sneeg’s commentary is good because he’s either a serious guy who actually knows enough shit to have a well formed opinion, or he’s pointing and laughing at an actual dunce of a criminal it’s delightful
What always gets me is how loved Shannan and the girls were by the people around them. The friend did everything she possibly could to find them so quickly and the neighbour immediately spoke up with worries about about Chris’s behaviour. People around them loved them and wanted to do everything they could for them. It just stands as a really stark contrast to the coldness and emptiness within Chris that he never had the same care for his family.
watching the neighbor talk to the police officer in the beginning completely destroyed me. that man was so worried and genuine; he gave the police everything he could in that moment and he seemed so sincere. its beyond fucked up that the neighbor's grief was so much more than Chris's. Shannan was obviously cared about and loved and the fact her husband just killed her with such coldness makes me beyond sick. i cant even mention what he did to Bella and Celeste because it disgusts and horrifies me beyond belief. hopefully that guy gets what he deserves.
I remember the Chris Watts house in Colorado couldn't be sold for years because no one wanted that accursed home. This rocked the US about as bad as the Casey Anthony case. Chris Watts is a psycho.
////TW//// For anyone who doesn't know: Chris later admitted to killing Shannan via strangulation while they were discussing a separation. He said she didn’t put up any fight. Bella walked out of her bedroom to see him dragging her mother's body down the stairs. She started to cry, and asked: “What’s wrong with mommy?” Chris put Shannan's body in his truck (what we saw on the footage) and then put both daughters in the back of his truck, and Bella again asked: “Is mommy okay?”. Shannan was in the footwell at the girls’ feet. Watts drove around for a while and Bella and Cece fell asleep. When they arrived at the oil tanks, he took Shanann’s body and began to dig her grave. Bella and Cece asked him: “What are you doing to mommy?” but he didn’t remember what he answered. He then put a blanket over Cece's head and smothered her in the backseat. Cece didn’t fight. Then he crammed her body into the first oil tank with Bella watching from the car. He described feeling nothing for his daughter as he let her body drop into the oil and listened to the ‘splash’. He described it as ‘surprisingly easy’. Bella was crying and asked: “Is the same thing gonna happen to me as Cece?” Apparently, Watts either did not reply or didn't remember what he said, but he began to smother her too. Bella fought back and said her final words "Daddy, no!" when he held her down and suffocated her with her favourite blankie. He later described being surprised that Bella had fought back as she was usually so soft-spoken. Quote “She had a will to life. She may not have understood death but she knew I was killing her”. She bit part of her tongue off because she was fighting so hard. When Bella was gone, he shoved her body into the other oil tank. Watts described the climb of the stairs as ‘empowering’. It was a tighter fit for Bella’s body and apparently he struggled to fit her through the small opening. He then buried his pregnant wife. Watts reported ‘separating them all purposefully’ and making sure both Bella and Cece were as far away from Shanann as he could get them, likely as his final act of spite. I thought you all deserved to know the true extent of this sicko's actions. May he rot in hell. RIP to beautiful Shannan, Bella, Cece, and baby Nico ❤
@@cloverheart I think it just illustrates how cold this was. He drove around for over an hour with his pregnant wife's body in the car, then killed each daughter separately. It completely throws out the idea of a crime of passion.
Bruh that pause technique is So weird because one in therapy is So similiar its actually scary. When therapist sits and look at you and you don't know what to say its Just uncomftarble silence. It Just shows how much psychology has an impact on these. It's So fascinating
@CoarseDirtBlock I'm sure you can ask about it and bring up your annoyance. You might find a different tactic together! Personally I disliked talk therapy, I did art therapy for a while which basically distracts your brain by giving you something to do with your hands and acts as an icebreaker with the therapist around difficult topics
Yeah sometimes mine is silent because I forget what he asks me and I feel bad asking him to restate the topic of the conversation- so we sit in silence until I remember or he asks something else💀
My therapist’s version is asking, “So, what’s going through your head right now?” bc she learned pretty fast that if there’s a forced silence I won’t be the one speaking up. She’s really good at timing it though, she often knows something’s up even before I realize I’m having a thought. Pretty cool how easy it is to read people with some training.
@@Victor_Graves teachers (and therapists) sometimes don't want an answer that's right, they want any response that lets them evaluate where the class is at, if people are confused, or just any comment they can build on to tie into the lesson. So don't always worry about not having the right answer; teachers just want you to engage and participate in some way... because staring at a room full of silent teenagers and getting zero feedback and blank faces is also awkward for teachers :) that said this technique can get old
At least "just because" is intriguing. He did it because he wanted a hot young mistress without having to have responsibility for his own family. Nothing remarkable at all.
“I don’t think they turn literal blue” Ok he’s both right and wrong. Their entire body doesn’t go blue but areas like lips, eyelids, the flesh under fingernails do. Especially in babies and toddlers. As someone who works in childcare, it’s super common to see lips turn blue in little kids when they’re cold or choking.
See, this is why I love Sneeg's reaction videos. He's not just a bobblehead reactor that sits there and just nods for 60+ mins straight. He actually has some interesting commentary about the videos he watches lol
Go have aclook at seeking the truth with dave.he has cottoned onto the watts parents and has many a sly dig at shannan .about chris watts being an abused husband . Its discusting i could not stand by my son if hd did something the same.
I love that polygraph gal so much, she's so good and makes everything seem so natural, gives nothing away as she's going along, and knows exactly the right things to say. So good!
"This poor dad, dude. How could this dude make his dad go through this? That's so messed up." Considering how much Chris Watts' parents hated Shan'ann, to the point of A.) Refusing to go to Chris and Shan'ann's wedding B.) Refusing to go to Bella and CeCe's birthday parties C.) Feeding nuts and nut-based food products to Bella and CeCe despite CeCe having a deadly nut allergy and D.) Telling Chris "We forgive you, son!" at his sentencing Pardon me for not feeling bad about his dad finding out his son murdered his daughter-in-law and two grandkids he didn't actually give a fuck about.
I did know about the rest except the ,”we forgive you,son” but that’s horrible. I feel bad for the ppl who knew Shan’ann and cared for her , having to hear that.
