Most drydocks we see on the show are basically free-floating in space, with a proper spacestation nearby, but not physically attached. I'd assume that is the case with K7 too.
" Look Captain Sisko, that's the K7 space station we have docked at Deep space nine." " Dax ,.i can not believe how tiny this K7 station is to our own Deep space nine station." " Well, at least it will make it easier to find that Tribble bomb, er, watch your head Captain, this bin has a low ceiling." What if from the Tribble episode of Deep space nine.
I love tribbles. I also loved when they were mentioned in Enterprise and Hoshi's reaction when the cute furry creature turned into a plant killing monster.
I could see the shipyard theory. I mean, we already know that Starfleet and the Galifreyans share technology. The shipyard is inside of it! Lol. But realistically, considering the Defiant was able to be built at Terrok Nor in the mirror universe, and voyager can just pump out new shuttles and small ships like no one's business, it's not hard to believe. Also it's possible the shipyard is detached, you mentioned it was moved to orbit the planet, the shipyard may be in orbit as well and not directly attached, just managed at K7.
More likely a shipyard was build in orbit near K7 and they ran the yard. In the Armada games stations did have small shipyards built into them but that was limited to smaller shuttle type ships like construction ships and cargo/mining ships.
I think that it makes more sense for the station to have a shipyard than not, after all, it is visited by starships regularly and repairs need to be done and sometimes you need to manufacture entirely new parts if repairs go beyond stitching up a hole in the exterior.
I love K7 as a flying piece of junk that is always being upgraded in parts... like an old house that is owned by a family for generations, down to custom fitting various parts because the new versions don't come in that size naturally. There is a really annoying mission in STO where you tweak the electrical system flow to make things work because it is an old electrical system using modern gear. Cheap Ferrenghi, not dealing with the electrical system first.
Nice to have Tribbles mentioned. As to a 'shipyard', if K7 had fabrication facilities, it's possible that pre-fabricated ships with minimal warp propulsion could arrive & internal parts be fabricated and installed. Building a whole ship would seem wildly beyond its resources. Thanks for the vid!
It's a little odd to have a space station to build ships but not unusual. Case in point, the 2nd DS9 mirror universe episode where Capt. Sisko helped the rebel forces finish making The Defiant ready to go up against the Klingon Alliance and The Neg'Varh.
I could see them using K7 for smaller ship production and experimentation, also decomissioning of older ships as well. I doubt they would be building sovereign class ships, but I could definetly see its other uses being applied.
I can imagine different sizes of shipyards, they can be immediately adjacent to the station. If anything internal, at most, shuttles and the like. During the TOS run, surprised they even had the money to make it.
Here's the thing I've always thought about a federation shipyard. All you really need is an industrial replicator, a few transport craft with tractor beams, and a supply of raw materials. All the stuff we see like gantry cranes and those rib cage frames are probably just to make the work more convenient. But you should in theory be able to assemble a vessel in space without anything else. K7 is certainly large enough to house industrial replicators. Has power enough for multiple tractor beams and likely has a fleet of shuttles and worker bees.
There is one reasoning to civilians operTing the station and thats any militarization of the border might be seen as a challenge by the Klingon. Also while I agree the Klingons have attacked before unprevoked im sure prevoking them is something the federation doesnt want to do.
Sure Deep Space Station K7 having a shipyard is like saying the Oberth class is the best ship class that the federation has ever built. I can see K7 having maybe a small shipyard for making shuttle crafts or other small ship that are the same size but nothing bigger.
Josh Street. Why not? We see a much smaller station in TMP tending at least one substantial drydock. Theres no reason there cant be several dry docks out of view and other pieces of equipment not seen in frame.
Drew the station is TMP controls a group of dry docks(shipyards).With K7 we don't see any dry docks in the space around it and that's why I say it might build shuttle craft, runabouts, or other small ships that are around the same size.
Josh Street. You dont exactly see much of the surrounding space of K7, and the nearest dry dock to that earth station is a couple of specs in the distance at cinema resolution. Its entirely possible that K7 has a large infrastructure spread out over thousands of cubic kilometers, it is space after all. Thats been my assumption with TOS for years now, theres a lot more to it that we just dont see.
Probably the yard is a repair and maintenance dock. I’m more interested if the finally got all the tribbles out. I always assumed after Kirk they’d be pulling those guys out of air ducts for years.
Shipyard is a ship construction facility - it doesnt have to be a large autonomous instalation - although that would be most convienient if you wanted to construct VERY large ships. Im totally okay with it having a shipyard capable of making smaller things - like worker bees, shuttles, runabouts - or even smaller tender frigates, ore ships or construction/mining ships. Imho in this case your main problem is that you associate a ship yard with just the installattions we saw in shows - and those were the large variants meant to build way bigger ships. Having such ship yard in a deep space would make sense - you can build localy ships that are needed without having them to be shipped in from elsewhere. This is makes sense from efficiency point of view. After all you need are small utility ships mostly - and not galaxy/Constitution class ones for hauling grain,ores - for that kind of thing smaller ships will do just fine especially since the station had already industrial sections which were capable of making the parts needed to build stuff anyway it does makes sense - not only you can process resouress localy, you can build various equipment that might be needed on the "frontier" and on top of that you can build small ships to get that stuff and its all neatly packaged at the station.Cheers
GJ Lore Reloaded! Good video! You were kinda snarky when it came to the naming of K-7's stuff, though. I've always thought of K-7 as basically a great big grain silo in space... 'cause, y'know, quadrotriticale...
