How-To Get Better Video Using SLog2 with Sony ZV-E10 and A7C
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- In this video I will walk you thru setting up the Sony ZV-E10 geni.us/AXy5 or geni.us/ObFCBGY and A7C geni.us/skKTRYB or geni.us/N6UyGd (Affiliate Links) for S-Log2. I will then show you how to properly exposure, set custom white balance for the most accurate colors, and then a basic color grade in Final Cut. Gear used linked below and thanks for watching, Jay
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I'm following Jason's camera setting recommendations for the zv-e10 but using ITU709 Matrix for the color mode instead of S-Gamut3.Cine for similar reasons why S-Log2 is used over S-Log3 for 8-bit cameras. Cullen Kelly recommends configuring a good color management space in DaVinci Resolve before grading anything as well. After some experimentation I found the best color management settings (found in file > project settings > color management) for Jason's zv-e10 setting recommendations to be Da Vinci YRGB Color Managed > Uncheck Automatic Color Managed > Color Processing Mode set to Custom > input color space set to S-Gamut/S-Log2 > timeline color space set to Da Vinci WG/Intermediate > and the output color space set to REC.709-A. Also, in Preferences > General, tick "Automatically tag REC.709 Scene clips as REC.709-A" and for Mac users tick "Use Mac display color profile for viewers." That sets you up for a good foundation across the widest display and software based on color science, and then you can fiddle around with the primaries or HDR wheels to make any necessary tweaks, but the end result of those color management settings gets very, very close to a finished grade across all your clips recorded with the zv-e10 in S-Log2 with just a few clicks. The Da Vinci Resolve website has great tutorials on how to color grade based on scopes and other best practices to go even further and you can really go down the color grading rabbit hole with Cullen Kelly's channel.
This is one of the most useful, No BS zve-10 videos on YT. Thank You so much!
You're very welcome!
Very very thanks for all your help. It's very important video about aslog2 .we was waiting this video for long time .
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I learned a lot. Sorry that I can only give you 1 thumbs up for this video.
I am very happy that I watched this video. The explanation is very clear and understandable. Thank you very much .
I have a question about shooting video in the street. As you know, there are a lot of people passing in front of the lens. What is the most appropriate focus setting in this case?
Can I get a good 4K video for UA-cam with these settings?❤❤
Just got the ZV-e10. Excactly what I've been looking for!
Thanks a ton :)
thank's from Paris
You're welcome!
Hey Jason, great video. I love how easy you make manual color grading from S-Log2. Thanks for sharing!
I really appreciate that :) It actually took me about two weeks of testing and planning to figure out the best way to make this video for people that are new to this process. I have watched so many videos about slog over the years, but there was always key unknowns that made the process very frustrating and unpredictable I found. With this method, all the unknowns in my mind are accounted for and it's very easy to get consistent results in various lighting conditions. Thanks again for the kind words and all the best, Jay
Hi, Jay. After a pause from video work, I am getting back into it and want to take next steps on color grading with my Sony footage. This video has motivated me to advance. I appreciate your clear, engaging, and open approach. You're a great teacher/tutor and I've watched many of your videos since entering the mirrorless world. Thanks for your knowledge and positivity!
Awesome to hear you are on your learning path and thank you for the very kind words Dan :)
We can do that settings outside ? I have the impression it’s overexpose and the sky is burning
Yes you can do it outside as well, but you need to watch the histogram for exposure and also I would recommend using a grey card to help judge, because it's harder in Slog to see the exposure on the screen itself. It usually looks overexposed to your point, but that is actually normal...
Hi jay, just want to ask what settings or parameters did you set on your zebras to properly expose your clips?
I show this at 2:31
I'm trying to use these settings for my Sony a7c but can't figure them out properly... How can you capture the custom white balance when you're far from the camera? I also have red zebras that remain on the image
You need to set up the target or camera closer would be my recommendation and I have no idea how you got red zebras?
@@Jason_Hermann thank you for you reply 🙏🏼 would be ok to set the Grey card closer even though I'm gonna be a little bit further while recording?
@@marrone7825 You are very welcome :) You need to have the grey card on/where for what you are exposing for. The grey card method's purpose is to help you set the proper exposure for S-Log... So if the lighting is the same then yes, otherwise you will need to move the camera closer to that spot, set-up, and then move the camera back to where you need it for the shot.
Why you set the WB with grey table? Shouldn’t it be with white?
