I owned two 4Runner myself and love the car. But 99% of the consumers out there will NEVER drive on anything more than a dirt road, and that is the reality.
Looking at the vid, my first thought is, park the comfort of your shelter and get out and hike. Very few people actually have some destination that requires extreme off road on a regular basis. Do they work at an Amazon warehouse in the middle of nowhere, with no paved roads leading in? No. And off roading to be off roading, I don't relate. What is cool, are the Land Crusiers used in undeveloped countries out of necessity, they've set the bar.
@@tonymontana3742 You obviously haven't been out west. Public land goes on for ages and hiking is awesome but when you want to bring all your creature comforts overlanding is where it's at. The forester is nice but it shouldn't really be compared to the 4runner
People are missing the point of this video entirely, the point is to see if an incredibly more practical car can compare to a incredibly more off-road capable car
Using the off road trim to compare with the forester touring isn’t the best. You should have used the limited trim which doesn’t have as soft suspension, more features and all season tires. But these two shouldn’t be compared anyway. They are in two completely different classes for different purposes.
I'm scratching my head on such an arbitrary comparison. I think I will go compare a plane to a helicopter... Either way, maybe next time they choose a Highlander. At least that is an apples to apples comparison.
Joe Larson true that , i own a 4 Runner 2015 and i will never buy the forester because the 2 are very different cars . If you like 4 Runner you wont like the forester and if you like the forester you wont like the 4 Runner . Is a no brainer .
I've been a Toyota loyalist for a long time, but my Forester was unstoppable in snow, and that was an old one. These new ones are to my old Forester like this 4Runner was to the new Forester. And like these guys said, it's a way nicer ride when you're not out on a bad trail. If you really need the 4Runner's capability and capacity, then there's no point in comparing. But if you're like these guys described, a weekend warrior who needs a car that's good in town but can handle some modest trails, the Forester is a really good choice.
I had Jeeps before buying my Subaru Outback. It does 90% of what my 04 Grand Cherokee 4.7 did, but gets 10mpg more and is far more reliable. It also doesn't kind snow over the bumper (9"), and has been in mud almost to the hubs. Besides, if I was gonna buy an SUV, it would be a Wrangler, the only real SUV still with solid axles.
For hardcore offloading I use my lifted 33" 2000 Toyota 4runner Limited 4x4 with factory e locker. 400,000 miles and on it's 4th timing belt. I use the 19 Forester Premium as our family car to cabin in the remote mountains. With a 2inch lift and all terrains I'm quite flabbergasted to what it won't due. Especially in Xmode with torque vectoring.
Im about the receive my 2022 forester as well. I was thinking about lifting it 2`` , did that affect your driving at all? and what tires do you use larger than normal since the car is lifted >?
@@cocoaliveson3235 But that isn't available from the factory as they are from Toyota. They are very different vehicles. I own both and like them each for what they are.
I like this “non traditional” comparison tests. When I buy a vehicle, it is rare all the cars on my list to compare are from the same category. I tend to look at the top 2 vehicles from several categories. Thanks for this comparison video. They really help and are entertaining. It suits the way I shop and buy. Keep it up! Btw, a couple years ago, I cross shopped a Forester vs Xterra vs Tacoma. I ended up with the Xterra.
As did I. After recently hitting a deer with my xterra I was back at the plate. Ended up going with the 19 forester sport. Honestly I live in the Rockies 4 on 4 off, ice climbing, skiing and mountain biking. It just made sense to go with the better mileage as I have a 400km drive each way to get there. Unless you need to tow a trailer for an adventure vehicle the Forester strikes the best balance. Sure I can't cross the ice shelves into the ghost anymore but losing 10mpg and the comfort honestly just wasn't worth it for the 3 times I go in a season.
I own a small crossover (2015 Rav4 AWD) and a 2003 4Runner. The Rav is great, good fuel economy, pleasant if unexciting to drive and great in winter but the 4Runner is on a whole different level. I've owned and driven many many different vehicles and IMHO the 4th gen V8 full time 4WD 4Runner is one of the best designed, best engineered and best built personal vehicles ever offered for sale.
@@mauriliof Yes but they had to delete it: Apple threatened them with legal actions after the lobster won the offroad competition. They said they didn´t use the right accessories for the Mac.
I have owned a Toyota FJ Cruiser & Land Rover Discovery. I now own a 2018 Subaru Outback. While initially, I had my doubts regarding the Subaru's capabilities, now I am a believer. I can go to and get to 98% of anywhere the above 2 vehicles took me. The build quality and AWD system are something no other car company does for under 50K. Capability, comfort, tech and nearly twice the MPG of an FJ or 4Runner, plus it's the value play in the segment. The Ascent, Outback, Forester & Crosstrek ALL come with AWD, XMode & Subaru's "Eye Sight" (collision mitigation and more) STANDARD. It just makes sense. Plus you can easily find lift kits, skid plates etc. Lastly, something I like is you can purchase an all systems 10 year, 100K additional warranty for (there are various year and mileage combinations to choose) for under 2K! :)
It was a good video but the conclusion was absurd. 4runner is about fun, not MPG and tech. If someone wants to get a crossover for family, Toyota offers Rav4 and Highlander. But the fact that Wrangler and 4runner sell a boatload proves that there is still demand for offroad monsters.
The lack of technology is the whole point of a forerunner! That’s what real mountain men buy ! But I also love Subarus pretty amazing cars, both are very useful but a forerunner will probably run 25 years nonstop
@@darylhill9400 go out to Colorado and you'll sing a different tune about what "mountain people" buy.. Damn near every vehicle in Colorado is a Subaru
As the owner of a 4Runner and an Outback, the big difference for me is the range and fuel mileage. Who wants to worry about fueling up when you are a long way out in the backcountry? My 4Runner needed a refill within 200, maybe 225 miles. Off road, maybe 180 miles. My Outback? 375 to 400 miles. Big difference for vehicles with similar real world capabilities.
Never understood the desire to compare the 4Runner to cars. It's an unapologetic body-on-frame SUV that is outdated yet uber reliable. I've never looked at my Trail Edition as car and desire car-like attributes. Both vehicles here are geared towards an active lifestyle but the 4Runner will handle almost anything thrown at it.
This wasnt a comparison to see how the 4Runner did, we know that already. It's a comparison to see how the crossovers which have all but killed traditional SUVs would fair in similar scenarios.
@@NaijaBoiTellEm I dont dispute that, just saying that this comparison was more for the crossover to show it's ability against the traditional established SUV, not the other way around.
I have a ‘19 Forester and was thinking of getting a 4Runner before I got it. Glad I didn’t go with the 4Runner due to horrible mpg and not all are 4wd. The safety for my family that my Forester offers is no match for the 4Runner. Sure it’s bigger and can go over larger obstacles. But end of the day dirt, snow and mud can’t stop the Forester. Great for small families who like to go on adventures and get some decent mpg and great comfort on the way there. This is just my opinion.
I own a Tacoma 4x4 and a 14 Forester XT. They are both great, but the Forester is a blast to drive and has a surprisingly large amount of space. I also put AT's on it. Haven't had a chance to test them out yet.
I have a 2015 Forester XT, with K02 all terrian tires. For semi rough dirt off, it's perfect. It gets me to the trailhead with no issues. The thing i like about the forester is that i spend the majority of the time on the freeway. The turbo does get me decent mpg and has tons of passing power on the freeway, going up hill and has decent handling for the long sweepers on the freeway. Sure it's not as capable pure offroading as a 4 runner. But for good handling, decent power and decent off road capability, it's perfect. The suspension feels pretty solid and stiff, perfect for the street, but slightly rough for offroading. I got the car as an adventure car take me out of town for camping and getting to the trailhead.
If you're more offroad oriented, the 4Runner is a great pick. But if you're doing both daily drives and some decent offroading with premium features, the Forester is for you.
THAT is the bottom line of this--- depends on your USE.... PERIOD. (or just preference if you like the "truck" experience every day)... I DO prefer the truck experience- but have no real USE for it any more-- but I'm tired of "just cars" too.. )
Being a former Subaru owner ... I would never say anything bad about them. If you want a vehicle that require zero driver skill, and just wanna go MAYBE 50% of where a runner can go with ease ... then get it. You won’t be 100% happy, but you will not be 100% disappointed either. You will simply live in that segment ‘that wishes for a bit more the entire duration of your ownership’ ... that’s all I loved my Subaru ... currently own an 18 runner ... I was simply always wanting more everything (Cept silly gadgets) ... the runner you need to learn it ... but once you do ... you are unstoppable ... the Subaru there isn’t much to do except keep going until you hit its inevitable limit ... period ... it’s a car
I know the 4Runner is considered outdated by many because it does have a lot of tech features, like radar or blind spot etc... But that's why I'm thinking of checking it out. I tend to keep my cars forever and reliability is more important to me and I have never been a fan of adding a lot of things that will break and cost a lot of money to fix years after the warranty has expired. I am currently about to get rid of my 20 years old car because it's not worth fixing it but I took care of it and got a good couple of decades out of it without any major issues for most of that time.
Two totally different vehicles. You have to ask yourself, do you want a real truck, or a fairly capable grocery getter. Check out TFL truck review on the 2019 4 Runner. I doubt any SUV, would be able to do that, that wasn’t a body on frame design. Although I do have a lot of respect for the Subaru, I would go for the 4 runner. Simple, strong, and reliable.
11:07 If you want off-road with the forester?, change the tires; look a RAV4 for it test, but don't use the 4runner. Both are so good SUV, but in your level.
you buy the 4runner for durability, simplicity for some fantasy overlanding. I've had a forester, outback and now a 4runner. Subaru is solid too, only limited by ground clearance and overhang
Very fair video. My forester isnt a rock crawler and I dont like the cvt. BUT I've been up chimney mountain trail in north Georgia with my stock forester and have seen jaws drop at the top when I pull up. Subaru will always seize to amaze.
Gimmicky tech, what do you think the 4Runner crawl control is? I have one similar to what was reviewed and the so called off road features that are added over the base models are nothing but a gimmick. I used them a number of times and quickly figured out it's better to go without them and relieved on your common sense driving experience. If you don't have the skills you may need these systems. My advice after driving this "car" for several years, don't waste your money on things that aren't needed.
