Saturn vs Playstation Round 1 - The Need for Speed
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- This episode was made quite some time ago. I wanted to start a line of comparisons between Sega Saturn and Sony Playstation games. I never completed it because I started on a bunch of other videos. I decided to go ahead and wrap this one up and see what the reception was. Please let me know if you'd like to see more.
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Episode Notes:
1. The Japanese version of The Need for Speed on the Saturn was called Nissan Over Drivin' GT-R. It's all Nissan and Datsun cars instead of the exotics seen here. Much of the game has been reworked.
2. The Playstation version of Need for Speed runs at an uncapped framerate, basically averaging out 2 or 3 frames faster than the Saturn game that is locked at 30fps. You can see it in a few of the gameplay sections where, despite the speed, the PS version is moving faster on the track.
3. The 3DO version was a good game when it released, but the additional tracks and options here make these the ones you want to play. The updated PC version is nice too.
4. The Saturn version supports the Racing Wheel and the Mission Stick analog controllers.
5. This game is cheap. Complete copies are rarely more than $20.
6. My favorite of these games was Need for Speed III : Hot Pursuit. It was the first game I bought for my first 3D accelerator card on the PC. It was glorious.
Already love the premise of this video please make more ps1 vs saturn focusing on one game please. Really enjoyed this one
Agree, this has a lot of potential. There's a lot of information to sort out to make informed buying decisions.
Agreed! Good start to a potentially new avenue for your channel. 👍
Yep, great video!
Same, although I don't really care for most of the multi-plats on these 2 systems. A DC version would also be ace.
yes he should keep doing this kind of compatison between both saturn and ps1
Had this game day one on the Sega Saturn back in the day. Not only do I absolutely adore the game but it remains till this day, one of my favorite racers of all time - despite all the amazing advancements in the genre since. This game was really WAY ahead of its time back then, presentation-wise. Along with this I also thoroughly adore the Sega Saturn version of Road Rash. Massively fun games, can play those two all night long!
Bless the Saturn.
Wasn't expecting it to be smoother on the Saturn for a non Sega release. Score one for the Saturn
The Saturn was (remains) a more than capable competitor versus the PS1. But, either a franchise exclusive platformer, and minus Sony’s deep pockets for advertising wonga, there’s little way Sega could realistically compete Except through brand loyalty…which they had also dithered away pre-release. The Saturn and the Dreamcast really are great examples of consoles that could have gone the other way but for some epic foot-shooting.
i would love to see more comparitive videos like this personally especially between the saturn and ps1.
Need For Speed: Before The Excessive Greed.
Series died after Most Wanted.
@@GT6SuzukaTimeTrials I tried Payback recently, bit too Fast And Furious for my liking, not much to it to keep me playing. Maybe one day I'll return to the ones I've got if I can muster the will to care and not fall asleep from boredom.
@@ReinaHW I tried to play through High Stakes on the ps1 earlier this year and got bored after the 3rd or 4th tournament. I remember playing it for hours when I was 14...Nostalgia sucks.
@@GT6SuzukaTimeTrials It always does, it's easy to be blinded by the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia until you learn how to take them off and see the truth that it isn't as good as you thought it once was
Aint that the damn truth
I actually prefer the graphics and bolder colors of the 3do version. Cool to see these versions side by side though.
Only ever played the PS version but seeing them side by side i gotta say the Saturn version looks nicer, the much smoother road makes a big difference.
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I was thinking the Saturn one has better framerate, like noticeably so.
@jorgejaquez360 Saturn is locked at 30 FPS, PlayStation is unlocked which leads to occasional spikes and drops in frames.
This new comparison series will be FUN!
Can't wait for Dead Or Alive, Mass Destruction, ID4 and even Resident Evil!
Itagaki preferred the Saturn version of DoA while I grew up with PS1, would love to see them go head to head, there's A LOT of difference beyond graphics.
