New Bosch Motor Update! | First Ride On The 2021 Performance Line CX Software Update
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Here is a sneak peek of the new Bosch motor software update! It now features an Extended Boost feature that may really help some riders on technical terrain.
The assistance level modes are Eco, Tour, E-MTB, Turbo. The E-MTB mode modulates the amount of support depending on different scenarios. Which should improve climbing ability due to added torque (85Nm) through a wider cadence range.
This update will be stock on OEM Performance Line CX Gen 4 motors for 2021 and updates should be available to people with existing gen 4 motors Summer 2020.
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Sunny Torbay, not today got a new gravel bike delivered yesterday so that's my steed for today :)
No, because yet again I hurt from falling off :(
Plus it's stinking hot..............
Q1: Barcelona Q2: I hope yes Regards!!!
From Iceland and if I get my way then YES, I will be riding today like yesterday and the day before :-)
Great day to ride my Stance or Emonda here in Tennessee. Been looking into a new e bike soon
I"m two weeks into my new bike that came with a CX4 motor. i had no idea the of what EMTB mode was. I came upon a rock pile on my second ride, and the bike seemed to say, "Let's do this!". I have since looked this up. Now I understand what they're up to. It is amazing! Now, I look forward to difficult sections. this thing just motors over them. Great Job Bosch!
Well done Steve and well done Bosch - shows yet again who's the boss of the e-bike motors. Add the solid warranty and bullet-proof reliability I am SO SO glad I went for Trek and Bosch!
Really excellent video, well presented and some top riding there. As a non eMTB rider, you’re tackling riding I could only dream about!
Really impressed by Bosch precision engineering. Excellent film Mr Jones, keep it up.
Extended Boost is a game changer! I love it!! Not sure if this vid did the best job showing how it works. The best way I can describe it is if you give it a hard 1/4 pedal stroke you get the same power and distance under power of a full 360 degree pedal stroke, possibly even longer if you're in a taller gear. This means that in chunky rock sections where you will pedal strike like mad, you can simply ratchet the pedals a 1/4 turn at at time and power through the whole section. Same for step ups or big logs, just give the pedals a kick and let the motor do the work.
This really feels like a big step unleashing the full potential of ebike performance. This is a very clever way to get the benefit of a throttle blip without actually having a throttle. Great job Bosch, I can only imagine what the next few years of R&D will bring.
This needs be a download via your laptop at home, shouldn’t have to take my bike all the way back to my dealer to update it.
That is mega news for all Bosch gen 4 users. The motor was pretty good from the start and now it seems to rank amongst the very best. Kudos to Bosch engineers.
Now those are some amazing handling skills.
Man that guy was taken completely by surprise with your phone call. Haha
I really wish Bosch would make 'special case updates' that bike owners could download and update their motor or kiox etc. software.
There are people that have these bikes that live in far remote areas or countries and are unfortunatly not able to go to their original dealers.
Greets from Lebanon Beirut!
Dan from Pennsylvania . Your forest looks a lot like ours. Nicely done vid.
Awesome review and some great technical explanations
Great vi. I;'ve got my 1st MY
TB on order & it's got this motor on it, so can't wait to try it out soon
Really enjoyed watching this. Now I wonder if Shimano steps will offer the same update on their motors. Great video.
Steve: "Hey Claus, how's it going?"
Claus: "FFS What do you want now, Steve?"
Really makes sense for a bike shop to sell Bosch motors. Every upgrade at least, the customer has to visit the shop for the free upgrade, and who knows while they wait for the upgrade to happen they might just choose to have something services or fixed. Maybe buy an accessory in the shop.
@Tasunke what if there isn't another one? Not everyone has 500 authorized dealers nearby like you. Instead of telling people they just have to 'man up', use your brain a little next time you post a comment.
Wow and the Oscar go to Steve Jones for his scene where he pretends to talk on the phone
That gave me a good chuckle 😆
Aww thanks! haha ....well spotted..the call did actually happen though!