You can use white or grey 👍
you can set same aperture on a7c you dont HAVE to use 1.8
Yes, not sure where you got that. I prefer to use f/1.8 in the studio is all, but of course you can use any aperture on your camera. This video was on Slog2 and exposing for slog2...
great video, question? how are you getting eye detect at 4k 24FPS on the zve10?
Thank you so much! This is the easiest explanation video I’ve watch!
Thank you so much for this informative yet simple video to understand how to expose and color grade the S-log 2. I've been struggling to find videos over the last few months to understand the process since most of the ones online are too complicated.
You're very welcome Lana and I had the same problem which is why I tried to make a tutorial that was easier for people to grasp... Thanks for the kind words and all the best, Jay
Can you show how to grade and correct S-Log2 for Premiere Pro?
Sorry, I don't use Premiere Pro...
Hello Jason, thank you for the informative video. I have a few questions regarding the Sony ZV-E10:
1) May I ask why you chose S-Log2 instead of S-Log3 for your videos?
2) How did you have Face/Eye Priority in AF on, whilst recording in XAVC S 4K file format?
Thank you so much!
Hello there, Slog3 on 8-bit Sony cameras is not as good as Slog2 in my opinion. Most experts that color grade all say this and it has to due with the color bit depth breaking apart when you try and grade the footage. 10-bit Sony cameras like the A7IV for example, you would want to use Slog3 for sure! As far as Face Priority AF goes, I am using 4k@24p and DON'T have proxy recording on, or PC Remote enabled so it works even with an HDMI cable plugged in...
@@Jason_Hermann Thank you for the explanation-I just tested this and agree, so I’ll be implementing this change now :) Solid advice!
@@Jason_Hermann Hi Jason, what is the correct Zebra IRE for Slog2 with Sony ZV-E10? still at 34%? how can you determine?
Clutch tutorial man, thanks! I just got a ZV-E10 and I need all the help I can get
Thank you so much. You are the best. I have learned so much from your videos.
Thanks man, I'm not a videoagrapher at all bu for me who has somehow managed to do video... this helped BIG time
Hi Jay! Just a question. Once this has been set up will it automatically stay on s-log when turning off & on until I change it back?
Hello, Yes it will stay set-up that way.
Appreciate your video! I’m never sure on how much sharp I should add? Any advice? Thanks!
I usually use the sharpen amount at about 2.5 which is default, to 3.5 depending on the lens I used.... If you go up top in the middle by the View option; to the left of View should be the word Fit. If you click on Fit you can change it 100% and then use the little box that comes up to move your video around so you can see what you want in detail. That is how you can dial in the sharpening with confidence! Does that make sense? All the best, Jay
@@Jason_Hermann I use premiere pro… so 3.5 no it dnt make sense but I appreciate you none the less! 😇
@@Jason_Hermann any idea what 2.5 3.5 would translate on a +0-100 scale? Thanks a bunch!
I'm sorry I don't no for sure, but I would still zoom into 100% and then adjust the sharpening until it looks good. I would guess around 20-30 on the 0-100 scale would be a good place to start...
I’ve been using the nisi ND filter. It’s one of the best filters I’ve ever used
That was amazing for my grade flow! Thanks a lot!!!
I thought zebra stripes were on over exposed areas. But you say we are trying to get zebras on the subject? Why. Thanks.
You can use zebras for whatever exposure amount you want... I have it set in this video for the proper grey card. when using Slog2.
@@Jason_Hermann thank you very much.
this is amazing, well i just wanted to get the link to that editing software you used, otherwise thank you for the great work .
Glad you liked the tutorial and I used Final Cut Pro: apps.apple.com/us/app/final-cut-pro/id424389933
can I do white balance in different way if I don't have this grey canva? I want to record talking heads for Instagram reels with s-log2 and colour it later to gain this natural effect and quality. I have sony zv-10
Yes, you can use a white piece of paper for custom WB, and white wall in your house, etc... When in doubt you can always just dial it in to what you think it needs to be as well.
Thanks alot this was sooooo helpful :)
Help Me ! I have shoot everything as per your settings on sony zve10 kit lens . Now when I apply color space transform I choose slog2 and s gamut3.cine for input . What do I need to choose for output color space and output color gamma !!
Are this exposure values still apply if you shoot outside in a different lighting.
