I think it’s astonishing that UA-camrs are researching this stuff more than actual archeologists. And finding more breakthroughs in the last couple years than established archeology has in decades. How in the world has nobody ever thought to run scans on those vases until now? It’s quite literally smoking gun proof of advanced tech. You are not making those vases with a stick and some grass and copper.
@@brosettastone7520 because You and most of the "UA-camrs" are not Masons. Most of those mysteries are GEOPOLIMERS or imprints of previous disasters. Saying that the megalithoare made of GEOPOLIMERS is not diminish the fact that they were not an advanced Civilization.. on the opposite! GEOPOLIMERS confirm that we have advanced Civilization before ice age! ...this is the problem with the STATUS QUO. 🙏
Yes, but you tubers ignore all the evidence, draw up their own conclusions without carrying out any research whatsoever, make up thier own theories which they then try and put forward and fact in order to make a quick buck to fund thier channel as folks are gullible. This channel has been shot down so many times, just factually incorrect.
Tubers are doing the research and finding the actual facts about all this stuff because none of them (us) has a degree, academic standing and a beloved theory or misexplaination to get in the way of truth.
nah you're jumping to conclusions out of the fear that they may be onto something. Lots of these guys state over and over and over again that they DO NOT have the answers. They ask way more questions than "the experts" who only have answers and rarely ask questions.
I’m specifically talking about Ben mostly. And the scanned vases. That is raw data. There is no guessing, it’s smoking gun proof of advanced lathing. No other way around it
Ben V. does some of the best work in this field. His reporting on the scans of these PRE DYNASTIC igneous stone vases can not be debated. I think we can conclude they are too precise, too hard, too thin in some cases to have been done by hand with the primitive tools the Egyptians had access to. Nobody has ever demonstrated that those results could be replicated without being turned on center. The burden of proof is on those that claim they are the result of primitive tools.
The burden of proof is on Ben et al. He generalizes, he speculates and he lies. Ask Ben about his the precision vases, Ben can you prove to me those vases are indeed from some time frame before pre-dynastic Egypt? Hes made 10+ videos about those vases and has NEVER proved their prominence. Ben prove the prominence of those vases. Also prove to me the older stuff is indeed the most precise? He wont reply because he cant, all he has is speculation. Lastly its shocking to me a man who seeks truth using science can be an antiVaxxer and a Covid denier.
@@AtkinsAtelier your comment is going to age well. T minus 1 week. Vases from the petrie museum have been scanned. Impeccable provenance. Its going to drop on KarolyPoka channel. What then? are you going to face the precision reality of vases with provenance or still mutter in the comment section? Booster boy.
Ben has vases from private collectors who's providence is not established, the scan have thousands of data points deleted I don't trust anything he does
I can't wait to see the full interview! I post new videos every week of lesser-known Peruvian ancient megalithic sites for those interested in this chapter of our past!
So many people thinking there was no ancient civilisation (12,000+ years ago ) that got wiped and we (12,000+ years) found it, used it amazes me, you can see they are all related around the world .
@darrensanimalsvideos Indeed, and some archaeologists in the past were ridiculed and maligned, and even had their funding withdrawn and careers wrecked for daring to suggest what was eventually found to be true. If there's one thing we can be sure of with archaeology, is that it's built on dishonesty, and refusal to consider any theories that contradict the official story, until they are dug up and they've no choice but to acknowledge them. These people are not furthering our knowledge of history. They are holding us back.
@AndySmith4501 yes, sad when arrogance and self worth get in the way of the natural order. Their egos at being wrong when they were SO right. Maybe you guys didn't know it all, you didn't think we'd find out eventually, like Tartaria being on maps everywhere, the communists wipe history and write their own but you can't wipe everything. As these magnificent megalithic buildings show. I think may e they found another civilisation that has been wiped and built big to make sure we knew someone was here before. Or my favourite, giants . Different atmodpheres make bigger or smaller flora and fauna, if we had megafauna, why wouldn't we be part? If wombats were 10 to 20x bigger... a 50ft person is wild but not impossible. Massive footprints all over, some carved but most are real. You can see where the mud has compacted and lifted before setting. Hard
Yes. There’s an ancient city a few miles from lake Titicaca (can’t remember the exact distance) with a wharf. Geologists say the water would only have reached the wharf 15000 years ago, anthropologists say people didn’t arrive in South America until around 7000 years ago and didn’t build cities before 5000 years ago. Two sets of contradictory facts, both parties claim they are right.
@nigelliam153 I wonder how many civilisations have been wiped. I mean if like velikovsy says, at the pole flip the earth stops but everything on it keeps going. That would turn just about any civilisation (except underground maybe but they and everything in the underground would travel too.) It would be ground to mud. Only stuff like gornaya shoria and that massive thing they found underground near there would survive. Imagine everything (so much water) travelling at 1500kmh
@@AndySmith4501 I think you have a somewhat ill informed view of archaeology perhaps derived from conspiracy theorists you watch. Archeologists use the principles of science that is they base there historical reasoning on facts and data and not wild theories or claims that have zero evidence to back up. It’s ludicrous to think a archaeologist would hide the truth and refuse to believe something as amazing as an undiscovered civilisation - they likely got into the profession for that very reason to discover something thats never been discovered before . But it would be completely irresponsible of them to spread theories of ancient civilisations without a shred of eveidence . These vases as amazing as they are provide no evidence - something you can’t explain proves nothing
So many of those mysteries are in very active war zones (again). That any of it has survived thus far is amazing, but apparently we're still up to destroying them.
There is no mystery. Those that came before were not quite us, were smarter than us. They were destroyed, we are those that remain. And this history is being erased. We are not meant to know. There are things on this very chat making comments explicitly intended to disguise the evidence of ancient advanced societies.
Ben is a str8 dude fr, and it’s gonna take a lot like him to undo a lot of what Zahi Hawass has done to stall anything that doesn’t align with his narrative of how they did these things. Much respect and appreciation ❤
9:33 EXCELLENT .. regardless of the opinions that are arrived at afterwards ACTUAL, physical, TESTING scanning, measuring, weighing, ALL FACT GATHERING ... like this picture displays, ar of PARAMOUNT importance to learn what we can from the artifacts!!! Just seeing this picture makes me happy ....... if only we were allowed to make any and ALL (non-destructive of course) measurements of EVERYTHING !!! For example we should have at hand surface scans of EVERY high precision artifacts from the smallest Vase's to the largest Statues!! and Pillars / Obelisks
You can get access to measure artifacts in most museums. This guy is blagging you when he talks about the precision of those vases, both because they have zero credible evidence of when they are from and because they are quite imprecise - you can even clearly see with the naked eye, how wonky the "lug handles" are. At this point, Ben is definitely a charlatan by my reckoning. He has been given enough information and resources that answer his questions that he claims no one can or will answer, yet fails to refute any of them and blocks anyone who points him in a direction that doesn't fit his grift.
Whats freaky is that everything is scattered about like its broken lego ,what force could spit,crumble,toss and possibly melt these blocks especially as these structures seem to resilient to earthquakes, tornados and rain
I want to make a wild suggestion. According to ancient Greek descriptions as well as other ancient stories, there was a time before the moon. Without the moon the surface of the Earth would be very unstable due to the rotation of the planet. If the instability was so extreme that standard methods of construction were not viable then it makes sense that this society would attempt to develop a method that would last against the instability. Again, this is just a theory.
A so-called time before the moon might simply refer to years upon years of overcast or dust laiden skies blocking out the moon at night after some large scale catastrophe such as a massive volcanic eruption or an extra terrestrial object striking earth and forcing up dust which may have created nuclear winter type scenario which lasted for years upon years. The point at which the story began would really have been during this time with the moon was not visible. Even the last 2000 years there are multiple multi year events such as this where the sun was not visible or summer did not come in Europe and that sort of thing. We are talking about simpler people in simpler times he did not analyze the way we do now.Occums razor type suggestions
The theory isn’t that construction techniques advance with time. It’s much more complex with highs and lows in technological advancements. The Bronze Age collapse is a prime example of a massive loss of technological advancement.
This is very plausible, but sadly most won't agree with you here, it's could also true that they might have decided it was too time consuming to continue building like the earlier more precise work, or that they didn't/couldn't afford the resources or man power, and there is absolutely no proof they couldn't continue if they wanted to. It's very similar today, so many old technics and skills no longer used, or very seldom used anyway, making things completely by hand is far rarer now days, doesn't mean it can't be done. Sadly most want to believe these fantasies, and i say fantasies because they come with even less proof than the so called mainstream archeology. This guy deletes comments on his videos from people who have different views to his, but who also post confirmed proof that prove his theories are false, he's also been debunked so many times, an obvious one is he keeps saying you can't cut or make holes in granite with copper, he ignores a basic fact that by adding a mixture of quartz sand and water to the mix, its indeed very possible. If you have a look at any of his videos on his channel, look through the comments, not one single comment will oppose any of his fantasies,
The heaviest foundations survived the 1st global catastrophe. Survivors built on top. The next catastrophe was violent. Then survivors went underground. Epochs have gone by many times.