@@stevejones7956 So do all Bosch owners have a direct call to assistance whilst out on the trails :) hahaha
emtb mode is basically shifting the levels of power depending on the degree of angle. which internally there is a gyroscope that monitors yap,pitch,roll and then tells the controller to put it in whatever power is needed based upon the pitch. i have the same technology in my CYC X1 PRO.
Nothing to do with angle, it's just torque sensing, the harder you push the pedals the higher the boost assist. Emtb just jumps higher boost per pedal effort. Jumps from tour to turbo even on the flat if you suddenly pedal harder.
So glad I went with Bosch over the Shimano steps system, picked up a Trek Rail 7 a fortnite ago. Unfortunately our local bikes shops have a 6 week waiting list for servicing.
6 weeks here too. I guess we book now?
Got the Trek Rail 9.7 2020 gen4 last December. Over 2000 km and no motor problems at all. I’m glad i went with the Bosch motor and I cant wait for the update.
After my girlfriend rode my Trek, she wanted an eBike as well. We ordered a Cube access with the same Bosch motor, which we collected yesterday.
Asked the bike shop to check for the new update over the phone after watching this video, they said nothing had come through. When we arrived in the shop an hour later, update was available! Plugged it in, around 5 minutes to install, if you ask them really nicely, get them to set the region as Canada, you'll grain an extra 5mph because they have a higher restriction speed (20mph).
I've had to prebook my first service for end of August, they'll install the update then.
Is there any potential impact on battery health due to what seems like a requirement to suddenly draw a large spike of current?
Never thought about it but do the battery packs have any capacitors to protect the battery from this?
Las Vegas, Nevada. Rode this morning before it hit 110 degrees. The lower cadence sensitivity is something I'm really missing with my Yamaha. I am not a high cadence rider. Never have been.
BTW, there is a certain playfulness in your demonstrations that says as much about the ride as your words do. The technology is certainly improving.
Of course a great motor with an amazing technology but also very impressive riding skills!
Is it possible to do this update yourself at home or does it need to be take to a local dealer? Love the channel and vids by the way!
I will be interested to see the changes to the cadence. Most people don't get the high cadence cheat code on emtb's.
That’s the first Haibike I really liked the look of. Seems like a useful firmware upgrade to an already useful motor. That said, I’m ever more happy with my 2020 Levo Comp and the Brose motor. Ultimately though this must be putting a lot of pressure on Shimano who are being left behind... I expect something special soon from them.
WOW Better & Better Gooder & Gooder
New Bosh,I have enough to think about without thinking about what the bike is thinking about if you get my drift. Going for a road ride into New Quay Wales today. Capt Harry
I've got a Gen 3 w/a glitch. I discovered that I can peddle past the 30 km/hr choke when in EMTB mode!
had same it is software get an update and will be gone
Any idea when we, here in the USA can get Haibike's new bike like this, with the Bosch motors? Is the Flyon a totally different motor? Thanks!
Wow! 2020 went by fast.
Awesome! Thanks for the video, and....what about Kiox update? Hope more training features will finally be implemented.....do you ha e any news in that or plan a video?
And upgrade on the awful app please
I've got the performance line motor 2020 (cruise?) with the standard four modes of assist. Is there any upgrades for this motor?
Australia..waiting arrival any day of my Focus Jarifa2 with the Bosch. I’ve purchased separately the Kiox. Hoping it will work out.
Very Interesting .Firmware /Software updates really improve previous models.
I would love to try updated Bosch which maybe is now currently the best motor .
Have 2018 and 2020 levo's. Updates to 2018 Levo Brose motor and battery really has made them as good as 2020 motors even better as they are more bullet proof.?????Elephant in the frame?????? Set eco 20/30 Trail to 35/55 Turbo 60/100 really smooth strong and rideable .Also have a Shimano E8000 very good but a bit sudden on technical climbs and just doesn't have the pedal control and smoothness of levo or outright grunt.
