The Lost Banjo-Kazooie 2D Platformer - Game History Secrets

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    Today on Game History Secrets we talk about the lost Banjo-Kazooie platformer for the Nintendo Game Boy Color, which was planned to release as Banjo Kazooie: Grunty’s Curse.
    Liam Robertson is a video game researcher and archiver. In his spare time, Liam creates videos and articles for various outlets, and will also be contributing to the Did You Know Gaming channel.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 296

  • @paintguin9004
    @paintguin9004 4 роки тому +128

    I imagine grunty's curse concept closely to yooka and laylee and the imposible lair

    • @felixdaniels37
      @felixdaniels37 4 роки тому +6

      Hell, Grunty's Revenge even reminds me of the top down portions of that game.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro 4 роки тому +6

      Do I even need to say that Yooka-Laylee was developed by people from Rare?

    • @IkesDaddelbox
      @IkesDaddelbox 4 роки тому +9

      @@TheRezro I'm sure everyone who cares about Yooka-Laylee knows that.

    • @raxadian
      @raxadian 3 роки тому +1

      Very unlikely as it was a Gameboy Color game; so basically a Nes game. Yes Games made for the Gameboy Color only and that didn't work on the Gameboy, were superior to Nes games but back then most Gameboy Color games were made to also work on the Gameboy and with that in mind, the hardware just wouldn't have been powerful enough.

  • @Sjono
    @Sjono 4 роки тому +36

    Grunty changes her appearance each game as much as King K Rool did

  • @Mario1080p
    @Mario1080p 4 роки тому +30

    12:25 I would have figured Banjo was referencing the game over scene from the first game.

  • @CamFraser25
    @CamFraser25 4 роки тому +295

    I can't believe they used that font on official documents.

    • @functional200
      @functional200 4 роки тому +35

      Ok I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought about how they used comic sans on official game concepts

    • @LamanKnight
      @LamanKnight 4 роки тому +59

      Ha ha, yeah. But I remember, back in the '90s, Comic Sans didn't have the connotation that it does today. Most people didn't think of it as tacky yet; it was just something different. Very different from the serif fonts that people had been using for so long, so it seemed fun. It definitely looks funny now, though.

    • @ZombieBarioth
      @ZombieBarioth 4 роки тому +27

      Being different or annoying people, either way sounds like something Rare would do.
      They were internal documents after all, so they knew exactly who would and wouldn't be reading them.

    • @the-mush
      @the-mush 4 роки тому +7

      And also on the game dialog subtitles...

    • @da_roachdogjr
      @da_roachdogjr 4 роки тому +8

      ​@@LamanKnight when comic sans was made, anti-aliasing wasn't a thing. That's why it was very popular.
      google "comic sans anti-aliasing"

  • @Thehokage36
    @Thehokage36 4 роки тому +68

    It’s really a shame we have went so long without another Banjo game.

  • @RazorBladezX
    @RazorBladezX 4 роки тому +11

    God Gruntys Revenge was fantastic for what it was. Wish I had my copy of it still

  • @vulture.editss
    @vulture.editss 4 роки тому +7

    I think I know how Grunty's Revenge ties into the middle of Kazooie and Tooie.
    When Grunty's soul went into the robot, the husk of Grunty was still there. When Grunty was revived by her sisters, the body was just alive without a soul.

  • @Mega-Robman
    @Mega-Robman 4 роки тому +157

    Bonjo?
    like Bonjovi?

    • @vvx600
      @vvx600 4 роки тому +5

      M3GA Music BonJovi Kazooie

    • @JCM217
      @JCM217 4 роки тому +8

      Careful with what you say, he may bon you.

    • @TheGreatBea
      @TheGreatBea 4 роки тому +6

      The first "Bonjo" got me pretty good, lol

    • @Insanebeastbear
      @Insanebeastbear 4 роки тому +1

      Woah oh.. living as a bearrrr

  • @AleT118
    @AleT118 4 роки тому +3

    The craziest thing is thar Sakurai even acknowledged this game and Banjo Pilot on the Nintendo Direct that talked about him.