Nice video. I like this. The PS version also features full-screen dithering like so many of its games do. It's personal preference if you like this or not, but just remember the internet rule: Dithering is BAD on Sega consoles and makes Sega worth hating, but it is perfectly acceptable and beneficial on non-Sega consoles.That's the internet for you. As far as Dolby Surround, that's encoded into the stereo signal. Super easy. Your capture will capture it fine. Hell, even a stereo tape deck will. Basically all it does is send sounds that are in phase (same sound, same volume in the left and right) to the center speaker and sounds that are out of phase (same sound, same volume in the left and right but out of phase slightly) to the mono surround channel if you have it hooked up. The Saturn version likely has this, but they didn't wanna pay the license to advertise it. Anyway I bought the PS version when it came out (same with the 3DO version) and was pretty happy with it. I bought the Saturn version as a convention 2 years ago but I still haven't played it yet. I figured it would be much worse that it actually is but honestly I think it looks a touch better, especially since the road doesn't warp when lines are on it, etc. But I do like the shading and light affects on the PS.
I agree !
Thanks for the clarification on the Dolby Surround. I'm slightly partial to the Saturn version as well, if nothing else than for the "seemingly" more forgiving control.
And dither is used in It own way on the 5th gen systems, PS1 uses dither to achieve 24bit color with 15bit color as N64 does too. On Saturn dither is used to achieve grid transparency, which is awful as always. I don't blame none for this, it's the way they work to save resources at the time, instead of Nioh on PS4 and Super Lucky Tail on XO, which is shameful for both systems.
Where have you seen people decrying Sega consoles for dithering but not other consoles?
@@Fry09294 never heard any machine called out other than Sega myself actually (for dithering)
SLX, I seriously gotta thank you, dude. You got me back into retro-collecting. I'm looking to add a Saturn to my collection soon.
good luck man. those games are super f@#$ing expensive now. its hard finding actual good affordable saturn games today for less than 35 bucks. but backups are a good option am I right SLX?
Next video addresses that a bit.
@@bvigil1888 Yeah, I wish I never sold mine. I really need to look into what options there are for modchips or playing backups out there. There's just too many games that I'd never be able to afford. Learning Japanese seems like the best option there is for me to actually own the games I want, but even then there's a lot of unattainable ones out there :/
MiG-21bis Fishbed-L your gonna love it man, yes most of the games are really expensive, but ones like this one and some others are still affordable. If you want the expensive titles, buy one once a month, or once every other month, that’s what I did until I got them all.
@@infasis a modded saturn can be good but a little pricey, but when you jump that hurdle it opens up so many possibilities of games you can get for cheap on places like etsy. I was ecstatic to get panzer dragoon saga , the entirety of Shining Force 3, Dragon Force 2, and Policenauts. I still want to save for Deep Fear. But yeah, the backups/burned discs are great because of english patches games out there.
You've earned a 35 year old subscriber today. Great vid.
Fantastic review as always - Please keep these comparison videos coming!
Side note: I have the Saturn PAL version and can confirm it also has the music and working dials.
I remember in 8th grade my friend had this for the PC and we played the hell out of it. Then later we of course all got it for the PS1. Still one of my favorites to play. Viper on Coastal
The Need for Speed was such a great game! I played it on pc back in the day but it looks great for both of these systems. If I had to pick a winner it would be the Saturn by a hair due to what looks like a smoother frame rate and a little better visuals over all.
Saturn version looks faster and smoother
Yes!
yes definitely. The warping too on Ps is just too much to handle compared. Not much in it perhaps but those differences aren't nice
I noticed more colors and speed on ps1 but more stable e contrast on Saturn.
Make transparent shadows in the Saturn version and the same color correction as in psx and there will be the same frame rate, I think.
@@ВладимирБогомолов-х2ш Saturn is way more powerful, from a hardware standpoint
The working dials and music are in the Pal Saturn version too; Its quite clear that DF Retro used a Copy or worse still played via an Emu. One can also get issues when using Action Replay to bypass the region lock mind. Also, there is no Dolby support in the Saturn version, but there is analogue support for the steering, via Mission Stick support. The lack of a 3D background (which was also in the 3DO version) was an issue for almost all Saturn games, only Exhumed/Powerslave did it on the Saturn. The issue of transparency effects was a Saturn Hardware issue and nothing could be done over that.
This is going to be a GREAT series! Good work!
I can't believe I just spent 12 minutes watching a video about a game series I've never played.
