Also at least into the 1980’s the Wizard of Oz played every year on TV. Just like The Ten Commandments and the Peanuts specials. To be fair, that was a long time ago and a whole generation would have to be introduced by their parents or on their own since it is no longer event TV.
It's a great film, but I think most people love the world-building that it did. It's very captivating and memorable. The characters are also powerful and unique, to the author Baum's credit. I actually think the world itself is its strongest suit. That being said, I think it's great to see film schools use it for its storytelling and plot devices, although that might just be the high standards of productions aat the time, and perhaps you could find many normal 1930's films that have just as equally good plots and stories, but without the color and whimsy of The Wizard of Oz. Still, it's a great film, I agree. Maybe it's better that people not jnow abiut it. Personallg, I'd rather see treasures untouched and undisturbed. It keeps them purer.
Same I'm familiar with both but I haven't actually watched or seen the whole thing. Wicked is truly the fanfiction boss level cause look at that world building it's insane
I love it because now I’m obsessed with Fiyero but sad for his fortune that he was turned into a scarecrow for him to survive. It reminded me a little of _Turnip Head_ in _Howl’s Moving Castle_ when Sophie kissed him without knowing that he was the lost prince of the enemy kingdom where there was a magical war. But yeah, I also can relate to Elphaba. 😅
The first book of many. I would love to see some of the other books turned into musicals or movies. Princess Ozma/Tip's storyline would be so cool to see.
The book "The Wizard of Oz" was written in 1900, the movie was released in in 1939 which is based off the book. The book "Wicked" was written by Gregory Maguire in 1995 and is a prequel of the the original book AND 1939 movie. The broadway show "Wicked" opened in 2003 and is loosely based on the 1995 Maguire book. The "Wicked" 2024 movie is based on the 2003 broadway musical which was based on the 1995 book , which was based on the 1900 book and 1939 movie. So overall everything is loosely tied together. Hope this makes sense :)
Well yeah Wicked is mostly what happened before the wizard of Oz but then ends in the present day wizard of Oz. It's kinda behind the scenes as it doesn't really show Dorothy or Glinda but focuses on Alphaba's "villain" arc, well her portrayed villain arc from her point of view where she isn't the villain at all
@@a.cdiamonds8370 tbh Im pretty sure Maguire never read the wizard of Oz and thats why it doesnt have any sense with the story but a little with the movie
Yeah, I'm gonna say NO. His 4 books are so gross with a lot of what he writes in his so-called fanfic books that literally pervert the original 14 books in the Wizard of Oz series by L Frank Baum.
And in the end of the 4th book, Glinda is freed from prison by a mysterious figure who is described as having green skin and she says to them "you wicked old thing what took you so long."
When Elphaba sang if you care to find me look to the western sky her teeth were glowing white, and I cracked up so hard that everyone in the theater looked at me weirdly 😂
I read a book in 2014 called "Dorothy Must Die" about Dorothy becoming an evil dictator. That's the great thing about the land of Oz, it is so whimsical and magical and has so many possibilities that it makes such a good setting.
What's bizarre about all of this is that "Oz" is supposed to be Dorothy Gale's story. She's supposed to be the one who kills the wicked witches and saves the land from slavery and terror. But if you follow the logic of WICKED, Dorothy has no reason to exist. She didn't succeed in killing the Witch of the West - and not only that, she never would have had to in the first place, given that Elphaba was good all along. So, in retrospect, why was Dorothy the heroine of the original story?
She was more like a bystander or even a pawn in Wicked, being used by others for their own personal agenda (The tin man and lion, the munchkins, the wizard) without realizing it because she's just a lost kid trying to survive
@@SeasideDetective2To further manipulate her so that she would be easier to control. Dorothy spent the entire film fearing the "wicked" witch. Had Glinda not put into her head that the Western Witch was "bad", Dorothy might have actually spoken to her and had a conversation instead of blindly fearing her.
@@Rose_Bride idk about blindly fearing her. The Western Witch wanted to k!ll Dorothy to get the shoes back but also wanted to torment her first….so like…
Even as a small child who loved the Wizard of Oz, I couldn't shake the opinion that the Wicked Witch of the West had a strong claim to the slippers she was the previous owner's next of kin. I read the novel when it was first published and when Elphaba is determined to take possession of the slippers, Glinda asks why and says, 'They won't make your father love you?'. Heartbreaking
Its also explained in the books and musical that Glinda has to put on this front. Elphaba tells Glinda to not try and clear Elphabas name in fear that the people would turn on Glinda.
Thank you! I saw many but your video is the only one that explained it so effortlessly. I appreciate you getting to the point and not making it so complicated!
Yea, they are seen because they are heading back to Oz because Dorothy just killed Elphaba. Then we go into the whole “no one mourns the wicked” number where at the end Glinda is asked about their friendship and she takes it back to when they were at Shiz. So the movie goes back in time before Elphaba is “dead”. So yes, they are seen in the beginning of the movie, because the movie starts at the end of what we see in Part 1.
