Alan Wats, Krishnamurti and the Aquarian initiation
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- Question: Dear Kim, there are many gurus out there on the internet and normally I feel I can read their vibration quite accurately. But there are two that I haven't figured out after all these years. One is Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895-1986), the other one is Alan Watts (1915-1973). Watts' works on taoism and zen buddhism introduced me to the spiritual path some 30 years ago and Krishnamurti`s works have been a constant reference point ever since. And yet, I feel there's something amiss with these two authors/teachings. Can you shed some light on it?
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I want to mention that Krishnamurti was surely aware of limitations of human mind. He was pointing out on that topic many times mentioning of conditioned mind as a sample of it's limitation.
I would like to add also that what we call physical mind is not capable to figure out how everything is working because of it's limitations
Dear Kim, thank you for answering my question. This has really clarified the matter for me. The mental approach to the spiritual path has indeed appealed to me in the beginning and has brought me in, but over time I sensed that there is so much more to the path... What a great example for the bait and switch strategy :)
Kim just giving revolutionary teaching here about aquarian time initiations. My mind just shifted. I don't know why this was blurred to me before but I got new level of clarity. Like being able to breathe more pure air!
Whatever has been guiding me throughout my some 70 years it has seen fit to introduce me to an enormous amount of experiences with the likes of Krishnamurti, Kabbalah, Edgar Cayce. Zen Buddhism Tesla,and many more. As I see it the experiences formatted me to be able to understand the importance of the Ascended Masters. Without my Catholic religion and the others mentioned I would never have been able to relate . Slowly but surely I began to piece together the patterns that finally led me to the Ascension process. One such experience was when I was very young, while in church for the Feast of the Ascension, the biblical account of the Ascension was that Jesus Ascended and the White Brotherhood looked down on the Apostles and essentially told them to go and preach to all the nations. My curiosity about who those Brotherhood members were stuck with me till I found them.
Makes so much sense! Thank you for sharing this insight!
I always appreciated Alan Watts and Krishnamurti, but have felt similarly their resonance with a mental approach. I did appreciated that their talks could be helpfully challenging, but ultimately they never captured my heart :). Really enjoyed this talk. Thank you.
I'm so glad I found your channel, or rather, UA-cam algorithm presented me your channel, OR, my higher self pushed your channel to me ;) Whatever it is, THANK YOU.
Thank you Kim for explaining this in words people can understand - great job!
It is all about connecting to something outside of our human minds for a valid point of reference through our intuition.
This reminds me of how the Buddha described the "opening of the lotus blossom" ... 💜
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
My problem with Krishnamurti is that what he said was true. But it’s only applicable if one is already high level of consciousness. His „non methods methods” like looking at a problem so completely that it dissolves and never comes back was true for him, but most people don’t have that much light of awareness to melt the issues like that.
He was against methods, paths. But an average person needs some kind of ladder before they can get high enough
Self validation depending on if its what you want to hear…love it 😅
Mr. Kim. What about David Icke.?I want to hear your opinion.
I don't know enough about him to have an opinion.
Jiddu Krishnamurti was Picked As A Child Prodigy deva To Be Part Of The Theosophical Society in The 1920s but Withdrew yes
Krishnamuti was in his young years sponsored by ascended masters and groomed to be overshadowed by lord Maitreya but later he got trapped into his mental illusions and clang to his mental blocks which led to his refusal of the mission, ascended masters whithrew and left him to workout his mental philosophies.
There never were ascended masters . They only existed in the imagination of the believers.
@@heinmolenaar6750 we could say the same about God, angels, life after death...all in the imagination right?
All gods and their names are orginated from human's imagination. And if you believe in angels with wings...they are orginated from human's imagination too. Life after death is real. Thousands of people worldwide have memories from a previous life. And NDE proves their is life after dead. But the gods of religions are man made. @@medtn
krishnamurti has never been trapped in mental illusions and mental blocks. On the contrary. He rejected the ascended masters because he was free of illusions.
@@heinmolenaar6750 the God you believe in could also be only in your imagination. People had first hand experience with Ascended masters with tangible proofs like Blavatsky photograph which was analyzed and came out legit, or the Mahatma letters where the ink and the paper is nowhere available or possible to print at that time.
8:00 "I came to the realization that there are things we can't figure out with the analytical linear mind"
Using reason to claim the limits of reason: The statement is itself an analytical claim about the alleged limitations of analytical reasoning. It is employing linear logic and analysis to assert that linear logic and analysis has boundaries, which is a paradoxical move.
Defining a realm beyond definition: By stating there are "things" that cannot be figured out analytically, it is already defining and conceptualizing a domain that it claims is indefinable or unfathomable through reason.
Self-refuting statement: If the statement is true, and there really are realms beyond the grasp of the analytical mind, then how can we justifiably make that claim through analysis in the first place? The statement undermines itself.
You can know through direct intuitive experience.
@@kimmichaels-po4wz while intuitive experience can provide useful sparks of insight, elevating it to be a freestanding and supreme avenue to "knowledge" is incoherent and self-contradictory. Intuition is a start, but must be validated and refined through reasoning, evidence, and intersubjective verification to become reliable knowledge. The statement makes an overreach that cannot be self-justifying under scrutiny.
You have clearly demonstrated that using mind is dead end for at the end of your own statement your mental logic self-distracted 🤣 Snake eats it own tale.
krishnamurti wrote freedom from the known, suggests he clearly undestood mind's limitation. Thoughts?
I was talking about a specific limitation, and if he had understood that one, why would he reject the ascended masters?
