Finnish Prisons are INSANELY Luxurious...
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2021
- Today we check out the strangely luxurious Finnish prisons.
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happy independence day to my fellow finnish people 🇫🇮💙
Thank you!!
@@lissul5909 :)
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Happy Independence Day! :)
Thank you !
As a criminology student, I feel like this video can be very misunderstood.
So first of all, committing crimes can come from various reasons. For example stealing because you otherwise have to starve, upbringing, environment of people, social circle of people etc. Can influence the actions people take.
Let's say a person started with stealing some crisps from the store at the age of 14. Bad influence by friends (or lack there-of, as in they do these bad things to get attention from others) and end up pickpocketing, committing arson, vandalizing property etc.
Some even do it out of boredom.
By giving them the proper help after they realised that what they did just wasn't right, can stop them from doing it again.
That's why they're studying, picking up hobbies for example to not fall into bad habits because of boredom or to be able to get a job once they get out so they don't have to steal anymore to not starve.
I think that working with VR and such isn't just for funsies, but because they tend to be locked away from the rest of the world and have literally no knowledge of what's going on. By letting them know new developments and such, they won't get this immense shock by the change in the "real world".
I can't explain everything too well because I study it in Dutch as my native language isn't English, so sorry I couldn't explain it better...
I can promise you though that if a prisoner does not see their mistakes, they will not get this, what some would call, "luxurious" treatment. Like, a serial killer where we're almost certain about that they'll do it again, they won't be prepared on getting out again because they probably won't get out
I also forgot to add that rehabilitation gets done WITH the victim. None of this is happening without the consent of the victim
Thank you for the information :000
@@reaper-mf No problem, I hope it made sense and could inform you a bit more on the topic 💖
in finland we have one serial killer classed as such by the fbi, michael penttilä. he's been released a few times and that's one of the rare cases when the finnish prison system doesn't work, when a person has an addiction to kill. thankfully the public has been informed about them a lot and this way when he gets released again i hope no more victims emerge.
I know in Canada we have a program where people in prison can help train service dogs
The point of training prisoners with life sentences in Finland is that life most often doesn't mean life in Finland: it's more around 12 years or so usually
Life usually means 20 years in Canada, but our prisons suck like the USA.
Isn't life the maximum of around 30 years here? (Finland)
@@brokenguardianangel8575 22 years is the longest anyone has ever been in prison for one crime, it was a murder of an elderly man.
@Guopi i would guess its big enough chunk from a person's life. I think around 20 has been the longest life sentence here
@Guopi I am not sure. But I think after the 20 years in this case they can ask to be set free and if it is denied they stay in prison.
I looked it up. Apparently there is life which is for undetermined time and then there is for a specific time, for example 20 years. And after 10 (under 21 year old when the crime was commited) or 20 years the case is taken to court to determine if the person can be set free.
This would be great in the US. For small crimes people get really shun, even if it’s one of those being at the wrong place wrong time. Or innocent people that got wrongfully sent to jail.
in brazil we have a similar problem when it comes to drugs, we don't have a law that says the especific amount of drugs of like if you have 10grams you are a consumer and if you have 100tons you are a drug dealer, so it up to officers to decide, so white people are always "consumers" and poc are always "drug dealers", even if the quantity of drugs that the poc has is considerably lower than the white people. So this poc end up being send to jail for very very small quantities of drugs whilst the, clearly, drug dealers, when white, don't
@@barbara_LL that's literally fucked up- stuff like that has no reason other then that racist bitch's want to be racist and sense their in authority they get the say-
This would be useful everywhere. The way U.S prison systems are set up are more likely to give you more mental health issues and commit more crimes.
