Also, before he started explaining how (relatively) hard it is to pick, he pointed out that shimming and such would still work. So, these 30 seconds were doing it the hard way.
Yuuto Amakawa before I started watching lock picking videos I thought master lock was one of, if not the best. I watched these videos and I was amazed and kind of excited. At work we had a locker that had been unable to be used for like 6 months. I reclaimed with two paper clips. We beat the hell out of the lock with a hammer too to no avail. I took the locker and let’s just say masterlock is not on it.
@@FerunaLutelou The engineers care. Thats how locks like this get made. But the sales department sends the drawings back with a note "need to make at 60% of cost," and another young engineer becomes more jaded
@@mattm3023 I was told by a director of a government department to build a system with no security, because it would be cheaper and determined hackers could get in anyway. That was only a few years ago. On another system which you could use to literally write your own cheques I was asking the designer how the system got the automatic login credentials to the finance system. He said it uses this command here, login:=userid/password. Yes I said, but where does it get the userid from. He pointed at the code and said, it gets it there. It's userid. What about the password then? He pointed at password and said there. Seriously the userid was userid and the password was password. Talk about hiding in clear sight. No-one would believe that the security was so bad, and would never try that. Except for the head of accounts. He didn't even go to jail.
I have been watching so many of these and a few things have just dawned on me: 1. I have no fucking idea what he is talking about. 2. His calming voice has lead me to believe that words like 'binding' are terms that i understand. In reality i have no idea what that means. 3. I have no idea why i cant stop watching them despite having no clue what it all means. 4. For some reason i really enjoy hearing him talk on and on about things i will probably never understand.
When you tension a lock, you're turning the barrel a little so that the inner and outer sections of the lock aren't quite aligned, which makes a little ledge that you can get the pins to catch on. Because the pins aren't all aligned exactly the same, usually one pin will "bind", that is, it's tight in its slot because it's the only pin holding back your tension while the rest move freely. So the binding pin is ready to be picked; if you nudge it into the right position, it'll "set" as the barrel rotates just a hair further, and another pin will become bound and ready to be picked.
LPL makes it look so easy I thought it would be interesting to try. I bought lockpicking tools, bump keys, locks, etc. I still can't pick a lock. I don't have "the touch".
@@ollierinko9387 Unfortunately, I don't think that is possible. You need a key inserted to enable the re-key function, he says so around the 5:00 mark. If in some way you could defeat that mechanism then I suppose you could re-key the lock with said paper clip.
Jonathan Fairchild you can definitely pick to rekey. You don’t need the key inserted to rekey, you need the key inserted to turn the core away from 12 (closed) and 3 o clock (open/rekey) positions. And as demonstrated in the picking, you can defeat that by picking specifically it.
I was a toolmaker for 25 years and never knew there was a "c-clip remover" tool. But we used to call them "Jesus clips" because when you popped them off with a small screwdriver, you'd always say "Jesus, where'd that go?"
Don Moore Can deconfirm, engineer who’s helped out in machine shops that used C-clips in design before. The tools are known outside of locksmithing circles...but probably not outside a small number of other specialized engineering fields.
We already have a lock design that, at least as far as I know at the time of writing, still has not been picked by LPL. That lock in question is the Bowley lock, which is already a very unusual design on its own. Check out LPL's own video on it, for context: ua-cam.com/video/qV8QKZNFxLw/v-deo.html Personally, if anyone were to design a new highly pick-resistant lock, I think something that explores the Bowley's design choices and takes them further could be very promising indeed.
"We're gonna ignore the normal master lock vulnerabilities, things like shimmying and rapping. Rest assured those are still present with this lock" Oh thank god. I was worried the universe was broken for a second. Don't scare me like that.
