I'm always amused at how they spoke back then- like in all the WW2 films, 'Tally -ho old boy' etc lol. My grans sister (Queenie, weird name) she came from a tiny little village & almost as soon as she got married at around 17, her husband TOLD her they were moving to Rhodesia. This was in I guess late 1920's early 30's, she'd never been further than the local market town about 15 miles away in her life and she apparently cried her eyes out when she went to her dad to tell him. He was supposedly a very nice, kind sort of man but his reply was "Well, if your husband says you're going love, there's not much you can do but get on with it" !!. Bit different to nowadays huh?!. She actually loved it once she got over the shock of it & lived her whole life there despite her husband dying in the 60's. She died in early 90's. They had a farm so probably best she didn't live to see present day Zimbabwe!
The example abut one tribesman killing another tribesman and not regarding it as a murder reminded me of the US and the dual justice system defined by race. How one race gets a slap on the wrist when it kills a member of a different race as opposed to one if its own. I'm not saying that the two cases are similar, but the African case brought to my remembrance, the American case.
lmfao... I mean he seems to treat his workers well. He's just pointing out mostly cultural differences and yes there are genetic differences. Like he said "Instead of trying to turn a black man into a white man we should accept them and appreciate them for who they are"... sounds like the opposite of a racist
Well Africans are a more primeval in their behaviour sometimes we westerners are envious of their rustic simplicity as it is quite enriching even though we care not to admit it. But then again sometimes their ways are plainly outdated and stupid as science has proven. Both sides can learn something from each other.
phangirlable ignorant in the fact of how white folk viewed black people, with some superiority! If you watch the clip closely, when Hugh Tracey dismisses the black fellow, he shush him as if he was an animal. The culture and values of the black people in this story does NOT diminish how they live, as told by Hugh Tracey. Though we must always remember that education was not universal back then, and culture and values where not fully explored. Interesting to watch for the racial separation that era had.
It's the 1960s, so it is obviously less politically correct than we would expect now, but you're seeing what you want to see also. What you don't seem to be registering is that the person he is shushing away is an employee of his farm, he is not just some local. His hand gesture is basically saying, "OK, back to work".
It's funny that no ethnomusicologists studied the barbarism of European whites by colonizing, infiltrating, dehumanization and exploitation of Black Africa and other indigenous tribes and their countries, like they do Africa. Hugh Tracey had always talked both good and bad, or in fact very sarcastic about his African music subjects which he exploited as an ethnomusicologist during the colonial times. Just listen how he explains African "barbarism" to his fellow colleague; he portrayed his African music subjects as "devoid" of moralistic thinking about other African tribes etc. Backed by apartheid, colonization, exploitation and imperialism, he thought he was smarter than his research subjects, and that negates all the good he thought he was doing for oppressed Africans by collecting and keeping or preserving their cultural musical instruments. The difference between the English or so-called "boers" or "Afrikaners" and Africans is that the former were colonizers, oppressors, and exploiters of Africans, and they stole everything including African cultural artifacts of value and musical instruments and made them available for European researchers. Hugh Tracey was known as an African songs and instruments hunter and, he did collect a lot of them and left a family legacy to continue as authorities of African music and its instruments. Post Apartheid children in the townships of South Africa know nothing about these instruments but I hear the word going that ILAM is doing community outreach programs as a way of giving back the ancient stolen musical instruments and knowledge of how to play them.
"Colonizing, infiltrating, dehumanization, exploitation, oppression, imperialism..." It's obvious you've picked up these terms from woke teachers and professors; what's even more obvious is you don't even know what they mean. You keep repeating them like they're some kind of virtue-signalling code; but you have only a vague idea as to their meaning. The glaringly obvious one is "infiltrate". You don't even know what that means. ....Are you saying Europeans SNUCK into Africa, what, disguised as locals?!? Even such concepts as "stealing" seem to elude you. British scholars "stole" music by recording and cataloging it, apparently. "Collection" (by accepting gifts or by purchase) of musical instruments from non-white people is apparently "theft".
@@MrJm323 Your libraries, museums, research institutes, UA-cam, Google, etc. are full of your history. If the hat fits you, you must wear it. I know everything I'm talking about as research historian and scientist, that's why I don't hide my face...faceless idiot!!!
Spencer Kindra replied: "MrJm323 because that’s how narcissistic and fragile they are over their precious African culture. Everything is so sacred that the white man just listening to it is blasphemy."
I am intrigued that mr. Tracey's more tolerant attitude, for his time, is still weirdly racist and misogynistic by today's standards. As I watched, It was promising at the start, but OH MAN WHAT NOW?
I'm always amused at how they spoke back then- like in all the WW2 films, 'Tally -ho old boy' etc lol. My grans sister (Queenie, weird name) she came from a tiny little village & almost as soon as she got married at around 17, her husband TOLD her they were moving to Rhodesia. This was in I guess late 1920's early 30's, she'd never been further than the local market town about 15 miles away in her life and she apparently cried her eyes out when she went to her dad to tell him. He was supposedly a very nice, kind sort of man but his reply was "Well, if your husband says you're going love, there's not much you can do but get on with it" !!. Bit different to nowadays huh?!. She actually loved it once she got over the shock of it & lived her whole life there despite her husband dying in the 60's. She died in early 90's. They had a farm so probably best she didn't live to see present day Zimbabwe!
