2JZGE VS 2JZGTE, three options for NA-T
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- 2JZGE VS 2JZGTE. plus three ways to Turbocharge the GE engine using GTE ECU.
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Crazy how a year ago it was cheaper to buy a GTE instead of build a solid NA+t which is the way I am going
GE head gasket is not composite rubbish as this video says. Its a single layer viton coated gasket that actually is pretty strong. Best option is putting rods in a 2jzge vvti and gte headgasket no real need to do head studs factory head bolts are the same from gte to ge. Go standalone and run e85, I follow a couple guys who are making 700-900whp with stock GE vvti pistons just changing out rods and headgasket. Could also just boost a 2jzge non vvti and run the distributor as your CAS and wire in some vvti coils or LS, gtr or yaris coils. You'd benefit from the higher compression with e85 and wouldnt even have to crack open the engine.
I have a ge non vvti can i boost it.
I agree with everything you’ve said but what do you mean crack open the engine?
@@VEGA-Jthe 2jz ge non vvti has the same internals as the 2jz GTE therefore you can increase the same HP as a GTE, the case varies when it is the 2jz ge vvti that has the thinnest internals and you cannot squeeze it the same as a GTE or a GE non vvti, so about your question is if you can increase your 2jz ge non vvti
Lost me the second you said no need to do head studs.
If you’re adding boost to a GE without removing the head at all, you’re brave at best.
If you remove the head, you have to replace the bolts and the gasket. Best option is to go with undercut studs to avoid any future twist.
I would have to see these guys you follow to believe it, cause pushing anything over 4-500 hp with a distributor is a ticking time bomb. I have doubts that anyone in the 700+ range would even consider running stock bolts over studs.
AWESOME VIDEO Clayton! We all do APPRECIATE all the time to take to make these video. This helps us by not spending money on things that do NOT work. Cheers!
Awesome mate, your a wealth of knowledge and this is an important resource for 2JZ followers everywhere! Thank you
Jesus christ I'm stoked I didn't have 2jz ge last year, definitely needed this
Great video, I went gte and I’m happy I did.
I have a 2jzge+t and it holds 350kw fine. Was way cheaper to upgrade to forged pistons and rods than to search for a whole non vvti bottom end. All in my build cost me $6500 about the same as it would be to buy a non vvti in Australia
Did you run a turbo kit made for the car or custom build ? I’m just getting into the 2jz world. I have a 2jz ge vvti in my 99 gs300 . I’m looking to n’a -t but I want to make sure I go the most reliable route in parts.
Nice! Would like to know more about your build.
@@Jp-cr2qu did you build it yet?
Thanks for the video! This is helpful and extremelyly informative!
Nice informations, thank you ! We want more about this :)
i have a 1987 Toyota supra swapped a jdm non-vvti 2jzge in it and slapped a 70mm turbo on it with a greddy e management ultimate only ran 8 psi of boost was great then i wanted more so i rebuilt the motor the ge head gasket is single layer metal not composite. took the head and block to a machine shop got them decked and put new oem 2jzge piston rings and acl bearings (crank and rods) arp crank bolts arp rod bolts got a new oem 2jzgte head gasket arp head bolts new asin 2jzge oil pump VITON VALVE STEM SEALS 650cc denso injectors and put it all back together you can do it for cheaper but i went all out. and for oil pumps you cant run a gte oil pump on a ge block you can but you will push the front main seal out from to much oil pressure. 2jzgte are getting really pricey you can turbo a 2jzge as long as you know what you are doing!
Hey Claiton!!! I would love to pick your brains about 2 of these options! I live in sydney and am currently putting together an NA-T build!!
Awesome video mate good job!
Thanks a lot!
For those wanting further info. The skid factory went through all the differences between the 1j/2j ge/gte VVTI/non vvti
Good info bro , Supra looks sick in the snapshot :-)
Thanks Mike👍
Excellent information, thank you!
full video of turbo 2jz GE pls! give the people what they want we all to broke for the GTE
Swap the 2JZGTE RODS INTO THE GE (remember the GE BLOCK HAS OIL SQUIRTERS) and have some fun.... the stock GE however CAN BE be turbo'd but not beyond 400hp, rods won't support anymore. Tons of guys have done the 2JZGE-NA swap here in the U.S. just check out other UA-cam feeds. THE BLOCK IS VERSATILE more then most think, yes the 1jz and 2jzGTE are built beefier but are stupid expensive depending on where your at. Personally I'm thinking THE 3UZ V8 swap in my 05 IS300. FITS LIKE A GLOVE AND HIS HIGHLY POPULAR NOW only because CALI emissions are retardedly STRICT. SEEN BEAMERS, 240'S and others with that V8 Swap.....
