Love this design! Yes, it doesn't look Romulan... but surely that would be an advantage if it was spotted (although if Starfleet already know about it, then mission failed there!). Great features without ruining canon. Also, brilliant 'explanation' about the stealth / cloaking we see in ENT. Mind = blown.
I think when designing this ship, the Romulans probably purposefully made it look visually different from anything they've ever done before. That way, if someone happens to see it uncloaked, they wouldn't immediately think "hey, that's a Romulan ship" so that the Romulan Empire has plausible deniability if the ship happens to be discovered uncloaked.
Thanks for solving the canon disruption of Enterprise Romulan ships having clocks pre-TOS. Not that it matters, even official Trek writers don't follow canon.
The Bird-of-Prey was designed from stolen Federation technology? The warbird after alliance with the Klingons? Well then this came out after a one with the Tholians. Boom. Next issue. But, no, really, it looks like a smaller ship, but I don't mind it's differentness. With the BoP, the warbird, the Narada, others, and how this, I think the Romulans are among the most interestingly diverse-shipped species out there.
I have no problem with it not looking Romulan. There's no reason to think EVERY ship in a species has to look the same. It's a cool design. great job guys!
DrewLSsix Being honest and non-aggressive; Uh what kind of analogy is that? That's like trying to make a comparison between a Federation Starbase and a Miranda class ship, neither are similar other than that both are made by the Federation. Now your statement would make sense if you compared a Modern battleship to a cruise liner, or something similar.
Captain Lokiawa. both are ships built by the human race....and they dont look alike, thats my point. and your point about the movie era ships and stations still makes my point clearly. both built by the same group but for different jobs and thus had different aesthetics...kinda. the stations in tmp and wok both have a rough industrial look compared to the smooth lines of the ships but space dock the station from tos and other stations seen since often have the starship trait of relative smoothness. and yes, modern drilling platforms are often ships these days, they float and use in board drives to maintain station and to move from location to location.
14:00 That could also explain the line from "Balance of Terror" how the Romulan ship only has impulse power, if the warp core is on the detached section.
Another great episode guys I really enjoy some of this side canon that is so well thought out and beautifully rendered. I don't have a huge problem with it not "looking like" a Romulan ship because neither did the seemingly ridiculously huge Romulan Warbird when we first saw it; we tend to forget after so many years and think that "things were always that way" but before that ship the only true Romulan ship we had ever seen was the original Romulan bird of prey in TOS and then the D7 supposed "borrowed" design. I also really enjoy the interactions between the three of you, that adds so much more to the show than just showing pictures of ships and quoting stats. That human connection and interaction. Like Commander Cockings' knowing expression when asking Captain Foley about the scale, as well as Eric's enthusiasm for the project and the work he's done for the background. This is just one aspect that makes your show unique and much more enjoyable to watch, remembering that as much as we create technology we always still need that human spark to make it all work! Cheers mates!
Reminds me slightly of the alien frigates off battleship, it's got a very skunk works radar scattering and absorbing vibe. Can only be a good thing that you can't tell what race is manning the ship. If the stealth fails your none the wiser.
Love Erics design ethos. As for the stealth, my personal headcanon on the era is that Roms have proto cloaks for larger carriers, stationary cloaks to act as spider nests, and otherwise they rely on more conventional passive stealth, reducing sensor signatures and hiding in plain sight via just moving slow and with low emissions, basically taking advantage of the sensors of the era not quite being up to sniff to detect a ship designed to hide, so a mixture of a submarine in silent running and a stealth jet, really hard to spot until its go time.
If Henry is reading this, have you looked at the Memory Alpha article “It’s Federation Day!”? 16:23 Well, if we look at the original Spaceflight Chronology the Earth-Romulan War was more of a war on terror. The Romulans acting like pirates with Earth being in the dark of their identity (name) until we got Orion intel. There was never an official declaration of war which initiated the conflict. 19:40 Figures I recently saw an interview with Doug Drexler saying that the Defiant should have had a saucer. 20:10 My biggest issue with that ship is that the Romulans are worried about the Vulcans figuring out that it is a modified Romulan design which makes no sense whatsoever. The technological divergence between the Vulcans and Romulans would be far too great.