@@blackdiamond5015 Multi Terrain Select, Atrac and the rear locker are not gimmicky tech, they all have their time and place, crawl control is gimmicky tech in most cases, but people love it, I never use it
@CrazyLegsMcGee Understand how it works. Similar to the Terrain Control the question is whether it's worth having these systems on the new 4-Runners. After having driven a Trail Premium for three years I can honestly say neither system adds much if any value and manual braking and driver experience driving over terrain works just fine if not better. Tech geeks will never agree but that's what I've found to hold true. Don't waste the money...
Basically, you're taking your Bass loafers hiking on a one track. Yes they fit your feet and protect them well. The first time you have to climb over something or walk through tall grass, you'll wish for the 4Runner. Last I remember, I could go to the grocery store in my 4Runner and wear my boots. I could always downgrade to less capability but I'll be able to get along with my 4Runner for years. But be fore warned, don't get a 4Runner if you didn't want an SUV.
The first thing you missed is payload. Max out the Forrester and try it off road then we'll talk again. 4 adults and some gear in the Forrester and you've lost about 2 inches of ground clearance. You'll loose nothing in the 4Runner with it's solid rear axle. The Forrester will start bottoming out on small bumps at speed where the 4Runner will actually drive smoother. Finally, you have a CVT in the Forrester and will run out of initial torque to climb even modest obstacles. No problem with the 4Runner and it's low range. I've driven a Subaru off road for a couple of years and now I drive a FJ Cruiser. You think the Forrester is underpowered, load it up and it becomes unacceptable. No passing reserver, buzzing to climb hills and downright dangerous when merging. You won't find that with the 4Runner. Don't say that the Forrester does most of what the 4Runner can do. The truth is that its as good as most crossovers specially off road, but it can't hold a candle to the 4Runner in deep snow, soft sand, mud, ice in deep puddles, deep water, payload, towing, rough dirt roads. Not only that, but you can off road for years in the 4Runner and after doing it with any unitized body vehicle, it will shake itself to pieces. Nice try but no cigar.
They're not disputing the fact that a BoF SUV is superior when the going gets tough. They're making the argument that for the average owner, the crossover does everything they want and need with less compromise.
@@ALMX5DP And I'm saying that while the Subi handles and rides better on road it is under powered and this gets almost dangerous when fully loaded with passengers and or stuff. Unladen it does pretty well off road, but this degrades a lot if loaded and anyone that wants to off road with a CVT is risking overheating it and damaging it if they"re not careful. This was observed in another video I saw where a warning light for overheating the CVT was activated. There's a reason they're not rated to tow much. Usually because the payload can't take much of a tongue load or the drive train can't handle the work. I just think they overstated the off road and on road capabilities of the Forrester.
Denis LeBlanc well I can’t argue that they may be overstating things for the sake of a review. I just feel like they’re looking at it from an average user perspective.
My family and I are the average user you are talking about. 95% of our driving is daily commuting and the other 5% is camping. We have had Subaru's for many years and have been getting progressively more outdoor oriented. This year we upgraded to a 4runner for basically every reason Denis has stated. While the Outback we had was great for in town it severely underperformed while loaded with a weekends worth of camping gear, a roof top tent, and my full family (wife, daughter, 90lbs dog, and me). If we wanted to only glamp and didn't mind being right next to the next campers that would be ok and we wouldn't need ground clearance but we actually wanted to get out in nature. The 4runner on the other hand has done wonderfully. Also, if they wanted to compare niceties they should have compared the 4runner limited to the Forester touring.
Have a Forester and it does just fine. Of course the 4 runner is able to be more of an off roader but kudos to subaru. It may not be able to climb mountains at 90 degrees like Toyota but that’s not why I bought mine. It’s the best of both worlds, city driving and occasional camping off the beat and path. Good review edmunds. Hope to see some other SUVs reviewed.
So a 4 cylinder compact unibody CUV is cheaper, more efficient, and more comfortable than a V6 mid-size BOF SUV that is better off-road and can tow more.........Oh look, an Edmunds review. Maybe they'll tell me something I don't know.
I think the takeaway was that the crossover has caught up to the traditional SUV. Less compromises overall while still being more capable than 95% of what people need or desire their vehicle to do.
I absolutely love Toyota off road capability, but my wife’s ascent is awesome on the trail, with a spotter I was impressed by the rocks that suv was crawling over.
Did the same a week ago. Also trust the Subaru AWD more. The 4runner has the better engine, but I had a transfer case fail out of the blue and it soured my opinion of the part time 4wd Toyota uses.
I traded my 2017 Subaru Forester XT in on a 2018 4Runner TRD Off-Road, BIG mistake! My Forester was like a sports car, where the 4Runner is like driving a boat. Nearly a year later, I am still bummed out about it.
To be honest I have owned both trucks. The only difference I can tell when hardcore offroading is the subaru gets stuck less due to its light weight. Very noticeable when hitting mud, sand or snow. The Subaru is way better. Rock crawling not so good, but still impressive. No other cross over touch's the Subaru
As somebody who was legitimately cross shopping a truck, 4runner, and a crossover this was an interesting test. I ended up with a Forester due to being able to do everything I would want to do in a 4runner and get 10 more mpg. The test isn't completely invalid due to being different demographics.
Nice feature. Though you didn't do just with the Foresrer. The key is - Choose the line - and Don't stop! keep the momentum it works like magic. Happy new year
Let's be honest; better tires would have made a _big_ difference on the Subaru. It doesn't matter how good your AWD system is, if none of your tires are biting the ground. Traction matters more than all of the fancy controls. That's why even my old Suburban does well on the trails: It has the right tires.
So the "off road" test conclusion is to just say that 95% of people won't go on real off road terrain?! Thats helpful... If someone wants a vehicle to drive on gravel and dirt roads nearly any vehicle can do that. The Subaru clearly can deal with any poorly maintained road better than many car type vehicles and similar to other cute-utes. But the reason you get a Wrangler or 4runner is because you hope to go on real off road adventures or regularly do so, or live somewhere that may need that level of utility. Having the excess capability is also critical when you encounter freak hail, rain, snow storms that turn simple dirt forest service roads into mud bogs, where rock slides, fallen trees and spring run off can create road washouts, even whole trails being blocked etc. Often most forrest service trails go for miles and tend to get more difficult the higher you go, if you vehicle does not have the capability, you could be stuck miles from the trail head or destination. If anything but a perfectly dry and well maintained forrest service road is encountered with the Subaru you could be out of luck. The 4runner will be much more likely to be able to deal with what ever the trail throws at you. The Subaru is not built with real off road in mind, If you push the Subaru's limits regularly you are certain to damage parts of the vehicle vs a vehicle made specifically for those challenges and breaking down in the back country has the potential to be both dangerous and expensive to be rescued from. I almost never see Subaru owners putting tough off road tires on their vehicles, most likely thing to happen is tearing a sidewall of a tire or puncturing on a sharp rock on an obstacle with the "car" tires people always run on Subaru's. I don't get the test like this... these are 2 different categories of vehicles. There are a million cute-ute Suabru like cars made by every manufacture from Toyota to Lamborghini, obviously 95% of customers are content with those vehicles and the majority will never see anything but perhaps a gravel road or well traveled dirt road so why compare them to some of the last real off road capable vehicles still made (Wrangler/4runner) for the 5% who do drive that stuff and the even large number who want to reserve the capability to do so if they get the chance. Why don't you do this test on Hells revenge in Moab or Black Bear pass in Telluride and see which vehicle you wan't or can take if you want to do a "off road" test?
Cool vid, thank you for making it and sharing it with us! I finally pulled the trigger and purchased a Forester tonight. I won't be subjecting it to any significant trail challenges like those the 4Runner was obviously superior at, but I will be taking it on some fireroad-types of roads for mountain biking, camping, fishing, etc. which I think it will do perfectly well on. Cheers! Liked and subscribed.
Wouldn't comparing to a rav4 be more realistic? I own both, if I'm going elk hunting, I take the fourrunner,if I'm taking my wife on the town,I take my 2019 forester sport.
This was a great review. I have the 4runner and the both guys were really good. The forester reminds me of my MDX. Those are bomb as well. Only get the 4runner if you are an off road enthusiast. Forester is great for the other 95% of the population.
Sigh. The comments down here are truly idiotic, sorry to say. The _very point_ of the test was to see how an everyday non-off-road mission critical vehicle compares to a traditional body-on-frame off-road mission critical vehicle. It's _not_ supposed to be some Jeep vs. 4Runner off-road test to the death. ffs
Toyota owners get defensive when you compare ANYTHING to them. The answer is always “resale and reliability”. Subaru owners do too, mostly because of the expenses associated to keep them reliable, but the justification is always “symmetrical AWD”.
It's all man-children stroking their schlongs of course. Been there, done that. Having learned to drive in a cruiser I always knew soft-roaders were nothing cars - inferior for everything. After being offered a sweet deal on a forester some years ago, now I get it. The Forester was the exception to the rule and the better car for most people most of the time. I don't want the new one because of the lack of low range and manual, but I am sure it's a good car, especially in the US where autos are almost the rule.
So many haters here. I can understand why they'd be confused at first as to why compare these 2 vehicles. But after reading some comments and putting some thought into it, it's not rocket science. First of all there are a few commenters who have both vehicles. Second of all I was in the exact position of trying to decide between these two vehicles. It all came down to a matter of experience and preference for me. Thank you for this video. It helped me a lot.
I have an '05 Toyota 4Runner with 250,000 miles on it......Original engine, transmission, exhaust system, shocks. It's an unapologetic, gets terrible fuel economy......and most of all, it's all about that Holy shit moment, I can't believe i just made it up that trail! So if you lack the nerve to drive on anything more than a washed out dirt road with some pot holes........Nah, I'll still take the tested and true reliability of the 4Runner, over the questionable reliability of a Subaru.
Excellent points Tony. I have owned 4 Subarus - daily drivers. They are super comfortable and the AWD is great in the snow. However, I cannot say that they are reliable. All my Subarus have had serious and expensive engine issues around the 120,000 km mark. I don't know what it is with Subaru. The reliability is just not there long term. Toyota has Subaru beat hands down in the quality and longevity department. I drive 110 kms round trip for work in a 2015 Outback. My wife drives a 2011 Toyota Prius 140 kms round trip for work. Her Prius has 245,000 kms. Her car has not had a single issue and is rolling like a boss. It is truly unbelievable. I think the Prius is uglier than sin, but I cannot knock its reliability. My next purchase will be a Toyota.