"The next catastrophe was violent" As opposed to the first catastrophe which was a walk in the park ? "Then survivors went underground" Where they ate... what ? Why did they go underground after the catastrophe ? "Epochs have gone by many times." They probably have although this sentence looks nonsensical
Ben, do you think there is a time gap between Hanan Pacha and Uran pacha?? Perhaps two different versions of technologically advanced peoples in the area? Perhaps the hanan pacha is INSANELY old, and the Uran pacha is also 10,000 years + pre flood age. Crazy to think about a technologically advanced people, coming across even older technologies
Interested to hear that there was stoneware traffic going up the Nile in ancient times. I was under the impression that most large obelisks etc. were quarried in the South and then transported downstream to places like Giza. Today going up the Nile in a large powered vessel entails passing through several locks, but perhaps the topography was different in the era of the mystical ancient civilisations of Ben et al.
You are missing the critical aspect of the Nile river prior to the building of the Aswan dam in the 1960s. Namely the annual flooding event, known as the akhet (rise/horizon) in ancient Egyptian. It was so regular and dependable that Egypt was regarded as the bread basket of the ancient world for the sheer insane amount of grain they produced from the flood waters continually renewing their fields with minerals washed down stream from the mountains to the south. The floods lasted 4 months out of every year. During these times it would have been far more feasible to transport heavy loads up and down the river, and a now extinct branch of the Nile passed nearby basically every significant pyramid in the country, which tidily explains how they shipped so much fine white Tura limestone to every pyramid for structural and cover blocks.
@@mnomadvfx we should find large stones under the water or the areas that Nile flooded if they were transported that way just because of the procent of fail in every aspect.
The Sarapeum at Saqqura was for "Apis Bulls" F O H.. Those boxes were the cases for the "Weapons of Terror" the Annunaki spoke of that were specifically hid away in an underground complex , and were designed to to survive any of Earth's cataclysmic cycles, we also know why they were all found empty as the Annunaki used these weapons that were similar to our hydrogen bombs, however they did not anticipate with the chemical composition of our atmosphere at the time the "Evil Wind" recorded in the cuneiform that made greater Egypt desolate. The systems the hybrid humans suffered were clearly some type of radiation sickness along with the desolation of any agricultural and plant life in general. The Great Pyramid was muti purpose. It made a type of heavy water and provided energy along with a use for mining that I wont bore you with the details, basically they wanted to extract gold from seawater but they never could get the return rate initially figured so they repurposed it for other uses. (Any other theories I'd love to hear what y'all have come across in your research. ) MH370 where did it go.. Boeing 777 through a wormhole. - Surry Virginia.
How did we go from horse and buggy to space ship. That's a good question. Our progress has really took off in a short time. It makes me think we ended up with advanced technology. So same thing could have happened then. Who knows
Same with the boxes in Egypt. Structures were built around them or caves dug to find them, I believe the were thought to be resurrection crèches, not sarcophagi
Can you expand on the 'drill holes cant be done' theory? I found it a little vague in its current form. I dont clearly see the perfect spiral pattern i would expect from a modern drilling machine. Yes, there are concentric lines on that picture, but they do not seem that regular at all.
Plenty of videos of deep dives on it. They wrap a string around, count the rotation ps vs the depth and we don’t have a bit that can handle that today. Tremendous pressure on the bit to achieve what they did.
Yes, theoretically, a stonemason could use hydrofluoric acid to shape a giant stone, even without metal tools. Here’s how it could work: Applying the Acid: The stonemason pours hydrofluoric acid onto the stone’s surface. The acid would start to dissolve the stone, making it softer and easier to work with. Shaping the Stone: Once the stone is softened, the stonemason could use tools made from bone, stone, or other materials to shape the stone. These tools could help carve and smooth the stone to fit the desired shape. Repeating the Process: This process could be repeated multiple times to achieve the precise shape needed to fit with other stones. This method could be particularly effective for large stones, like a 20-ton boulder, as it doesn’t require heavy metal tools. However, it’s important to note that hydrofluoric acid is extremely dangerous and requires careful handling and appropriate safety measures.
combining sulfuric acid with fluoride creates hydrofluoric acid. both were known on pretty ancient civilizations. There is NO EVIDENCE that people in the ice age did not have it, and no evidence they did.
Could make sense, but it would have to be something easy to store and handle I guess? I saw a UA-cam video claims that the Egyptians used salt to soften the granite.
@@David66Peterson Yes, you have 2 mixtures, fluoride and mild sulphyric acid, that can be moved in leather pouch. and then just combine them and damn, it's xenomorph level acid.
All these ruins are old ancient dams, and the terraces weren't for farming, but separating minerals in search of gold, silver, and lots of other minerals mined out of the ground.
I keep saying, when all you have is wood, water, stone and the sky, and pretty much no other distractions, you are going to get *really* good at using what you have, as humanity marched every onwards, learning new skills, sadly, we left the old skills behind. Per capita today compared with "then" stone crafters and wood crafters would feature in far greater ratios, and no doubt you will get the "Da Vinci's" the "Michael Angelo's" of their preferred medium. Why would you spend the months making a wafer thin vase from granite, when you can churn out dozens a week in pottery? Here comes humanity learning "throw away society" at such a young age. Great for historians l guess :D (edit would feature ,not found feature).
At 10:31 I noticed how you are setting up the Dial Indicator is absolutely incorrect. The stem on the indicator should never be perpendicular to the Axis of the pivot joint when the indicator is 90 degrees off the direction of rotation of the vase. This creates chatter and can reset your zero and give a false reading and damage the indicator requiring recalibration. Unless slightly oiled with a light mineral oil to lubricate the dial as it contacts abrasive stone. Dials were made for metal not stone. Accuracy to the hundreds of an inch isn’t that precise as compared to today’s requirements should be in the 10,000th of an inch. Still these rock vases are astonishing considering they haven’t found or told us about a lathe with carbide or better; diamond cutting tools. So how did they do it? They had steel lathes and mills with corundum or diamond cutting tools. There’s just no other answer. It weren’t magic. Anything made of metal back in the days when most everything was an abandoned if found by locals or transients, any metal would be busted up and melted down to make weapons. Blades were the money of the day back when. That’s why I think nothing will be found or it has and is being hidden.
Correct, about the measuring setup. ONE Vase, wrongly measured, does not give grounds to derive a conclusion about a TECHNOLOGY. Technology (by definition) produces MANY products. A machine set up once for manufacturing of THAT vase can make MANY same (quality) products, for sale, for the maker to MAKE money. Aha, the Ancients did not care about money, they did not know money, or what? LOL The PROVENANCE of the object of analysis MUST be absolutely assured. Was it, in this (vase's) case? Please visit some Egyptian contemporary souvenir shops for more such vessels...
It seems like, these claims that Egyptian stonework gets more impressive further back in time are a bit exasperating - he says it does, and some mainstream archaeologists say it doesn't, and you don't know what to make of it, and he often has to resort to re-dating some objects and saying that they're older than other archaeologists say they are to make his claim fit, such as the Saqqara boxes which are normally considered to be New Kingdom or Ptolemaic (that's what inscriptions and records say) and thus would contradict his claim, which in the absence of him giving any other explanation looks like a mark against his claim as it looks like circular reasoning.
Interesting the dynastic pictorials of ancient Egyptian construction techniques the only problem with them is, one would have thought if they did build the great pirymid of Giza there should be at least some depiction of this was done as far as I am aware there are none.😮 Regards
@richardbailey3343 The depiction of the statue being moved with sleds only puts an exclamation point on the fact that dynastic egypt was capable of moving large stones to new locations. Moving or reworking a statue is much different than actually making some of these megalithic sites and it doesn't suprise me at all that the dynastic Egyptians would of been proud of their ability to move these huge stones and wrote it down but yet they made no mention of building the pyramids nor most of the other sites. This is also why we are encouraged not to underestimate the dynastic Egyptians. The accomplishments they did achieve can not be understated. With that said, the evidence that dynastic Egypt was a "legacy" culture gets stronger every day. In my opinion, the preservation and restorations that occurred during dynastic times are likely the only reason so much survives intact to this day.
@Jeremy-83 hi Jeremy the point I was trying to make is there is no pictorial or engravings by dynastic Egyptians to show how they were able to move and position these huge blocks into place when building the pyramids one would have with all their technical knowledge how they would have made sure people would have been made aware of this There is of course a modern day expression of this, the space race we are made very much aware of why where when how even the logistics behind them. these machines that took humans into space and the moon. Regards
@Jeremy-83 But they do say they buit them. They proudly declare who for, and when they were built. Why would they lie? There was no necessity for clickbait in pre-youtube egypt.
