I work in healthcare. When I heard other healthcare workers talking seriously about how they shouldn't have to take care of unvaccinated covid patients, I honestly thought they should lose their licenses. If you have that level of animosity for your patients, you aren't going to provide good care and you have no business being in the field.
My friend's doctor told her to get cough drops. She's suffering from extreme fatigue after two weeks of COVID. She's the sheep that got all her shots and one booster, and this is how the hospital treats her. Cough drops.
I’m an RN who retired in 2021. I’ve listened to you all through the pandemic and I have appreciated your alt middle non political approach. You’ve helped keep me sane! I love when you and VP banter back and forth. On this episode you kept teasing that you would talk about Fauci and you never did. Please address Fauci on your next episode and the overhaul of the CDC. Love you, Z! Keep up the good work. (Also love that VP has a connection to the Hoosier state☺️)
I really enjoy you two together! I am conservative politically, in the medical field and a cancer patient. I love listening to diversity of thought from you all!
Thank you both for your sound reasoning!! I am a strong conservative from Texas. I discovered both of you early in Covid. In fact, listening to you help me decide to get the first 2 shots of the vaccine…even though I was hesitant. I appreciate how balanced you both are and sound in your thinking and reasoning. You call out all the crazy that has destroyed America for the last 2 years. Although, I’m sure we don’t align on every issue, and you both are more left leaning than I am. I appreciate that you don’t talk down to those that see things differently. If only we could all meet in the middle. Covid has polarized us into 2 camps. I have lost most of my liberal friends because they no longer are tolerant of a different view point.. keep up the good work! I love listening to your banter with one another. And thank you for not speaking down to us! And not hating on those that decide they don’t want to vaccinate or mask. I wish more left leaning people were like you. And that the right leaning would also be able to talk and reason without dividing.💗. God bless you both!
I enjoy how VP's honesty comes from so much angry speech lol. VP's anger is kinda sublime with how it gets a bit unhinged but stays balanced by so many well-reasoned views. It's funny but full of ideas/insights that sersiously merit an official answer, like the thing about masks as another way for kids to deliberately seek school suspensions... I'm really looking forward Sensible Medicine! Viva VPZD⚡
I honestly don't know how everyone isn't seething with rage. All it takes is to look at the percentage of kids who didn't come back to school after hurricane Katrina, and look at the direct relationship between educational attainment and life expectancy, to see that the states that kept kids out of school after the evidence was in, sentenced hundreds of thousands of children to nasty, brutish, and short lives. And likely their children too. It's multi generational harm. For nothing. Actually, for *worse* than nothing, because many of them were shunted between parents working in the community to grandparents acting as carers. They were the vector to the most at risk generation. I have to fight back tears of anger every time I think about it.
Thanks for the great conversation and the humor! I would really love to hear the specifics on why Malone and McCullough are wrong. I have heard you allude to it, but have never heard the details/specifics. Thank you!
I'm so happy you guys got together and are doing the VPZD Show. I hope you read this. What is different about you both is that you can be critical, while at the same time be positive.
As a physician I find it offensive and unprofessional. I don't consider it "sensible medicine". Sad to see that zdoggmd responded with a like to this comment. I really enjoy the content of the channel and encourage them to consider keeping the content "sensible" to all audiences. Remember our patients are watching these videos. There is already a severe decline in how the public views physicians... I don't think this type of language helps. I don't want to be critical but give constructive feedback that may help see another viewpoint.
I don't see it technically as dropping F-bombs, he's reading them and then referring/connecting his comments to the twitter post. (I read "dropping" to mean he's swearing because he talks like that naturally and just wants to)
Being a pearl clutching nanny is what is wrong with Soccer Doctor. As long as the F bomb is appropriate, keep dropping them! The worst words these days are slurs not bodily functions. Go read Nine Nasty Words by John McWhorter. Keeping up the F bombs if they are there for a good reason!
I love how you guys tangential train of thoughts go into so many places. I am high functioning ADHD, and I am pretty sure you do have all those traits!
Only 40 seconds in and I've heard enough.... Enough to know that my wishes are being answered with your new collaboration. My biggest fear with the pandemic from the very beginning was that "they" would terribly botch the response and ruin public trust in the medical and political establishment. The two of you, and Marty when he makes it have been a salve for so many of us. You're open-eyed takes on the pandemic, political tribalism and humanity have kept me sane and helped me realize that those of us that don't want to take part in the Insanity are not alone. I couldn't be happier right now! 🙏
Exactly. When it comes to predicting the effects of a “vaccine” on the population in the middle of a pandemic, ill tell you who’s been right this far, and it sure as hell isn’t ZDogg
I have movement disorders that prevent me from practicing occasional therapy. I want to get my MSW in order to become a counselor, but OR would force me to jab during my clinical, which starts during the first semester. I'm in poverty, and I'm conflicted. I hate having to choose between an unnecessary injection and poverty, especially having already recovered from COVID.