Silverados are lucky if they make it 200,000 miles....after you've poured countless $1000s in in everyday repairs; bodywork, brake lines, pads, rotors, more bodywork, regulators (3).... *etc* Excellent performance and good off road though.
All my life I wanted a 4-Runner, in fact I am shopping for one now but always go back to the 3.6 Outback... I discovered if I can't handle the road in 3.6R, I probably won't tackle it in the 4-Runner either. But the biggest decision is the 10 hr test. I had a brand new 4-Runner rental few years back so stoked but after a week we were so tired of driving it... so exhausting. For some reason 4-Runner tires you out. The steering needs to be adjusted constantly. Subura on the other hand past the 10 hr long drive test. I am on my 6th Outback 3.6 in the family btw. Wife 2018 with the kiddo, no brainer the car drives by itself got home from the dealer without touching the brake (w/o the kiddo of course). Ready to get rid of 2013 3.6R & the only thing stopping me for the 4-runner is this kind of video & review... aye. I'll get one if I move to the mountains. One Sub & one 4-Runner would be perfect. Great comparsion because people DO cross shop these 2 vehicles - ask anyone lives in Colorado. BTW the 3.6R would've make it up that hill... easily!
This is a good comparo because it shows just how good the Subaru is. Sure the Yota' is better off-road and towing, but theSubaru is better at everything else. Handling, comfort, efficiency, driving range and safety go to to the Forester.
Yeah... but the Subaru has a CVT. One thing not measured here is longevity. The 4runner doesnt have all the latest electronics for this reason. I think the people who buy 4runners understand and appreciate this. That CVT will be done within 100000 miles especially if there is any heavy use like towing and offroading involved.
I have a Crosstrek and our company vehicle at work is a 4Runner. Definitely my Subaru is better on roads and the AWD is very sure footed when it's snowy or icy. I'm sure the Toyota can make it into places my Subaru can't but the car-like handing and driving experience is much better for regular use vs the clunkiness and body roll of the 4Runner. Still both are great vehicles.
I test drove alot of 4Runners. I went with the 2020 Subaru Outback Onyx XT a few days ago. Although it wasn't cheap either, I got ALOT more for my money it's not even close, and it feels like a luxury overlander when I drive it to work. P.S. It's turbocharged.
Should come with a disclaimer.. An ad for Subaru. Many other crossover suvs can do what Forrester does. 95% of the time isn't good enough for use cases 4runner is built for. The 5% is what will make you go rent a 4runner like car for trails like this.
all it takes is one bad patch in the bush, and you're F'ed. that's how the couple died in the snow with their crossover in Oregon. They thought their awd could handle the rough stuff and got lost / stuck.
odd comparison but i get it. As an owner of a 15 Forester XT (RIP dear turbo Forester) and a 18 4runner TRD i can say the Forester will be able to handle 99% of what 99% of people use them for ... on and off road. 4runner is a better choice if you do much more "advanced" offroading, need decent towing (note it tows like a dog) and want a simple no frills tank that will run for 300k miles. These vehicles are cross-shopped more than most think.
As a 2x 4Runner owner, I have to say this vehicle was one of the best SUV's I've owned...btw this is a poor comparison. It should of been a Highlander vs. Ascent or Rav4 vs. Forester.
I have the feeling you missed the point of this video. There is no doubt that the 4Runner is the true off roader of the group. The point the video was making is the Forester can do about 90-95% of what the 4Runner can do off road while being a better daily driver for the average consumer.
An everyday issue that is often missed is payload. When you start loading the Forester with 4 adults and their gear, you get very close to the maximum payload of approximately 1,300 lbs. Combine this with a relatively small displacement engine and CVT and you have a vehicle that has to work much harder. Towing is limited to 1,500 lbs if you want to bring a tent camper. Like the Forester as a city vehicle but would like to see how well it does over the long-term.
There are a lot of these comparisons between “off-road” vehicles and Subarus. Just like all the other videos I’ve seen the people commenting take it all way to personally. This and other videos like it wasn’t about seeing how much alike or different each vehicle is. It was about what the average person (90% of licensed drivers) would be better off buying. As always the genius comments come out about what company is better or what’s better off road or the more off-roading a vehicle can do the better it is. Yup, because that’s where 90% of people drive.....off road, because there isn’t any paved roads anywhere so why would you buy something that’s more comfortable, gets better gas mileage and handles better on the road.
Correct its FALSE.The subaru forester could have gone up it. He didn't put faith in it and much power and made the Subaru Forester look like an idiot car.The Subaru FORESTER is much more capable. Subaru's make the best AWD SYSTEM
I own a Forester and an Outback but I much rather have a 4 runner. I just don't need one at this point. But the 4 runner is superior, It's a great truck. I would much rather have it over a Jeep.
I get it why this comparison was done. Everyday average Joe who goes drives hundreds of miles to get to the dirt road and then goes off road driving that is not a Monster Truck Red Bull competition needs to able to see this comparison to see where his level of off roading and regular driving fits better with which vehicle.Good approach by Edmunds on doing this comparison.
These are the 2 cars I shopped for in Jan 2017, and ended up with Forester XT. Extra 70 hp of XT (over base Forester's 180hp) made a huge difference on drivability (CVT is no longer sluggish). Still great on snow, they still have no blind spots, and I get around 22-25 mpg (on cheap 87 gas). I am waiting for warranty to expire to add a skid plate, 2-3" lift and knobby tires. It should be able to keep up with a 4Runner on most trails/terrain. Or I can go STI route (Cobb Accessport, coilover, air intake/exhaust) and have a Macan S or Turbo equivalent that can actually go off road. Before XT I was driving a 2012 Land Cruiser with 4.7L in urban jungles/swamps abroad. I couldn't justify a brand new Land Cruiser in '17 driving on mostly pavement back in the US, but was giving 4Runner a serious look because I wanted a built-in-Japan Toyota (I have a 97 Prius, 95 Previa AllTrac and 95 LS400 all running still). If you have driven a Series 100/200 Land Cruiser, you would know they drive a lot smaller because of good visibility, big windows and hood that slopes down. Got in the 4Runner and found visibility (front/back) to be as awful as a full size pickup truck/cargo van. Throw in plastic cabin from the mid 90's, and very toy like axles, diff, suspension, frame, linkages, joints and weld spots compare to a Land Cruiser, I just couldn't buy a 4Runner. Your $40K+ is better spend on a used Land Cruiser.
C M and in snow the word “dominate” is a bit exaggerated. I live right by Breckinridge, Colorado and have never felt uncomfortable on snow in the 4Runner, and that’s with all terrain ko2s. Funny actually because despite the forester, and all Subaru’s for that matter, are advertised primarily for their snow capability. I’ll say it’s definitely capable for those early morning grocery trips in some slush. I like Subaru for what they do and I definitely like the look of their crosstrek, but come on, don’t build it up to be anything more then what it is.
It also beats an f-150 around a track and in mpg what’s your point? It’s one of the best selling vehicles in the nation. I feel like your issue is that you try to classify the two vehicles in the same class when in reality, both physically and on paper, there is no comparing the two. You can attempt, but nothing hides the fact that you buy it for your teen driver or if you can’t afford the runner.
We like our foresters, living in northern New England, we get 6 months of winter, 2 months of mud season and another 6 months of winter. I know it doesn’t add up but that’s Yankee math for you. Anyway granted we only have 2012 and 13 models but first thing to do when leaving the “road” is to shut traction control off and let drivetrain do its thing. No motor reving and no smell of your brakes fighting the engine as you go. And it works better.
Ah, the 95% of the time argument. If people bought their “95% use” vehicle, everyone would have a minivan, Ridgeline or Prius. Better to have it and not need it, as the saying goes.
Yeah, it's just like body armor. You're probably never going to need it, but it's better to wear it all the time and not need it than risk getting shot at on the ONE day you leave it at home. Plus it lets everyone know how cool you are, and that's the real point, right? I personally wouldn't be caught DEAD going to the movies or the beach without my kevlar on over my tank top. You never know, right?! You never know. One day I might get shot at, by some deranged surfer, and one day you might have a rocky mountain face spring up in front of you on your way home from work. Best to be prepared!
One of the most puzzling things never seems to be mentioned even in fair comparisons like this. Reliability VS safety. Being unsettled on paved roads is one thing. But why will the 4Runner keep from breaking down for so long, and yet be so much less safe in IIHS and NHTSA safety tests? It's a real catch-22. I wish someone would make a vehicle that was highly capable off-road and on-road, while being extremely reliable AND extremely safe. Every retail vehicle seems to be lacking in at least one of these aspects.
So many car reviewers like these don't know how to drive active AWD vehicles. You need to maintain throttle input. If you keep letting go of the gas, you don't allow the AWD system to work. This is basic knowledge that sadly, too many drivers and reviewers don't know.
@@RobertLeBlancPhoto yeah I was wondering why he didn't even attempt the hill, he was pulsing the acceleration and I'm just sitting here like "Well thats not how you do that at all, and you are totally ignoring the next level of x mode, but okay". For daily driver I do like the Subaru tho, especially for heavy snow on paved roads and the capability of x mode.
To many car guys say to many things. Their is an assessment here. The outcome is always personal preference. The 4runner is by far superior. I wouldn't take the Subaru threw mustard ground rd lol last time I was there 2 got stuck. Drove the 4RUNNER from sc to mi and back great family trip truck. Handling and power was wonderful. I felt safe. The family calls it a baby tank. They love it. The 4RUNNER comes with links built in to strap stuff down in the back interior also.
@@ozzierabbit587 I'm new to Subaru, and find that a 2019 Forester, while obviously not a sportscar, is quite satisfactory in the horsepower/"pep" department for most driving conditions. It compares favorably to my former SUVs in terms of acceleration and comfort, and even exceeds most in cargo capacity and ground clearance..
I know this is old, but I've got a '19 forester, and while yes... acceleration from a dead stop leaves some to be desired, once I'm at speed, it actually has pretty good passing power. Then again, I came from a car from '92 that weighed more than the forester and had 20 less horsepower when it was brand new Haha
the suspension range of the 4 runner is better, but did they take off traction control and try a little harder ? it looked like, if they took the right path, subi would have done it as well... I've off roaded with my 2011 santa fe and I believe I could of done that, as long as I don't bottom out... tires make a big difference..