I had Sat version, it is fun as hell to go around with a friend causing accidents
My feedback is as follows: many channels have done side-by-side comparisons but this is easily one of the very best, thanks to your analysis and great commentary. So yes, I would LOVE to see more of these.
Very interesting comparison. There's also a misconception that most SNES games are vastly superior to Genesis versions of the same titles. Usually other than having less colors, often Genesis games were superior: they ran smoother and faster without slowdown, thus having better gameplay. Genesis games also had a higher resolution, while sometimes the SNES was cropped with top and bottom black bars. Even when it comes to sound, depending on the developer, many times the music sounded muffled and riverbed on the SNES in comparison. Pretty impressive considering the Mega Drive was released more than 2 years prior to the Super Famicom in Japan.
This is one of the 1st games i played on PS1 and always played it with a friend. Great times in the beginning of my teen years.
Great video; I loved the side-by-side format.
I'm not a fan of 'The Need for Speed' series having never 'got into it' originally, but the production value and quality of content presented here is 10/10 and a great watch! As others have said, would be great to see more videos in this series of VS. Maybe Tomb Raider or Croc?
I remember playing this game on the Saturn in 1997 with the comet Hale-Bopp in the sky.
Cosmic!
Definitely LOVE this kind of comparisons, more so if with your commentary on the background. Please do more and keep up the great work! And thanks for all your great content!
Thanks for the feedback and kind words. :)
fantastic video SLX keep up the awesome work man and shine on you crazy diamond love your channel
Keep these comparisons coming man. I just bought NFS for the Saturn on ebay ,thanks to you! I'd like to see a comparison between the two for "Croc" i love that game!
Oh awesome. I love comparison videos, especially when it comes to the much derided Saturn and its comparison to the often preferred Playstation.
I have found that the claims of the Playstation superiority are vastly overrated. There are a few where the differences were vast, but many multiplatform games fared quite well on the Saturn, especially when the dev was decent to begin with.
@@SegaLordX Agreed !
I bought a 3D0 just for this game and Samurai Shodown. Work all summer just to buy it. I always love the Alpine stage.
If the PC was able to get up and running on modern PCs without knowing how to use DOSBox, these versions would be irrelevant.
It is nice to know that since I now have the Saturn version, I can just get rid of the 3DO version I've been holding on to in the event I eventually own one. If the Saturn version looks and runs better, there is no reason for me to have the 3DO version.
My copy of the US game didn't have moving gauges/dials or music, there has always been some debate as to why and apparently the conclusion is that the first build of the game on Saturn was broken or some early build, you probably have a fixed/later release. That is the only explanation that makes sense to me.
damn I like that opening! I loved the 3d0 version when I tried the ps1 version I was amazed just by the skid marks your tires left on the ground
Our Lord!
PSX vs. Saturn!!! I am Stoked! And i have both systems. I mean i have more than 1 Saturn or PSX. I love them all
Great game! I have the PAL Saturn version and sometimes the dials are shown, sometimes not.
Excellent comparison video. The Saturn version is quite clearly smoother, with a better overall framerate. The main difference I see is that while the Playstation version uses gouraud shading on pretty much every single polygon on screen, the Saturn one doesn't, and it can be noticed as the backgrounds tend to have a more homogeneous "flat" look, rather than having the color smoothly transition. It can be clearly seen at 8:11, where the tunnel is appropriately shaded on the Playstation, but it is not on the Saturn, and at 8:51, the road on the Playstation version becomes darker in the distance while it doesn't on the Saturn. I am a Saturn fan, but I also used to be a developer back in the day of these machines, so I am quite familiar of what compromises would be reasonable of both machines. Overall I like this game better on the Saturn, as the graphical differences are less of an issue for me and I prefer framerate to shaded polygons in racing games.
Back when all driving games used the same music producer as Ru Pauls Drag Race
Played the first installment of the series on my 3DO back then. My next NFS was the 3rd on PS1.
Also interesting addition to a Digital Foundry Retro comparison.
Will you make Wipeout comparison? ;)
But seriously I would love an indepth review of Panzer Dragoon Saga from you with lots and lots of cool footage from the game.