It is sad that I noticed several doctors including Infectious disease doctors and intensivists doctors at work especially in early pandemic spoke so negative about the unvaxed patients. Sadly, many died and likely did not get the best cares. Many nurses also talked so negative. Patients have rights regardless of their choices. Providers continue to bill patients that they don’t even see just because patients are in isolation rooms. Stop this tyranny and stop mandates. Honor Natural immunity. Follow science.
Autocracy and rigidity are not desirable traits. It is so refreshing to listen to these two nuanced, rational men. Thank you! Astute comments on the perils of over screening.
ZD's honesty is beyond adjectives. And walking back his categorization of a masked 20 y/o doing high intesity lifts, (from "mentally ill" to being misinformed,) I think that kind of self-moderation is peak zen-self-reliance. GREAT JOB ZD
I dont know bob. They both blindly shilled the covid shot with little evidence of efficacy and side effects. They could have negatively affected the course of someones life who trust their opinions, blindly.
I always look forward to listening to your shows. Am am excited to hear about Sensible Medicine and will be following you there as well. Please bring Marty back for a show! Keep up the good work you two!
I like watching VP and ZD, but it's not just about confirmation bias. I'm an economist who has worked with doctors for many years. VP and ZD approach issues in a way that economists can respect. I'm a Bernie Sanders progressive who is somewhat anti-woke. I also like Monica Gandhi, Marty Makary, and Jay Bhattacharya. I'm generally pro-vaccine, and I'm anti-mask. I support boosters and vaccines for ages for whom data shows that the vaccine is shows efficacy. I also watch Glenn Loury's videos even though he is much more conservative than I am because he is smart and sensible, and I do agree with him on some issues.
I thoroughly enjoy hearing that similar minds exist. I completely agree with your every point, and can only add that I'm anti-lock downs and mandatory forced vaccinations for all as well, despite being generally pro-vaccine.
Man I love you guys honesty without taking political sides. Health should not and is not politics. The worst thing about the last 2+ years (okay maybe not the worst) is how many of us have lost faith in those in charge of health. Thankful for smart, insightful guys like you. Too bad you guys had to tip toe around "algorithms" due to dumb facto checkers and the such.
Please watch some of Dr Mobeens videos. He goes over lots of studies ! I find him trustworthy. He has always been pro vax but seems like he’s starting to turn because of current evidence. I like both of you doctors but wonder if you still may be suffering from and little cognitive dissonance. VP you’ll go over some of these studies - but you seem to be so hesitant to come to the right conclusion about the studies you are talking about. I’d question getting the vaccine at all at this point - even the first dose now that I’m seeing some of the new studies coming out about how it’s weakening the immune system.
Loganchamp, i hope he really does like metallica or he is total poser...its posh nowadays for the rap community to wear "metal" shirts for whatever reasons. To me, its ridiculous.
As a Medical Assistant In Urology Dept., I process urine, post DRE, and send off to a lab for PCA3, cancer detection -if patients opt out on prostate biopsy in clinic. Also, Exosome Diagnostics sends urine sample kits to patient's home with instructions on how to collect urine and mail back to the lab. Still best to consult with a specialist, a Urologist.
You guys are the most sensible folks around. Altmiddle with a side of irony. Even back when influenza was the main enemy I didn’t spend too much of my clinical time trying to flip patient opinion on getting their flu shot or shaming them that they’d give it to their family /friends. And I got monthly panel grades on it. Really at this point what’s the difference ?
If the medical establishment really wanted to have a positive impact, they'd ensure that all of their publications were in open-access journals. I volunteer in EMS and I pretty much have no access to the latest research because nobody can afford journal subscriptions.
I trust Z because I’ve been watching for years. You admit when you’re wrong. You explain nuance. Vinay I trust because Z trusts him. Vinay reads the studies and clearly explains the studies. That’s the brief of it. PS I hated, “Atlas Shrugged.” I’ve been a truck driver for years and listened to the 62cd unabridged novel. I looked up Randy as I listened and learned a little of her philosophy allegedly based in reality, and then listened to that BS. A plane flies into capitalist Shangri La! A weapon that only kills at a couple of hundred yards! AND was barely guarded! A young man shot in the chest gives a half hour death bed dissertation on the greatness of John Galt philosophy!! Of course I wad much older than y’all were when y’all read it. I also read extensively into history and current events.
Love the sensible medicine concept! Would be happy to share from a integrative pain management approach. Pain is an incredible unifier that brings so many fields of medicine and therefore so many aspects of health systems and policies to the forefront.
@ZD - you ask how can you/sensible medicine unwind/untangle the issues of confirmation bias/trustworthiness - I think you have to start with the things you consider/look at to define trustworthiness and rationale. For me, a big part of this is how folk seek and judge evidence, and importantly how clearly and accurately they express their judgements. You have to get the folk you want to reach to consider how they want to arrive at a view and justify that approach. I watched on after you asked this question and Vinay says something similar.
There's one specialty from whom I would have loved to hear more, virologists. I'm curious about the number of COVID-19 strains and how this compares to other viruses (in general, other respiratory viruses, other coronaviruses, etc.), with respect to the rate at which strains diverged and mutated to overcome immune response.