I own a 4 runner and I will give the forester a lot of credit, the 4 runner had all terrain tires and the forester had all seasons, big difference off road, my only problem with the forester is how ugly it is and how bad mechanically Subaru’s are
This was many years ago but I’ve met 2 WRX owners with engine problems, the one guy blew his first motor at 60000km and he said the second engine was going, he also said he drove his car very hard, and I had a friend with an older legacy lots of problems, transmission the biggest of the problems, I believe the sti and wrx engine trouble is common but I may be wrong, something about accelerating hard at low rpm
If you wanted heated seats, soft touch and leather to go along with the off road ability you should have chosen the 4Runner limited. The limited has everything the Subaru has but it still a real off roader!
What you're not comparing especially when it comes to cost is longevity and low maintenance. I had a 2008 4Runner with 160,000 kms that never needed any maintenance other than oil changes and lube. That's right the brakes not only did not need servicing like lubing the sliders and all that but went the entire 160,000kms and still passed the safety at time of sale. My friends Forester for instance was constantly in for brake maintenance every 45K and even needed the engine replaced under warranty. The 4Runner saved me thousands of dollars over the Subaru while only costing a little more in fuel and never missed a beat and nothing needed replacement, not even a light bulb.
If Subaru made a reliable vehicle I would consider them. In addition to their lack of quality They are stuck with a CVT transmission. No one ever says any CVT is best in class.
False. I babied my 2010 XT. Blew two turbos before it took out the engine. The Impreza I owned before it had a gas tank leak and leaky oil HG.... Never get another Subaru. Piece of shit lmao
Late to the party but had a 2014 outback. Better than 80k and never had cvt or hg issues. Was a rather reliable vehicle. Traded in for the 2020 forester sport. Expect to have the same reliability from it. Hate to break this to the subaru haters but every car manufacturer has issues, defects, recalls, and problems. Subaru is no different.
Great mash up! People cross shop all the time. Helped me contextualize the Forester's offroad chops against the off-road king. And, yes 95% of the time will be on-road. Great review. Next time, just tell the dude not to wear his office shirt on a camping trip. Tell em to loosen up, too. it's UA-cam... not a corporate boardroom.
I get that most people are saying that is an unfair comparison but what I think you have to realize is that this video demonstrates just how capable the Forester is and how close it is in comparison to the 4Runner. Yes, most people would probably not perform such extreme Off Roading as they attempted in the video but it does show just how far you can take the Forester. Sometimes you do need to compare between apples and oranges just to show how good the orange really is compared to the apple and that the difference is not as striking as you may think.
Am i the only person in this comment section who never had any problems with his Subaru and doesnt hate it. I cant think of any other car which can get me up a lvl 4 jeep trail and in the same time easily achive 200km/h on the highway with 10-12l/100(27-30mpg). Not to mention the unbelievable confidence while turning. I am not a die hard offroader so id go for the Forester any day. My dad have driven a 1999 Foz for 10 years and now drives a 2007 one. I see why he does!
So, the 4Runner has more room, more power, more ground clearance, better driver visibility, is far better off road, does just fine on road, and you'd go with the Forester because it uses less gas and rides more like a car? How about also comparing total cost to own? The 4Runner's resale value is among the highest of all vehicles. You absolutely can't say that about the Forester.
Did you watch the video? They mentioned all of those points except driver visibility. Which is questionable as subarus are known for having very large windows. The vast majority of people dont even take their Forerunner on a dirt road. I know, I've lived in Oahu and Forerunners are the most popular vehicle on the island. There are almost no off roading spots. Foresters place top ten for vehicle resale value with the Forerunner being #2. I can handle being #10 if I'm paying 10k less upfront.
Edmunds, can you please make a video interviewing a Subaru technician on how to drive Subaru's symmetrical AWD. For example, does traction control stay on or off when off-road? Do we need to feather the throttle or is it full power all the way? What is the best way to get the full potential of x-mode?
Why are we even comparing the Subaru Forester to the Toyota 4Runner? They aren't even in the same segment. Try again. But, if we are going to compare the Forester to the 4Runner, that isn't even a comparison. When it comes to being a more proper SUV, the 4Runner is just better than the Forester. That is not debatable. The 4Runner is just the better SUV between the two. This should've been obvious from the start. Personally I still genuinely liked the new Forester for what it was so don't come barking at me for being bias.
Why not compare crossovers to the benchmark? I feel it's more meaningful than comparing them against each other, because even if one was superior, both could still completely suck when put into light offroad situations.
@@ALMX5DP The thing is, they can't be compared. This is like comparing apple to oranges. You need to compare within segments because that's where most people are likely to be cross-buyers. No on'es going to jump from a small crossover SUV to a mid-size body-on-frame SUV. The 4Runner is still better off-road and is more capable than the Forester. Higher ground clearance, true 4X4 capabilities, more accurate angles of approach/breakover/departure, limited slip/locking differentials in all axles, more flexible suspension, solid recovery points tied with a winch, bigger tires, aftermarket off-road enhancements, etc. All of this means that the 4Runner will handle basically anything being thrown at it thus leaving the Forester to the dust. It would really make sense if the Forester was instead being compared to a more direct competitor: The new RAV4 (the Adventure trim to be the most exact)
Hey everyone, for fun, look at any and all Subaru comparison videos on here! They always use the summer or all season tires on Tue Subaru and the other vehicle/monster has winter or all terrain tires. The Subaru always holds its own or wipes the floor with the competitor!!! I own a Subaru Forester XT and it has 250 HP and has double roll bars, reinforced steel in the doors and the boxer engine is at least 18-20 inches lower than all other vehicles and keeps it from flipping. Also if you're in a head on collision, the engine slides under your feet instead of breaking your legs. I could go on for days!!
What they don’t mention is the confidence a 4Runner gives you when going off-road. When you’re in a unibody crossover off-road and feel the car flexing and bending, you realize how much more vulnerable you are to really breaking something. Come down awkwardly on one tire on a steep descent...are you going to snap an axle on the Subaru? Always being afraid of breakage limits what you’d be willing to do in the forester probably before you reach the limits of its ability. That being said, if you’re mainly looking for a commuter/kid shuttle, and something you can occasionally take camping or kayaking...well, point taken.
I owned two 4Runner myself and love the car. But 99% of the consumers out there will NEVER drive on anything more than a dirt road, and that is the reality.
Unfortunate but true. "Real" SUVs and Jeeps are 90% for show. I'd sure rather be comfortable and get 12mpg better fuel economy on the highway.
Half asphalt and half snow . . Minnesota.
Speak for yourself lol
Looking at the vid, my first thought is, park the comfort of your shelter and get out and hike. Very few people actually have some destination that requires extreme off road on a regular basis. Do they work at an Amazon warehouse in the middle of nowhere, with no paved roads leading in? No. And off roading to be off roading, I don't relate. What is cool, are the Land Crusiers used in undeveloped countries out of necessity, they've set the bar.
@@tonymontana3742 You obviously haven't been out west. Public land goes on for ages and hiking is awesome but when you want to bring all your creature comforts overlanding is where it's at. The forester is nice but it shouldn't really be compared to the 4runner
People are missing the point of this video entirely, the point is to see if an incredibly more practical car can compare to a incredibly more off-road capable car
Using the off road trim to compare with the forester touring isn’t the best. You should have used the limited trim which doesn’t have as soft suspension, more features and all season tires. But these two shouldn’t be compared anyway. They are in two completely different classes for different purposes.
Joe Larson very true!
The Subaru dealer told me there is no difference in suspension between the trims. Not sure who is right here.
Joe Larson maybe it's a price thing
I'm scratching my head on such an arbitrary comparison. I think I will go compare a plane to a helicopter... Either way, maybe next time they choose a Highlander. At least that is an apples to apples comparison.
Joe Larson true that , i own a 4 Runner 2015 and i will never buy the forester because the 2 are very different cars . If you like 4 Runner you wont like the forester and if you like the forester you wont like the 4 Runner . Is a no brainer .
I was convinced I needed a 4Runner and now I’m not so sure. I don’t do any off roading, only tent camping. I think a Subaru is the way to go.
I've been a Toyota loyalist for a long time, but my Forester was unstoppable in snow, and that was an old one. These new ones are to my old Forester like this 4Runner was to the new Forester. And like these guys said, it's a way nicer ride when you're not out on a bad trail.
If you really need the 4Runner's capability and capacity, then there's no point in comparing. But if you're like these guys described, a weekend warrior who needs a car that's good in town but can handle some modest trails, the Forester is a really good choice.
Well said Leif.
4runner is also a better choice if you want to tow a trailer.
If I need the capability AND the comfort, I’ll buy a Grand Cherokee.
I had Jeeps before buying my Subaru Outback. It does 90% of what my 04 Grand Cherokee 4.7 did, but gets 10mpg more and is far more reliable. It also doesn't kind snow over the bumper (9"), and has been in mud almost to the hubs.
Besides, if I was gonna buy an SUV, it would be a Wrangler, the only real SUV still with solid axles.
you look like a toyota fan
For hardcore offloading I use my lifted 33" 2000 Toyota 4runner Limited 4x4 with factory e locker. 400,000 miles and on it's 4th timing belt. I use the 19 Forester Premium as our family car to cabin in the remote mountains. With a 2inch lift and all terrains I'm quite flabbergasted to what it won't due. Especially in Xmode with torque vectoring.
Im about the receive my 2022 forester as well. I was thinking about lifting it 2`` , did that affect your driving at all? and what tires do you use larger than normal since the car is lifted >?
The Forester competes with the RAV4, not really the 4Runner
Herman A you missed the point of this comparision
Yeah as a 4Runner owner, I am totally on board for the forester since most of my driving is on Los Angeles freeways
tinhinnh what is the point?
Pretty dumb using road tires on the Forester. Different tires would make a massive difference.
@@cocoaliveson3235 But that isn't available from the factory as they are from Toyota. They are very different vehicles. I own both and like them each for what they are.
I like this “non traditional” comparison tests. When I buy a vehicle, it is rare all the cars on my list to compare are from the same category. I tend to look at the top 2 vehicles from several categories.
Thanks for this comparison video. They really help and are entertaining. It suits the way I shop and buy. Keep it up!