I like how they change their capture thumbnails in different places this time compared to the first Trekyards guest appearance of Eric H. Pacific 201 video. Don't know if anyone else notice I just like the editing... Call me weird if tou wish. :p
The novels already explained the cloak in Enterprise. The one in Enterprise was a experimental craft which was shown to be a failure as it was too costly to keep it up.
The easiest answer to any question about "X" not looking like"Y," is that the designs came from different companies / design bureaus / Planets / whatever. Competition is often the primary force behind the advance of technology, and even starfaring civilizations like the Federation and the Romulan Empire, would take care to keep their designers and engineers challenged.
The design doesn't scream Romulan. My head canon is that its a Tal'shar design so they can run exterior ops sightings won't easily point back to the Empire.
Before FASA / before ST:II TWOK there is a very strong implication that a Federation ship is pretty much (mostly) going to be like The Enterprise. There are other designs around but they look nothing like the Enterprise (other than the Nacelles) so looking backwards to a pre-TNG time - it seems it's not an unreasonable assumption to suggest that Nacelles (in a broad sense) are time specific. especially in that early period or Enterprise : NX-01 and TOS. HOWEVER : if I've learned one thing from the 24th Century content there is a whole bunch of Nacelle designs that are a variation on a theme but even so you can still tell a late 23rd Century and 24th Century design by certain cues like the glowing blue warp grills and red low detail bussards and the mostly absent pure cylinders as a shape for the nacelles. So when I look at the Disco - I see some slight tie to TMP with the rectalinear top half and to TOS with the hemi-cylindrical lower half. But I don't think many people even noticed the underside was curved - but he Shinzhou throws a monkey wrench in the whole idea anyway with its Vengeance style Nacelles. But I would argue to some extent nacelles need some degree of internal consistency to enable you to age the era you are seeing. You wouldn't want Prometheus style Nacelles on an Ambassador class - (well not unless it was a 24th Century major refit/redesign)
90 Lancaster. your first point is interesting, I got the impression that the Constitution/Starship class was new and unique. everyone talks about how special they are. i do recall an older ship featuring in a TOS novel however that was described as being generally like the Enterprise except smaller and with more exposed conduits and components. This tied nicely in with Genes concept that an advanced ship will look simpler than a less advanced ship.
It's uh interesting. The soft ret-con or theory of how the ENT Romulans cloaked was sounding viable until Eric went too far on how he thought the mines cloaked, in Star Trek it has been shown to happen but if that was happening in ENT then the NX-01 should have also been cloaked or at least notice a HUGE cloaking field. The ship makes me think it's that odd nacelled Tholian ship, also the concept for it reminds me of a Zentradi ship from "Robotech: The Macross Saga".
Idk that first pic doesn't look very romulan but the other shot angles do to me. Reminds me a lot of the extra-canonical d7esk romulan ships, But I think it makes sense with romulan strategy to not have it look "romulan" because after the war they would want to try and have ships that would be more easily mistaken as something else by Humans.
Oooo, another cool idea would be that the Tal'shiar might not have used the same design esthetic early on as the regular navy would! Like both have two completely different fleets.
I would think if you have a stealth ship operating at a time when there was a "treaty" you wouldn't want it to scream Romulan. and from the bottom it does look quite bird like
I like the design- to me it DOES look Romulan, but it looks like a Romulan ship with an experimental/stealth vibe. Kind of like how experimental modern sea-bound ships tend to have a very futuristic, angular look to them.
I don't mind the smoothness of the ship because that's the Pacific 201 aesthetic, but the nacelles are too round to be Romulan. If you were to just change the color to greys then it could easily pass as a federation ship.
Beyond the bird painted on the hull and the name of the class, exactly how is the Klingon Bird of Prey connected to the Romulan's by its design. (Forget about a script that was changed). From what we saw in TOS the Romulans did not have a separate Command section hung off a boom which the Klingon's did. If anything the TOS Romulan Bird of Prey looks like a Federation saucer with warp Nacelles attached. Even the Romulan Nacelles look Federation. The Klingon Bird of Prey uses a different Warp configuration than either the Federation or the Romulans and hung Guns off the Wings instead of Nacelles. It also has the same basic silhouette of the D7. You can not connect a ship to a civilization based on a Paint job.
