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RED V-Raptor vs BMCC6K FF
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- Опубліковано 29 лют 2024
- Cam A : BMCC 6K FF
Cam B : Red V-Raptor 8K
Lenses used : Tokina Vista Prime 50mm & Leica Summicron 35mm 2.0 (same lens used in each shot)
Rec709
All clips filmed in RAW
Red has in my opinion better IQ and it is what I expected but I think BMCC6K is a great value for the money you pay - you get a great camera and a beautiful screen with a great IQ and dynamic range.
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BMCC 6K FF is stunning !
it is looking good I agree
That's really interesting. Looking for the first time I was slightly more impressed by the image coming out of Cam A and was convinced that was the RED footage. It's just as good when looking at it second time around. Quite incredible when you think about what's going on here...
Incredible product by blackmagic. Once they come out with the pro version with the ND I am ready to purchase it as my everyday camera
Thank you for this great demo. Footage looks great on both cameras.
I agree. it looks great on both. raptor has more frame rates but the footage, colors and the dynamic range on bmcc6k is amazing
The overall look (dynamic range, highlights rolloff, motion cadence) is much better on the red, but in most cases I prefer the colours from the Blackmagic. Great test, thanks for sharing!
I love my Raptor 😍 But the form factor of the BMCC and the included screen makes it just perfect camera for some important aplications (when you dont want to draw any attention while shooting when traveling as an example)
I guessed wrong lol. Nicely done
☺️👍🏻 yes the IQ is close.. Thank you
Me too. And I own a Bmcc6k
@@thiagolimadop same here ! but image is too close, a couple shots i preferer B, but others, i prefer A. Image is so close, you match in post pretty easily, both can be used together for sure !
Objectively... both look stunning. I was unable to make a difinitive guess. Take into acct BM Raw vs Red color science and the subtle differences could be attributed to color management and grading. Shooting LUTS or ? Nice job. I've owned the BMPCC 6K since its beginning & I just purchased the BMCC 6K for some indie work. My 40+ career has been shooting for studios in L.A. with top equip. I'm amazed at the quality and affordability of great gear over the last few years.
Sony venice or Red raptor, which one do you recommend based on your experience?
I actually guessed correctly. Only because; I look at motion cadence when comparing cameras. It hard to see, but RED has a frame pacing that looks like film. Other Senors, when objects move in frame, the have a digital stuttering. It tough to see if you don't look for it.
Also HIgh-light roll-off and contrast profiles on the RED are more pleasing.
So if i was going to buy one it would be the BMCC 6k.
the pocket version with the NDs is something I also do consider. i will be making a new comparison and I will test the motion as well
At the beginning, I was in love with Cam A, but since the exterior shots, I preferred Cam B (both look just damn great). However, that slight tint in skin tone and blacks to green of BM just didn't catch me! I mean, it's still a great image, and maybe something you could fix with color correction, but all the exterior shots in red were just so pleasant to the eye and so natural in terms of their shift towards the warm gamma in blacks and skin tones.
Red sharper… colors and highlights/shadows were different…. But the difference wasn’t easy to tell.. I bet low light, hard lighting on a bright sunny day, and moire would be easy to tell the clear difference between cameras.
Immediately, you can see that the FF is wider. More importantly, the blacks on the BMCC are muddy, and the richer colors are on the Red. It is almost impossible to pull the same black levels with enough dynamic range to even compete with the Red. Also, these differences would be more noticeable in more challenging scenarios or in post-production. Anyway, for the money, the BMCC 6K is solid!
The simple fact that this is not Blackmagic flagship camera is crazy. Blackmagic is a sleeping giant! $2,500 vs 25k
yes, this camera is amazing. And I say that as a Red Raptor owner 😎
We are spoiled with our camera options today.
over all I'd say the Red colour has more under tones, but that's likely due to the higher bit depth. BMCC has a far more filmic look with reduced contrast but a harsher shadow fall off, likely due to the less dynamic range. For the price and size the BMCC is amazing especially since you can make it a global shutter camera in post. Red just captures more and requires more care to the make-up or de-gloss, as for the BMCC it kind of smooths out the skin tones and reduces its complexity and tonality. Despite their out of camera look of course with the amount of information you get you'd be able to adjust the necessary parameters to make the image as appealing as you'd like.