  • @paulrahme
    @paulrahme 4 роки тому +1

    Nice video Liam! Interestingly I seem to remember Bozzeye's sprite/animation files being named "Grampa Mole" during the game's development. One thing I'd like to add was the permanent struggle with the limited cartridge size, leading to limits on the amount of graphics heavy content that could fit in, especially when you consider every frame of every character's animation needed to be pre-rendered + saved in multiple directions (5 directions, 3 of which would be mirrored, to give 8 directions).
    PS. Nice one using the modded / colour corrected DKC GBA footage :)

  • @Clownbelt-u2s
    @Clownbelt-u2s 4 роки тому +5

    Now come to think of this, yooka laylee impossible layer’s hub world is like the gameplay of grunty’s revenge. Neat

  • @alessaespressa416
    @alessaespressa416 4 роки тому +16

    I would have loved this I love the Banjo series. I hope they do something with it maybe a remake with modern graphics like crash and spyro

  • @BIastProcX
    @BIastProcX 4 роки тому +55

    The game boy one really had a lot of potential
    It had the looks of an 8 bit cartoonish game

    • @wantedstream5954
      @wantedstream5954 4 роки тому +3

      MultiTarded what the fuck does psychopath have anything to do with this

    • @LinkDawnbringer
      @LinkDawnbringer 4 роки тому +1

      That said I also love the finished product

    • @BIastProcX
      @BIastProcX 4 роки тому +1

      @MultiTarded Here i'll fix it

  • @strain42
    @strain42 4 роки тому

    I would have loved that idea of Robo-Grunty having her own Kazooie-esque partner. I'm always a big fan of fighting characters that are able to sort of match your own types of attacks. This was a really fun video, dude. Keep up the good work!

  • @Shotgun-v-Willie
    @Shotgun-v-Willie 4 роки тому +11

    Banjo is my first game series, it hold a special place in my heart. That being said it's my birthday so thanks!!!!

  • @adventureoflinkmk2
    @adventureoflinkmk2 4 роки тому +20

    11:51 -- so what about Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse

    • @PIKMINROCK1
      @PIKMINROCK1 4 роки тому +3

      It already had Dracula. Pretty sure they figured it was a lost cause if they wanted to avoid offending the overly conservative parents

    • @chop46878
      @chop46878 4 роки тому +1

      Castlevania is much darker than Banjo

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 4 роки тому +1

      Rare didn't make Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse and Castelvania is all about that stuff.

    • @adventureoflinkmk2
      @adventureoflinkmk2 4 роки тому

      @@LiamRproductions right... but Konami used Curse in the game title and it still sold well. I'm sure the other games listed by others still sold decently

    • @SilentLegion96
      @SilentLegion96 4 роки тому +1

      adventureoflinkmk2 Not the same, both are different series. Banjo Kazoie is more kid friendly so marketing wise words like curse aren’t the most appropriate.

  • @MugenSniperGeek
    @MugenSniperGeek 4 роки тому +3

    Great, now I gotta go dig out my GBA SP and play Gruntys Revenge.

  • @ChampionRevilo
    @ChampionRevilo 4 роки тому

    I like that nod to the original game shown at the end of the video. I was unaware of Grunty's Curse back when I played Grunty's Revenge.

  • @ashthedragon
    @ashthedragon 4 роки тому +6

    0:13 is that project DREAM?

    • @awesomejacketdude
      @awesomejacketdude 4 роки тому +7

      Half Project Dream/half Banjo Kazooie beta.
      I guess you can say it's Project Dream transitioning into Banjo Kazooie.

    • @ashthedragon
      @ashthedragon 4 роки тому

      @@awesomejacketdude awesome! Is some where I can see more about that?

    • @awesomejacketdude
      @awesomejacketdude 4 роки тому +1

      @@ashthedragon In Rare's "Rare Replay" for Xbox One they have a special features of the old developers from the Banjo-Kazooie team talking about the development of "Project Dream" and how it became Banjo-Kazooie.
      Or you can type into UA-cam's search bar and type "Project Dream". You'll bound to find some results of the beta of "Project Dream" as well.

  • @theamazinggamer111
    @theamazinggamer111 4 роки тому +1

    0:06 I’m sorry..... *BUNJO* ?
    It’s a joke, guys...

  • @WilsTube
    @WilsTube 4 роки тому +1

    Yay. Another reupload/repeat of a similar Grunty’s Curse video.

  • @ActionGamerAaron
    @ActionGamerAaron 4 роки тому +5

    ... Did they really type their entire design document in comic sans?