@@robhughes2832 hi Rob it is modern Egyptians making that particular claim and it is all based on some tattoos inscribed inside the great pirymid. So if I were to move into a structure or inherit it then engrave in the attic this structure was built by r bailey In 1927ad and two mellenia later some archeological team discover the building and the inscription of course they will assume I built it but the problem is I did not and there is the Paradox people and civilizations rework structures jewelry anything all the time throughout history-pre To meet their cultural and societal needs.
@robhughes2832 Unfortunately, you are incorrect here. There are no official documents nor any inscription describing the Pyramids' construction nor a declaration of who they were for. The modern-day inhabitants of the state of Egypt today were invaders that took over the region centuries ago that now claim credit and heritage that they have no true connection to.
Question: Can the construction age of a wall without mortar joints be determined by luminescence dating of the contact surfaces of the stones? If the stones were exposed to sunlight after being quarried, would a core sample taken from the adjacent surfaces show the time of last exposure and thus the construction age? ChatGPT Answer: Yes, this is possible. If the stones were sufficiently exposed to sunlight, the luminescence of the contact surfaces could reflect the time of the last exposure before the stones were set. Since the wall is built without mortar joints and is light-tight, the dating would directly indicate the construction age. An increased number of samples can help account for fluctuations and provide a reliable classification, even without high precision for each individual measurement. Has this technique been used in archaeology? The approach of directly examining the contact surfaces of stones in a mortarless wall through luminescence dating is not yet widely established in archaeology. Typically, luminescence dating is applied to mortar to determine the age of the last exposure before setting. Directly dating the contact surfaces of stones would be new and would require advanced sampling and analysis, as only the most recent zeroing event would need to be accurately dated. However, the approach shows potential, especially for structures without mortar. Research in this area could help develop methods to apply this technique to historical structures lacking mortar joints. If the stones have not moved over time due to their heavy weight and stable placement within the wall, it is likely that luminescence measurements of the contact surfaces would provide a reliable indication of the construction age. In this case, potential errors due to movement or external influences would be minimal, and the dating would focus on the time of last exposure before the stones were set.
6:40 So, What do you propose were the ways these items/locations were made? Instead of just saying, it's lost ancient high technology, perhaps explain what you believe were the accurate tooling and processors.
He never gives answers. He's only interested in selling mysteries. That's his business model. The rare time he does give an answer, usually when pushed, he comes out with dumb shit like anti-gravity or "plasmoid technology".
He is saying nobody knows how they did it and that we need to do more research to find out! Watch some more of his videos before you make comments like that.
@@malangope they are constantly insinuating that there was a higher technology then we even have. Pyramids as energy machines, scooping out granite. They ignore every evidence that crushes their "theories". They keep mocking archeology, but they never have discovered or uncovered anything but cherry pick or misrepresent it. And they like to charge you like 6000 dollars to join them on a trip to tell you that they dont have a fing clue? Hancock crying about silencing him while he's been on ms tv for more then thirty years. It's stoner talk and sciece fiction which is cool but they are misleading and present it as something serious, which makes it a shameless exploitation of the guilable. A mystery to be never solved but to be sold.
But one is cut into bedrock with rounded shapes and the other is quarried flat-sided blocks which have been positioned and fitted. Different style, finish and weathering. One built over and around the other. Different time periods, for sure.
Who is Sabu? Why did he only own one "disc"? I think his disc would make a good drillhead if it were bronze, with a vacuum hole in the middle for dust to escape.
The walls at 1:31, the second layer is the perfectly rectangular blocks all the same size. Looks like modern day perfect cut rock. Ths first layer is not all living rock cut. Some are but they have cut rocks and stacked them. They are all perfectly fit together but all different shapes. Second layer is as I described, third is relatively messy Inca work.
3:56 is missing the layer of perfectly rectangular blocks all the same size. Goes from what I thought was polygonal straight to Inca. 1 straight to 3 skipping 2.
Monolith Living Rock builder's,---------to the Polygonal, Cyclopial, Megolithic,---- to the Inca. Brillint observation, & this is observed worldwide (with a precise line of evolution of these & other different cultures) that rebooted these Megablocks.
On drill core #7. Your answers maybe right there. 3D scan the core then play it like the 1st phonograph. Quartz can hold vibration frequencies. Maybe it will tell you it's secerts.
😊 Concussions? You could never chisle granite to fit perfectly on 5, or more, sides, even with tungsten carbide tools. So, it was done another way, obv 🙄
aliens very high technologies using desintegrator cutting machine , material is cut by removing valence electrons responsible for atoms accretion , result is mono atomic sand
i'd like to see an expert stone cutter start from scratch and try to make one of those bowls using primitive tools. i'll bet they would give up very quickly.
The concept brought forward at one of Danny Jones episodes that proposes the early ( pre dynastic ) pyramids were designed and utilized as chemical plants to produce fertilizer and other chemical products. Judging by the forensics, there is evidence pointing in that direction. The fact that the rooms, shafts, a source of water and even external infrastructure is of such a striking similarity with the present design of such plants. Take into account that samples taken from the walls of rooms and shafts have been tested and checked by independent researchers in labs hold traces of chemical residu that lead in this direction. Such elements could not have formed naturally and leads me to believe that the theory could proof viable. taken into account that the demography, climate and assumed movement of the populous when these plants would have been active is such that it is reasonable to say that what where we see as desert today was a fertile landscape in that period as Dr Schoch has stated. There is detectable water under the better part of the Gizeh plateau if not the whole and is accessible. The sahara desert today is covered with a massive layer of sand and thorough research until now has not been possible until GPR systems that probe deep enough, utilized by drone or plane can tell what is really there. The Egyptian govt wich has been rather reluctant to grant acces is another hurdle that might take years to overcome. Well find out though one day. For additional research on the matter trough Remote Viewing (RV) I can recommend Farsight Institute with Dr Courtney Brown.
@@Leeside999 durr..you must know everything....thousands...even millions of years of history on this planet. Just popped out onto this rock but already fully in the know! Incredible.
Its interesting the reverence the different eras of builders had for their megaliths in the new world whereas the Dynastic Egyptians made inferior stonework to the older stonework and scratched graffitos into older structures primitively to try to claim them as their own, and also scratched out depictions of rulers, etc. Is there any example of this behavior in the new world? The respect the following civilizations in the new world had for the mysterious Olmecs has always struck me.
Here's an obvious example of temple modification by later (more advanced?) generations. English Saxon and medieval Christian churches heavily "restored" (sometimes completely remodelled) by Victorians. And worse still, very ugly and ill-matched 1960s-1980s meeting hall extensions added on to old churches. There was also the removal of colour and ornamentation in churches during the Reformation, with statues removed and colourful wall paintings whitewashed over. The vast majority of old churches local to me have suffered these three particular forms of vandalism through their history. I can't think of any example of church modification where respect for original architects and builders, or any sympathy to their styles and techniques, has been applied. It seems to be more of a case of later generations and regimes stamping an idelible mark on these important buildings.
Have they sifted through those sands to look for tiny diamond rocks? Maybe they didn't revere diamonds like we do today. I bet there's tons of diamond rocks all over the place at those sites in Egypt. If they figured out a way to embed them in copper It's very possible they developed a fast spinning tool that cuts through hard stone.
@ozonespec true, but corundum is the next best thing and we know they used it as scientific analysis of a drill hole found traces of it. We have also reproduced the cutting using copper and corundum and produced the same striation patterns that you find from ancient stone cuts.
@@tlatoanimachiIt seems like, there's an awful lot of 'red lands of the west' between Egypt and the Atlantic before you get to America so it's not that daft to suggest that that didn't mean America - though you may have other reasons for thinking it meant America.
@@wizwhat8186 yeah, about 8 years of research. I have a bunch of primary sources on my channel, all we do is read from first hand accounts. Not much conjecture.
Given the cataclysms, tsunami level floods, quakes, etc, the chances of finding ancient tools lying around is nil. If they exist at all they are lying under sediment 100+ feet deep
I have had the good fortune to visit most of the places you mentioned here, with a couple of notable exceptions. I wish I had done so with more of a critical or analytical eye at the time, but, alas I viewed them as a mere tourist. I would have been able to assess the debates about them directly. Excellent work in bringing such structural analysis to our attention. I think you and Brien Forrester are the leaders in (presumably) the non-academic study of the megalithic world.
Those “ thrones” look like they pieces of a structure completely different than what they are used for by Inca. Corner stones or who knows what. Pre flood civilization
this Radius, they are made so precise that can't be done by hand! the weight, everything about 100 tons is already hard to explain, the Romans had crane which could lift 60 tons, not more.
I ttok some pictures of the different layers of stones inmachu picchu back in 1988, because it was curious that that the better stonework was obviously at the bottom, but didn't think about it again until I did archaeology many years later. That there are world-wide advanced and very stoneworked blocks around the world is stunning and demonstrates our present claims of being a superior race is laughable, not laudable. We are humbled by our ancestors, or least, we should be, they deserve it.