@@kimmichaels-po4wz An ascended Master's authority is still an authority. He had no time for gurus at all. He perhaps wanted to instil in human beings the importance of self investigation. Bhagavan encouraged to reside in the self all objects are of the mind including the thought of an ascended master. This fixation on something no matter how sacred is still an object, therefore true peace can only be when removing obstacles, as we are already that. Maia has covered our true nature. Therefore by scrutinising self and residing in the self is the most direct and efficacious method. Not to say there is no place for mantras and worship. Just bear in mind that sat chit ananda is simply being with no egoic adjuncts
So I tuned in to the mental realms and I received this idea:
"All forms of tyranny imaginable in this universe is simply a projection of the infinite void(God) onto the finite and the limiting. The forms and shapes and any energy within the universe. The finite then becomes the container, the limiting barrier, the controller. Rather than the other way around, where the infinite void rightfully contains and controls all finite forms and energies."
Do you have any thoughts on Mary Jesus Germain talks? How was the experience of hearing dictation over all?
@@JessicaChristlight I haven't watch them all yet. But I do know St. Germain gives me the vibes of being an utter genius 👌. Someone I don't mind assisting, to bring about the Golden Age.
@@zanaros2606 🤭 Utter genius 😂
Perhaps this is true😄
About your mental thought you shared - what's your spidy senses tell you about it?
@@JessicaChristlight my Spidey senses tell me it's probably from my own subconscious, lol.
What about your senses? Which plane do you think this idea came from?
@@zanaros2606 On a glance it looks like you channeled it 🤭
You are correct its from mental realm. If you are not to be too attached to the words spoken then you would say it has some validity but if you go beyond words and especially see the attitude anchored then you see the issue with this statement and how it portraits God, Gods creation for creating limited world of form - as if its some kind of a problem, limitation that you need to rebel against. That Creator seeks to control or subjugate this world for some twisted reason when Creator is the one who allowed UNCHEKED roam of Free Will.
If Creator wouldn't extend itself as Alpha and Omega polarity then no individuality or form would be possible, its not a restriction its simply one way of creating world of form where you can create individual Beings that can exercise individual free will and individual expression.
Why the need to portrait The Infinite creating a finite world as a problem or restriction to creative indevoure?
In my honest heartful view this idea you received is just Meh 🤭 You had far more better things to say on your own. 🤗
Further Spidey thoughts & senses? 🙂
The problem with these indian teachers like sadghuru and deepak chopra, they give you the first step to the kingdom which is to dis-identify from the body, the emotions,and the mind and realize that you are beyond these lower bodies and you are pure consciousness (conscious you) but it ends there. How this consciousness came about and where it is going ? They can't answer that. So even though they can help people who are still strongly identified with their lower bodies to rise to next level, the student eventually should outgrow these teachers and move on to next level and next teacher to have his fundamental questions answered.
Sadguru even indirectly said he agree with depopulation agenda.
@@jamikornk7859 exactly. and he denies all religions even Jesus or angels or God's existence or judgement, ekhart Tolle and Mahirishi also. Like I said they are useful only to beginners in the path who can learn to calm the mental activity through meditation and realize their identity extends outside the physical, emotional, and mental bodies and break free from the grip of few subconscious selves who exist in those lower planes. I also followed them for few years on the path but then when I could no longer advance and asked for guidance the ascended masters teachings showed up and help me transcend to next level.
So who are the next level teachers, would you mind a few examples?
@@dibelgelo when the student is ready the teacher appears. Just put out the intention to evolve spiritually. For me I was led to ascended masters teachings. Since you are here listening to Kim you have already discovered the next level. Some examples of teachings you can study are Blavatsky, Elizabeth Clare, Guy Ballard, Alice Bailey, and Kim Michaels
my biggest problem with indian spiritual teachers is that I often can't see them at night
While I understand some of your perspectives, your arguments ultimately rely more on assertion than logic or evidence. Rather than leading to reasoned conclusions, your viewpoints require an act of belief akin to religious faith. Your claims would be more persuasive if supported by verifiable facts and sound reasoning.
Intuition is beyond both faith and reasoning.
@@kimmichaels-po4wz "Intuition is beyond both faith and reasoning" suffers from the same kind of contradictory and self-refuting problem.
By making a definitive claim about the nature and position of intuition in relation to faith and reasoning, the statement is itself employing reasoning and analysis. It's using the tools of logic and rationality to try to place intuition outside the bounds of those very tools.
@@obamabinbiden9762 You are using mind to resolve something beyond mind - this is called a fail. It was clear answer given to you that intuition is the way. There is truth in the words given to you. If truth is not your concern - what have you lost here my beloved heart? You cant mind your way to heaven nor rise in consciousness by playing mental games.
Argument is just that - an argument - a mental fluff. Truth is not a matter of mental fluff.
So decide - do you want mental gymnastics day and night with a fluff of personal opinion or do you what follow Christ truth? Choose. If you want to experience truth GET BEYOND words and mental fluff and experience truth behind the words and mental ideas. or not, the choice is yours.
@@JessicaChristlight
The mind is used as a mirror , as a baby we had no knowledge of ourselves until someone told you who you are , so that which exist before the name is now wrongly identified as a limited body mind, so If it’s possible to create such a illusive mind it means the creator must be more subtler than that which it created and even tho it appears to be real it is also unreal simultaneously. And that mind that we create along our life journey always feels a sense of lack which we can also say it’s the grace that is placed in us to find ourselves because only then we can feel complete. When you’re hungry you feel a sense of lack so u eat then you’re complete, that lack is gone temporarily only because that’s the mechanism of the flesh, but when you realize who you are you’re no longer caught in the worlds game. This cannot be taught hence why Alan and Krishna had to be mental about it by explaining that the analyzer is the analyzed but to see that one must be free to look.