Yes, and you use aperture and/ or the ND Filter to dial in the exposure to "correct" value. It is a bit harder to judge outside, but I also use the histogram as a guide when in doubt... It takes a little practice is all.
New to all this exposure and grading for video . As a photographer I use an incident light meter to place the correct tones during exposure. More expensive than grey card but more convenient when lighting is constantly changing. Great video
Thanks for sharing
Thanks Jason, much appreciated.
this was a very helpful video! thank you!
How do you record in HDR?? Exactly
For the white balance, do you take a new custom one for every new scene you are in? Or does that white balance just apply to every scene? I'm a little confused on that part and would appreciate some help.
I do it for every new scene that has different lighting conditions/ color temp... Within reason though of course, I'm not doing this constantly in regular life, but if I'm filming something for one of my videos I usually use Custom WB, hard set to "daylight" if I am outside, and/or in a pinch I will use Auto... In the studio I always use the custom WB and never really have to change it unless I switch the lights around or add a light for example. In my case the reason for using custom specifically is so I have the most accurate skin tones and when testing cameras and lenses I want the most accurate colors... However in the real world if humans are not in the scene I am way less likely to use custom...
Which PP it’s have more dinamic range and true colors without color grading in Premierpro?!
Standard Creative Mode with NO Picture Profile looks the best straight off the camera in my opinion and requires no color grading, but it does not have the extra dynamic range the S-Log2 has...
Absolute killer job with the simplicity of this my bro!
6:23 why did my screen turn green? wtf I must be hella dumb because I can’t figure this out lol
My guess would be your exposure is to low. Try adding a bit more light if possible….
Appreciate you so much man fr!!! New to camera scene and u made it simple!
Hi Jason, thank you again for your tutorials, you're my Sony guide!
I've using these settings to film my UA-cam videos and basically the file are so gigantic, like 300MB for 20 second clips...
I guess it's what you have to "pay" to film in 4K and S-Log 2... Any tips about it?
Yeah you just need to invest in some larger memory cards and possible an SSD for editing... 10-Bit on the newer cameras is even larger depending on the format. 46/60p is 240MB/s or something like that for example...
Absolutely, I also got the SanDisk Extreme 1 TB to edit on, hope it'll help! Thanks mate@@Jason_Hermann
Wow, Jason, another great video! I've much to learn. Easy with your content. Thanks so much! Greats from Hannover/Germany, Mathias 😮
Awesome, thank you!
Hi Jason .. Great video.. do you have links to your overhead mounting rig for Zve10??
Hey Patrick, Thanks and this is the C-Stand w/ overhead rig I have: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/372016-REG/Impact_CT40MKIT_Master_Century_C_Stand.html/BI/7257/KBID/7777/DFF/d10-v21-t1-x216630/SID/DFF
i really do this with slog 2 with my sony a6400 indoor studio shots and very good can u tell me how profile p used with outdoor shots ?
For outside use I tend to use the histogram more than a gray card for checking exposure. I do still use the gray card for custom white balance outside though if the lighting conditions are anything bit daylight. The issue with Slog2 for outside more than anything for me is the Base ISO being at 500. With fast prime lenses and a strong variable ND Filter is a must to keep that shutter speed at 1/50sec. When using the histogram just like when I showed it in this video, you need to make sure you are not clipping any highlights most importantly if possible.
Thanks!
Excellent 👏
Hi Jason! Thanks for the video. I just wanted to ask if its ok to remove the zebra lines because im using this for vlogging, and im seeing the lines allover my face😅
And how😅 thank you!
Yes, you only need them to calibrate then you can disable!! Which camera do you have?
good move
Amazing. Thank you for the tutorial.
You're very welcome!
very useful vid. Can you make a video on how to do this in photoshop or lightroom as well as if you shot a whole bunch of pics without doing a gray/color picker adjustment but shot in SLOG2. I just want the right colors without overdoing it! thanks.
You should not take photos using Slog in my opinion. Shooting RAW quality with Picture Profile OFF would be my recommendation... Then make sure your white balance is set correctly which result in super accurate colors. All you really need to do in Lightroom at that point is add some contrast, sharpness, maybe a touch of vibrance...
@@Jason_Hermann thanks!
Thanks a lot! i would love to know how to get cinematic looks on FCPX with the same cameras as i own a ZV-E10.
like a good teal and orange look or a clasic moody look would help a lot
Great stuff Jay, thank you! Very interesting to see the grading process. I'll be coming back to this one in the future.