Not sure if this has all ready been asked but when we leave the EU will you be able to del restrict your mtb and will all those sold after have a higher speed limit, thank.
Do I need take bike to the dealer for update? Done Kiox update via app already. What about +10 NM update?
Good Job !
Thank You.
After the year that never was, where has the TQ motor gone on the Haibike platform?
Biggest annoyance with bosch motors, you can't do the upgrades at home, you have no choice but to fork out money to get your local approved LBS to do it for you, even though in this day and age its as simple as plugging a usb cable in.
Yes i agree this to the fullest. Also you need to be a Bosch service point in order to get access to their software and cables.
Which is straight up impossible for a consumer and even annoying for small businesses.
The Bosch eBike connect app can upgrade the firmware via Bluetooth
my LBS does it for free. No hassle at all. Did a software update last week, no appointment, 5 minutes, done.
@@1barnet1 Yep, had I known when I got my bike that I would be restricted in this way, I would have gone for a shimano steps or other branded motor instead that does allow the user to upgrade its software. Hell Tesla do their upgrades automatically over the air.
There are tons of classes w/software by Bosch. Just pay for the software and class - it isn't a lot.
My wife owns a 2017 Haibike SDURO "hardtail" with the CX motor. Please do a video about cadence & gear vs. Eco/Tour/sport/turbo to maximize chain life and battery/ride distance. I keep telling her to increase cadence... But she keeps lugging (slow-peddle) Up hills.
This man is popping wheelies like it's piss easy
Does anyone know if yamaha have an update for the PW-SE motor? I have a 2019 haibike
I'd like to see how this motor compares to others now it has the upgrades. Has it taken over the King Of Motors from Brose?
does the update effect battery life in a positive or negative way?
hi guys. just got my trek powerfly 7 (2020) from update at my local dealer and i noticed EMTB mode on purion display is now replaced with SPORT mode? is ot OK or...?
A great motor just got greaterer 🤪
How much Bosch paid you Steve to plug the extra 10nm ? Did you ask them if they have sorted the bearing and water ingress problems ?
Hi,can i update my bosch performance line cx 4 motor from ktm 2019 with this update? And how? Or people must buy a new motor with this software
I am trying to find a full suspension emtb for my friend who is 205cm tall. Is that even possible? Please help!
What about tuning protection? Can it be tuned to 35kph? Stupid 25kph limiter is driving me nuts.
I want a emtb, but going to buy from an e shop what happens then?
The new 2024 update is now available in uk from Monday past adding auto, sport and emtb(165 short crank) apparently its pushed the 15.5 up to 19mph though so i think this will be over written as soon as bosch realise its clocked to high for UK! Ha
you can only choose 4 to run but can toggle throughout the others removing and adding them auto and emtb short crank modes are now present on the kiox together! The US got this update last year I've been waiting for ours Rob at embt relised the info yesterday on his forum! The US guys are replacing Turbo with the auto mode now saying its the only mode thats needed its spot on perfect so really curious to test this! Im just this second away to update my smart system and go for a blast!
This black Hibike is epic
Very smart move by Bosch
Steve loves it! It will be available to the public sometime this summer 👍
Will update work on 2017 bosch cx motor.
Awesome!!
We bought a pair of Trek Powerfly FS G2’s a couple of months ago, so feel a bit cheated at no software update for gen 2 motors.
Same here i own a Trek Powerfly LT 9.7 gen 2
tough shit!buy a newer bike!
Mab !!! Hahaha harsh but true
John Horner research before u buy.
Got a bike a few months ago. Is there a way I can tell if I have the update
What is it like after cut off?
I need to update my gen 4, but we have no dealer here in my country.
does anyone know if you can update the motor just by having the motor (without bike)?
that case I would ship the motor only, to the original dealer, your feedback will be highly appreciated!
wonder if it will shred the circuit board over time
Does anyone know what the correct firmware version number for this tune ?