The dorsal module clearly contains a large shuttle bay and likely facilities for maintenance and repair of small warp vessels. Given the station's stated industrial fabrication capabilities, I can see it even having an articulated dry dock framework for vessel construction that when not in use is fully retracted forming the curved hull surface at the very bottom of the module.
The kid that played Naomi Wildman went to the show Reba immediately afterwards snag played Reba's gothy youngest daughter. I used to watch Voyager daily about a decade ago and frequently caught Reba reruns too and it took me way too long to realize that it was the same actress. I'm typically good at this. Creepy good (last night I caught "Kate" from Angel within seconds upon seeing her in a movie I watched)
The ship yards we have seen in Trek so far have almost always been free floating "skeletons" rigs where the ship is assembled so if K7 was a shipyard the skeletons would float near by and K7 would function as basically a parts factory creating the parts which would be then assembled into ships at those skeleton rigs, also personally I wouldn't be so worried to add STO cannon into the lore since well they have shown themselves as far better caretakers of the Star Trek IP than STD has
Considering that lower section was a docking bay, the use of industrial replicators, that the station used to be the area for PVP missions in STO and because we have seen ships build attached to other stations such as Terok Nor/DS9...I find it acceptable that in STO canon, ships could be built there on a case-by-case basis, NOT as a normal spacedock assembly line.
...a shipyard? Short of building it as an outward expansion, maybe at the base, I'm not sure how that even makes sense. As for that bit about Naomi, I feel your pain.
I could see a shipyard tooled to build runabouts and shuttles. That way if a ship looses one, like they do, they can pick up a shuttle in their patrol area and not go all the way yo a core world. It would also prevent the need for carriers meant for resupplying shuttles to outposts.
Deadite. Dont assume this means ships must be built within or attatched to the station. There could be a dozzen dry docks off screen somewhere along with other ship building equipment with the station acting as living quarters and management center, like that station in TMP.
The K7 appears to be of modular construction. If so, sections of it could be swapped out over time. By 2409 it's possible that there isn't an original part left to it.
K7 had industrial fabrication plants and a hanger section that could hold runabout sized craft. It would make sense to make smaller ships like this further out from Earth, as they would spend less time traveling to where they were needed. Manufacturing smaller, science type ships would also make sense if the industrial replicators were present and not being used. Not sure about combat vessels or large capital ships though. I guess it all depends on how much the station was refitted. It might have been retrofitted during the Dominion war to help replace ships lost in battle.
the shipyard is probably there only in Star trek Online for gameplay reasons, eg; not having to travel back to change ships (for wich you need a SY in the game)
A ship yard is possible if it's just a basic gantry that they assemble. They could project a gravity field or let it be zero g and do maintenance or construction or maybe just overhauls on existing frames. It isn't implausible - but we've never seen it. I would like to however.
They really should have kept that stationed in the 23rd Century where it belongs. That being said, it was a great space station for its time. Something to realize though Tribbles are nothing but trouble. You don't run into these problems with a nice beagle. It's just something to consider.
I think the shipyard would be more for shuttles and other "small" non-military crafts. Also, used for repairs and refits. As a shipyard isn't about making large Capitol Ships. They can make other kinds and be used as a drydock for repairs. I can see K-7 needing one being used as a station around a planet and cannot fix everything planetside.
The Organians forced the Klingons and Federation to sit down and hammer out a treaty which I believe is mentioned in Trouble with Tribbles. So Cold War is the right term and it stayed cold for a while because there was a treaty mechanism keeping things in check.
That's where player convenience and gameplay comes in to effect as far as game design versus in-universe logic and or canonical concerns. The former having a higher priority.
If the station has a shipyard, I can see why it is still commissioned. If it didn't have the ability to build and repair ships though, I would've decommissioned it and sold it to a Ferengi businessman a long time ago.
It does have that hanger thing at the bottom, I guess it could construct a very small ships there.... Yeah I think I'll go for the multiple separate dry docks Theory.
3:19 I'm not sure if you're trolling and do know the lore or what, but I think I read something somewhere where Han Solo's comment was attributed to there being multiple approaches to doing the Kessel Run and that he was the first to find the shortest route, which was 12 parsecs and was bragging about that achievement.
the book jackill's ships of the fleet vol. 2 shows the station as a Kepler-class trading station. Which was used lay overs for ships in the area and the handling heavy cargo transfers Their were 96 made and had a crew of about 1130 people.
You forgot to mention that in january of 2409 a group of rebel klingons cloaked K7 for a short time and a member of that crew was captured and questioned by K7 Security inside the admirals office.
