Since 2019 I had to pull out of some long distance marathon races with my lower back becoming very painful. I started concentrating on using my hips and managed to finish my last few races with no back problem and better speed averages as well. This video of yours about the weak torso muscles is the first believable explanation what was happening to me when my back stopped me from finishing a race.
Love this video. I see so many paddlers not using their hips. I feel like some of the bigger paddlers that have to squeeze into the seat prevents them from turning their hips effectively.
This is really helpful. I'm a dragon boater, and I was told by a coach the other day about rotating more from the hip. This breaks it down in detail more. Thanks!
I am trying to learn how to paddle my new seayak more efficiently after years of recreational kayaking and I know I need to engage my hips more (how I found this vid in fact). Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Hopefully I can start integrating this more smoothly with a bit of work.
Amazing!! Your ability to demonstrate and articulate the contrast, efficiency, benefits and results in this lesson is phenomenal!! Very informative and easy to follow, thanks so much... On my way to implement now. Aloha and Mahalo
Thank you for posting this! I am a newer kayaker that has just started getting into some smaller races. I've completely been doing the rotation wrong, and this video provides some very valuable information.
Hey Robert, absolutely love your channel! Your coaching and delivery are top notch! Not to get too much into semantics here, but isn't hip rotation technically what you do when invert or evert foot/leg, whereas the motion you are describing is a pelvic rotation if you had to describe it as a rotational force? BTW I totally understand the concepts you are describing, I'm just proofreading a sea kayak manual at the moment so I want to get the terminology right:) Awesome video!
That would be "internal/external" hip rotation. The other semantic you could run into with pelvic rotation is people going into anterior/posterior/lateral pelvic tilts. Most dynamic coaching reference it as hip rotation (drive the hips, hip snap, lead with the hip are all from martial arts/baseball/tennis/golf etc) The internal/external additive defines when the ball moves in the socket of the joint - same for turning your shoulders not being confused for externally rotating them too.
Regarding the facilitation of hip rotation. It's very easy to hip rotate in a surfski because of the low friction surface under your butt. But an OC1 has that very high friction foam seat. You think someone would develop a hard seat for an OC to facilitate hip rotation.
Thanks' for commenting on this mistake. I have an old kayak with no footrests and make this mistake all the time. It gets painful after a few hours paddling and I usually need a break. I didn't realize I'm potentially hurting my spine. Like your channel, thank you for educating!
I find that focusing on returning the paddle via a twist of the hips, as opposed to carrying the paddle by flexing the arms ( "locomotive-style" ), helps insure that the ensuing pull will use proper hip rotation, i.e. leg-drive. What I mean is that I don't worry too much about hip rotation during the pull, because it has already been set up, prior, during the return phase. Notes: I assume that is the reason world sprinting champion, Manutea Millon, encouraged coaches at WBBCC to focus on returning the paddle thusly, a year ago: ua-cam.com/video/Ka6RiEQpBP8/v-deo.html Shell Va'a is known to practice the huti pa'ari stroke during the training season: far in front, and [ shockingly ] maximally far in back! I see two advantages, training-wise: 1) The extra-long, deep, hard pull is ideal for building up aerobic base ( slow-twitch muscles ), and 2) this maximally-far-in-back stroke ensures, and in fact _requires,_ maximum hip rotation range! This other video also helped drive the point home for me: ua-cam.com/video/BG_YCywkER4/v-deo.html
Just got 5 vertebrae in neck fused together and need another 2 or more in lumbar after paddling 40 miles a day 3 days a week for many decades. So I need to get into a ski, yes? V8? great videos!!
My fast sea kayak has an aluminum surf ski-style foot brace installed so I can use proper hip rotation. Makes a big difference. But most sea kayak manufacturers aren’t familiar with these concepts yet. When I inquired direct to a British sea kayak maker about installing a foot brace, he responded, “but why would you do that?” When I explained, he said I’d have to do it on my own. Frankly, most sea kayakers paddle with their arms and at most with some torso rotation. Just my observations!
Brilliant analysis of what most of us do on a regular basis! My aching back thanks you!
Absolutely nailed it.
Since 2019 I had to pull out of some long distance marathon races with my lower back becoming very painful. I started concentrating on using my hips and managed to finish my last few races with no back problem and better speed averages as well. This video of yours about the weak torso muscles is the first believable explanation what was happening to me when my back stopped me from finishing a race.
Love this video. I see so many paddlers not using their hips. I feel like some of the bigger paddlers that have to squeeze into the seat prevents them from turning their hips effectively.
This is really helpful. I'm a dragon boater, and I was told by a coach the other day about rotating more from the hip. This breaks it down in detail more. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
excellent thx
I am trying to learn how to paddle my new seayak more efficiently after years of recreational kayaking and I know I need to engage my hips more (how I found this vid in fact). Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Hopefully I can start integrating this more smoothly with a bit of work.