Love Bosch
Yesterday i was at servise guy. He conected my bike to the comp and a new software uptade was made. Duno if that was this one, my bike is 2020 cx4.
I read that the update was due out in July
Steve, what did you mean 'Bosch say the pedals rarely if ever jam' at 3.33?
I think it means when the motor doesn't give any support. He mentions this when talking about the extended boost feature where one is going very slowly - no pedal rotation(?) - over a difficult obstacle. You then apply pressure to the pedals and the motor "kicks in". If the motor did not kick in, then this would feel as if the pedal "jammed" since it would be almost impossible for the rider to move the bike- or rotate the pedals - on pure leg power.
@@zedpoutine It will be interesting to see how this works in reality. Having ridden ebikes for a while now, the one thing i notice is that a stalled ebike, sucumbs to gravity more than a lighter non ebike.. i.e if an object or incline is causing you to stall, calling on the motor to give you a turbo shove without the need to pedal sounds like a great idea at first and sure may at times work, however being clipped in when this occurs might be an unwelcome shove :)
I recently upgraded to EMTB mode. My display still says sport and EMTB at bottom of screen is that normal
Hi how do I go on about getting mine upgraded please
can someone please tell me which version introduces this?
I've got a 2018 Merida E160-800 with a Shimano E8000 motor... I wonder if Shimano is likely to follow Bosch in upgrading the power of it's motor & software to match Bosch???
:) there are software mods available for the E8000 that let you change all settings. Assist %, torque Nm value and Watt and across all modes. All settable to values you choose.
2022 now and shimano just released whole new engine
Hey EMBN! Steve's doesn't seem to understand the extended boost feature! I believe it means in technical terrain when you can't continuously rotate the cranks due to a trail obstacle that your pedal will strike the new software will keep the power on when you stop pedaling momentarily! The example in the vid showed continuous crank rotation as Steve rode over the obstacle! Please check with Bosch and clarify this please! Ride ride ride!
From the Philippines with love ...but... It is a pity that we do not hear the sound of the engine, this was the opportunity to hear it not that music ..
Question for you guys, is it possible to find a decent EMB for under 3500...wait for it... Canadian? :( and in Canada. Been looking like mad (I am in Toronto).
Rize rx pro, but it's a hardtail
Orbea wild with Bosch motor on bord arriving in June!! V excited first e bike..anyone here got one? Any advice...
What is the difference between Bosch performance line. And performance line CX?
So does the bafang ultra actually have 160bn of torque? Seems to leave everyone else in the dust
It certainly does I have ridden a volition bike built in Sydney Australia fitted with a 60 volt battery that comes custom programmed and it was capable of 66kmh on the flat and had drive train damaging torque. So much so they only offer a 3month drive train warranty on such a beast if you order one..level 2 pas is equivalent to boost on a shimano equipped bike. The 25kmh limit only applies to bikes ridden on road in Australia..Off road go for it but risk the damage...chains are cheap.
If the bike shows EMTB mode then the software is updated with boost?
I have a gen 4 2020 motor so im happy I will be able to get the software update this summer. However, what if I want to upgrade the actual motor in my trek rail 9.8 to the new 2021 motor with more torque? is that possible? Or even desired?
Nice bike choice, I have the same. If you update the software you will effectively have a 2021 motor. This is only a software/firmware change, not a hardware change.
@@BrentDunstan oh, so the software change gives my 2020 motor 10 more watts of torque? from 75 to 85?
@@1968Stratocaster 10 more newton metres if you're an engineering nerd like me. Torque = twisting moment which multiplied by RPM gives power so technically yes but the motor will still be limited to 250 watts average power as required by law. From the reviews I've read so far it sounds like it's not that noticeable on the trail but the other changes to how the EMTB and power overrun work are great.
@@BrentDunstan Thanks! sounds like the 2021 physical motor is exactly the same and its just a software upgrade. this wasn't clear to me after watching the video.