LockPickingLawyer that there is. Maybe a topic for a video sometime in the future? Loving your vids btw, clearly spoken, crisp video quality and always something new to learn for a budding locksmith like myself haha
Well some people laugh at these analytic types but I appreciate them. He’s a master at this as I can tell anyway. When you love what you do it’s not a job. 🙂 People like him are why we come to UA-cam and anyone in this comment section that are making fun of him are pretty much brain dead. (steps off soap box 😂😜)🤙 Keep it up buddy!!!
I was watching “worlds toughest prisons” in the U.K. and a prison in Mexico was using individual master padlocks on the cell doors and I thought to myself “I bet the lock picking lawyer would be outta there in seconds!”
I used to repossess cars in the early 1980's, and the owner of the small firm I worked for used to say that those side bar GM ignition locks were un-pickable... for the reasons you state here. I know I never did. I would use all sorts of techniques, whatever was appropriate, for different vehicles and gates and so on: Picking, cutting keys (when the code was still find-able... as you know many cars would have it on a label in the glove box, or stamped on the passenger door cylinder), slide hammer as puller, and the hardened "socket" with breaker bar (would simply shear all the pins and turn the cylinder. "CRUNCH"). But the GM locks, we didn't even try picking. Since then, because of that, I often wondered why side bar mechanisms like that were not used in padlocks and so on. But there you go! Now I know they do in some. Love your videos... very interesting and informative. And you keep the lock companies on their toes, I'm sure... and only help improve the state of the art by revealing the weaknesses.
"I'm going full lock nerd so I'm probably losing some of you" Why do you think we watch your videos LPL? The lock nerd bit is what has drawn me in for sure, it's so cool hearing you talk about different locks and designs and the history behind them!
Couldn't this core be used in a beefier padlock with a bottom plate that restricted the access to the side bar? That would make a much better padlock then, right!?
oracla To be fair he had to have complete understanding of how the mechanism works before picking it. I doubt some theif off the street would buy a duplicate, then take it apart to see how it worked before picking your lock.
not really, I'm tired of hearing this argument. you simply need to grip the lock and do the exact same thing. Once you know how it works, it is what it is and if you know how to pick it, you can.
+Gabzo Avro Not true, at all. Not being able to hold the lock EXACTLY how you like, can easily make the difference between a 10 sec pick and unpickable.
Wow, thank you for tutorial! I was FINALLY able to pick this (my son's lock) after almost 3 months. He lost the keys and well, neither of us wanted to pay for it to be fixed. The hardest part was that little button!
@1:45 - *"I am going full lock nerd right now"* - And that is why we watch. Lock Nerd on one side, Lock Destructor on the other. I'd enjoy a good port with you, my friend.
Insanely idiotic. They make cheap locks. If they wanted to make an unpickable lock they’d use precision machining and quality materials. The fact that this lock is difficult to pick and cheap to make is actually a really good thing for the CEO.
Have almost no idea what he is talking about as he intricately takes apart then proceeds to pick a complex lock... virtually all of the vocab goes completely over my head! It's beautiful.
You just blew my mind. I had no idea that Master lock had anything this interesting. And then ... I experience that moment, when you accidentally walk into a meeting of Lock Nerds Anonymous, and then you realize you ... belong there.
@@derekdacus4437 He makes it quite clear he is a "Lawyer", so it is obvious he knows his legal rights here, and so do they. But unless you are implying assassination, I doubt he runs any risks. He doesn't show his face because there is no need for it, and this is one of the reasons this channel is so great. It isn't one of those 'selfie channels' with dudes smiling at the camera and wasting our time with their egos; this guy is great, and he is wickedly articulate with an amazing command of the English language, which makes this channel especially interesting. I love hearing his discourse, and subtle, sarcastic sense of humour.
