Time Team S20-E10 Wolsey's Lost Palace
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- Опубліковано 6 бер 2013
- For 100 years schoolboys have been playing a few feet above the remains of the most opulent palace in Britain.
The Manor of More was masterminded by Henry VIII's right-hand man, the all-powerful religious leader and statesman Cardinal Wolsey, who was also responsible for Hampton Court Palace. Tudor visitors remarked that it was grander than Hampton Court.
But the palace went missing until the 1950s, when a group of pupils at Northwood School in Hertfordshire discovered its remains beneath their school playing field.
Now one of those schoolboys - Martin Biddle, who is now one of the country's most distinguished archaeologists - joins Tony and the Team as they try to piece together the complete picture of this huge palace.
In its heyday, the Manor of More would have been an opulent playground fit for royalty and state visitors. Like Hampton Court, it was built as a place in which to entertain. Thomas More and Catherine of Aragon would have known it intimately.
But working out the layout of the palace is as tough a challenge as the Team have had for a long while.
There should be a huge front courtyard, but where is it? There should be a long gallery running off the back range, somewhere under the school's tennis courts. But it's equally elusive.
But, finally, enough pieces of this challenging Tudor jigsaw fall into place for the Team to visualise the splendour that once stood here, with its towered gatehouse rising majestically out of a wide moat.
Watching the youth watching that drone, "I want one!!!!!" was written in their expression, would have been on my face too.😊...
I love the fact that the school teachers took the opportunity to bring their classes out to see the trenches first-hand. Its not every day you can stand on the edge of a real archeological trench and probably ask questions of the people ding the digging. Well done!
Looking through the glass got to me....
by the end I was in tears for poor Catherine...
A Beautiful Prison.
I’m glad they tore it down.
Harry-Potter-esque music adds a nice touch! Quite awesome to see a Tudor era palace uncovered. We love Jackie, and Neil, and Frances, and all the other rotating site directors, but none are a Mick Aston. So sad T.T. ended without you at the helm. R.I.P., Mick!
I said Disney lol close enough.
Probably inspired by those school uniforms 😁
I wish sometimes they would rebuild those old palaces. Just so us modern day folks could get a glimpse of what there were like in all grandeur. When all the colors where vivid and the glazes were shiny.
Look up guedelon castle.
What a mind blowing discovery story. The almost all powerful Woolsey and his greatest home, brought back to life by a teenager and his friends. Only to slumber another half century waiting for time team. The bards of old smile on this.
Ad a tragic tale I'd say 😊
@@user-hy7zb2vl3t oh I dunno my man, it felt very heartwarming to me :)
my ancestors come from Westmills Hertfordshire and Barkway....nice to see an episode in the region
I was always taught that Hampton Court Palace originally belonged to Wolsey and that he had created it in an extremely wealthy style. When Henry found out, Wolsey attempted to placate the king by gifting him with Hampton Court (it didn't work.) Wolsey had made some bad enemies because he was a commoner who dared to climb up among his betters. He was unable to get Henry's divorce from Catherine of Aragon annulled by the Pope. He also didn't approve of Henry's relationship with Anne Boleyn. He had fled to his country estate; the one being excavated in this video. Henry ordered him to return to London, but Wolsey died on the journey.
Hampton house, now an absorbed part of the palace, so enchanted Henry that he bought it and had the palace made. They did a time team episode on it.
Thank you for the information! 😊
Thanks so much for posting
Remember when GoPro shots were AMAZING...they used the shit outta them on this episode; love it!
Base court is from the French Basse Cour which means farmyard or entrance court.
wolsey was a fan of flashy base courts, it repeated in basically every property he held. crafty old goat wasnt he.
Almost made the mistake of building better than the king, plus other things 😊
Long galleries were often used by ladies to retreat to, away from the unseemly activities of the gentlemen still at dinner.
they should do a time team international. The show could go on forever. And imagine Phil Harding excavating stuff at Giza...hilarious!
That would need more than one generation of archeologist to find every archeological site in the world, because there is a lot of things that weren't excavated yet.
That Zahi Hawass idiot would be patrolling the dig all the time, screaming at them.
johnnytastetest I knew a guy that worked a season with Hawass, and he is an egotistical jerk as well as an idiot.
johnnytastetest Hawass was imprisoned by the new Egypt government... he's not overseeing/controlling Egypt's treasures anymore. That may be the only good thing the new gov't did!
