Singing After Vocal Damage | Cyndi Lauper - True Colors | Vocal Coach Reacts & Analysis

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  • @BethRoars
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  • @keith6485
    @keith6485 3 місяці тому +31

    Cyndi is something really special. Her voice has always been so enjoyable to hear.

  • @blortmeister
    @blortmeister 3 місяці тому +28

    Cindy has the ability to crack me wide open--particularly with this song. She has such a different voice when you compare her to her 80s contemporaries. Yet it carries so much pure emotional content. Love her so much!

  • @Ocrilat
    @Ocrilat 3 місяці тому +13

    She sings this and I get tears in my eyes. She has such a way with singing so sincerely. Very moving.

  • @Branwhin
    @Branwhin 3 місяці тому +4

    Awww - this song is just STUNNING and so incredibly sweet. I love Cyndi's singing in general too - how she can be just all fun and bouncy, but can also hold such emotional weight and tenderness. She's amazing.

  • @TheEdgeOfChairs
    @TheEdgeOfChairs 3 місяці тому +3

    She has such a beautiful voice with such unique character

  • @mattcarroll5603
    @mattcarroll5603 3 місяці тому +12

    Dear Beth, App-uh-lay-shun is indeed correct. I can tell you for certain because I live there. Thank you so much for the entertainment and knowledge. Much love from the U.S.

    • @profanepersonality
      @profanepersonality 2 місяці тому +1

      Just because you and your kin is so dumb they mispronounce the name of their area, doesn't mean your mispronunciation is correct.

  • @breckhollis1089
    @breckhollis1089 3 місяці тому +5

    Just to be precise, she suffered a collapsed vocal cord in 1978 while singing in a cover band. Blue Angel came after she recovered. Between the She's So Unusual album and the True Colors album she had surgery for an inverted cist. She still works with the same vocal coach who helped rebuild her voice in 1978. Her voice has changed, but not nearly as much as you would expect. She has several different "voices", and can switch between them at will. Listen to All Through the Night from the "Live in Paris" Concert movie. There's moderate "gravel" in her voice throughout most of the song, but then she sings a wordless outro, all the gravel disappears and she finishes with a shimmering whistle note that is just extraordinary.

  • @BobbyGeneric145
    @BobbyGeneric145 2 місяці тому +4

    Cyndi is absolutely class act.

  • @Tom-x9d
    @Tom-x9d 3 місяці тому +3

    It’s great when a singers actual TIMBRE is their TRADEMARK . Stevie Nicks, Rod Stewart , Sting etc. you know Immediately who it is !

  • @Wungolioth
    @Wungolioth 3 місяці тому +8

    At first, like a lot of people, I dismissed Cyndi as a teeniebopper fad for kids, liked her unorthodox look but didn't really notice anything special. Until the day I sat and watched her Live in Paris performance, and that blew me away. I ended up dating and marrying a young woman few years later who was a huge fan of hers. I actually found a copy of Blue Angel's record for her, which won me some points when we first started dating.

  • @divatalk9011
    @divatalk9011 3 місяці тому +10

    Cyndi Lauper is such an underrated Diva, so many of her know Cyndi as quirky neon soaked pop star of the 80s, yet few remember just how gifted a vocalist she has always been.
    For a more direct example of her extremely top quality belting, I would highly recommend her live version of Money Changes Everything from the Live At last tour on UA-cam

  • @bookwoman53
    @bookwoman53 3 місяці тому +4

    Last year Cyndi sang True Colors at a close friend’s funeral in the small town where I live. She was in the choir loft with her guitar and a mic. The congregation couldn’t see her up there but her voice is unmistakable. Cyndi knew the deceased from the early days before she was famous .
    I sing in the choir on Sundays. The music director/ organist had to admit that he was a bit star struck. He mostly plays Bach and Mozart.

  • @Alice_Tiburcio
    @Alice_Tiburcio 3 місяці тому +9

    I went to one of her concerts 20 days ago and she's still amazing! ❤

    • @Grazimoto1
      @Grazimoto1 3 місяці тому +2

      Nice. I'll be seeing her in November on this Farewell Tour. Can't wait!

