories because he wrote a bunch of failed James Patterson knock offs.
@@WouldYouKindlyNot you mean the same James Patterson who Stephen King himself stated was one of the worst yet successful authors ever?
@@ryanporter4689 cool, so if Patterson is bad, then Drinker is worse. 😁
@WouldYouKindlyNot Well Patterson only writes about 60 to 80 pages of a story, uses focus groups to get feedback from, makes some changes to what he has written and then gives the 'story' as a treatment to whoever he's collaborated with to write the actual story using the notes and review feedback James Patterson has obtained
I don't think the Starfield pronouns guy is a grifter. I saw his Twitter and I think he's like this for real, which is even more sad.
It's a mix i think. Half genuine man child, half "oh i realize my manchild-ness is profitable"
I like how he’s just Starfield pronouns guy now
@@Kingcrimson_1456flows better then “HeelvsBabyFace”, though I wouldn’t mind calling him Manbabyface if we need a shakeup!
@@TheDiamondCore Still amuses me that he hardboiled his egghead over that miniscule little thing in Starfield.
I agree. He's indeed a whiny conservative man-child and he believes what he says.
Of course they can’t help but make a racist joke about Native Americans. They’re so predictable.
What do you expect.
They knew jack shit about their history when they reviewed Prey
I hate people who are being racist.
@@IneedgamesSays the person that believes Hollywood's portrayal of natives. Hollywood, which is all about lying and playing pretend.
@@IneedgamesNot to mention the fact that they literally used a slur towards Native Americans (squaw) in their review of it on their website, and then proceeded to double down and keep it in when they got immense backlash for it, saying that it was a period-appropriate description.
That’s like someone dropping constant n-bombs to refer to the main cast of black people in a movie set in The Civil Rights Era, and then defending it by saying that it was a period-appropriate description
They probably would have the same reaction to Kahhori from what if.
Drinker really shoots his authority in the foot when he says with his whole chest that Hercule Poirot is British 🤡🤡🤡
And dont come at me with that “well he became a British citizen” because you KNOW drinker wasn’t thinking of that shit
To me it was his rant about the "Mystery genre". Genres are made up. They're descriptive, not prescriptive. You don't go into writing a script with the thought "I want it to be this genre, so I have to follow a certain narrative structure and plot points." (well you can, and I guess it sometimes works out), most often you just write the story you want to write, and once it's done people will look at the narrative structure and plot points and go: "Well, these things kind of fit with that certain genre, so I guess this is a story of that genre."
Some of the best stories ever told, in movies, books or even video games take a hybridization approach to genre, merging some of the best traits of each genre to tell a story that both touches several different themes and appeals to a wide audience that may otherwise not be attracted to one particular genre. (Of course some of the worst stories ever told do the same thing, but badly.)
I'll fucking die laughing if he tries to course correct by going "sorry, I meant he was French".
More likely he'll just try to excuse it by going "well the character was made by a British person and and and and and--"
@@LadyDoomsinger I mean, you are somewhat right. Obviously all genres are made up. One person wrote a book and then another person mimicked it, and then it became a genre. They're conventions formed over time. Like I really like sci-fi stuff, so when i write a sci-fi thing there has to be /some/ elements relating to the genre/sub-genre I've chosen. Like yes, I don't go beat for beat following the structure seen in most sci-fi works, but if it's a space opera, it should emphasise the big battle sets with risk-taking, it might feature a romance, it might not. But at least I can sit down and go "I want it to be this genre". Because it'd be super weird to write out a space opera but when you're marketing your work to people you say it's a historical romance.
Also, you shouldn't appeal to a wide audience. It's just not realistic. Not every piece of media will appeal to everyone. It's also super limiting. Yes, generally, you would want a wide-range of people to engage with your creative piece, but you won't have the same effect. Not everyone reads, or plays books, or hell, even watch movies and/or tv. You want your artistic work to appeal to the audience you're writing for.This space opera novel I am hypothetically writing? Do I want it to appeal to the folks who read smut and talk about it on TikTok? If that's the only genre they're interested in, then probs not. Do I want it to appeal to people who like space operas and a love for queer disabled characters who win in the end? Yes, if that's what the piece is about.
I know that this comment "wasn't that deep", but as a writer, I just needed to voice my thoughts!
@@mxmissy Yeah, I didn't mean it like it's some hard rule about how you should or shouldn't write, my point was that arguing about what you can or can't do in a story, "because it's X genre" is dumb.
If something in your story doesn't fit with a certain genre, that's because your story either isn't actually that genre, you have a fresh take on the genre, or you are hybridizing genres.
As a side note, I didn't mean to imply that hybridization was the key to writing a successful story because it appealed to a wider audience, I was mere pointing it out as a potential benefit of that style of writing.
And hybridization happens more than you think - every time you watch an action movie, and the protagonist has some relationship trouble or emotional turmoil, that is technically a hybridization between the Action and Drama genres... it's just so common these days, because most people want relatable human protagonists, even in action movies, that people don't really think of it that way.
@@LadyDoomsinger fair enough! Thank you for the clarification! Very much agree with you.
Remember, if you see any of these outrage merchant's videos in your home feed, you can click on the three dots and click "don't recommend channel" and then you won't have to see them anymore. Deprive them of the engagement they so desperately crave.
I started watching them bc of Drinker whom I found around the captain Marvel thing I enjoyed their rants for a few months. They really hate these things and also they are on the first day of the first show for star wars and Marvel so they can shill out the videos as soon as they can but eventually I just couldn't take it anymore bc they just go on these hours and hours of rant about they don't like this they don't like that a person can only take certain amount of somebody just complaining day and night so I unsubscribed from most of them but they still popped up on my recommendation feed I had to don't recommend this channel for like straight 3 to 4 weeks before I finally stopped getting their videos in the feed
@@jiga6832 Same here, eventually you just start noticing how shallow and nonsensical the "cirtiques" are and tbh it just plain gets annoying after awhile. They almost never post anything positive or constructive and when they do it's usually on media that has been analysed to death before and better. Leftist and politically neutral youtubers aren't immune to this either, but at least with them you get actual constructive arguments as to why a piece of media is lacking instead of just "has minority therefore bad".
i remember i was watching his review of star trek discovery and he just started saying "this show has so much diversity, diversity, diversity, diversity, body positivity" while a bunch of black and asian characters flashed on screen and then an actress who was a litttle chubby for "body positivity", and i clocked.
