Was Dorian Yates At His Best 3 Weeks *BEFORE* The 1993 Olympia?
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- This is a picture comparison between Dorian Yates and himself. Just 3 weeks before the 1993 Mr.Olympia Dorian did a photo shoot that shocked the bodybuilding world. In my opinion Dorian had more than enough conditioning and much more size in the version so lets compare it with the actual event in 93.
#Dorian #Dorian Yates
I remember thinking to myself as a young kid in ‘93, when I saw the photo shoot pics in Flex magazine.. “This is the most ultimate buffness in the entire universe” Now 27 years later, looking at the pics in retrospect here on Marx Max Muscle, I’m thinking the exact same thing..
His photos 3 weeks out would have won as long as he was healthy.
That's FUNNY but True !!!Very well said
Yep, one of the best in History black & white 93
He over depleted and went flat. 3 weeks out was the optimal blend
Dorian didn't have Flex's lines, but he did have a futuristic, cyborg-like look that gave him an ice-cold and intimidating charisma and that's why he's my favorite bodybuilder.
I wish Dorian would have stepped atleast once with this 3 week out physique , it would have rocked the BB world forever .
Something to take into account black and white photo's are going to create shadow which will accentuate the muscles. Notice the color pics that are darker show more definition, seperation etc. If hiw Olympia pics were shot in black and white it would be mind blowing.
Some Olympia pics here are black and white
yes for sure black and white makes a difference partly due to more contrast of light, though it's clear here he was smaller and less cut/defined for the contest than in the B&W shots. His weight was less as well, though looking at him is enough to tell
@@jackhannon4322 i know, wasnt worth the size he gave up tho, he was already cut enough
There’s a video of this shoot on UA-cam. He looks insane there too.
@@myflesh10 it was worth it because the next best guy (flex) was 218 pounds but with godlike shape and aesthetics which is why he was 2nd to begin with. You really have to put it in the context of the early 90s, there weren't many 240-250+ competitors other than Yates and Paul Dillet at the time. Only during 1996-1997 did some others like Nasser and Fux blow up and started appearing. Why would Yates show up at 270 pounds and not in the best condition if he could show up at 257 pounds absolutely shredded out of his mind and put an end to any controversy?
Agreed. 3wks out his body looks so much better. Best back (top to bottom) ever seen on any bodybuilder to grace the stage.
His chest, shoulders, arms, traps and legs suffer so badly after dieting. As you say, his most muscular suffers really badly as a result. Thanks for this one!
its actually 6 weeks out but i like this version more then the olympia. Just crazy how his condition was 6 weaks out.
Still weak biceps
In an interview Dorian did say he was in better shape and was simply 'too big'. He said that he cut down as he didn't need that much weight to win in 1993.
Yes I read that as well, but he looked BETTER in the black and whites, more defined. I simply dont get why he would lose hard earned higher defined muscle. Plus the extra size protects the joints.
I think in his mind it was more of a discipline as a sport then we can comprehend. I always think that unless we have whole body shots we lose judging perspective
@@myflesh10 it's like Goku refuse to used his super form and stick with his super Saiyan 1 form
@@gokublack3107 not familiar with the reference but yeah Dorian downgraded in my eyes and it also made him more prone to injury in my opinion. Most I've encountered like the black and white photos of Dorian over any contest photos
@@myflesh10 doing cell saga , Goku have reach super form and show Gohan...but he refuse to used it against cell , because the form is too big and slow....that if u ever watch dragon ball z
He was definitely smaller on stage in '93 but his conditioning was like Frank Zane. Nobody has ever been this size with unbelievable conditioning. Ever.