I still think the underslung nacells are more efficient, but not as fast. Which would be right here. Long term missions without a lot of refueling would tend to want something that sips power and not speed as you're not supposed to be seen anyway.
Frank Harr. if you look at the ships you notice that fighting ships tend to have this basic layout.... Klingon cruisers certain romulan war ships the Defiant Akira and Steamrunner.... mid sized ships that make up the bulk of starfleet like the Miranda and Nebula etc. you also see shuttles and lots of small utility ships with similar arrangements, seems to me the layout has some benefits when simplicity and robustness is a goal.
Why would it be simple and robust? And if it is simple and robust, but with no drawback, why would anyone ever do anything else? These are questions that need answering. In cannon, what ships have the underslung arrangement? ---All Shuttles ---TOS D-7's and ships developed from that or leading to that (the wings on the Klingon BoP don't look like warp nacelles to me but rather arrangements to keep the disrupters as far away from the people-tank as Klingony possible, I suspect they're a massive radiation hazard which is why Star Fleet doesn't use them). ---The Reliant. ---Some civilian ships. Ships with overhanging nacelles are the following: ---The Connie Enterprise and the Refit. ---The Romulan BoP. ---The NX. ---Some other random ships. (The Enterprise D, Voyager and Warbird don't fit in this, I suspect that warp tech derived from the Excelcior experiments make an inline warp arrangement more practical and the defiant seems to be in its own category with warp arrangements similar to the Klingon BoP) So what are the characteristics of these vehicles? All the shuttles have very very large crew areas and very small everything else. This includes fuel reserves and engine compartments. Small craft without a lot of fuel storage need to be efficient, especially if they're expected to go a long way like Federation shuttles are expected to do. Anti-mater fuel may be expensive and we KNOW dilithum is. Also, civilian ships like to save power when it's expensive, which is why, strangely, cargo ships are so effing huge. They're just more efficient that way. The Romulan BoP is being used in a series of hit-and-run attacks on Federation outposts, which means they have to be able to run. It's no good to hit and then wonder off slowly, even if you are under cloak because what if it fails? We know from Mara in Day of the Dove that the Klingon Empire is suffering an extended period of economic decline. In the Enterprise episode Judgement, we learn that Kingons are increasingly turning to being warriors as life paths and leaving behind other jobs which likely either percipitated or, given that the Klingons even in that series have started raiding and cheating others, merely aggravated an existing problem. We also get from this episode the sense that D-7's are maybe not crewed as heavily as Federation ships and thus that large secondary hull might all or mostly be engineering spaces, possibly to increase the speed of craft while keeping its efficiency. The NX was SPECIFICALLY designed to be as fast as humanly possible, that being warp 5 at the time. We also know that all ships in the ST universe has artificial gravity, mostly because it's hidiously expensive to film in a 0-G environment, but it's also always been assumed that every deck has the same up (in the ship I designed, it's not). The reliant doesn't have an extensive engineering hull suggesting that that space for engineering including fuel stores is more limited. Also, and most importantly, there has to be tradeoffs or there's no possibility of drama. That's boring and would suggest that every species would wind up with the same or very similar designs like all human aircraft cariers look very much alike. That would be SO BORING in any sort of visual entertainment, so there has to be an engineering reason for all the difference, even if it's totally made up. So, my thought is this: Artificial gravity interacts with warp field. If the gravity is situated mostly below the plane of where the field is generated, that interaction creates a situation where each warp factor requires more energy to maintain, but they also achieve a higher warp. If the gravity is above the nacelles (and we know that artificial gravity on these ships are uni-directional because if they weren't, each deck lower down would have to fight the gravity of the decks above) then the each warp factor requires less energy to achieve, but you run out of achievalbe factors faster than you do with other arrangement. Anyway, that's my headcannon. Unless you want to suggest that those little shuttles are designed for fighting or that the Romulan BoP isn't.
