Um I spend literally 2 hours reading about this and I couldn't understand anything. I watch this for 5 minutes and suddenly I get it. Thank you so much for making this.
I've been using this video in the classroom for years. I never get tired of listening to this intelligent discussion. The students always, always walk away with a smile on their face. It's perfect!
What a lovely comment, thank you for taking the time to send it. We love this fresco and returned not long ago with a much better camera. You can see the photoset on our Flickr page here: www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=lorenzettiallegory&user_id=82032880%40N00&view_all=1
Thank you for this video and all the other ones you make! Helps me so much to write about the symbology of different works which I always misinterpret.
That’s a boar being used to forage truffles. No one would bring a single pig to market. Truffle hunting is still a big thing (economically) in Siena today - they prefer using dogs to find the truffles now though.
i so love your channel. I go to Siena every year and I even bought a artistic reproduction of the effects of government. To me , Siena is heaven on earth.
Thank you. It's a great reminder of the fundamentals of good governance, with its secular, humanist ethos. The patriarcal wisdom is brilliantly supported by an all female cabinet! And the magnificent modernity of the Italian Rinascimento. Thanks also for not extrapolating unncessarily into contemporary politics and let the observer link the dots by himself. Great video!
Wisdom → justice → harmony - sounds about right. 😌 Peace cracked me up. She looks so out of place with respect to the other virtues. It reminds of myself when everyone's appropriately dressed and I'm just wearing my comfy gear anyway, good for her. lol. Her robes remind me of ancient Greek / Roman sculptures, alluding to her form underneath - bonus for the slightly transparent sleeves. I absolutely loved these frescoes. One of my all-time favorite pieces so far. On a side note, I can't always identify the Biblical features present in artworks, but there's no mistaking John the Baptist in Martini's Maestà. Even in heaven he doesn't ditch the camel hair robe? 😅I hope so!
We really haven't changed. Each generation looks down on the last. We won't truly be able to move forward until we can start to understand our own problems, until we can start to understand that we are far from perfect. To deem oneself as morally incorruptible shows a lack of willingness to look within, this way of thinking is what makes us corrupt. To think we are already perfect is dangerous, we cannot move forward until we truly understand this. Only a minority of people are humble enough to address such problems; to stop and look in the mirror. This has always been the case throughout history, how long will it take until the majority mature and act like adults? I for one am still a child by this logic, I say stupid things, I am highly opinionated and tend to hold on to certain ideas (mostly political) that sometimes hold little proof. But this also applies to religion, while it may allow us to look within it is still inherently flawed because it was made by us.
Too bad Dante was already dead when this was painted; he had no time for the Sienese ("Even more arrogant than the French," was his verdict) but he would have loved the political overtones and the theme of justice.
I dont understand why Berenson hated Lorenzetti, How is it Italian painters could use allegory symbolism and metaphor to visualise abstract concepts and painters cant do it now,,,to talk of the iconography of eg Francis Bacon is absurd, Modern abstract art is meaningless,,,Malevichs best work was figurative, Is it that symbolism etc is intrinsically spiritual,,,eg Klees Angelus Novus, Is Klee the exception, Can art be symbolic again, Any views
Contemporary or modern art of which abstract art is a genre represents an individual artist’s interpretation. If you’re not familiar with the artist or their objective you will not understand the message. Lorenzetti’s frescoes depict a universal idea, which was understood by the general populace at the time. There is a similar painting series at the Library of Congress in Washington DC by Elihu Vedder (1836-1923) who studied in Italy and died in Rome. No doubt he was influenced. But, there is a significant difference. Other commenters on this thread have use the “humanity” to describe governance typical of Lorenzetti’s era. But to apply that notion alone to America’s government today, for example, can be challenged. While some may not like it, America’s current system is guided by a single principle: that rights cannot be restrained or repealed by human laws (legislated by Congress). In either case, Lorenzetti’s days or our days, the dichotomy existed. Italy, and the rest of the world, was coming to terms with the over bearing power of the church. In my opinion, America is sadly losing sight of the pilgrim’s contract to escape (human) tyranny in the name of religious freedom, and establish “one nation under God.”
Um I spend literally 2 hours reading about this and I couldn't understand anything. I watch this for 5 minutes and suddenly I get it. Thank you so much for making this.
I've been using this video in the classroom for years. I never get tired of listening to this intelligent discussion. The students always, always walk away with a smile on their face. It's perfect!