I'm glad that Dorian Yates has been getting some good reviews 👍💪👍 I was sick ov people saying that he was no good,flex was better, he shouldn't have won 97 Mr o cos ov his bicep ,to all the haters he killed the rest even with the torn bicep,, and I'm glad you are showing people how good he really was 💪💪💪
I thought those photos were from a photo shoot so it had good lighting and Dorian was post pump so it made everything look better, his arms never looked that good competition day
They Pump up before stage as well and für lightning wasnt Bad back then tbh
You mean Great lighting. You can see they changed lighting angles for each photo, did some exposure timing tricks, and probably took a 100+ photos. The photographer is a total pro. Comparing these photos to one off competition photos isn't a fair comparison.
No your right, but when you want to be as conditioned as Dorian did you will always lose size unfortunately you can't have both same said for Ronnie,
they didn't because he was flat on stage.
He had to sacrifice something to achieve that crazy hardness, graininess and dryness. Arms (bicep peaks especially) were one of those things. Chest also.
Dorian looks so good in this photo shoot if he had of went to the Mr Olympia looking like this people would of been shocked even though he looked good anyway but this is on another level
Dorian has always said he was ready 2-3 weeks out. He said he knew he was going to lose muscle but he wanted to be supper peeled
I remember him saying that back then, they had lower body fat/less water than they do today, and it was less about being massive. Whereas today size is so important. I think he said that, today, guys look like they are about 4 weeks out when they're on stage.
@@ccali327 but bodybuilders today have more shredded glutes compared to dorian
@@canevas1017 no dorian had super shredded glutes while not even trying to showcase them
no they don't, 90s bb-ers started and ended their poses with the upper body, nowadays bb-ers are sitting into the legs for 5 sec before even spreading their lats (back lat) or beginning to pose their back/biceps in the back double.
There is an obvious difference between a non shredded glute and a non flexed glute. Yates didn't contract his glutes at all times during posing, but when he did you could see that he was in crazy condition. Besides, nobody gets so shredded and dry literally everywhere other than the glutes. Look at his hamstrings and lower back...does it make sense for you that Yates had arguably the most conditioned lower back (christmas tree) but his glutes weren't all that conditioned? come on now.@@canevas1017
AMAZING!!! I was searching for these pics because of his interview with D James and this video really puts it in perspective. Excellent analysis on what losing the fullness did to his crab most muscular. Mind blowing physique to this day.
Looking at the glutes and hams as well as the upper quads maybe 1.5-2 week would’ve been the perfect mid point but who knows
yes
@TheLusianPopa there you are
Imo the 3 week version is conditioned enough to beat or a least match any Mr O past or present
@@ImYourHuckleberry_29 he's right tho? there's a footage in color of the photoshoot and Yates' glutes and hams are absolutely peeled, there are many glimpses of that but he didn't contract them during the back poses so they appear not as conditioned on pictures. Just watch the footage and pay attention to his legs.
100% what a Brit sounds like 😂😂 sincerely from a Brit
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Just wanted to say thanks for churning out so many videos. I like your content and love the delivery. Hope you go far in this endeavour of yours, or things of that nature.
Those black'n'white photos are incredible.
Love the video...in 1993 waiting for a long month for the magazines I would show my friends and every single one would say wtf!!!....at that time it was like seeing a dinosaur come to life....thanks for bringing peace in a time (pedimic)...of war...
WOW!!! Love your videos!!!
Best overall physique ever in the history of body building. Incomparable mass with class.
"A little pickle in your juice!"
LMFAO! xD
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Dude where have you been all my life I love this video hahaha my favorite bodybuilding channel next to NSP, and it’s the first video I’ve seen 🤷🏻♂️😌💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼😝😝
being compared to NSP is quite a compliment. Thank you and I hope you enjoy this fan request Friday!
Great video Marx, and good, funny impressions!
"OOOH another photo shoot vs photo shoot comparison" Lol love ur enthusiasm
Being the biggest and leanest was Doriens stratagy to win. Thats what the judges wanted aparently
Literally looks like a different person in the face
It’s sort of common knowledge that Dorian valued the dry, grainy conditioning he brought more than sheer size. He said it himself he could have easily gotten bigger but only at the expense of his outstanding conditioning
OMG BEST VIDEO EVER! I THINK THAT 3 WEEKS OUT COULD RIVEL RULLEY SIZE OF TODAY! BUT OF COURSE WITH DORIAN'S SIGNATURE GRAININESS!