Clearly there were two massive cataclysms. The survivors built on top. The Inca is what, a thousand years old, relatively modern, no? We have the story of the great flood. We all agree on that😂 What is the other cataclysm? The fall of the Tower of Babel? The great confusion, The great wandering. I’d sure love to understand how they all fit together. The engineering and scale seems to diminish. The first size makes me wonder if it isn’t so far fetched that men of grand stature came before us. How grand. Can we take the scale of the animals that crossed over the great catastrophe 12k years ago ish, and measure their basic differences. The ground sloth to the sloth. A sloth is from 50 to 80 cm tall. A ground sloth grew to 400 cm. If we take the scale of the largest sloth at 80 cm it is a 1/5 scale. Translated to mega man and modern man we would have a thirty foot tall man. Even if we only go 4 times it is 24 ft which is nuts. But wouldn’t it take a thirty foot man to build the first? Crazy shit.
"Forbidden Knowledge A Renaissance Global Map of 1459 "shows paintings of S. American animals way before Columbus, therefore the previous knowledge of contact has been hidden or forgotten.
The ancient predynastic people , had a mental power and an ability to project an anti-gravity FORCE from their brain or mind to move these 100 ton granite boxes in these confined under ground rooms . This is the only plausible explanation. Period . Pauline Ph.d. Europe .
All of these constructions are pre-Adamite. Only Adam 3443 BCE and onwards are the biblical population. All other anthropological human populations from 7 million years ago to 3443 are pre-Adamite.
See they not how many a generation We destroyed before them, whom We had established in the earth more firmly than We have established you, and We shed on them abundant showers from the sky, and made the rivers flow beneath them. Yet we destroyed them for their sins, and created after them another generation. Quran 6:6 And how many a generation before them did We destroy who were greater than them in [striking] power and had explored throughout the lands. Is there any place of escape? 50:36 They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter." 5:22 As for 'Aad, they were arrogant upon the earth without right and said, "Who is greater than us in strength?" Did they not consider that Allah who created them was greater than them in strength? But they were rejecting Our signs. 41:15 “(Hud said to ‘Ad,) ‘Do you build monuments on every high place for amusement, and take yourselves palaces as if you will live therein forever?” (Quran 26:128-129) Did you not see how your Lord dealt with ‘Ad - (the people of) Iram of the pillars - the like of whom had not been created in the land (before)? (Quran 89:6-9)
No those were not shaped by chisel but by trowels. Molten concrete? No need. Concrete began soft can be shaped by trowel. It is unnecessary to wait for it to be hardened just so we can use hammer and chisel.
The global flood left soft sediment which was employed to construct memorials to the events of the flood The enigmatic features found on Neolithic structure are actual features found on the ark of Noah . It seems that Noah commissioned his sons to build unalterable memorials to he deluge with such enormous size that they could not be destroyed. He knew that the events of the deluge would be rejected by the future mankind.
in ancient time settlers build cities in places where was old city, i am from croatia city vinkovci exist 8200 years, soo many nations live there and all new settlers rebuild city in same spot. its same for all cities like mursa today Osijek, Salona now Split, Siscia now Sisak, Pola now Pula. in ancient time was normal too build houses in good spot where you can take materials ( stone, wood ) from older or destroyed houses. Why is soo wierd for you?
I don't think it has been that long ago at all. We went from horse and buggy to computers in our pockets in a hundred years and we need to stop acting like we can date anything.
"We went from horse and buggy to computers in our pockets in a hundred years" That ignores centuries of scientific development that preceded thr 20th century. More than merely being a famous historical astronomer, Galileo Galilei was the founder of what we would call science. He died the better part of 4 centuries ago. Also people were still using the horse and cart alongside the development of the steam engine and rail transport that built upon it. Steam engines have their own long history of development, with the first known example dating back 2,000 years. The foundations of our mathematics are older still. So ye - the foundations of our wondrous age of science were laid long ago.
Well, I agree regarding our dating abilities. One just need to Take a Look into that climate discussion...tree rings, C14, ice cores, ... There is a Lot of reasonable critique in their accuracy and validity. But; using a car instead of an horse waggon only Looks to us as a flawless step forward. A horse you just let roam the closer vicinity - it feeds and drinks. No need for highly diversified oil drilling, refining, Transport to gas stations, providing electricity for the pumps... A horse heals it self to a certain degree - a car does nothing what so ever. You need spare parts and with modern cars you do not even fix the taillights yourself anymore. Horses are basically "amphibious" in a way. Try to cross two feet deep creek with no road bedding in IT with a regular car or truck. Try to cross a 30ft wide and 9ft deep creek with a real offroader... And - we would need to argue, if some technology really could be considered a Progress ("step into better Future") when the trade offs are harming our habitat (talking about everything except that CO2-bullshit.).
Scientists against myths on UA-cam has proved cutting, moving, tube drills, vases are all easily possible for ancient Egyptians. Believed all uncharted x stuff until I saw their vids
Except for the fact that such scientists poo Pooh’s such suggestions until they became undeniable, then simply came up with new theories as to how they were still correct. No, they don’t get to be wrong, dis everyone, then realign their theories to show they were never wrong in the first place. No.
It’s very obvious there is more to the story than we know. To dismiss that and just accept the narrative that we know how these things are made is very naive
IN regard to the stone vases and how they made them and the people demonstrating how they made them i have this problem with their theory on how they were made and the demonstartions of how they were made are fundamentally flawed because when them guys go oh they did them this way know using the grinding machince and my problem is this the person demonstrating it understands what a cnc milling machine is and my problem with that is how would an anceint eghptian concived of such a contraption if they didnt have any concept of what a cnc machine is so in de facto the person whose saying they did them this way has actually rigged up a hand driven wooden modern cnc machine but made it out of wood and is hand driven and thats my problem with their theory how would an anceint eghtpian conceive of such a machine if they didnt have any concept of that kind of machine and thats my issue with academic archelogys explaination of how they made the vases
Three styles of Architecture. Once you see it, you can't un-see it.
Great stuff and we hope all these data lead eventually. to conclusive knowledge and answers. Go Ben.
I think it’s astonishing that UA-camrs are researching this stuff more than actual archeologists. And finding more breakthroughs in the last couple years than established archeology has in decades. How in the world has nobody ever thought to run scans on those vases until now? It’s quite literally smoking gun proof of advanced tech. You are not making those vases with a stick and some grass and copper.
@@brosettastone7520 because You and most of the "UA-camrs" are not Masons.
Most of those mysteries are GEOPOLIMERS or imprints of previous disasters.
Saying that the megalithoare made of GEOPOLIMERS is not diminish the fact that they were not an advanced Civilization.. on the opposite!
GEOPOLIMERS confirm that we have advanced Civilization before ice age!
...this is the problem with the STATUS QUO.
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Yes, but you tubers ignore all the evidence, draw up their own conclusions without carrying out any research whatsoever, make up thier own theories which they then try and put forward and fact in order to make a quick buck to fund thier channel as folks are gullible. This channel has been shot down so many times, just factually incorrect.
Tubers are doing the research and finding the actual facts about all this stuff because none of them (us) has a degree, academic standing and a beloved theory or misexplaination to get in the way of truth.
nah you're jumping to conclusions out of the fear that they may be onto something. Lots of these guys state over and over and over again that they DO NOT have the answers. They ask way more questions than "the experts" who only have answers and rarely ask questions.
I’m specifically talking about Ben mostly. And the scanned vases. That is raw data. There is no guessing, it’s smoking gun proof of advanced lathing. No other way around it
Ben V. does some of the best work in this field. His reporting on the scans of these PRE DYNASTIC igneous stone vases can not be debated. I think we can conclude they are too precise, too hard, too thin in some cases to have been done by hand with the primitive tools the Egyptians had access to. Nobody has ever demonstrated that those results could be replicated without being turned on center. The burden of proof is on those that claim they are the result of primitive tools.
The burden of proof is on Ben et al. He generalizes, he speculates and he lies. Ask Ben about his the precision vases, Ben can you prove to me those vases are indeed from some time frame before pre-dynastic Egypt? Hes made 10+ videos about those vases and has NEVER proved their prominence. Ben prove the prominence of those vases. Also prove to me the older stuff is indeed the most precise? He wont reply because he cant, all he has is speculation. Lastly its shocking to me a man who seeks truth using science can be an antiVaxxer and a Covid denier.
Im not sure it's been proven that those vases are from pre dynasties times. Start there.
@@AtkinsAtelier your comment is going to age well. T minus 1 week. Vases from the petrie museum have been scanned. Impeccable provenance. Its going to drop on KarolyPoka channel. What then? are you going to face the precision reality of vases with provenance or still mutter in the comment section? Booster boy.
@@BurningDownUrHouse they found some vases in a primitive shallow grave site dating back to 9000 BC, i believe.
Ben has vases from private collectors who's providence is not established, the scan have thousands of data points deleted I don't trust anything he does
I can't wait to see the full interview! I post new videos every week of lesser-known Peruvian ancient megalithic sites for those interested in this chapter of our past!