He was courageous, he also came to my people Kipsigis of Kenya.
He made records on the same famous being Jimmy rodgers(Chemirocha)
The example abut one tribesman killing another tribesman and not regarding it as a murder reminded me of the US and the dual justice system defined by race. How one race gets a slap on the wrist when it kills a member of a different race as opposed to one if its own. I'm not saying that the two cases are similar, but the African case brought to my remembrance, the American case.
Wow very interesting!
I wish I could've met Mr. Tracey. Seemed like such a good guy.
they were doing the running man at the end lol
What an amazing man! He had such love for Africa!
funny, ppl call his grandson (Devon) a nazi and white supremacist for his views, when he holds the same deep respect for ppl the way that Hugh did
chemirocha brought me here👍
which country was this, man?
South Africa
He a little racist but he got the spirit
lmfao... I mean he seems to treat his workers well. He's just pointing out mostly cultural differences and yes there are genetic differences. Like he said "Instead of trying to turn a black man into a white man we should accept them and appreciate them for who they are"... sounds like the opposite of a racist
Well Africans are a more primeval in their behaviour sometimes we westerners are envious of their rustic simplicity as it is quite enriching even though we care not to admit it. But then again sometimes their ways are plainly outdated and stupid as science has proven. Both sides can learn something from each other.
I'm not envious one damn bit. ROFL
I'm not envious of these people at all. More like empathy.
You talk like a FOOL!!!
Andile Meshack : butthurt are you?
We are not simple people. We are just as complicated as you. That’s what Tracey is trying to say
this shows us how ignorant that era was! our education in history has given us more understanding of culture and values!
+nathan salas Why ignorant?
phangirlable ignorant in the fact of how white folk viewed black people, with some superiority! If you watch the clip closely, when Hugh Tracey dismisses the black fellow, he shush him as if he was an animal. The culture and values of the black people in this story does NOT diminish how they live, as told by Hugh Tracey. Though we must always remember that education was not universal back then, and culture and values where not fully explored. Interesting to watch for the racial separation that era had.
totally agree, that made me feel a bit sick the way he treated the locals..
It's the 1960s, so it is obviously less politically correct than we would expect now, but you're seeing what you want to see also. What you don't seem to be registering is that the person he is shushing away is an employee of his farm, he is not just some local. His hand gesture is basically saying, "OK, back to work".
Yeah right, nathan. And it's bad news.
It's funny that no ethnomusicologists studied the barbarism of European whites by colonizing, infiltrating, dehumanization and exploitation of Black Africa and other indigenous tribes and their countries, like they do Africa. Hugh Tracey had always talked both good and bad, or in fact very sarcastic about his African music subjects which he exploited as an ethnomusicologist during the colonial times. Just listen how he explains African "barbarism" to his fellow colleague; he portrayed his African music subjects as "devoid" of moralistic thinking about other African tribes etc. Backed by apartheid, colonization, exploitation and imperialism, he thought he was smarter than his research subjects, and that negates all the good he thought he was doing for oppressed Africans by collecting and keeping or preserving their cultural musical instruments. The difference between the English or so-called "boers" or "Afrikaners" and Africans is that the former were colonizers, oppressors, and exploiters of Africans, and they stole everything including African cultural artifacts of value and musical instruments and made them available for European researchers. Hugh Tracey was known as an African songs and instruments hunter and, he did collect a lot of them and left a family legacy to continue as authorities of African music and its instruments. Post Apartheid children in the townships of South Africa know nothing about these instruments but I hear the word going that ILAM is doing community outreach programs as a way of giving back the ancient stolen musical instruments and knowledge of how to play them.
"Colonizing, infiltrating, dehumanization, exploitation, oppression, imperialism..."
It's obvious you've picked up these terms from woke teachers and professors; what's even more obvious is you don't even know what they mean. You keep repeating them like they're some kind of virtue-signalling code; but you have only a vague idea as to their meaning. The glaringly obvious one is "infiltrate". You don't even know what that means. ....Are you saying Europeans SNUCK into Africa, what, disguised as locals?!?
Even such concepts as "stealing" seem to elude you. British scholars "stole" music by recording and cataloging it, apparently. "Collection" (by accepting gifts or by purchase) of musical instruments from non-white people is apparently "theft".
@@MrJm323 Your libraries, museums, research institutes, UA-cam, Google, etc. are full of your history. If the hat fits you, you must wear it. I know everything I'm talking about as research historian and scientist, that's why I don't hide my face...faceless idiot!!!
The difference is violence to adult men outside the community, versus violence to children in your own community
Spencer Kindra replied: "MrJm323 because that’s how narcissistic and fragile they are over their precious African culture. Everything is so sacred that the white man just listening to it is blasphemy."
@@MrJm323Enough with the projection dude.
4:37 That’s his second wife
I am intrigued that mr. Tracey's more tolerant attitude, for his time, is still weirdly racist and misogynistic by today's standards. As I watched, It was promising at the start, but OH MAN WHAT NOW?
Misogynistic ????
Not racist. Just an honest observer. He loved African music and wanted dedicated his life to studying it and recording it.
@@malikjones2193Very racist. His "observations" were racist hogwash.