  • @WesYamauti
    @WesYamauti 3 місяці тому +7

    Cyndi Lauper is amazing.
    The blues album she recorded (Memphis Blues) was a great album to react

  • @adriancolon8435
    @adriancolon8435 Місяць тому +1

    The original version was a reference track she recorded and it was so special that they went with that version. She such a special singer ❤

  • @billyackerman393
    @billyackerman393 13 днів тому +1

    Cyndi is turning 72 in June of this year and she is still as magical as when she was 21 !!

  • @austinswift1602
    @austinswift1602 3 місяці тому +11

    Cyndi is an authentic, beautiful person and talent. What a perfect song for the world today.

  • @iaraalencoutinho4061
    @iaraalencoutinho4061 2 місяці тому +1

    Ahh I love your reactions to my favorite- and unknown artists from your channel. It´s eye watering to listen to them and have your comments..adorable!

  • @jaffaholland4039
    @jaffaholland4039 Місяць тому +1

    One of the most beautiful songs ever

  • @guillermoagudelo4390
    @guillermoagudelo4390 2 місяці тому +1

    thank you. i love this song, cyndi lauper is the queen

  • @KidRisky
    @KidRisky 3 місяці тому +2

    A friend of mine used to wait tables at a restaurant she would go to quite often. He still gushes over her. She was always kind and warm to the staff.
    She’s obviously also a very talented singer, but you don’t need me to tell you that!
    Although she’s aged, and her voice has changed, her singing has the same impact. She doesn’t just sing the notes, she sings the song.

  • @greicecardoso
    @greicecardoso 23 дні тому +1

    Cyndi Lauper is
    Over 70 years old, she has a voice
    Beautiful and powerful, she saved Rock in Rio last year, she was the only one who sang live, she's wonderful.

  • @brucekislow1690
    @brucekislow1690 3 місяці тому +5

    Cyndi and Kelly Clarkson did this as a duet on Kelly's show a few years ago, it's very much worth checking out.

  • @marypatrick5294
    @marypatrick5294 3 місяці тому +3

    Appalachian gal here. It's a fairly large region, and even we can't agree on the pronunciation. Here in the hills of Northeast Tennessee and surrounding areas we pronounce it as if we are throwing an "apple-at-cha." 😂 But I say you can pronounce it however you wish. ❤ I love your voice, videos, and accent!

  • @carolmartin4413
    @carolmartin4413 3 місяці тому +2

    Sweet, giving, quirky Cyndi Lauper...another female singer with a distinctly different voice...who forged unto musical success using great songs, heart-felt emotions and personality. There's only one Cyndi Lauper...aren't we lucky! BTW...Girls just want to have fun...was a dancing anthem for us AND our daughters!

  • @hughshugdevlin6192
    @hughshugdevlin6192 3 місяці тому

    Thanks Beth ! Beautiful piece of music. I remember it from my youth.. Probably why I learned it on piano in the day....

  • @TheWeaponing
    @TheWeaponing 3 місяці тому +3

    I really like this one ❤❤

  • @peterdoe2617
    @peterdoe2617 3 місяці тому +2

    A moment I'll never forget: watching tv. The show at the german wall in Berlin, after the reunition. At the end of that show, all of those musicians where singing a final song.
    Must have been some 50 or 60. To me: her voice was standing out. I was able to clearly her her voice.
    Is that a way to describe it? :Her voice "carrys through"?
    While I do know the tone of her voice well: it was still amazing to me to identify this one voice, next to so many.

  • @scotte3812
    @scotte3812 3 місяці тому +3

    If you haven’t heard it, You would absolutely LOVE her version of “At Last.”

  • @Planetcharr
    @Planetcharr 3 місяці тому +1

    you should also check out her live acoustic performance of Change of Heart... you'll get her gritty voice and sky scraping vocals.

  • @coachjdc
    @coachjdc 2 місяці тому

    such a fabulous artist

  • @oscararzate7956
    @oscararzate7956 3 місяці тому

    Muy bonita en su versión demasiada melancolía bien Beth 👏👏🍀🍀

  • @user-qq73hxryby
    @user-qq73hxryby 3 місяці тому +12

    I’ve heard “Appalachian” both ways. I think you’re right, it’s a regional dialect thing.

    • @johndavidwolf4239
      @johndavidwolf4239 3 місяці тому

      I agree, there are both right.