So many people thinking there was no ancient civilisation (12,000+ years ago ) that got wiped and we (12,000+ years) found it, used it amazes me, you can see they are all related around the world .
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Indeed, and some archaeologists in the past were ridiculed and maligned, and even had their funding withdrawn and careers wrecked for daring to suggest what was eventually found to be true. If there's one thing we can be sure of with archaeology, is that it's built on dishonesty, and refusal to consider any theories that contradict the official story, until they are dug up and they've no choice but to acknowledge them. These people are not furthering our knowledge of history. They are holding us back.
@AndySmith4501 yes, sad when arrogance and self worth get in the way of the natural order. Their egos at being wrong when they were SO right. Maybe you guys didn't know it all, you didn't think we'd find out eventually, like Tartaria being on maps everywhere, the communists wipe history and write their own but you can't wipe everything. As these magnificent megalithic buildings show. I think may e they found another civilisation that has been wiped and built big to make sure we knew someone was here before. Or my favourite, giants . Different atmodpheres make bigger or smaller flora and fauna, if we had megafauna, why wouldn't we be part? If wombats were 10 to 20x bigger... a 50ft person is wild but not impossible. Massive footprints all over, some carved but most are real. You can see where the mud has compacted and lifted before setting. Hard
Yes. There’s an ancient city a few miles from lake Titicaca (can’t remember the exact distance) with a wharf. Geologists say the water would only have reached the wharf 15000 years ago, anthropologists say people didn’t arrive in South America until around 7000 years ago and didn’t build cities before 5000 years ago. Two sets of contradictory facts, both parties claim they are right.
@nigelliam153 I wonder how many civilisations have been wiped. I mean if like velikovsy says, at the pole flip the earth stops but everything on it keeps going. That would turn just about any civilisation (except underground maybe but they and everything in the underground would travel too.) It would be ground to mud. Only stuff like gornaya shoria and that massive thing they found underground near there would survive. Imagine everything (so much water) travelling at 1500kmh
@@AndySmith4501 I think you have a somewhat ill informed view of archaeology perhaps derived from conspiracy theorists you watch.
Archeologists use the principles of science that is they base there historical reasoning on facts and data and not wild theories or claims that have zero evidence to back up.
It’s ludicrous to think a archaeologist would hide the truth and refuse to believe something as amazing as an undiscovered civilisation - they likely got into the profession for that very reason to discover something thats never been discovered before .
But it would be completely irresponsible of them to spread theories of ancient civilisations without a shred of eveidence . These vases as amazing as they are provide no evidence - something you can’t explain proves nothing
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Great work mate.
Before school, love it ;)
Two of my favourite people on youtube dropping knowledge!
You're a hoot!!!😂😂
So many of those mysteries are in very active war zones (again). That any of it has survived thus far is amazing, but apparently we're still up to destroying them.
There is no mystery. Those that came before were not quite us, were smarter than us. They were destroyed, we are those that remain. And this history is being erased. We are not meant to know. There are things on this very chat making comments explicitly intended to disguise the evidence of ancient advanced societies.
A conspiracy theorist might say that they are war zones because there are mysteries to destroy.
Ben is a str8 dude fr, and it’s gonna take a lot like him to undo a lot of what Zahi Hawass has done to stall anything that doesn’t align with his narrative of how they did these things. Much respect and appreciation ❤
Sterling work as always Ben, and thanks to After School for this post.
9:33 EXCELLENT .. regardless of the opinions that are arrived at afterwards ACTUAL, physical, TESTING scanning, measuring, weighing, ALL FACT GATHERING ... like this picture displays, ar of PARAMOUNT importance to learn what we can from the artifacts!!!
Just seeing this picture makes me happy ....... if only we were allowed to make any and ALL (non-destructive of course) measurements of EVERYTHING !!!
For example we should have at hand surface scans of EVERY high precision artifacts from the smallest Vase's to the largest Statues!! and Pillars / Obelisks
You can get access to measure artifacts in most museums. This guy is blagging you when he talks about the precision of those vases, both because they have zero credible evidence of when they are from and because they are quite imprecise - you can even clearly see with the naked eye, how wonky the "lug handles" are.
At this point, Ben is definitely a charlatan by my reckoning. He has been given enough information and resources that answer his questions that he claims no one can or will answer, yet fails to refute any of them and blocks anyone who points him in a direction that doesn't fit his grift.
The protruding nubs on the stones found globally are a huge clue. They’re there by design.
My God the Agents are out in force today to cover up the past. Langoliers in action.
I really like Ben's work... UnchartedX catches my eye every time :)
Whats freaky is that everything is scattered about like its broken lego ,what force could spit,crumble,toss and possibly melt these blocks especially as these structures seem to resilient to earthquakes, tornados and rain
meteor strikes, floods, mudslides, tornados, lots of things.
I want to make a wild suggestion. According to ancient Greek descriptions as well as other ancient stories, there was a time before the moon. Without the moon the surface of the Earth would be very unstable due to the rotation of the planet. If the instability was so extreme that standard methods of construction were not viable then it makes sense that this society would attempt to develop a method that would last against the instability. Again, this is just a theory.
The moon has been orbiting earth since before humans made their appearance
@HikarusVibrator Has it it, tho? If that's the case, then why is the material on its surface older than what's underneath? 🤔
...A game theory! Haha, just a little inside joke
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A so-called time before the moon might simply refer to years upon years of overcast or dust laiden skies blocking out the moon at night after some large scale catastrophe such as a massive volcanic eruption or an extra terrestrial object striking earth and forcing up dust which may have created nuclear winter type scenario which lasted for years upon years. The point at which the story began would really have been during this time with the moon was not visible. Even the last 2000 years there are multiple multi year events such as this where the sun was not visible or summer did not come in Europe and that sort of thing. We are talking about simpler people in simpler times he did not analyze the way we do now.Occums razor type suggestions
The theory isn’t that construction techniques advance with time. It’s much more complex with highs and lows in technological advancements. The Bronze Age collapse is a prime example of a massive loss of technological advancement.
@@David-im3sb exactly 👍
This is very plausible, but sadly most won't agree with you here, it's could also true that they might have decided it was too time consuming to continue building like the earlier more precise work, or that they didn't/couldn't afford the resources or man power, and there is absolutely no proof they couldn't continue if they wanted to. It's very similar today, so many old technics and skills no longer used, or very seldom used anyway, making things completely by hand is far rarer now days, doesn't mean it can't be done. Sadly most want to believe these fantasies, and i say fantasies because they come with even less proof than the so called mainstream archeology. This guy deletes comments on his videos from people who have different views to his, but who also post confirmed proof that prove his theories are false, he's also been debunked so many times, an obvious one is he keeps saying you can't cut or make holes in granite with copper, he ignores a basic fact that by adding a mixture of quartz sand and water to the mix, its indeed very possible. If you have a look at any of his videos on his channel, look through the comments, not one single comment will oppose any of his fantasies,
The heaviest foundations survived the 1st global catastrophe. Survivors built on top. The next catastrophe was violent. Then survivors went underground. Epochs have gone by many times.
"The next catastrophe was violent"
As opposed to the first catastrophe which was a walk in the park ?
"Then survivors went underground"
Where they ate... what ? Why did they go underground after the catastrophe ?
"Epochs have gone by many times."
They probably have although this sentence looks nonsensical
@thomasxxxxxx2345 the Hopi Indians claim to have been brought underground by "ant people" during the last one, fact
Turkey has connecting underground cities capable of housing 80,000 people + all needs , each.@@thomasxxxxxx2345
@@thomasxxxxxx23451km tall flood, the sun swiping our planet without our atmosphere for a day, then the ice epoch that followed
@@babaislivestreaming5629 Well that is all very nice and creative but there is no evidence for that
Always enjoy you perspective.
Ben, do you think there is a time gap between Hanan Pacha and Uran pacha?? Perhaps two different versions of technologically advanced peoples in the area? Perhaps the hanan pacha is INSANELY old, and the Uran pacha is also 10,000 years + pre flood age. Crazy to think about a technologically advanced people, coming across even older technologies
I just realized this isn’t bens channel, my bad. But I hope you see my comment here ben!
Interested to hear that there was stoneware traffic going up the Nile in ancient times. I was under the impression that most large obelisks etc. were quarried in the South and then transported downstream to places like Giza. Today going up the Nile in a large powered vessel entails passing through several locks, but perhaps the topography was different in the era of the mystical ancient civilisations of Ben et al.
You are missing the critical aspect of the Nile river prior to the building of the Aswan dam in the 1960s.
Namely the annual flooding event, known as the akhet (rise/horizon) in ancient Egyptian.
It was so regular and dependable that Egypt was regarded as the bread basket of the ancient world for the sheer insane amount of grain they produced from the flood waters continually renewing their fields with minerals washed down stream from the mountains to the south.
The floods lasted 4 months out of every year.
During these times it would have been far more feasible to transport heavy loads up and down the river, and a now extinct branch of the Nile passed nearby basically every significant pyramid in the country, which tidily explains how they shipped so much fine white Tura limestone to every pyramid for structural and cover blocks.