Technically, in Star Trek Online you're actually buying ships - either with Refined Dilithium (Which you can process at the rate of 8,000/day, so Tier 4 ships that cost about 68,000RD's will take you a while to get the resources for.) or ZEN (Which you can buy with real-world currency, or buy from those who do so with RD's through the exchange - at whatever rate they set, which is usually AT LEAST 200RD/1Z.) - NOT "building" them. Also, the shipyard on STO's K7 is able to fix your ship if you've incurred an "injury" or 3 by dying - repeatedly. Also, Deep Space K7 - or rather, the Sherman System itself - is a place you can instantaneously Transwarp to - from anywhere in the galaxy, mind you - once you're at at least Level 1 in your Diplomacy Duty Officer Commendation, & since the Sherman system is close to Drozana station - a K7 variant that's seen better days & is now owned by the Ferengi - & the Nukara system - a Hell world where you find the Tholians making mischief - it's not as useless as it would otherwise be. Fun fact: as of 2409 in STO, the KDF has actually enslaved both the entire Gorn Hegemony AND the Orion Syndicate (Which you'd think would concern the people at Starfleet, since the Orion Syndicate is located near the Risa system & thus rather close to Sol itself - at least in comparison to the KDF's main territory.) as well as ally with the Nausicaans, the Ferasans - a race of cat-based humanoids, & the Romulan counterpart to the Federation's new Caitian allies, the Letheans, & even (If you've paid to unlock them.) some Joined Trill. Unfortunately, if you don't pay the ZEN to unlock the Ferasans & Joined Trill, then you can only pick from the Klingons or Orions if you want a FEMALE Captain - & even then, the only female Bridge Officers you can get in game that are female are Klingon or Orion unless you want to pay 500ZEN($5USD) each for a female Ferasan Bridge Officer. So, the Klingons have apparently decided to give up on Discovery's "Klingons Only" mentality. (BEFORE that even became a thing!) And, when you meet the Lukari - after the Iconian War arc - the person back at HQ you talk to after the first mission in THAT arc calls them a potential "client species." So, apparently they've taken on an American Mob mentality instead.
Ship yards don't always build the ships. I have spend a good chunk of my Naval Career in shipyards and we were there for upgrades and repairs. So yes K7 could have that ability, and still be called a ship yard.
LOL Yea... Just like when you kill a spider in a video game and it drops a sword many times larger than it was.... and gold... and a healing potion... and... ok you get the idea.
Hell yeah, a "Shipyard." K-7 has storage, cargo handling and "fabrication facilities." Plenty of room like a Howard Johnson's for staff and guests. Obviously NOT for building the next class of anything; repair, retro-fit, top off the tanks..... Absolutely. An OASIS in the great dessert of space!
By shipyard they might mean "drydocks are parked nearby". Sort of like how Utopia fleetyards is a bunch of detached facilities rather than one big fortress.
Lore Reloaded do you mean the entire Sov class can park inside? I suppose K7 has enough modularity that they can just replace sections to fit larger ships (such that at some point the entire base is effectively new-built).
Naming conventions aren't supposed to be fancy. They are supposed to stand out and easy to remember. You want anyone from the federation to be able to come and if they are told to go to KA they know exactly where KA is with little to no time spent memorizing names.
I don't mind the idea that there's a shipyard in STO. It's loose canon at best anyway. But there is what appears to my poor eyes a docking bay at the "bottom" (I think that's what it is). I don't have a great sense of scale, but maybe that bay could fit something like a Miranda, Centaur, Steamrunner, Defiant, Sabre, Norway, Oberth, or perhaps civilian transports. Maybe something bigger when you consider seeing a Jem'Haddar attack ship moored in the bay at what appears to be a much smaller Starbase 375. I'd think, if my assumptions are correct, it'd likely be more for repair and reloading rather than full on ship construction. Being that it's a supply outpost, it would also make sense that transport ships would want to dock with it for more options for transferring cargo (a la Babylon 5. Yes, I know B5 doesn't have matter-energy transporters).
@@LoreReloaded Or at least, not impossible. Fun to speculate in any case. I enjoyed the look at K7. Even with such limited information. Do you reference the Star Trek Encyclopedia written by the Okuda's by the way? I have it in my lap right now.
MY FEELING is that both powers were "FORCED" to NOT to go to war with each other, "EVERY TIME" something does happen to start a war... a Deus X Machina "ALWAYS POPS OUT OF NOWHERE" to prevent it, AND that's REALLY fucking bad writing if you want my opinion!
Ship yard very possible If not necessarily building new ships or large ships perhaps small ones and doing major repair work though though I could see that I'd like to see if they had beefed up Sif had beefed up security systems like massive amounts of quantum torpedos and fazer banks and pulse fazers yeah allstators similar to DS9 that would be pretty cool let me know what you think
I think rather then a ship yard the meant a repair yard , which in US Navel practice would be pretty stranded for remote out posts. Oh there was some more info in the ToS tech manual,
I Have been a fan and collector of Star Trek stuff since TOS. I still have the original enterprise deck plan set. I Lost the TOS Tech Manual Long ago. And down thought the years Much of the things I have has gone from alpha cannon to beta to wtf are you talking about. but going over my beta stuff , including the FASA ship recognition manual , and Jackill's Star fleet reference Manual , ships of the fleet vol 1 and 2 ( which seems to be not simply beta but lost martial to boot.) which covers the time frame post TOS to the first cpl of movies. it includes all the classes of ships from mobile dry docks to tugs. If K-7 ( a trading out post ) has a ship yard it would have to be the assignment of a mobile dry dock.
Jackill's ( written and illustrated by Eric Kristisn ) has a wealth of technical info on my class of ships , both seen and unseen with-in star fleet post TOS and early movie time frame.
And then there is "How was it built?" Only a minor leap that K-7 may have been constructed from previously de-commissioned Starships. A few saucers, some booms, a little re-skinning with added decks..... Imagine the efficiency of 'flying' said de-commissioned Starships to the general area for her initial construction. Warp Reactors that can concentrate on fabrication instead of propulsion. Oodles of Tech @ the ready.... Golly, if only I could live in that universe instead of this one.