They did a time team USA but wasn't as good in my mind no Phil or mick 😂💯😂💯
So glad to see TT was experimenting with a drone instead of using a helicopter. MUCH safer and cheaper, and they can still get the views they need. As a UAV pilot myself, I would love to fly their digs!
Celto Loco Never flown in a chopper, sorry to say. The best I can do is with my gogglevision FPV. Still, when a drone crashes, it usually doesn't kill anyone.
Jim Dille hi Jim i would like to know how to dig when flying a helicopter, it should be a guinness world of records.
LOL!
wasn't funny the first time
it was talked about that ther- palace - was demolished and al the bits and pieces sold off. but it was never explained WHY it was demolished.
My guess Henry VIII or cronies 😊
I copied this from Wikipedia "Hampton Court Palace is a royal palace in the borough of Richmond upon Thames, 11.7 miles (18.8 kilometres) south west and upstream of central London on the River Thames. Building of the palace began in 1515 for Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, a favourite of King Henry VIII. In 1529, as Wolsey fell from favour, the cardinal gave the palace to the King to check his disgrace. "
Such a shame that the show got cancelled just when Dr. Lipscomb got involved.
+Leopararouen You keep saying that but every time I see her handling documents without gloves it's been copies of the documents, not the actual ancient documents, like this episode, the document looked ancient on the front, but if you pay attention to the underside where it is still rolled up (where Dr. Lipscombs hand is resting on it at the edge of the table) it is modern poster paper, not ancient paper/vellum, plus you cannot roll up a document with a wax seal on it like that without the wax seal cracking and falling apart, so it is a copy of the original, not the original itself, and with so many experts on hand at least one of them would have said something to her if it was actual ancient documents she was handling. Also, why do you never say anything about the other TT members doing the same thing, like an earlier episode where she and Tony were looking at a guys family history, you commented on how she handled the document without gloves but didn't say a thing about the fact that Tony was right there handling the same document without gloves. Me thinks there may be a bit of jealousy on your part here. Maybe jealous that she gets to hang out with your crush Dr. Harding and you don't?
You're joking, right? Those are obviously posters. Considering the back is bright white and the seal at the bottom of the second one is flat on the paper with a blank background. Not to mention that she rolls it up and takes it out to the dig. Sounds like you are very bitter that someone can both be beautiful and intelligent.
I wonder how many times Wolsey had to pass the collection plate before he could afford that place. I wonder how many peasants who put money in the collection plates were allowed within a hundred yards of the place.
Exactly!
A symbol of all that was corrupt and a representation of the great chasm that existed between the classes.
Oh, how things change, the more they stay the same!
He is the cleric who is reputed to have said on his deathbed: 'If I had served my God as I have served my king, I would not now be afraid to die'.
that new-fangled drone technology will never fly!
It is amazing how much they have changed in seven years. Now they would use one 1/4th that size, be way more stable, and use a 4K camera.
those poor kids... those blazers are horrid LOL horrid in an adorable way.
It's a shame the Manor was lost to time. To think of the history it could've continued to witness had it survived in some way.
The schoolboys watching thinking, " I can grow up and get a small hand shovel and make a living going "stabby stabby in the dirt" dreamy eyed fools.
Will one day be our sages 😊
Thursday.2/13/2020. beautiful people and show.
how could a so splendid palace disappear into thin air ?
Amazingly this is commonplace. Palaces were torn down for many reasons, but they disappear because the building materials are carted away and used in other buildings, the stone and brick would have a lot of value and so selling it was sensible. I once owned a 1620 house in East Sussex that sat on foundations of an older medieval building and those foundations contained stone and tile from Roman building located about a mile away. Our village church had lots of Roman stonework in it, so this cycle has been going on for a long time. Another place similar to this called "Nonsuch Palace" in Surrey also all but disappeared too and was demolished allegedly to pay off gambling debts ! I remember this place clearly because, as a young boy, I stupidly fell into the moat (which is empty) and broke my foot.
Thanks Interesting fact !!
+History Fanatic Do you think they'd be torn down to also remove physical reminders of former dynasties and or nobles? It's wonderful there are historical preservation societies now to hold on to and look after upkeep. As an American I'm fascinated as to what it would be like to live among such historical contrasts. Just so awesome!