Slavery never died in America, it just became the prison system
And that's FUCKED
In US prisons they treat criminals like animals so of course they will behave like animals. I know, humans are animals too but you get my point.
honestly this just makes me have respect for Finland. here in the us the prison and jail systems are incredibly corrupt and inhumane and are often times used to falsely arrest people for the sole purpose of free labor. and worse off it's mostly people of color who are targeted. those stuck in the systems often times get treated horribly and aren't properly accustomed to normal living once they're released.
i quite like that there is a more healthy balance between punishment and rehabilitation with the focus being more on the latter. It allows for a focus on actually snuffing out the problems that lead to the crime and can be way for more preventable measures.
plus Finland having free healthcare and paid student loans already wins them a lot of respect from me: an American teenager who can barely afford to eat who can't afford college and is terrified of when my childcare runs out
in conclusion: thanks Finland, very cool
that’s why i love basically all of north europe. it’s like that in norway too. i actually feel like the government and everyone working here actually care for the people and not just themselves. i mean of course there can come some people like that but overall i feel safer with the thought of living here than anywhere else in the world.
I just want to offer a correction to Finland having paid student loans: No, we don't. We have free tuition even at higher university level BUT plenty of us still take loans to be able to afford living expenses while studying. That said, I admit that the difference between 20k and 200k of debt after graduation is huge and I'm thankful for this system.
@@jemhams oh my bad, thanks for the correction!
I have a masters in criminology (undergrad was psych and crim) and work in the criminal justice system in my country, so i have studied this soo much. Finland is amazing! One reason (among many) America has so many people in prison is because its one of their main sourses of essentially free workers (its insane the percentage of stuff inmates make for that country!).
Prison is punishment to take you away from loved ones and society, not to treat them like animals during their sentence as well.
Education and humanity is key ❤️
Yeah, prisons in America are awful. And you cannot vote after. If you've been a felon, regardless of your charge you cannot own a fire arm, or sword, or bow and arrow... and you have to pay a heavy ass fine as well as all the cost of living in prison. It takes some people a whole lifetime to pay back. And good luck finding a job if you you've ever been convicted of any crime. It's horrible. I've personally never been locked up, not even in jail. But it doesn't take going, to see that it's slavery and injustice. We need huge reforms.
Swords and bows might be different, in my state I could buy a sword from a flea market and all I've gotta show is my ID to prove I'm over 18.
In my state you can vote after being released
So instead of monitoring ex-felon's guns they'll open up a reason to get an unregistered one? Sounds about American
I agree to an extent that rehabilitation is the best way forward but...not for paedophilia and rape.
The weapon-ban isn't a bad thing tbh 🤔
Should be generalised to the whole world imo 😬
I firmly believe that the reason why finnland is the happiest country in the world is because Finnish people are constantly surrounded by other Finnish people, and there is something inheritantly, involuntarily funny about them.
Haven't laughed at a video this much in a while - and it was mostly about Matti the murderer!
Thanks, I guess? 🤭🇫🇮
I’m sure the person he killed thought it was hilarious!
I would love to see Joinen trying to pronounce long/difficult finnish words, Itsenäisyyspäivä (which is today) for example 😂
We have a program in our prison in Genoa, Italy where prisonners get taught things, do hobbies and once a year they host a show at the theater. Of course they choose who will go and who will stay and there are policemen around in case one tries to escape but it was fun the last time. Btw it's not only prisonners but there are a couple of actual actors in the show to help. I think they also opened a theater right next to the theater they perform.
I don't understand why so many people are dead set on punitive justice. I am studying criminology and this type of prison system is way more effective than American prisons. Just look at incarceration rates between America and Finland. Being punitive just doesn't work and only encourages us to be more sensationalistic and emotional about crime.
is just like children, if you hardly punish a child for every bad thing they do, they will probably just get angry, and it is essentially the same with criminals punishing people, and putting them is horrible prisons won't make them better, it will get then angrier and more likely to commit crimes again
I live next to an open prison, they get to work in the flower shop next to it and it's so wholesome lol
thats really cool, just imagine buying roses from a murderer
@@froggings Well I'm not a huge fan of roses, I think I'd buy cornflowers instead. Otherwise, sounds cool
I guess it is more about rehabilitating the prisoners then punishing them
It also is much more cost effective. If you turn those expensive prisoners into effective tax payers they are able to pay back some of the money their incarceration costed the society. So rehabilitation only makes sense from every perspective of the society.