+Lore Reloaded yeah they had one of the bajorn orbs and that took them back in time too that timeframe and sisko and crew had to stop darben a altered klingon from murdering Kirk and the enterprise crew.
Hey gramps, my guess is that they Klingon's and the Federation probably just stopped fighting, as we do see them go to war in DS9. I mean for an ageless people the Organians dropped the ball during the Dominion War period. As for a ship yard, maybe...if it built Runabouts, fighters and shuttles (and maybe the Defiant class ships). But nothing larger. But then again, ship yards aren't just used for construction but heavy repairs as well, and that seems feasible, but not large ship construction, that is unrealistic.
the ship yard is good what if my ship needs minor refits before attacking the klingons again i mean this would be closer than earth and another thing it would mean i might just be able to get a whole new ship
On the subject of shipyards in the Star Trek universe, what are they like? This universe has replicators. Direct energy to matter conversion. The shipyard should be a series of different sized replicators. Is that how they do it?
Lore Reloaded I'd mass produce the mobile holo emitter from Voyagers Doctor, and whenever fighting broke out anywhere I'd beam in a million Emergency Holographic Macos.
One of the reasons I hate beta "canon" is you get crap that appears to be what some fanboy made up for a video game is somehow included as "fact". We are to believe that a 100+ year old starbase would still be useful at all, let alone powerful enough to be stationed on the Klingon/Federation Neutral Zone in the 25th century and that out of all the officers in all the Federation that a familiar name like Naomi Wildman would become commander of said station. Let alone that it somehow has a shipyard? This isn't on you, Lore Reloaded. This is a commentary on what I like to call the "Wouldn't it be swell..." moments that seem to make up a lot of beta lore and a lot of modern comic book storytelling.
The trouble with tribbles is one of my favorite episodes in the original star trek. A great Scottie performance, with no tribble at all.
it was a fun episode
I prefer watching Trials and Tibble-ations. But yes, Trouble with Tribbles is one of my fave TOS eps.
Anyone remember it's sequel episode from TAS called more Tribbles more trouble?
WHO THREW THE FIRST PUNCH? CAPN THEY CALLLED THE ENTERPRISE A GARBAGE SCOW! GOOD JOB MR SCOTT!
Nobody calls the Enterprise a garbage scow. Lol I also enjoyed that scene.
I think a shipyard is reasonable - probably more for repair and overhaul than building ships from scratch.
Sure..where on it would the sovereign be built ?
If we assume it is a civilian station, it would build civilian ships, which would be a lot simpler than Starfleet ships.
I was going to say that maybe it's used to build Archer Class and smaller sized vessels for local use.
Most drydocks we see on the show are basically free-floating in space, with a proper spacestation nearby, but not physically attached. I'd assume that is the case with K7 too.
Lore Reloaded Who says that the ship yard has to be on K-7? Why not a satellite facility? Build the parts on K-7 and assemble them elsewhere.
K-7 is the Betty White of the Star Trek universe...
Just as loved
" Look Captain Sisko, that's the K7 space station we have docked at Deep space nine." " Dax ,.i can not believe how tiny this K7 station is to our own Deep space nine station." " Well, at least it will make it easier to find that Tribble bomb, er, watch your head Captain, this bin has a low ceiling." What if from the Tribble episode of Deep space nine.
Scotty and the Klingon fight was the stuff of legend on that station. That put K7 on all the Star charts in 2267.
I love tribbles. I also loved when they were mentioned in Enterprise and Hoshi's reaction when the cute furry creature turned into a plant killing monster.
I could see the shipyard theory. I mean, we already know that Starfleet and the Galifreyans share technology. The shipyard is inside of it! Lol. But realistically, considering the Defiant was able to be built at Terrok Nor in the mirror universe, and voyager can just pump out new shuttles and small ships like no one's business, it's not hard to believe. Also it's possible the shipyard is detached, you mentioned it was moved to orbit the planet, the shipyard may be in orbit as well and not directly attached, just managed at K7.
More likely a shipyard was build in orbit near K7 and they ran the yard. In the Armada games stations did have small shipyards built into them but that was limited to smaller shuttle type ships like construction ships and cargo/mining ships.
Actually tarak nor used a external scaffolding to build the defiant. You see it get ejected just before launch.
exactly, which is why I don't see why they can't use the same technique for K7
I think that it makes more sense for the station to have a shipyard than not, after all, it is visited by starships regularly and repairs need to be done and sometimes you need to manufacture entirely new parts if repairs go beyond stitching up a hole in the exterior.
I love K7 as a flying piece of junk that is always being upgraded in parts... like an old house that is owned by a family for generations, down to custom fitting various parts because the new versions don't come in that size naturally. There is a really annoying mission in STO where you tweak the electrical system flow to make things work because it is an old electrical system using modern gear. Cheap Ferrenghi, not dealing with the electrical system first.
Yea ..I can see the appeal there
Nice to have Tribbles mentioned. As to a 'shipyard', if K7 had fabrication facilities, it's possible that pre-fabricated ships with minimal warp propulsion could arrive & internal parts be fabricated and installed. Building a whole ship would seem wildly beyond its resources. Thanks for the vid!
Trouble with tribbles is a classic...and trails and tribblations is great.
Klingon can't even do revenge properly.
I never realized K7 was near the Mempa system. I agree with you it is insane to have civis running a space station near such a major Klingon system.
Lance Heaps. Not really, its hardly different from civilian contractors in modern and historical war zones.
DrewLSsix Spent a year deployed in Iraq and never went to a FOB run by civis.