@@mnomadvfx we should find large stones under the water or the areas that Nile flooded if they were transported that way just because of the procent of fail in every aspect.
The Sarapeum at Saqqura was for "Apis Bulls" F O H.. Those boxes were the cases for the "Weapons of Terror" the Annunaki spoke of that were specifically hid away in an underground complex , and were designed to to survive any of Earth's cataclysmic cycles, we also know why they were all found empty as the Annunaki used these weapons that were similar to our hydrogen bombs, however they did not anticipate with the chemical composition of our atmosphere at the time the "Evil Wind" recorded in the cuneiform that made greater Egypt desolate. The systems the hybrid humans suffered were clearly some type of radiation sickness along with the desolation of any agricultural and plant life in general. The Great Pyramid was muti purpose. It made a type of heavy water and provided energy along with a use for mining that I wont bore you with the details, basically they wanted to extract gold from seawater but they never could get the return rate initially figured so they repurposed it for other uses. (Any other theories I'd love to hear what y'all have come across in your research. ) MH370 where did it go.. Boeing 777 through a wormhole. - Surry Virginia.
How did we go from horse and buggy to space ship. That's a good question. Our progress has really took off in a short time. It makes me think we ended up with advanced technology. So same thing could have happened then. Who knows
Same with the boxes in Egypt. Structures were built around them or caves dug to find them, I believe the were thought to be resurrection crèches, not sarcophagi
The boxes at Saquara are quite recent. It's the Romans who stopped their production.
Can you expand on the 'drill holes cant be done' theory? I found it a little vague in its current form. I dont clearly see the perfect spiral pattern i would expect from a modern drilling machine. Yes, there are concentric lines on that picture, but they do not seem that regular at all.
Plenty of videos of deep dives on it. They wrap a string around, count the rotation ps vs the depth and we don’t have a bit that can handle that today. Tremendous pressure on the bit to achieve what they did.
Please take a DEEP dive into Edgar Cayce and you’ll find links and a timeline that explains so much. His Ra Ta incarnation is mind boggling.
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Yes, theoretically, a stonemason could use hydrofluoric acid to shape a giant stone, even without metal tools. Here’s how it could work:
Applying the Acid: The stonemason pours hydrofluoric acid onto the stone’s surface. The acid would start to dissolve the stone, making it softer and easier to work with.
Shaping the Stone: Once the stone is softened, the stonemason could use tools made from bone, stone, or other materials to shape the stone. These tools could help carve and smooth the stone to fit the desired shape.
Repeating the Process: This process could be repeated multiple times to achieve the precise shape needed to fit with other stones.
This method could be particularly effective for large stones, like a 20-ton boulder, as it doesn’t require heavy metal tools. However, it’s important to note that hydrofluoric acid is extremely dangerous and requires careful handling and appropriate safety measures.
combining sulfuric acid with fluoride creates hydrofluoric acid.
both were known on pretty ancient civilizations.
There is NO EVIDENCE that people in the ice age did not have it, and no evidence they did.
Could make sense, but it would have to be something easy to store and handle I guess?
I saw a UA-cam video claims that the Egyptians used salt to soften the granite.
@@David66Peterson Yes, you have 2 mixtures, fluoride and mild sulphyric acid, that can be moved in leather pouch.
and then just combine them and damn, it's xenomorph level acid.
@@David66Peterson midway of
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and where can you find the hydrofluoric acid ???
Horizontal lathe with a vertical drill could carve those vases.
Have you ever considered selling some stuff at the pawn store ? How do you get so much time off from the store ?
Still wonder what the purpose of these vases were for. Mysterious
All these ruins are old ancient dams, and the terraces weren't for farming, but separating minerals in search of gold, silver, and lots of other minerals mined out of the ground.
Is that a flashlight shining through the ultra thin wall of a case????? Is that porphyry????? Holy hell that’s unbelievable.
no , this granite with very thin walls so light goes through quartz crystals
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I keep saying, when all you have is wood, water, stone and the sky, and pretty much no other distractions, you are going to get *really* good at using what you have, as humanity marched every onwards, learning new skills, sadly, we left the old skills behind. Per capita today compared with "then" stone crafters and wood crafters would feature in far greater ratios, and no doubt you will get the "Da Vinci's" the "Michael Angelo's" of their preferred medium. Why would you spend the months making a wafer thin vase from granite, when you can churn out dozens a week in pottery? Here comes humanity learning "throw away society" at such a young age. Great for historians l guess :D
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At 10:31 I noticed how you are setting up the Dial Indicator is absolutely incorrect. The stem on the indicator should never be perpendicular to the Axis of the pivot joint when the indicator is 90 degrees off the direction of rotation of the vase. This creates chatter and can reset your zero and give a false reading and damage the indicator requiring recalibration. Unless slightly oiled with a light mineral oil to lubricate the dial as it contacts abrasive stone. Dials were made for metal not stone. Accuracy to the hundreds of an inch isn’t that precise as compared to today’s requirements should be in the 10,000th of an inch. Still these rock vases are astonishing considering they haven’t found or told us about a lathe with carbide or better; diamond cutting tools. So how did they do it? They had steel lathes and mills with corundum or diamond cutting tools. There’s just no other answer. It weren’t magic. Anything made of metal back in the days when most everything was an abandoned if found by locals or transients, any metal would be busted up and melted down to make weapons. Blades were the money of the day back when. That’s why I think nothing will be found or it has and is being hidden.
@@paulglawson2866 why do you think that are not other answers rather than diamond cut or alien laser cut???
@@K22channel Who said anything about aliens. I never said aliens.
Really weird that you threw aliens in there. He's proposing reasonable answers, not fantastical bullshit.
Correct, about the measuring setup.
ONE Vase, wrongly measured, does not give grounds to derive a conclusion about a TECHNOLOGY.
Technology (by definition) produces MANY products. A machine set up once for manufacturing of THAT vase can make MANY same (quality) products, for sale, for the maker to MAKE money.
Aha, the Ancients did not care about money, they did not know money, or what? LOL
The PROVENANCE of the object of analysis MUST be absolutely assured. Was it, in this (vase's) case?
Please visit some Egyptian contemporary souvenir shops for more such vessels...
Will Baalbek survive the current conflict? Could you comment?
It seems like, these claims that Egyptian stonework gets more impressive further back in time are a bit exasperating - he says it does, and some mainstream archaeologists say it doesn't, and you don't know what to make of it, and he often has to resort to re-dating some objects and saying that they're older than other archaeologists say they are to make his claim fit, such as the Saqqara boxes which are normally considered to be New Kingdom or Ptolemaic (that's what inscriptions and records say) and thus would contradict his claim, which in the absence of him giving any other explanation looks like a mark against his claim as it looks like circular reasoning.
Interesting the dynastic pictorials of ancient Egyptian construction techniques the only problem with them is, one would have thought if they did build the great pirymid of Giza there should be at least some depiction of this was done as far as I am aware there are none.😮
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@richardbailey3343 The depiction of the statue being moved with sleds only puts an exclamation point on the fact that dynastic egypt was capable of moving large stones to new locations. Moving or reworking a statue is much different than actually making some of these megalithic sites and it doesn't suprise me at all that the dynastic Egyptians would of been proud of their ability to move these huge stones and wrote it down but yet they made no mention of building the pyramids nor most of the other sites. This is also why we are encouraged not to underestimate the dynastic Egyptians. The accomplishments they did achieve can not be understated. With that said, the evidence that dynastic Egypt was a "legacy" culture gets stronger every day. In my opinion, the preservation and restorations that occurred during dynastic times are likely the only reason so much survives intact to this day.
@Jeremy-83 hi Jeremy the point I was trying to make is there is no pictorial or engravings by dynastic Egyptians to show how they were able to move and position these huge blocks into place when building the pyramids one would have with all their technical knowledge how they would have made sure people would have been made aware of this
There is of course a modern day expression of this, the space race we are made very much aware of why where when how even the logistics behind them. these machines that took humans into space and the moon.
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@Jeremy-83 But they do say they buit them. They proudly declare who for, and when they were built. Why would they lie? There was no necessity for clickbait in pre-youtube egypt.
@@robhughes2832 hi Rob it is modern Egyptians making that particular claim and it is all based on some tattoos inscribed inside the great pirymid.
So if I were to move into a structure or inherit it then engrave in the attic this structure was built by r bailey In 1927ad and two mellenia later some archeological team discover the building and the inscription of course they will assume I built it but the problem is I did not and there is the
Paradox people and civilizations rework structures jewelry anything all the time throughout history-pre
To meet their cultural and societal needs.
@robhughes2832 Unfortunately, you are incorrect here. There are no official documents nor any inscription describing the Pyramids' construction nor a declaration of who they were for. The modern-day inhabitants of the state of Egypt today were invaders that took over the region centuries ago that now claim credit and heritage that they have no true connection to.