    • @susanpeterson9947
      @susanpeterson9947 3 місяці тому +2

      There are so many regional dialects in the USA, I’m sure most of us won’t be concerned at all. Maybe you will hear from a true Appalachian.
      As always, I love your reactions and all that I learn from you. 🎧 🎼💗

  • @gryffydd42
    @gryffydd42 3 місяці тому +3

    Correct pronunciation is App - Ah Lash Ee Ah. 😊
    Fun fact- a large percentage of Appalachians are Scottish descent , and bits of Scottish culture are still there. 2 years ago, USA Kilts came out with a tartan as salute , called Appalachian Folklore & its one of their best selling tartan products.

  • @kamillachowicz5034
    @kamillachowicz5034 3 місяці тому +1

    On February I'm gonna see her live on Europe Tour, I can't wait!

  • @bellies1000
    @bellies1000 3 місяці тому +3

    It is in the end of our short lives all that matters. L.O.V.E.!❤

  • @BennoHaas
    @BennoHaas 3 місяці тому +1

    Great song and reaction . Cyndi is such a talent!
    Beth, your Appalachian and "Scottish person" comment got me thinking ...
    So, a suggestion for listening ... and also a separate suggestion for a
    reaction ...
    Speaking of a "Scottish person" & Appalachia ... you should listen to the
    nearly painfully beautiful song "Ashokan Farewell" from the legendary
    Transatlantic Sessions music series and program (this one from 1995).
    Ashokan Farewell is an instrumental, so you may or may not want to do a
    reaction to it, but for the sake of your soul you absolutely should hear it.
    Ashokan is an area in the Catskill Mountains in the northern Appalachian.
    And the "Scottish person" is the great Scottish fiddler Aly Bain, playing
    along with Jay Ungar the song's composer.
    The performance was recorded at Montgreenan House in Ayrshire, Scotland.
    This song can be found on youtube at the title ...
    ASHOKEN FAREWELL - JAY UNGER - TRANSATLANTIC SESSIONS - 1995
    (note in the song's title, above, this is "as written", even though the proper spelling of
    Ashokan is not with an "e".)
    AND ... furthermore, here are two suggestions from that Transatlantic series
    that you could also do reactions to ... both of these songs are sung ...
    First, another song for your soul (one that I sometimes just put on loop at
    home) ... Rod Paterson doing "Auld Lang Syne" using the song's traditional
    lyrics. Certainly the must beautiful recording of the song ever.
    On youtube at ...
    Transatlantic Sessions - Auld Lang Syne (Rod Paterson)
    AND one more ...
    The vocally interesting performance of the song "Our Town" by Iris Dement.
    In this Transatlantic Sessions performance she is singing with Emmylou Harris
    and accompanied again by Aly Bain.
    The song on youtube (the specific version uploaded by "buppie2000") is at the
    title ...
    Iris Dement - Our Town
    All three of these songs are music for the soul and so wonderful.
    Beth, if you are not familiar with it, the Transatlantic Session series (1995
    to 2013) was such a gift and has so much music.
    I hope you'll do any/all of them or at least give them a listen.

  • @davidchaplain6748
    @davidchaplain6748 3 місяці тому +3

    Hi. I'm from Appalachia. Both pronunciations are correct.

    • @corralescoyote
      @corralescoyote 2 місяці тому

      Thank you for confirming that. ✌️

  • @P-M-869
    @P-M-869 3 місяці тому +2

    Hope I still have power to watch this in Central Florida.

  • @SAM-dg3vd
    @SAM-dg3vd 3 місяці тому +2

    Appalachian: p sure people have already said this in the comments but both are correct. Long "a" is more used in the northern section of the region, short "a" is more commonly heard in the southern section. As a Carolina native (SC, but lots of time in NC as well), I've heard the short "a" version most :)

  • @GreybeardMO
    @GreybeardMO 3 місяці тому

    App a latch a
    My family are back woods WV, the word is seldom used. Just called down home to the natives 😎
    Loved the analysis, been listening to Cindi Lauper since I was a kid.

  • @ivanheffner2587
    @ivanheffner2587 3 місяці тому +1

    App-a-LAY-shun / App-a-LAA-tchun
    Care-ri-BEE-an / Ca-RI-Be-an
    They’re both correct and can vary by individual or even be said both ways by the same person in different phrases.