Love your videos man, excited to turbo my 92 sc300! Thinking vvti ge head to get rid of the distributor lol, definitley option 3 but i think its still more cost effective than buying a gte with their prices in us rn
Love your channel man it needs more views this is great info.. ill make sure to subscribe and share ive got a gs300 turbo so this info is great love it
Thanks a lot mate. I really do appreciate the feedback, cheers 🍻
I've got a boosted gs300 with a vvti na-t pretty much maxed out at 10psi on my town since these robs and pistons suck.. any suggestions on building the bottom end on this thing to handle 700ish hp?
@@OzzmosisMining mind sharing what ecu did you use?
So I found a non vvti Ge for $500 bought it
Modified the head for a cam sensor
Bought HKS 272 for $400
( could buy factory tt cams for like $200)
Bought a stand alone ecu $1000
Did lq9 cool packs $100
Modified factory harness
So far I’m $1100 into it and I would have done a stand along and cams in a tt either way so the GE is much more cost effective
where and what standalone for 100$ lmao
Case C sorry $1000
hi Henry, yes on paper it comes out cheap but just try it and you will understand. it does depend on how DIY you are.
you also forgot MLS head gasket
ARP head studs
TT oil pump
sensors
wiring is $$$. Hardest & most expensive part IMO.
can you weld Aluminium? its not easy to weld the cam sensors in.
AN fittings (turbo water & oil lines, the list goes on.
please keep the comments coming. its an interesting discussion
SUPRA VWORLD I’m currently doing it now. That’s what I’m saying though. If you want a stock GTE then of course get a GTE but the second you want to put a single turbo on that sucker it’s much more cost effective to do a GE. Personally my GE has HKS cams mls gasket and basic APR studs. Yes I’ve modified the head for the sensor and a local fan guy would do it with proper clearance for and hours worth of work
( about $150) like I said before if you want more than a stock GTE than yes a GE is 100% the right move. Don’t forget the stock Toyota head bolts have been proven to 800hp if you don’t want to get ARP studs.
What car are you putting it in Henry?
great vid. suggestion for an option 4, 2jzge vvti. would and stock 2jz gte ecu be suficient for a 2jzge vvti +tt
Super budget boost, turbo kit on a bone stock 2jzge, wire up safc2
Maybe injectors and headgasket.
Not going to make a ton of power but more fun than NA
you can get a max of 5psi with the stock MAP sensor
Get a gte map sensor 😁
Seriously though is that all the ge jdm map can handle?
I had a na-t car before but it was a obd2 usdm MAF sensor car.
I'm about to na-t a jdm 93 supra now and was trying to find how much boost the stock map sensor could handle, I've read people just use the gte map sensor
Got a 99 gs300 the other day that's exactly what I am planning on doing. I am going to be running around 9 psi on it. Will be happy around 280 at the well on normal mode and a little north of 300 on kill mode.
v8_sami I got a 03 I really wanna turbo it
I have a ge sc300 how do I boost.
Please ,let's see those 2jzge build upgrades..
I will be going with the 1.5jz option. Will I need a non vvti 1jz head or vvti? I have a non vvti 2jz ge now. Thanks for the informational video
Been running a 2000 gs300 2jzge vvti for 2 years making 648whp with no problems at all. Running a GTX3584
ACTUALLY!?!?! That’s so sick dude
@@evanv8610 as long as you keep the torque Management in the higher RPMs the vvti is actually not a bad motor just can't build torque downlow that's what Bends the little rods.
I'm 52 been building turbo cars probably over 100 since 1989.Boost is in my blood I guess you could say love it.
@@melvingrimes7886 That's really awesome to have that knowledge and passion for cars, keep up the great stuff!
@@evanv8610 Thanks
Hey mate, instead of trying to weld those cam sensors in there (and risk ruining your head, I have no experience welding), you can get a cam sensor kit from Goleby racing in Queensland. For just a couple hundred bucks, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Love the videos, very informative
4th option, if you have a mk3 turbo supra with a 7mgte, swap all of the electronics wiring and ecu over to the 2jzge. You will still need a thicker head gasket but it would be a fun build.