As a person with auditory processing issues, I'm really happy to see they have subtitles for all the speakers. Not just the translated ones
Happy independence day to my fellow finnish people! 🇫🇮
This video reminds me why I want to become a teacher, I can't even word just how badly I want to ramble to everyone about restorative justice and rehabilitation and their benefits (especially the lack of recidivism), I really wish I was in chat so I could have contributed more
I think the reason this works so well in Finland is that quality of life is so high there. In the USA many people would benefit from going to a Finnish prison having done nothing wrong, just for the material, educational, and health support
Very good point
It's sad to me how we see this, but rather than trying to make the US better, some try to make Finland worse. Shows a real lack of understanding
Joinen speaking English:
😃😅🙁😮😆😯😦😊😣
Joinen speaking Finglish:
😐😑😒😐😐😒😑😑😒
True tho... the intonation is very level in Finnish compared to the ups-and-downs of voice in many other languages. This makes it seem emotionless to foreigners. We do have emotions (we just don't like showing them to everyone around us😉)
It's not finglish. It's a rally english :D
Gotta love Joinens Finnish-Russian accent
Joinen: Finland is a very small country.
Me, who lives in Liechtenstein: 😑
Und ich in Luxemburg „are we a joke to you?“ 😂
Since when is Finland small lmao
where is that??
@@ccappa2001 tiny country next to Switzerland and Austria 🙃
It sounds so weird based on what we’ve been taught, but it’s true. I have my degree in Criminal Justice and it’s been proven: rehabilitation is the only actual helpful way to run a prison.
Okay I tried to hold back from spamming the comments but I actually can't help myself, this topic even being on the channel genuinely makes me so happy, Joinen you have truly made a non-binaries entire week, thank you for doing this (even though I'd say that wasn't your intention lmao) ❤❤❤❤
Im convinsed that the reason why Finland is the happiest country is because everyone is here like "its fine, everythings fine" no one dares to complain
"Hey, did you know that prisons in Finland are really good even for murderers?
So anyways... you wanna go to Finland?"
I always tell people Finland is hands down the best country. I’m from and live in Puerto Rico lol but I was fortunate to have been able to visit Finland a few years ago and, wow, it’s just something else.
I realized the other day that universities in Italy can become free. In case you have a low income, taxes and all payments (for my university at least) can go from 0 to 3000 a year. Basically the lower the income the cheaper it is. Because we have a whole income tracking system that tracks how much you earn vs how much you spend (taxes, bills, morgages and other necessary payments) and based off that they can give discounts or bonuses for public services.
Joinen is flexing his, knowledge of accents, in this video.
the different purposes of prison:
what most countries say its for: to get the dangerous people off the streets
what it's for in America: enslaving the poor and mentally disabled while sometimes slapping some richer people on the wrists a little bit for being too public with their crimes, and every now and then an actually dangerous person will do time, though never nearly as much time as the poor will do for the crime of being poor
what it's for in Finland: Actually reforming people to make them productive members of society
Smart prisons huh?
Alexa, unlock Maria's cell
I would like to say to the "you don't need subtitle." comment that people who don't speak perfect english really like that subtitle. I'm from Finland so english is not my strongest language. I still use it daily, I watch english videos but I have to say, that I miss most of the dialogue when there isn't subs. Sometimes I hear words wrong, sometimes I don't even know what the word is and sometimes it's just a fancy word with no meaning :'D But when I see the subs, I can read what the word was. It makes a big difference when you can read and listen at the same time. It's not because people don't speak english that well, it's because english it's not my main language.
I've seen people using that same argue when people ask them why they watch show/video with same dub and sub. They always say that it's not their main language so it helps them to understand it better, when they can hear and read at the same time.