Wait a second that's not a critique that's just saying there are black and asian people in the show and insinuating it as a bad thing, that's weird as fuck and then i realised there's a weird "this character isn't *normal like me* so this show is made worse as a result" moment in a lot of his reviews so i stopped watching them cus they were taking me out
they keep popping up even with i say no to youtube its annoying sometimes >.>
I doing the same thing with this channel.... Thank you....
12:46 This bit on the impression of knowledge is all you need for people to trust your word really rings true. Especially in the wake of Jame Somerton and his fall from grace, dude was pulling shit out of his ass and plagiarising word for word other peoples essays but since he *sounded* smart and like he knew his stuff people and myself included bought it. Suggestion is a powerful thing
I fuckin loved the fight. Daredevil popping in was like a jumpscare. They absolutely killed that scene. Thank god im not 15 and blindly following these fools.
Your pointing out Mauler clearly not being a centrist/"apolitical" against the never ending comments that say he is will always be my favorite running gag
But seriously, what did you expect him to do, move to the left after being harassed for criticizing for not liking movies?
@PillarofGarbage I found that particular comment so bizarre because like... no, you weren't asking him to move to the left, like he could easily just dissociate from the right wing political channels he collaborates with and just do apolitical content.
Mauler suffers from a case of "Tell me who your friends are and I'll know who you are."
@@PillarofGarbage Likeing***
And despite this I still like to his cynical reviews now and then. He uses less ad hominems or weird "im not a bigot/racist/mysogynist, but..." remarks like Little Platoon does.
I thought that fight was really cool. One really cool part I liked that some people thought was a mistake I guess, is when she delayed her kick that was actually a really smart move to fake it out and then go through with it
Of course the fight scene looks fake without sound. Actors never actually punch each other in movies. I've edited action before and trust me punch sound effects (mainly) and editing are what makes punches seem real.
I thought that actors not actually punching each other was common knowledge, but I guess to these people, it’s not.
@@TheDiamondCore I guess they also think Keanu Reeves personally maimed and killed like 100 people in the John Wick series…. smh
Steven Segal hits ppl look it up
Jackie Chan's stunt team do hit each other, but with cushioned shoes and props. His whole documentary "My Stunts" is out there on UA-cam for you to watch and it's fascinating, but you really can't expect most stunt performers to perform on that level. Even then they make a point of showing you the seams with all the outtakes at the end of his movies.
No it’s looks fake because it’s a bad fight scene
Whenever Echo goes for a very enthusiastic walk, she asked her enemies in sign language how's their health plan.
Apparently it was great.
And in the post credits scene, Echo signs to the audience that the Jesus Statue in Rio wants a hug.
DROPPING THE FORMALITIES!
Echo... go for a walk!
Jesús wants a hug!!!!!
I see what you did there!
She has very enthusiastic walks.
(Stand aside Jojo, Hellsing Abridged is the new reference Ruler!)
*"Don't forget to give me super thanks."*
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Your analysis of the critics....was art.
Jolly damn well done.
“critics” should really be in quotation marks there
@@TheDiamondCoreFr
@@TheDiamondCore everyone who has an opinion on any artistic work is a critic, it's not too hard to become one
Actors in fight scenes don't actually punch each other!?!?
What madness is next, The Undertaker isn't really a wrestling zombie drawing power from an urn containing the ashes of his family!?!?
In wrestling, it's very noticeable, but nobody complains about it 😂
Wait a sec. Wrestlings fake?
I mean sometimes actors and performers make contact. It’s usually an accident and they feel awful about it though.
Echo vs Daredevil was pure unadulterated awesomeness.
The choreography, the lighting, how visceral it was! Yes, more, please!
It was great but some of those hits I can tell they weren't landing, looked a bit too staged, like that knee she did to him seemed so weak lol
@@thenaiam You've never actually seen a good show have you? Sad. Go watch the first season of Daredevil. Where the Stuntmen didn't have to wait to be kicked and punched. Where the action SOLD the scene instead of this soulless, bloodless slop.
@@Slitheringpeanut I hear you and your point is fair. We probably watch the same shows (watched Daredevil way back; for something newer I did just watch Blue Eye Samurai), though I'm probably just a lot easier to please.
@@Hunterese123Agree with you on the knee, but to be fair, there were a lot of times during fight scenes in the MCU Netflix shows where hits or punches obviously didn’t land but they tried to play it off as if they did. Just look at the final fight between Daredevil and Kingpin in the DDS3 finale for example
I'm so glad I got out of just being one of the haters shown in this video.
Now I have time to actually make things inline with the media I consume.
not just assume something is "all bad" but find the nuance and see things from others perspectives -- and most importantly to integrate into my own work.
And just be happy.
Sounds like a great plan!
Good for you man
@@PillarofGarbage Amen!!
I couldn't agree more (👍)!
Well done! We need more nuance in media criticism these days. Hate baiting gives you more clicks, so kudos for getting out of the cesspool.
SKIP TO THE END EDITED COMMENT FOR REAL OPINION
I thought it was fine. I will say, considering DDs feats in his series, the implication of netflix being all the way Canon, I do wish the fightwere a little more 60-70% him gaining on her, to her 30-40%, only bc, if its true that Netflix DD = Canon, you're talking a vet vigilante vs echo on her (BIG SPOILERS) literal 1st job in that scene.
EDIT: you're right about the rose tinted memory haul thing. I was wrong. Feel free to ignore my OG comment
It's possible that Matt was deliberately going easy on her. His radar sense might have alerted him to the fact that this was Maya's first night on the job.
@@OverlyPositiveFanboy that's not a superpower daredevil has
2:00 Just throwing a reminder that Ryan Kinnel was upset because The Batman (2022) had "Too many black people that are good and not bad" ua-cam.com/video/GFC5jwjNXU0/v-deo.html
No, he was just upset that the movie was stereotyping rich people as all white.