Btw, a couple years ago, I cross shopped a Forester vs Xterra vs Tacoma. I ended up with the Xterra.
As did I. After recently hitting a deer with my xterra I was back at the plate. Ended up going with the 19 forester sport. Honestly I live in the Rockies 4 on 4 off, ice climbing, skiing and mountain biking. It just made sense to go with the better mileage as I have a 400km drive each way to get there. Unless you need to tow a trailer for an adventure vehicle the Forester strikes the best balance. Sure I can't cross the ice shelves into the ghost anymore but losing 10mpg and the comfort honestly just wasn't worth it for the 3 times I go in a season.
Great comparison. Next I’d like like to see the towing comparison between a V6 Honda Ridgeline and a duramax GMC Sierra 2500.
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Josh Gibb it’s a stupid comparison dude
Toyota4Life haha I know...hence my comment for an even more stupid comparison.
Josh Gibb haha I got it
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I own a small crossover (2015 Rav4 AWD) and a 2003 4Runner. The Rav is great, good fuel economy, pleasant if unexciting to drive and great in winter but the 4Runner is on a whole different level. I've owned and driven many many different vehicles and IMHO the 4th gen V8 full time 4WD 4Runner is one of the best designed, best engineered and best built personal vehicles ever offered for sale.
This is a great review. I cant wait till they do a comparative review of the new mac pro to a lobster.
Yeah I'm excited for that review as well! I guess that apple charger isn't compatible with the lobster tail, but hey, whatever floats your canoe!
This made me laugh out loud for real!
Is the Lobster review out yet?
@@mauriliof Yes but they had to delete it: Apple threatened them with legal actions after the lobster won the offroad competition. They said they didn´t use the right accessories for the Mac.
Ahhh, Jordan Peterson. I see what you dud there ;)
I have owned a Toyota FJ Cruiser & Land Rover Discovery. I now own a 2018 Subaru Outback. While initially, I had my doubts regarding the Subaru's capabilities, now I am a believer. I can go to and get to 98% of anywhere the above 2 vehicles took me. The build quality and AWD system are something no other car company does for under 50K. Capability, comfort, tech and nearly twice the MPG of an FJ or 4Runner, plus it's the value play in the segment. The Ascent, Outback, Forester & Crosstrek ALL come with AWD, XMode & Subaru's "Eye Sight" (collision mitigation and more) STANDARD. It just makes sense. Plus you can easily find lift kits, skid plates etc. Lastly, something I like is you can purchase an all systems 10 year, 100K additional warranty for (there are various year and mileage combinations to choose) for under 2K! :)
It was a good video but the conclusion was absurd. 4runner is about fun, not MPG and tech. If someone wants to get a crossover for family, Toyota offers Rav4 and Highlander. But the fact that Wrangler and 4runner sell a boatload proves that there is still demand for offroad monsters.
The lack of technology is the whole point of a forerunner! That’s what real mountain men buy ! But I also love Subarus pretty amazing cars, both are very useful but a forerunner will probably run 25 years nonstop
@@darylhill9400 go out to Colorado and you'll sing a different tune about what "mountain people" buy.. Damn near every vehicle in Colorado is a Subaru
As the owner of a 4Runner and an Outback, the big difference for me is the range and fuel mileage. Who wants to worry about fueling up when you are a long way out in the backcountry? My 4Runner needed a refill within 200, maybe 225 miles. Off road, maybe 180 miles. My Outback? 375 to 400 miles. Big difference for vehicles with similar real world capabilities.
Never understood the desire to compare the 4Runner to cars. It's an unapologetic body-on-frame SUV that is outdated yet uber reliable. I've never looked at my Trail Edition as car and desire car-like attributes. Both vehicles here are geared towards an active lifestyle but the 4Runner will handle almost anything thrown at it.
This wasnt a comparison to see how the 4Runner did, we know that already. It's a comparison to see how the crossovers which have all but killed traditional SUVs would fair in similar scenarios.
@@ALMX5DP EPA standards killed the traditional SUV. Crossovers are just a result of that vacancy.
@@NaijaBoiTellEm I dont dispute that, just saying that this comparison was more for the crossover to show it's ability against the traditional established SUV, not the other way around.
@@ALMX5DP I disagree but that's neither here nor there.
@@NaijaBoiTellEm except they reference what this comparison was multiple times in the video.
I have a ‘19 Forester and was thinking of getting a 4Runner before I got it. Glad I didn’t go with the 4Runner due to horrible mpg and not all are 4wd. The safety for my family that my Forester offers is no match for the 4Runner. Sure it’s bigger and can go over larger obstacles. But end of the day dirt, snow and mud can’t stop the Forester. Great for small families who like to go on adventures and get some decent mpg and great comfort on the way there. This is just my opinion.
I own a Tacoma 4x4 and a 14 Forester XT. They are both great, but the Forester is a blast to drive and has a surprisingly large amount of space. I also put AT's on it. Haven't had a chance to test them out yet.
I have a 2015 Forester XT, with K02 all terrian tires. For semi rough dirt off, it's perfect. It gets me to the trailhead with no issues. The thing i like about the forester is that i spend the majority of the time on the freeway. The turbo does get me decent mpg and has tons of passing power on the freeway, going up hill and has decent handling for the long sweepers on the freeway. Sure it's not as capable pure offroading as a 4 runner. But for good handling, decent power and decent off road capability, it's perfect. The suspension feels pretty solid and stiff, perfect for the street, but slightly rough for offroading. I got the car as an adventure car take me out of town for camping and getting to the trailhead.
If you're more offroad oriented, the 4Runner is a great pick. But if you're doing both daily drives and some decent offroading with premium features, the Forester is for you.
THAT is the bottom line of this--- depends on your USE.... PERIOD. (or just preference if you like the "truck" experience every day)... I DO prefer the truck experience- but have no real USE for it any more-- but I'm tired of "just cars" too.. )
In every one of your videos I've seen I've been most impressed with the music listed on your infortainment demos - even across different genres.
Being a former Subaru owner ... I would never say anything bad about them. If you want a vehicle that require zero driver skill, and just wanna go MAYBE 50% of where a runner can go with ease ... then get it. You won’t be 100% happy, but you will not be 100% disappointed either. You will simply live in that segment ‘that wishes for a bit more the entire duration of your ownership’ ... that’s all
I loved my Subaru ... currently own an 18 runner ... I was simply always wanting more everything (Cept silly gadgets) ... the runner you need to learn it ... but once you do ... you are unstoppable ... the Subaru there isn’t much to do except keep going until you hit its inevitable limit ... period ... it’s a car
They are geeky.
I know the 4Runner is considered outdated by many because it does have a lot of tech features, like radar or blind spot etc... But that's why I'm thinking of checking it out. I tend to keep my cars forever and reliability is more important to me and I have never been a fan of adding a lot of things that will break and cost a lot of money to fix years after the warranty has expired.
I am currently about to get rid of my 20 years old car because it's not worth fixing it but I took care of it and got a good couple of decades out of it without any major issues for most of that time.
Two totally different vehicles. You have to ask yourself, do you want a real truck, or a fairly capable grocery getter. Check out TFL truck review on the 2019 4 Runner. I doubt any SUV, would be able to do that, that wasn’t a body on frame design. Although I do have a lot of respect for the Subaru, I would go for the 4 runner. Simple, strong, and reliable.
11:07 If you want off-road with the forester?, change the tires; look a RAV4 for it test, but don't use the 4runner. Both are so good SUV, but in your level.
you buy the 4runner for durability, simplicity for some fantasy overlanding. I've had a forester, outback and now a 4runner. Subaru is solid too, only limited by ground clearance and overhang
Very fair video. My forester isnt a rock crawler and I dont like the cvt. BUT I've been up chimney mountain trail in north Georgia with my stock forester and have seen jaws drop at the top when I pull up. Subaru will always seize to amaze.
Best part of the 4Runner is that is doesn’t have all the gimmicky tech. Pay attention when you drive or don’t drive.
jaasun71 that’s not gimmicky tech you just sound like someone who hasn’t had a new car
@@ferretsmiles I dont want or need a car to tell me when I need a nap, or when to brake
Gimmicky tech, what do you think the 4Runner crawl control is? I have one similar to what was reviewed and the so called off road features that are added over the base models are nothing but a gimmick. I used them a number of times and quickly figured out it's better to go without them and relieved on your common sense driving experience. If you don't have the skills you may need these systems. My advice after driving this "car" for several years, don't waste your money on things that aren't needed.
@@blackdiamond5015 Multi Terrain Select, Atrac and the rear locker are not gimmicky tech, they all have their time and place, crawl control is gimmicky tech in most cases, but people love it, I never use it
@CrazyLegsMcGee Understand how it works. Similar to the Terrain Control the question is whether it's worth having these systems on the new 4-Runners. After having driven a Trail Premium for three years I can honestly say neither system adds much if any value and manual braking and driver experience driving over terrain works just fine if not better. Tech geeks will never agree but that's what I've found to hold true. Don't waste the money...
Basically, you're taking your Bass loafers hiking on a one track. Yes they fit your feet and protect them well. The first time you have to climb over something or walk through tall grass, you'll wish for the 4Runner. Last I remember, I could go to the grocery store in my 4Runner and wear my boots. I could always downgrade to less capability but I'll be able to get along with my 4Runner for years. But be fore warned, don't get a 4Runner if you didn't want an SUV.
The first thing you missed is payload. Max out the Forrester and try it off road then we'll talk again. 4 adults and some gear in the Forrester and you've lost about 2 inches of ground clearance. You'll loose nothing in the 4Runner with it's solid rear axle. The Forrester will start bottoming out on small bumps at speed where the 4Runner will actually drive smoother. Finally, you have a CVT in the Forrester and will run out of initial torque to climb even modest obstacles. No problem with the 4Runner and it's low range. I've driven a Subaru off road for a couple of years and now I drive a FJ Cruiser. You think the Forrester is underpowered, load it up and it becomes unacceptable. No passing reserver, buzzing to climb hills and downright dangerous when merging. You won't find that with the 4Runner. Don't say that the Forrester does most of what the 4Runner can do. The truth is that its as good as most crossovers specially off road, but it can't hold a candle to the 4Runner in deep snow, soft sand, mud, ice in deep puddles, deep water, payload, towing, rough dirt roads. Not only that, but you can off road for years in the 4Runner and after doing it with any unitized body vehicle, it will shake itself to pieces. Nice try but no cigar.