His mother is the worst. She wrote a book that just painted Shan’an in the worst possible light possible. She STILL thinks she killed the kids, not her perfect boy.
i've watched the netflix documentary about this case and they show chris' sentencing in it and something that fucks me up is that his parents get up to the mic and tell him "we love you and we forgive you". i realize that it's a very difficult time for them too since the culprit is their /child/ and the victims are their daughter-in-law and grandchildren and i cannot understand the complexity of it all because i have (fortunately) never gone through this BUT with all this being said it still itches me in the wrong way that they just . forgive him like that
Yeah that’s actually baffling. I don’t understand that at all. I can understand them (to a minimal extent) being not so bothered about their daughter-in-law maybe, since in-laws seem to always have a weird relationship, like they’re putting up with eachother because they love the same person in different ways. But to forgive him when their *grandkids* are all dead?? Every grandparent I know, especially those who don’t get along with their own kids, ADORE their grandkids. So it completely baffles me that they forgive him in the slightest.
Forgiving can mean different things to different people (like moving on but not ever speaking to them again )but I'm also baffled. I guess he is afforded truly unconditional love by his parents, which he never showed his own kids and which he probably can't appreciate for how fucking lucky he is to have that.
@@clutterbot7279 honestly if my dad were to murder me (he would never), I feel my grandma would 100% forgive him. I personally am hated by my grandma because she hates my mom (granted neither of us really did much to her than stand up to her bullshit) and she adores her son unconditionally. I guess my point is, some grandparents aren't always that stereotype that I wish were true. But that's just my situation, I'm sure his parents are different, which is why I'm actually kinda baffled as well.
telling victims to forgive the people who wronged them is a hell of a drug and a mentality that needs to die. i doubt they decided to forgive him of their own volition.
Dude I remember keeping up with this case in class when we did like daily events. It's so weird seeing it again but it's like fully solved, it was so fucked.
Reminds me of when the Scott Peterson case happened. In my middle school social studies class, we'd watch the news every morning and write about it in a notebook.
Its always so chilling to me in cases like these when someone refers to a missing person in past tense. Like i know its not always a sign of something nefarious but got it just... makes me uneasy
recently watched the netflix documentary about this case, but already JCS’s video about it is much clearer and more educational. (adding: sneeg’s comments obviously make it even more interesting otherwise i wouldn’t be watching this lol)
I remember watching those interviews with my Mom and Grandmother. They both turned to each other and said "He killed her. At the very least he knows something about where they are." I imagine that everybody who watched those interviews thought the exact same thing.
what i struggle most with ANY case where a spouse/parents murders their family is how they can do that to their own kids. like killing your spouse obviosly isn't right, this guy would still be a tremendous pos even if he only killed shanan, but to kill your kids is so fucking dispicable i cant wrap my head around how anyone could do that i dont believe in heaven or hell but i hope there's some sort of afterlife that he'll rot in and that shanan and the kids' souls can rest peacefully whereever they may be
I never thought about the pause technique as a real strategy, I just accepted that "they're pausing 'cause they want more information" whenever I've seen it happen. This is amazing, I feel woke Edit: And it gives the detective time to think about what to do next or how to respond. This technique is simply too powerful for any ordinary primary school to use when confronting wrongin wrongdoer student
I noticed it is also effective in just a classroom setting. Like I remember I was teaching a lesson and the kids started talking and I just stopped talking and looked at them until they noticed and stopped. Funny enough that is what my lesson was about, how they would talk while the teacher was talking
fun fact, my grandparents live in frederick and knew shannon from community events, and now they can’t sell their house because the neighborhood is now only known for this case so nobody wants to move there
I remember when Chris Watts was doing public appeals for his family to return, me Turning to my mom and saying that I think he did something to them. I've never been so sad to be right.
1:16:34 At this point, a lawyer could easily make the case for temporary insanity, caused by seems it his kids dead. But after he plead guilty, the defense had no way of saving him if the prosecution denied it to seek the death penalty. Also, his later confession makes me think of him as nothing less than the worst of what humanity can provide. Rotting in solitary is too good for him.
I think I remember when I first heard of it. I informed my family and we all agreed he was highly suspicious but couldn't fathom how you could do that to your family, it's a very sad and absurd situation and my heart goes out to everyone who was affected by their murders
watching these videos makes me realize that i wouldn't fare well if i was being interviewed by the police as a suspect, even if i'm completely innocent. i'm 100% sure i would be wrongfully convicted.
i feel like one of the worst/saddest parts of this case that wasn't in the video was when he was in court and got convicted that his parents yelled "we forgive you" at him while Shannon's family is falling apart over Shannon and the girls
its so weird that chat completely agrees with interrogation “this is how an innocent person would act, and a guilty person would….” but when the polygraph person does it chat goes “huh thats really weird wtf is that question” like??????
can you imagine doing a crime and getting arrested and it's time for the interrogation and fucking Sneegsnag walks in, I would be so shocked I immediately forget every lie I had rehearsed in my head. I could be INNOCENT and I'd immediately lose it. "Holy crap will you sign my mugshot" the NERVE
I remember watching this on Netflix a few months back. Not even five minutes in and the husband immediately felt suspicious to me. When he confessed I was beyond mad, crying like he deserved pity. You deserve something but it’s far from pity
I seriously don't understand why sneegsnag is trending in #unreality. I haven't been able to make head nor tail of it, despite watching him for years and being an avid tumblr user.
@@mahoganymouse tumblr doesn’t find sneeg real because it’s a thing on tumblr that people make up content creators ??? i think idk. the tumblr UI confuses me, so i don’t use it
I watched the Netflix special on this case without knowing the culprit, and I really tried to believe in the guy but he’s just an absolute monster. I just started this video and cannot wait to see Sneegman just bully this murderer. #normalizebullyingmurderers
I just finished binging all the other true crime vods this could not have been better timed!!! I love these, your insight and personality makes them so much more interesting. I've never been able to get through one on my own lol. Thanks!!!
I had to watch this for my family studies course, felt actually sick when I had finished it. Even though I listen to podcasts about serial killers, this really hit me hard. Interesting to see Sneeg's commentary on this case.
33:30 sneeg, you need to realize something, narcissists think that they can always get away with it. Chris thinks that the cops are stupid enough to believe him, because to him, he's smarter and better than the cops. So obviously whatever he's saying, he's gonna have enough conviction to convince himself that it's working. When it's actually the whole opposite.