@@benjaminguzman8645 he specifically said "too many good black people." If he meant what you just wrote that he meant he should have worded it better
5:29 I was one of the people who didn’t see the leaked footage and the DD fight looked *FINE.* this is one of my issues with MCU overconsumption. If we watch these projects the way they were intended to be watched, I think we’d all enjoy them more. No leaks, no shot-for-shot overanalyzing.
Ah yes, we are watching the movies the wrong way. Might as well stop watching it.
It's just an opinion, that's all what criticism is about. You may disagree with them and enjoy your MCU show and nobody is going to blame you for it
@@TheDetectiveEngineer, leaks aren’t the movie though. They’re the out of context pre-worked scraps of a movie. That’s like saying you won’t eat bacon because the skin and hair of a pig you ate off the ground at a meat packing plant made you sick
@@Nortarachanges never said they are. His argument is that we are overconsuming the MCU, but to tell you the truth people are consuming same amount as they were before. I was watching regular videos theorising about the MCU till Endgame and it still was very enjoyable. Why is it that only afterwards I am unable to enjoy it? His argument: you're watching movies wrong.
But consider this, you frequent a restaurant, you have loved it for years but lately the food there has been of declined quality. Because you have eaten there for a long time you still want to give them a chance. You go there time after time, still it is bad. Now before you go there you look through the window, the food looks nasty and you tell the other people around that the food is bad.
Is it not now accurate to say that if something looks bad probably it is going to be bad.
PS: so with out of context scenes you cant criticise on the quality of Choreography and try to predict what the final product is going to be like? Is it not what film prediction is and are many channels not doing it about the casting of the movies or generral plotlines and some such? Or is it only allowed to say positives about the upcoming project?
@@TheDetectiveEngineer , I do not believe you have to like Marvel or anything that Marvel is doing currently. We obviously have different tastes. You’re allowed to not like it. You’re allowed to tell other people you don’t like it. You’re allowed to tell other people they might not like it. You’re not allowed to tell me to not like it when I say I do
I love Phase 1-3. But there’s Phase 4 stuff I love too. And there were bad Phase 1-3 projects, let’s be real. Complain all you want. I’m just tired of people making it their whole occupation, their whole personality, to make She Hulk is awful jokes. Especially when I thought She Hulk was hilarious. One of my favorite of the Disney+ shows. Madisynn is an utter delight, and I want her and Wong to do a Riftrax together. You don’t have to like it. There’s so much out now, we can just do this like the comics and only follow the heroes we like and maybe some crossover events if we trust the writers. Even if everything were amazing, there’s just too much in hours to keep track of otherwise
When I saw the fight scene my immediate thought was, "Geeks are gunna hate this." I could just imagine them "How can she fight Daredevil in episode one?? He went toe-to-toe with Shehulk!" But then I remembered they didn't actually watch that show.
"Take away sound it's 1000x worse"
They don't even try, do they?
Next time: when we added fart noises to everything the women said they all sounded like dumb woke idiots! What won't woke Hollywood do!?
Are you talking to a mirror again?😂😂😂
I went into Echo blind of all the “controversy”. I liked it, and while it was not what I expected, I did like it both as a viewer and indigenous person. It has flaws, but it has heart, that beats with passion and ambition that I love. Seeing Maya go from a rising villain to a growing hero was was a great character arc to watch.
It’s kinda sad to see the show is being overshadowed by all this negativity from these guys over the first episode, and it feels like this show was targeted if I’m being honest.
Something that I was kind of wondering about while watching it is why the decision was made to make Maya Choctaw. Comic Maya is Cheyenne and it just seemed like such an arbitrary change that I imagined there must be some kind of business reason for it. Actors, consultants, filming locations, I am real curious what that was because I imagine it had to be a discussion at some point.
ATP, about every Marvel project is now targeted. They're kinda screwed in that sense. I always say to let people have things they like about Marvel without overhating and blindly following the weird Anti's from YT. Those people shouldn't really be worth anyone's time and they shouldn't have people be influenced by their videos and opinions as well honestly.
The show is grifting off people like you by the way.
@@sabersin7694 what is the grift exactly?
Alas, Father Garbage has once again graced us with a beautifully nuanced dissection of the drunken one and his army of buffoons.
(Awfullly tapped out of the relevant discourse, despite adoring Daredevil, so I'm particularly excited for this effort.)
The "Drunken One" sounds like a cosmic horror/dark medieval fantasy Eldritch Abomination and it's great!
They aren't buffoons. (They are still in the relevant discourse.)
Exactly and it’s good too it keeps people talking and having Debatable discussions, And keep people aware as well. I’m glad that you see that Hope you have a good wonderful day.@@trevturp6891
@@trevturp6891 Remaining in the discourse does not automatically denote they're meaningfully contributing to it.
I love hearing middle-aged men tell me how everything was better back in the day. As a middle-aged man myself, it takes me back to my youth.
And as a middle-aged man who as a youth was....well, these guys, that's definitely a place I want to be.
After a few episodes of Echo, I decided to search "echo woke" to see what these guys were saying, and when I saw the "worst fight ever" thumbnail, I thought it was gonna be about the finale lol. I couldn't believe they stretched that fight in the first ep to such an issue 😅 I also think it's funnyy that they hold Daredevil in such high regard when if his show came out today, he'd be a "woke pandering hero with a sensory disability" bc he's blind. Or maybe being a white dude makes one immune to that criticism still?
No he wouldn’t be a woke pandering hero…. He’s daredevil. He’s blind and he’s played true to the character in the Netflix series
Immediately Disney switched up echos power set to be about strong women.
Immediately EVERYTHING became about deaf indigenous and disabled
How can you not see the difference?
@@daltonbuchholz5061 bc there is no difference. His powers are entirely about his disability. You just refuse to engage with Echo's character outside of her disability and heritage.
Daredevil-19999 and Daredevil-616 are also entirely different beings. They live in entirely different realities. Learn how Marvel works before you try to infect the fandom with your conservative brain rot...
Critical Drinker and his fellow UA-camrs: *mock Echo with their biases and already jumping to conclusions*
Pillar of Garbage: "My normal calm had been compromised."
Tbh. Drinker was right with one thing. Making the character suddenly have powers that are lazily tied to their lineage is an over played and ridiculous trope that harms the actual story and flow. And man, her getting her "powers" which includes good shooting, fighting, and...magic healing? And lending it to her grandma was absolutely ridiculous and Kingpin not resolving anything with Maya is so unbelievably forced and dumb. As whole I did like it. But I am noticing the patterns and it would have been so simple to just, not do that.