    • @GabePuratekuta
      @GabePuratekuta 4 роки тому

      There's nothing wrong with Comic Sans

    • @ActionGamerAaron
      @ActionGamerAaron 4 роки тому +1

      ​@@GabePuratekuta
      www.buzzfeed.com/sophiegadd/absolutely-beautiful-examples-of-comic-sans-in-the-wild
      There is such a thing as a time and place to use Comic Sans. Inside the game of Banjo Kazooie? Yeah, sounds good. But in a Banjo Kazooie game design document??? You want a cleaner font for a lengthy read.
      Not even my own opinion, it's long been a consensus that it's very unprofessional looking given certain contexts and not very comfortable to read at length compared to a more standard sans serifs font.

  • @LycanLink
    @LycanLink 4 роки тому

    I know this video's been up for weeks now, and this info wouldn't be new regardless, because of how old Banjo-Tooie is, but that "ruins in the jungle" level and the "icy furnace" level were both later used in Tooie. I found it odd this video didn't mention that.

  • @tuxedobird
    @tuxedobird 4 роки тому +4

    For a second I thought this was didn’tyou knowvideogames? for a second.

  • @hiphopanonymous9859
    @hiphopanonymous9859 4 роки тому +43

    Microsoft single-handedly destroyed the Banjo series.

    • @ZombieBarioth
      @ZombieBarioth 4 роки тому +20

      Microsoft had nothing to do with it, most of Rare's original staff had already left by the time they purchased them.
      It was practically a new team, we were never going to get a game just like the old ones.

    • @danceswithmetroids162
      @danceswithmetroids162 4 роки тому +11

      That's simply not true. They one-handedley destroyed Banjo, Nintendo was the other hand that didn't buy Rare when they had the chance.

    • @ZombieBarioth
      @ZombieBarioth 4 роки тому +8

      @@danceswithmetroids162
      So what is the truth then? According to past interviews Microsoft was very supportive and gave them a lot of creative freedom. So are we blaming them for meddling too much, or too little now?
      Have you ever considered the possibility that Nintendo saw the writing on the wall and figured Rare wasn't worth fighting for?
      I'm not going to crap on new Rare, but they clearly aren't on the same level as old Rare.

    • @ShadowJinjoYu
      @ShadowJinjoYu 3 роки тому

      It’s was rare did it
      Not Microsoft

  • @NikkiRoesslerBFDIFan64
    @NikkiRoesslerBFDIFan64 4 роки тому

    I remember about Banjo-Kazooie Grunty's Revenge and also that was pretty cool when Banjo-Kazooie Grunty's Curse was brought up although I don't think that there was any known gameplay footage of the GBC game.

  • @maycontainnuts3127
    @maycontainnuts3127 4 роки тому +1

    I can't believe an official project document is written in fucking Comic Sans

  • @Rebateman
    @Rebateman 4 роки тому

    Imagine if Rare was told by Microsoft to remake Grunty's Curse for Switch? Or Project Scarlet? Maybe having a Banjo Replay on Switch with Banjo Kazooie, Tooie, Nuts And Bolts, Grunty's Curse, Grunty's Revenge and Banjo Threeia? Or even adding Banjo Pilot and Diddy Kong Racing to it? That would have also a great reason to bring back Stop And Swap. Doing it between GBC, GBA, DS, N64, 360 and a new title would be epic, even having Xbox achievements earned using the switch version?

    • @ShadowJinjoYu
      @ShadowJinjoYu 3 роки тому

      That won’t happen
      And nuts and bolts is threeie

  • @Atari11000
    @Atari11000 4 роки тому

    An industrial level and jungle Aztec level would have been cool :)

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro 4 роки тому

    nice to hear about this after so long

  • @perlamunoz2707
    @perlamunoz2707 4 роки тому

    Great video,but there's a weird transition at 5:46.

  • @crimtaz
    @crimtaz 4 роки тому +22

    I've heard of grunty's curse before. Interesting upload though.

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 4 роки тому +7

      Yes, I broke the story on it several years ago. This video has a lot more info.

  • @RandomAccessGamer1cc
    @RandomAccessGamer1cc 4 роки тому +1

    Rareware wanted to make great games. Even if it is not in the form they dreamed of they still found a way to get it onto a Nintendo system.

    • @ShadowJinjoYu
      @ShadowJinjoYu 3 роки тому

      They still great games on non Nintendo consoles
      You just haven’t played any of them

  • @shanekimberlin
    @shanekimberlin 4 роки тому

    The design documents have an elementary school's fall 1998 newsletter vibe.