Eileenn D - yes, occasionally something was torn down in a vindictive spirit - watch the episode about Coventry cathedral - but generally it was pure economics.
so interesting!! Love it.
small correction you look at, not through stained glass
More members of the merchant and upper classes, who each paid more in bribes to Wolsey and his henchmen in one year than a thousand peasants could in a lifetime.
the card was an evil, greedy bastid.
I can't agree with Mick's oppinion about the new parts of Time Team being only to appear as a sensational. No, they appear to be normal Time Team episodes, the team is as normal as the old one was. But why Channel4 has scotched Time Team? I'll go and ask them. By the way I'm an retired archaeologist.
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Apart from official restrictions how long one is allowed to by employed, can an archaeologist retire easily? I mean, does your curiosity drop at some point in live?
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It was Season 19 that Mick was commenting on mainly, which was utterly dreadful. They attempted to row back to some semblance of normality for S20. Channel4 basically ruined Time Team by moving production from London to Cardiff, and thereby losing the majority of their production staff.
Aside from the bad series 19 this series is oldskool. Well that and the Disney score lol
I think many scholars think such videos are financed by other means than sold as entertainment.
demotic, denoting or relating to the kind of language used by ordinary people; colloquial. is a lad from hackney not allowed to be common ?
Nobody mentions Phil and his aging body. He is not digging like his younger self.
He's 60 odd? must be or 55 ish.
Actually he’s 70 years old
He was 64-65 during this show. He is currently 71. We all grow older and can't do as much as we once could. There is no shame there. And it sure beats being part of the archeology.
Is that a Dutch Army sweater Phil is wearing? :)
Does look like it.
I wonder if they filmed this season in one order and aired in a different one. Earlier episodes have a Geo Physics device that is pulled by cart, into of being pushed.
+Bryon Lape Yes, I just found Francis Pryor's blog and he mentions that.
pryorfrancis.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/time-team-series-20-my-first-episode-rig-day-20/
Stannous Flouride Thanks.
Stannous Flouride; And I have put his blog into my 'future viewing' folder, Thank you.
16:29 assume this is a copy considering they have their paws all over it...
But it's "all to play for"...
why was it torn down?
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kids being kids, digging holes boring ,flying planes super
How to turn a sports ground into a golf course?
does anybody know the name of the music in the intro?
a mate of mine knows the guy who wrote it. he's the son of some C4 executive or board member or someother and he gets a royalty every time it's played. nice work if you can get it...
I don't know about the intro, but I do know that the background music is bloody annoying, and wish it was not included.
Watching these shows makes it a sharp contrast to the young age of the US. Stone points are about as early as we get.
Spyplane aka TT Drone.
season (series?) 20 is so so hard to watch.
It is funny to see how pretzel-like the Time Team rhetoric has to be made to deal with a genuine, unapologetic, in-your-face Renaissance Man, Thomas Cardinal Wolsey. Preserving England from yet another protracted and hyper-expensive war with France, until resources were more favourable, a friend to some of the great humanists of the day, staggeringly rich - and using it to mark his presence also England's restored presence on the European stage. A man from lowly or modest background made good - in material terms, willing and more than able to tack with the prevailing political wind - when necessary, and - not unlike his namesake Thomas of Canterbury - he was a better friend to the king than to God, and paid the price for failure to please his temporal lord; unfortunately for him, in the eyes of posterity, he did not die the death of a martyr but that a traitor (whether deservedly so or not).
Thought he died of natural cause on the way to answer to Henry?????
jeez, their not looking for the hall of the mountain king, that music is over the top, ( O TT ) if i wanted heavy ide go to a punk fest
Agree, sometime it sounds like Alice in Wonderland, sometimes a horror movie, The music plays over top of Tony speaking, can’t hear clearly what is being discussed sometimes.
15:23 hellooooooo Suzzie. 😊 lol 🙈🙉🙊
Wolsey died on his way London to being charged with treason because he could not get King Henry VIII an annulment from his wife so he can get another wife. So king Henry the 8th changed religion so he could have an annulment and get a new wife. Does time team know how many building there where demolished because the King could not have his way?
Careful centuries of Brits have been in denial about their monarch and their Religion.
Jackie as 'Site Director' is the symbol of the last nail being driven into T.T. Sad. R.I.P Mick.