What a lovely comment, thank you for taking the time to send it. We love this fresco and returned not long ago with a much better camera. You can see the photoset on our Flickr page here: www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=lorenzettiallegory&user_id=82032880%40N00&view_all=1
I spent six weeks living in Siena two summers ago, I go back and watch your videos about Sienese painters when I feel sad! Thank you!!
_wow, beautiful video_ ... and very nicely narrated by Steven Zucker and Beth Harris! *Bravo!!*
Thank you! This is great. I learned about this piece in class today and this really helped to go in depth for my studying.
Thank you for this video and all the other ones you make! Helps me so much to write about the symbology of different works which I always misinterpret.
That’s a boar being used to forage truffles. No one would bring a single pig to market. Truffle hunting is still a big thing (economically) in Siena today - they prefer using dogs to find the truffles now though.
Very good. I have never seen these pictures in their proper place before.
Thank you for a wonderful, insightful look at this beautlful art.
i so love your channel. I go to Siena every year and I even bought a artistic reproduction of the effects of government. To me , Siena is heaven on earth.
Siena is always such a treat.
Thank you. It's a great reminder of the fundamentals of good governance, with its secular, humanist ethos. The patriarcal wisdom is brilliantly supported by an all female cabinet! And the magnificent modernity of the Italian Rinascimento. Thanks also for not extrapolating unncessarily into contemporary politics and let the observer link the dots by himself. Great video!
What do you mean by patriarchal wisdom? Just curious
amazing video, I love how you talk about details, I learned a lot and it helped me so much with my school project
THANK YOU
Wisdom → justice → harmony - sounds about right. 😌
Peace cracked me up. She looks so out of place with respect to the other virtues. It reminds of myself when everyone's appropriately dressed and I'm just wearing my comfy gear anyway, good for her. lol. Her robes remind me of ancient Greek / Roman sculptures, alluding to her form underneath - bonus for the slightly transparent sleeves.
I absolutely loved these frescoes. One of my all-time favorite pieces so far.
On a side note, I can't always identify the Biblical features present in artworks, but there's no mistaking John the Baptist in Martini's Maestà. Even in heaven he doesn't ditch the camel hair robe? 😅I hope so!
Thank You!
Thank you!!
We really haven't changed. Each generation looks down on the last. We won't truly be able to move forward until we can start to understand our own problems, until we can start to understand that we are far from perfect. To deem oneself as morally incorruptible shows a lack of willingness to look within, this way of thinking is what makes us corrupt. To think we are already perfect is dangerous, we cannot move forward until we truly understand this. Only a minority of people are humble enough to address such problems; to stop and look in the mirror. This has always been the case throughout history, how long will it take until the majority mature and act like adults?
I for one am still a child by this logic, I say stupid things, I am highly opinionated and tend to hold on to certain ideas (mostly political) that sometimes hold little proof. But this also applies to religion, while it may allow us to look within it is still inherently flawed because it was made by us.
Grazie
Wonderful presentation!!!
Alguien de la Facultad de derecho?? Salu2
Jajaja
thnx
Very good
Too bad Dante was already dead when this was painted; he had no time for the Sienese ("Even more arrogant than the French," was his verdict) but he would have loved the political overtones and the theme of justice.
Dante was a Florentine. Florence and Siena were in major competition until the black death decimated, quite literally, Siena.
I dont understand why Berenson hated Lorenzetti, How is it Italian painters could use allegory symbolism and metaphor to visualise abstract concepts and painters cant do it now,,,to talk of the iconography of eg Francis Bacon is absurd, Modern abstract art is meaningless,,,Malevichs best work was figurative, Is it that symbolism etc is intrinsically spiritual,,,eg Klees Angelus Novus, Is Klee the exception, Can art be symbolic again, Any views
Contemporary or modern art of which abstract art is a genre represents an individual artist’s interpretation. If you’re not familiar with the artist or their objective you will not understand the message. Lorenzetti’s frescoes depict a universal idea, which was understood by the general populace at the time.
There is a similar painting series at the Library of Congress in Washington DC by Elihu Vedder (1836-1923) who studied in Italy and died in Rome. No doubt he was influenced. But, there is a significant difference. Other commenters on this thread have use the “humanity” to describe governance typical of Lorenzetti’s era. But to apply that notion alone to America’s government today, for example, can be challenged. While some may not like it, America’s current system is guided by a single principle: that rights cannot be restrained or repealed by human laws (legislated by Congress). In either case, Lorenzetti’s days or our days, the dichotomy existed. Italy, and the rest of the world, was coming to terms with the over bearing power of the church. In my opinion, America is sadly losing sight of the pilgrim’s contract to escape (human) tyranny in the name of religious freedom, and establish “one nation under God.”