Dude this is like my new favorite thing to watch I love this criminal justice where they analyze people to see if there guilty thro phycology is just awesome ,never mind seeing them get what they deserve
I wasn't here for this stream and I'm glad its here! :D I like these streams/videos. A little fun thing I learned while I was taking Public Speaking last semester actually was to understand and spot liars. Its amazing what people will do to try and get away with a lie. -People that are lying WILL try to give extra detail and lengthen their stories in order to make themselves seem more believable and sometimes try to side track the other people in the room to start thinking something else to forget about the main topic they were all on about. -Liars will also trying to explaining themselves will also try to make too much eye contact with whom ever they are speaking to to try an convince the other person that they are "telling the truth" (as popular opinion and myth "liars do not look you in the eyes. " In fact, they will do the opposite to try and make the other people believe them) -While telling their lies or their story, they will also try to distance themselves from the subject to make themselves seem less involved and seem innocent and even trying to bring up other things in their story to again, side track the people in the room -Body Language is my favorite part because although yes there is shock trauma and people can just straight up deal with things differently, but when people are telling the truth during situations like this where their families are literally missing, someone got killed etc., like any human being with feelings people crack while telling the stories and begin to cry, choke on their words etc. Compared to liars who will either do one or the other which is fake crying or freezing their body and barely making any facial expressions. This one day of my Public Speaking class was really interesting and very fun to learn about :D so I thought sharing some of this knowledge with you guys would also be fun since I don't really get to talk to people or tell anyone anything something fun I've learned about :) We actually had to watch a Ted Talk video on this called "How to Spot a Liar" by Pamela Mayer if anyone wants to dive into this thing about Lie Spotting :D its really fun to learn about I think and also can be very useful for investigating and understanding people psychologically >:) Use the knowledge and the tool of Lie Spotting >:D its powerful and helps more with watching the JCS videos :D
This is all well and good, but it doesn't work properly for neurodivergent people (like myself). The way we work and our natural body language is just so *different* that I've been accused of lying by my own parents when I was being honest more times than I can count, just because I'm, well, *different,* and not what people are used to.
@@inorexablechaos1139 not all liars do do this! Some people are VERY good at getting away with it by using different tactics and not everyone is good at catching liars or accuse the wrong people for lying, your example being one of them. I’m sorry to hear that your parents do that to you a lot :( must suck n stuff. I only shared this knowledge because its something I learned about a year ago now! I thought it was super interesting to learn then and trying to apply that knowledge to this content was super interesting! So I thought it be fun to share something I learned :) Its some generalized things that some liars do apparently :0 Not all liars do, and some people just do these things naturally So sorry if any of what I said in my main comment or this comment upset you :( wasn’t my intentions at all! Just wanted to talk my thoughts :)
I get so worked up every time I hear about this case. Even after spending years as an avid consumer of true-crime “content” (feels weird to word it as such, considering these cases involve very real people), this particular case makes me so incredibly angry.
I would want news interviews to happen if it were me so that more people are aware and if they see them they can call the police. But I wouldn’t want to be the one interviewing, I would want the story to be made, but I probably wouldn’t be very comfortable to interview 2 days after all of my family had gone missing.
They knew …..right from the beginning. So did we. I just came upon your channel & immediately subbed. Your observations are spot on, but missed by so many. It’s refreshing to hear someone who is actually smarter than Chris! Thanks!
This one was a rough one.. This on.. yeesh man. this one hit me harder than the Casey Anthony case. amazing video though, I love hearing you input on this stuff. Ive been thinking about going into criminal physcology myself
what really gets me is the fact that he talked about his children so thoughtfully and in a nuturing way after murdering them. sends chills down my spine every time.
So what this three-part series is basically saying is "here is every way that this awful man failed every single test that law enforcement threw at him to the point that everyone almost immediately knew he was involved" what a creep
I’m always late to these, but I barely made it through this one. The second his poor Dad went into that room and had to listen to him confess in some way, but also lie, I had to pause and take a deep breath. Those poor innocent babies did not deserve to have their lives taken away by the “man” who was supposed to protect them for life. Shannan also deserved so much better and so did that unborn baby. This whole case has my head spinning. I feel like I need to cry after this. RIP beautiful girls, you’ll never be forgotten 🥺
The father isn't any better actually. He didn't care about Shannan nor his grandkids. He and Chris' mother forgave him and the mother made a book completely blaming Shannan for the murder despite the fact they have done things such as giving the kids candy with nuts in them when they knew they had a fatal nut allergy. And Chris fully admitted to the murders at some point detailing what happened. Showing they truly don't care. They just care about being able to see their son as perfect.
@@rainbowdino9310 oh no, really? That’s really damn unfortunate. Here I got fooled for thinking the granddad actually cared 🤦🏻♀️. I should know better when it’s case as involved as this. Thank you for making me aware of that!
My dad is very adamant that kids come first when it comes to taking care of your family, and he always puts me and my brothers first- It's never seemed weird to me when a dad says that their kids mean the most to them- But the way this guy says it is just so unnerving
when the chris watts case first happened my father was obsessed with it. he has always been obsessed obsessed with killers especially the ones that could get away with it for so long. however the chris watts case intrigued him so much because he said he could relate to chris. apparently he has had the urge before to get violent for no reason and just strangle my mother or me or my younger brother and honestly i wasn't shocked to hear this from him. my dad is speculated to have bipolar depression but has never went to therapy or anything to get diagnosed, but he has got anger issues where he will just go into a fit of rage and do things without thinking and honestly if my brother and i were a big younger still, i really do think he could turn into a chris watts pt2 or at least that's what my paranoia and anxiety tells me. thankfully im moving out soon and my brothers old enough that he doesn't test my dads patients much anymore. i could go on but im definitely oversharing. anyways this was all i was thinking about during this video. Great commentary sneeg.
On the “how would you make someone disappear” question a passive answer is definitely to avoid them, block them on everything and don’t make any contact
@@notDundi his girlfriend didn't want kids, and he wanted to leave his old life to be with her. He didn't want to divorce his wife in the middle of a pregnancy because it would look terrible, he didn't want another kid, and he may have gotten shared custody. I believe he meant to kill the kids all along
@@notDundi I actually read a lot about this case, I don't remember where I read it but he tried to kill the kids before having a talk with Shannan, the kids survived and went into his and his wife's room where he killed her. He then ( sadly ) sucessfully killed his children ( I could be wrong though )
I am 29 minutes in and I have to say, this is one of the better detectives I've seen for JCS. Besides the part at 28:00, nothing super big stands out, he's just all around good. He's got like 7 in every stat.
sneeg has a chill, yet gamegrumps vibe in his vids that i really appreciate. the best 'reaction' content centers around what the streamer can bring to the video, and sneeg is always adding both interesting and useful commentary. makes these even more fun for a second watch. 10/10
I wouldn't feel bad for Chris's family. They still believe that Shan'ann is the one that killed the kids and that Chris just disposed of them and killed his wife. They don't think that he did this in cold blood.