I would need some help of drawings or so, as I didn't get how this rekeying works. Also not sure why standard tension won't work here. I guess not my level yet ;-)
@@ziomalZparafii Looking over the video again it looks like the brass plates sit upon the teeth of the key (9:01) like a pin would. Those plates have slots in their spines that fit lock like a puzzle piece into the rekeying sliders (8:26). Those sliders hold the height for each bit on the key, and they only move when you are re-keying as they are otherwise locked to "imprint" the key. The reason you can't use only a tension bar to turn the core is the piece that prevents you from re-keying to a key with no bitting (7:18). If there is no key depressing that piece at the back, it will stick out and stop the core from turning. I am no expert, and sadly I have not practiced lockpicking for a while but that is what it looks like is happening to me.
It's really too bad that companies that specialize in making locks don't do the best they can. This one is proof that Master can do far, far better than it almost always does.
if any lock company would just use the reverse sidebar lock design, without the rekey option then it should be extremely hard to pick that lock, no binding, no picking. provided its not made of cheap metal or plastic!
You can accomplish that by grinding the dovetail off the locking bar. Maybe better suited for their dead bolts where you're not destroying the lock to get to the cylinder core.
So far I noticed MasterLock always leaves 1 flaw in their locks. It' a different flaw across the range but there's always 1. Part of me thinks it's intentional in case you need to call a locksmith.
I'm not a lock picker, but I do re-key all kinds of locks. I received my first lock picking kit a few days ago from Amazon. After watching the way you finesse these locks open. I was able to pick the acrylic lock (taped up of course) within 4.5 minutes. To my surprise I got even faster on each attempt. It's like using the tip of the pick as an extension of you fingers. After that I picked 2 master locks, and my house lock. Thanks for sharing your expertise! :-)
@@Derpy-qg9hn He did say the usual flaws of Masterlocks like shimming are still present, he just chose to ignore them. It's better sure, but not what I would call a decent lock. They also managed to make one of the most pick resistant core structures on this channel pickable in 30 seconds or less.
@@ghostderazgriz Agreed. I'd add for context (mostly due to other commenters' remarks here) that 'pickable' is really dependent on skill set; I think the 10k hours to mastery rule applies here, this isn't an easy task especially with sidebar locks, I can't manage them (yet) despite having the proper tools (seen here in LPL's video and the Kwikset ones) and a fair bit of practice. It takes more than a little practice to open the most common standard, non re-keyable locks via single-pin picking, i.e. not raking or bypassing... which is why I go in the exact reverse order of that when trying to open a lock I'm new to. Which is why it is fun....
When I watch older videos of him putting words like "pick resistant" and "master lock" in the same sentence, I always check the date of upload to see if it's the 1st of April...
I can pick some locks. I don’t mean to toot my own horn here but I’m an absolute MASTER at the clear one so I’m basically a professional. Lol. Honestly I can pick simple pad locks. That’s about all I’ve tried but this dude.... this dudes on a whole other level. This guys is a legitimate wizard when it comes to locks. Fascinating to watch how fast he’s able to pick them open. Love the videos my guy. Keep em up. Keep blowin my mind 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
These longer LPL videos remind me of Forgotten Weapons videos, the ones where Ian will point to some tiny metal nub and be like "see what this is doing there? That's what causes this to do this" and me just sitting there completely lost.
LPL -- are you familiar with the similar, but "heavier duty" Master Magnum M532XKADLH (M532) re-keyable version that does have a dual ball bearing locking mechanism, hex boron carbide shackle, and typical bottom plate core retention thus making the core easily removable when unlocked. I believe this is the same core -- Not sure this model is available anymore (I picked up two at local Home Depot several years ago)
I’m very familiar with it. Been trying to find one for a couple months! It is the same core. And I would like to see if the same vulnerability is present in this lock.
1:44 the main reason why i watch and love your videos is because i love locks and the world of companies and thieves, im hoping once i get further into highschool i can even learn locksmithing to explore that "world"
I just bought a cheap pick set. I never picked a week ago. You make this seem like the most interesting hobby in the world! I don’t know what I’m doing with my life.