A broken clock is right twice a day
Wait she got powers? Superpowers? Legit? I thought the whole point of the Marvel Highlight brand waa so there'd be some distance between it and the main MCU.
Coming from the same guy that uses Deus Ex Machina in his own book, yes Will Jordan aka Critical Drinker uses Deus Ex Machina and female power in his own books, don’t believe me, go read DARK HARVEST or REDEMPTION or maybe not they're God damn awful, fricking Hypocrite 🤦
@@dimitryanyanwu7681 i will say this. I don't like the drinker. Did not know Abt the ex machina stuff which is pretty hilarious to me. However, drinker or not, it's still a trope that is overplayed and underwhelming.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom The Netflix characters have legit powers, no one complains
I gotta say, I wasn't the biggest fan of this show. It wasn't horrendous (up until the last episode), but it was only watchable.
That however was in no way any of the casts' fault. The biggest issue for me was the way the writers changed the character. Introducing superpowers other than her mimicry just doesn't work, I think.
How was it not good? I mean not for you sure, but the show was interesting and engaging, I think it was more than “watchable,” Falcon was watchable, this was interesting and different than the other Marvel shows
Yes, the writers, directors and upper chain of command are like 75%+ at fault. However...the actors must take some of the balme when it comes to just bad acting. Like 100% of the other Disney made movies/shows, they focus 95% of their attention on DEI vs Story/Good Actors. So we are getting actors that fit their minority narrative (agenda) of the series (popularity). Instead of actual good/deserving upcoming and veteran actors. Let us be real...even if you kinda like them, actors like Iman Vellani, Alaqua Cox , Hailee Steinfeld and etc, were not chosen because of their acting skills. They were chosen for being female and/or minorities and that is it!
Seeing just the scene and nothing else, you could maybe make a Devil's Advocate argument for people willing to hear it. "Women are weak, woke woke woke, she would literally explode in one punch."
But even just seeing the Hawkeye series, we know she can go toe-to-toe with impressive male fighters, clowning on dudes in the boxing club and posing a decent threat to Hawkeye/Ronin. So then it becomes about Daredevil, a legit superhero who can take out guys ten times his size, because he is so awesome... Except wait. No, Daredevil is just a dude. His power lets him see in the dark and read people's heartrate and stuff. It's helpful in stealth, but not hugely useful in any other kind of fight. He's basically just Batman, and not roided up comics Batman, but the normal human one from most movies. So this is two semi-realistic, peak-class normal human fighters in a room. And she only survives without a concussion because she keeps going for a shotgun and Daredevil has no reason to stick around. It's not even her strength that saves her ultimately, but her wits and his lack of interest. It's a totally reasonable way to hype up our new protagonist, like Ant-Man vs. Falcon. They don't win, exactly, but they're competent enough against someone we see as impressive. Again, maybe you don't like women being portrayed as not being made of cardboard, but based on what we've established, this is totally reasonable. You're now critiquing the franchise, not just this show.
Except, even that falls apart when you've watched the entire episode, which starts by introducing the literal demigod she's descended from. You can't even use the same "women are weak" logic that these chuds cling to. It's basically like complaining that Wonder Woman shouldn't be able to punch men out because she should be weaker than all human men, despite being a demigod in the movie. It's total nonsense, projecting their flimsy ideas about reality onto a fictional narrative about a magic woman.
Hey buddy. So you used the comparison of Ant-Man beating Falcon as Scott "outsmarted Falcon". This is wrong. Falcon had no knowledge of Scott's abilities on top of the fact that Scott's abilities are downright superior. Daredevil is hailed by stick, the hand and fighters of KunLun as being the greatest fighter known. He has even defeated Iron Fist in hand to hand (without the fist). So to say that Maya who has not one, but two disabilities neither of which grant her super powers defeats him in hand to hand because she beats up boxers in a gym is down right ridiculous. The fight itself is choreographed in such a retarded way that allows for her to survive when Matt would know of and break her prosthetic. And would have known to prioritize her instead of the other guy who tackled him, because he would've already sensed what she was attempting to grab.
Maya also should not have been able to compete against Hawkeye who scales to Black Widow, the winter soldier and fuckin Black Panther. Again it would work if her training, experience or power set was on par with these characters. But of course, they are not.
The show does everything it can to boost Maya up, as all new Gen mcu films and shows have done, without actually putting in the work to just justify the status were supposed to hold her to.
Putting aside who can best whom, I think they were criticising how bad the choreography of the fight was. They referenced the fight between assoka and Anakin in assoka show, how it felt like an extremely trained actor was accomodating for someone who had little to none training in the choreography. And as @jaybailey8175 pointed out they did not show the level of skill Echo had. And from what we gathered from the hawkeye show and the start of the Echo, yes he would wipe the floor with her. That is the reason people don't even bat an eye when Barton was struggling against Natasha. They showed us the level of skills they possessed over the years. And were played by extremely talented actors who did an extensive training for the role. It felt real, grounded and above else it showed the hardwork that went into it from both actors and production crew.
@@jaybailey8175 First, my exact words were, "They did not beat them exactly", so I have no idea where you got "Ant-Man outsmarted Falcon" or "Maya defeats Daredevil." What I actually said was that Maya was quick-witted and "survived without a concussion" because she knew she was at a disadvantage and kept trying to flee or get a weapon. If your position is so strong, then why do you feel the need to lie about mine?
Then again, if you want to talk about the fictional characters who think Daredevil is a good fighter, then you've brought us back to the fiction, so the *literal Demigod* introduced at the start of the episode shows exactly why Maya would "scale to" normal human fighters like Matt.
@@TheDetectiveEngineer If they just wanted to complain about the choreography, why use such a terrible quality of video? You might say that the first episode wasn't out yet, so this is all they had, but if you watched the video you're commenting on, you'd know that this has been a pattern. The show's out now, so why not review the polished version of the entire first episode?
Speaking of which, if you watch the episode, it actually *does* show Maya's level of skill. Incidentally, it even does that in the exact same way Netflix did for Daredevil: by having her take out a room full of armed men. This happens immediately before Daredevil shows up. So you could say she should be more tired, but not that we don't know her skill.