Can you guys do a show on the "Early Romulan Warship" from the ST Chronology. It has a really cool retro Sci-Fi look to it. The model used can be found in good detail if you go to Google Images and type EARLY ROMULAN WARSHIP DREXFILES. It would be cool to see it rendered in a Romulan Green color!
Stratagem his vessel do tend to have a sailing vessel/ WW1 era battleship vibe and while I can see some people say "that's not Star Trek " I'm no so sure, If we to compare US Naval self propelled vessels from the Monitor to the Zumwat (spelling) class, it is a bit silly to insist that Star Trek Federation vessel from ST:ENT to post Voy MUST have their back shape confined to a specific shape
I agree. I just saw that first photo and thought thats the Brigitte Bardot. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Brigitte_Bardot#/media/File:MV_Brigitte_Bardot_at_Circular_Quay_Sydney.jpg
I'm 21mins in and I still don't really have much of an idea what this project is? and a lack of links in the description.... c'mon chaps help a guy out.
Blankerz It's for Eric Henry's Pacific 201. Search it on Google and you'll learn all about it. Sorry for not having links in the description. But I'm currently at Wonderfest and don't have my computer with me. I will add them on Tuesday when I am home. Again....my apologies.
I wish the Romulan ship extending a cloak over the mine field explained the contradiction but it doesn't. The mines were individually cloaked. The Enterprise was within the mine field so would have been within he cloaking perimeter. And the mine that attached itself The the Enterprise hull decloaked on its own. The writers of that episode were just not paying attention to cannon.
Looks more like a Tamarian ship. I think Eric may have just had a favorite idea for a ship design and just shoved it in with a flimsy rationalization. I'm a big advocate that not all species ships should look like the same thing (even Fed designs are getting very flying-spearhead-samey), but there's nothing really Romulan here. Still a fine ship, but transparently a UBoat fetish piece.
Quick question you said that Star fleet is the earth Navy. How does that work since starfleet was founded by four races? Are we no longer giving aid or patrolling their borders as well?
I really like this ship but it looks like someone saw the movie Waterworld too many times. It's a trimaran. A stealth ship should not look like a ship of the line. It should half stealth qualities even when not intended. For instance when visiting a foreign port
Eric Henry is one of the best guests that come on to Trekyards
Love this design! Yes, it doesn't look Romulan... but surely that would be an advantage if it was spotted (although if Starfleet already know about it, then mission failed there!). Great features without ruining canon.
Also, brilliant 'explanation' about the stealth / cloaking we see in ENT. Mind = blown.
H3zzard oddly enough, if you look at it backwards, it suddenly does have that bird look that is considered "Romulan" style
I think when designing this ship, the Romulans probably purposefully made it look visually different from anything they've ever done before. That way, if someone happens to see it uncloaked, they wouldn't immediately think "hey, that's a Romulan ship" so that the Romulan Empire has plausible deniability if the ship happens to be discovered uncloaked.
Thanks for solving the canon disruption of Enterprise Romulan ships having clocks pre-TOS. Not that it matters, even official Trek writers don't follow canon.
I watch your show somewhat out of sequence, so forgive me if I am late noticing your bigger screen. WONDERFUL!!!!!! THANX SO MUCH!!!!!
So the cloaking device in ENT is like that ring Jedi Starfighters use to jump into Hyperspace.
Bravo! I do love Eric's Pacific 201 designs!!
The Bird-of-Prey was designed from stolen Federation technology? The warbird after alliance with the Klingons? Well then this came out after a one with the Tholians. Boom. Next issue.
But, no, really, it looks like a smaller ship, but I don't mind it's differentness. With the BoP, the warbird, the Narada, others, and how this, I think the Romulans are among the most interestingly diverse-shipped species out there.
Evan Green They’re named after the Romans after all. Who got their fleet by copying Carthaginian ships and inventing the boarding plank.
I have no problem with it not looking Romulan. There's no reason to think EVERY ship in a species has to look the same. It's a cool design. great job guys!