Grandia 1, Lunar Silver Star, RockMan X3 or X4, Resident Evil, or some Capcom Fighting game
I have both and I always felt that the playstation version looked better but the saturn version played and sounded better. The 3do version is still my favorite.
@2:55 - Clearly the devs didn't want to load an in-engine demo into RAM for the PS1 version, so they just streamed a video instead. maybe because the loading screens were already long enough in the PS1 version?
Likely. Most people wouldn't notice it was there anyway.
Lack of memory was the real issue on the PS1.
(I'm one of the devs who worked on NFS PS1.)
Awesome comparison. You pointed out great points and was fair to both consoles. More please :)
It's weird - I was just playing this on my Saturn yesterday and for some reason, I'm like others where my speedometer/tachometer needles don't appear (so therefore the dials don't appear to do anything), and also my line in the lower-left that shows the track doesn't appear. The window itself is there, and the colored circles to represent cars are there and function correctly, but the actual white/gray line for the track does not appear so it's just "a window of random circles".
I wonder if it's a difference between Saturn motherboard/BIOS revisions. I have one of the earliest US Saturns with the power supply attached to the top casing. I know there are some other games that seem to behave differently across various Saturn revisions; I believe I've heard Croc and In the Hunt both have a weird issue on some Saturns where the controller is not detected unless the controller is unplugged and reconnected.
I suppose it could also be due to the fact I use a SCART cable for the Saturn. Maybe something gets lost in translation there. I'll have to check with composite and see what happens.
Great video idea man. Something tells me you're gonna do Road Rash.
Hi Sega Lord X, i'm a Sega fan from Brazil and of your show too. Why You Don't say about the tremble textures on the ps1 version? It's put the saturn version slightly top in graphics. Another thing is the ps1 version have 2 another musics, like Scud, that Don't exists on Saturn version. The ps1 version have 2 more tracks, using secret codes. I note that the Saturn have a better frame rate in tracks with traffic. Try and you Will see the difference. Greetings for the good work, you are one of my favorite channels on UA-cam.
Thanks.
Im going to sleep but ill watch it later, peace out bro
Great video (as always). It's often assumed that games always looked better on the Playstation than the Saturn, but the Saturn did have its own strengths such as perspective-correct textures and a higher resolution. I like how you discussed the game on more than a technical level and talked about how the game felt to play on each system. More of this please.
Part of me wants to see a comparison of Saturn ports of Playstation games such as Destruction Derby, Wipeout, or Resident Evil. However, I think it would be interesting to examine Tomb Raider, which was actually released first on Saturn (interesting story behind that where the developers were told part way through development for the Playstation that they also had to make a version for the Saturn and that it had to be released first).
Tomb Raider would make for a great part 2.
SEGA Saturn was a more powerful machine than the Sony PlayStation however the Saturn couldn’t run 3D polygons correctly, the Saturn was a 2D machine with a glorified ‘Mode 7’ that imitates native 3D.
Thanks for the video. Personally, I'd have to give a slight nod to the Saturn version. The lack of transparencies are not as important to me as the lack of texture warping close up.
very interesting comparison. The PS1 version seems to have a crisper image compared to the muddy textures of the Saturn, but it looks like the Saturn has less screen tearing. The biggest difference seem to be the lack of transparency on the Saturn. The trees and waterfall are a good example, outside the smoke.
That's funny, because the heavy color dithering in the Playstation game made me prefer the Saturn image quality quite a bit more. And I don't think there are any transparencies in either waterfall.
Great video! I'd love to see comparison videos of Dead or Alive, Duke Nukum 3d and Exhumed. Rare examples of multiplatform, 3d games where the Saturn version was arguably better!
You know, you could always compare the best 2D fighters of the 32-bit era, but I think that would be a tad unfair. ;)
There are a few 2D fighters the Playstation did quite well. I think a comparison of those would be fair.
Yea, can't think of a single instance where PS1 outshined Saturn in fighters. Saturn even beat Dreamcast in fighters.
@@Rei_Tatekei MK Trilogy. MK3 PS1 also runs better than UMK3 for Saturn.
Interesting to see what you do next with this.
What's strange is that my copy of NFS on Saturn didn't play music, like some people say. I don't have the game anymore for any console, but I burned a copy for my chipped model 1, and the music worked. Not sure if it's related, or if there are multiple revisions to the Saturn version.