Lance Heaps. Its not a forward operating base.... its not a tactical outpost of any sort. Its an administrative center.
It's nice to have the Lore Back
It's a little odd to have a space station to build ships but not unusual. Case in point, the 2nd DS9 mirror universe episode where Capt. Sisko helped the rebel forces finish making The Defiant ready to go up against the Klingon Alliance and The Neg'Varh.
I could see them using K7 for smaller ship production and experimentation, also decomissioning of older ships as well.
I doubt they would be building sovereign class ships, but I could definetly see its other uses being applied.
I can imagine different sizes of shipyards, they can be immediately adjacent to the station.
If anything internal, at most, shuttles and the like.
During the TOS run, surprised they even had the money to make it.
Here's the thing I've always thought about a federation shipyard. All you really need is an industrial replicator, a few transport craft with tractor beams, and a supply of raw materials.
All the stuff we see like gantry cranes and those rib cage frames are probably just to make the work more convenient.
But you should in theory be able to assemble a vessel in space without anything else.
K7 is certainly large enough to house industrial replicators. Has power enough for multiple tractor beams and likely has a fleet of shuttles and worker bees.
This station is the focus of three episodes: the trouble with Tribbles, trials and tribbulations and more Tribbles more trouble.
Last is TAS if I remember and is crazy
Lore Reloaded but it was a fun follow up episode to the trouble with Tribbles though.
Barry Bend. TAS is spotty as far as conon goes. DSC is actually the first time TAS elements have been acknowledged as canon.
DrewLSsix like Comador April.
IKS Klothos, Shir'Kahr city, Spock's childhood, Robert April...
When I was on Startrek Online, my fleet members and I hung out at Club K-7 a lot O:)
I sat through a whole ad for this! :P
There is one reasoning to civilians operTing the station and thats any militarization of the border might be seen as a challenge by the Klingon.
Also while I agree the Klingons have attacked before unprevoked im sure prevoking them is something the federation doesnt want to do.
Sure Deep Space Station K7 having a shipyard is like saying the Oberth class is the best ship class that the federation has ever built.
I can see K7 having maybe a small shipyard for making shuttle crafts or other small ship that are the same size but nothing bigger.
Josh Street. Why not? We see a much smaller station in TMP tending at least one substantial drydock. Theres no reason there cant be several dry docks out of view and other pieces of equipment not seen in frame.
Drew the station is TMP controls a group of dry docks(shipyards).With K7 we don't see any dry docks in the space around it and that's why I say it might build shuttle craft, runabouts, or other small ships that are around the same size.
Josh Street. You dont exactly see much of the surrounding space of K7, and the nearest dry dock to that earth station is a couple of specs in the distance at cinema resolution.
Its entirely possible that K7 has a large infrastructure spread out over thousands of cubic kilometers, it is space after all.
Thats been my assumption with TOS for years now, theres a lot more to it that we just dont see.
DOES IT HAVE AN ASSIMILATION CHAMBER TOO?
Yes a civilian administration is logical, it a way of the UFP to show their not trying to provoke a 2nd war.
Sir Aroun but with no para military security it was a dumb move on Starfleets part.
Because the klingons only respond to aggression and never just when they want :p
And Klingons be like, SO WHAT? TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO SLAUGHTER!
Probably the yard is a repair and maintenance dock. I’m more interested if the finally got all the tribbles out. I always assumed after Kirk they’d be pulling those guys out of air ducts for years.
Shipyard is a ship construction facility - it doesnt have to be a large autonomous instalation - although that would be most convienient if you wanted to construct VERY large ships. Im totally okay with it having a shipyard capable of making smaller things - like worker bees, shuttles, runabouts - or even smaller tender frigates, ore ships or construction/mining ships. Imho in this case your main problem is that you associate a ship yard with just the installattions we saw in shows - and those were the large variants meant to build way bigger ships. Having such ship yard in a deep space would make sense - you can build localy ships that are needed without having them to be shipped in from elsewhere. This is makes sense from efficiency point of view. After all you need are small utility ships mostly - and not galaxy/Constitution class ones for hauling grain,ores - for that kind of thing smaller ships will do just fine especially since the station had already industrial sections which were capable of making the parts needed to build stuff anyway it does makes sense - not only you can process resouress localy, you can build various equipment that might be needed on the "frontier" and on top of that you can build small ships to get that stuff and its all neatly packaged at the station.Cheers
GJ Lore Reloaded! Good video! You were kinda snarky when it came to the naming of K-7's stuff, though. I've always thought of K-7 as basically a great big grain silo in space... 'cause, y'know, quadrotriticale...
Yea, That makes sense.. I was honestly just trying to have some levity ;)
The dorsal module clearly contains a large shuttle bay and likely facilities for maintenance and repair of small warp vessels. Given the station's stated industrial fabrication capabilities, I can see it even having an articulated dry dock framework for vessel construction that when not in use is fully retracted forming the curved hull surface at the very bottom of the module.
Probably a very small shipyard, or maybe the Oberth class is made there :D
The kid that played Naomi Wildman went to the show Reba immediately afterwards snag played Reba's gothy youngest daughter. I used to watch Voyager daily about a decade ago and frequently caught Reba reruns too and it took me way too long to realize that it was the same actress. I'm typically good at this. Creepy good (last night I caught "Kate" from Angel within seconds upon seeing her in a movie I watched)
The ship yards we have seen in Trek so far have almost always been free floating "skeletons" rigs where the ship is assembled so if K7 was a shipyard the skeletons would float near by and K7 would function as basically a parts factory creating the parts which would be then assembled into ships at those skeleton rigs, also personally I wouldn't be so worried to add STO cannon into the lore since well they have shown themselves as far better caretakers of the Star Trek IP than STD has
I think the shipyard is crazy, but if your going to keep it around, might as well get everything you can out of it, right ?