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And yet people gripe on how a Federation/Starfleet ship should look... 😕😧
Captain Lokiawa. ships are built for a purpose and their look reflects that....a state of the art stealth cruiser today looks nothing like an oil rig.
DrewLSsix
Being honest and non-aggressive;
Uh what kind of analogy is that? That's like trying to make a comparison between a Federation Starbase and a Miranda class ship, neither are similar other than that both are made by the Federation.
Now your statement would make sense if you compared a Modern battleship to a cruise liner, or something similar.
***** or even a cruise ship and a dingy. Different purposes and totally different, but still the same thing.
Captain Lokiawa. both are ships built by the human race....and they dont look alike, thats my point. and your point about the movie era ships and stations still makes my point clearly. both built by the same group but for different jobs and thus had different aesthetics...kinda. the stations in tmp and wok both have a rough industrial look compared to the smooth lines of the ships but space dock the station from tos and other stations seen since often have the starship trait of relative smoothness.
and yes, modern drilling platforms are often ships these days, they float and use in board drives to maintain station and to move from location to location.
This ship does look cool, for all the reasons discussed.
The central hull looks like the current day US Destroyer Zumwalt class
14:00 That could also explain the line from "Balance of Terror" how the Romulan ship only has impulse power, if the warp core is on the detached section.
"no ship that small has a cloaking device" line from Empire Strikes Back fits this too
Its beautiful and I can't wait for the film
Love EC Henry's channel.
I'm not really sold on it as Romulan, but it would make an interesting alien ship of the week. Maybe if it had a bird painted on the ventral side.
Another great episode guys I really enjoy some of this side canon that is so well thought out and beautifully rendered. I don't have a huge problem with it not "looking like" a Romulan ship because neither did the seemingly ridiculously huge Romulan Warbird when we first saw it; we tend to forget after so many years and think that "things were always that way" but before that ship the only true Romulan ship we had ever seen was the original Romulan bird of prey in TOS and then the D7 supposed "borrowed" design.
I also really enjoy the interactions between the three of you, that adds so much more to the show than just showing pictures of ships and quoting stats. That human connection and interaction.
Like Commander Cockings' knowing expression when asking Captain Foley about the scale, as well as Eric's enthusiasm for the project and the work he's done for the background.
This is just one aspect that makes your show unique and much more enjoyable to watch, remembering that as much as we create technology we always still need that human spark to make it all work!
Cheers mates!
Reminds me slightly of the alien frigates off battleship, it's got a very skunk works radar scattering and absorbing vibe.
Can only be a good thing that you can't tell what race is manning the ship. If the stealth fails your none the wiser.
Love Erics design ethos. As for the stealth, my personal headcanon on the era is that Roms have proto cloaks for larger carriers, stationary cloaks to act as spider nests, and otherwise they rely on more conventional passive stealth, reducing sensor signatures and hiding in plain sight via just moving slow and with low emissions, basically taking advantage of the sensors of the era not quite being up to sniff to detect a ship designed to hide, so a mixture of a submarine in silent running and a stealth jet, really hard to spot until its go time.
This could totally be a 23rd century Dominion Battlecruiser!!!!
looooove those ships AWESOME Work kudo's disigner
I really love the though he puts into his ships and universe. I really want to see this movie.
First impression... I like it!
Reminds me of the Naboo fighter from the top back.
If Henry is reading this, have you looked at the Memory Alpha article “It’s Federation Day!”?
16:23 Well, if we look at the original Spaceflight Chronology the Earth-Romulan War was more of a war on terror. The Romulans acting like pirates with Earth being in the dark of their identity (name) until we got Orion intel. There was never an official declaration of war which initiated the conflict.
19:40 Figures I recently saw an interview with Doug Drexler saying that the Defiant should have had a saucer.
20:10 My biggest issue with that ship is that the Romulans are worried about the Vulcans figuring out that it is a modified Romulan design which makes no sense whatsoever. The technological divergence between the Vulcans and Romulans would be far too great.
I like how they change their capture thumbnails in different places this time compared to the first Trekyards guest appearance of Eric H. Pacific 201 video. Don't know if anyone else notice I just like the editing... Call me weird if tou wish. :p
The novels already explained the cloak in Enterprise. The one in Enterprise was a experimental craft which was shown to be a failure as it was too costly to keep it up.