I feel absolutely no sympathy for Chris Watts parents and I never will. They hated Shan'ann and went out of their way to tear her down. They hated her in life and in death. They've been trying to destroy Shan'anns character even after she and her beautiful babies were murdered by their disgrace of a son.
13:00 i guess it's just like a way of acting innocent, specially if you don't know they're suspicious of you. probably think that if they ask for a lawyer or don't help with the investigation they might seem you as suspicious
@@plushgasm the powell family, technically it was never confirmed if the husband did it but him and his brother 100% did it. he lost custody of the kids and there’s an audio of when the social worker called the police while he has setting the house on fire
Computer engineering student here! The reason files are never deleted is because your device doesn't remove the data, just the "pointer" that tells where the files are in the memory. Technically if you were to scramble the binary bits, it would be deleted. HOWEVER phones don't work the same as computers. There's plenty of backups, cached data, or third parties that still have copies. Can truly deleting something from a phone be done? Idk
For some reason this reminds me of that reddit post where a guy is like "my wife has been missing for 3 days. I've covered it up, told family and friends that she's on vacation but they seem suspicious of it now. I have to call the police and report her missing. How can I do that without being suspicious?" And everyone commented that he made them believe he had killed her lol. Don't know how that ended tho.. hm..
Thank God for Nicole snd her son who started the investigation even before chris had time to hide his crimes.. The way he killed his little daughters, after seeing their mother dead, and then kills the youngest and puts her in the oil in front of the other child. Endless cruauty. How can he do that especially that way? How did he think he would get away with his crimes.?
keep in mind guys Shannan nor Chris had any defensive wounds even though Chris claimed she was awake insinuating that she thought he was gonna let go the whole time he was manually strangling her (which is minutes long) she thought he would eventually let go of her. Shannan's family claims she was sleeping at that there was no way she wouldn't fight back, though as evil as he is I'm inclined to believe his final story that he gave (in jail after the trial) because the case was closed and other things he said were confirmed with science but you never really can trust a monster like this.
"narcissistic and an idiot, what a weird combination"
he just described every single murderer ever
There are a few that weren't idiots. The main shocker is how far he made it with how much of an idiot he was.
33:25
only the murderers that get caught
@@melxdiq_mxth8993 imo it's still stupid to kill, even if you don't get caught
@@lofkii well- unless its a pedo. in my eyes thats justifiable homicide. (to 100% PROVEN pedos mind you.)
sneeg’s commentary is good because he’s either a serious guy who actually knows enough shit to have a well formed opinion, or he’s pointing and laughing at an actual dunce of a criminal
it’s delightful
nothing better than making fun of a dumbass who did something horrible and got caught for it
@@cloverheart agreed, its so fun to watch
the perfect mix
Good UA-camrs ain’t stupid they deal with a lot of stuff behind the scenes
Sneeg has a Bachelor of Arts in criminal justice so yeah, he knows his stuff
What always gets me is how loved Shannan and the girls were by the people around them. The friend did everything she possibly could to find them so quickly and the neighbour immediately spoke up with worries about about Chris’s behaviour. People around them loved them and wanted to do everything they could for them. It just stands as a really stark contrast to the coldness and emptiness within Chris that he never had the same care for his family.
watching the neighbor talk to the police officer in the beginning completely destroyed me. that man was so worried and genuine; he gave the police everything he could in that moment and he seemed so sincere. its beyond fucked up that the neighbor's grief was so much more than Chris's. Shannan was obviously cared about and loved and the fact her husband just killed her with such coldness makes me beyond sick. i cant even mention what he did to Bella and Celeste because it disgusts and horrifies me beyond belief. hopefully that guy gets what he deserves.
I remember the Chris Watts house in Colorado couldn't be sold for years because no one wanted that accursed home. This rocked the US about as bad as the Casey Anthony case. Chris Watts is a psycho.
it still hasn't sold, noone wants it, even today.
Yeah, I remember that. My mom points it out to me every time we drive past it. It’s horrifying what he did.
It was tied up legally with lawsuits, they were in foreclosure too. A lovely family did buy it and are happily living there now.
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For anyone who doesn't know: Chris later admitted to killing Shannan via strangulation while they were discussing a separation. He said she didn’t put up any fight. Bella walked out of her bedroom to see him dragging her mother's body down the stairs. She started to cry, and asked: “What’s wrong with mommy?”
Chris put Shannan's body in his truck (what we saw on the footage) and then put both daughters in the back of his truck, and Bella again asked: “Is mommy okay?”. Shannan was in the footwell at the girls’ feet.
Watts drove around for a while and Bella and Cece fell asleep. When they arrived at the oil tanks, he took Shanann’s body and began to dig her grave. Bella and Cece asked him: “What are you doing to mommy?” but he didn’t remember what he answered.
He then put a blanket over Cece's head and smothered her in the backseat. Cece didn’t fight. Then he crammed her body into the first oil tank with Bella watching from the car. He described feeling nothing for his daughter as he let her body drop into the oil and listened to the ‘splash’. He described it as ‘surprisingly easy’.
Bella was crying and asked: “Is the same thing gonna happen to me as Cece?” Apparently, Watts either did not reply or didn't remember what he said, but he began to smother her too. Bella fought back and said her final words "Daddy, no!" when he held her down and suffocated her with her favourite blankie. He later described being surprised that Bella had fought back as she was usually so soft-spoken. Quote “She had a will to life. She may not have understood death but she knew I was killing her”. She bit part of her tongue off because she was fighting so hard. When Bella was gone, he shoved her body into the other oil tank. Watts described the climb of the stairs as ‘empowering’. It was a tighter fit for Bella’s body and apparently he struggled to fit her through the small opening. He then buried his pregnant wife. Watts reported ‘separating them all purposefully’ and making sure both Bella and Cece were as far away from Shanann as he could get them, likely as his final act of spite.
I thought you all deserved to know the true extent of this sicko's actions. May he rot in hell. RIP to beautiful Shannan, Bella, Cece, and baby Nico ❤
that "daddy, no!". fuck. that's... chills
@@cloverheart I think it just illustrates how cold this was. He drove around for over an hour with his pregnant wife's body in the car, then killed each daughter separately. It completely throws out the idea of a crime of passion.