Considering that lower section was a docking bay, the use of industrial replicators, that the station used to be the area for PVP missions in STO and because we have seen ships build attached to other stations such as Terok Nor/DS9...I find it acceptable that in STO canon, ships could be built there on a case-by-case basis, NOT as a normal spacedock assembly line.
I want to see a video on the Oberth class, I havent had a good laugh in a while.
I actually have two videos on the oberth..
Lore Reloaded Ok then never mind. Thanks.
Lore Reloaded - so there could be a third one?
BrokenCurtain on the Oberth of Macross because why not.
The third has to be in ST online
...a shipyard? Short of building it as an outward expansion, maybe at the base, I'm not sure how that even makes sense. As for that bit about Naomi, I feel your pain.
I could see a shipyard tooled to build runabouts and shuttles. That way if a ship looses one, like they do, they can pick up a shuttle in their patrol area and not go all the way yo a core world. It would also prevent the need for carriers meant for resupplying shuttles to outposts.
You hold T’Pol on Mondays? Lucky dude!!!
The sarcasm is strong with this one...
By "shipyard", I suspect it would just be small ships (e.g. runabouts) maybe up to Defiant sized ships. I can't imagine its capable of much more.
I choose to believe that the actual shipyard was a "remote" deal, with the management facilities (and perhaps some supplies) being stored on K7.
Maybe on planet it's made
The shipyard was necessary...for the constant Tribble removal. :D
It all makes sense now!
I'd think the shipyard is mainly for light refiting and construction of smaller vessels like shuttles and MAYBE Defiant Class ships
Deadite. Dont assume this means ships must be built within or attatched to the station. There could be a dozzen dry docks off screen somewhere along with other ship building equipment with the station acting as living quarters and management center, like that station in TMP.
The K7 appears to be of modular construction. If so, sections of it could be swapped out over time. By 2409 it's possible that there isn't an original part left to it.
Given how often ships end up limping to the nearest starbase after an anomaly it makes sense to have a shipyard there
I hope this station makes an appearance on lower decks. Lower decks is best. After ENT.
They could build Runabouts on the station, small enough and could pump them out rather quickly given the nessasary requirements
I would have thought they would all have some sort of shipyard for repairs
K7 had industrial fabrication plants and a hanger section that could hold runabout sized craft. It would make sense to make smaller ships like this further out from Earth, as they would spend less time traveling to where they were needed. Manufacturing smaller, science type ships would also make sense if the industrial replicators were present and not being used. Not sure about combat vessels or large capital ships though. I guess it all depends on how much the station was refitted. It might have been retrofitted during the Dominion war to help replace ships lost in battle.
Sure.. you can buy sovereigns from it
If I recall correctly this space station appeared on Lost in Space too.
the shipyard is probably there only in Star trek Online for gameplay reasons, eg; not having to travel back to change ships (for wich you need a SY in the game)
A ship yard is possible if it's just a basic gantry that they assemble. They could project a gravity field or let it be zero g and do maintenance or construction or maybe just overhauls on existing frames. It isn't implausible - but we've never seen it. I would like to however.
They really should have kept that stationed in the 23rd Century where it belongs. That being said, it was a great space station for its time. Something to realize though Tribbles are nothing but trouble. You don't run into these problems with a nice beagle. It's just something to consider.
I think the shipyard would be more for shuttles and other "small" non-military crafts. Also, used for repairs and refits. As a shipyard isn't about making large Capitol Ships. They can make other kinds and be used as a drydock for repairs. I can see K-7 needing one being used as a station around a planet and cannot fix everything planetside.
The Organians forced the Klingons and Federation to sit down and hammer out a treaty which I believe is mentioned in Trouble with Tribbles. So Cold War is the right term and it stayed cold for a while because there was a treaty mechanism keeping things in check.
The ship yard might just be for repairing ships, or it could be a private venture a ship construction.
It was most likely that the old station acted as the admin center for the space docks in orbit around Sherman's planet.
Tribble meat is good eatin'
indeed
how does it compare to delectable Ewok meat?
Ah Ewok taste the best. Unfortunately tho I stopped eating them after I heard what they did to my fellow troopers.....
Except the little bastards are the Flood of ST.
at least they are for the carnivorous reptiles on their home planet.
i think the ship yard is more for repairs
You can buy sovereigns on sto
That's where player convenience and gameplay comes in to effect as far as game design versus in-universe logic and or canonical concerns. The former having a higher priority.
Red Magi XVI agreed
Runabout production it is classified as a star ship not a shuttle.
I think a shipyard would be a big factor in the stations longevity.
Hey Lore Reloaded! What is the diminsions of the K-7? Thanks for any info and another great episode!
If the station has a shipyard, I can see why it is still commissioned. If it didn't have the ability to build and repair ships though, I would've decommissioned it and sold it to a Ferengi businessman a long time ago.
After a couple of hundred years of refits, it is quite plausible to have it oversee shipyards.
maybe
It does have that hanger thing at the bottom, I guess it could construct a very small ships there....