I prefer his idea honestly.
The one in balance of terror was also an experimental craft.
The easiest answer to any question about "X" not looking like"Y," is that the designs came from different companies / design bureaus / Planets / whatever. Competition is often the primary force behind the advance of technology, and even starfaring civilizations like the Federation and the Romulan Empire, would take care to keep their designers and engineers challenged.
I also think it looks like a trimaran but as a fan of cats I really like it and would call it one of the nicest ships i ever saw
Reminds me a lot of the USS Independence LCS-2.
I'm really looking forward to Pacific 201.
Final model looks like a British S class sub from WWII.
The design doesn't scream Romulan. My head canon is that its a Tal'shar design so they can run exterior ops sightings won't easily point back to the Empire.
Question for Eric Henry:
Because of the fanfilm guidelines, why not make a few tweaks and render this as something original?
Before FASA / before ST:II TWOK there is a very strong implication that a Federation ship is pretty much (mostly) going to be like The Enterprise.
There are other designs around but they look nothing like the Enterprise (other than the Nacelles) so looking backwards to a pre-TNG time - it seems it's not an unreasonable assumption to suggest that Nacelles (in a broad sense) are time specific. especially in that early period or Enterprise : NX-01 and TOS.
HOWEVER : if I've learned one thing from the 24th Century content there is a whole bunch of Nacelle designs that are a variation on a theme but even so you can still tell a late 23rd Century and 24th Century design by certain cues like the glowing blue warp grills and red low detail bussards and the mostly absent pure cylinders as a shape for the nacelles.
So when I look at the Disco - I see some slight tie to TMP with the rectalinear top half and to TOS with the hemi-cylindrical lower half.
But I don't think many people even noticed the underside was curved - but he Shinzhou throws a monkey wrench in the whole idea anyway with its Vengeance style Nacelles.
But I would argue to some extent nacelles need some degree of internal consistency to enable you to age the era you are seeing. You wouldn't want Prometheus style Nacelles on an Ambassador class - (well not unless it was a 24th Century major refit/redesign)
90 Lancaster. your first point is interesting, I got the impression that the Constitution/Starship class was new and unique. everyone talks about how special they are.
i do recall an older ship featuring in a TOS novel however that was described as being generally like the Enterprise except smaller and with more exposed conduits and components. This tied nicely in with Genes concept that an advanced ship will look simpler than a less advanced ship.
First impression.... it looks just like the boat in the TV show "Whale Wars". Edit: it was the "Ady Gil".
It kinda looks like the Ady Gil with warp nacelles on it.
It's uh interesting.
The soft ret-con or theory of how the ENT Romulans cloaked was sounding viable until Eric went too far on how he thought the mines cloaked, in Star Trek it has been shown to happen but if that was happening in ENT then the NX-01 should have also been cloaked or at least notice a HUGE cloaking field.
The ship makes me think it's that odd nacelled Tholian ship, also the concept for it reminds me of a Zentradi ship from "Robotech: The Macross Saga".
Idk that first pic doesn't look very romulan but the other shot angles do to me. Reminds me a lot of the extra-canonical d7esk romulan ships, But I think it makes sense with romulan strategy to not have it look "romulan" because after the war they would want to try and have ships that would be more easily mistaken as something else by Humans.
Oooo, another cool idea would be that the Tal'shiar might not have used the same design esthetic early on as the regular navy would! Like both have two completely different fleets.
I would think if you have a stealth ship operating at a time when there was a "treaty" you wouldn't want it to scream Romulan. and from the bottom it does look quite bird like
I like the design- to me it DOES look Romulan, but it looks like a Romulan ship with an experimental/stealth vibe. Kind of like how experimental modern sea-bound ships tend to have a very futuristic, angular look to them.
I give them a Terran Seal of Approval
I don't mind the smoothness of the ship because that's the Pacific 201 aesthetic, but the nacelles are too round to be Romulan. If you were to just change the color to greys then it could easily pass as a federation ship.
