I have to agree with everything said here. I use Safari almost exclusively and enjoy the password synchronization or just general ease of use. On rare occasions I may fire up Chrome to work around a web site that doesn't work well in Safari -- usually the web developer was lazy and never tested their site against Safari. In fact, I will sometimes use Safari to access a service that has an app if the service has both web and app access, just because the web portal exposes more features than the app.
Edge got a lot better then it used to be but imo still doesn’t touch chrome for windows. I used it for a week and was initially impressed from the improvements as it used to be terrible but I ended up going back to chrome.
I totally agree with you . However i know a lot of mac users that still uses catalina Os and cant upgrade safari due to Apple greedy practices and unfortunately they have to change browsers. Me personally i dont like Chrome at all . I found Opera to be more slick looking and safer.
Ye.. until mega and some other services says “download another browser” aaaa if only safari didnt sucked in compatibility it would be great aaaa If you have ram issues just use brave or firefox :/ if you want reliability use chrome (On macos ofc, on mobile every browser is just a fork of safari…)
It's very personal, but do we really need that much extensions? Aside from Ad Blockers and tools against trackers, we probably load our browsers with too much useless extensions.
@@kafeelzargar as I said, it’s very personal. I review those installed on my browser quite regularly, and most often than not I end up removing them. I kept very few I deem necessary. But to each his own.
I have just returned to using a Mac. I am very invested in Chrome and I am having issues with finding extensions for Safari that are in my Chrome. Plus I run an Android phone so syncing is paramount to my productivity. Would love to see a Chrome user changeover video. Thanks for this information.
When I switched from linux to macOS a few years ago I made a point to stick with the stock apps as much as possible and am glad I did. At first, Safari was a problem since the majority of ad blockers available for it are terrible at blocking ads at best, and I suspect nefarious at worst. Wipr is the only one that works well (including blocking UA-cam ads....sorry!). That said, for work I use MS Edge browser. Microsoft web apps, which is what my employer uses, as well as lots of other SaaS apps, do not work well with Safari or non-chrome browsers. But for regular browsing - Safari all day. Only problem I find with it is that my credit union uses a 3rd party d bill pay service, so I have to temporarily disable cross-site tracking to get that frame to load. Minor inconvenience. Honestly, I don't understand why people would buy mac hardware just to install Chrome/Firefox, Microsoft Office, etc. on it. While Apple hardware is clearly better than anything else out there for the price, if I wanted to run non-Apple software primarily then I'd just go back to linux and use commodity hardware.
The big appeal to using a non-safari web browser on a Mac would probably be cross compatibility. If you’re switching between windows, Linux, and macOS occasionally it helps to have a cross platform browser like Firefox. It allows for syncing of passwords and bookmarks. If you’re only using macOS and an iPhone, I could see a desire to use Safari.
There are MANY reasons why one would want to run non-Apple software in an Apple device. - Privacy: Brave by default or Firefox well configured are more private than Safari can ever be - Ad blocking: uBlock Origin blocks ads before they showed while in Safari they are hidden but were loaded by the network - Cross-platform: Safari only runs in Apple devices. If you use Windows, Android tablet or phones as well as your Apple devices, you have better cross-platform experience with Chrome, Firefox, Edge, etc. - Open source: If you prefer to use open source software such as Firefox. Safari is closed source. - Compartmentalise/Containerisation: If you prefer to have different browsers for different purposes, be it for organisation, privacy or security.
@@Manuel-rl6um based on your use case you should be running linux. While you might want to run it on the better hardware that Apple provides, it's not worth the hassle IMO. Linux is simply a better OS for all of those things you want to do primarily on a computer. If the majority of my browsing or things I did on my computer were, and privacy was a major concern, then linux is the only choice.
@@LearnAtMyExpense it's not my use case. But I see why other people might want to use non-Apple software with Apple hardware. Regardless, you don't have to use Linux to have privacy. Privacy is a spectrum, it's not all or nothing. You don't have to have a Pixel with GrapheneOS to have privacy, you can still have some privacy with Apple hardware + software or Apple hardware + 3rd party software. Heck, if you love Google software, you still can benefit from configuring Chrome and Google software to collect less data, no ads, etc etc. Then there is the cross-platform. There are people that prefer iPhone but uses Windows as their main desktop OS for work or gaming. There are other people that prefer Android phones but use MacOS because of their M processor, build quality or whatever reason. These people will benefit from using software that can be used regardless of their platform of choice. You might also value Open Source software at all but really love Apple hardware. And use open source software with Apple hardware. Why not? Who can tell these people they should go all in into Apple walled garden or else go somewhere else? That's my honest opinion.