Yes, fully agree. Even though Joinen and other people who can easily comprehend english can understand what's being said, that doesn't apply to everyone.
Also, hearing impaired people exist!
Finnish prisons: Fun, Cosy, Nice community
Cyprus and Turkish prisons: If you breath you die
This video remined Me of the time they showed showed us this video in school of this ex Us Prison Warden Visiting The safest Prisons in Finland Sweden and Norway. the dudes constant What the Fuck? this would be completely Unacceptable in a US Prison Face was priceless.
I don't think this is even possible in the US as the living standard is so low there sadly enough...
If the country can't even provide Healthcare or education without making people go in debt, then this will never happen...
It's actually so weird watching these vids in the afternoon instead of first thing in the morning
(Also I genuinely really love the prison systems in their corner of the world, we did this stuff in sociology and it was probably the most passionate I've been at school for a little while)
The system in Finland is like... If you do crimes like murder and such you do end up behind bars for years but as time passes and you start to near the end of your sentence you are put to the open prisons to give you like a soft restart, rehabilitate and get used to the changes in society... However it also works as sort of test that are you really "yhteiskuntakelpoinen" aka. "fit to society" so in otherwords if you are put to open prison and show that you have not changed at all and use the time off you have been given to do crime again, you will most likely end up behind bars after evaluation why did you redo your crime.
A high part of recidivism in the States is would you rather be hungry, cold and dying on the Streets or guaranteed food and a place to sleep? Nevermind lack of resources to cope and the prison - pipeline. Prisoner abuse is rampant. And isolation- a routine punishment here- is considered a human rights violation and torture
Joinen, you laugh at the subtitles for the speakers in the video but some people are hard of hearing and need the subtitles to know what is being said. Other people are still learning English and have a hard time understanding less common accents of the English language.
I didn't get to watch the video from yesterday, so I just got done watching that one just in time for this one! Two joinen videos in one day, makes for an awesome day. Woot woot 🥳
Edited for spelling
We need more Finnish accent Joinen
these prison cells are better than the college dorm i paid $900/mo to live in wherein i shared a single room with another person paying 900 a month all for the luxury of carpeted kitchen in our 20 foot space
Me: I'm feeling slightly murdery....
Also Me: "Yes, I'd like to book a vacation to Finland"
👍
I literally got a vr headset ad while watching this. No UA-cam, I won’t fall for your clever advertising.
Kimi Räikkönen with a straight face: "I'm very happy with the result"
3:00 how is this a hard thing to understand for countries honestly? like no country think it’s fair to give prisoners who most of the time are NOT murderers or pedophiles, and more often than not had to sell drugs to make ends meet, or often even just USED drugs and got locked in a cage. Ridiculous. Like male suicides slecifically in prisons is a serious fucking issue.
Ikr. A lot of the time locking them up just makes the situation worse
I have worked as a guide in that Prison Museum in Hämeenlinna.
I live in Finland and I do think these are a good thing. We just can't afford to keep people on prisons for all the rest of the life they have, so the best thing is to make it so that they integrate well back to society and won't reoffend. However I also feel a bit iffy about it when it's people who have murdered or sexually assaulted someone as that ruins lives and obviously takes a human life if it's murder. I just feel like there isn't justice for the victim or the victim's family. But at the same time I don't have any better options and still I do believe prisoners obviously deserve human rights, health care etc, and it must be so that the people leaving prisons are not worse off than when they came as it only leads to them reoffending etc. It's just tricky.
Btw I they must have some limitations on what the prisoners can do online if they have internet right? Like it is impossible to access some sites and not be able to message people without supervisions. Otherwise they can easily still commit crimes or at least be part of crimes or plan them even while in prison. Like let them study and play games if they want to, but it should be priority to keep the public safe.
"they're speaking english, they don't need subtitles"
Deafness cured, just speak english!
I feel a Woooosh coming my way, but I don’t think they added the subtitles for that reason. At first I was thinking the same thing, but the subtitles were only there for that one clip and not the entire video.