  • @vincetimm4262
    @vincetimm4262 4 роки тому

    Gruntilda ( *Mecha* ) has to advent to the Spirit Board.

  • @toondreamer4438
    @toondreamer4438 4 роки тому

    There are more cancelled banjo games for example banjo x and banjo three

  • @colleenglanville8293
    @colleenglanville8293 4 роки тому

    I honestly kind of like ideas of the time traveling and the witch possessing a giant mecha suit...It's very creative...It's to bad that they didn't do it! 🤷‍♀️

  • @HaitaniMasayuki
    @HaitaniMasayuki 4 роки тому +1

    Of course the GDD was written in comic sans :D

  • @FizzleFX
    @FizzleFX 4 роки тому +1

    1:56 Cars. It was meant to include cars!!

    • @BigAlvideos101
      @BigAlvideos101 4 роки тому +1

      Cars...? CARS?? CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS?!?!?

  • @Saiyan48
    @Saiyan48 4 роки тому +1

    TCRF has an early beta.

  • @cimengngialah2735
    @cimengngialah2735 4 роки тому +4

    Guh-Huh!

  • @fumpledump
    @fumpledump 4 роки тому

    1:04 *Comic Sans*

  • @moonman9504
    @moonman9504 4 роки тому +1

    my all time favorite video game characters and franchise. It’s nice to learn more about this gba game.

  • @BugsyFoga
    @BugsyFoga 4 роки тому +3

    This should be interesting

  • @FuriousGorge
    @FuriousGorge 4 роки тому +1

    Oh man, I love Bancho Kazoie!

  • @brendanrisney2449
    @brendanrisney2449 4 роки тому

    Had this game.
    Never could beat the final boss fight.

  • @Lugmillord
    @Lugmillord 4 роки тому

    For GBA-standards, Grunty's Revenge was a neat game. Short, but sweet.

  • @Dataanti
    @Dataanti 4 роки тому

    1:45 comic sans....

  • @borgue
    @borgue 4 роки тому

    Factor 5 is gonna... factor in somehow.

  • @gwockamol
    @gwockamol 4 роки тому

    gruntys revenge was an amazing game

  • @TheComicRelief9001
    @TheComicRelief9001 4 роки тому +1

    Funny, I always thought that maybe this game had been rushed, turns out it was the exact opposite.

  • @paulhome1883
    @paulhome1883 4 роки тому

    >bawnjo
    off to a good start already

  • @MacDarf
    @MacDarf 4 роки тому

    The only curse here is comic Sans.

  • @SolarMechanic
    @SolarMechanic 4 роки тому +2

    "Bonjo-Kazooie" That's it's name now.

  • @harrylane4
    @harrylane4 4 роки тому +3

    Nobody:
    Liam: *bonjo*

  • @lightspage
    @lightspage 4 роки тому

    6:28 sans at top of screen

  • @zedisded2501
    @zedisded2501 4 роки тому +2

    who tf is Bonjo

  • @Artista_Frustrado
    @Artista_Frustrado 4 роки тому

    I wonder if this is why the Impossible Lair went the 2D route?

  • @SonnyPlaystation
    @SonnyPlaystation 4 роки тому +1

    Wait... Who the fuck is Bonjo?

  • @AceHardy
    @AceHardy 4 роки тому

    Epic battles 🕹

  • @AndresLionheart
    @AndresLionheart 4 роки тому +1

    Seeing those documents written in Comic Sans made me question their legitimacy lol.

  • @AkumaKristian
    @AkumaKristian 4 роки тому

    So a British company though Americans would have a problem with a game with "Curse" in the title...
    Let's not tell AntDude that. I think his head will explode.

  • @noregrets92
    @noregrets92 4 роки тому

    Goddamn I love me some banjo and some kazooie

  • @rmannayr2129
    @rmannayr2129 4 роки тому +1

    BANJO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @jumponeverything
    @jumponeverything 4 роки тому +1

    6:27 That skull at the top looks weirdly like sans.

  • @MetalMeatHead
    @MetalMeatHead 4 роки тому +2

    This was the only banjo kazooie game I owned.

  • @pangoldie
    @pangoldie 4 роки тому +4

    Guh-huh!