@@shouldntve no, i agree. this was purposeful. this was an act of hate. i'm beyond furious for shannan, her babies. none of them deserved this
Poor babies :(
I will never have a single ounce of sympathy for murderers.
I seriously can’t rap my head around how people could harm thee people. a child in such a brutal way, lie about it. Then cry like they deserve pity
Bruh that pause technique is So weird because one in therapy is So similiar its actually scary. When therapist sits and look at you and you don't know what to say its Just uncomftarble silence.
It Just shows how much psychology has an impact on these. It's So fascinating
Teachers do it as well to get students to participate. It can be a useful tool
@CoarseDirtBlock I'm sure you can ask about it and bring up your annoyance. You might find a different tactic together! Personally I disliked talk therapy, I did art therapy for a while which basically distracts your brain by giving you something to do with your hands and acts as an icebreaker with the therapist around difficult topics
Yeah sometimes mine is silent because I forget what he asks me and I feel bad asking him to restate the topic of the conversation- so we sit in silence until I remember or he asks something else💀
My therapist’s version is asking, “So, what’s going through your head right now?” bc she learned pretty fast that if there’s a forced silence I won’t be the one speaking up. She’s really good at timing it though, she often knows something’s up even before I realize I’m having a thought. Pretty cool how easy it is to read people with some training.
@@Victor_Graves teachers (and therapists) sometimes don't want an answer that's right, they want any response that lets them evaluate where the class is at, if people are confused, or just any comment they can build on to tie into the lesson. So don't always worry about not having the right answer; teachers just want you to engage and participate in some way... because staring at a room full of silent teenagers and getting zero feedback and blank faces is also awkward for teachers :) that said this technique can get old
I'm not even gonna make a joke comment here, Chris Watts is one of the most despicable people ever. To kill innocence like that just because.
At least "just because" is intriguing. He did it because he wanted a hot young mistress without having to have responsibility for his own family. Nothing remarkable at all.
“I don’t think they turn literal blue”
Ok he’s both right and wrong. Their entire body doesn’t go blue but areas like lips, eyelids, the flesh under fingernails do. Especially in babies and toddlers. As someone who works in childcare, it’s super common to see lips turn blue in little kids when they’re cold or choking.
Their tongue and gums too, it’s the scariest and creepiest color ever. I saw it when a baby stopped breathing, he recovered but that shade haunts me.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 I knew about gums but tongue? Horrifying. I’m so glad I’ve never had a child choke that badly on my watch, knock on wood
See, this is why I love Sneeg's reaction videos. He's not just a bobblehead reactor that sits there and just nods for 60+ mins straight. He actually has some interesting commentary about the videos he watches lol
I did a paper on this case last year, absolutely screwed up. Also crazy how many people try to put the blame on the wife for what happened.
I had no clue ppl blamed Shannan, sickos
Go have aclook at seeking the truth with dave.he has cottoned onto the watts parents and has many a sly dig at shannan .about chris watts being an abused husband . Its discusting i could not stand by my son if hd did something the same.
I love that polygraph gal so much, she's so good and makes everything seem so natural, gives nothing away as she's going along, and knows exactly the right things to say. So good!
"This poor dad, dude. How could this dude make his dad go through this? That's so messed up."
Considering how much Chris Watts' parents hated Shan'ann, to the point of
A.) Refusing to go to Chris and Shan'ann's wedding
B.) Refusing to go to Bella and CeCe's birthday parties
C.) Feeding nuts and nut-based food products to Bella and CeCe despite CeCe having a deadly nut allergy and
D.) Telling Chris "We forgive you, son!" at his sentencing
Pardon me for not feeling bad about his dad finding out his son murdered his daughter-in-law and two grandkids he didn't actually give a fuck about.
Oh wtf??
Oh so it looks like familicide tends to run in the family based on the nut feeding WTF
I did know about the rest except the ,”we forgive you,son” but that’s horrible. I feel bad for the ppl who knew Shan’ann and cared for her , having to hear that.
His mother is the worst. She wrote a book that just painted Shan’an in the worst possible light possible. She STILL thinks she killed the kids, not her perfect boy.
Well you see where the son gets it from ..
i've watched the netflix documentary about this case and they show chris' sentencing in it and something that fucks me up is that his parents get up to the mic and tell him "we love you and we forgive you". i realize that it's a very difficult time for them too since the culprit is their /child/ and the victims are their daughter-in-law and grandchildren and i cannot understand the complexity of it all because i have (fortunately) never gone through this BUT with all this being said it still itches me in the wrong way that they just . forgive him like that
Yeah that’s actually baffling. I don’t understand that at all. I can understand them (to a minimal extent) being not so bothered about their daughter-in-law maybe, since in-laws seem to always have a weird relationship, like they’re putting up with eachother because they love the same person in different ways. But to forgive him when their *grandkids* are all dead?? Every grandparent I know, especially those who don’t get along with their own kids, ADORE their grandkids. So it completely baffles me that they forgive him in the slightest.
Forgiving can mean different things to different people (like moving on but not ever speaking to them again )but I'm also baffled. I guess he is afforded truly unconditional love by his parents, which he never showed his own kids and which he probably can't appreciate for how fucking lucky he is to have that.
@@clutterbot7279 honestly if my dad were to murder me (he would never), I feel my grandma would 100% forgive him. I personally am hated by my grandma because she hates my mom (granted neither of us really did much to her than stand up to her bullshit) and she adores her son unconditionally. I guess my point is, some grandparents aren't always that stereotype that I wish were true. But that's just my situation, I'm sure his parents are different, which is why I'm actually kinda baffled as well.
telling victims to forgive the people who wronged them is a hell of a drug and a mentality that needs to die. i doubt they decided to forgive him of their own volition.
@@bubble_espeon mhm, why should i forgive someone who fucked up my life? Nah, miss me with that, rot under the prison.
Dude I remember keeping up with this case in class when we did like daily events. It's so weird seeing it again but it's like fully solved, it was so fucked.
Reminds me of when the Scott Peterson case happened. In my middle school social studies class, we'd watch the news every morning and write about it in a notebook.