@philipvipond2669 Maya does not unlock those powers until much later. So again, she should stand no chance against Matt, who already scales far above her. You also keep referencing her "surviving without a concussion" as a positive on her character where as that is a issue with the writing and choreography as she is hit in the head several times by daredevils baton which has been known to fuck people up with one hit. Hell, she doesn't even get scratched. Fuckin Kingpin got cuts the first time he faced Matt with the batons.
And again being quick witted doesn't mean shit unless you have the strength to act on it. Someone who was quick witted was Matt when he fought Bullseye in DD season 3. Where he would use his powers and his high level fighting experience to throw off Bullseyes superior abilities. But because the writers of that show had brains all of that strategy still meant fuck all to someone who has vastly superior abilities to Matt. The same logic SHOULD apply here. But the writers could not think of any proper feasible ways to do that and instead just have her beat Matt hand to hand whilst being double disabled and far less experienced. Then have her escape fuckin Daredevil who can track people across the city.
Also, buddy, it isn't lying. It's miswording. From an understandable point of view, Ant Man's escape and Mayas escape are Victories given their conditions for victory in their scenarios.
2:37 the fun thing about this bingo card is that virtually everything on the top half of the board could be the free space
I'm 3 episodes in and my early reaction was "I dunno man it seems like it would be pretty hard for even the 'MsheU' crowd to get riled up about this" because even though we have a character representing several groups I haven't sniffed an ounce of pandering or anything forced at this point. Yes she is these things but the show doesn't make it all about any of them, it's just a character cracking skulls to Rob Zombie. But then I remembered she's still a female, deaf, disabled, native character so of course they're complaining no matter what.
I honestly feel like so far Echo is exactly the kind of show these idiots claim they want when they go on their "I have no problem with female characters I just don't like the forced agenda" spiel.
All these aspects are reasonably low key they just happen to be bits of who the character is without being the primary focus but we know that doesn't really matter to these CHUDs.
Oh and I thought the fight scene with Daredevil was pretty cool honestly
Ah, but you Forget! Most of the Show is about Maya's Family, who are LOUDLY Native American and proud of it, and they Exist as who they are, so OBVIOUSLY it's About "Race Politics"... Right?... Oh, and a Lot of the show's Conversations is done in Sign Language, which means that they'd Need to READ to understand anything going on... And these People Can't read, so it's no wonder they've lost the plot....
(Just saying, the various Marginalized Group things she's part of ARE part of the Story and they ARE in your face about them, But like, It shouldn't Matter, She can't STOP being Native, she can't Stop being Deaf and her Leg isn't suddenly gonna Regrow, so if they're gonna be there, why not Include them in the story in a way that isn't Reductive? They're just Part of herself, and Aside from needing to fix her Leg at one point and Some people trying to Scream at her because she can't Hear them and she can't Talk, those traits are never Really Shown as being Negatives, they just ARE.)
the scene was so fucking good. I hope Marvel won’t fuck up Daredevil in the new show, but just seeing Matt kicking ass again was so satisfying
Ive been off internet discourse and thought this was a pretty solid sequence with some clever hidden cuts and smooth camera movements
This is such a really really good video, well done!
The “everything-is-woke” crowd is continually getting more annoying every single day, it seems they can’t be competent enough to learn how to actually critique stuff for the life of them.
The fight scene was perfectly fine, yet they must be mad at something before the show releases, so why not be mad that a person wasn’t actually punched in the face IRL?
Anyway, can’t wait for that one dude with the rotten tomato splatter as his PFP to come to this comment section to “defend” his precious creators again just like what happened with the Nerdrotic video! Will be some fun entertainment coming here tomorrow.
It’s very clear most of these guys are comically inept idiots who don’t have any actual credentials to back their bullshit. They thrived in early 2010s because most of us were dumb ass teenagers who didn’t know better now that we’ve grown up… we know better.
Splatter guy is God’s strongest solider
They’re starting to become just as, if not more annoying and irritating than the actual “woke” crowd
Everything being woke is also very annoying every single day as well.
Well I guess they have found their target audience with you. I do not think this show is fit for consumption but other people might. People like junk. Just don't expect to be respected or considered decent if you do. If you like junk then maybe you are junk. Selfish attitudes are not considered a good quality.
Remember when they say something racist it's just jokes bro. But in the same line these guys get really in they're feelings if you say anything about straight yt men ie Brie Larson.
Great job. I am glad this showed up in my feed I really enjoyed this. I enjoyed the fight scene as a person who taught the Martial Arts for a decade I know a little about the complexities of choregraphing a fight, this was a good fight scene. 2 things about that 1- a boxer fights with their hands standing up, there are legal targets to strike while a martial artists has no illegal areas. 2) this is a comic book thing - Echo power in the comic book is her ability to copy anyone's fighting style similar to Taskmaster. connecting that to the show her father told to learn by watching. So yes she could go toe to toe with DD. I am a subscriber now, looking forward to more videos.
Echo’s problem is that it feels like two shows: the New York-based continuation of Daredevil and Hawkeye it was largely marketed as, and the cultural exploration of the Chocktaw that it spends most of its time in. The problem is that it doesn’t quite work as either; if had wanted to be the former, it should have set the show in New York, limiting the Oklahoma part to a one or two episode excursion. If it had wanted to be the latter, it should have chosen a villain and conflict more intricately tied to Oklahoma and Chocktaw culture. They try to merge the two worlds but ultimately fail. The fact is that Kingpin as a character is defined by his love of New York, and so he feels wildly out of place in this story.
The Choctaw storyline almost feels like a season 2
It's her upbringing in conflict with her heritage. It made perfect sense to me
I agree. It left both parts underdeveloped. I thought the beginnings of the show was really engaging but the final episode lost me almost completely. Honestly this was a case of having to few episodes hurting the show.
They didn't try to merge anything and makes perfect sense! It's an origin story season. But I guess you do not understand a damn thing about characters development, don't you? 😀
And neither do you.@@AlessioAlessi
Watching it again, I realized something. Daredevil was playing with her, like he would with Elektra or Black Widow. He's Matt Murdock. This is flirting.