  • @CattyMintgum
    @CattyMintgum 4 роки тому +1

    I feel like I seen this before- e e

  • @DjPhantom2158
    @DjPhantom2158 4 роки тому +2

    I'm hyped for this

  • @Jun-fm1kp
    @Jun-fm1kp 4 роки тому +3

    The thumbnail looks like something straight from a nightmare

  • @themarioandluigishow4541
    @themarioandluigishow4541 4 роки тому

    Watch this game be found like south park for the gbc

  • @DangerDurians
    @DangerDurians 4 роки тому +1

    Bahnjo?
    Bonjo?

  • @dominickcruz128
    @dominickcruz128 4 роки тому +1

    Bonjo kazooie

  • @dilloncompton6102
    @dilloncompton6102 3 роки тому +2

    So many corn balls in this comment thread

  • @mathprodigy
    @mathprodigy 4 роки тому +2

    This is an awesome video, was not aware of all this
    Edit: and i appreciate all your efforts to reach out to the 2- decades- lost development team to get this information to your viewers. Props

  • @imjustalittleqwerty
    @imjustalittleqwerty 4 роки тому

    Ok, but where’s Fuckter 5?

  • @RushsBasement1
    @RushsBasement1 4 роки тому +3

    That is just yooka laylee in the impossible lair

    • @ShadowJinjoYu
      @ShadowJinjoYu 3 роки тому

      There not a single similarity
      What the hell you on about

    • @RushsBasement1
      @RushsBasement1 3 роки тому

      @@ShadowJinjoYu well idk i rushed comments a year ago to get top comment so idk what this means lad

  • @UltimateTS64
    @UltimateTS64 4 роки тому +3

    That thumbnail creeps me out for some reason 😂

  • @ogreman-lll-957
    @ogreman-lll-957 4 роки тому +1

    Already knew this

  • @finndahuman57
    @finndahuman57 4 роки тому

    That sounds like a Good mobile Game

  • @SolinoOruki
    @SolinoOruki 4 роки тому

    Do one for #TeamTrees

  • @ConnorJ18th
    @ConnorJ18th 4 роки тому +1

    6:16 "dedails"?

  • @mrmysterious8124
    @mrmysterious8124 4 роки тому

    Can you look at Yoshi's Safari🐉

  • @rubenjo9266
    @rubenjo9266 4 роки тому

    The documents are in comic sans what

  • @Sumnantic
    @Sumnantic 4 роки тому +1

    yey he smash

  • @bugsterlincapoop7900
    @bugsterlincapoop7900 4 роки тому +1

    The game I didn't buy Because frogger was their

  • @TommyDeonauthsArchives
    @TommyDeonauthsArchives 4 роки тому

    We almost got a Banjo Kazooie Sidescroller on the GBC!? Wow! That would have been quite the treat! Oh well... at least we still have the Donkey Kong Land games.

  • @Schimnesthai
    @Schimnesthai 4 роки тому

    Kirby and the Rainbow CURSE says hi!

  • @MrEnte3000
    @MrEnte3000 4 роки тому

    Robertsons

  • @snesdude7
    @snesdude7 4 роки тому

    Banjo Ka2Di

  • @unlovableshinshin
    @unlovableshinshin 4 роки тому

    Hello

  • @sureokk
    @sureokk 4 роки тому +1

    Why did they have to change the artsytyle for the xbox and smash? The old banjo looks so much better

    • @Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat
      @Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat 4 роки тому

      If I remember correctly from the smash banjo direct, they were actually aiming for the original n64 design and even got the original designer on board. It's been awhile so I could be wrong and I guess they could have just missed the mark there.

  • @LostSoulSilver
    @LostSoulSilver 4 роки тому

    I think it would have been better as a side scroller, like Donkey Kong Country

  • @SogekingFirebirdStar
    @SogekingFirebirdStar 3 роки тому

    See, now this original plan could make such a great Banjo-Threeie. I really don't know what the heck Microsoft is waiting for.

  • @gwockamol
    @gwockamol 4 роки тому

    You rly said “tedails” 😂

  • @JazGalaxy
    @JazGalaxy 4 роки тому

    Banjo should have had a transformation where he turns into a man.

  • @de91ne
    @de91ne 4 роки тому

    Ahh wonderfull 1.25x

  • @CodeCaden
    @CodeCaden 4 роки тому

    F

  • @shakeelmubarak1146
    @shakeelmubarak1146 4 роки тому

    bOnjojo

  • @Gunnarshots
    @Gunnarshots 4 роки тому

    1624 view!! yay!