To my understanding, I think it's because those shoes belong to Elphaba's sister, Nessa, the Wicked Witch of the East. Dorothy having those shoes would entice Elphaba to take her sister's shoes back from her.
Impressive informative video. Thanks very much for summarizing everything ppl need to know in just 10+minutes. I watched Wizard of Oz 20 years ago on TCM channel and there were many iconic scenes that I still remember to date. When I watched Wicked today, I saw some Easter eggs and there were so many details put into Wicked that people might not realize. From the beginning till the end, there were parts that reminds viewers of the classic from 1939. I wudn't have guessed the red heels were Elphaba sister's shining shoes. I got the Lion but Tin Man and Scarcrow too - wow.
Cool timeline! Thanks for explaining. I know the slippers were silver originally but they changed them for the technicolor film. I wish they had kept them red in the Wicked movie since that’s the association we all have in pop culture.
I'm so confused. I have seen the Wizard of Oz a gazillion times. It was shown every year near Xmas time. I just saw Wicked the movie. I just don't get it😢
This was helpful! I’ve never been able to make it through the wizard of oz but I loved the broadway wicked and the movie. Your video makes me wanna give the original film another chance though!
Thank you so much for this video! I haven't watched anything from this movie or "world" yet but I'm planning to watch "Wicked" sometime soon, so this helps! :)
I want to know on what time line of the story is the movie of "Oz, The Great and Powerful” like where is the China Glass Doll and the Monkey with wings? And Oz? And how it connected to the 3 witches Theodora, Glinda, and Evanora?
@Jacearcher27, The china village is in the Baum books, but all these movies are basically different universes from each other, just inspired by Baum in some way. (Wicked being from Gregory Maguire’s novel.)
Keep seeing comments on how Elphaba is not wicked just misunderstood...Depends on how you define "Wicked". If the sequel stays true to the arc of the storyline as a prequel to The classic Wizard of Oz....they have a great opportunity to develop this character and make a truly fantastic movie IMHO of course. But if this is where they are going you should remember she does become truly wicked ...if you think abusing your considerable power, revenge and murder are wicked, and I still do.........I will withhold judgement till the sequel is complete....guardedly optimistic ......Otherwise why highjack a classic storyline from a long dead author for your own ill-gotten gains...that seems wicked too?
Frank Baum actually wrote many books related to the Wizard of Oz, including one about the Tin Woodman. I read this book and it tells us about his backstory. His real name was Nick Chopper. When the Tin Woodman was human he was falling in love with a girl called Nimme Amee who was living the Wicked Witch of the West, he asked the witch for her hand in marriage and she said he could only marry Nimme Amee if he built the couple a home to live in. The Tin Woodman immediately got to work chopping wood, the witch took advantage of this and bewitched the Tin Woodmans axe. Each time he swung his axe it would slip and chop one of his limbs, each time this happend he went to his friend who was a tin smith and built him a tin limb each time. Eventualy he was a man of tin, but now that he didn’t have a heart he couldn’t love Nimme Amee anymore even though she adored his body of tin. So thats when the Tin Woodman sent off to get a heart, but as he was traveling it began to rain and he rusted in place. Thats when he met Dorothy and if you’ve seen the film or watched the movie you would know what happens next. This is not me correcting Wicked, this is just me telling the original tale of the Tin Woodman for those who wanted to know (I will say the whole thing with Boq becoming the scarecrow, and Fiyero becoming the Tin Woodman did infuriate me just a little bit).
I'd like them to remake Wizard of Oz as a modernised Animation. Something that can allow people to watch the shorter good vs evil story for fun, hear the songs, and contrast it to the more realistic Wicked movie.
They could get that from the 1939 movie, though? It’s an hour shorter than Wicked Pt 1. It would be cool to do a more accurate retelling (maybe a miniseries) of the original book(s), though, but that would be longer.
@ I think a more modern animation would appeal to a very different viewer group than the 1939 movie though. They could try to nudge it to fit more with Wicked by having an actual talking lion too etc.
I found out in the book the good witch of the north isn’t Glinda and she meets Dorothy and tells her to go to the wiz while Dorothy doesn’t meet Glinda which is actually the good witch of the south until the end in the movie they mixed the two while in the wiz and the novel the wizard it was always different
I hope after part 2 of Wicked is done, they will continue to make a complete timeline with the same casts. A proper prequel to the Wizard coming to Oz, the fate of the animals, the great drought and the harvest of the Nome King’s emeralds to build the emerald city. Remake of Dorothy’s tale with the perspective of Wicked. Expand on the death of Nessa and the actual witch of the North that gave the slippers to Dorothy. Leaving room for Glinda and Elphaba to be doing something else… Sequel (Return to Oz) With the Wizard gone, the Nome king invades to retrieve the emeralds. Writers need to make a choice. Either the scarecrow return to oversee Oz shortly before the invasion. Or he stayed with “her” instead but came to help the citizens during the invasion. Rather than turn to an ornament. The scarecrow could be in hiding after evacuating the kingdom. Hiding with her… who I hope Dorothy will finally meet and get to know the truth. Rather than just Dorothy alone, the entire cast could come together to free Oz.