They're not disputing the fact that a BoF SUV is superior when the going gets tough. They're making the argument that for the average owner, the crossover does everything they want and need with less compromise.
@@ALMX5DP And I'm saying that while the Subi handles and rides better on road it is under powered and this gets almost dangerous when fully loaded with passengers and or stuff. Unladen it does pretty well off road, but this degrades a lot if loaded and anyone that wants to off road with a CVT is risking overheating it and damaging it if they"re not careful. This was observed in another video I saw where a warning light for overheating the CVT was activated. There's a reason they're not rated to tow much. Usually because the payload can't take much of a tongue load or the drive train can't handle the work. I just think they overstated the off road and on road capabilities of the Forrester.
Denis LeBlanc well I can’t argue that they may be overstating things for the sake of a review. I just feel like they’re looking at it from an average user perspective.
Denis nailed it, end of story!
My family and I are the average user you are talking about. 95% of our driving is daily commuting and the other 5% is camping.
We have had Subaru's for many years and have been getting progressively more outdoor oriented. This year we upgraded to a 4runner for basically every reason Denis has stated. While the Outback we had was great for in town it severely underperformed while loaded with a weekends worth of camping gear, a roof top tent, and my full family (wife, daughter, 90lbs dog, and me). If we wanted to only glamp and didn't mind being right next to the next campers that would be ok and we wouldn't need ground clearance but we actually wanted to get out in nature. The 4runner on the other hand has done wonderfully.
Also, if they wanted to compare niceties they should have compared the 4runner limited to the Forester touring.
Have a Forester and it does just fine. Of course the 4 runner is able to be more of an off roader but kudos to subaru. It may not be able to climb mountains at 90 degrees like Toyota but that’s not why I bought mine. It’s the best of both worlds, city driving and occasional camping off the beat and path. Good review edmunds. Hope to see some other SUVs reviewed.
So a 4 cylinder compact unibody CUV is cheaper, more efficient, and more comfortable than a V6 mid-size BOF SUV that is better off-road and can tow more.........Oh look, an Edmunds review. Maybe they'll tell me something I don't know.
I think the takeaway was that the crossover has caught up to the traditional SUV. Less compromises overall while still being more capable than 95% of what people need or desire their vehicle to do.
@@ALMX5DP Bullsh*t.
@@skipper5951 You dont have to like it. They conclude that very sentiment at the end of the video...
The Cherokee XJ is unibody and it kicks ass off road. Bof is pointless.
@@somanymods they are also good at leaving you stranded on the side of a trail :/
I absolutely love Toyota off road capability, but my wife’s ascent is awesome on the trail, with a spotter I was impressed by the rocks that suv was crawling over.
No one asked for this comparison, should of been 2019 RAV4 Adventure vs 2019 Forester off road comparison.
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would be pointless the rav wouldn't stand a chance
Yeah i agree, specifically the RAV4 TRD Offroad
I went from a 4Runner to a Forestor. I miss the space of the 4Runner when it came to moving household items but I don’t miss the gas mileage.
Did the same a week ago. Also trust the Subaru AWD more. The 4runner has the better engine, but I had a transfer case fail out of the blue and it soured my opinion of the part time 4wd Toyota uses.
I traded my 2017 Subaru Forester XT in on a 2018 4Runner TRD Off-Road, BIG mistake! My Forester was like a sports car, where the 4Runner is like driving a boat. Nearly a year later, I am still bummed out about it.
My condolences
Turbo probably would have blown up by then.
To be honest I have owned both trucks. The only difference I can tell when hardcore offroading is the subaru gets stuck less due to its light weight. Very noticeable when hitting mud, sand or snow. The Subaru is way better. Rock crawling not so good, but still impressive. No other cross over touch's the Subaru
Never thought of this comparison but it was nice to see
As somebody who was legitimately cross shopping a truck, 4runner, and a crossover this was an interesting test.
I ended up with a Forester due to being able to do everything I would want to do in a 4runner and get 10 more mpg. The test isn't completely invalid due to being different demographics.
The rear lockers on the 4Runner will take you places the Forester can only dream of.
Yeah, but how many 4Runner owners go to those "places"? Hello'? Anybody home?
I do all the time and I own a 2WD 4runner HELLO!
@Ocee Bee I have figuratively taken my dog on the Ho Chi Mon trail.
And the FRONT and REAR lockers of the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon will take you so much further. :-)
@@jeffissimo1221...except the Jeep will break down before you get to use said lockers.
I live in Canada and the 4runner is incredible all year around!!!
Nice feature.
Though you didn't do just with the Foresrer.
The key is -
Choose the line - and Don't stop!
keep the momentum
it works like magic.
Happy new year
Blinka Bot I noticed that too. You need to keep momentum as the Subaru doesn’t have the low end torque and gearing to get going again
Let's be honest; better tires would have made a _big_ difference on the Subaru. It doesn't matter how good your AWD system is, if none of your tires are biting the ground. Traction matters more than all of the fancy controls. That's why even my old Suburban does well on the trails: It has the right tires.
So the "off road" test conclusion is to just say that 95% of people won't go on real off road terrain?! Thats helpful... If someone wants a vehicle to drive on gravel and dirt roads nearly any vehicle can do that. The Subaru clearly can deal with any poorly maintained road better than many car type vehicles and similar to other cute-utes. But the reason you get a Wrangler or 4runner is because you hope to go on real off road adventures or regularly do so, or live somewhere that may need that level of utility. Having the excess capability is also critical when you encounter freak hail, rain, snow storms that turn simple dirt forest service roads into mud bogs, where rock slides, fallen trees and spring run off can create road washouts, even whole trails being blocked etc. Often most forrest service trails go for miles and tend to get more difficult the higher you go, if you vehicle does not have the capability, you could be stuck miles from the trail head or destination. If anything but a perfectly dry and well maintained forrest service road is encountered with the Subaru you could be out of luck. The 4runner will be much more likely to be able to deal with what ever the trail throws at you. The Subaru is not built with real off road in mind, If you push the Subaru's limits regularly you are certain to damage parts of the vehicle vs a vehicle made specifically for those challenges and breaking down in the back country has the potential to be both dangerous and expensive to be rescued from. I almost never see Subaru owners putting tough off road tires on their vehicles, most likely thing to happen is tearing a sidewall of a tire or puncturing on a sharp rock on an obstacle with the "car" tires people always run on Subaru's. I don't get the test like this... these are 2 different categories of vehicles. There are a million cute-ute Suabru like cars made by every manufacture from Toyota to Lamborghini, obviously 95% of customers are content with those vehicles and the majority will never see anything but perhaps a gravel road or well traveled dirt road so why compare them to some of the last real off road capable vehicles still made (Wrangler/4runner) for the 5% who do drive that stuff and the even large number who want to reserve the capability to do so if they get the chance. Why don't you do this test on Hells revenge in Moab or Black Bear pass in Telluride and see which vehicle you wan't or can take if you want to do a "off road" test?
Cool vid, thank you for making it and sharing it with us! I finally pulled the trigger and purchased a Forester tonight. I won't be subjecting it to any significant trail challenges like those the 4Runner was obviously superior at, but I will be taking it on some fireroad-types of roads for mountain biking, camping, fishing, etc. which I think it will do perfectly well on. Cheers! Liked and subscribed.
Wouldn't comparing to a rav4 be more realistic? I own both, if I'm going elk hunting, I take the fourrunner,if I'm taking my wife on the town,I take my 2019 forester sport.
@Ebn -Falasteen I love it, but got it for my wife, her nickname is CRASH
This was a great review. I have the 4runner and the both guys were really good. The forester reminds me of my MDX. Those are bomb as well. Only get the 4runner if you are an off road enthusiast. Forester is great for the other 95% of the population.
Sigh.
The comments down here are truly idiotic, sorry to say.
The _very point_ of the test was to see how an everyday non-off-road mission critical vehicle compares to a traditional body-on-frame off-road mission critical vehicle.
It's _not_ supposed to be some Jeep vs. 4Runner off-road test to the death.
ffs
true. As expected the idiots are out in force.
This is a youtube comment section. Why do both of you sound surprised?
Toyota owners get defensive when you compare ANYTHING to them. The answer is always “resale and reliability”.
Subaru owners do too, mostly because of the expenses associated to keep them reliable, but the justification is always “symmetrical AWD”.
It's all man-children stroking their schlongs of course. Been there, done that. Having learned to drive in a cruiser I always knew soft-roaders were nothing cars - inferior for everything. After being offered a sweet deal on a forester some years ago, now I get it. The Forester was the exception to the rule and the better car for most people most of the time. I don't want the new one because of the lack of low range and manual, but I am sure it's a good car, especially in the US where autos are almost the rule.
Hey I just want to get drunk and abuse slightly different-thinking people from the comfort of my own home. What's your problem?
So many haters here. I can understand why they'd be confused at first as to why compare these 2 vehicles. But after reading some comments and putting some thought into it, it's not rocket science. First of all there are a few commenters who have both vehicles. Second of all I was in the exact position of trying to decide between these two vehicles. It all came down to a matter of experience and preference for me. Thank you for this video. It helped me a lot.
I have an '05 Toyota 4Runner with 250,000 miles on it......Original engine, transmission, exhaust system, shocks. It's an unapologetic, gets terrible fuel economy......and most of all, it's all about that Holy shit moment, I can't believe i just made it up that trail! So if you lack the nerve to drive on anything more than a washed out dirt road with some pot holes........Nah, I'll still take the tested and true reliability of the 4Runner, over the questionable reliability of a Subaru.
Tony Iacona 4.7 or 4.0?
I have a 2004 V6 with 250,000 miles :). Thing is a beast.
@@er1115 It's the 4.7 Limited
Excellent points Tony. I have owned 4 Subarus - daily drivers. They are super comfortable and the AWD is great in the snow. However, I cannot say that they are reliable. All my Subarus have had serious and expensive engine issues around the 120,000 km mark. I don't know what it is with Subaru. The reliability is just not there long term. Toyota has Subaru beat hands down in the quality and longevity department. I drive 110 kms round trip for work in a 2015 Outback. My wife drives a 2011 Toyota Prius 140 kms round trip for work. Her Prius has 245,000 kms. Her car has not had a single issue and is rolling like a boss. It is truly unbelievable. I think the Prius is uglier than sin, but I cannot knock its reliability. My next purchase will be a Toyota.