  • @stpetie7686
    @stpetie7686 3 місяці тому +2

    If you haven't heard her cover of At Last, you really should check it out. It gave me a whole new level of respect for her ability.

  • @Aussiecris214
    @Aussiecris214 3 місяці тому +1

    Clasic Beth ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @matto9734
    @matto9734 3 місяці тому

    Her great song "Time After Time" was covered by the great Miles Davis - very beautiful rendition.

  • @eirintowne
    @eirintowne 3 місяці тому

    I am a happily married woman, but still entranced by that glorious mane if yours!
    The deep and warm green sweater looks comfy in addition to perfectly bringing out the vivid nuances of autumn 🍁 reds. The blue wall behind you also keeps showing that your eyes are not the green that the hair and sweater combo would lead one to believe, but a lovely calm blue.
    Maybe I will be able to listen to your wonderful review now?

  • @Sourstromming
    @Sourstromming 3 місяці тому +1

    The original demo is on youtube, Steinberg singing. It’s worth checking out.

  • @rcm944
    @rcm944 3 місяці тому

    You my dear can say Appalachian however you want........because you are one of us and we are you.

  • @englandcalling9721
    @englandcalling9721 3 місяці тому +2

    Just glorious. If that wasn't Joe Jackson on piano, they're a heck of a look a like.

  • @l_CHEETAH_l
    @l_CHEETAH_l 3 місяці тому +2

    You should react to camila mientes

  • @def1ghi
    @def1ghi 3 місяці тому

    You can say "Appalachian" either way. People from there tend to say AH-chen but either is acceptable. You're always awesome!

  • @christopheroliver7589
    @christopheroliver7589 3 місяці тому +1

    As a native Minnesotan, I've heard it pronounced both ways. I'm more used to, however, hearing it with a long "a" in the third syllable.

  • @welitonsilva-s5p
    @welitonsilva-s5p 3 місяці тому

    I loved you I love Sindy lauper❤❤

  • @seanstevens6610
    @seanstevens6610 2 місяці тому

    Im from Memphis TN always thought it was pronounced Ap pa lay sha but I've been corrected it's Ap p latcha and was informed from folks in that region

  • @guitaleleoeuvre
    @guitaleleoeuvre 3 місяці тому

    I have not yet covered this song! (Gotta remedy that oversight!)

  • @bertjones3010
    @bertjones3010 3 місяці тому +1

    This video of Cyndi Pauper covering the Joni Mitchell song "Carey" for Joni Mitchell is totally inappropriate to put forth as a reaction request or suggestion, due to the lack of quality video production, but I gotta say Beth, it is one of the best covers I've ever heard. And Joni loved it as did the audience. Sent for your enjoyment only. Oh crap! Thought I'd copied the link, please find it a reply to my post.

    • @bertjones3010
      @bertjones3010 3 місяці тому

      Had to use the reply due to the device I'm on.
      Quarter of A century ago -
      ua-cam.com/video/WRNX6mUCTQA/v-deo.htmlsi=CNo812hR7DUFEgfS

  • @marmotsongs
    @marmotsongs 3 місяці тому +1

    It would be interesting to analyze “We Are The World” and explain the techniques or characteristics that make each singer’s voice distinctive. Cyndi’s vocal there of course is epic.

    • @ladycatsinger
      @ladycatsinger 3 місяці тому +1

      It is interesting to watch the Making of We Are the World documentary. When they were working on her part, she was having a bit of trouble with the timing of the "Well well well well" coming into her solo part. Steve Perry was sitting watching, and he kindly came over and worked with her to get it right. One video of it shows Michael Jackson just looking annoyed by her messing up. Shows the difference in character between Michael and Steve

  • @dallesamllhals9161
    @dallesamllhals9161 3 місяці тому +1

    Dang it! Now I've gotta see The Goonies, again! ♥
    EDIT 9:01 Oh My 😲 ..guess i'm a bit TO(1979) young for the style...?

  • @DG-dy4tv
    @DG-dy4tv 3 місяці тому

    Primary roots of Appalachia is Scots from what I understand. In Texas we say Appa-laysha. I can't swear how they say it there. Most of our country music/blue grass actually comes from Scots/Irish.

  • @BobbyGeneric145
    @BobbyGeneric145 2 місяці тому

    Gotta do ALL THROUGH THE NIGHT

  • @trishwilson7517
    @trishwilson7517 3 місяці тому

    You must hear Cyndi do At Last!