@@RR-yh6vr I need to start doing sea kayak specific videos soon!
Amazing!! Your ability to demonstrate and articulate the contrast, efficiency, benefits and results in this lesson is phenomenal!! Very informative and easy to follow, thanks so much... On my way to implement now. Aloha and Mahalo
Thank you for posting this! I am a newer kayaker that has just started getting into some smaller races. I've completely been doing the rotation wrong, and this video provides some very valuable information.
So happy to hear that! Get those legs connected and give em hell!
The sound effects convinces me! 😄
Hey Robert, absolutely love your channel! Your coaching and delivery are top notch! Not to get too much into semantics here, but isn't hip rotation technically what you do when invert or evert foot/leg, whereas the motion you are describing is a pelvic rotation if you had to describe it as a rotational force? BTW I totally understand the concepts you are describing, I'm just proofreading a sea kayak manual at the moment so I want to get the terminology right:) Awesome video!
That would be "internal/external" hip rotation. The other semantic you could run into with pelvic rotation is people going into anterior/posterior/lateral pelvic tilts.
Most dynamic coaching reference it as hip rotation (drive the hips, hip snap, lead with the hip are all from martial arts/baseball/tennis/golf etc)
The internal/external additive defines when the ball moves in the socket of the joint - same for turning your shoulders not being confused for externally rotating them too.
Very helpful!
A paddler on the DFTBA network! #nerdfighters unite! And this is great teaching 😊
Awesome! Thank you!
Regarding the facilitation of hip rotation. It's very easy to hip rotate in a surfski because of the low friction surface under your butt. But an OC1 has that very high friction foam seat. You think someone would develop a hard seat for an OC to facilitate hip rotation.
Thanks for sharing this content!!!💪🔥
No problem 👍
Thanks' for commenting on this mistake. I have an old kayak with no footrests and make this mistake all the time. It gets painful after a few hours paddling and I usually need a break. I didn't realize I'm potentially hurting my spine. Like your channel, thank you for educating!
I find that focusing on returning the paddle via a twist of the hips, as opposed to carrying the paddle by flexing the arms ( "locomotive-style" ), helps insure that the ensuing pull will use proper hip rotation, i.e. leg-drive. What I mean is that I don't worry too much about hip rotation during the pull, because it has already been set up, prior, during the return phase.
Notes:
I assume that is the reason world sprinting champion, Manutea Millon, encouraged coaches at WBBCC to focus on returning the paddle thusly, a year ago: ua-cam.com/video/Ka6RiEQpBP8/v-deo.html
Shell Va'a is known to practice the huti pa'ari stroke during the training season: far in front, and [ shockingly ] maximally far in back! I see two advantages, training-wise: 1) The extra-long, deep, hard pull is ideal for building up aerobic base ( slow-twitch muscles ), and 2) this maximally-far-in-back stroke ensures, and in fact _requires,_ maximum hip rotation range!
This other video also helped drive the point home for me: ua-cam.com/video/BG_YCywkER4/v-deo.html
If no chafing/callouses on the 'okole or seat wear then doing it wrong. Got it 👍🏽😆🤙🏾
Ha ha this is pretty close to true!!!
I haven't seen much discussion on hip rotation in OC, especially OC1. I have heard warnings to keep it smoot and don't rock the boat.
Ever seen a k1 or surfski before? Way more rotation and the vessel doesn't rock... hip rotation keeps your weight centered when used right!!!
@@K2NOPS I have only seen a surfski once. Not a lot of them in Arizona. I shared the video with our OC1/dragonboat team.
@@K2NOPS I learned a lot from this.
Does this apply to whitewER.
@debrahudson3334 same idea. Even though the hips can't move as freely you want to generate power there and not the spine
IS this rotation that you get when using a Ski the advantage over a sit in kayak?
Bingo! You're still looking for this movement in a sit in... even if the hips don't move as much you're still trying to move them if that makes sense.
Just got 5 vertebrae in neck fused together and need another 2 or more in lumbar after paddling 40 miles a day 3 days a week for many decades. So I need to get into a ski, yes? V8? great videos!!
V8 would be a wonderful start
My fast sea kayak has an aluminum surf ski-style foot brace installed so I can use proper hip rotation. Makes a big difference. But most sea kayak manufacturers aren’t familiar with these concepts yet. When I inquired direct to a British sea kayak maker about installing a foot brace, he responded, “but why would you do that?” When I explained, he said I’d have to do it on my own. Frankly, most sea kayakers paddle with their arms and at most with some torso rotation. Just my observations!
I will have to agree with you. As I do, even with wing paddles. But I am going to make adjustments to my boats.
💚🏜️💚 useful
Glad to hear that