Roelly?
I dislike Dorians physique but honestly can we just admire this quality and conditioning 3 weeks out? And no oil! No bullshit. I still don’t think he shoulda won the Olympia but if he came in like the 3 week out version he’d look so much more convincing.
You dont think Dorian should of won the olympia. Lol change sport or your glassess.
@@guygraham8016 can you believe this metal fitness guy? 😂
@@mattgagi4347 hes right...he is incomplete and blocky. I think u need glasses. Pancake chest Dorian's reign as mr olympia is the most controversial out of all the multiple o winners.
@@misternatural1338 ua-cam.com/video/B-t3bDOFAK8/v-deo.html incomplete? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Guy Graham
Bodybuilding isn’t a sport. It’s an art. And art is subject to the eye of the beholder. I for one have my own specific taste and opinions of physiques. I don’t like Dorians. Sue me for thinking differently.
I always thought his biceps looked Considerably Bigger in B/W pics compared to Olympia 👍 great vid mate
Would love to hear from someone in the crowd during the 93 show
It's amazing how much he cut in 3 weeks. 3 weeks out is the best look ever.
Well said, at last somebody who understands bodybuilding properly
269 lbs 4 wks out prior to 93 Olympia, 12 lbs of weight difference makes his physique look even more rugged.One of those what if’s scenarios.
Even I look ripped in the right light!
I prefer the extra cuts of the Olympia version.
He might have been PERFECT at a week and a half out
this was 6 weeks out not 3..; makes it more impressive
Same shape 3 weeks out... Look at the shadows, he's lit from the other side. Plus in a black and white photo you can punch up the detail. Tricks of light and photography. He is one of the best of all time.
3 weeks out killed it
Most definitely 3 weeks out had better muscle bellies and fullness. Size for sure.
But conditioning was better on Olympia contest day.
Well this is the difference in era! Just like Dexter said, now it's about fullness compared to Dorians' Era which focused more on grainess
At 08:23 left side isnt 93. It's 95 precontest I believe. His left biceps is injured and he didnt wear socks like in famous 93 photoshot
I read a few interviews, at the time, and dorian said he would have liked to come in like that, but at the time you had to come in really dry.
All the interviews I read said the same thing, but back then, the competitors came in in amazing condition, not like today.
Ill never forget those pictures and I’m sure that was 6 weeks out, but it was a long time ago, so my memory might not be the best!
Many thanks to Marx Max Muscle in the fantastic dramatic way of explaining all his videos. It’s entertaining and dramatic and funny. Absolutely fantastic show every time. Thank you MMM!!!
Dorian era un monstruo de la masa
This chap sounds like Gerry Ryan,r.i.p great voice for this type of stuff and I bet he could get the job in Ireland rte1 radio, cos jerry talked like this loads of humour and quite funny I really do like his comments
I always liked Dorian's structure. His thick joints complimented the thickness of his muscles. I know everyone else seems to love the tiny joints Flex Wheeler look, but I always found it looked incongruent.
Muscle is only 900 calories per pound vs 3500 for a pound of fat. When he continued to diet at three weeks out he was losing muscle much more rapidly than the tiny amount of subcutaneous bodyfat.
I thought this was 6 weeks out
Mandela effect?
there were actually 2 photoshoots done, one 6 weeks out and the other 3 weeks out. This one is 3 weeks out I believe.
Adding the facts that people have said he look 100% better on stage when you’re there, different lighting, talking further away(you can barely even see the veins, that for sure was there since he was more dried up and leaner)the photoshoot is taken at a point where the pump isnt the same and carbs are hitting like they did on stage. He also was leaner, deeper cuts, seperarions, tigher waist creating a bigger x-frame… he for looked better on stage knowing the needed facts
Were they 3 weeks out? I was thinking they were 6 weeks out
I had those black and white pics all over my garage in Australia I believe these pics were 6 weeks out personally he looks much better in the black and white but for sure he was crisper at the olympia
I believe so. Those black and whites have never been surpassed for a combination of MASS AND CONDITIONING. He showed the power of HIT training. To the max.