As a web developer I can just say: PLEASE use Chrome! The amount of stupid Safari bugs I have to fix every day is insane. OR if you're using Safari please don't be suprised when websites don't work as expected
as a developer shouldn't it be expected of you to make your website compatible with most browsers, instead of expecting your users to use only your preferred one?
@@tuvu8394 Yes, that's true, and I make sure all my websites are compatible with Safari, but you have no idea how painful it can be. Even with all the testing I do, sometimes a bug slips through. From a user perspective, I wouldn't recommend Safari to anyone because you'll occasionally encounter issues that only happen in Safari. I'm fortunate to use a Mac, so I can test it natively within Safari, but many web developers don't have that option. That leaves them with two choices: 1) Skip testing their website in Safari (which many developers do), or 2) Pay $100 per month for a testing tool.
Most of these features are only relevant if you have an iPad, iPhone etc already. Also UA-cam 4K 60fps content drops every other frame on Safari (i.e stuttery mess). The same videos are fine on Chrome.
I wish I could use Safari since I like its look so much more than Chrome's. Unfortunately, a third-party Chrome is better optimized for MacOS than Apple's own browser. I'll repeat this unbelievable statement. Chrome is better optimized for Mac (!). I witnessed multiple times Safari failing to recognize MacOS's own text replacement templates while on Chome (on the very same websites) they work 100% of the time. It's ridiculous. And if you leave some tabs open for a while on Safari, in about 30-40 minutes they start bloating the RAM, memory pressure becomes yellow, then red, then it's time to reboot. :) Chrome keeps tabs consuming as little memory as a website's content allows and the memory pressure never leaves the green zone.
I use Safari on my iPad and iMac as much as possible. But every now and then I come across a web site that simply doesn’t work well with Safari. Not sure if this is nonstandard stuff being used by the web site that Chrome happens to support or something else, but I have Chrome on all of my Apple devices as I need it now and then. I try to avoid all things Google, but sometimes that isn’t possible.
So useful! I thought there might have been something wonky with Safari, as I was having trouble entering data in some web pages... You made sure I'd stay a Safari guy!
I've changed my mind several times over the many years I've used a Mac as to which is the best browser, and I've come to the same conclusion as you present in this video. But you highlighted some additional benefits of Safari that I hadn't thought about. So thanks!
Despite passing Apple ID security, Apple have no solution for restoring the password for their network diagnostics. I purchased alot of expensive equipment from them that I never got to use. Gr8 video though and obviously a wonderful product if you can get past the security!
Thanks for video. I've never understood point about Safari 'lean' memory consumption. 1) Don't know why, but actually it is significant! Each tab (especially 'heavy' like UA-cam) eats ~ 1gig of RAM while Chrome about 200 mibs. 2) Cache! Even when i've turned it off in developer mode, cache on each tab is enormous. And only one way to clean it - explicitly click cmd+opt+E.
And so fast i have to disagree. A really important feature for me is the adblock-opportunity. UA-cam can detect adblockers now, but Total-Adblock for Chrome just doesn't get detected
I use Safari with private relay turned on. I can’t believe how many people use Chrome. I was at IU IT the other day, and the tech said “I recommend you use chrome” I replied “I don’t want spyware on my computer” it’s so streamlined everyone uses it. But very intrusive a zoom hyperlink kept loading on my Mac launchpad until I deleted the Chrome browser.
Warning, Microsoft tried to force me to purchase Microsoft 365 in order to continue using Outlook. I ended up creating another Gmail account. I am currently unemployed and cannot afford to purchase 365. I hate Microsoft. I miss my iPhone & iPad.
I use anything but safari. It seams like if your MACOS is more than 2 years old i get messages that my browser is out of date please upgrade. Which means i have to stop an upgrade the whole OS. Nope… i may be exaggerating a little but you get the point.
I use Safari often, the only thing that keeps it making it my main browser are valid extensions. Its just better with chrome. I still use Safari for mild tasks.
I second you, most of the task can be done with Safari. I am trying to switch as well, however, Arc seems to be little too good. Nevertheless, its still Google beneath everything.@@nicolasb.henry294
@@cultofmac I was messing around with the settings and I did notice that. I was using Edge. It does run better on Mac compared to windows machines imo. Overall, Safari is much better. It runs so much smoother and not as glitchy. I’m still learning how to use it though. The thing I hate the most is when I open up Safari it doesn’t fill the whole screen. I have to keep pressing the green dot to expand it, it’s annoying as hell. Hopefully one day the Apple guys will give safari a more modern look.