I love Jackie!
It is sad to have lost him. He was absolutely a cornerstone of the Team.
But, I feel they had achieved their goals X 10.
I am certain they are sorely missed. I've grown fond of them through my UA-cam viewing.
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She's quite endearing.
I like her too, but isn't she an osteoarcheologist? The bone expert? Strange she would direct a Tudor palace.
@@XlrationMedia I've worked a couple digs where archeo-osteologists were running trenches. Some were great at it, some weren't. I actually quite like Jackie running the dig. She knows her stuff and doesn't hear excuses. Anyway, would you rather her, or Neil?
hi Jim i would like to know how to dig when flying a helicopter, it should be a guinness world of records.
The geophys guy is wearing a New York Yankees (baseball) hat. I saw another Brit UA-camr wearing a Yankee hat and I asked him why. He said, "oh - is that what it is? I didn't know."
It's like someone wearing a Ramones band t-shirt and not know who the band are.
I truly doubt that he didn't know about it.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 I'm a subscriber to another channel - Gosforth Handyman - who was also wearing a Yankee hat and I commented asking him why he was wearing a Yankee hat. He said, "I didn't know that was what it was," hence my comment here.
@@rlevitta I wasn't disagreeing with you at all! _All_ I meant was that the geophysicist probably _did_ know what it meant.
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Always wanted to know what happened to all those trenches after the third day ? A gang of locals filling them all in or the diggers themselves ? I think we should be told.
Oh, gracious, didn't you know? Early on they realized that closing down was too much work so they hired Wessex Archaeology to do the post-excavation recovery and documentation. TT, with the help of Wessex, published more papers during its existence than just about all the other digs in the UK combined.
One of the costs of making an episode of TT was restoration of the landscape: It doesn't take much imagination to realize it costs more to restore a lawn than it does for low paid archaeologists to dig it up.
I noticed something quite strange ... when I brought this Time Team video up to watch it, one of the videos recommended by YT was: "The Rothschild Family - Puppet Masters".
Now, what on this planet have my fave archeologists to do with that band of philandering, child abusing villains?
Perhaps Wolsey was a bit fishy?
Or, and this is weird, is it because I'm wearing a "The Lion Sleeps No More" T-shirt for the first time?
Do tell me your thoughts on this :)
Does Phil's hat stink?
You go around sniffing people's hats??
I would think any respectable archeologists shoveling in the sun all day would deserve little spaces of their own or they would be sherkers. Squeeky clean archeologists are pikers.
Except the Venerable Mick.
For the past month I've been watching episodes from before season 10, the energy was great with excitement, everybody is there, Victor, Mick, Stuart, Helen, etc. Then today I watch this episode from season 20 and that excitement isn't there, it's very female oriented not team oriented, and it's not hard to tell Time Teams days are numbered.
Another episode where they dug up another man's trenches. Very convenient, but they found nothing that wasn't already documented.
On a protected site, they are only allowed to open so much trench area. Previously opened areas do not count against their square meter area allowed and there is always a chance of finding something missed on the first dig.
@@eironwyman8157 Beside its a reality program for your entertainment.
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Stick to the bones Jackie. This whole episode has a tense, unhappy, spiteful uncomfortable feel to it. Example, calling out the pottery guy for just sitting there when he spent the whole series doing that. A sad end to great show.
I agree that the sniping and bickering really degraded the program, but it had nothing to do with Jackie. It's all scripted for Tony, presumably to be funny, and Jackie's not jolly enough to smooth out his unkindnesses.
@John Rogers
Just change the channel, John, and stop whining about a show that others love. The rest of us keep changing with age, so why shouldn't the show?
Do all British kids have to dress like clowns to go to school?
I think most UK school have a school uniform, it's definitely a thing in Australia.
The more expensive the school, the more they go in for costumes.
A few schools have silly uniforms but most don't. It's the same in many anglo-phone countries.
I think it should be mandatory world wide
Hardly a white child left in that school ...
And how does that affect you ?
@@StevenPennyphotography Guess he's missing his prey. He can't get it up if they ain't white.
We need to get that birth rate up👍🏻
not being funny,,,,,,anyone spot the white kid ???
Very beginning throwing a ball....
Long galleries were often used by ladies to retreat to, away from the unseemly activities of the gentlemen still at dinner.