Beyond the bird painted on the hull and the name of the class, exactly how is the Klingon Bird of Prey connected to the Romulan's by its design. (Forget about a script that was changed). From what we saw in TOS the Romulans did not have a separate Command section hung off a boom which the Klingon's did. If anything the TOS Romulan Bird of Prey looks like a Federation saucer with warp Nacelles attached. Even the Romulan Nacelles look Federation. The Klingon Bird of Prey uses a different Warp configuration than either the Federation or the Romulans and hung Guns off the Wings instead of Nacelles. It also has the same basic silhouette of the D7. You can not connect a ship to a civilization based on a Paint job.
It's a space based trimaran motor cruiser. Looks nice though.
I still think the underslung nacells are more efficient, but not as fast.
Which would be right here. Long term missions without a lot of refueling would tend to want something that sips power and not speed as you're not supposed to be seen anyway.
Frank Harr. if you look at the ships you notice that fighting ships tend to have this basic layout.... Klingon cruisers certain romulan war ships the Defiant Akira and Steamrunner.... mid sized ships that make up the bulk of starfleet like the Miranda and Nebula etc.
you also see shuttles and lots of small utility ships with similar arrangements, seems to me the layout has some benefits when simplicity and robustness is a goal.
Why would it be simple and robust? And if it is simple and robust, but with no drawback, why would anyone ever do anything else?
These are questions that need answering.
In cannon, what ships have the underslung arrangement?
---All Shuttles
---TOS D-7's and ships developed from that or leading to that (the wings
on the Klingon BoP don't look like warp nacelles to me but rather arrangements
to keep the disrupters as far away from the people-tank as Klingony
possible, I suspect they're a massive radiation hazard which is why Star
Fleet doesn't use them).
---The Reliant.
---Some civilian ships.
Ships with overhanging nacelles are the following:
---The Connie Enterprise and the Refit.
---The Romulan BoP.
---The NX.
---Some other random ships.
(The Enterprise D, Voyager and Warbird don't fit in this, I suspect that
warp tech derived from the Excelcior experiments make an inline warp
arrangement more practical and the defiant seems to be in its own category with warp arrangements similar to the Klingon BoP)
So what are the characteristics of these vehicles?
All the shuttles have very very large crew areas and very small
everything else. This includes fuel reserves and engine compartments.
Small craft without a lot of fuel storage need to be efficient,
especially if they're expected to go a long way like Federation shuttles
are expected to do. Anti-mater fuel may be expensive and we KNOW
dilithum is. Also, civilian ships like to save power when it's
expensive, which is why, strangely, cargo ships are so effing huge.
They're just more efficient that way.
The Romulan BoP is being used in a series of hit-and-run attacks on
Federation outposts, which means they have to be able to run. It's no
good to hit and then wonder off slowly, even if you are under cloak
because what if it fails?
We know from Mara in Day of the Dove that the Klingon Empire is
suffering an extended period of economic decline. In the Enterprise
episode Judgement, we learn that Kingons are increasingly turning to
being warriors as life paths and leaving behind other jobs which likely
either percipitated or, given that the Klingons even in that series have
started raiding and cheating others, merely aggravated an existing
problem. We also get from this episode the sense that D-7's are maybe
not crewed as heavily as Federation ships and thus that large secondary
hull might all or mostly be engineering spaces, possibly to increase the speed of craft while keeping its efficiency.
The NX was SPECIFICALLY designed to be as fast as humanly possible,
that being warp 5 at the time.
We also know that all ships in the ST universe has artificial gravity,
mostly because it's hidiously expensive to film in a 0-G environment,
but it's also always been assumed that every deck has the same up (in
the ship I designed, it's not).
The reliant doesn't have an extensive engineering hull suggesting that
that space for engineering including fuel stores is more limited.
Also, and most importantly, there has to be tradeoffs or there's no
possibility of drama. That's boring and would suggest that every species would wind up with the same or very similar designs like all human aircraft cariers look very much alike. That would be SO BORING in any sort of visual entertainment, so there has to be an engineering reason for all the difference, even if it's totally made up.