Who to trust? why don't you invite Dr. Offit and Dr. Malone to your show and have them talk out the science? Help us make an informed decision on who to trust!
Can you guys please discuss the stats we are getting from the life insurance industry. Ie 40 percent increase in all cause mortality among working age people
I felt so triggered listening to the reading of the tweet written by the Covid + doctor who had a scratchy throat! I have friends who think this way and it’s honestly exhausting and makes very little logical sense to me.
I have friends that got sick and never even got a positive covid test and still were furious at unvaccinated people. If you got your vaccines and then flew to Disneyland and spent 3 days in a crowded park then maybe, just maybe, you have some responsibility for your current state?
I had to WORK with THAT angry tweeter years ago when I was a student and she was a resident (it appears not much has changed). Her rant triggered all kinds of emotions (nightmares?) around training in a system where MALIGNANT behavior such as hers is not only tolerated, but often rewarded. Ultimately, it was strangely cathartic for me to hear VP call out her ridiculous BS last week. Unfortunately, MISinformed doctors (such as this tweeter) are spewing DISinformation to the public.. claiming authority and feeding unfounded rage, discrimination, and frankly MENTAL ILLNESS around URI’s going forward.
as a non medical person I wonder if there are five to ten key things to look for as I read a study to know if it is good/valid? I ask this because I could give people points to look at for validity with financial data so maybe this is possible for medical studies. I like watching you guys because my bias is to not trust western medicine for personal misdiagnosis in the past so nothing to do with Covid but I recognize that bias so I searched for multiple sources that seemed to ask lots of good questions rather than stating sweeping general answers with no explanation. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge with us!
I appreciate all the analysis of the two on what they choose to look. What makes me not trust them fully is based on what they don't look at like the court mandated Pfizer trail releases. And the large spikes in excess deaths in the working age population that did pretty well against covid.
You should trust the ones who have been more accurate in what they say, nearly 3 hrs in and still no sign of completion! Time to look at going off grid!!!
You guys seem to think you are so cute, the “adults in the room”, or the “moderate” voices, but there are those of us out there who have been following since the beginning. The fact is (knowingly or not) you helped propel this global crime along for far too long. Know that despite your current “moderate” and even “controversial” (by San Francisco standards) public statements (All the while appreciated and never too late), the record is there. So not so fast boys, you can’t just post your way out if this, we will remember. There are many of us that know what’s up, we won’t forget.
I saw a guy driving a golf cart, with his mask on and the plastic sides all zipped up. In 86 degrees weather. You can’t make this up. I felt sorry for him.
@39:47 Complex topic but don't forget that health care workers are people and people have opinions and they get frustrated at work. Exchange the topic of this chat from COVID to addiction and you will drastically expand the pool of health care workers with very strong opinions.
please please please address the idiotic CMS regulations for LTC-STILL hysterically testing and putting people behind plastic - yes even dementia patients. Cuz THAT works in an old building with and old HVAC that is interconnected. Yes employees need rapid AND PCR regardless of how many boosters, how many times have had covid etc.
Lost respect for VP for still collaborating with a dr. who was wrong about so many things and doesn't admit it and is now speaking as if he never said the moronic things he said.
Caught the original strain pre-vaccine. Was a little extra tired for a couple days, period. One J&J jab for me. Still testing positive antibodies 1-1/2yrs later.
Vinay - Malone has NEVER said he invented the vaccines - he was one of the patented inventors of the MRNA technology - which he has acknowledged. You are better than that.
These guys are obviously intimidated by Malone. They take cheap shots at him often because they know very few of their listeners have actually spent the time to listen to him.
@@mikev4621 Don't "check" his creds. Go watch the hundreds of interviews he has given. Very few are left on UA-cam. You need to go to other platforms. Malone is pretty much on target, much more than the clowns here.
VPs anger is righteous anger, is the same anger Jesus displayed in the face of the merchants of the temple… If a person has values and virtues it must necessarily have righteous anger and express it so that people see what’s wrong and reflect on their behavior.
I’ve been fighting for 15 years just to have a doctor refer me to a hematologist to test for neutropenia like my nephew have. I get some kind of infection 4-8 times a year, and end up in the hospital 2-5 times a year. But they say it’s all in my head. 🥴😵💫
An 8 yr old relative was at recess when the sprinklers came on. He ripped off his wet mask in order to breathe, and the teachers yelled at him to put it back on. He couldn’t breathe! So he is now 10 years old and still has an irrational fear of masking! That’s child abuse!
At least Dr John is admitting he could have been wrong . He is giving evidence on high all cause mortality now . An excess of 1000 deaths per week in the Uk . I trust Dr Malone also .
Here’s a metric to use when it comes to which “expert” to give credence too. Who’s been correct about efficacy and safety of the gene therapy? Not the same people who decided to officially change the definition of “herd immunity”, a “Vaccine”, and what defines a “pandemic” the last two years.