My question is, how can elphaba & fiyero run away together when he’s walking with Dorothy to oz.. literally this bugs me every couple of months & now it’s all I think about
From what I heard in the video, after the "melting", Fiyero the scarecrow finds out Elphaba is not actually dead and they run off together. Something like that.
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That is crazy to think that any random dream i have could have its own world and backstories. I guess thats how you just know everything somehow and whats going on in your dream no matter how random and when you were plopped in there.
There's no connection at all. The original author L. Baum of the Wizard of Oz books had nothing to do with the Wicked book that was made by Gregory MacGuire almost a hundred years later. The broadway show and movie both being adaptations of the Wicked book. I think it's interesting to see different adaptations and interpretations of art based on previous work, but at the end of the day, they shouldn't be seen as continuations of the original books. The author and the original ideas, are different from any later iterations, because they're obvioysly not going to be from the same mind, and it's not possible to know what L. Baum would have actually wanted, so it's a different thing entirely. Baum deserves credit for creating the world that so many love, but really, people often make adaptations because they can't just come up with their own stories. If Gregory MacGuire or the Wicked movie people had made their own world and their own storyline, then they obvioysly could get credit for that, but since they chose to set it to Wizard of O., it means you have to give creative credit to Wizard of Oz, for doing the world-building heavy lifting. That being saif, the Wicked musical is definitely original and pretty cool, although, it is based and adapted from Baum's work. It is interesting to see a world that people want to relive and revisit, but I think it's important to recognize the artists that create these worlds, too. Just as we would give credit to Stephenie Meyer for the Twilight world or Dodie Smith's for the 101 Dalmatians world. Because of this, I don't think the storyline for Wicked has to match the Wizard of Oz book or movie, because it's its own thing. Like an alternate universe that is reflective of modern sensibilities. The artwork we create are a reflection of current times and inspirationsz Wicked the movie is still a very colorful film and for fans of the broadway musical or just pretty eye candy, in general, it's fun to see it come to life.
@ I was off the top of my head guesstimating, but you're right, it was not exactly 100 years. Thanks for the exact number. I'll edit it to, almost a hundred years
Not me growing up who confused Alice in Wonderland and Dorothy i couldn't tell which story was which😂😂😂 now the wicked.... i first thought wicked has something to do with Hocus Pocus... i never enjoyed any of this lol... will just watch the movie as is😂😂😂
Soon as I seen it and there was some wicked merchandise and on the back was a website which linked to port absolutely vile my grand children won't be watching this shit
You missed out mentioning that the only reason Elphaba turns Fiyero into the Scarecrow is because the government literally captured him and was going to beat/kill him. Your explanation makes it sound like she just kinda did it. Great video otherwise though 👌
My biggest questions are…. Why is the witch evil in wizard of Oz but good and thoughtful in wicked?? And why was Glinda not sad that she melted ?? I’m lost
this video was exactly what I needed, thank you! quick question, does the movie "the great and powerful oz" come into the time line at all by chance? just curious.
Something I wonder is how does 'Oz, the great and powerful' come into play? This is also a prequal they made for the wizard of Oz, but not mentioned here.
Trust me when I say that movie is better off being its own AU. Without spoiling much it would be really awkward for Elphaba to get in a love triangle with the wizard in wicked. That and the wicked witch’s name is Theodora in Oz, the great and powerful.
It’s not canon except to it’s own universe (which never ended up being expanded upon). Like all these other things, it takes inspiration from the Oz books and the 1939 movie and does it’s own thing.
The part two will be released on 2025 and it will explain the rest of the story. It don’t wanna spoil but yeah, it’s a roller coaster of emotions. I have read the book and watched the play on West End … if they would follow the play, it’s quite an emotional story. The end of part 2 will connect it to the Wizard of Oz timeline as it explains why she is dubbed “Wicked” then to her feud with Glinda, origins of the tin man-cowardly lion-scare crow trio and then her death. I
Why would Glinda send Dorothy to a man without any powers or ways to get her home? I wish she never heard the Wizard’s truth. That woulda made more sense cuz Glinda is AWFUL to send that poor little girl to a con man who hurt her dear old friend. And to give him access to the silver slippers.
I'm a little confused because at the end of the OG. It was all a dream that Dorothy had and people she knew in real life was in the world of Oz as characters. So I'm just a little confused, did I miss something??