Is there an extended boost mode or is this integrated into the Emtb mode
Boost mode is the next higher level of assist you can choose where it is on all the time. Just buying my bike now so don't have enough experience to compare too much but another rider said he just stays in boost all the time here in Colorado mountains.
Do you know DU firmware version including this upgrade?
Guess I’ll be making an appointment soon as when I bought my 2020 model Focus Thron2 6.8 from my local dealer they told me to pop in every so often for an update, there was no mention of cost, I was already with the performance as it has allowed my 63 year old crappy knees to tackle climbs that killed them on my old GT I-link 5 0.4 trail Mtn bike.... anybody want to buy it 😆
Hmmm. My english ist not so good. I ride a Focus Jam2 2020 with the CX4. Is the New Update a software or a hardware (motor) update? Best regards from Germany 🇩🇪
Ein Software Update das für alle Gen4 Motoren noch diesen Sommer zur Verfügung stehen soll. ;)
sk-m 🙏 wow, danke. Mega News
Hopefully they're going to update that GOD AWFUL E Bike connect app, it's absolutely garbage 😂
Are these updates going to work on my 2019 Bosch cx
They only mentioned the GEN 4 2020 and 2021. The 2019 GEN 3 is a completely different motor and if I had to guess it probably does not have the sensors that are required to effectively implement the new boost feature.
Is the update from 1.02 to 1.03??
was hoping to hear about experience above cut off
Yes me too
1500 says its seamless after 25kph
There's no reason it's any different. Motor is off above cutoff and the new CX has very low drag when off. It's what it is.
@@TheAntoine191 There is a reason why it is absolutely different. The gen4 doesn't have the transmission the old one had. There for the new one is absolutely seemless. Which i can also confirm from riding it in my Ghost Hybride ASX.
@@chapchap5944 I would not call it seamless but definitely much improved over gen. 3 motors....
You can see Jones is on his settings page on his phone.... lol! I thought it was a real call....
🤦♂️🤣🤫 He did a real call but probably this was just a different take for the video.
Thanks for that insight Alex.... how's things in sunny Italy?
is this support 2019 powerfly
trek fs7
Looking more like trials riding 😎
Is this upgrade available for earlier gen 3 Bosch motors?
Not according to Bosch
Does it still rattle when going downhill like a bag of spanners?
I want an emtb so bad... but none of my local trails allow them yet
That's ridiculous.
They will soon enough.
LOL your skills are quite good actually!
Yeah he used to be a pro rider, he knows what he's doing.
Are we talking full on M.G, Mountain Goat mode ? 🤣😂🤣
Do you think that shimano will upgrade anything in the next few years?
Rumours that a whole new motor to be released for 2021 ...not sure how true it is will have to wait and see.
@@intrudercruz I would say almost with certainty that all manufacturers will provide all manner of upgrades over the next few years. Question is do you want to wait for what might be available in a few years or have fun today. Pretty much every form of new(ish) device goes thru various upgrades, new releases etc. Its a fun time to be riding I say.
Is Bosch working on a new motor for 2022? Is that why CUBE is not making bikes anymore? All out of stack.
I look ,weight and noise are much more important than just the power increase by a few newton.Wish more manufacturers would do that rather than more &more power.we don't need a motor bike but rather a bike.
If you want to fake a phone call, turn off the screen. Many phones turn the screen off automatically when making a call.
What about the knock in the motor when riding is it still there? as it is annoying from what I hear. Maybe they should concentrate on that problem rather than ignoring it eh
I don't think its bad at all i rarely hear it. motor is pretty quiet over all.
@@johncooper6884 Thanks mate, have never ridden one with the Bosch motor but from all reports I have seen, the knock is def there, but will try one in the Focus Jam and see for myself. They look the goods and seem to be improving things at a good pace.
100 miles in on my Cube Stereo 160 AT and I have crank play already. Very disappointed, it seams the bearings are just not up to the job.
Waiting to hear about the 2021 Specialized Levo Turbo Comp. Have one on order.