Thank you for the kind words and it took me me a long time to come to grips with shooting S-Log2, so be sure to give it a try when you get some time :) All the best, Jay
hi, can make one with slog-3 pls? and why did you choosed to use slog-2 instead?
because its 8bit color and limited to grade you can only use slog3 if your camera is 10bit more colors to grade.
A7c has slog-3
@@Narkiukas yes it is have slog3 in a7c but 8bit only not 10bit
@Narkiukas better option if you own a7c is slog2 or hlg3 for color grade
That's where I need dig into deeper. Why and what is the difference on both options, well 3 options. As I noticed there is lots of opinions , and this is probably a very personal to each one. And looks like will have to find my best option in time. Just need to understand more of those codings it selfs and possiblities with each and combinations in between hardware and software. There are options to choose for a reason. Just was curious on the author's opinion of this post. But thanks anyway. All opinions mater for me, spent already hundreds of hours of different material in this sphere.
I use also ZV-E10 with 16mm sigma lens, but on slog2/slog3 there is so much grain on this camera (especially in darken scene), that i have to use noise reduction in post process. I set a little overexpose image (between 1-2 M.M), but it doesn’t help. I wonder if its something wrong with my camera. Do you have the same problem with noise on this camera with slog? I always use base iso500. On diffrent profiles i don’t have any noise.
I find if I under expose at all then it will have noise, so getting the exposure correct for whatever your subject is key. Just average raising 1.5 stops is not always enough depending on the subject you are exposing for. The gray card and zebra usually does a good job most of the time. I find it harder in the studio when there are a lot of dark areas and I am bright, but again if the exposure is correct the noise is not bad at all. There is not to much latitude on Slog2 in post either, so raising the exposure in post to bring up the shadows for example will add a ton of noise also....
@@Jason_Hermann thanks for answer! I keep trying to find the best settings/exposure.
@@dementhedude your camera is bad.. replace it.. i had the same problem..
@@dementhedudehello. Have you been able to solve this?
No, I started using cine profiles…
Can I use Zv e10 without lens? Or I must buy one?
A lens is required Anto and please refer to this video for a demo of the best lens options: ua-cam.com/video/cDWUNhv300Q/v-deo.html
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Great video.
I have A7C
Thanks :)
How about filming moving objects. sports for example. How do you expose if you have to be movingconstantly?.
Well that is a lot more tricky. Auto ISO will work, but really what you want to do is use a variable ND and adjust the brightness as needed to maintain a proper shutter speed. Way easier said than done though... The badass Cine cameras like the FX6 for example have a built in electronic variable ND filter, which is how they work for variable lighting conditions making it a lot easier to use.
I have qustion about shooting slog2 with a7iii camera. When i shoot with 120 fps. Shutter 240. Clips have pixel blending (not sharpe ) when slowdown the clip. Can please tell me Why ??
Well 120p is not near the same quality as 60 or 24p when you think about it. 120p has a similar file size to 24p, so it's not as good quality.. Therefore you really need to nail the exposure, because there is very little wiggle room in the footage for editing etc... Banding will be more likely and all of that...
How would this translate to shooting sports
Hey Jason thanks for such a detailed review. Have you come across a certain behavior where iso from 50 till 640 when shooting slog2/slog3 results in a massive red color shift for the zve-10 ? I have this behavior on my model. I also observed this on a model in the sony showroom.
No, I have not seen that...
Is it worth it to get gray card if I'm going to be shooting outside in daytime or night time? Or should I just have it set to auto white balance? Because aren't those gray cards only useful in specific controlled environments? Thanks! (I'm new to cameras btw)
You can use the grey card outside also and for WB, but I tend to just use the histogram when outside and usually set the camera to daylight white balance.
Hey how do I get the PP7 to display on shooting display
If you press the Display button on the top of the control wheel more info will come up on the camera screen...
@@Jason_Hermann I saw that but it doesn't show PP7 on the screen only when I press the Fn button.
I don't know why it look kind of pinky and noisy
Prolly because you are not used to seeing log footage and I am not the best at working with it... Plus using the RGB lights makes it harder... The newer 10-bit cameras are also less noisy, like my A74 which I use Slog3 with for example.
That's great, thank you so much, but what do I do if I don't have the gray card?
You can use a piece of white paper, but you will need to adjust the numbers for that... Grey cards cost only a few dollars on Amazon, so I would recommend getting one.