@@giotism my prius has 450,000km and it has been used to tow a small trailer frequently. Toyota makes fantastic cars.
Silverados are lucky if they make it 200,000 miles....after you've poured countless $1000s in in everyday repairs; bodywork, brake lines, pads, rotors, more bodywork, regulators (3).... *etc*
Excellent performance and good off road though.
All my life I wanted a 4-Runner, in fact I am shopping for one now but always go back to the 3.6 Outback... I discovered if I can't handle the road in 3.6R, I probably won't tackle it in the 4-Runner either. But the biggest decision is the 10 hr test. I had a brand new 4-Runner rental few years back so stoked but after a week we were so tired of driving it... so exhausting. For some reason 4-Runner tires you out. The steering needs to be adjusted constantly. Subura on the other hand past the 10 hr long drive test. I am on my 6th Outback 3.6 in the family btw. Wife 2018 with the kiddo, no brainer the car drives by itself got home from the dealer without touching the brake (w/o the kiddo of course). Ready to get rid of 2013 3.6R & the only thing stopping me for the 4-runner is this kind of video & review... aye. I'll get one if I move to the mountains. One Sub & one 4-Runner would be perfect. Great comparsion because people DO cross shop these 2 vehicles - ask anyone lives in Colorado.
BTW the 3.6R would've make it up that hill... easily!
If I had money it would be a 4 runner all day
I'd love one. A 4runner would be too much fun.
nah rather have the subaru more practical and more fun.
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
MrKeefrichards fun? Stfu
wckdkoolbtxh they are called tents, also you can’t haul and tow shit so the Taco wins
This is a good comparo because it shows just how good the Subaru is. Sure the Yota' is better off-road and towing, but theSubaru is better at everything else. Handling, comfort, efficiency, driving range and safety go to to the Forester.
Yeah... but the Subaru has a CVT. One thing not measured here is longevity. The 4runner doesnt have all the latest electronics for this reason. I think the people who buy 4runners understand and appreciate this. That CVT will be done within 100000 miles especially if there is any heavy use like towing and offroading involved.
I have a Crosstrek and our company vehicle at work is a 4Runner. Definitely my Subaru is better on roads and the AWD is very sure footed when it's snowy or icy. I'm sure the Toyota can make it into places my Subaru can't but the car-like handing and driving experience is much better for regular use vs the clunkiness and body roll of the 4Runner. Still both are great vehicles.
You forgot to remove the “place holder” mark at 9:40 lol.
Loved this video tho!
I test drove alot of 4Runners. I went with the 2020 Subaru Outback Onyx XT a few days ago. Although it wasn't cheap either, I got ALOT more for my money it's not even close, and it feels like a luxury overlander when I drive it to work. P.S. It's turbocharged.
Should come with a disclaimer.. An ad for Subaru. Many other crossover suvs can do what Forrester does. 95% of the time isn't good enough for use cases 4runner is built for. The 5% is what will make you go rent a 4runner like car for trails like this.
all it takes is one bad patch in the bush, and you're F'ed. that's how the couple died in the snow with their crossover in Oregon. They thought their awd could handle the rough stuff and got lost / stuck.
odd comparison but i get it. As an owner of a 15 Forester XT (RIP dear turbo Forester) and a 18 4runner TRD i can say the Forester will be able to handle 99% of what 99% of people use them for ... on and off road. 4runner is a better choice if you do much more "advanced" offroading, need decent towing (note it tows like a dog) and want a simple no frills tank that will run for 300k miles. These vehicles are cross-shopped more than most think.
As a 2x 4Runner owner, I have to say this vehicle was one of the best SUV's I've owned...btw this is a poor comparison. It should of been a Highlander vs. Ascent or Rav4 vs. Forester.
I have the feeling you missed the point of this video. There is no doubt that the 4Runner is the true off roader of the group. The point the video was making is the Forester can do about 90-95% of what the 4Runner can do off road while being a better daily driver for the average consumer.
I dont think you understand the point of this video lol
Did you even watch the video?
An everyday issue that is often missed is payload. When you start loading the Forester with 4 adults and their gear, you get very close to the maximum payload of approximately 1,300 lbs. Combine this with a relatively small displacement engine and CVT and you have a vehicle that has to work much harder. Towing is limited to 1,500 lbs if you want to bring a tent camper.
Like the Forester as a city vehicle but would like to see how well it does over the long-term.
I bought the 4runner because it's a Toyota, better visibility, safer, and better looking. I didn't even consider a Subaru.
LOL Subaru by far has the best visibility! Better than Toyota or any other brand. But yes the Toyota is a tougher car.
So????
There are a lot of these comparisons between “off-road” vehicles and Subarus. Just like all the other videos I’ve seen the people commenting take it all way to personally. This and other videos like it wasn’t about seeing how much alike or different each vehicle is. It was about what the average person (90% of licensed drivers) would be better off buying. As always the genius comments come out about what company is better or what’s better off road or the more off-roading a vehicle can do the better it is. Yup, because that’s where 90% of people drive.....off road, because there isn’t any paved roads anywhere so why would you buy something that’s more comfortable, gets better gas mileage and handles better on the road.
Min 10:50 to 11:00 False!!! Subaru can do it, that and more, who have one of this know it and 'v see it.
Victor R. Cortes stfu
I agree, he didn't even put it in x mode
Just send it and it'll go up
Correct its FALSE.The subaru forester could have gone up it. He didn't put faith in it and much power and made the Subaru Forester look like an idiot car.The Subaru FORESTER is much more capable. Subaru's make the best AWD SYSTEM
@@nischalvaradhan4303 if it's the best awd system why did it just spin one wheel and not go anywhere?
I think none of us are surprised about this, but you can just slap some king springs (or spacers) and off-road tires on that Forester and you're set.
Give me the Toyota 4runner anyday!
I own a Forester and an Outback but I much rather have a 4 runner. I just don't need one at this point. But the 4 runner is superior, It's a great truck. I would much rather have it over a Jeep.
Patrick Sheehan Thank you for being so honest I have the 4runner and it is an amazing vehicle and I will take it to my grave.
I’ve had 3 foresters and all 3 had to have the head gaskets replaced. Expensive!!!
I get it why this comparison was done. Everyday average Joe who goes drives hundreds of miles to get to the dirt road and then goes off road driving that is not a Monster Truck Red Bull competition needs to able to see this comparison to see where his level of off roading and regular driving fits better with which vehicle.Good approach by Edmunds on doing this comparison.
I'd rather have a Forester in a snow storm than a 4runner
These are the 2 cars I shopped for in Jan 2017, and ended up with Forester XT. Extra 70 hp of XT (over base Forester's 180hp) made a huge difference on drivability (CVT is no longer sluggish). Still great on snow, they still have no blind spots, and I get around 22-25 mpg (on cheap 87 gas). I am waiting for warranty to expire to add a skid plate, 2-3" lift and knobby tires. It should be able to keep up with a 4Runner on most trails/terrain. Or I can go STI route (Cobb Accessport, coilover, air intake/exhaust) and have a Macan S or Turbo equivalent that can actually go off road.
Before XT I was driving a 2012 Land Cruiser with 4.7L in urban jungles/swamps abroad. I couldn't justify a brand new Land Cruiser in '17 driving on mostly pavement back in the US, but was giving 4Runner a serious look because I wanted a built-in-Japan Toyota (I have a 97 Prius, 95 Previa AllTrac and 95 LS400 all running still). If you have driven a Series 100/200 Land Cruiser, you would know they drive a lot smaller because of good visibility, big windows and hood that slopes down. Got in the 4Runner and found visibility (front/back) to be as awful as a full size pickup truck/cargo van. Throw in plastic cabin from the mid 90's, and very toy like axles, diff, suspension, frame, linkages, joints and weld spots compare to a Land Cruiser, I just couldn't buy a 4Runner. Your $40K+ is better spend on a used Land Cruiser.
Why don’t you compare a Lamborghini aventador vs Toyota Prius next? 4Runner haters lol
C M the Forester runs circles around the 4Runner? lol that's funnyyy
Toyota and subaru are the same company nimrod
C M wow a smaller crossover beats a suv in a drag race. Great inference
C M and in snow the word “dominate” is a bit exaggerated. I live right by Breckinridge, Colorado and have never felt uncomfortable on snow in the 4Runner, and that’s with all terrain ko2s. Funny actually because despite the forester, and all Subaru’s for that matter, are advertised primarily for their snow capability. I’ll say it’s definitely capable for those early morning grocery trips in some slush. I like Subaru for what they do and I definitely like the look of their crosstrek, but come on, don’t build it up to be anything more then what it is.
It also beats an f-150 around a track and in mpg what’s your point? It’s one of the best selling vehicles in the nation. I feel like your issue is that you try to classify the two vehicles in the same class when in reality, both physically and on paper, there is no comparing the two. You can attempt, but nothing hides the fact that you buy it for your teen driver or if you can’t afford the runner.
I'd love a 4runner if I could afford it, but I am happy to say that this video made me feel better about my Crosstrek. Thanks!
The mentioned getting "off the beaten path"... when are they going to do that?
We like our foresters, living in northern New England, we get 6 months of winter, 2 months of mud season and another 6 months of winter. I know it doesn’t add up but that’s Yankee math for you. Anyway granted we only have 2012 and 13 models but first thing to do when leaving the “road” is to shut traction control off and let drivetrain do its thing. No motor reving and no smell of your brakes fighting the engine as you go. And it works better.
Ah, the 95% of the time argument. If people bought their “95% use” vehicle, everyone would have a minivan, Ridgeline or Prius. Better to have it and not need it, as the saying goes.
Better to pretend you need it than let your neighbors know you just need a minivan
@@williamedstrom5681 hahahahahaha! Epic.
Yeah, it's just like body armor. You're probably never going to need it, but it's better to wear it all the time and not need it than risk getting shot at on the ONE day you leave it at home. Plus it lets everyone know how cool you are, and that's the real point, right? I personally wouldn't be caught DEAD going to the movies or the beach without my kevlar on over my tank top. You never know, right?! You never know. One day I might get shot at, by some deranged surfer, and one day you might have a rocky mountain face spring up in front of you on your way home from work. Best to be prepared!