In the original Oz books, it wasn’t a dream. Dorothy eventually moves to Oz in later books. Wicked takes inspiration from the books and 1939 film, but then it does its own thing.
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Wicked is really just one big Fanfic😂
What was going to say!
The best fanfic ever
After reading Manacled….. I never want to experience another fanfic 🤣🤣🤣
100% lol
A whole trilogy of them
Blows my mind that some people have never seen the wizard of Oz! It’s always used as an example in film school for perfect storytelling snd plot flow
Also at least into the 1980’s the Wizard of Oz played every year on TV. Just like The Ten Commandments and the Peanuts specials. To be fair, that was a long time ago and a whole generation would have to be introduced by their parents or on their own since it is no longer event TV.
Wasn't the wizard of Oz the first in color movie?
It's a great film, but I think most people love the world-building that it did. It's very captivating and memorable. The characters are also powerful and unique, to the author Baum's credit. I actually think the world itself is its strongest suit.
That being said, I think it's great to see film schools use it for its storytelling and plot devices, although that might just be the high standards of productions aat the time, and perhaps you could find many normal 1930's films that have just as equally good plots and stories, but without the color and whimsy of The Wizard of Oz. Still, it's a great film, I agree. Maybe it's better that people not jnow abiut it. Personallg, I'd rather see treasures untouched and undisturbed. It keeps them purer.
@@jclyntoledo No, definitely not.
A lot of us are not Americans you know. The world doesn't revolve around you. How egotistic
This is insane from someone who's never seen any form of wicked 😂I am so impressed
Same never seen wicked or wizard of Oz. Now I’m in a rabbit hole 😅
Welcome to the fandom!
Same I'm familiar with both but I haven't actually watched or seen the whole thing. Wicked is truly the fanfiction boss level cause look at that world building it's insane
I love it because now I’m obsessed with Fiyero but sad for his fortune that he was turned into a scarecrow for him to survive. It reminded me a little of _Turnip Head_ in _Howl’s Moving Castle_ when Sophie kissed him without knowing that he was the lost prince of the enemy kingdom where there was a magical war. But yeah, I also can relate to Elphaba. 😅
Facts cause I'm like 🧐😮
"So it's more of a love trapezium" got me CACKLING
Me too😂 thought I was the only one
😂😂😂😂
Ik its the best way to describe it
😂 Yeah never heard that before!
I once read a comment that says this
Wicked is a movie adaptation of a book, which was inspired by a movie, which was an adaptation of a book
Wicked is a movie, which was adapted from a Broadway Show, which was inspired by a book, which was inspired by a movie, which was inspired by a book.
The first book of many. I would love to see some of the other books turned into musicals or movies. Princess Ozma/Tip's storyline would be so cool to see.
The book "The Wizard of Oz" was written in 1900, the movie was released in in 1939 which is based off the book. The book "Wicked" was written by Gregory Maguire in 1995 and is a prequel of the the original book AND 1939 movie. The broadway show "Wicked" opened in 2003 and is loosely based on the 1995 Maguire book. The "Wicked" 2024 movie is based on the 2003 broadway musical which was based on the 1995 book , which was based on the 1900 book and 1939 movie. So overall everything is loosely tied together. Hope this makes sense :)
Well yeah Wicked is mostly what happened before the wizard of Oz but then ends in the present day wizard of Oz. It's kinda behind the scenes as it doesn't really show Dorothy or Glinda but focuses on Alphaba's "villain" arc, well her portrayed villain arc from her point of view where she isn't the villain at all
Nope it’s fan fiction
@@a.cdiamonds8370 tbh Im pretty sure Maguire never read the wizard of Oz and thats why it doesnt have any sense with the story but a little with the movie
Yeah, I'm gonna say NO. His 4 books are so gross with a lot of what he writes in his so-called fanfic books that literally pervert the original 14 books in the Wizard of Oz series by L Frank Baum.
@@stephanie_smithDid you want to elaborate on that at all?
This is the best explanation video. So many other videos were like an hour long and not even close to making the connections like this video does.
Wow tysm🥹
Thissss!!! I saw so many and they were long and so complicated and didn’t get to the point like this one does!
For someone who never saw Wicked, this was PERFECT! Thank you so much! 🙏🏽💚
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THE WITCH WAS NEVER DEADDDD
No
And in the end of the 4th book, Glinda is freed from prison by a mysterious figure who is described as having green skin and she says to them "you wicked old thing what took you so long."
yes remember the two stories are related but its not a true prequel.
When Elphaba sang if you care to find me look to the western sky her teeth were glowing white, and I cracked up so hard that everyone in the theater looked at me weirdly 😂
The Wicked movie is so emotional 😭
So is the show on Broadway 😊. I'm glad they made a movie though so other ppl can see and appreciate it
I read a book in 2014 called "Dorothy Must Die" about Dorothy becoming an evil dictator. That's the great thing about the land of Oz, it is so whimsical and magical and has so many possibilities that it makes such a good setting.