Its always so chilling to me in cases like these when someone refers to a missing person in past tense. Like i know its not always a sign of something nefarious but got it just... makes me uneasy
recently watched the netflix documentary about this case, but already JCS’s video about it is much clearer and more educational. (adding: sneeg’s comments obviously make it even more interesting otherwise i wouldn’t be watching this lol)
I remember watching those interviews with my Mom and Grandmother. They both turned to each other and said "He killed her. At the very least he knows something about where they are." I imagine that everybody who watched those interviews thought the exact same thing.
my dad told me that when this went to the news, everyone was saying he killed them
WOOO CRIME TIME!
(also this case is so sad, and the fact his mother stills proclaims his innocence is sickening)
@@adyny8598 JESUS I skipped to the comments as a secondary activity while listening and idea she did that. Absolutely sick.
@@adyny8598 what??? Jesus. Why do I get the feeling he was a spoiled kid who got used to getting his way and so he thought he could get away with this
what i struggle most with ANY case where a spouse/parents murders their family is how they can do that to their own kids. like killing your spouse obviosly isn't right, this guy would still be a tremendous pos even if he only killed shanan, but to kill your kids is so fucking dispicable i cant wrap my head around how anyone could do that
i dont believe in heaven or hell but i hope there's some sort of afterlife that he'll rot in and that shanan and the kids' souls can rest peacefully whereever they may be
I never thought about the pause technique as a real strategy, I just accepted that "they're pausing 'cause they want more information" whenever I've seen it happen. This is amazing, I feel woke
Edit: And it gives the detective time to think about what to do next or how to respond. This technique is simply too powerful for any ordinary primary school to use when confronting wrongin wrongdoer student
I noticed it is also effective in just a classroom setting. Like I remember I was teaching a lesson and the kids started talking and I just stopped talking and looked at them until they noticed and stopped. Funny enough that is what my lesson was about, how they would talk while the teacher was talking
fun fact, my grandparents live in frederick and knew shannon from community events, and now they can’t sell their house because the neighborhood is now only known for this case so nobody wants to move there
I remember when Chris Watts was doing public appeals for his family to return, me Turning to my mom and saying that I think he did something to them. I've never been so sad to be right.
1:16:34 At this point, a lawyer could easily make the case for temporary insanity, caused by seems it his kids dead. But after he plead guilty, the defense had no way of saving him if the prosecution denied it to seek the death penalty.
Also, his later confession makes me think of him as nothing less than the worst of what humanity can provide. Rotting in solitary is too good for him.
I think I remember when I first heard of it. I informed my family and we all agreed he was highly suspicious but couldn't fathom how you could do that to your family, it's a very sad and absurd situation and my heart goes out to everyone who was affected by their murders
watching these videos makes me realize that i wouldn't fare well if i was being interviewed by the police as a suspect, even if i'm completely innocent. i'm 100% sure i would be wrongfully convicted.
Hopefully you call your lawyer if that does happen, friend.
@@commanderweebsterz oh yeah, for sure
Yeah as someone with anxiety I tend to ramble due to stress, not sure I would do well in that kind of situation 🥲
@@TheArchiTenshi neurodivergent folks tend to get read incorrect by body language specialists, so
Lawyer up
i feel like one of the worst/saddest parts of this case that wasn't in the video was when he was in court and got convicted that his parents yelled "we forgive you" at him while Shannon's family is falling apart over Shannon and the girls
its so weird that chat completely agrees with interrogation “this is how an innocent person would act, and a guilty person would….” but when the polygraph person does it chat goes “huh thats really weird wtf is that question” like??????
can you imagine doing a crime and getting arrested and it's time for the interrogation and fucking Sneegsnag walks in, I would be so shocked I immediately forget every lie I had rehearsed in my head. I could be INNOCENT and I'd immediately lose it. "Holy crap will you sign my mugshot" the NERVE
wake up babe it’s time to watch sneeg true crime
I remember watching this on Netflix a few months back. Not even five minutes in and the husband immediately felt suspicious to me. When he confessed I was beyond mad, crying like he deserved pity. You deserve something but it’s far from pity
I actually work for the security company that worked on this home and horrible situation, it's messed up stuff
Makes me sick
normally i never comment but holy SHIT that polygraph girl uh - tammy (?)
SHE WAS GOING SO HARD . She's a total badass
the absolute JOY i got during her "how could you make someone disappear" questioning TUENING INTO "ok so now we can start :)" SHES SO FUNNY LMAO
@@sidney9796 SHE REALLY IS . Like, she really just bullied that dude and WON . Total power move
"You're a horrible liar. Like Really really bad" fuckign killed me
@@razorslazor6021 and then her "thank you for being a bad liar" had me cackling
I only found this guy's channel through tumblr's disbelief of his existence... Glad I did, this content's cool.
The tumblr discourse is very funny (coming from a half or more a year viewer) glad you decided to check it out :)
I seriously don't understand why sneegsnag is trending in #unreality. I haven't been able to make head nor tail of it, despite watching him for years and being an avid tumblr user.
@@mahoganymouse tumblr doesn’t find sneeg real because it’s a thing on tumblr that people make up content creators ??? i think idk. the tumblr UI confuses me, so i don’t use it
@@snazzygoth69 good for you that site is a hellhole
@@slyvesterakaspookmcskull6113 It 100% is, I only stay because it's funny sometimes.
I watched the Netflix special on this case without knowing the culprit, and I really tried to believe in the guy but he’s just an absolute monster. I just started this video and cannot wait to see Sneegman just bully this murderer.
#normalizebullyingmurderers
I just finished binging all the other true crime vods this could not have been better timed!!! I love these, your insight and personality makes them so much more interesting. I've never been able to get through one on my own lol. Thanks!!!
I had to watch this for my family studies course, felt actually sick when I had finished it. Even though I listen to podcasts about serial killers, this really hit me hard. Interesting to see Sneeg's commentary on this case.
33:30 sneeg, you need to realize something, narcissists think that they can always get away with it. Chris thinks that the cops are stupid enough to believe him, because to him, he's smarter and better than the cops. So obviously whatever he's saying, he's gonna have enough conviction to convince himself that it's working. When it's actually the whole opposite.
Holy cow I remember seeing this case on the news, really chilling to see all the before hand stuff.
Dude this is like my new favorite thing to watch I love this criminal justice where they analyze people to see if there guilty thro phycology is just awesome ,never mind seeing them get what they deserve
When sneeg pointed out her posture I imidiatly sat up and fixed my posture hahahaha
i get an insane amount of serotonin every time i see a new crime time video has been uploaded
If a detective was interrogating me and used the pause technique I would just sit and stare at them for a while then say "I like staring contests"
Thank makes you sound like a psychopath 😂
I audibly gasped when I got the notification for this, I love this so much!