For real Not to mention the Upped Intensity of the Action choreography we only got this type of camera movement twice in daredevil.
That daredevil corridor scene breakdown actually made me kinda sad :( I'll never be able to look at it again with full immersion
(Even still, some of those fake punches were REALLY close to being actual punches, like, holy shit their dedication
DD season 3 fights are even worse. Charlie wanted to do more of the stunts itself, and it shows. More than half of the hits don’t even convincingly look like they make contact. That being said, everything together (music, sound effects, full speed choreography, and general suspension of disbelief of a blind ninja kicking ass) still makes DD an incredible series, with season 3 being some of the best of the show.
I apologise for pulling the curtain back there, but I think that’s the wrong takeaway. If you distorted and picked apart and slowed down _most_ things, you’d see the seams. The Daredevil hallway fight - like everything else in these shows and films - was always a performance, but I don’t think making that clear takes away from its quality - if anything, it makes even more apparent the training and dedication that went into selling such a complex sequence to viewers so successfully.
@@thechad4485that hallway fight in season 3 wasn’t bad with him doing most of it though, it wasn’t quite as good as the other ones but it was still exciting
@@TonyJaaFan1587 I’m not saying it was, as a whole. But the execution of the choreography can be easily scrutinized and made fun of, when separated from context, music, stakes, etc. but with all of those things added, it’s damn near perfection, and it’s easy to let those small things slide. But these trolls online are doing that to the fight scenes in Echo, which shows how biased they are, and where their real problems with the show lie.
I don't agree with all of your content but for real, those FM mfers are toxic.
Can't even try to change their narrative for once for the new year at least, nope, go right on the everything-is-woke content-algorithm meta.
And it's something i get really tired of: youtubers stuck in their echo-chambers and radicalizing their audiences badly.
I'm definitively done with those type of content going forward, at least you are trying to be more open in your content, I subscribed to your channel.
Good work !
They ruin everything
Yeah, I'm thankful that I no longer follow these types of people.
@@cyborgparrot1996
Same
"Don't believe me? Good, I'm just one sucker with a microphone." shows exactly why I do believe you. You've proven yourself as trustworthy enough times, and I've double checked things you've said that have intrigued me before. You've shown enough times that you care about truth and providing a new and interesting perspective to things and because of that I regard you as one of the best critics and video essayists on this platform.
Smart move to double check things here and there. Leaving aside that you end up knowing one more true thing about the world (and one less false thing) I've found that the most effective way to curate your own personal list of trusted media commentators is to check how often they're misrepresenting or cherrypicking sources. If you check someone's facts 3 times and they were lying or misrepresenting (or misunderatanding) 2 or 3 times, that is not generally a source worth keeping in your media diet.
bro when i first watched this fight scene i genuinly thought everyone would agree this is one of the best fights in the mcu, but here we are
once again surprised by marvel, but dissapointed by the fans
Agatha Christie would never hide information. I mean, just look at The Murder of Roger Ackroyd oh wait.
I just have genuinely thank you for fighting the good fight. I'm at the point where I've started to resign myself to the fact media literacy is dying before my eyes thanks to these people, but seeing you and others just tackling the nonsense head on gives me hope.
I think the majority of people who feel like us just don't interact with the media analysis sphere, making it seem like there's proportionally more of these dipshits (crit. drinker etc.) than there actually are.
At least that's what I tell myself to sleep at night lmao
Is there a way to tell UA-cam I'm not interested in the whole woke vs anti-woke culture war videos? Like, why can't a geek simply watch geek videos without it being a bunch of political arguments for/against either side that have nothing to do with the media in question? I had to remove so many channels from my recommended feed but they keep popping up over and over again, and you can't filter search results at all. For every one HiTop films there are 10 CriticalDrinkers, it just makes me not want to interact with video essays and critiques. Even under ScreenJunkies and HISHE there are lots of anti-woke crybabies or equally annoying "Marvel can do no wrong" defenders, the discourse gets shifted every time.
@@bloodymares cinemastix sounds like a channel that would be up your alley. Other than that you just gotta keep unrecommending channels. The algorithm learns eventually, it just takes a while for it to catch on
I went into the entire show without hearing any discourse, and I really liked it! The Daredevil fight scene was cool and a good way to establish Maya’s skill set. It’s not incredible, but it was fun and I loved it.
I hate tem too Pillar. Ryan, Theory and Drinker are fucking pathetic.
On the DD fight, i saw a blurry photo on FB but not the entire fight which was nice.
Considering who drinker associates himself with he’s not the worst but he can do so much better.
@@Kingcrimson_1456 i'm in agreement
I've been looking for a channel like this for a while. This is awesome
Awesomely bad😂😂
@@ploppill34At least he's not racist.
Its awful. Man its sad people can rate this guy
Thank you so much for your hard work.
I actually liked this show against the better judgement of M-She-U whiners. But man, they couldn't at least have made her ancestral powers be mimicing people's fighting moves and left it at that?
The director said that her comic powers are lame and too similar to Taskmaster. I assume she specifically chose to make the character Choctaw, which is not in the comics, to give her a more creative set of powers, but to also give her a set of powers that made sense for the story being told.
@@DarthTingleBinksi hate these writers are clearly so embarrassed by the source material so they try to shove in their oc writing. Maya should have kept her original power set because this nonsense the show went with didn't work
@@blurryperson2685 It's not embarrassment, you moron. It's simply a change from the comics to differentiate from her another villain in the MCU which most people hated because *woman.* Also, she's correct. It's a pretty lame power.
I don't hate the idea of her new powers. I even like that it affects all of the ancestors*. But we didn't see her use her original powers that much. And didn't get as much attention in the climax
Edit: descendants
I'd hardly call their shitty takes "better judgement" lmao, but yeah, the power change took me by surprise too. tbh I would've preferred for Maya to be powerless
Man, I seriously can't even imagine, nor do I ever want to know what the Anti-sjw communities reaction to Hazbin Hotel on Amazon Prime when that premieres
Not gonna lie, I kinda want to see how they would react, and how so many would bash them for whining about the LGBTQ+ representation or how it’s “twisting faith”, and then so many more people finally becoming aware of their bigotry and their downfall will happen.
Isn't it already a show?