Been using safari for years, it’s been wonderful. Chrome is a nightmare, I don’t even know where to start. Just basics guys, remember where pinned tabs should be…..pinned!!!!! And I’m not insane enough to use the mother of tracking browsers. No biometric support…no tabbed groups, the list goes on.
@@GenX_US_Marine It uses free memory to cache objects so you don't have to redownload them. People sure do like to complain about the parts in their computers being used to do the thing they are supposed to do. This is like buying a car then getting mad that you have to drive somewhere instead of being able to walk. Most computers these days can support well over 100 GB of RAM. If you like seeing unused resources, install more RAM.
Old comment but I’ve always wondered: how has safari not mastered filling out my email or credit card information. Ridiculous I still have to type that all in.
Safari is my default.....except for watching UA-cam. My Safari is horrible on UA-cam
My favorite feature of Chrome is the hype that it is the best browser.
I love safari
I have to agree with everything said here. I use Safari almost exclusively and enjoy the password synchronization or just general ease of use. On rare occasions I may fire up Chrome to work around a web site that doesn't work well in Safari -- usually the web developer was lazy and never tested their site against Safari. In fact, I will sometimes use Safari to access a service that has an app if the service has both web and app access, just because the web portal exposes more features than the app.
I only use Safari on Mac. Edge on Windows. Occasionally Firefox on Windows. Chrome isn’t the be all end all anymore that it was years ago for Windows.
Edge got a lot better then it used to be but imo still doesn’t touch chrome for windows. I used it for a week and was initially impressed from the improvements as it used to be terrible but I ended up going back to chrome.
Unfortunately the Safari's UI is dated and unusable, and extension support pitiful.
I use a combination of Edge and Safari.
I totally agree with you . However i know a lot of mac users that still uses catalina Os and cant upgrade safari due to Apple greedy practices and unfortunately they have to change browsers. Me personally i dont like Chrome at all . I found Opera to be more slick looking and safer.
Ye.. until mega and some other services says “download another browser” aaaa if only safari didnt sucked in compatibility it would be great aaaa
If you have ram issues just use brave or firefox :/ if you want reliability use chrome
(On macos ofc, on mobile every browser is just a fork of safari…)
What about extensions..Safari is too limited in extensions
It's very personal, but do we really need that much extensions? Aside from Ad Blockers and tools against trackers, we probably load our browsers with too much useless extensions.
@@casquefer of course we need extensions when you understand how wonderful and productive some of the extensions really are
@@kafeelzargar as I said, it’s very personal. I review those installed on my browser quite regularly, and most often than not I end up removing them. I kept very few I deem necessary. But to each his own.
I have just returned to using a Mac. I am very invested in Chrome and I am having issues with finding extensions for Safari that are in my Chrome. Plus I run an Android phone so syncing is paramount to my productivity. Would love to see a Chrome user changeover video. Thanks for this information.
When I switched from linux to macOS a few years ago I made a point to stick with the stock apps as much as possible and am glad I did. At first, Safari was a problem since the majority of ad blockers available for it are terrible at blocking ads at best, and I suspect nefarious at worst. Wipr is the only one that works well (including blocking UA-cam ads....sorry!). That said, for work I use MS Edge browser. Microsoft web apps, which is what my employer uses, as well as lots of other SaaS apps, do not work well with Safari or non-chrome browsers. But for regular browsing - Safari all day. Only problem I find with it is that my credit union uses a 3rd party d bill pay service, so I have to temporarily disable cross-site tracking to get that frame to load. Minor inconvenience. Honestly, I don't understand why people would buy mac hardware just to install Chrome/Firefox, Microsoft Office, etc. on it. While Apple hardware is clearly better than anything else out there for the price, if I wanted to run non-Apple software primarily then I'd just go back to linux and use commodity hardware.
I switch to Apple ecosystem and I can say that Safari is by far better than Chrome.
The big appeal to using a non-safari web browser on a Mac would probably be cross compatibility. If you’re switching between windows, Linux, and macOS occasionally it helps to have a cross platform browser like Firefox. It allows for syncing of passwords and bookmarks. If you’re only using macOS and an iPhone, I could see a desire to use Safari.
There are MANY reasons why one would want to run non-Apple software in an Apple device.
- Privacy: Brave by default or Firefox well configured are more private than Safari can ever be
- Ad blocking: uBlock Origin blocks ads before they showed while in Safari they are hidden but were loaded by the network
- Cross-platform: Safari only runs in Apple devices. If you use Windows, Android tablet or phones as well as your Apple devices, you have better cross-platform experience with Chrome, Firefox, Edge, etc.
- Open source: If you prefer to use open source software such as Firefox. Safari is closed source.