One thing I notice in your video, you didn't mention if you could wire in or use the VVti. Could you elaborate on this?
Toyota started remaking and selling the 2JZ-GTE non vvti head. I bought a brand new one for $2400 AUD a few years ago. Could be an alternative to the 1.5J option.
Hey mate may I ask where you bought the GTE from? Can I please have a link?
@@xxyy7499 Amayama (or even toyota). can get any gte motor (1j, 2j, 3s) hell you can still get new 4agze's. Same goes for r154 boxes.
Not here 8k maybe
I've seen a couple comments addressing mistakes/missing info in this video. Another is that late JDM 2JZ-GTEs (1999 - 2002) use both maf and map sensors.
I am building a 2GZ-GE VVTi block with GTE internals for my IS 300 (Altezza). It’ll have a GE head for better exhaust flow. So far I’m not into it very much money at all.
Hello Clayton! My name is Moe and I subscribed to your channel long ago as it is an AWESOME channel I must say! Really enjoy your knowledge as well as your energy and vigor. I'm an old bloke who now has 3 LEXUSs, a 98 GS400, 01 IS300 and 03 GS300. My question is regarding my IS. It is high mileage (200k) and an automatic. Not to be a bother but could you let me know what I would ABSOLUTELY need to get 350-370HP out of it? I'm a bit confused about Ecus and automatics as well as is it even ok to turbo this car with the mileage. I know I'm asking alot of your time. It's just that there is SO MUCH info out there but I really trust you and your knowledge! Thanks for any help. Cheers.
Hi Moe, that’s a very cool collection of cars you have. I just watched a video the other day on a full plug n play ECU for the Automatic is300. I think you’re right on the mark with 370hp for the rods and Automatic box, which will still be a very fast car and nearly double the HP. I may be getting an is300 soon to make videos, so please look out for that. Also if you go to the supravworld.com site you can see the turbo manifolds that will fit the is300. I also have a coil on plug kit nearly complete that will use R35 coils and fits under the stock intake manifold.
@@supravworld8777 Thanks so very much! I have a bunch of colleagues that own LEXUSs as well so you'll probably be getting some business lol. I'll continue to watch all of your vids as they're extremely helpful and you really seem to be really in love with these cars which is awesome! Please keep up the great work and again thank you for the speedy response!
Great Video! OKay I have a 2002 Lexus Is300 5 Speed W55 coverted from Auto with M98 LSD. The 2JZ-GE engine has 345km/210 miles on odometer but I think the engine is less and was swapped at some point? This 2JZ does not have distributor and it does have Apexi afc piggy back? I want to turbo it without removing the engine? Or find the best way to rebuild and turbo a different 2jz-ge outside the car before I swap it back in? Thanks i look forward to your videos
If you have a 2jzge VVTI then youll want to think twice about adding a turbo. The rods are known to fail before 450rwhp.
@@shadyshinichi2JZ I just wanted to aim for 300rwhp? Less than 10 psi setup. I am starting to be committed to this car...
You compare apples with oranges take the turbos of the gte then compare power ge head very good big no no for 1jz head otherwise good info keep up the good work
hey there i have a 1jz ge non vvti. and i understand that the non vvti 1jz's have the same pistons and rods as the 1jz gte. im wondering if the factory distributer is enough for crank pos. when tuning.
from my understanding al i need to do for the 1jz ge non vvti to turbo it is the basic turbo/ mani/ and lines and tuning ... do i need to do anything special for a na/t for the 1jz non vvti? or can i just turbo it like a regular car.
can you use 2jz gte vvti cams on a 2jz ge vvti
@ SUPRA VWORLD Great vid!! I have a ? So I have a 2005 Lexus GS300 with the tip tronic Manuel mode, I want to swap in a GTE and still be able to use the tip tronics. Which 2JZ-GTE engine would be the best to swap into my car? Thx!
Go single turbo and keep your stock ECU
Use the aristos 2jz
Dhat Lex is there a by benefit of doing it that way over the swap?
Jonny Boost you’ll be able to still use your shift mode, and you’ll be able to pass emissions in the states if your cel light is off (not sure about visual) plus you can always run a piggyback or a stand-alone running in conjunction with the stock ecu (this will allow the stock ecu to still control the transmission)
That’s the set up I’m currently running check my videos out
I'm wondering if everything also applies to 1jz ge and gte engines
Or just get gte pistons and rods, gte head gasket and arp head studs on the 2jz ge vvti
Yes there is so many variables to doing this.