I read that whole story. It was sooooo good.
What's bizarre about all of this is that "Oz" is supposed to be Dorothy Gale's story. She's supposed to be the one who kills the wicked witches and saves the land from slavery and terror. But if you follow the logic of WICKED, Dorothy has no reason to exist. She didn't succeed in killing the Witch of the West - and not only that, she never would have had to in the first place, given that Elphaba was good all along. So, in retrospect, why was Dorothy the heroine of the original story?
She was more like a bystander or even a pawn in Wicked, being used by others for their own personal agenda (The tin man and lion, the munchkins, the wizard) without realizing it because she's just a lost kid trying to survive
@@keylimepiee But there's more! If Glinda knew that ugliness wasn't a sign of badness, why did she tell Dorothy that?
@@SeasideDetective2To further manipulate her so that she would be easier to control. Dorothy spent the entire film fearing the "wicked" witch. Had Glinda not put into her head that the Western Witch was "bad", Dorothy might have actually spoken to her and had a conversation instead of blindly fearing her.
@@Rose_Bride idk about blindly fearing her. The Western Witch wanted to k!ll Dorothy to get the shoes back but also wanted to torment her first….so like…
@@pennisss9433 I mean, if I was under the assumption that someone murdered my sister and then stole her shoes, I would probably be livid as well
This is elite level storytelling. Thank you!
Even as a small child who loved the Wizard of Oz, I couldn't shake the opinion that the Wicked Witch of the West had a strong claim to the slippers she was the previous owner's next of kin. I read the novel when it was first published and when Elphaba is determined to take possession of the slippers, Glinda asks why and says, 'They won't make your father love you?'. Heartbreaking
It's fan fic. IT has nothing to do with L. Frank Baums work.
In Wizard of Oz, Glinda looks quite happy that Elphaba is dead. Their friendship must have gone south really quick
in wicked, glinda actually looked a bit bothered and like she wanted the whole “witch is dead” celebration to be over with
Its also explained in the books and musical that Glinda has to put on this front. Elphaba tells Glinda to not try and clear Elphabas name in fear that the people would turn on Glinda.
She's not actually dead
@@phillipisthebest26and she's holding her tears while saying goodness know when she burns it doesn't wanted to answer any questions
Thank you! I saw many but your video is the only one that explained it so effortlessly. I appreciate you getting to the point and not making it so complicated!
So we just gonna ignore the fact that Dorothy and the others in the wizard of oz was shown at the start of the movie?
Yessss great point! Tinman, scarecrow and lion are workers in the family farm.
They were the workers when she came back from Oz it was basically a dream@@steel148
Yea, they are seen because they are heading back to Oz because Dorothy just killed Elphaba. Then we go into the whole “no one mourns the wicked” number where at the end Glinda is asked about their friendship and she takes it back to when they were at Shiz. So the movie goes back in time before Elphaba is “dead”. So yes, they are seen in the beginning of the movie, because the movie starts at the end of what we see in Part 1.
Because Oz is a dream in the 1939 movie (but real in the book it’s based upon).
so elphaba is not wicked at all, just… unfortunate.
but why glinda gives shoes to dorothy in first place?
Because glinda is a jerk
To my understanding, I think it's because those shoes belong to Elphaba's sister, Nessa, the Wicked Witch of the East. Dorothy having those shoes would entice Elphaba to take her sister's shoes back from her.
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No she's not wicked never was wicked just misunderstood you should read the books and also the book son of a witch when alphaba has a son
Wicked was one of the best musical films of the 21st century!
I agree on the "horror film for children" take on Return to Oz. That movie scared the crap out of me as a kid.
This is great. I haven't seen Wicked yet so had no idea who the Wicked Witch of the East was since Dorothy smashed her and Glenda snatched her shoes.
I forgot nessarose was the Wicked Witch of the east! AND SHE DIED! 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Impressive informative video. Thanks very much for summarizing everything ppl need to know in just 10+minutes. I watched Wizard of Oz 20 years ago on TCM channel and there were many iconic scenes that I still remember to date.
When I watched Wicked today, I saw some Easter eggs and there were so many details put into Wicked that people might not realize. From the beginning till the end, there were parts that reminds viewers of the classic from 1939.
I wudn't have guessed the red heels were Elphaba sister's shining shoes. I got the Lion but Tin Man and Scarcrow too - wow.
Cool timeline! Thanks for explaining. I know the slippers were silver originally but they changed them for the technicolor film. I wish they had kept them red in the Wicked movie since that’s the association we all have in pop culture.