3:02 - So, all you need is a battery operated cutting wheel and you can grind off the rivets? Then again, if that were the concern, you would just take the battery operated cutting wheel and just cut off the lock. So, physical destruction of the lock is not really the point here, I guess. At this point, the purpose of the lock is to make it difficult to breech it without it being obvious that it has been compromised.
Wow initially I actually thought that core would've given you a little more trouble. It seems to be a nice core executed poorly by Masterlock, notwithstanding the other vulnerabilities you pointed out early in the video. Great info and great exploitation of Masterlock's oversight of that core. How much harder would that core have been to pick if that side bar exploit was not there? Do those slider pins make it any more difficult as opposed to regular pin sets? Thank you for all the time you spend educating us...
Considering there are currently about 1,200+ videos all about picking locks, im fairly certain it's safe to say that we could listen to you go lock nerd all day.
I think its interesting that Master Lock is using its own history of crappiness to enhance security. If I were just given this lock and not told what it was, it would probably take me a long time to figure out it wasn't even a pin & tumbler lock. I know when I first started picking locks I exclusively used rakes, and on Master Locks they worked really well. I'm wondering if the tolerances on this lock are poor enough that it couldn't just be raked open in a couple minutes. You might not even have to know about that button if its placed where youd be bumping it all the time.
Raking would be very difficult, though I will not say impossible. Recall that the General Motors reverse side bar locks sometimes were defeated with Auto jigglers.
You truly are a master of lockpicking. Id say the best in the world. Your knowledge of how to manipulate every single lock the comes in your path is insane. Keep it up man
The evolution of locks...cars, planes, trains and it's obvious everything is Evolving in some way or forum. Funny how humanity can make that distinction/observation! Thanks Lock Picking Lawyer!
I've found chinese locks that just use a spring at the end of the keyway to open the lock, so all you have to do is stick anything straight into the lock and they just pop right open. At least Master Lock has THEM beat.
After he said he chiseled off the rivets, it was all a blur. It makes you wonder why Master makes so many locks with excellent features but they always have flaws. They have the potential to make an awesome product but simply choose not to. They make locks with ball bearing lugs but they're easy to pick. They make a lock that's difficult to pick but they use shimable lugs....just doesn't make sense.
I sold a 1947 GMC to a neighbor, but the key had been lost, and he was not happy at all. For the pittance he paid for a mostly rust free truck (It had a camper on it and the straight box front panel was rusted, but it's the easiest part on the truck to make), I should have told him to take a flying leap off Grand Falls. It took me half a day, but I got the door lock impressioned & used that key, and a big sewing needle to yank the ignition lock. GM did not change over from the 1930s locks until quite a while after WWII. Hot wiring was so easy, but getting into the truck was NOT! You had to open a wing window, then use a 6 or 7 foot long stick of wood to flip up the door handle to unlock the truck. When you pushed down on the interior door handle and it clicked down about 12 degrees the door was locked, none of those little pull sticks knobs by the windows. If you didn't have wing windows, you were kinda screwed, and some models didn't have them. The passenger door was the only door with a keyhole too. FOR SAFETY NO UNLOCKING THE TRUCK FROM THE STREET SIDE! Weird, as they didn't have seat belts back then.
Tried to find this lock #18 finally called master lock and they said they had no master lock #18 where do I go from there. If you bought it from amazon what model no. did you order. Thanks
just you guys know, this lock can be opened with two shims. I'm sure lpl knows that since he mentioned ball bearings at the end, but I didn't hear him actually say that shims would work in the video.
I know of two, and there are probably more, channels that show the problems with Master locks. Does the company ever redesign to defeat known tactics, or do they rely on "security by ignorance" and hope that most would-be thieves don't learn those tactics?
@R.P. Rosen Presumably at some point their products' security deficits will actually begin to affect their bottom line in a way they can no longer ignore. There are after all things you can't "market your way out of." Consumers have a way of becoming educated ... eventually. If they are a company that actually wants to survive, then I would expect to see them ultimately engage in a major push to actually deal with the problems. Which fact naturally would be trumpeted far and wide by their marketing wonks...