- Compartmentalise/Containerisation: If you prefer to have different browsers for different purposes, be it for organisation, privacy or security.
@@Manuel-rl6um based on your use case you should be running linux. While you might want to run it on the better hardware that Apple provides, it's not worth the hassle IMO. Linux is simply a better OS for all of those things you want to do primarily on a computer. If the majority of my browsing or things I did on my computer were, and privacy was a major concern, then linux is the only choice.
@@LearnAtMyExpense it's not my use case. But I see why other people might want to use non-Apple software with Apple hardware.
Regardless, you don't have to use Linux to have privacy. Privacy is a spectrum, it's not all or nothing. You don't have to have a Pixel with GrapheneOS to have privacy, you can still have some privacy with Apple hardware + software or Apple hardware + 3rd party software. Heck, if you love Google software, you still can benefit from configuring Chrome and Google software to collect less data, no ads, etc etc.
Then there is the cross-platform.
There are people that prefer iPhone but uses Windows as their main desktop OS for work or gaming.
There are other people that prefer Android phones but use MacOS because of their M processor, build quality or whatever reason. These people will benefit from using software that can be used regardless of their platform of choice.
You might also value Open Source software at all but really love Apple hardware. And use open source software with Apple hardware. Why not? Who can tell these people they should go all in into Apple walled garden or else go somewhere else?
That's my honest opinion.
As a web developer I can just say: PLEASE use Chrome! The amount of stupid Safari bugs I have to fix every day is insane. OR if you're using Safari please don't be suprised when websites don't work as expected
as a developer shouldn't it be expected of you to make your website compatible with most browsers, instead of expecting your users to use only your preferred one?
@@tuvu8394 Yes, that's true, and I make sure all my websites are compatible with Safari, but you have no idea how painful it can be. Even with all the testing I do, sometimes a bug slips through. From a user perspective, I wouldn't recommend Safari to anyone because you'll occasionally encounter issues that only happen in Safari. I'm fortunate to use a Mac, so I can test it natively within Safari, but many web developers don't have that option. That leaves them with two choices: 1) Skip testing their website in Safari (which many developers do), or 2) Pay $100 per month for a testing tool.
Most of these features are only relevant if you have an iPad, iPhone etc already. Also UA-cam 4K 60fps content drops every other frame on Safari (i.e stuttery mess). The same videos are fine on Chrome.
Chrome and Safari run on the same engine on iOS. It pretty much doesn't matter what you use on iOS, you are still using Safari. Because Apple.
I wish I could use Safari since I like its look so much more than Chrome's. Unfortunately, a third-party Chrome is better optimized for MacOS than Apple's own browser. I'll repeat this unbelievable statement. Chrome is better optimized for Mac (!). I witnessed multiple times Safari failing to recognize MacOS's own text replacement templates while on Chome (on the very same websites) they work 100% of the time. It's ridiculous. And if you leave some tabs open for a while on Safari, in about 30-40 minutes they start bloating the RAM, memory pressure becomes yellow, then red, then it's time to reboot. :) Chrome keeps tabs consuming as little memory as a website's content allows and the memory pressure never leaves the green zone.
IF ONLY SAFARI allows to import bookmark from chrome ON IPHONE, then i guess il staying with chrome
I use Safari on my iPad and iMac as much as possible. But every now and then I come across a web site that simply doesn’t work well with Safari. Not sure if this is nonstandard stuff being used by the web site that Chrome happens to support or something else, but I have Chrome on all of my Apple devices as I need it now and then. I try to avoid all things Google, but sometimes that isn’t possible.
''I try avoid everything google'' and u commented on youtube
@@Dawit3 He/she implemented this word: "try" and continued with "but sometimes that isn't possible"
UA-cam live chat does not work on Safari.
So useful! I thought there might have been something wonky with Safari, as I was having trouble entering data in some web pages... You made sure I'd stay a Safari guy!
I've changed my mind several times over the many years I've used a Mac as to which is the best browser, and I've come to the same conclusion as you present in this video. But you highlighted some additional benefits of Safari that I hadn't thought about. So thanks!
I am waiting for Vivaldi browser on iOS 😊
Safari won't open "sponsored sites" and became terribly inconvenient to use so I use Google and my searches are not constantly interrupted
Safari is a lot faster and I like it more than chrome but I have a windows PC as well so I cant replace it entirely
What about Brave, Duck Duck Go, etc for privacy concerns?
I read a study that safari is very private like brave. Makes sense with it being an apple product
No one actually gives a damn about your privacy. That's their marketing words to make you use their browser
Despite passing Apple ID security, Apple have no solution for restoring the password for their network diagnostics. I purchased alot of expensive equipment from them that I never got to use. Gr8 video though and obviously a wonderful product if you can get past the security!