Question:
Can the construction age of a wall without mortar joints be determined by luminescence dating of the contact surfaces of the stones? If the stones were exposed to sunlight after being quarried, would a core sample taken from the adjacent surfaces show the time of last exposure and thus the construction age?
ChatGPT Answer:
Yes, this is possible. If the stones were sufficiently exposed to sunlight, the luminescence of the contact surfaces could reflect the time of the last exposure before the stones were set. Since the wall is built without mortar joints and is light-tight, the dating would directly indicate the construction age. An increased number of samples can help account for fluctuations and provide a reliable classification, even without high precision for each individual measurement.
Has this technique been used in archaeology?
The approach of directly examining the contact surfaces of stones in a mortarless wall through luminescence dating is not yet widely established in archaeology. Typically, luminescence dating is applied to mortar to determine the age of the last exposure before setting. Directly dating the contact surfaces of stones would be new and would require advanced sampling and analysis, as only the most recent zeroing event would need to be accurately dated.
However, the approach shows potential, especially for structures without mortar. Research in this area could help develop methods to apply this technique to historical structures lacking mortar joints.
If the stones have not moved over time due to their heavy weight and stable placement within the wall, it is likely that luminescence measurements of the contact surfaces would provide a reliable indication of the construction age. In this case, potential errors due to movement or external influences would be minimal, and the dating would focus on the time of last exposure before the stones were set.
6:40 So, What do you propose were the ways these items/locations were made? Instead of just saying, it's lost ancient high technology, perhaps explain what you believe were the accurate tooling and processors.
He never gives answers. He's only interested in selling mysteries. That's his business model.
The rare time he does give an answer, usually when pushed, he comes out with dumb shit like anti-gravity or "plasmoid technology".
@@Leeside999 I'll go with Louis ck How did the ancients do it? With an astonishing amount of human sufuring and death!
He is saying nobody knows how they did it and that we need to do more research to find out! Watch some more of his videos before you make comments like that.
@@malangope they are constantly insinuating that there was a higher technology then we even have. Pyramids as energy machines, scooping out granite. They ignore every evidence that crushes their "theories".
They keep mocking archeology, but they never have discovered or uncovered anything but cherry pick or misrepresent it. And they like to charge you like 6000 dollars to join them on a trip to tell you that they dont have a fing clue?
Hancock crying about silencing him while he's been on ms tv for more then thirty years. It's stoner talk and sciece fiction which is cool but they are misleading and present it as something serious, which makes it a shameless exploitation of the guilable. A mystery to be never solved but to be sold.
@@Leeside999 exactly 👍 I don't think that they are so dumb not to consider GEOPOLIMERS... It's obvious..it ruins theirs selling mystery
I would say Hanan Pacha and Uran Pacha are form roughly the same time, same stone softening techniques
But one is cut into bedrock with rounded shapes and the other is quarried flat-sided blocks which have been positioned and fitted. Different style, finish and weathering. One built over and around the other. Different time periods, for sure.
Who is Sabu? Why did he only own one "disc"? I think his disc would make a good drillhead if it were bronze, with a vacuum hole in the middle for dust to escape.
The walls at 1:31, the second layer is the perfectly rectangular blocks all the same size. Looks like modern day perfect cut rock. Ths first layer is not all living rock cut. Some are but they have cut rocks and stacked them. They are all perfectly fit together but all different shapes. Second layer is as I described, third is relatively messy Inca work.
3:56 is missing the layer of perfectly rectangular blocks all the same size. Goes from what I thought was polygonal straight to Inca. 1 straight to 3 skipping 2.
I ran across natron theory the other day. Of course precision objects, would still be an extreme challenge.
Monolith Living Rock builder's,---------to the Polygonal, Cyclopial, Megolithic,---- to the Inca. Brillint observation, & this is observed worldwide (with a precise line of evolution of these & other different cultures) that rebooted these Megablocks.
On drill core #7. Your answers maybe right there. 3D scan the core then play it like the 1st phonograph. Quartz can hold vibration frequencies. Maybe it will tell you it's secerts.
No earthly way of creating anything like this is possible. That being said. 😮
Taijin crane can lift 20000 ton. Bigger blocks lower makes sense as they harder to lift up. Osirion could have been built downward.
lental is a bean lintel is an architectural element
Lentil...is the bean. No 'a'.
😊 Concussions? You could never chisle granite to fit perfectly on 5, or more, sides, even with tungsten carbide tools. So, it was done another way, obv 🙄
aliens very high technologies using desintegrator cutting machine , material is cut by removing valence electrons responsible for atoms accretion , result is mono atomic sand
on the simplest level..it seems like they had the formula to mold sand that turned into rock..like cement...
i'd like to see an expert stone cutter start from scratch and try to make one of those bowls using primitive tools.
i'll bet they would give up very quickly.
Dozens of 1000 ton stones?! I thought was only a few bit less than that at Baalbek.
The concept brought forward at one of Danny Jones episodes that proposes the early ( pre dynastic ) pyramids were designed and utilized as chemical plants to produce fertilizer and other chemical products. Judging by the forensics, there is evidence pointing in that direction. The fact that the rooms, shafts, a source of water and even external infrastructure is of such a striking similarity with the present design of such plants.
Take into account that samples taken from the walls of rooms and shafts have been tested and checked by independent researchers in labs hold traces of chemical residu that lead in this direction.
Such elements could not have formed naturally and leads me to believe that the theory could proof viable.
taken into account that the demography, climate and assumed movement of the populous when these plants would have been active is such that it is reasonable to say that what where we see as desert today was a fertile landscape in that period as Dr Schoch has stated.
There is detectable water under the better part of the Gizeh plateau if not the whole and is accessible.
The sahara desert today is covered with a massive layer of sand and thorough research until now has not been possible until GPR systems that probe deep enough, utilized by drone or plane can tell what is really there.
The Egyptian govt wich has been rather reluctant to grant acces is another hurdle that might take years to overcome.
Well find out though one day.
For additional research on the matter trough Remote Viewing (RV) I can recommend Farsight Institute with Dr Courtney Brown.
There are no pre-dynastic pyramids.
@@Leeside999 durr..you must know everything....thousands...even millions of years of history on this planet. Just popped out onto this rock but already fully in the know! Incredible.
@@Kitties-of-Doom Sorry, I'm not sure what your are rambling on about. Are you saying there are pre-dynastic pyramids? Where are they? Link?
They some how melted the rock and molded it in to shape. They had the whole system down. The timing the transfer and Martha Stewart lol
Its interesting the reverence the different eras of builders had for their megaliths in the new world whereas the Dynastic Egyptians made inferior stonework to the older stonework and scratched graffitos into older structures primitively to try to claim them as their own, and also scratched out depictions of rulers, etc. Is there any example of this behavior in the new world? The respect the following civilizations in the new world had for the mysterious Olmecs has always struck me.
Here's an obvious example of temple modification by later (more advanced?) generations. English Saxon and medieval Christian churches heavily "restored" (sometimes completely remodelled) by Victorians. And worse still, very ugly and ill-matched 1960s-1980s meeting hall extensions added on to old churches. There was also the removal of colour and ornamentation in churches during the Reformation, with statues removed and colourful wall paintings whitewashed over. The vast majority of old churches local to me have suffered these three particular forms of vandalism through their history. I can't think of any example of church modification where respect for original architects and builders, or any sympathy to their styles and techniques, has been applied. It seems to be more of a case of later generations and regimes stamping an idelible mark on these important buildings.
@davidpalk5010 I didnt know about the Churches, fascinating thanks for sharing
They knew about how to build cable end houses. When or how long have 🤔 cable end roofs been in existence 🤔
Thanks for sharing!
Have they sifted through those sands to look for tiny diamond rocks? Maybe they didn't revere diamonds like we do today. I bet there's tons of diamond rocks all over the place at those sites in Egypt. If they figured out a way to embed them in copper It's very possible they developed a fast spinning tool that cuts through hard stone.
Quartz sand and corundum does the trick as a loose abrasive with the copper.
@Leeside999 True but it wouldn't be as efficient as diamonds.
@ozonespec true, but corundum is the next best thing and we know they used it as scientific analysis of a drill hole found traces of it. We have also reproduced the cutting using copper and corundum and produced the same striation patterns that you find from ancient stone cuts.
Vases looks like their design model was made by autocad :D
I’m begginingl to theorize the high altitude megalithic structures were built by survivors of the Younger Dryas floods
Hanan Pacha looks like the under sea structures off of Japan.
Wow. Chumley is doing better than Rick and Corey getting his own show!
Clearly that’s what they’ve cut the blocks out of. Biggest mystery on earth is… how?
Ancient megalithic stonework everyone juat calls Inca; we still know nothing about. Thanks, UNESCO, Smithsonian, etc.. Great work!..
Very well said.
Modern buildings used to be made of solid stone. Now styrafoam . 😢
Water Levy's?
Where is thousand ton blocks moved thousand km?
It's not strange anomalies it's ben has no clue what he's looking at lol
It’s started in America. All with the mound builders when America was known as hue hue Tlapalan.