Awesome test! Thanks for sharing this. Also, LOOOOVE Warsaw. Was just there the past two months.
Warsaw is beautiful. Stayed at the hotel called Puro. Cant recommend it enough. Thank you for watching
@@daniel_gall Nice! i usually do Airbnb but will check it out. Thanks for the rec!
Thanks so much!
Blackmagic is incredible
I agree, I will def be getting one
@@daniel_gall me too. I have 2 pocket 4k and 6k g2, the next one will be the full frame. The rapport between pice and image quality is unbeatable. Of course v raptor is a superior camera
@@gabrielepampanelli815 i love my raptor, but sometimes the smaller form factor is the 🔑 especially when the IQ is so close. And the price point is amazing. I will just wait until they come out with the Pro version with ND built in.
@@daniel_gall The Blackmagic will intro a pro version of this?
I recently got a Blackmagic 6K full-frame camera, and I'm looking for some advice on choosing a lens for shooting cinematic films. My goal is to find a lens that offers high-quality performance, especially for versatile shots, but I'm also mindful of my budget.
Thank you so much for your help!
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I was sure until the last shot and I love Blackmagic cameras.
Yes the difference in the last shot is pretty big. In this shot I like red a lot more. should do another test in sunny conditions
tiny bit of contrast to BMCC6K, and a bit of magenta added to match white balance and these would be almost indentical, maybe a touch of sharpening.
I prefer the look of cam A to be honest. Shocking what cameras have come to these days.
I guessed correctly. The difference in dynamic range was the giveaway. Color was beautiful on both.
If Blackmagic gives it the NDs and the EF mount back I will def getting one
@@daniel_gall LoL look at= the flange distance of EF mount it's past garbage , L mount is the future many companies are alliance with L , & it's always better to use a large VND other than inbuild ND's for long time use !
@@arunr4103 can you explain why the EF mount is bad and the L mount is the future? and why big VNds are better than build in NDs ?
@@daniel_gall Main reason is flange distance, cause of short flange distance of Mirrorless you can use any lenses on it , EF has 44.0mm which is double than L mount which is only 20 millimetres, Dust particals will stuck in most built-in ND cameras also the most manufacturers are using fiber optics in their ND's which gradually will crumble cause of fungus fiber invite fungus 10 times faster than glass and it's particals will damage the sensor slowly, but when you use an external ND or VND those will serve you for many years if you handle carefully it last forever cause those are pure glass ..
@@arunr4103 very interesting. I did not know that
thank you for the blindness of this test
Every shot when it switched to full screen B from the A shot i thought "mmm I preferred A" but then every side by side i preferred B. Not sure why
The Pocket 6k is everything but it looks like is suffer from a little barrel distortion or is a little off with the lens correction. Her face seem a little wider on certain shots.
good eye. Hmm.. I did not think about it before.
footage looks good on both, the raptor should have a sharper image but it almost looked like the bm had more detail, particularly looking through the curtains.
Not at all. The BM looked "hazier", not as rich. Less contrasty and definitely less detailed.
Red looked better imo
Look through the curtains at the stonework, then zoom in. You can literally see detail on the stonework in the BM footage that is not visible on the Red footage. And that is after YT compression.
But in other respects they are very close together. I like the look of red footage the skin tones seem a little more on point in most shots except a couple.
The point I was making is the RED is an 8k sensor, vs a 6k sensor the edge fidelity and detail clarity should be a LOT higher as you have approximately double the number of pixels for image capture. Yet there are details on the stonework that are considerably less defined in the RED images. The edges looked slightly mushier on the red (might be backplane sensor distance, some in-built smoothing to remove the digital look or an OLPF doing this too, not just sensor output).
Awesome comparison! Thank you for making this. It looks like you used a higher shutterspeed on the BMCC compared to the RED (outside shots), correct?
No, the red just has better motion Candice. That’s why it looks that way.
The thing I've always found with the 6K FF is that for some reason the mid-range and shadows looks milky. Still the image is nice. Not my favorite BMD sensor though.
With almost all new cameras these days, the biggest difference is usability and ergonomic. The better image is almost always going to go to the camera with better glass and better lighting. For this reason is very hard to justify anything other than BMD.
if not for the bad battery and the L mount without the Nd filters, i wont ever choose the BMCC over Canon/Red/ Sony. But image quality for the money is nice for sure.