So, my thought is this:
Artificial gravity interacts with warp field. If the gravity is
situated mostly below the plane of where the field is generated, that
interaction creates a situation where each warp factor requires more
energy to maintain, but they also achieve a higher warp.
If the gravity is above the nacelles (and we know that artificial
gravity on these ships are uni-directional because if they weren't, each
deck lower down would have to fight the gravity of the decks above)
then the each warp factor requires less energy to achieve, but you run
out of achievalbe factors faster than you do with other arrangement.
Anyway, that's my headcannon.
Unless you want to suggest that those little shuttles are designed for
fighting or that the Romulan BoP isn't.
This is genius.
Is this show still a thing? I would have thought the CBS guidelines would have cancelled it.
nope :) going very strong and at no risk from CBS as they are following the guidlines
Looks like a trimaran.
You guys should do the dyson's sphere,
Can you guys do a show on the "Early Romulan Warship" from the ST Chronology. It has a really cool retro Sci-Fi look to it. The model used can be found in good detail if you go to Google Images and type EARLY ROMULAN WARSHIP DREXFILES. It would be cool to see it rendered in a Romulan Green color!
Interesting.
I saw this and thought trimaran boat.
Stratagem his vessel do tend to have a sailing vessel/ WW1 era battleship vibe and while I can see some people say "that's not Star Trek " I'm no so sure, If we to compare US Naval self propelled vessels from the Monitor to the Zumwat (spelling) class, it is a bit silly to insist that Star Trek Federation vessel from ST:ENT to post Voy MUST have their back shape confined to a specific shape
I agree. I just saw that first photo and thought thats the Brigitte Bardot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Brigitte_Bardot#/media/File:MV_Brigitte_Bardot_at_Circular_Quay_Sydney.jpg
Stratagem whale wars?
I did like that show and I thought that Bardot had a striking resemblance to the Kestrel here on Trekyards.
Stratagem with some Ady Gil mixed in
I'm 21mins in and I still don't really have much of an idea what this project is? and a lack of links in the description.... c'mon chaps help a guy out.
Blankerz It's for Eric Henry's Pacific 201. Search it on Google and you'll learn all about it. Sorry for not having links in the description. But I'm currently at Wonderfest and don't have my computer with me. I will add them on Tuesday when I am home. Again....my apologies.
No worries pal, enjoy the festival/con!
"Won't be 'till Tuesday."
Sexy and I like that he is thinking about Uboats.
You guys should do a trekyards ep in character as that starfleet intelligence briefing closer to the release of 201!
it looks like a pontoon boat
I wish the Romulan ship extending a cloak over the mine field explained the contradiction but it doesn't. The mines were individually cloaked. The Enterprise was within the mine field so would have been within he cloaking perimeter. And the mine that attached itself The the Enterprise hull decloaked on its own. The writers of that episode were just not paying attention to cannon.
Not hydrofoils, outriggers
Looks like a trimaran in space...
Have I been drinking or are you all looking a bit fuzzy?
Nevermind yer all ok now.
Looks more like a Tamarian ship. I think Eric may have just had a favorite idea for a ship design and just shoved it in with a flimsy rationalization. I'm a big advocate that not all species ships should look like the same thing (even Fed designs are getting very flying-spearhead-samey), but there's nothing really Romulan here. Still a fine ship, but transparently a UBoat fetish piece.
he was not the first to come with this design, it's from a yacht out of Australia
Quick question you said that Star fleet is the earth Navy. How does that work since starfleet was founded by four races? Are we no longer giving aid or patrolling their borders as well?
the federation was founded by 4 races Starfleet is a human organisation
I'm not a big fan of the Romulans arriving late on the block, because they had to make infrastructure.
You guys are definitely "fans".
I really like this ship but it looks like someone saw the movie Waterworld too many times. It's a trimaran. A stealth ship should not look like a ship of the line. It should half stealth qualities even when not intended. For instance when visiting a foreign port
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Sorry but that's Trymaran Yacht.
Marc-Antonio Geht dich nix an tri
i honestly find tge pacific ships a bit ugly
That's the point.
huh