Well, you have a podium to express any educational issues you think the consumer should be aware of. Of course, being a lawyer, you might not want to go too far. We understand that professionals have some duty to the public, but they also have some duty to protect themselves from litigious corporations.
BlackDolphin90 Well, maybe if they fix the issues to the laminated padlocks in general. Remember, the cylinder is only 1 of the several flaws. Master won't fix the issues as with the design of the laminated locks wouldn't permit the necessary upgrades. It's still a cool design, but there other weaknesses make it about worthless.
I've taken a Master Lock off a gate in less than a minute with a stud puller. Just wrenched the rivets away, then took the cylinder out. They need to stop making laminated locks...
I wouldn’t hold my breath. Consumer ignorance is the heart of the problem. Outside of the security community, the company enjoys a great reputation. Stunning!
I remember the School chem lab had these types of locks to lock their gas shutoff valves, which was conveniently right by my desk which was hidden from the teacher by said desk. On days when we had a substitute, I would set my stopwatch and spend the majority of the class speed lockpicking
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*Explains for ten minutes the impressive complexity of a lock*
*Proceeds to pick lock in 30 seconds*
ZachWhosoever, yeah... He's so damn good.
For lpl 30 seconds is bank vault territory
Also, before he started explaining how (relatively) hard it is to pick, he pointed out that shimming and such would still work.
So, these 30 seconds were doing it the hard way.
Yuuto Amakawa before I started watching lock picking videos I thought master lock was one of, if not the best. I watched these videos and I was amazed and kind of excited. At work we had a locker that had been unable to be used for like 6 months. I reclaimed with two paper clips. We beat the hell out of the lock with a hammer too to no avail. I took the locker and let’s just say masterlock is not on it.
Also could have shimed it
Master Lock isn't absolute trash because it makes bad locks.
It's trash because it's fully capable of making amazing locks but doesn't.
If someone wants in a lock, they'll get into it.
@@DAV1979 Making better locks wouldnt really be any more expensive for them, they just dont care.
@@FerunaLutelou The engineers care. Thats how locks like this get made. But the sales department sends the drawings back with a note "need to make at 60% of cost," and another young engineer becomes more jaded
@@mattm3023 I was told by a director of a government department to build a system with no security, because it would be cheaper and determined hackers could get in anyway. That was only a few years ago. On another system which you could use to literally write your own cheques I was asking the designer how the system got the automatic login credentials to the finance system. He said it uses this command here, login:=userid/password. Yes I said, but where does it get the userid from. He pointed at the code and said, it gets it there. It's userid. What about the password then? He pointed at password and said there. Seriously the userid was userid and the password was password. Talk about hiding in clear sight. No-one would believe that the security was so bad, and would never try that. Except for the head of accounts. He didn't even go to jail.
Phil Gray wth that’s so insecure
I have been watching so many of these and a few things have just dawned on me:
1. I have no fucking idea what he is talking about.
2. His calming voice has lead me to believe that words like 'binding' are terms that i understand. In reality i have no idea what that means.
3. I have no idea why i cant stop watching them despite having no clue what it all means.
4. For some reason i really enjoy hearing him talk on and on about things i will probably never understand.
number 2 hits home.
Normally I understand some of it but now I am drunk anf žžd I don't understand a fucking thinga jsjsjssjhshshahhahahha
When you tension a lock, you're turning the barrel a little so that the inner and outer sections of the lock aren't quite aligned, which makes a little ledge that you can get the pins to catch on. Because the pins aren't all aligned exactly the same, usually one pin will "bind", that is, it's tight in its slot because it's the only pin holding back your tension while the rest move freely. So the binding pin is ready to be picked; if you nudge it into the right position, it'll "set" as the barrel rotates just a hair further, and another pin will become bound and ready to be picked.