I think they are copyrighted that’s why they did silver
I'm still wondering how Dorothy are going to met the Coward Lion, Scarecrow (Fiyero) and Tin Man (Boq) in her/their way to kill Elphaba 😳
For this you have to rewatch the 1939 wizard of oz movie or they would have to make a reboot of the wizard of oz 😂
That's told in the original movie. I'm wondering more about how they got to where she found them.
I'm so confused. I have seen the Wizard of Oz a gazillion times. It was shown every year near Xmas time. I just saw Wicked the movie. I just don't get it😢
@@StaciSchuck you don’t get which part? How they became what they are in the wizard of oz or how Dorothy met them?
@@StaciSchuck Wicked has nothing to do with the Wizard of Oz.
This had to have taken a long time to put all this together the visual fx and all. Well done and thank you!!!!!!
This was helpful! I’ve never been able to make it through the wizard of oz but I loved the broadway wicked and the movie. Your video makes me wanna give the original film another chance though!
Excellent explanation… but I had to watch it several times to fully comprehend..
Thank you for this timeline. I haven't watched any of the 2 movies yet so this is helpful guide. 😊
This makes so much more sense thank you 😅
Thank you so much for this video! I haven't watched anything from this movie or "world" yet but I'm planning to watch "Wicked" sometime soon, so this helps! :)
I want to know on what time line of the story is the movie of "Oz, The Great and Powerful” like where is the China Glass Doll and the Monkey with wings? And Oz?
And how it connected to the 3 witches Theodora, Glinda, and Evanora?
right, like is this all happening in the same universe?
@@leafletanonI think they are different universes, elfaba isn't in Oz great and powerful I think
@Jacearcher27, The china village is in the Baum books, but all these movies are basically different universes from each other, just inspired by Baum in some way. (Wicked being from Gregory Maguire’s novel.)
Oh no I just spoiled myself for Wicked part 2 😂
Keep seeing comments on how Elphaba is not wicked just misunderstood...Depends on how you define "Wicked". If the sequel stays true to the arc of the storyline as a prequel to The classic Wizard of Oz....they have a great opportunity to develop this character and make a truly fantastic movie IMHO of course. But if this is where they are going you should remember she does become truly wicked ...if you think abusing your considerable power, revenge and murder are wicked, and I still do.........I will withhold judgement till the sequel is complete....guardedly optimistic ......Otherwise why highjack a classic storyline from a long dead author for your own ill-gotten gains...that seems wicked too?
part one was so interesting can't wait for part 2🙂🙂🙂🙂😊
Without the Wizard of Oz, Wicked would not exist.
I finally understand the story. Thank you
I was searchingggg for a video like this a few days ago, the title verbatim is in my search history 😭 thank you so much
Wicked is fan fiction its not canon to Baums books. Or the 1930s movie adaptations. A fan made his own book ok adaptations.
Frank Baum actually wrote many books related to the Wizard of Oz, including one about the Tin Woodman. I read this book and it tells us about his backstory. His real name was Nick Chopper. When the Tin Woodman was human he was falling in love with a girl called Nimme Amee who was living the Wicked Witch of the West, he asked the witch for her hand in marriage and she said he could only marry Nimme Amee if he built the couple a home to live in. The Tin Woodman immediately got to work chopping wood, the witch took advantage of this and bewitched the Tin Woodmans axe. Each time he swung his axe it would slip and chop one of his limbs, each time this happend he went to his friend who was a tin smith and built him a tin limb each time. Eventualy he was a man of tin, but now that he didn’t have a heart he couldn’t love Nimme Amee anymore even though she adored his body of tin. So thats when the Tin Woodman sent off to get a heart, but as he was traveling it began to rain and he rusted in place. Thats when he met Dorothy and if you’ve seen the film or watched the movie you would know what happens next. This is not me correcting Wicked, this is just me telling the original tale of the Tin Woodman for those who wanted to know (I will say the whole thing with Boq becoming the scarecrow, and Fiyero becoming the Tin Woodman did infuriate me just a little bit).
Yes you need to see Wizard of Oz with wicked to get the full story.
Elphaba for an oscar over glinda
I was born in 1994 in eastern Europe and used to watch Wizard of Oz on repeat. I had no idea the movie is this old :-o
Nice. Also liked the other 2013 movie Oz the Great and Powerful. Return to Oz is my favorite out of all of them.
I watched Wicked today. I was intirgue how it came up the story the Wizard of Oz and Return of Oz i watch during my childhood 😊❤
The "Wizard of OZ" was ALL just a dream (to Dorothy)!!!
I'd like them to remake Wizard of Oz as a modernised Animation. Something that can allow people to watch the shorter good vs evil story for fun, hear the songs, and contrast it to the more realistic Wicked movie.
They could get that from the 1939 movie, though? It’s an hour shorter than Wicked Pt 1. It would be cool to do a more accurate retelling (maybe a miniseries) of the original book(s), though, but that would be longer.