Just curious…have either of you seen Dr. Birx’s interviews (specifically on Neil Cavuto)? Have either of you heard/read her new book? Comments? FYI…Dr. Z being tested for Hemochromatosis. I was diagnosed years ago (at 35) and was confirmed with a liver biopsy.
Havent been on this channel in way over a year. I was curious to see if zdoc was still behind the covid shot. Havent finished the vid yet. I will have some respect for him if he did change his stance but cant overlook his blind allegiance for the shot with no data to support the conclusion (5min after the shot was out)
Care to explain why it's not relevant. Because we're if trust is what we're talking about, This is a reason why I have trust in Dr. Malone. Rational correct? So if there's something you can explain to me about that would help me to comprehend why that's not enough I'm open to hear it.
Jay is a troll, hates dr malone for some reason. I think he regrets getting the shot and 4 boosters so he is lashing out. Dont waste your time arguing with his nonsense. Ill keep him busy playing anti troll games.
@@zachh2776 man... look all those typos of mine. Lol. You're probably right Zach. I'm an open minded person and was willing to hear his reasons. But nothing. So his reply was a waste of everyone's time. Oh well. I've encountered worse. Thanks for reply Zach. Have a good night!
Check out our new Substack collaboration, Sensible Medicine: sensiblemed.substack.com/
And our VPZD Show podcast: link.chtbl.com/vpzd
Is this kind of like your medicine-focused version of The Brownstone? I know VP contributes on occasion there. Gonna check it out! 🙌🏼
I work in healthcare. When I heard other healthcare workers talking seriously about how they shouldn't have to take care of unvaccinated covid patients, I honestly thought they should lose their licenses. If you have that level of animosity for your patients, you aren't going to provide good care and you have no business being in the field.
I resigned from my RN position. I would have happily cared for the unvaccinated if it was a choice. Too bad they didn’t have an unvaccinated unit.
My friend's doctor told her to get cough drops. She's suffering from extreme fatigue after two weeks of COVID. She's the sheep that got all her shots and one booster, and this is how the hospital treats her. Cough drops.
exactly
I’m an RN who retired in 2021. I’ve listened to you all through the pandemic and I have appreciated your alt middle non political approach. You’ve helped keep me sane! I love when you and VP banter back and forth. On this episode you kept teasing that you would talk about Fauci and you never did. Please address Fauci on your next episode and the overhaul of the CDC. Love you, Z! Keep up the good work. (Also love that VP has a connection to the Hoosier state☺️)
I really enjoy you two together! I am conservative politically, in the medical field and a cancer patient. I love listening to diversity of thought from you all!
Thank you both for your sound reasoning!! I am a strong conservative from Texas. I discovered both of you early in Covid. In fact, listening to you help me decide to get the first 2 shots of the vaccine…even though I was hesitant. I appreciate how balanced you both are and sound in your thinking and reasoning. You call out all the crazy that has destroyed America for the last 2 years. Although, I’m sure we don’t align on every issue, and you both are more left leaning than I am. I appreciate that you don’t talk down to those that see things differently. If only we could all meet in the middle. Covid has polarized us into 2 camps. I have lost most of my liberal friends because they no longer are tolerant of a different view point.. keep up the good work! I love listening to your banter with one another. And thank you for not speaking down to us! And not hating on those that decide they don’t want to vaccinate or mask. I wish more left leaning people were like you. And that the right leaning would also be able to talk and reason without dividing.💗. God bless you both!
I enjoy how VP's honesty comes from so much angry speech lol. VP's anger is kinda sublime with how it gets a bit unhinged but stays balanced by so many well-reasoned views.
It's funny but full of ideas/insights that sersiously merit an official answer, like the thing about masks as another way for kids to deliberately seek school suspensions...
I'm really looking forward Sensible Medicine! Viva VPZD⚡
I honestly don't know how everyone isn't seething with rage. All it takes is to look at the percentage of kids who didn't come back to school after hurricane Katrina, and look at the direct relationship between educational attainment and life expectancy, to see that the states that kept kids out of school after the evidence was in, sentenced hundreds of thousands of children to nasty, brutish, and short lives. And likely their children too. It's multi generational harm. For nothing.
Actually, for *worse* than nothing, because many of them were shunted between parents working in the community to grandparents acting as carers. They were the vector to the most at risk generation.
I have to fight back tears of anger every time I think about it.
Thanks for the great conversation and the humor! I would really love to hear the specifics on why Malone and McCullough are wrong. I have heard you allude to it, but have never heard the details/specifics. Thank you!
I'm so happy you guys got together and are doing the VPZD Show. I hope you read this. What is different about you both is that you can be critical, while at the same time be positive.
31:00 Vinay being so passionate to the point of dropping f bombs is always fun. 3 in a row this time!
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As a physician I find it offensive and unprofessional. I don't consider it "sensible medicine". Sad to see that zdoggmd responded with a like to this comment. I really enjoy the content of the channel and encourage them to consider keeping the content "sensible" to all audiences. Remember our patients are watching these videos. There is already a severe decline in how the public views physicians... I don't think this type of language helps. I don't want to be critical but give constructive feedback that may help see another viewpoint.