You have just stated 4 times you have no idea what he means. Tbh I don’t either
LPL makes it look so easy I thought it would be interesting to try. I bought lockpicking tools, bump keys, locks, etc. I still can't pick a lock. I don't have "the touch".
The "Master Lock Re-Keying Tool" looks suspiciously like a paperclip.
Yeah but it's useless to have unless you insert the key and turn it. It doesn't aid defeating the lock so it doesn't need to be complicated.
Dude, the tools he used to *pick the lock* looked suspiciously like a paperclip!
@@jonathanfairchild You should be able to use that to re-key it to a key you have once you've picked it open though :)
@@ollierinko9387 Unfortunately, I don't think that is possible. You need a key inserted to enable the re-key function, he says so around the 5:00 mark. If in some way you could defeat that mechanism then I suppose you could re-key the lock with said paper clip.
Jonathan Fairchild you can definitely pick to rekey. You don’t need the key inserted to rekey, you need the key inserted to turn the core away from 12 (closed) and 3 o clock (open/rekey) positions. And as demonstrated in the picking, you can defeat that by picking specifically it.
"Hard to do if found in the wild"
A wild masterlock appeared
LPL used Pick!
It's super effective!
@@user-pi5xz5je4y The wild MasterLock has fainted.
LPL used passing glance!
The masterlock fainted!
Masterlock hurt itself in confusion.
😂
I was a toolmaker for 25 years and never knew there was a "c-clip remover" tool.
But we used to call them "Jesus clips" because when you popped them off with a small screwdriver, you'd always say "Jesus, where'd that go?"
My take is that may be made specifically for locksmiths, so they don't have to call them Jesus clips :) I have never heard of one either.
I've always called them "dammit clips" for the same reason.
this made me laugh and i dont even pick locks 😆
Not a locksmith, but called them the same name for the same reason.
Don Moore Can deconfirm, engineer who’s helped out in machine shops that used C-clips in design before. The tools are known outside of locksmithing circles...but probably not outside a small number of other specialized engineering fields.
Wow, Master made something that you can't just shake to open! Wow!
He did point out that you could shun it though
@@valentinfranco6396 *yells at lock* you should feel horrible that you are like this, never try to protect my house again
l wilton then again he said that you could he just decided to do it the harder way
Probably a defect
I know you meant MasterLOCK but this just reads like you're a court jester
When he said “out in the wild” I just imagined a herd of padlocks in a field
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
A group of padlocks out in the wild is actually called a “rattle.”
padlocks in a paddock
I know huh. Kind of an odd thing to say but I don’t think he gets out much but neither do I so whatever lol
Please design your lock! Show us what you think would be the hardest to pick, don't worry about manufacturing, just design it. One of us will make it.
Good idea. Also btw, if anyone have some other designs please give them to me for free so I can make money from it without you getting anything.
Even if he designs one , im sure he’s not gonna publicly share it. If i were him i’d sell my idea
he has said that he doesn't think any lock is perfect and he doesn't think he could do any better of a job than other manufactures or designers
If he designed a bad ass lock he could source a manufacturer to make it and sell it on his channel. That's what I would do.
We already have a lock design that, at least as far as I know at the time of writing, still has not been picked by LPL. That lock in question is the Bowley lock, which is already a very unusual design on its own. Check out LPL's own video on it, for context:
ua-cam.com/video/qV8QKZNFxLw/v-deo.html
Personally, if anyone were to design a new highly pick-resistant lock, I think something that explores the Bowley's design choices and takes them further could be very promising indeed.
"We're gonna ignore the normal master lock vulnerabilities, things like shimmying and rapping. Rest assured those are still present with this lock"
Oh thank god. I was worried the universe was broken for a second.
Don't scare me like that.
I actually really enjoyed the "lock nerd" lock history lesson. Really interesting
Thanks. I love that stuff. So much to learn from history.