A couple of years ago it was the craze to build the gte block with forged pistons and rods, that meant there where lots of stock GTE rods & pistons for sale, but now everybody has learned how strong the stock setup is so it’s becoming hard to find GTE internals. Still a great option tho.😁😁👍
@@supravworld8777 you can also source non vvti rods as well and swap them in. 2jzge short blocks are cheap as
i have a ge vvti block, so youre saying i can use gte pistons/rods or non vvti ge pistons/rods on the vvti ge crank/block?
@@dabitat yeah, the non vvti rods are the same as the stock gte rods. The compression difference between the gte and the ge comes from the thicker 3 later metal head gasket on the gte. So, if you can find stock gte pistons and rods, get those and a gte head gasket and you are essentially good to go. As long as you arent trying to make huge numbers. That should be solid for 500-600hp which is more than what most streetable cars need anyway
Anthony Leone hey man do you have a instagram? looking to build my 2jzge and want to ask u some questions
the ge distributor houses the crank and cam angle sensors, you can just remove the cap and rotor and use the base of the distributor instead of getting sensor ports welded to the head and replacing the oil pump. you also need a ignition pulse confirmation synthesizer to run yaris coils on a gte ecu
Yes I tried this with the distributor, using it for base timing but it’s just not accurate enough. I do know that a lot of people have had success using the dizzy but it is far from performing like a crank & cam sensor in my honest opinion. I’m always open for a discussion though if you have made the dizzy work well.👍 I personally melted some piston rings with the dizzy
were you still using it as a distributor or just for its sensors?
hondaxr5001982 just for the sensors. I deleted the dizzy and was running a gte Jdm ECU. How about you? What setup have you got?
The dizzy does have the benefit of adjustment & setting base timing but it just didn’t work for me no matter what I tried. I get a bit passionate in my videos sometimes and may have been too harsh on the dizzy😵
@@supravworld8777 Have you had a look at golebys parts and the complete distributor delete + GTE oilpump kit they have? It really seems to be the way to go
Hello and best regards from Poland. Recently I found your channel on UA-cam and I was very interested, as you know Poland, we have a country, Poles who are so themselves and not everything can be arranged immediately and find out everything. And the Internet knows information from all over the world and everything is available I must admit that I do not sit well on the topic of 2JZ Ge and 2JZ GTE engines, I know the differences between these engines, I have a lot of information about these engines, but there is always something missing and there are many ambiguities, inaccuracies. . which solution would be the simplest and I do not hide the cheapest ... greetings Sebastian
Can u do a video on the 1jzgte none vvti
Yes I may do a comparison video between 1jzgte & 2jzgte & 1uzfe.
I will be creating a lot of material to do with the 1uzfe coming in the future.
I will be doing a full build thread on a twin turbo 1uzfe into a Mk4 Supra
The 2jzgte it's all you see video on new content 1jzgte none vvti not much 1uz not much .2jzgte millions
Thank you
Says Chaser but shows a MARK II. Also the VVTI 1JZGE was before '97. What about the fact that 1JZ head might bolt onto 2JZ but the oil feed doesn't line up?
You said blocks were the same bar the turbo drain, what about the (lack of) oil squirters on GE block, also the 1JZ Vvti variant has single turbo not twins. No mention of having to modify oil gallery for 1.5J build.
subbed WHERES THE VIDEO MYGUY BECAUSE IM GOING TO THE JUNKYARD AND GRABBING THE BLOCK AND HARNEss.
In todays times a GTE is $7500 cheapest versus some people saying $6500 for their NA-T
If you have a 92-95 sc300/ non turbo Supra then you have the 2jzgte bottom end with ge head. After 95 they switched to vvti, thinner connecting rods and weaker rings.
If you are putting a thicker headgasket on your 92-95 ge and put new valve stems with arp headstuds then you’re able to run up to 20 psi of boost reliably. Tell me how I know, I own a boosted 92 sc300
Actually after 97 is when they switched to vvti
Aleph Null you’re right, I read somewhere it was 92-95 when figuring out my na-t build
Can I turn my ge into a gte??
for 1.5jz which oil galary we should drill for swap 1jz head and which is cheap swap?
the (only one) that supplies the head
So, please tell me what 2jz should I put in my bmw e36?