I have both. subaru will take me anywhere I want to go and because I live in the city it gets much better gas mileage
95% of the time I don't have hang out with 95% of the population, that's why I bought a proper 4x4 which means it has low range and a difflock.
One of the most puzzling things never seems to be mentioned even in fair comparisons like this. Reliability VS safety. Being unsettled on paved roads is one thing. But why will the 4Runner keep from breaking down for so long, and yet be so much less safe in IIHS and NHTSA safety tests? It's a real catch-22. I wish someone would make a vehicle that was highly capable off-road and on-road, while being extremely reliable AND extremely safe. Every retail vehicle seems to be lacking in at least one of these aspects.
So many car reviewers like these don't know how to drive active AWD vehicles.
You need to maintain throttle input.
If you keep letting go of the gas, you don't allow the AWD system to work.
This is basic knowledge that sadly, too many drivers and reviewers don't know.
The Subaru cuts power trying to prevent spinning. You can floor it and it just dies.
That's what the new deep snow/mud mode is for. To allow spinning and not just cut power
Paul Martin
Active AWD requires constant throttle input so that the system can then decide where to send the power. 😉
Brandon Fenton
Correct, but it only works with constant throttle input.
@@RobertLeBlancPhoto yeah I was wondering why he didn't even attempt the hill, he was pulsing the acceleration and I'm just sitting here like "Well thats not how you do that at all, and you are totally ignoring the next level of x mode, but okay". For daily driver I do like the Subaru tho, especially for heavy snow on paved roads and the capability of x mode.
To many car guys say to many things. Their is an assessment here. The outcome is always personal preference.
The 4runner is by far superior. I wouldn't take the Subaru threw mustard ground rd lol last time I was there 2 got stuck. Drove the 4RUNNER from sc to mi and back great family trip truck. Handling and power was wonderful. I felt safe. The family calls it a baby tank. They love it.
The 4RUNNER comes with links built in to strap stuff down in the back interior also.
I think anyone reviewing a Forester who failed to mention it's acceleration being as slowing as a Prius is not doing a very good job.
EJ Wu Do you work at Toyota? What do you care?
Actually the 0-60 time of a '19 Prius is over a second slower than the '19 Forester.
@@ozzierabbit587 I'm new to Subaru, and find that a 2019 Forester, while obviously not a sportscar, is quite satisfactory in the horsepower/"pep" department for most driving conditions. It compares favorably to my former SUVs in terms of acceleration and comfort, and even exceeds most in cargo capacity and ground clearance..
I know this is old, but I've got a '19 forester, and while yes... acceleration from a dead stop leaves some to be desired, once I'm at speed, it actually has pretty good passing power. Then again, I came from a car from '92 that weighed more than the forester and had 20 less horsepower when it was brand new Haha
William stfu bitch
the suspension range of the 4 runner is better, but did they take off traction control and try a little harder ? it looked like, if they took the right path, subi would have done it as well... I've off roaded with my 2011 santa fe and I believe I could of done that, as long as I don't bottom out... tires make a big difference..
Great review!! Now I wonder how the towing capacity of my moped compares to a semi...
I literally laughed out loud several times. Thanks for the great video, guys.
I own a 4 runner and I will give the forester a lot of credit, the 4 runner had all terrain tires and the forester had all seasons, big difference off road, my only problem with the forester is how ugly it is and how bad mechanically Subaru’s are
Mechanically in what área???
My Subarus have always been good to me mechanically 🤷♂️
This was many years ago but I’ve met 2 WRX owners with engine problems, the one guy blew his first motor at 60000km and he said the second engine was going, he also said he drove his car very hard, and I had a friend with an older legacy lots of problems, transmission the biggest of the problems, I believe the sti and wrx engine trouble is common but I may be wrong, something about accelerating hard at low rpm
If you wanted heated seats, soft touch and leather to go along with the off road ability you should have chosen the 4Runner limited. The limited has everything the Subaru has but it still a real off roader!
lm thinking Scottie's vote is going for the TOYOTA !!
What you're not comparing especially when it comes to cost is longevity and low maintenance. I had a 2008 4Runner with 160,000 kms that never needed any maintenance other than oil changes and lube. That's right the brakes not only did not need servicing like lubing the sliders and all that but went the entire 160,000kms and still passed the safety at time of sale. My friends Forester for instance was constantly in for brake maintenance every 45K and even needed the engine replaced under warranty. The 4Runner saved me thousands of dollars over the Subaru while only costing a little more in fuel and never missed a beat and nothing needed replacement, not even a light bulb.
If Subaru made a reliable vehicle I would consider them. In addition to their lack of quality They are stuck with a CVT transmission. No one ever says any CVT is best in class.
False. I babied my 2010 XT. Blew two turbos before it took out the engine. The Impreza I owned before it had a gas tank leak and leaky oil HG.... Never get another Subaru. Piece of shit lmao
Late to the party but had a 2014 outback. Better than 80k and never had cvt or hg issues. Was a rather reliable vehicle. Traded in for the 2020 forester sport. Expect to have the same reliability from it. Hate to break this to the subaru haters but every car manufacturer has issues, defects, recalls, and problems. Subaru is no different.
Just to own a Subaru “good save cars” , but now I own 4runner big difference I love it , no regrets paying more money.
Great mash up! People cross shop all the time. Helped me contextualize the Forester's offroad chops against the off-road king. And, yes 95% of the time will be on-road. Great review. Next time, just tell the dude not to wear his office shirt on a camping trip. Tell em to loosen up, too. it's UA-cam... not a corporate boardroom.
I get that most people are saying that is an unfair comparison but what I think you have to realize is that this video demonstrates just how capable the Forester is and how close it is in comparison to the 4Runner. Yes, most people would probably not perform such extreme Off Roading as they attempted in the video but it does show just how far you can take the Forester. Sometimes you do need to compare between apples and oranges just to show how good the orange really is compared to the apple and that the difference is not as striking as you may think.
clark’s grade, i know that trail like the back of my hand!
Am i the only person in this comment section who never had any problems with his Subaru and doesnt hate it.
I cant think of any other car which can get me up a lvl 4 jeep trail and in the same time easily achive 200km/h on the highway with 10-12l/100(27-30mpg). Not to mention the unbelievable confidence while turning.
I am not a die hard offroader so id go for the Forester any day.
My dad have driven a 1999 Foz for 10 years and now drives a 2007 one. I see why he does!
So, the 4Runner has more room, more power, more ground clearance, better driver visibility, is far better off road, does just fine on road, and you'd go with the Forester because it uses less gas and rides more like a car?
How about also comparing total cost to own? The 4Runner's resale value is among the highest of all vehicles. You absolutely can't say that about the Forester.
Did you watch the video? They mentioned all of those points except driver visibility. Which is questionable as subarus are known for having very large windows. The vast majority of people dont even take their Forerunner on a dirt road. I know, I've lived in Oahu and Forerunners are the most popular vehicle on the island. There are almost no off roading spots.
Foresters place top ten for vehicle resale value with the Forerunner being #2. I can handle being #10 if I'm paying 10k less upfront.
Edmunds, can you please make a video interviewing a Subaru technician on how to drive Subaru's symmetrical AWD. For example, does traction control stay on or off when off-road? Do we need to feather the throttle or is it full power all the way? What is the best way to get the full potential of x-mode?
Would have been better if you did the RAV 4 vs Forester 2019's both are crossover.
Worth my time to watch your video.Thumb up
Why are we even comparing the Subaru Forester to the Toyota 4Runner? They aren't even in the same segment. Try again. But, if we are going to compare the Forester to the 4Runner, that isn't even a comparison. When it comes to being a more proper SUV, the 4Runner is just better than the Forester. That is not debatable. The 4Runner is just the better SUV between the two. This should've been obvious from the start. Personally I still genuinely liked the new Forester for what it was so don't come barking at me for being bias.
Why not compare crossovers to the benchmark? I feel it's more meaningful than comparing them against each other, because even if one was superior, both could still completely suck when put into light offroad situations.
like most of the idiots you missed the point of the comparison.
It's like you didn't even watch the video. My wife's red liptstick is better than both the Toyota 4Runner AND the Subaru, that's not even debatable.
Depends on what is meant by "better". The 4Runner is clearly not a better daily driver than the Forester, which is what many people use them for.
@@ALMX5DP The thing is, they can't be compared. This is like comparing apple to oranges. You need to compare within segments because that's where most people are likely to be cross-buyers. No on'es going to jump from a small crossover SUV to a mid-size body-on-frame SUV.
The 4Runner is still better off-road and is more capable than the Forester. Higher ground clearance, true 4X4 capabilities, more accurate angles of approach/breakover/departure, limited slip/locking differentials in all axles, more flexible suspension, solid recovery points tied with a winch, bigger tires, aftermarket off-road enhancements, etc. All of this means that the 4Runner will handle basically anything being thrown at it thus leaving the Forester to the dust.
It would really make sense if the Forester was instead being compared to a more direct competitor: The new RAV4 (the Adventure trim to be the most exact)
Hey everyone, for fun, look at any and all Subaru comparison videos on here! They always use the summer or all season tires on Tue Subaru and the other vehicle/monster has winter or all terrain tires. The Subaru always holds its own or wipes the floor with the competitor!!!
I own a Subaru Forester XT and it has 250 HP and has double roll bars, reinforced steel in the doors and the boxer engine is at least 18-20 inches lower than all other vehicles and keeps it from flipping. Also if you're in a head on collision, the engine slides under your feet instead of breaking your legs. I could go on for days!!
As a Forester owner it doesn’t surprise me how capable the Subí can handle itself off-road!!
What they don’t mention is the confidence a 4Runner gives you when going off-road. When you’re in a unibody crossover off-road and feel the car flexing and bending, you realize how much more vulnerable you are to really breaking something. Come down awkwardly on one tire on a steep descent...are you going to snap an axle on the Subaru? Always being afraid of breakage limits what you’d be willing to do in the forester probably before you reach the limits of its ability. That being said, if you’re mainly looking for a commuter/kid shuttle, and something you can occasionally take camping or kayaking...well, point taken.
CVT transmission and old school boxer engine on the Subaru .... I’ll take the 4Runner
I like playing in the Colorado Rockies. So the 4runner is a must to get around the mountain passes.