What I’ve noticed is that people don’t realize safari has extensions.
Nonsense, is exactly the opposite, chrome is faster. Thats the fact.
Great Video , very useful thanks.
what we learned: it is designed for macos/ios and that it uses iCloud
Thanks for video.
I've never understood point about Safari 'lean' memory consumption.
1) Don't know why, but actually it is significant! Each tab (especially 'heavy' like UA-cam) eats ~ 1gig of RAM while Chrome about 200 mibs.
2) Cache! Even when i've turned it off in developer mode, cache on each tab is enormous. And only one way to clean it - explicitly click cmd+opt+E.
Maybe only youtube is more efficient on Chrome. I've now tried with Netflix for example and it's better using Safari.
@@robertodimolfetta5505 it probably depends on with website it is. But netflix uses a lot of memory because drm adds to it and the higher quality.
My mac won't run Sonoma, so this post is inutile for me.
Learned something. Thanks
And so fast i have to disagree. A really important feature for me is the adblock-opportunity. UA-cam can detect adblockers now, but Total-Adblock for Chrome just doesn't get detected
Vinegar, a Safari extension for iPhone and Mac, does the same. And it enables picture-in-picture and background play
2:50 😂😂😂😂 the build-up to this point meanwhile Google 😂😂😂
I use Safari with private relay turned on. I can’t believe how many people use Chrome. I was at IU IT the other day, and the tech said “I recommend you use chrome” I replied “I don’t want spyware on my computer” it’s so streamlined everyone uses it. But very intrusive a zoom hyperlink kept loading on my Mac launchpad until I deleted the Chrome browser.
I have been using Safari for ages on iPad but suddenly it will not support outlook so I will have to change.
Warning, Microsoft tried to force me to purchase Microsoft 365 in order to continue using Outlook. I ended up creating another Gmail account. I am currently unemployed and cannot afford to purchase 365. I hate Microsoft. I miss my iPhone & iPad.
I use anything but safari. It seams like if your MACOS is more than 2 years old i get messages that my browser is out of date please upgrade. Which means i have to stop an upgrade the whole OS. Nope… i may be exaggerating a little but you get the point.
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I use Safari often, the only thing that keeps it making it my main browser are valid extensions. Its just better with chrome.
I still use Safari for mild tasks.
Safari is better than Chrome I take care about my privacy and Google is terrible when it comes to this
I second you, most of the task can be done with Safari. I am trying to switch as well, however, Arc seems to be little too good. Nevertheless, its still Google beneath everything.@@nicolasb.henry294
Safari ftw
🤚👍❤️🙏
I'm not a tech person at all. When I open Safari, which search engine do I use?
Google is still the default search engine in Safari.
@@cultofmac I was messing around with the settings and I did notice that. I was using Edge. It does run better on Mac compared to windows machines imo. Overall, Safari is much better. It runs so much smoother and not as glitchy. I’m still learning how to use it though. The thing I hate the most is when I open up Safari it doesn’t fill the whole screen. I have to keep pressing the green dot to expand it, it’s annoying as hell. Hopefully one day the Apple guys will give safari a more modern look.
@@cultofmacmine keeps automatically searching on google how do I fix ? to search on safari instead ?
Been using safari for years, it’s been wonderful. Chrome is a nightmare, I don’t even know where to start. Just basics guys, remember where pinned tabs should be…..pinned!!!!! And I’m not insane enough to use the mother of tracking browsers. No biometric support…no tabbed groups, the list goes on.
The amount of features and ease of use of Chrome way surpasses Safari
I hate chrome, it’s a memory hog
@@GenX_US_Marine It uses free memory to cache objects so you don't have to redownload them. People sure do like to complain about the parts in their computers being used to do the thing they are supposed to do. This is like buying a car then getting mad that you have to drive somewhere instead of being able to walk. Most computers these days can support well over 100 GB of RAM. If you like seeing unused resources, install more RAM.
Can I transfer bookmarks from chrome to safari?
Safari sucks. Constantly lagging
bro, what mac do u have?
@@secRaphyTwin Macbook Pro. 2018
@@rushfanjames2112Speaks volumes. Update to M1 and you'll see the difference.
@@thepunisher8649 Was thinkin same 👍🏽
Lookin at the M3 MB Pro.
Safari sucks at filling out forms, where Chrome really shines.
Old comment but I’ve always wondered: how has safari not mastered filling out my email or credit card information. Ridiculous I still have to type that all in.
@@TomAZ1984Exactly.
Agree