@@twasadream496 honestly, I've seen some subtitles used for people with heavy accents, so that's probably what joinen was referencing and why it had subs, but since I know some HOH people, deafness was the first thing that came to mind
Joinen should speak with finnish accent all the time
Finnish life sentence is around 12 years
Prisons in Finland:
Get to go where ever you want, not very many limitations, get to take university classes.
Meanwhile, in Florida:
"I'm gonna break out of this stone ocean"
14.30 is funny to me, bc finnish people are crazy about free buckets 😂
Today I've learned even murderers are treated more human than I am and I have numerous mental health conditions
We need to see an episode of Scared Straight in Finland
Happy independence day to all Finnish people 🇫🇮 And thank you very much for letting me stay in your wonderful country 😊
People who are hard of hearing need the subtitles too. Yes their accents don't make it difficult to understand them but many people use subtitles even when they can understand what is being said to make sure they hear everything properly. If anything they should have use subtitles throughout the video not take away from it
Healthy mentally people don't commit murders. All crimes are mostly result of circumstances. It makes sense that if they were given support and skills they are less likely to commit crimes again
I was ways amazed by the Norwegian prison system (very similar to this) and how it's humane. (UA-cam search)
People don't realize that psychological punishment doesn't work, just makes people even more resentful/self hate and socially pushed away bc of the stigma; it's a never ending cycle.
Here in the US, there's only a few jobs that would hire an ex convict. So most end up doing crimes again bc there's no social or economic way out, and thus end up back in. It's so sad.
Before anyone judges, please research prison history and hear all sides of the prison reform argument. Yes there's bad people out there, but everything is a nuance. The world is never black or white; we contain multitudes, it's what makes us human
i've seen some people comment about this so i'll lend my voice too. subtitles are really important, not just for translating from other languages. deaf, hard of hearing, english second language, auditory processing disorders, adhd, autism--all of these are reasons people might need subtitles to be able to understand and enjoy the same content as everyone else. they are an important accessibility aid for us and i use them myself everywhere i can find them.
I think the reason why he commented on it was that there were only subtitles when the Finnish people spoke, not when the narrator spoke. On a second note, I agree that subtitles are important and should be available everywhere, but I also think they should be possible to turn off everywhere (when the subtitle and spoken language are the same). I have autism and ADHD, and subtitles can actually be very distracting for me.
Quite the Russian sounding R you got there joinen. 😂
Dude I can't even afford a VR.. sign me up for Finnish prison
Edit: also 18:10 this impression is my favorite part 😆
In Sweden we normally joke about prision food being better than school food (which is most times true) and that it would be cheaper to just be put in prision instead of renting a small apartment in the big cities 😂 But even if the Nordic countries has these good prisions, people Still don't wish to be there. And as all our info is open to the public, you can't really hide that you've commited a crime.
Chockes me how other countries got much harsher laws, scentences and has to pay for everything (school etc) when we're living proof that society is working as intended with these benifits
strange because the company that caters (very low quality) school food to my university (U.S.) owns prisons in other Chile and i think also caters to some prisons here
So when they get out of prison if they do what this sort of does it is it makes them more and kind compared to like other prisoners in other prisons because most of the time they will still come out hostel and commit more crimes so Finland is making the more happy is nicer probably teaching them some social skills too because it is scene that prison in better conditions make a lower amount of crime sometimes they will even stop doing crimes sometimes compare to the opposite
Poop
Omg such an epic video
When you get your Ph.D. in Finland, you get a sword. If I were Matti's registrar, I would seriously side-eye him if he enrolls for a Ph.D.
No time for murdering when you’re stuck on TikTok
I’m moving to Finland for the education system but the justice system is also a plus. If I happen to commit a crime I’d rather go to jail there and get my problems fixed then be put in a dusty box over here in Canada.