LockPickingLawyer that there is. Maybe a topic for a video sometime in the future? Loving your vids btw, clearly spoken, crisp video quality and always something new to learn for a budding locksmith like myself haha
You are the nightmare of all lock companies in the world, I imagine they must have voodoo dolls of you stuck with needles.
Heh... I heard it at first as lochnar... from Heavy Metal.
Well some people laugh at these analytic types but I appreciate them. He’s a master at this as I can tell anyway. When you love what you do it’s not a job. 🙂 People like him are why we come to UA-cam and anyone in this comment section that are making fun of him are pretty much brain dead. (steps off soap box 😂😜)🤙 Keep it up buddy!!!
I have watched this guy over the last year for no reason. Dude is a damn wizard!
Ur a wizard Hurrah
Ha! I completely agree! I've watched Soooo many of these, and have no interest in picking locks
It's called OCD, with a touch of mechanical curiosity.
I was watching “worlds toughest prisons” in the U.K. and a prison in Mexico was using individual master padlocks on the cell doors and I thought to myself “I bet the lock picking lawyer would be outta there in seconds!”
First he'd have to improvise some tools. But given the number of attack vectors on many mastered locks, he'd have options there.
mavos1211 he’d lawyer his way out before he was ever put in jail
@@ayooobro in mexico, that probably wouldnt help.
Mexico isn't in the U.K.
@@JBirdBobbyJ He's watching from the UK
I used to repossess cars in the early 1980's, and the owner of the small firm I worked for used to say that those side bar GM ignition locks were un-pickable... for the reasons you state here. I know I never did. I would use all sorts of techniques, whatever was appropriate, for different vehicles and gates and so on: Picking, cutting keys (when the code was still find-able... as you know many cars would have it on a label in the glove box, or stamped on the passenger door cylinder), slide hammer as puller, and the hardened "socket" with breaker bar (would simply shear all the pins and turn the cylinder. "CRUNCH").
But the GM locks, we didn't even try picking. Since then, because of that, I often wondered why side bar mechanisms like that were not used in padlocks and so on. But there you go! Now I know they do in some.
Love your videos... very interesting and informative. And you keep the lock companies on their toes, I'm sure... and only help improve the state of the art by revealing the weaknesses.
When I saw the title, I had to look at the calendar. Nope, it's not April first yet.
Lol...
Well he did say shimming still worked...
@@lockpickinglawyer 😂
"I'm going full lock nerd so I'm probably losing some of you" Why do you think we watch your videos LPL? The lock nerd bit is what has drawn me in for sure, it's so cool hearing you talk about different locks and designs and the history behind them!
Couldn't this core be used in a beefier padlock with a bottom plate that restricted the access to the side bar? That would make a much better padlock then, right!?
Yes.
THEY ALREADY MAKE THIS IN A MAGNUM (M532)
Same problem though: ua-cam.com/video/4NM6zEN92k8/v-deo.html
LockPickingLawyer if someone was careful putting some epoxy on the side there to cover the hole im sure it might fix it
@@greenthizzle4 You're SURE it MIGHT huh? Lol
9 minutes explaining in excellent detail just how this lock prevents picking, then smashes it open in less than a minute. Phenomenal skills mate.
Unpickable... picked in less then a minute. Damn lawyers :D
oracla To be fair he had to have complete understanding of how the mechanism works before picking it. I doubt some theif off the street would buy a duplicate, then take it apart to see how it worked before picking your lock.
Hunter Bowie But he can just watch this video.
Yes, but he had it in a vise, not in the wild which would make it very difficult to pick.
not really, I'm tired of hearing this argument. you simply need to grip the lock and do the exact same thing. Once you know how it works, it is what it is and if you know how to pick it, you can.
+Gabzo Avro
Not true, at all. Not being able to hold the lock EXACTLY how you like, can easily make the difference between a 10 sec pick and unpickable.