@@arbitarious it is it’s first season just hasn’t officially premiered yet, it’ll premiere on January 19th
@@Joseph_R._Azevedo but I thought the show came out years ago
@@arbitarious that was just the Pilot for the cartoon, the rest of the official show with the properly established lore, character design, and premise comes out on the coming Friday.
Some of this drama nonsense I actually only hear about from your channel (although sadly not all) so yeah I had no idea about any of this and when I saw this scene I just went 'fuck yeah Daredevil'. I still need to watch the rest of the episodes but I'm broadly enjoying Echo tbh. But then I also enjoyed Ms Marvel and She-Hulk so...
well, that’s because Ms Marvel and She Hulk were good 😎
@@PillarofGarbageno
@@PillarofGarbage They were indeed
Ms Marvel was a joy to watch. Iman’s enthusiasm is contagious. ❤
She-Hulk... good... Well, that explains your channel name. Sorry, but seriously, the writing was CRAP, the CGI was CRAP (due to Disney underpaying and rushing the VFX teams), the plots were nonsensical (Wong is just... no...)... Just awful. @@PillarofGarbage
The “Matt would knock tf out of Maya” point is so stupid. Daredevil has kissed move pavement than women and that’s just in his own show let alone the comics where Maya actually beats Matt up a few times. And more importantly, echo has a similar power set to task master, she can perfectly copy another persons moves, including their fighting prowess. So if DD is a master boxer, Maya is now too. It’s what makes her such a dangerous fighter. That’s why she’s called ECHO!
This is why you’re my favorite UA-cam channel!!!
"For the unforgivable crime of making a good Star Wars movie“ 😂I love you man
I actually thought that matt was too strong in that fight scene. Because when he fights in the Netflix series you see that alot of times he doesn't win easily. He falls and he bleeds, I really like that. But in the echo fight scene he doesn't even seem exhausted and it seems too easy for him. I thought that the fight scene itself was a very good fight but I would rather see Matt struggle a bit more.
And then he runs away when he has a clear upper hand.
I thought it was effectively coming in partway through of one of his episodes and something happened, because I don't think he'd have run away unless something was going on. I'd assume we're getting the rest later, but that's too much belief for me to put on Marvel Studios.
The Poochie gag really got me at 9:28 lol Nicely done haha
I have a feeling their fans are gonna storm this video pretty soon and not make good faith arguments and resort to insults.
It's been an honor.
What a strange prediction. That isn’t their style at all!
@@PillarofGarbage you’re right man I’m being silly
@@PillarofGarbage "Let them come! Frostmourne hungers!" - Lich King Arthas Menethil
@@PillarofGarbage Not going to lie, your hallway fight mock-up pick-apart is going to be their easiest target. Not saying I don't agree with you either, but I could probably convince a lot of people that you're spitballing. (Which isn't saying much, seeing as these people are already ignoring the other stuff these UA-camrs do) All I'm saying is watch your back
The Chud Bingo Sheet is very useful
So let me get this straight: a media giant creates a line of bad/mediocre tv shows and movies, alienating its fan base and stripping it of any kind of joy ("hey, the comic book I love is getting a Movie/TG show") and then you are surprised that critics get salty?
You absolutely did not get anything straight.
@Dread.gaming I think you got this right.
@@benvigus8705we will agree to disagree.
So let me get this straight (insert a bunch of wrong shit)
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8:07 honestly, i never notice these things until they are pointed out. Really proves your point haha
I went in to this show almost completely blind and I thought this sequence was awesome. Brought back my daredevil nostalgia in a big way.
I remember watching a review from a guy who LOVES Marvel, like his channel is completely dedicated to it, constantly hoping that it will get better, and even he was exhausted by getting bad product after bad product when he watched Echo.
So did he end up liking Echo?
@GustEdgeOfficial He was a reviewer, so he got access to the first 3 eps. He watched the first two, turned it off and went on essentially a rant about his disappointment.
@@Azrael__what is his name
Happy New Year, Pillar of Garbage!!!
Happy new year Aliminator!
so, I’ve been a big fan of the Netflix Daredevil series for a while, and I’ve recently been rewatching it, I already knew he got beaten up a lot, but he gets beaten up way more than I initially remembered and I’m only currently on the first season, I haven’t kept count but it feels like it happens at least once per episode, no exaggeration
Another great video about these Outrage Merchants!
Please talk about Spider man 2 the game. The sheer amount of woke it’s being called is absurd
I'm afraid I am several hundred Patreon members short of being able to afford a PS5
@@PillarofGarbagethey were talking about the PS1 version
Ahh yes spiderman 2 childhood classic ❤
I’m glad you starting to get bigger in the critical UA-cam community. And hey your even doing great criticizing the “critics”
Part of directing an action scene is knowing when to cut, when not to and what to cut to - these directors have been relying on quick takes that are legible but otherwise look bad for a LONG TIME. The reason is it was the shot was only intended to be watched for 2 and a half seconds but because this hypothetical shot is sandwiched between shots that look better the human brain doesn't notice. You can turn the quality down to 144p and slow it to 0.25 on any well regarded action scene and the problems that are there become clearer because the people behind it didn't think of creating that scene with that intention in mind.
Mad Max Fury Road has this for example however nobody is going to do this to Fury Road and not get eviscerated online. Even The Raid 1 and 2 which is peak martial arts choreography in my eyes (and spoiler alert - I'm not alone in thinking that), while the shots are longer it doesn't help that what WAS high octane action scenes - when put at 144p and 0.25x speed becomes a game of pointing out that there are counters and dodges before the attacks, clearly not hitting each other, over the top reactions, missed opportunities of "Why didn't they hit here?". This isn't me shit-talking The Raid, my point is that this method of watching an action scene breaks the illusion of filmmaking by design.
These guys: YOURE A CORPORATE SHILL IF YOU DEFEND DIVERSITY!
Also these guys: YAY! The CEO hates the artists, that means he’s on our side!
No, you're not a corporate shill if you defend diversity. You're a corporate shill if you white knight mediocre garbage simply because it has a minority in it and labeling anyone who says mean things about it as a bigot or a chud to shut down what they have to say. That's pretty shillish behavior if you ask me.
@@jeremyusreevu237idk, it gets to a point where it’s not even criticism. It’s just repeating the same garbage over and over. It’s makes up lazy videos.