2jz ge non vvti
2jz ge vvti
2jz gte non vvti
2jz gte vvti.
Which one should I buy to start my project?
I am going to change internals anyway.
I want to make 600hp +.
Thanks.
From the information I would go with a 2jz ge non vvti because the internals are stronger, but if you’re already changing them it won’t make a huge difference. You would have to additionally turbo the engine or convert from twin to single no matter what so.
If you want some real fun do the 3UZ V8 SWAP...... ALOT OF INFO AS WELL AS mod parts online for this.
Question: Can I swap a is300 2jzge-vvti cylinder head on my 2JZGTE-VVTI aristo?
Yes
In/ex valve its same size?
No
Specifically aristo jzs147 and 161
Why not a 2jzge vvti block and head with 2jzge non vvti/2jzgte rods and pistons? That seems like the best bang for buck. Run e85 for big power to keep the heat out of the pistons for the lack of oil squirters and call it a win, ya?
ecu options
@@baazigaj9125 explain
The VVTI-GE MODEL IN LEXUS' IS300 CAN BE TURBO'D successfully but safely only up to 400hp plenty of guys have done it here in the U.S., NOW!!!! change out the rods from THE GTE and the engines capable of handling high horsepower seen up to 600-650HP stock. Obviously the 1jz as well as 2jzgte are monsters but with the price I'd mod the 2000-2005 GE engine. The 2j-GE is versatile even RAD DOM (BIGGEST 2JZ BUILDER IN THE U.S.) has stated its a versatile alternative. Though guys are swapping 1UZ's V8 are popular swaps now.
build the na-t hands down from a base
So you’re telling me I can’t turbo my gs300 without spending a lot of money?
Here I'n the USA the 2JZ GTE is $7500 to $10000 USD
Screw those engines swap the rods and have some fun.... hell the STOCK GE-NA Turbo'd will pump 400 out of it.
Man I have a 2JZGE VVT -i 👎🏾
naah bra @Andrew, look for non vvti rods and pistons of gte, single turbo maybe 3076 and a stand alone ecu...you be better than all 3 options listed.
2:13 thats not a chaser its a mark ii
Non vvti ge is the best engine.
So just buy a gte engine and slap it in to a is300
This is why you don't take info off the internet and try to make a video if you have not gone thru the process. Half of his info is wrong and this video gets a thumbs down.
I have built a 2jzge NA-t. It’s sitting in my garage right now. I even fabricated my own turbo exhaust manifold for the ge head and have spent hundreds of hours working on these engines.
Who are you? Please explain what information is incorrect!
@@supravworld8777 SUPRA VWORLD Nothing in this video was incorrect though you misssed critical parts of information when talking about certain topics or you threw it in somewhere else. There was to many to list so im not going to give you an example for that because if you know this stuff you should of worded it better and taken your time with a video such as this.
Saying you have a 2jz-ge turbo (NA-T) and spent 100's of hours does not mean you know what your talking about i have seen plenty of misinformed people bulding engines....
There is plenty of info out there and you clearly need to learn more about the 2jz-ge vvti variant because it is far more superior then a 2jz-ge non vvti. Especially when aplying boost!
@@supravworld8777 @SUPRA VWORLD Not to metion the fact a 2jz-Gte means twin turbo. Any 2jz-Ge with a turbo (NA-T) is most likely a single turbo otherwise you may aswell buy a 2jz-Gte but for cost to power ratio with (higher hp) your better off with a 2jz-Ge and a single turbo unless you own a 2jz-Gte equipped car already. So IMO the higher the hp your looking for the better off you will be building a 2jz-Ge into a 2jz-Ge-T (NA/T) over a 2jz-Gte.
@@bobbyoghee9124 please tell me you're trolling because you sound ridiculous. The 2jzge VVTI is the weakest version of the 2jz platform due to its smaller connecting rods. You are limited to around 400rwhp before it breaks. If you are building one of these engines you do not want the GE VVTI version.
@@shadyshinichi2JZ Hahaha are you serious.Trolling lol...? if your staying factory there are many better engines out there....If you want a modified 2jz all you need to do is swap the con rods and head gasket on a ge to turbo it and its cheaper then buying a gte and going single turbo state some facts or gtfo.
1:50 stop saying nonsense like this some people only want 300hp so the vvti is just fine for that