I wasn't here for this stream and I'm glad its here! :D I like these streams/videos.
A little fun thing I learned while I was taking Public Speaking last semester actually was to understand and spot liars. Its amazing what people will do to try and get away with a lie.
-People that are lying WILL try to give extra detail and lengthen their stories in order to make themselves seem more believable and sometimes try to side track the other people in the room to start thinking something else to forget about the main topic they were all on about.
-Liars will also trying to explaining themselves will also try to make too much eye contact with whom ever they are speaking to to try an convince the other person that they are "telling the truth" (as popular opinion and myth "liars do not look you in the eyes. " In fact, they will do the opposite to try and make the other people believe them)
-While telling their lies or their story, they will also try to distance themselves from the subject to make themselves seem less involved and seem innocent and even trying to bring up other things in their story to again, side track the people in the room
-Body Language is my favorite part because although yes there is shock trauma and people can just straight up deal with things differently, but when people are telling the truth during situations like this where their families are literally missing, someone got killed etc., like any human being with feelings people crack while telling the stories and begin to cry, choke on their words etc. Compared to liars who will either do one or the other which is fake crying or freezing their body and barely making any facial expressions.
This one day of my Public Speaking class was really interesting and very fun to learn about :D so I thought sharing some of this knowledge with you guys would also be fun since I don't really get to talk to people or tell anyone anything something fun I've learned about :)
We actually had to watch a Ted Talk video on this called "How to Spot a Liar" by Pamela Mayer if anyone wants to dive into this thing about Lie Spotting :D its really fun to learn about I think and also can be very useful for investigating and understanding people psychologically >:)
Use the knowledge and the tool of Lie Spotting >:D its powerful and helps more with watching the JCS videos :D
I still have my google doc of notes that I took this day haha
This is all well and good, but it doesn't work properly for neurodivergent people (like myself). The way we work and our natural body language is just so *different* that I've been accused of lying by my own parents when I was being honest more times than I can count, just because I'm, well, *different,* and not what people are used to.
@@inorexablechaos1139 not all liars do do this! Some people are VERY good at getting away with it by using different tactics and not everyone is good at catching liars or accuse the wrong people for lying, your example being one of them. I’m sorry to hear that your parents do that to you a lot :( must suck n stuff.
I only shared this knowledge because its something I learned about a year ago now! I thought it was super interesting to learn then and trying to apply that knowledge to this content was super interesting! So I thought it be fun to share something I learned :) Its some generalized things that some liars do apparently :0 Not all liars do, and some people just do these things naturally
So sorry if any of what I said in my main comment or this comment upset you :( wasn’t my intentions at all! Just wanted to talk my thoughts :)
@@crimsonchaosred I understand! I just wanted to share my perspective on the subject. Thanks for understanding :)
@@inorexablechaos1139 ah alright! :D thank you for that \o/ ❤️
Excited I actually caught this one early for once
The investigator literally told Chris "you're doing great looking like an idiot, please keep talking" lol the investigator is great
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EVERY SIBGLE DAY DUDE. THIS CASE IS INSANNEEE
I love watching these vids on their on but having sneegs insight and commentary makes it enjoyable and feels like im learning along the way
mom wake up, new daily sneegsnag upload just dropped
I get so worked up every time I hear about this case. Even after spending years as an avid consumer of true-crime “content” (feels weird to word it as such, considering these cases involve very real people), this particular case makes me so incredibly angry.
I would want news interviews to happen if it were me so that more people are aware and if they see them they can call the police. But I wouldn’t want to be the one interviewing, I would want the story to be made, but I probably wouldn’t be very comfortable to interview 2 days after all of my family had gone missing.
I was just about to find an old crime video I missed to watch, very nice timing on this :D
incredibly happy to see more of these :D thank u sneeg ur poggers
I always find these interesting to watch and watching you watch it is great (I love not being able to have a understandable sentence)
They knew …..right from the beginning. So did we. I just came upon your channel & immediately subbed. Your observations are spot on, but missed by so many. It’s refreshing to hear someone who is actually smarter than Chris! Thanks!
perfect streamer, perfect video length. keep up the awesome work, man
*everyone expecting him to be a frantic mess*
chris: lizard boy
no violent murder, only the chill occasional killing
This one was a rough one.. This on.. yeesh man. this one hit me harder than the Casey Anthony case. amazing video though, I love hearing you input on this stuff. Ive been thinking about going into criminal physcology myself
what really gets me is the fact that he talked about his children so thoughtfully and in a nuturing way after murdering them. sends chills down my spine every time.
So what this three-part series is basically saying is "here is every way that this awful man failed every single test that law enforcement threw at him to the point that everyone almost immediately knew he was involved" what a creep
I’m always late to these, but I barely made it through this one. The second his poor Dad went into that room and had to listen to him confess in some way, but also lie, I had to pause and take a deep breath. Those poor innocent babies did not deserve to have their lives taken away by the “man” who was supposed to protect them for life. Shannan also deserved so much better and so did that unborn baby. This whole case has my head spinning. I feel like I need to cry after this.
RIP beautiful girls, you’ll never be forgotten 🥺
The father isn't any better actually. He didn't care about Shannan nor his grandkids. He and Chris' mother forgave him and the mother made a book completely blaming Shannan for the murder despite the fact they have done things such as giving the kids candy with nuts in them when they knew they had a fatal nut allergy. And Chris fully admitted to the murders at some point detailing what happened. Showing they truly don't care. They just care about being able to see their son as perfect.
@@rainbowdino9310 oh no, really? That’s really damn unfortunate. Here I got fooled for thinking the granddad actually cared 🤦🏻♀️. I should know better when it’s case as involved as this. Thank you for making me aware of that!
My dad is very adamant that kids come first when it comes to taking care of your family, and he always puts me and my brothers first- It's never seemed weird to me when a dad says that their kids mean the most to them-
But the way this guy says it is just so unnerving
when the chris watts case first happened my father was obsessed with it. he has always been obsessed obsessed with killers especially the ones that could get away with it for so long. however the chris watts case intrigued him so much because he said he could relate to chris. apparently he has had the urge before to get violent for no reason and just strangle my mother or me or my younger brother and honestly i wasn't shocked to hear this from him. my dad is speculated to have bipolar depression but has never went to therapy or anything to get diagnosed, but he has got anger issues where he will just go into a fit of rage and do things without thinking and honestly if my brother and i were a big younger still, i really do think he could turn into a chris watts pt2 or at least that's what my paranoia and anxiety tells me. thankfully im moving out soon and my brothers old enough that he doesn't test my dads patients much anymore. i could go on but im definitely oversharing. anyways this was all i was thinking about during this video.