Australian here, I'm the same. I swear i sound insane when I try to explain I dont *plan* on committing a crime but I don't want to just be tossed away if I do
9:00 This guy looks like he's in squid game
also it's really sad that these facilities are nicer than most US college dorms
Finland is in fact the happiest country, this must be another factor.
You need to look at the prisons in Norway!
As a Finnish person I've done some research on this and a life sentence DOES NOT actually mean *life* sentence. Life sentences are usually under 15 years and the longest sentence in Finland has been just 22 years. IT'S RIDICULOUS RIGHT??
Scandinavian re-offence rates are the lowest in the world. American prisons are literal torture chambers and our re-offence rates at some of the highest in the world so....
you should check out Halden prison in Norway :)
in finland a life sentence is max 24 years I think and usually it's a lot shorter than that actually. most of the time this works really well since the prisoners are actually treated as humans and can get jobs and normal lives even though they made mistakes in the past :)
Narrator: Finland is the safest place in the world
Also narrator: this dude murdered somebody
Well, to be fair, a country where there are no recorded crimes isnt very trustworthy imo
@@osheridan true, true
Those open prisons are not for everyone. Only well-behaved prisoners can get into them, as well as before release. In open prisons, you can practise civilian life, not by being thrown out of prison immediately when your sentence ends. You can starting work or school during your imprisonment and finding freer things to do when you are released. You are immediately integrated into society, rather than only being able to start when you are released. Those open prisons are very strict. If you are late at night (they have arrival times), drink alcohol or break other rules you go back to a closed prison. So an open prison is not for everyone
Micah, Mäti just hanging out there in TYRKY, I'm done ahahaha
The Finnish accent sounds like a Russian person trying to do the counts accent from Sesame Street but never quite getting it.
14:10, I understand the point he's making and I'll tell you what he means: Buckets are more natural than toilets.
Joined always makes me laugh even when I having bad day 🤒😅😁🐸
He probably gets a better education than I do and I live in Canada!
Who knew that you could murder people and get three square meals and get to play a VR game during the day.
No Moi = Well Hello.
Noi Moi = Gibberish.
Honestly I like Finland’s tactics for there country we should learn from them and make our country’s like there’s
I mean cmon
Free education free healthcare low crime rate cmon
We should do what Finland is doing
The U.S. needs to take a note of rehabilitation.
If I ever get arrested taken to Finland.
I'm over here paying rent like... Brb gonna go do something stupid enough
That 'relic' looks exactly like the museum I went to where they used to torture suffragettes
joinen's thing anbout what is and isn't AI is soooooo good
Nice video
Yay!!! I knew there would be something for the independence day!!!! Happy Finnish Independence day y'all
Finland is like how I imagine a perfect world
Joinen, YOUR VIDEOS need subtitles. Subs aren't just for people speaking another language or "when people have accents so heavy we assume English-speakers won't understand". Subtitles are also for the deaf, hard of hearing and people with sensory issues. Every content creator should put subtitles in their videos.
Just turn on subtitles yourself.
“Good place to commit a crime”
*Joinen has been in Finnish prison for 12 years now.*
Finnish inmates are living a better life than me 🤦♀️
Bro someone committed murder went there and now he looks like a kind neighbour that would celebrate Christmas with his family of 4
Is he is talking about how do we define artificial intelligence? Or about the singularity? I think that the fact the english isn't his native language makes it look like he learned less?
Suomi perkele! any other finns here?
sidecomment 1: I CRACK UP EVERY OTHER MINUTE TO mattie AND tuurkuu AND THOSE
sidecomment 2: i just realised joinen puts the subtitles everytime he speaks in a finnish accent... TT
what headset is that? i thank its the one ive been looking at the WH-1000XM4
Finland does not have a life sentence like in the US, "life sentence" is maximum of 25 years (i think), not literally the whole life of a person
That's the standard outside of the US. In Canada it's around 20 years, I saw someone else mention a low of 12 for Finland.
For some reason, your "bad Finnish English" somehow sounded more like Russian to me x'D