Keep up the good work, cheers from Portugal
I have the ps1 ver. There is a different opening each time you boot up. I think that Saturn opening is one of them. Maybe Saturn randomizes them too. Which is why they happened to be different in the comparison.
The Saturn version has absolutely no gauraud shading on either the tracks or the cars.
Yes for this series
This was my very first playstation game. As someone who owns both playstation and saturn versions, i think the playstation version is better imo although the saturn version is good too. the playstation version has a vehicle biography section that showcases and narrates a brief history of all the vehicles in the game. A feature the saturn version lacks entirely, along with pretty much all NFS games to date. This game needs a remaster
3DO version was fun.
Don't forget that both are ports of the 3D0 original.
Have you played the Saturn version with the racing wheel? That would push it over the edge for me, as playing Sega racers with the wheel gives them an added arcade feel.
Could not ignore the squiggly lines on the PS version after you mentioned it
I don't know why I'm inclined to say that the Saturn version runs more smoothly and has more reasonable & comfortable lighting.
Please do more of these with the ps1 and the Genesis/SNES I am getting into emulation and its would be so handy to know which of 2 versions of games I should spend my time with. Will sub now and the sub will stick around if I get more of this kinda content.
the Saturn version retains the simulation handling from the 3do version. select the Porsche and drive the coastal route. when taking a turn over a crest lift of the throttle. the rear of the car will step out on the Saturn and 3do but not on the PlayStation.
Awesome video. Do Grandia and Dead or Alive next.
Dead or Alive for sure.
Just to be wondering, what model saturn were you playing the game on? I have the model 2 saturn and noticed the map line isn't showing and speed dials aren't working but when I play it on the ssf emu I can see the map line and the dials are working.
Take a look at the videos I recently uploaded for the game on the real system and on the emu and you'll see what I mean.
I do have an original copy of the game for my saturn I got quite a while back but honestly I kind of like the 3DO version the most because of all the cheesy cut scenes with that one guy
Is it weird I preferred the 3DO version? I played it the most because my dad had it, I had a Saturn, but I had Sega Rally and Daytona so I didn't want NFS.
Not at all. The timing of when you play a game can mean as much as the quality of the game itself. The Need for Speed was a decent racing game, but there were better on the Saturn and Playstation. Not so much on the 3DO.
I prefer the 3DO version too.
How does the PS have Dolby Surround? Pro Logic?
I do like how they simulated motion blur on the wheels with a texture map instead of just having the rim texture spinning slowly/backwards. I think Driver was the only other driving game that did that on ps1.
WHAAAAAATTTTT??????
I saw this video and thought, Tyson v. Holyfield. Leonard v. Hearns, McDonald's v. Burger King. Coke V. Pepsi...Trump v. Everybody!
Nice.
Can't wait to see it!
The real good old times and games
Would be cool is Sega was still making consoles. Good to have options and competition means innovation.
This game was designed for less capable 3DO so it really didn't push any limits of either PSX or Saturn. It was rather easy game to port and still developers take their time to do it right.
To be honest NFS could target higher resolution or higher frame rate on those systems, like better looking racing games from that consoles, but overall EA did a good job with ports.
I've only played NFS on PC which is both better and worse than console ports. High-end Pentium PCs from that time could run it at high framerate in 320x200 or in high-res 640x480. Unfortunately it used only 256 colors which led to some color banding. Not as visible like in later games, for example Tomb Raider, but still until 3DFX Voodoo 1, consoles had hi-color advantage in games.
Anyway EA did not want to prefer one system over another. They just wanted to sell as many copies as possible, so they made a good game across all systems.
Se ven como su fuera de más de una consola de 32 bit
Hizo falta más de estos en el Dreamcast
Could you do a comparison of the PSX version of Dead or Alive to the Saturn version? Both versions are completely different, but I would like to know your thoughts on it.
Lots of dithering in the ps1 road!
i think this first NSF was been for Panasonic 3DO
Sega Lord X Nice content man, Would you say the PS1 was more influenced by the Sega than the Nintendo ?