I don't see it technically as dropping F-bombs, he's reading them and then referring/connecting his comments to the twitter post. (I read "dropping" to mean he's swearing because he talks like that naturally and just wants to)
@@thatswhatisaidCA @ 31 minutes he is not reading the Twitter post he is dropping "F bombs"
Being a pearl clutching nanny is what is wrong with Soccer Doctor. As long as the F bomb is appropriate, keep dropping them!
The worst words these days are slurs not bodily functions. Go read Nine Nasty Words by John McWhorter. Keeping up the F bombs if they are there for a good reason!
I work in healthcare and am spreading the word about you guys. Thank you both for all of your frank discussions
I love how you guys tangential train of thoughts go into so many places. I am high functioning ADHD, and I am pretty sure you do have all those traits!
Only 40 seconds in and I've heard enough.... Enough to know that my wishes are being answered with your new collaboration. My biggest fear with the pandemic from the very beginning was that "they" would terribly botch the response and ruin public trust in the medical and political establishment. The two of you, and Marty when he makes it have been a salve for so many of us. You're open-eyed takes on the pandemic, political tribalism and humanity have kept me sane and helped me realize that those of us that don't want to take part in the Insanity are not alone. I couldn't be happier right now! 🙏
Thank you for doing these podcasts. I appreciate the challenges to the lemming mentality.
Would you both bring Robert Malone on? Or have you asked him to come on the podcast? I would love to see that.
Or Dr Geert Vanden Bossche.
Love VP, Zdogg? But won’t name doctors, only Robert Malone 🤷♀️
Exactly. When it comes to predicting the effects of a “vaccine” on the population in the middle of a pandemic, ill tell you who’s been right this far, and it sure as hell isn’t ZDogg
"Show me data or shut the F*ck up!" Hahahahaha why I love Vinay ❤️
This.
I have movement disorders that prevent me from practicing occasional therapy. I want to get my MSW in order to become a counselor, but OR would force me to jab during my clinical, which starts during the first semester. I'm in poverty, and I'm conflicted. I hate having to choose between an unnecessary injection and poverty, especially having already recovered from COVID.
I like how both of you communicate. I don't always agree with everything you say but you do give good data and explain things well!
You are indeed the gold standard !!!! thank you so much
It is sad that I noticed several doctors including Infectious disease doctors and intensivists doctors at work especially in early pandemic spoke so negative about the unvaxed patients. Sadly, many died and likely did not get the best cares. Many nurses also talked so negative. Patients have rights regardless of their choices. Providers continue to bill patients that they don’t even see just because patients are in isolation rooms. Stop this tyranny and stop mandates. Honor Natural immunity. Follow science.
Compensate the vaccine injured!!!
You are barking up the wrong tree. Both "doctors" here are part of the problem. They just _pretend_ to care about patients.
Autocracy and rigidity are not desirable traits. It is so refreshing to listen to these two nuanced, rational men. Thank you! Astute comments on the perils of over screening.
I wish the various camps would get together and talk this out. How great would a discussion with VP Malone and Fauci be
@@jaykanta4326 Is that what Fauci told you to think? How is his credibility?
Thanks VP and Zdogg!! Really appreciate your great conversations!!!
Love the idea of sensible medicine, with a side of comedy club-worthy banter!
ZD's honesty is beyond adjectives. And walking back his categorization of a masked 20 y/o doing high intesity lifts, (from "mentally ill" to being misinformed,) I think that kind of self-moderation is peak zen-self-reliance.
GREAT JOB ZD
Really great to walk it back…as he should with many things he says that should be more well thought through to begin with.
Some superheros of sensible medicine here! Thank you for keeping it real. Love the quick and witty discussion.
Thank you! You all are the best!
Dr. Z and Dr. P, can't get a better team of docs examining what is happening in medicine right now.
Carry on you awesome docs!!
I dont know bob. They both blindly shilled the covid shot with little evidence of efficacy and side effects. They could have negatively affected the course of someones life who trust their opinions, blindly.
I always look forward to listening to your shows. Am am excited to hear about Sensible Medicine and will be following you there as well. Please bring Marty back for a show! Keep up the good work you two!
I like watching VP and ZD, but it's not just about confirmation bias. I'm an economist who has worked with doctors for many years. VP and ZD approach issues in a way that economists can respect. I'm a Bernie Sanders progressive who is somewhat anti-woke. I also like Monica Gandhi, Marty Makary, and Jay Bhattacharya. I'm generally pro-vaccine, and I'm anti-mask. I support boosters and vaccines for ages for whom data shows that the vaccine is shows efficacy. I also watch Glenn Loury's videos even though he is much more conservative than I am because he is smart and sensible, and I do agree with him on some issues.
Hang in there. There are other sensible people like you out there.
You might be my long lost twin...