Dorian was over cooked and If he didnt get injured he would have been even better! love the content mark. Im addicted to your videos!
More arnold impressions plz!
Right pic look like 1994 with torn bicep. In 1993 he was perfect especially in the black and white
I think Dorian wasn't overcooked. As everyone knows, it's not all about mass. Sure he lost some mass compared to the 3 weeks out version, but I believe it was the combination of very impressive mass at competition time and his insane level of conditioning that ultimately won him 6 straight Mr Olympia titles.
Them black and white pics is the look today's bodybuilders step on stage with..like dexter said..bigger and fuller.
There is colored version of 93 photo shoot of Dorian. I have seen Ronnie, Phil, Haney, Arnold etc. But that look in that photoshoot is the most impressive and freaky in my book. He should have just came to that stage with that look. His biceps looked much fuller and bigger.
You forgot to mention his calves/soleus (I know I’ve probably spelt that wrong!), they were probably untouchable from all 4 sides from the front/side/rear/inside plus his shin muscles (pls tell me I’ve got this right the tibialis anterior 😉). Also the obliques and serratus Love the channel and the morphing!
Bodybuilders nowadays are too worried about looking "flat" and small. they chase the "full" look, so now more often then not we get guys looking out of shape and missing the mark. Dorian was always "flat" and "overcooked" but he was still huge. Bodybuilders of today: if you look small when this conditioned, then you ARE small. 90's guys were massive either way.
It's a shame Dorian was looking to advance the best of previous but now they seem to have a mass priorty
Ive been laughing at the pickle in the juice all week😂. As much as I always liked that black and white photo shoot if he hit the stage like that we would probably be talking now about how poor his legs were that year and how overly massive his up body was along with the lack of details in his arms. So yes we can all admire how huge he was 3 weeks out and maybe he over dieted a bit but he was known for the ultra hard look and he was just following his own plan, head to head I think I would score the win to his contest look over the massive 3 week out look, just my opinion though
His legs have good proportion
not sure if Marx mentioned it in this video, but the camera's positioning creates an illusion of Yates' physique being top heavy.
If you watch the in color FOOTAGE of the same photoshoot you'd see that Yates' legs were completely in proportion, not as they appear in these black and white photos.
I think the lighting was just a lot better in the black and white pics
Great channel
Hope you get monetized. . .
Oui il est mieux 3 semaines avant,mais n'oublions pas une chose ,en 93 les critères n'était pas.ceux d'aujourd'hui ou il y a le classic d'un côté et l'Open de l'autre ,en 93 le conditionnement était a son apogée et était Primordial,Dorian en 3 semaines a dut perdre 15 ou 20 livres mais sa taille c'est nettement améliorée ainsi que son conditionnement qui pourtant 3 semaines avant l'Olympia était de part le fait de sa qualité musculaire ,du fait qu'il ne devait pas abuser d'insuline ou de synthol nettement meilleur que ce que l'on peut voir aujourd'hui à l'Olympia .
Les classics deviennent toujours plus massifs mais restent très secs et les open utilisent pleins de merdes qui changent la structure du squelette (HGH),empêchent d'avoir une taille fine et ont des épaules énormes mais sans dureté ni détails.Bref l'Open va finir par disparaitre si ça change pas ...😢
I guess the picture at left is why they call him the shaddow. The shaddows are what manipulates best size and cuts.
But what about making a video on when he startet using the heavy duty he is so famour for and then hold that up against, that he only had a very short career before he startet heavily experiencing injuries? He came to mr. O in 92 and was bicepinjuried in 94' I think? And what about his other injuries when did they happen?
We could serve him real, nor superficial honor, by learning from his path.