  • @TimHede
    @TimHede 3 місяці тому

    BETH.. love your shock of red hair! I am of Scottish orgin... Love your content... watch her video.. I drove all night...it will blow you away...

  • @guitaleleoeuvre
    @guitaleleoeuvre 3 місяці тому

    Cyndi made it her own!

  • @otakubancho6655
    @otakubancho6655 3 місяці тому +3

    When I was younger,you were either Team Madonna,or Team Cyndi,I was a member of Team Cyndi. Madonna is basically a one trick pony.

    • @athrack
      @athrack 3 місяці тому +2

      Yeah, Madonna had some decent tunes, but Cyndi is forever.

  • @gary1477
    @gary1477 3 місяці тому

    I saw her at an Australian concert in the 1980s. The concert was delayed by a week as she had lost her voice. At this concert, this song was sung in a nasally style.

  • @ddvda7790
    @ddvda7790 Місяць тому

    She devoted this song at the height of the AIDS crisis in the 80ies to a friend of hers she lost due to AIDS and to all those gone by the disease, especially back in the days, when it came up packed with tons of stigma as well. She's really outstanding and a true ally to the LBGTIQ*-community from the early days on when it wasn't about popularity and media stunts, but a matter of heart.

  • @kinokind293
    @kinokind293 3 місяці тому

    A few years ago I attended a concert that included both her and Debbie Harry, and I was struck by how little I thought Cindy's voice had changed, whereas Debbie Harry's had become coarser. Of course this may have been because Debbie Harry's voice in her prime was much more pure while Cindy's was always a bit more harmonically developed.

  • @FSAPOJake
    @FSAPOJake Місяць тому

    App-Ah-Lach-Ee-ah! You got it right.

  • @raysabarbosa5095
    @raysabarbosa5095 3 місяці тому

    Hi Beth, i I would like to see you react to Dulce Maria, she is a Mexican singer with such a unique tone, I love her!

  • @hanlukki
    @hanlukki 3 місяці тому

    Please react to "I'm gonna be strong". Amazing song and great vocals

  • @Mark-id8ff
    @Mark-id8ff 3 місяці тому

    In the northeast we say Appala SH ian appalachian.

  • @Andrew-pc8lg
    @Andrew-pc8lg 2 місяці тому

    You should listen to Rob Thomas's version of this song

    • @Andrew-pc8lg
      @Andrew-pc8lg 2 місяці тому

      My bad the song he covers is Time after Time

  • @Marvin4521
    @Marvin4521 3 місяці тому +1

    Sounds like Cindy is covering a cover of her own song 😊. The toned down version of this reminds me of Eva Cassidy's version of this song.
    ua-cam.com/video/ZdYj89Mx6ik/v-deo.htmlsi=qlj9OWVUkz3iLXoz
    On a side note, would love to see you cover Rindi Ross and Karise Eden

  • @priscillamontalvao8442
    @priscillamontalvao8442 3 місяці тому

    Hi Beth. Could you react to a song of Caetano Veloso. He is literally so famous in Brazil. And i don't think you know him. "A luz de tieta" talks about false moralism and old conceptions. And "Sozinho" might be the most romantic song of our country!!

  • @FranciscoSousa-f4f
    @FranciscoSousa-f4f 3 місяці тому +1

    Eu queria que você reagisse os Mamonas Assassina homenagem a eles ele já morreram😢😢😢

  • @BillGardiner
    @BillGardiner 3 місяці тому

    You need to listen to the cover by Anna Kendrick and Justin Timberlake on the Trolls soundtrack. It keeps all the emotion and takes it even further as a duet. 10 out of 10.

  • @EconAdviser
    @EconAdviser 3 місяці тому

    The early 1980s were Cyndi vs. Madonna, with the latter winning via shock values, PR stunts, and constantly reinventing herself (certainly not Madonna's singing talent or songwriting ability; as a singer, she's a good dancer). But Lauper showed her lasting and permanent place in influence, song themes, and music quality (even wrote music for her own Broadway musical hit). Her songs are standards covered by many singers. Madonna's formula for staying power was copied by Taylor Swift and Katy Perry without the shock and nudity.