I thoroughly enjoy hearing that similar minds exist. I completely agree with your every point, and can only add that I'm anti-lock downs and mandatory forced vaccinations for all as well, despite being generally pro-vaccine.
Man I love you guys honesty without taking political sides. Health should not and is not politics. The worst thing about the last 2+ years (okay maybe not the worst) is how many of us have lost faith in those in charge of health. Thankful for smart, insightful guys like you. Too bad you guys had to tip toe around "algorithms" due to dumb facto checkers and the such.
Please watch some of Dr Mobeens videos. He goes over lots of studies ! I find him trustworthy. He has always been pro vax but seems like he’s starting to turn because of current evidence.
I like both of you doctors but wonder if you still may be suffering from and little cognitive dissonance. VP you’ll go over some of these studies - but you seem to be so hesitant to come to the right conclusion about the studies you are talking about. I’d question getting the vaccine at all at this point - even the first dose now that I’m seeing some of the new studies coming out about how it’s weakening the immune system.
VP wearing a Metallica shirt makes me like him somehow even more than I did before.
Sad but true! 😛
Loganchamp, i hope he really does like metallica or he is total poser...its posh nowadays for the rap community to wear "metal" shirts for whatever reasons. To me, its ridiculous.
As a Medical Assistant In Urology Dept., I process urine, post DRE, and send off to a lab for PCA3, cancer detection -if patients opt out on prostate biopsy in clinic. Also, Exosome Diagnostics sends urine sample kits to patient's home with instructions on how to collect urine and mail back to the lab. Still best to consult with a specialist, a Urologist.
Captivating conversations, keep them coming.
My biggest issue is with people who are sick, and know they are sick, but don't care and go off to work, out to clubs, etc.
You guys are the most sensible folks around. Altmiddle with a side of irony. Even back when influenza was the main enemy I didn’t spend too much of my clinical time trying to flip patient opinion on getting their flu shot or shaming them that they’d give it to their family /friends. And I got monthly panel grades on it. Really at this point what’s the difference ?
Z Dogg is on point with his discussions on the necessity of meditation and spiritual matters in understanding the self. I appreciate this brother !
Great episode as always. You two help me get through the crazy times here in Australia
If the medical establishment really wanted to have a positive impact, they'd ensure that all of their publications were in open-access journals. I volunteer in EMS and I pretty much have no access to the latest research because nobody can afford journal subscriptions.
Open access is expensive to publish in though. It's really not ideal.
I trust Z because I’ve been watching for years. You admit when you’re wrong. You explain nuance.
Vinay I trust because Z trusts him. Vinay reads the studies and clearly explains the studies.
That’s the brief of it.
PS I hated, “Atlas Shrugged.” I’ve been a truck driver for years and listened to the 62cd unabridged novel. I looked up Randy as I listened and learned a little of her philosophy allegedly based in reality, and then listened to that BS. A plane flies into capitalist Shangri La! A weapon that only kills at a couple of hundred yards! AND was barely guarded! A young man shot in the chest gives a half hour death bed dissertation on the greatness of John Galt philosophy!! Of course I wad much older than y’all were when y’all read it. I also read extensively into history and current events.
Another excellent episode. I'll be subscribing to sensible medicine.
Love the sensible medicine concept! Would be happy to share from a integrative pain management approach.
Pain is an incredible unifier that brings so many fields of medicine and therefore so many aspects of health systems and policies to the forefront.
I love Vinay!!!!
The two of you together are also a breath of fresh air!
Well, I'm a ZDogg supporter, but VP is my true medical crush.
VP is on point with his criticism of Fauci and I really appreciate this. Yes term limits for people in leadership no doubt. New blood is needed.
@ZD - you ask how can you/sensible medicine unwind/untangle the issues of confirmation bias/trustworthiness - I think you have to start with the things you consider/look at to define trustworthiness and rationale. For me, a big part of this is how folk seek and judge evidence, and importantly how clearly and accurately they express their judgements. You have to get the folk you want to reach to consider how they want to arrive at a view and justify that approach. I watched on after you asked this question and Vinay says something similar.
I’m a nurse, I would never take a vaccine, but I love your shows, especially with VP ❤️
Lol the JayTroll strikes again. What # booster are u up to jaytroll?
@@jaykanta4326 I would never take the COVID vaccine or the flu vaccine. I've taken everything else. No unfortunately I'm not lying LOL!
@@jaykanta4326 there are many of us nurses who refused to be experimented on or to give the shots. We did however care for Covid patients
There's one specialty from whom I would have loved to hear more, virologists. I'm curious about the number of COVID-19 strains and how this compares to other viruses (in general, other respiratory viruses, other coronaviruses, etc.), with respect to the rate at which strains diverged and mutated to overcome immune response.
Would you have Dr. Pierre Kory on?
Excellent guys!! Looking forward to some sensible medicine!!
Who to trust? why don't you invite Dr. Offit and Dr. Malone to your show and have them talk out the science? Help us make an informed decision on who to trust!
Not likely- I think it would become obvious that Malone knows his stuff and has forgotten more about epidemiology than ZDogg currently knows.