I think Nintendo showed Sony how much money could be made with video games. I think Sega showed Sony that their Playstation could succeed as polygon based technology.
@@SegaLordX Okay I hear that in terms of the games made
I recommend you do the same for Impact Racing on both platforms. Developed by the same company that created the phenomenal Speed Freaks, I looked at both versions on a video somewhere and they both look identical.
The Saturn version runs more smoothly than the ps1 version. I have both and it’s pretty noticeable and on this comparison. For me that’s what matters.
great review, I remember EDGE Magazine in the UK Shitting abit more on the sega version, but its does not seem that way with your video, could it be each region was different?
About you not being able to make the curves in Playstation, it seems the PSX version runs - and I mean runs like the car moving - faster. Even bumping and loosing speed, the PSX soon surpasses the Saturn version again. That might be the cause, as, if your car total speed is greater in that version, you indeed would need to speed down more than the Saturn one.
The Saturn was tecninally superior to the PSX but along with the harder programming and the already shaken player base that was questioning if SEGA was the way to go for games after the Sega CD and 32X fiasco, the system was doomed. I was a Sega fan since the Master System, but after the tremendous disrespect that SEGA did towards consumers by launching 2 pseudo consoles before the real 32bit thing, the lack of a system seller at launch and a laughable library for months made me switch to the Playstation. I even gave Sega a second chance with the Dreamcast but Sony didnt allow the Dreamcast to survive.
The major graphical difference once again is not mentioned.
PS1 can't seem to draw a straight line. Just look at the highway lines, they wiggle randomly all over. Saturn, straight lines. I just can't get past that, it looks awful.
That's the texture warping I mentioned. The PS distorted textures as they came to the edge of the screen. The Saturn much less so.
Yes, I have to say it spoils some games entirely for me!
I don't even see this effect on Saturn. I think it has to do with the whole - 3 sided vs. 4 sided polygon thing.
Anyway, great vid once again SLX
I like them both but like the saturn version better. Smoother and faster.
Great version!!!
I believe retrocore's Battle of the Ports video of this mentions that the PS version has a faster sense of speed...
I can't help root for the underdog
saturnday looked betta. !!!!
I miss my SEGA Saturn bro.. I Really really do 😔😔😔
The first NFS, incredible, i had on Saturn. Now i'll try emulated version on PS. Thanks for this vídeo.
Now thanks to the Internet, we all know that the Saturn was in fact a superior machine compared to the psx, but at the time was conventional to say the opposite, (and the playstation was an more expensive) i remember one ad where the difference was something between 50 brazilian real, which at the time was a freaking amount of money.
About those issues you heard others claiming to have had, which you didn't experience: They probably don't own a real Saturn. They did their testing with an emulator... depending on the age of the review and the emulator in question, it's not surprising to have issues. Even the best emulators today aren't perfect, as you know the Saturn is incredibly hard to accurately emulate. So an outdated emulator is bound to have even more issues.
Edited for clarity.
Couldn't replicate? I was talking about the popular and well known Digital Foundry coverage of the game.
@@SegaLordX Couldn't replicate = you didn't have the same issue they claimed to have.
When was their article from? If they had these issues they either had a bad pirated copy, a beta, or they were using an emulator.
Gotcha. It was a few years ago. It had to be an emulator. No version I have seen has these issues, even accounting for the sporadic bug. It was in ALL of their footage.
www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-df-retro-the-need-for-speed
Good video. If possible can you do a comparison of donpachi and dodonpachi for ps1 vs saturn. Thanks
That'd be good choices for a video for sure.
I'm really on board for this video format. Of course, being the RPG nerd I am, I would love to see a side-by-side of Grandia, but honestly, I'd love to see any game covered. The differences between consoles of this era has always been something I love
I had the 3do version and had no issues with it so I never invested in the Saturn or psx version as I have those consoles too.
I grew up with my dad playing this on the 3do. My friends had their minds blown when they came over one day and saw him playing it on te big screen tv. The 3do version has more realistic physics but the releases have a lot more content and music and slightly more arcadey physics i think but nothing super noticeable.
The PS version looks to run at choppier framerate, at least in the video is not as smooth as the Saturn, might had to do whit the lighting engine
saturn looks a lot smoother from the playback....