@ I think a more modern animation would appeal to a very different viewer group than the 1939 movie though. They could try to nudge it to fit more with Wicked by having an actual talking lion too etc.
@@gregorya72 The more, the merrier.
Great video, im still lost tho lol
Wicked is the best I love you💖 wicked
WE NEED WICKED TO BE A TRILOGY
I found out in the book the good witch of the north isn’t Glinda and she meets Dorothy and tells her to go to the wiz while Dorothy doesn’t meet Glinda which is actually the good witch of the south until the end in the movie they mixed the two while in the wiz and the novel the wizard it was always different
I hope after part 2 of Wicked is done, they will continue to make a complete timeline with the same casts.
A proper prequel to the Wizard coming to Oz, the fate of the animals, the great drought and the harvest of the Nome King’s emeralds to build the emerald city.
Remake of Dorothy’s tale with the perspective of Wicked. Expand on the death of Nessa and the actual witch of the North that gave the slippers to Dorothy.
Leaving room for Glinda and Elphaba to be doing something else…
Sequel (Return to Oz)
With the Wizard gone, the Nome king invades to retrieve the emeralds.
Writers need to make a choice. Either the scarecrow return to oversee Oz shortly before the invasion.
Or he stayed with “her” instead but came to help the citizens during the invasion.
Rather than turn to an ornament. The scarecrow could be in hiding after evacuating the kingdom.
Hiding with her… who I hope Dorothy will finally meet and get to know the truth.
Rather than just Dorothy alone, the entire cast could come together to free Oz.
My question is, how can elphaba & fiyero run away together when he’s walking with Dorothy to oz.. literally this bugs me every couple of months & now it’s all I think about
From what I heard in the video, after the "melting", Fiyero the scarecrow finds out Elphaba is not actually dead and they run off together. Something like that.
They are not the same universe wicked is one the wizard of oz is other
Yes, different universes. Fiyero isn’t even the Scarecrow in the Wicked novel either.
Woah🥹❤️ I’m not the same person after watching wicked
Why not?
@@myfavritsbecause before they didn’t watch wicked but then they did
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Please go see Wicked in the theaters. IMAX if possible. Oh my OZZZZZZ it’s unbelievable. 👏👏👏
I've heard of Wizard of Oz but I've never seen it, I love the Wicked movie, I'll read the book too
I still don’t understand how elphaba being the wizards daughter being the reason she has powers??
That is crazy to think that any random dream i have could have its own world and backstories. I guess thats how you just know everything somehow and whats going on in your dream no matter how random and when you were plopped in there.
I watched Wicked in the theatre in 2018 I can’t remember the storyline I saw wicked on the 22st November it was fantastic movie.
THE WIZARD IS ELPHAEBAS DADDDD
very interesting
There's no connection at all. The original author L. Baum of the Wizard of Oz books had nothing to do with the Wicked book that was made by Gregory MacGuire almost a hundred years later. The broadway show and movie both being adaptations of the Wicked book.
I think it's interesting to see different adaptations and interpretations of art based on previous work, but at the end of the day, they shouldn't be seen as continuations of the original books. The author and the original ideas, are different from any later iterations, because they're obvioysly not going to be from the same mind, and it's not possible to know what L. Baum would have actually wanted, so it's a different thing entirely.
Baum deserves credit for creating the world that so many love, but really, people often make adaptations because they can't just come up with their own stories. If Gregory MacGuire or the Wicked movie people had made their own world and their own storyline, then they obvioysly could get credit for that, but since they chose to set it to Wizard of O., it means you have to give creative credit to Wizard of Oz, for doing the world-building heavy lifting.
That being saif, the Wicked musical is definitely original and pretty cool, although, it is based and adapted from Baum's work.
It is interesting to see a world that people want to relive and revisit, but I think it's important to recognize the artists that create these worlds, too. Just as we would give credit to Stephenie Meyer for the Twilight world or Dodie Smith's for the 101 Dalmatians world.
Because of this, I don't think the storyline for Wicked has to match the Wizard of Oz book or movie, because it's its own thing. Like an alternate universe that is reflective of modern sensibilities. The artwork we create are a reflection of current times and inspirationsz
Wicked the movie is still a very colorful film and for fans of the broadway musical or just pretty eye candy, in general, it's fun to see it come to life.
90 years later. Baum's book is from 1900 and wicked is 1995.
@ I was off the top of my head guesstimating, but you're right, it was not exactly 100 years. Thanks for the exact number. I'll edit it to, almost a hundred years
Wouldn’t they have gotten their magic from theirs mother?? Since nessarose also has magic
Very well said!!!!