To be fair, dr. Offit does go on ZD’s show. But it would be great to actually have a panel of people together who disagree
Dr. Malone owns the patent.
@@jaykanta4326 so he’s not a clown? Maybe ZDogg should stop defaming him and enter into a good faith debate.
@@jaykanta4326 "Debate is not how science is done." Wow. You must believe in Anthony Fauci. Fauci is your god.
Can you guys please discuss the stats we are getting from the life insurance industry. Ie 40 percent increase in all cause mortality among working age people
Naaaa, it doesnt fit their "covid shot good" narative.
I felt so triggered listening to the reading of the tweet written by the Covid + doctor who had a scratchy throat! I have friends who think this way and it’s honestly exhausting and makes very little logical sense to me.
I have friends that got sick and never even got a positive covid test and still were furious at unvaccinated people. If you got your vaccines and then flew to Disneyland and spent 3 days in a crowded park then maybe, just maybe, you have some responsibility for your current state?
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I had to WORK with THAT angry tweeter years ago when I was a student and she was a resident (it appears not much has changed). Her rant triggered all kinds of emotions (nightmares?) around training in a system where MALIGNANT behavior such as hers is not only tolerated, but often rewarded. Ultimately, it was strangely cathartic for me to hear VP call out her ridiculous BS last week. Unfortunately, MISinformed doctors (such as this tweeter) are spewing DISinformation to the public.. claiming authority and feeding unfounded rage, discrimination, and frankly MENTAL ILLNESS around URI’s going forward.
Vinay, love the Metallica t-shirt!! Thanks again you two!! Spot on as always!!
as a non medical person I wonder if there are five to ten key things to look for as I read a study to know if it is good/valid? I ask this because I could give people points to look at for validity with financial data so maybe this is possible for medical studies. I like watching you guys because my bias is to not trust western medicine for personal misdiagnosis in the past so nothing to do with Covid but I recognize that bias so I searched for multiple sources that seemed to ask lots of good questions rather than stating sweeping general answers with no explanation. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge with us!
Top notch banter boys. Good to feel sane.
I appreciate all the analysis of the two on what they choose to look. What makes me not trust them fully is based on what they don't look at like the court mandated Pfizer trail releases. And the large spikes in excess deaths in the working age population that did pretty well against covid.
Thanks!
I really enjoyed your vlog , thank you Drs !
Aaw, that was so sweet to see Vinay momentarily switch to clinician-mode about ZDogg's ferritin levels :-).
One thing about Malone, he doesn't mock anyone.
Probably because he aspires to be a scientist and not a UA-cam influencer.
@@michaelhimes8778 So to be a UA-cam influencer you have to mock people?
@@jaykanta4326 Uh, because those drugs actually work. Do you get your medical information from fake media???
Jay Troll!!! Sup bud
You should trust the ones who have been more accurate in what they say, nearly 3 hrs in and still no sign of completion! Time to look at going off grid!!!
Just sayin’…doesn’t everybody think that they’re the “sensible” one?
I don’t think I’m sensible (some of the time).
I know many people who admit to being irrational
Thanks
You guys seem to think you are so cute, the “adults in the room”, or the “moderate” voices, but there are those of us out there who have been following since the beginning. The fact is (knowingly or not) you helped propel this global crime along for far too long. Know that despite your current “moderate” and even “controversial” (by San Francisco standards) public statements (All the while appreciated and never too late), the record is there. So not so fast boys, you can’t just post your way out if this, we will remember. There are many of us that know what’s up, we won’t forget.
I saw a guy driving a golf cart, with his mask on and the plastic sides all zipped up. In 86 degrees weather.
You can’t make this up.
I felt sorry for him.
People who rule by fear always move the goal post to keep those they seek to control in perpetual fear.
Exactly. I know this to be true because I have anxiety and my brain constantly moves the goal posts for when I will "feel safe".
@39:47
Complex topic but don't forget that health care workers are people and people have opinions and they get frustrated at work. Exchange the topic of this chat from COVID to addiction and you will drastically expand the pool of health care workers with very strong opinions.
please please please address the idiotic CMS regulations for LTC-STILL hysterically testing and putting people behind plastic - yes even dementia patients. Cuz THAT works in an old building with and old HVAC that is interconnected. Yes employees need rapid AND PCR regardless of how many boosters, how many times have had covid etc.
I work in LTC and yes I’m waiting for this to be addressed as well!!
Yes!
Lost respect for VP for still collaborating with a dr. who was wrong about so many things and doesn't admit it and is now speaking as if he never said the moronic things he said.
And justice for all !! V P rock on !!!
Caught covid this week (pfizer vaxed + boosted) Had 1 night of fever, 2 days of dry cough... Daily hot curry + whiskey = feeling better already ;p
Interesting, no vaxx for me and I had the same experience minus the curry and whiskey.
No vax and same experience. I caught covid from a triple jabbed friend who became sicker than me.