  • @sharonelliott2366
    @sharonelliott2366 3 місяці тому

    Beth, somebody explained how to pronounce Appalachian below, but don't ever think you're an interloper there. Many of us with Scottish ancestry know that during the clearances and pacification of the Borders our people ended up there. Much of the music from that area has a big Scottish influence.

  • @Dave10-4
    @Dave10-4 3 місяці тому

    the second one.

  • @the-dave-house-project
    @the-dave-house-project 3 місяці тому +1

    Phil Collins does a nice version of this song too.

  • @ChasYoshi
    @ChasYoshi 2 місяці тому

    Appalachia is pronounced "AP-uh-lah-cha" by natives, which means that's how it should be said. Just like "Thames" is pronounced "tim-s" by natives, and that makes it the right way to say it/ 🤗

  • @stevenjwiles
    @stevenjwiles 3 місяці тому

    Either pronunciation is fine.

  • @kinokind293
    @kinokind293 3 місяці тому

    I, too, have always heard both the short "a" and long "a" interchangeably. It may be regional, so don't worry about offending America.

  • @aaron.s
    @aaron.s 3 місяці тому

    The first pronunciation of 'appalachian' is the only one I've heard here in the US.

  • @syedadnan9538
    @syedadnan9538 3 місяці тому

    Listen to ishq lost and found, with subtitles u will love it

  • @aramiscalcutt
    @aramiscalcutt 3 місяці тому

    Don’t worry about the pronunciation of Appalachian. Different people pronounce it differently not only in different parts of the Appalachian region but also outside. None of them are wrong. Say it however comes naturally to you.

  • @TradeVibeLive
    @TradeVibeLive Місяць тому

    most underrated singer of all time. her "problem" is she had people and law firms playing with her for decades. They pretend to fight over the rights of the music but they keep all the money and nothing gets out. her music is sequestered by law firms. what a shame. All you gotta do is watch her sing Money Changes Everything live from Paris and her talent is evidently up there with Elvis, Sia, Juan Gabriel, Luis Miguel, Adele, Robbie Williams, and whatever else. she is so underrated just because of laws and people in the way of it.

  • @Jean-tw4kj
    @Jean-tw4kj 3 місяці тому

    She is just perfect !! But clearly if she wasn't touching vocal performance would be even better.

  •  3 місяці тому

    Look for Arautos do Rei Quartet.

  • @jb7753
    @jb7753 3 місяці тому

    Another single that Kasey Chambers does a good version of.

  • @johnwatson622
    @johnwatson622 3 місяці тому +2

    As an American who lives on the outskirts the Appalachians I am unfortunately not much help because Americans around here say it both ways. By the way I am from Kentucky originally I live in Indiana now just across the Kentucky border

  • @jimwiater2867
    @jimwiater2867 3 місяці тому

    I cant listen to this song without hearing peter griffin sing

  • @Buffrt66
    @Buffrt66 3 місяці тому

    Appa- lay- sha. and the people are Appa - lay- shen.

  • @chris...9497
    @chris...9497 3 місяці тому

    I was born in the Allegheny Highlands, a part of the Virginian Appalachian Mountain range.
    I pronounce it 'Apple-AY-chins'.
    That said, here's this:
    ua-cam.com/users/shorts1skPcE-tm7s

  • @chrislogan5228
    @chrislogan5228 3 місяці тому

    I would have to say that the proper way to pronounce that is app-ah-lay-shun !!

  • @BobGeogeo
    @BobGeogeo 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for this. I had no idea of Cyndi's history and what it did to her voice.
    BTW here's Cyndi in good humor listening to Seth McFarlane singing True Colors in the style of Family Guy character:
    www.youtube.com/watch?t=90

  • @howardsmith3758
    @howardsmith3758 3 місяці тому

    Great reaction and analysis! This song always makes me cry. (But so much does these days).
    When you need someone to explain the pronunciation of an English word in both American and British English, always trust a Frenchman. Julien Miquel is my go-to! ua-cam.com/video/CV_ttvxIaDo/v-deo.htmlsi=q4vFmkARyu74fhKh

  • @vincentmb238
    @vincentmb238 3 місяці тому +1

  • @WoodlandT
    @WoodlandT Місяць тому

    You can really pronounce Appalachia either way without trouble, though I think what you said was technically correct. But no one really is bothered