Yeah I think I'll go for the multiple separate dry docks Theory.
It lacks the ability to defend itself.
that close to the klingon empire no less!
3:19 I'm not sure if you're trolling and do know the lore or what, but I think I read something somewhere where Han Solo's comment was attributed to there being multiple approaches to doing the Kessel Run and that he was the first to find the shortest route, which was 12 parsecs and was bragging about that achievement.
the book jackill's ships of the fleet vol. 2 shows the station as a Kepler-class trading station. Which was used lay overs for ships in the area and the handling heavy cargo transfers Their were 96 made and had a crew of about 1130 people.
That's pretty intriguing
if you want to know the specs they have, let me know.
You forgot to mention that in january of 2409 a group of rebel klingons cloaked K7 for a short time and a member of that crew was captured and questioned by K7 Security inside the admirals office.
Technically, in Star Trek Online you're actually buying ships - either with Refined Dilithium (Which you can process at the rate of 8,000/day, so Tier 4 ships that cost about 68,000RD's will take you a while to get the resources for.) or ZEN (Which you can buy with real-world currency, or buy from those who do so with RD's through the exchange - at whatever rate they set, which is usually AT LEAST 200RD/1Z.) - NOT "building" them. Also, the shipyard on STO's K7 is able to fix your ship if you've incurred an "injury" or 3 by dying - repeatedly.
Also, Deep Space K7 - or rather, the Sherman System itself - is a place you can instantaneously Transwarp to - from anywhere in the galaxy, mind you - once you're at at least Level 1 in your Diplomacy Duty Officer Commendation, & since the Sherman system is close to Drozana station - a K7 variant that's seen better days & is now owned by the Ferengi - & the Nukara system - a Hell world where you find the Tholians making mischief - it's not as useless as it would otherwise be.
Fun fact: as of 2409 in STO, the KDF has actually enslaved both the entire Gorn Hegemony AND the Orion Syndicate (Which you'd think would concern the people at Starfleet, since the Orion Syndicate is located near the Risa system & thus rather close to Sol itself - at least in comparison to the KDF's main territory.) as well as ally with the Nausicaans, the Ferasans - a race of cat-based humanoids, & the Romulan counterpart to the Federation's new Caitian allies, the Letheans, & even (If you've paid to unlock them.) some Joined Trill. Unfortunately, if you don't pay the ZEN to unlock the Ferasans & Joined Trill, then you can only pick from the Klingons or Orions if you want a FEMALE Captain - & even then, the only female Bridge Officers you can get in game that are female are Klingon or Orion unless you want to pay 500ZEN($5USD) each for a female Ferasan Bridge Officer. So, the Klingons have apparently decided to give up on Discovery's "Klingons Only" mentality. (BEFORE that even became a thing!) And, when you meet the Lukari - after the Iconian War arc - the person back at HQ you talk to after the first mission in THAT arc calls them a potential "client species." So, apparently they've taken on an American Mob mentality instead.
Ship yards don't always build the ships. I have spend a good chunk of my Naval Career in shipyards and we were there for upgrades and repairs. So yes K7 could have that ability, and still be called a ship yard.
In star trek online has you order and one appears. Is where i came up with that
LOL Yea... Just like when you kill a spider in a video game and it drops a sword many times larger than it was.... and gold... and a healing potion... and... ok you get the idea.
Hell yeah, a "Shipyard." K-7 has storage, cargo handling and "fabrication facilities." Plenty of room like a Howard Johnson's for staff and guests. Obviously NOT for building the next class of anything; repair, retro-fit, top off the tanks..... Absolutely. An OASIS in the great dessert of space!
there ya go
By shipyard they might mean "drydocks are parked nearby". Sort of like how Utopia fleetyards is a bunch of detached facilities rather than one big fortress.
You can but a sovereign in sto
Lore Reloaded do you mean the entire Sov class can park inside? I suppose K7 has enough modularity that they can just replace sections to fit larger ships (such that at some point the entire base is effectively new-built).
A shipyard for... shuttlecraft? Stuffed into one of those little side modules? Because otherwise, where would they have the room...?
Yes, a Parsec is a unit of distance. That was the distance between the Millennium Falcon and the 2nd place ship
woot
Naming conventions aren't supposed to be fancy. They are supposed to stand out and easy to remember. You want anyone from the federation to be able to come and if they are told to go to KA they know exactly where KA is with little to no time spent memorizing names.
I don't mind the idea that there's a shipyard in STO. It's loose canon at best anyway. But there is what appears to my poor eyes a docking bay at the "bottom" (I think that's what it is). I don't have a great sense of scale, but maybe that bay could fit something like a Miranda, Centaur, Steamrunner, Defiant, Sabre, Norway, Oberth, or perhaps civilian transports. Maybe something bigger when you consider seeing a Jem'Haddar attack ship moored in the bay at what appears to be a much smaller Starbase 375. I'd think, if my assumptions are correct, it'd likely be more for repair and reloading rather than full on ship construction. Being that it's a supply outpost, it would also make sense that transport ships would want to dock with it for more options for transferring cargo (a la Babylon 5. Yes, I know B5 doesn't have matter-energy transporters).
It's possible..
@@LoreReloaded Or at least, not impossible. Fun to speculate in any case. I enjoyed the look at K7. Even with such limited information.
Do you reference the Star Trek Encyclopedia written by the Okuda's by the way? I have it in my lap right now.