Not me growing up who confused Alice in Wonderland and Dorothy i couldn't tell which story was which😂😂😂 now the wicked.... i first thought wicked has something to do with Hocus Pocus... i never enjoyed any of this lol... will just watch the movie as is😂😂😂
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As long as it doesn't ended like snow white drama, I'm open❤
Just saw this last night. Absolutely blown away by how well it was done. I did not expected much so it was a positive disappointment.
What was your favourite scene🥰
@@boppingyt the silent dancing scene was very well done and emotional. After that, the last sequence with Defying Gravity, it was absolutely epic.
Ok, NOW I might go see WICKED.
Anyone else remember the Sean Connery movie Zardoz?
I love seeing things from the wicked witches perspective I always felt like she was drove to be evil because of how she was treated
Is the rest of the story in the Broadway musical? I thought the musical ended where the movie ended and they had to write part two.
The movie is only Act 1 and there will be a second one I believe currently scheduled to be released end of next year
@@HermioneCortez November 21 2025!
Wizard of Oz = MK Ultra Program!!!
Further explain
Soon as I seen it and there was some wicked merchandise and on the back was a website which linked to port absolutely vile my grand children won't be watching this shit
Please tell more, it’s interesting
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Subliminal Messages!!!
Those toys were recalled due to the typo. If you have them, they’d probably be collector’s items now, though.
It's not connected. Not officially, anyway. Wicked is essentially successful fan fiction
You missed out mentioning that the only reason Elphaba turns Fiyero into the Scarecrow is because the government literally captured him and was going to beat/kill him. Your explanation makes it sound like she just kinda did it. Great video otherwise though 👌
My biggest questions are…. Why is the witch evil in wizard of Oz but good and thoughtful in wicked?? And why was Glinda not sad that she melted ?? I’m lost
I am convinced that I won't be watching Wicked.
Great video. Can you please see what the connection is to Oz The Great & Powerful?
this video was exactly what I needed, thank you! quick question, does the movie "the great and powerful oz" come into the time line at all by chance? just curious.
Return to Oz was disturbing
Return to Oz traumatised me as a kid
The only 3 iconic queens 👑 who wore magical shoes where Dorothy nessarose and Cinderella
Something I wonder is how does 'Oz, the great and powerful' come into play? This is also a prequal they made for the wizard of Oz, but not mentioned here.
Trust me when I say that movie is better off being its own AU. Without spoiling much it would be really awkward for Elphaba to get in a love triangle with the wizard in wicked. That and the wicked witch’s name is Theodora in Oz, the great and powerful.
how is it that some people have never watched The Wizard of Oz? That's my childhood and I'm 07 line
I’m sorry, I’m just now hearing that there’s some people who haven’t ever seen the WIZARD OF OZ?????!!!!! Who tf raised you?😭
Sam Ramey’s Oz the great and powerful should be mentioned too it was confirmed to be canon in the timeline years back 😮
That movie was so bad
It’s not canon except to it’s own universe (which never ended up being expanded upon). Like all these other things, it takes inspiration from the Oz books and the 1939 movie and does it’s own thing.
It's not end of story. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz came out in 1900 a 124 years ago. Wicked is just fanfic.
It’s not connected. Wicked is fan fiction.
Return to Oz is my favorite!!!
I'm so confused so like they were best friends and then enemies so glinda burns elphaba
And elphaba survived?
The part two will be released on 2025 and it will explain the rest of the story. It don’t wanna spoil but yeah, it’s a roller coaster of emotions. I have read the book and watched the play on West End … if they would follow the play, it’s quite an emotional story. The end of part 2 will connect it to the Wizard of Oz timeline as it explains why she is dubbed “Wicked” then to her feud with Glinda, origins of the tin man-cowardly lion-scare crow trio and then her death. I
I find it sad that the cowardly lion doesn’t even know that the wicked witch actually saved him.
Wicked is just a re-imagine of the original WOO. You, yes you reading this can make a better version than that of Wicked.
How does wiz the great and powerful connect?
Why would Glinda send Dorothy to a man without any powers or ways to get her home? I wish she never heard the Wizard’s truth. That woulda made more sense cuz Glinda is AWFUL to send that poor little girl to a con man who hurt her dear old friend. And to give him access to the silver slippers.
Wicked is fan fiction. Wrote by fan of Wizard of Oz.
But even in the Disney prequel Oz the Great and Powerful you learn that the Wizard wasn't really a Wizard
I'm a little confused because at the end of the OG. It was all a dream that Dorothy had and people she knew in real life was in the world of Oz as characters. So I'm just a little confused, did I miss something??
You have to consider Oz like a parallel reality or a pocket universe within our universe
@nataliajimenez1870 oh ok, I thought it would be something like that, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. But thank you for answering.
In the original Oz books, it wasn’t a dream. Dorothy eventually moves to Oz in later books. Wicked takes inspiration from the books and 1939 film, but then it does its own thing.
Okay let's not forget about the great and powerful OZ
I'm meeting an actor from wicked😍