Yeah unless you really need the higher framerates off course. I have the BMCCFF.
@@Fedorevsky But then surely you get the UMP12K. I've got the P4K and still love the image 3.5 years after getting it. Upgrading my lenses about 2 years ago breath a load of new life into the camera...
@@JonasStuart Yeah, I agree much better value for money to get the 12K than the Raptor.
I really feel like the last frame says the most with color reproduction (the sky, the building, the window reflections). Having owned both, I always had issues trying to match them in post because the Blackmagic always felt like it shifted some vivid deeper colors towards being desaturated or couldn't reproduce them at all. If I remember correctly it was vivid reds and deep blues. I know Gen 5 color science was meant to fix a good bit of it, but curious to see a different comparison where the overall tone of the image is not as muted.
I was surprised by a lot of the comparisons, but noticed the RED is a bit sharper overall in resolving the image, with a touch less green. (Although all sensors vary in tint a slight degree one way or another.)
I agree. The last shot was very interesting in terms of colors. I will be doing another test in better weather conditions
With DVR 19 and the new color slice tool, you can now add density to those colors that felt muted before, truly amazing what blackmagic is doing recently between new cameras and new software
something about RED just looks richer.... you get what you pay for.
Great test. For me the Raptor was maybe 5% better. I'd love to see the test in more harsh lighting though, that would probably increase the differences. Impressive what the Blackmagic can do for the price, yet some people still complain!
Great job!
For 2500 is great. I have it, used it a few times and i thought it looks a bit to sharp compared to bmpcc 4k, but maybe it s my lens. What soft, vintage lens can i find for L moint?
helios 44-2 m42 mount, need m42 to L adapetr
It would make more sense if you used the same lens on each camera and CC for neutral grey. Either way, both cameras have great image quality and would do a fine job in any feature film.
I have used the same lens***
IQ are about the same. Raptor being very slightly sharper maybe due to 8k but that is mute depending on what you actually want.
Maybe also because of the OLPF filter on the Black Magic.
wow I was convinced Cam A could NOT be BMCC
wait this is crazy that A is the BM i was convinced it was Raptor and i own a BM!
Thanks. What's the shutter angle, are they set different on each camera ?
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Blackmagic is for sure a great value for money
Am I crazy that I liked Blackmagic better? 😮
It looks so good. Although I still prefer REDs image on 90% of the shots
Very nice
The difference is in the skin tones, I notice CAM B had more color range with skin! The CAM A felt muddy and a lack of color in the shadows. Also the last clip the CAM B handled the highlights much better! I guessed right, Red for the win!! Yay!
Well... I guessed wrong :( Although it probably doesn't matter because I want BOTH those cameras.
great test! where did you set the iso on that first shot?
Iso 400 on BMCC and Iso 800 on the Raptor
If you see a green cast- then it is a RED camera.
no way, all along i was 1000% sure CAM A was red!!! nahh im so confused
Why is the Raptor usually punched-in compared to the BMCC even though it has a wider field of view? Did you do that just to trick us?
My fault, i did not plan to trick anyone 🥲😄
Cam A has more detail, i.m.o.
I think the differences are small
The whole time I thought Cam B had nicer colors, Cam A was not but at all though.
Myself I liked the Bcam more, but I must say for the money you pay the cam A (bmcc6k ff) is not that bad
What image piplene was used?
Time to get rid of my 4k
If you know what you are looking for, you would have already said Camera B. After the first scene I already knew which cameras I wanted. Camera A looked good too, but was way behind camera B, the more you watch it, the more you say B.
Guessed it right. BMPCC foortage looks a bit less sharp and more organic.
Fantastic job! Great looking footage and well made comparison!
@@tristandu1776 Thank you! I own the raptor but i must say I like bmcc also. Especially for how compact it is and this beautiful screen on the back 😍
Yeah the OLPF filter on the Black Magic is really nice.
It's unfortunate that you picked a cloudy day to conduct this test. As shot, this will give fanboys from both camps excuses to spew their indoctrination
I agree that a sunny day would be so much better. I was in Worsaw only for one day. I will try shoot snother test soon in better weather conditions
Black magic is better 💯%
It's simple: CAM A has a green shift. CAM B has a magenta shift.
That was easy. Black magic camera's still has that horrible green tint.
Сьемка в Польше? CC6KFF в синий дает, RED V-Raptor в желтый