MY FEELING is that both powers were "FORCED" to NOT to go to war with each other, "EVERY TIME" something does happen to start a war... a Deus X Machina "ALWAYS POPS OUT OF NOWHERE" to prevent it, AND that's REALLY fucking bad writing if you want my opinion!
A shipyard?
How big a station is this thing?
Just curious to know exactly how extensive we're talking when it comes to what it can build.
A SHIPYARD!? And I thought tribles ridiculous... Good greif.
Ship yard very possible If not necessarily building new ships or large ships perhaps small ones and doing major repair work though though I could see that I'd like to see if they had beefed up Sif had beefed up security systems like massive amounts of quantum torpedos and fazer banks and pulse fazers yeah allstators similar to DS9 that would be pretty cool let me know what you think
Honestly any space station with a large enough bay and industrial replicators could be a shipyard
good point
I think rather then a ship yard the meant a repair yard , which in US Navel practice would be pretty stranded for remote out posts. Oh there was some more info in the ToS tech manual,
Well it's a shipyard due to being STO - but it being a repair yard isn't bad.. or maybe the shipyards were above the planet?
I Have been a fan and collector of Star Trek stuff since TOS. I still have the original enterprise deck plan set. I Lost the TOS Tech Manual Long ago. And down thought the years Much of the things I have has gone from alpha cannon to beta to wtf are you talking about. but going over my beta stuff , including the FASA ship recognition manual , and Jackill's Star fleet reference Manual , ships of the fleet vol 1 and 2 ( which seems to be not simply beta but lost martial to boot.) which covers the time frame post TOS to the first cpl of movies. it includes all the classes of ships from mobile dry docks to tugs. If K-7 ( a trading out post ) has a ship yard it would have to be the assignment of a mobile dry dock.
Jackill's ( written and illustrated by Eric Kristisn ) has a wealth of technical info on my class of ships , both seen and unseen with-in star fleet post TOS and early movie time frame.
Just what does STO mean ?
3:49 What might I find on deck KY?
A shipyard? It is like you would give a tribble a phaser. It is overpowered but it can not use it efficient.
And then there is "How was it built?" Only a minor leap that K-7 may have been constructed from previously de-commissioned Starships. A few saucers, some booms, a little re-skinning with added decks..... Imagine the efficiency of 'flying' said de-commissioned Starships to the general area for her initial construction. Warp Reactors that can concentrate on fabrication instead of propulsion. Oodles of Tech @ the ready....
Golly, if only I could live in that universe instead of this one.
Scarlett Pomers (Naomi's actress) is 29 as of this posting, I'd love to see her don the uniform, maybe in a fan film....
Wasn't k7 reference in ds9? I remember seeing it in the episode when sisko and them went back in time .
They went back in time
+Lore Reloaded yeah they had one of the bajorn orbs and that took them back in time too that timeframe and sisko and crew had to stop darben a altered klingon from murdering Kirk and the enterprise crew.
Wait, where did the last parts about Naomi and the shipyard and stuff come from? Is that from Star Trek Online or something?
It was on deep space nine episode
Hey gramps, my guess is that they Klingon's and the Federation probably just stopped fighting, as we do see them go to war in DS9. I mean for an ageless people the Organians dropped the ball during the Dominion War period. As for a ship yard, maybe...if it built Runabouts, fighters and shuttles (and maybe the Defiant class ships). But nothing larger. But then again, ship yards aren't just used for construction but heavy repairs as well, and that seems feasible, but not large ship construction, that is unrealistic.
...gramps?
+Lore Reloaded
Oh, did would you prefer to be called Daddy?
Deep space K7 with a shipyard, is like trying to fire a modern .50 BMG round out of an early 18th century musket, it just does not work.
the ship yard is good what if my ship needs minor refits before attacking the klingons again i mean this would be closer than earth and another thing it would mean i might just be able to get a whole new ship
where is the bloody ship yard??? I dont see where they would put it?
Cool
If the defiant was Siskos pimp hand then DS9 post refit was the federations full on bitch slap
Did the Klingons help rid the station of tribbles since they declared war on them?
On the subject of shipyards in the Star Trek universe, what are they like? This universe has replicators. Direct energy to matter conversion. The shipyard should be a series of different sized replicators. Is that how they do it?
with industrial replicators - you could do just about anything.
Lore Reloaded I'd mass produce the mobile holo emitter from Voyagers Doctor, and whenever fighting broke out anywhere I'd beam in a million Emergency Holographic Macos.
*Station orbits a planet.... The construction yards are probably on the planet, and the command and control are located on the station
And can build constitutions to sovereigns
Pretty sure the shipyard is just an ingame convenience in STO.
...mother of god..
There a duty officer assignment for Upgrading Deep Space K7.
I think the shipyard is meant to a "gameplay story segregation" kinda thing.
when you said shipyard and im like... what what?
So tribbles is Emu of Star Trek?
One of the reasons I hate beta "canon" is you get crap that appears to be what some fanboy made up for a video game is somehow included as "fact". We are to believe that a 100+ year old starbase would still be useful at all, let alone powerful enough to be stationed on the Klingon/Federation Neutral Zone in the 25th century and that out of all the officers in all the Federation that a familiar name like Naomi Wildman would become commander of said station. Let alone that it somehow has a shipyard?
This isn't on you, Lore Reloaded. This is a commentary on what I like to call the "Wouldn't it be swell..." moments that seem to make up a lot of beta lore and a lot of modern comic book storytelling.