@@daryltor7608 I mean, you can't blame people like Gary and Drinker for Hollywood continuing to not learn their lessons.
@@jeremyusreevu237 I would be more forgiving if they were directors or creatives but they aren’t. Hollywood is in a rough spot, that I agree with.
I saw that move where she held back her fake leg and then went full in on it to be a really cool way to show her skill and how she has applied her disability into her moveset. The fight scene was good. Like nothing insane but i enjoyed it. And im so glad i stopped watching star wars theory so long ago or i would have found out sbout that asshole so much sooner
Anti-fandom is not an insulting enough term. I'm going with The Piss Baby Collective.
I LIKE HATE WATCHERS PERSONALLY
I was pumped for that fight. I couldn't have been happier.
The only reason why these channels are still going is cause a big UA-camr hasn’t gone after them. If IDubbz was still himself then these guys would be gone by 2020.
That's pretty sad that nobody has tried exposing these morons and put them in their place.
Outside of the culture war sphere does anyone really know them
Yeah Im desperate for someone to go after them all. We got close with Manbabyface and his pronouns meltdown, but it didn't do enough.
@@Kingcrimson_1456no one does! Think about it, if you ask the average Joe none of them would no who they are. Which is the bitter sweet thing about the internet. Sure, they have thousands of followers and get hundreds of thousands of views, but the general public doesn’t know them nor are they swayed by them.
@@Kingcrimson_1456 That's why the whole "this movie flopped because it was woke and we called it out" makes no sense, and why some movies they call woke perform very well "Spider-man Into and Across the Spider-Verse for example". Normal people don't give a shit about "woke", if it was good they will watch it.
First they moaned about race and gender swapping.
But then they complain about original women and minority characters too.
Original ..?
@@mikomaxwell6313 forgive me.
Is Echo not an original character, or is she a race or gender swap too?
I went blind to Echo, the DD vs Echo Fight i found it pretty well, a couple of CGI hiccups but nothing as bad as other shows. And thx to be honest and dont part of the "lets hate to be opular" that i what i i like about you, also bring back the Yostverse
While I did watched the leaked footage, I thought the actual release version was better than the leaked version, but didn't know you mentioned it. Had no idea that it was slowed down a bit. Indod noticed that the sound made the released version better especially when Daredevil hit the prosthetic leg. The slower pacing making thwle scene looks worse makes scene since ot allows the brain longer time to process the scene.
Thank you, I was literally looking through Echo reviews and I just wanted one that didn't look like it was hating. Loved your analysis of the critics, as well as your take on how fickle and easily swayed our opinions can be.
You got yourself a new subscriber.
Thank you for pointhing this out. The hate trend is starting to annoy me and I appreciate this kind of view.
Hate trend? How do you feel about the hate trend of Disney removing all of the black actors from posters in China to appease a racist government? How do you explain there not being one black person in this show when a large portion of modern-day Choctaw are black? Ffs even Seinfeld had a black guy in it. How about the extremely stereotypical and historically inaccurate depiction of the Choctaw tribe? How about lying at the end of the show with a fake stamp of approval from the Choctaw tribe? How about the current class action lawsuit the Choctaw is building against Disney/Marvel because of all of the above? Any thought on THAT hatred trend? Oh yeah, dont forget this one... How about how they covered all the black actors' faces with masks in the posters they released for Black Panther, Infinity War & Wakanda Forever to once again appease a very openly anti-black government?
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it seemed like matt didnt really care about beating her, like he was just trying to look cool or something, doing little flourishes and standing menacingly, and then he ends up just leaving??? idk, though i dont think maya would win in a more serious 1v1, shes got the training for sure but a few scenes before shes frozen and confused, doesnt seem like she has half the experience matt does
I doubt she’d win a more serious 1v1 either - this, to me, felt a lot like Matt investigating & scoping out a new foe he hadn’t seen before.
Another great video man.
I'm also 99.9% sure all those nerds commenting about how un-real that fight scene looked have never, ya know, actually been in a fight.
I could probably take all of them in a fight. You could probably take all of them in a fight.
I liked the show. I had the lowest expectations for it, but it was fun.
Yeah, I agree. Curious to see what's next.
I really enjoyed the show, until the last episode. The climax wasn't climax-y enough
@@racool911the pacing is one of the biggest flaws of this show. The actual story, action scenes and character moments between Maya, her family and Fisk are all really good, but the way it’s all paced is what hurts it
That’s not a good thing you know that?
@@thetruestar6348 why? What do you mean?
i loved the Echo series. I loved the callback to ancestors and family and the choice Maya made at the end. I went into it totally blind not knowing it was coming until I saw it advertised on Disney Plus.
Am I the only one that saw Daredevil as fighting so long and tired, that he was allowed himself to get beat up, as some sort of messed up repentance for his catholic guilt of...beating people up. I can imagine any other superhero media without that guilt wouldn't even bother to show all of the injuries, makes it weird they'd forget all that.
I love how often these types don't know really anything about media production and how often they tell on themselves. "She flicked her leg" yeah that's a common part of fight choreo.
I think the part they were criticising was how long she held her leg before flinging as if to let the other guy get ready. That really looked rather like a rehearsal than the actual shot.
My man, you are an actual crusader for media literacy. Few creators on YT call out the alt-right hacks with the same amount of candor as you. Never stop.
Any time any off the fandom menace video show up I asked you to the job showing it to me. watch the scene two days ago and I was hyped to see daredevil fighting
Echo was a little better than the she-hulk series, but that is a low bar. I found a couple of scenes unintentionally comedic, especially the final fight scene.
The show isnt that good, in fact, its downright unfinished. But i was blind to these chuckleheads standard grifting segments and went in and thought it was pretty dang cool. This show obviously has a lot of good in it, and Marvel screwed the pooch with the presentation and editing and such. But my complaints are not because of THIS.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive, tangible, & logical criticism. I’m not a huge fan of the show either. However, I will NEVER argue “woke”, “Pandering” “Forced” or etc. Those types of criticisms are lazy.
It's because they don't like women with agency. Let's be honest about it.
I've intentionally been skipping any reviews for Echo for precisely the reason you talked about... I thought that fight scene was pretty well done when I first watched it, no problems with it at all...