America is the OG old world.
What? Are you suggesting that the Egyptians came from Texas? That seems to be taking American exceptionalism to new heights.
@ who mentioned Texas? And yes the Egyptians themselves said they came from the red lands of the west, hence Hue Hue Tlapalan. 🤦🏽♂️
@@tlatoanimachiIt seems like, there's an awful lot of 'red lands of the west' between Egypt and the Atlantic before you get to America so it's not that daft to suggest that that didn't mean America - though you may have other reasons for thinking it meant America.
@@wizwhat8186 yeah, about 8 years of research. I have a bunch of primary sources on my channel, all we do is read from first hand accounts. Not much conjecture.
Given the cataclysms, tsunami level floods, quakes, etc, the chances of finding ancient tools lying around is nil. If they exist at all they are lying under sediment 100+ feet deep
But the Product of Ancients survived. It was “lying around”, unburied itself from beneath 100+ feet. LOL
I have had the good fortune to visit most of the places you mentioned here, with a couple of notable exceptions. I wish I had done so with more of a critical or analytical eye at the time, but, alas I viewed them as a mere tourist. I would have been able to assess the debates about them directly.
Excellent work in bringing such structural analysis to our attention. I think you and Brien Forrester are the leaders in (presumably) the non-academic study of the megalithic world.
WISE UP CHANNEL and recently also Paul Cook channel
I thought you were going to collab with roger spurr of mudfossil... thatd be freakin hilarious...
Those “ thrones” look like they pieces of a structure completely different than what they are used for by Inca. Corner stones or who knows what. Pre flood civilization
this Radius, they are made so precise that can't be done by hand! the weight, everything about 100 tons is already hard to explain, the Romans had crane which could lift 60 tons, not more.
I ttok some pictures of the different layers of stones inmachu picchu back in 1988, because it was curious that that the better stonework was obviously at the bottom, but didn't think about it again until I did archaeology many years later. That there are world-wide advanced and very stoneworked blocks around the world is stunning and demonstrates our present claims of being a superior race is laughable, not laudable. We are humbled by our ancestors, or least, we should be, they deserve it.
Clearly there were two massive cataclysms. The survivors built on top. The Inca is what, a thousand years old, relatively modern, no? We have the story of the great flood. We all agree on that😂
What is the other cataclysm? The fall of the Tower of Babel? The great confusion, The great wandering.
I’d sure love to understand how they all fit together. The engineering and scale seems to diminish. The first size makes me wonder if it isn’t so far fetched that men of grand stature came before us. How grand. Can we take the scale of the animals that crossed over the great catastrophe 12k years ago ish, and measure their basic differences. The ground sloth to the sloth. A sloth is from 50 to 80 cm tall. A ground sloth grew to 400 cm. If we take the scale of the largest sloth at 80 cm it is a 1/5 scale.
Translated to mega man and modern man we would have a thirty foot tall man. Even if we only go 4 times it is 24 ft which is nuts. But wouldn’t it take a thirty foot man to build the first?
Crazy shit.
"Forbidden Knowledge A Renaissance Global Map of 1459 "shows paintings of S. American animals way before Columbus, therefore the previous knowledge of contact has been hidden or forgotten.
Inkers?
The ancient predynastic people , had a mental power
and an ability to project an anti-gravity FORCE from their brain or mind to move these 100 ton granite boxes
in these confined under ground rooms . This is the only plausible explanation.
Period .
Pauline Ph.d. Europe .
All of these constructions are pre-Adamite. Only Adam 3443 BCE and onwards are the biblical population. All other anthropological human populations from 7 million years ago to 3443 are pre-Adamite.
Hatshepsut was biblical Aarons' sister. Why doesn't anyone talk about this?
It was all probably a sim construction
Thunderstone was 1700ad ish over 400 ton. Moved hundreds of km without modern tech. They did have better metal to make balls to roll it on.
There are 80,000 dolmens worldwide which are memorials to the ark of Noah
See they not how many a generation We destroyed before them, whom We had established in the earth more firmly than We have established you, and We shed on them abundant showers from the sky, and made the rivers flow beneath them. Yet we destroyed them for their sins, and created after them another generation. Quran 6:6
And how many a generation before them did We destroy who were greater than them in [striking] power and had explored throughout the lands. Is there any place of escape? 50:36
They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter." 5:22
As for 'Aad, they were arrogant upon the earth without right and said, "Who is greater than us in strength?" Did they not consider that Allah who created them was greater than them in strength? But they were rejecting Our signs. 41:15
“(Hud said to ‘Ad,) ‘Do you build monuments on every high place for amusement, and take yourselves palaces as if you will live therein forever?” (Quran 26:128-129)
Did you not see how your Lord dealt with ‘Ad - (the people of) Iram of the pillars - the like of whom had not been created in the land (before)? (Quran 89:6-9)
No those were not shaped by chisel but by trowels. Molten concrete? No need. Concrete began soft can be shaped by trowel. It is unnecessary to wait for it to be hardened just so we can use hammer and chisel.
The global flood left soft sediment which was employed to construct memorials to the events of the flood The enigmatic features found on Neolithic structure are actual features found on the ark of Noah . It seems that Noah commissioned his sons to build unalterable memorials to he deluge with such enormous size that they could not be destroyed. He knew that the events of the deluge would be rejected by the future mankind.
in ancient time settlers build cities in places where was old city, i am from croatia city vinkovci exist 8200 years, soo many nations live there and all new settlers rebuild city in same spot. its same for all cities like mursa today Osijek, Salona now Split, Siscia now Sisak, Pola now Pula. in ancient time was normal too build houses in good spot where you can take materials ( stone, wood ) from older or destroyed houses. Why is soo wierd for you?
I don't think it has been that long ago at all. We went from horse and buggy to computers in our pockets in a hundred years and we need to stop acting like we can date anything.
Just because you don’t understand the science doesn’t mean we can’t date things.
"We went from horse and buggy to computers in our pockets in a hundred years"
That ignores centuries of scientific development that preceded thr 20th century.
More than merely being a famous historical astronomer, Galileo Galilei was the founder of what we would call science.
He died the better part of 4 centuries ago.
Also people were still using the horse and cart alongside the development of the steam engine and rail transport that built upon it.
Steam engines have their own long history of development, with the first known example dating back 2,000 years.
The foundations of our mathematics are older still.
So ye - the foundations of our wondrous age of science were laid long ago.
@@mnomadvfxif you think man’s existence was a pre learning exercise for the last 100 yrs you really are dumb 🤦🏻♂️
@@David-im3sbclearly you don’t understand the science with your reply 🤦🏻♂️
Well, I agree regarding our dating abilities. One just need to Take a Look into that climate discussion...tree rings, C14, ice cores, ... There is a Lot of reasonable critique in their accuracy and validity.
But; using a car instead of an horse waggon only Looks to us as a flawless step forward.
A horse you just let roam the closer vicinity - it feeds and drinks. No need for highly diversified oil drilling, refining, Transport to gas stations, providing electricity for the pumps...
A horse heals it self to a certain degree - a car does nothing what so ever. You need spare parts and with modern cars you do not even fix the taillights yourself anymore.
Horses are basically "amphibious" in a way. Try to cross two feet deep creek with no road bedding in IT with a regular car or truck.
Try to cross a 30ft wide and 9ft deep creek with a real offroader...
And - we would need to argue, if some technology really could be considered a Progress ("step into better Future") when the trade offs are harming our habitat (talking about everything except that CO2-bullshit.).
The sphinx is actually a giant "transformer" that built the pyramids . 🤫🤫🤫🤫
Bro u look like chum Lee from pawn stars
Mister Bean?
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Scientists against myths on UA-cam has proved cutting, moving, tube drills, vases are all easily possible for ancient Egyptians. Believed all uncharted x stuff until I saw their vids
Names?
@lbanepa SGD sacred Geometry decoded.
And
Scientists against myths. Watch their vids
Except for the fact that such scientists poo Pooh’s such suggestions until they became undeniable, then simply came up with new theories as to how they were still correct. No, they don’t get to be wrong, dis everyone, then realign their theories to show they were never wrong in the first place. No.
It’s very obvious there is more to the story than we know. To dismiss that and just accept the narrative that we know how these things are made is very naive
IN regard to the stone vases and how they made them and the people demonstrating how they made them i have this problem with their theory on how they were made and the demonstartions of how they were made are fundamentally flawed because when them guys go oh they did them this way know using the grinding machince and my problem is this the person demonstrating it understands what a cnc milling machine is and my problem with that is how would an anceint eghptian concived of such a contraption if they didnt have any concept of what a cnc machine is so in de facto the person whose saying they did them this way has actually rigged up a hand driven wooden modern cnc machine but made it out of wood and is hand driven and thats my problem with their theory how would an anceint eghtpian conceive of such a machine if they didnt have any concept of that kind of machine and thats my issue with academic archelogys explaination of how they made the vases