Dorian always said that he could come in much bigger but wanted to be ripped
That photo shoot body would have beaten Ronnie Coleman, I think, maybe 🤔🤔
Imagine a mid point. 10 days out and 10 pounds between these two. Still full but more detail in the legs and back. This physique is terryfying though.
I wonder what the other competitors thought when they saw these pictures three weeks out? I would have just given up 😅
They realised 2nd would be their best placing
even his biggest haters like Shawn Ray (at the time) knew it was a wrap. I clearly remember Ray saying "Dorian Yates showed up in 1993, transformed bodybuilder that was unbeatable".
Levrone also keeps saying in interviews that they knew, if Yates showed up in shape, they were fighting for 2nd.
I see TheLusianPopa has found your channel .
6 weeks out I believe in the famous black socks shoot
Look at his hand/wrist positioning in the side-by-side pictures for each pose...they're always identical. Talk about having your pose down to a science. I guarantee the slight flexion or rotation of one wrist compared to the other was intentional, strategic, and probably reflexive by this point.
Yes he was, way better three weeks out
conditionning is way ebough to be the best, and what a better mass.....and not injured ;
I think Dorian had a massive pump before the 3 Weeks Out photoshoot. That might explain it.
It's 7 week out
Please so Yates 92’ vs 93’ 🙏🙏
check Dorian's shape in 1999
Why in the hell he never stick to this size?????
If he was able to peak on time, it would have been the most dominant victory ever.
Anyone ever put color to the 3 week or photos?
I would guess he should have come in at more like 2 weeks out - he would win, but would probably look best somewhere in between
Just from first scan/sighting Yates peaked 3 weeks to early, his pics on the left are brutally mind blowing. By Olympia time he is still incredible but lacking the monstrous edge that his 3 weeks ‘away’ condition has.
Such good lower traps 💪
He should of came in looking like the black and white photo
These photos are 6 weeks out.
Why he never entered stage like this is mysterious as it's much better
Some pics are 6 weeks out, others are 3 weeks out.
Norton made the photoshoot 2 times (6 and 3 weeks out). You are mixing the images.
Yes.
where 6 and 3 weeks?
@@lukeism2 where 6 and 3 weeks?
The left photo at 4:07 was the first shot I ever saw of him, and I thought he looked hard as a concrete wall; so hard and thick if I walked into him by mistake I would a bounced off.
Phil’s thickness from behind is from an another planet ... only Ronnie could challenge him
I my view, anything bigger than Dorian Yates 1993 it is just too much!
this should put this to rest, the 93 pics are overrated and he was not stage ready
many people said dennis james looked like a champ in the gym, what matter is how you look on stage and dorian was better on stage than these gym pics
@TheLusianPopa people argue those gym pics are his best look ever, they aren't hence them being overrated
his arms and chest look fuller, everything else looks smooth compared to his 93 olympia body
I like ur voice,
The gym photos are crazy. Just freakish stuff from a guy who we know is a freak on stage too….. but 🤷♂️ I just cannot compare gym photos in black and white to often shitty Olympia lighting. I just can’t
Do you think overcooking his dieting lead to the injuries he had
He trained too hard in preparation for contests. In hindsight he should've gone easier on the weights approaching contests.
P.s you forgot to say, baby please 😂😂😂
If was 1992 that he overcooked it !
Bigger doesn’t mean better all the time.. I believe he looked better on show day
I find when you drop body fat you lose the most muscle in your ungifted areas first. In dorians case his chest/biceps always went down when he came in conditioned. I think he still would have won Olympia if he just came in less conditioned with more size ?
Not enough guys pose in b/w these days. Take the last Olympia, it took place in colour. So disappointing 😆
B/W grainy goon light is like...goon light squared.
No ab and thigh??
I've aways said condition is judged too much. Anyone can diet down, but not everyone can put on that much mass, it is called bodybuilding after all. It is totally wrong that a small guy wins over a big guy just because of condition.