Whiskey & Tequila always effective 😂
Not vaxxed and same happened to me minus the cough. Curry was delicious though 😋
Caught the original strain pre-vaccine. Was a little extra tired for a couple days, period. One J&J jab for me. Still testing positive antibodies 1-1/2yrs later.
Love the show, long time listener.
So happy I’m not on Twitter and Vinay, you look hot in the Metallica t-shirt
Awesome show
River Blindness is a good name for a craft beer, too.
Done
Vinay - Malone has NEVER said he invented the vaccines - he was one of the patented inventors of the MRNA technology - which he has acknowledged. You are better than that.
These guys are obviously intimidated by Malone. They take cheap shots at him often because they know very few of their listeners have actually spent the time to listen to him.
@@jaykanta4326 thanks for the tip. You’re really smart.
@@jaykanta4326 didn't Sagan popularise that one ?
@@jaykanta4326 I'm not from the US so hadn't heard of Mr Malone.I'll check his creds
@@mikev4621 Don't "check" his creds. Go watch the hundreds of interviews he has given. Very few are left on UA-cam. You need to go to other platforms. Malone is pretty much on target, much more than the clowns here.
How many boosters is it safe for me to get? Do we have any data on that? I don't want a scratchy throat, can I get a booster every month?
We could put you on a drip : )
VPs anger is righteous anger, is the same anger Jesus displayed in the face of the merchants of the temple… If a person has values and virtues it must necessarily have righteous anger and express it so that people see what’s wrong and reflect on their behavior.
T-Shirt game is FIRE VINAY!!! Also, love you Dr Z!!!
Why is his t shirt game fire?
I’ve been fighting for 15 years just to have a doctor refer me to a hematologist to test for neutropenia like my nephew have. I get some kind of infection 4-8 times a year, and end up in the hospital 2-5 times a year. But they say it’s all in my head. 🥴😵💫
Love the "Metallica" t-shirt. Boss!
An 8 yr old relative was at recess when the sprinklers came on. He ripped off his wet mask in order to breathe, and the teachers yelled at him to put it back on. He couldn’t breathe! So he is now 10 years old and still has an irrational fear of masking! That’s child abuse!
Love your channel!
Are you guys familiar with Dr John Campbell from the UK? His channel is amazing in terms of internal moral consistency and evidence based.
At least Dr John is admitting he could have been wrong .
He is giving evidence on high all cause mortality now .
An excess of 1000 deaths per week in the Uk .
I trust Dr Malone also .
I learned the real meaning of Terrific today
Guert vandendaush?? Saw escape variants and zdogg mocked him.
@@jaykanta4326 do these vaccines still work on the current strain? Has there been a proliferation of new variants that "escape" the vaccines?
Dr Geert Vanden Bossche.
why is paul offit still pushing for physician vaccine mandates? -JC
I just wish we had 100 bucks a month health coverage.
VP has always been objective throughout.......ZD.........mmmm
ZD was cocky and arrogant at the beginning then life humbled him.
Vinay ALWAYS WITH THE RAD SHIRTS!!!
Look at the censorship that went on Z !
“We have the moral obligation to mock bad ideas. The absurd has only become sacred because it hasnt been sufficiently mocked.” - @beechief
My gym STILL has a mask mandate... No way am I going back until I can do so without a mask! (I canceled my membership because I wasn't going).
Here’s a metric to use when it comes to which “expert” to give credence too.
Who’s been correct about efficacy and safety of the gene therapy?
Not the same people who decided to officially change the definition of “herd immunity”, a “Vaccine”, and what defines a “pandemic” the last two years.
Just curious…have either of you seen Dr. Birx’s interviews (specifically on Neil Cavuto)? Have either of you heard/read her new book? Comments? FYI…Dr. Z being tested for Hemochromatosis. I was diagnosed years ago (at 35) and was confirmed with a liver biopsy.
"Randomize or STFU." and "But, I sat by the door!" Please make t-shirts to match!
Havent been on this channel in way over a year. I was curious to see if zdoc was still behind the covid shot. Havent finished the vid yet. I will have some respect for him if he did change his stance but cant overlook his blind allegiance for the shot with no data to support the conclusion (5min after the shot was out)
VPZD!!!!!!
Robert Malone owns the patent...
@@jaykanta4326 so what? You tell me. You could've done hat in the same repy. So go ahead. I'm listening.... reading....
Nevermore. I read your other reply.
Care to explain why it's not relevant. Because we're if trust is what we're talking about, This is a reason why I have trust in Dr. Malone. Rational correct? So if there's something you can explain to me about that would help me to comprehend why that's not enough I'm open to hear it.
Jay is a troll, hates dr malone for some reason. I think he regrets getting the shot and 4 boosters so he is lashing out. Dont waste your time arguing with his nonsense. Ill keep him busy playing anti troll games.
@@zachh2776 man... look all those typos of mine. Lol. You're probably right Zach. I'm an open minded person and was willing to hear his reasons. But nothing. So his reply was a waste of everyone's time. Oh well. I've encountered worse. Thanks for reply Zach. Have a good night!