Great commentary sneeg.
Make sure you're safe, holy shit
Please make sure you're safe! Wishing you guys the best
Omg get away from him asap! Please be safe!
That is not where I saw this comment going.
Y'all still alive..?
On the “how would you make someone disappear” question a passive answer is definitely to avoid them, block them on everything and don’t make any contact
Ive been in some dark places during my life but i never understand why someone would take the lives of their own children, what the fuck
I assume he wouldn't touch the kids if they didn't notice him disposing of their mom's body. "No witnesses" and stuff
@@notDundi his girlfriend didn't want kids, and he wanted to leave his old life to be with her. He didn't want to divorce his wife in the middle of a pregnancy because it would look terrible, he didn't want another kid, and he may have gotten shared custody. I believe he meant to kill the kids all along
@@notDundi I actually read a lot about this case, I don't remember where I read it but he tried to kill the kids before having a talk with Shannan, the kids survived and went into his and his wife's room where he killed her. He then ( sadly ) sucessfully killed his children
( I could be wrong though )
I am 29 minutes in and I have to say, this is one of the better detectives I've seen for JCS. Besides the part at 28:00, nothing super big stands out, he's just all around good. He's got like 7 in every stat.
at least he isn't like the detective in stephen mcdaniels interview. he has like a 1 in charisma lmaoo. "You ever think about having sex? LIAR"
@@hal6568 Lmao I remember that one. I totally agree.
sneeg has a chill, yet gamegrumps vibe in his vids that i really appreciate. the best 'reaction' content centers around what the streamer can bring to the video, and sneeg is always adding both interesting and useful commentary. makes these even more fun for a second watch. 10/10
seeing u reacting to this made me so happy, the Chris Watts case is my fav case of all time
I wouldn't feel bad for Chris's family. They still believe that Shan'ann is the one that killed the kids and that Chris just disposed of them and killed his wife. They don't think that he did this in cold blood.
especially after how they acted in court during sentencing i stopped feeling bad for them
I feel absolutely no sympathy for Chris Watts parents and I never will. They hated Shan'ann and went out of their way to tear her down. They hated her in life and in death. They've been trying to destroy Shan'anns character even after she and her beautiful babies were murdered by their disgrace of a son.
I remember watching a netflix documentary with my mom about this
We really needed that sweet puppy at the end of this video, thanks XD.
13:00 i guess it's just like a way of acting innocent, specially if you don't know they're suspicious of you. probably think that if they ask for a lawyer or don't help with the investigation they might seem you as suspicious
i absolutely love these videos. it’s so interesting
i remember watching the interview on the news. and fun fact he lived about 45 minutes away from my hometown.
I remember seeing this on the news. My friend’s dad used to work with Chris
reminds me of that case from utah where that guy killed his wife and then burned down his house with him and his kids inside
what case omg
@@plushgasm the powell family, technically it was never confirmed if the husband did it but him and his brother 100% did it. he lost custody of the kids and there’s an audio of when the social worker called the police while he has setting the house on fire
@@swimandsleep6979 my brother josh, blew himself and his two kids up
The one where the father let's his pickup truck fall on his son
Computer engineering student here! The reason files are never deleted is because your device doesn't remove the data, just the "pointer" that tells where the files are in the memory. Technically if you were to scramble the binary bits, it would be deleted. HOWEVER phones don't work the same as computers. There's plenty of backups, cached data, or third parties that still have copies. Can truly deleting something from a phone be done? Idk
"And I was like, 'what's going on?'" You can hear the concern..
I will never understand how someone could kill innocent children, let alone their own children without any remorse.
For some reason this reminds me of that reddit post where a guy is like "my wife has been missing for 3 days. I've covered it up, told family and friends that she's on vacation but they seem suspicious of it now. I have to call the police and report her missing. How can I do that without being suspicious?"
And everyone commented that he made them believe he had killed her lol.
Don't know how that ended tho.. hm..
I remember seeing this on the news when it happened, saw him on the interview and immediately everyone in the house agreed he had smth to do with it.
It's 5 am but I got very excited when I saw this on my recommended page
Is it wrong to say I been waiting for this one?
No I have too 💪
Thank God for Nicole snd her son who started the investigation even before chris had time to hide his crimes.. The way he killed his little daughters, after seeing their mother dead, and then kills the youngest and puts her in the oil in front of the other child. Endless cruauty. How can he do that especially that way? How did he think he would get away with his crimes.?
i watched this documentary on netflix a while ago and its interesting seeing it again from a non netflix perspective lol
YES I've been waiting for you to react to this since the first JCS video you posted
9:45 Those slow blinks are SO WEEIIRRDDD
“Those kids” is crazyyy
Love the true crime stuff, learn a lot from you boss man keep up the awesome work ❤️
Hey Sneeg. If you want to react to more like this I recommend the channel “this is MONSTERS”
i was just telling my friend how I was sad that I had went thought all of the true crimes vid :D
I personally love that criminals don't get lawyers, makes it easier for our detectives.
Holy shit orange hat is fuckin goatee in this case lmao
I was so fucking pumped when the orange hat dude immediately called his neighbour out to the cop lmao, an absolute chad.
these streams are all i binge
I’m fucking dead at the look into the camera as he says “he’s stupid and narcissistic, I’m shocked”
this guys literally being like
“i want to find them”
“okay will you help us find them”
“…i want to find them”
"Barrel rush me" Welp sir you not only go on tv after killing our kids but you accidently make a pun relating to where their bodies were found.
38:07 couldn't it also lead to him confessing? like if they tell him they know he did it because of the polygraph, couldn't that make him confess?
keep in mind guys Shannan nor Chris had any defensive wounds even though Chris claimed she was awake insinuating that she thought he was gonna let go the whole time he was manually strangling her (which is minutes long) she thought he would eventually let go of her. Shannan's family claims she was sleeping at that there was no way she wouldn't fight back, though as evil as he is I'm inclined to believe his final story that he gave (in jail after the trial) because the case was closed and other things he said were confirmed with science but you never really can trust a monster like this.
you get dizzy REAL quick during strangulation, if she was asleep, she wouldn't have woken up quick enough anyway.