Wow, thank you for tutorial! I was FINALLY able to pick this (my son's lock) after almost 3 months. He lost the keys and well, neither of us wanted to pay for it to be fixed. The hardest part was that little button!
Once you got it in the unlocked position did you rekey to a standard kw1 key?
Let me guess, you found his stash of Hustlers? ;)
@1:45 - *"I am going full lock nerd right now"* - And that is why we watch. Lock Nerd on one side, Lock Destructor on the other. I'd enjoy a good port with you, my friend.
👍 Thanks... though I usually stick with scotch. 😋
@@lockpickinglawyer Single Malt I hope!
@@clutions ahh, the single malt myth raises its ugly head again 🙄
Masterlock CEO: finally, we have created the unpickable lock!!!!
*LPL picked it in 30 seconds*
CEO: I QUIT!!!!!
Insanely idiotic. They make cheap locks. If they wanted to make an unpickable lock they’d use precision machining and quality materials.
The fact that this lock is difficult to pick and cheap to make is actually a really good thing for the CEO.
They just needed to protect that one little knob and it would be unpickable duh
@@dreamyrhodes yep just a full plate on the side instead if that with the openings and it would be a lot harder.
More like, shrug, they don't call him lpl for nothing
Well, to be fair, LPL literally made a tool just to pick this lock
I had no idea this shit is so fascinating, high browsing youtube and 3 hrs later im at lockpicking central😂
Welcome to the party! 👍
"high browsing"
fuck, I can relate to this
Have almost no idea what he is talking about as he intricately takes apart then proceeds to pick a complex lock... virtually all of the vocab goes completely over my head! It's beautiful.
You just blew my mind. I had no idea that Master lock had anything this interesting. And then ... I experience that moment, when you accidentally walk into a meeting of Lock Nerds Anonymous, and then you realize you ... belong there.
Welcome to the club. Meetings are on Wednesdays, you bring the beer. 😋
stands up: " hello I'm RP, and ... I'M A LOCK NERD" everyone else: hi RP
R.P. Rosen omg this is so true!
Hi RP
Hi, I'm J.P. I just started picking on Sparrow's cutaway practice locks. I just picked my first Master lock, #3...twice...lol.
You are the nightmare of all lock companies in the world, I imagine they must have voodoo dolls of you stuck with needles.
That's why he doesn't show his face...
They pay good money to have people find their weakness. He does for free.
....no movement on needle on, a false set on needle 2 and we're in....
@c6amp Yes, but I only imagine they hate it when it becomes public information with 1.8 million views.
@@derekdacus4437 He makes it quite clear he is a "Lawyer", so it is obvious he knows his legal rights here, and so do they. But unless you are implying assassination, I doubt he runs any risks. He doesn't show his face because there is no need for it, and this is one of the reasons this channel is so great. It isn't one of those 'selfie channels' with dudes smiling at the camera and wasting our time with their egos; this guy is great, and he is wickedly articulate with an amazing command of the English language, which makes this channel especially interesting. I love hearing his discourse, and subtle, sarcastic sense of humour.
That was brilliant - an outstanding job of figuring out the weaknesses of locking systems! Well done.
Thank you. 👍
Thank you. 👍
@@lockpickinglawyer Thank you. 👍
I love how he says "out in the wild" rather than something like "in real use". 3:13
You see, locks are Pokémon. Master lock, go!
Opponent used “shim.”
It’s very effective!
Never thought of how a rekeying lock works before. This was a really cool video!
Thanks. All of them actually work very differently, I suppose to avoid violating each other’s patents.
I would need some help of drawings or so, as I didn't get how this rekeying works. Also not sure why standard tension won't work here. I guess not my level yet ;-)
@@ziomalZparafii Looking over the video again it looks like the brass plates sit upon the teeth of the key (9:01) like a pin would. Those plates have slots in their spines that fit lock like a puzzle piece into the rekeying sliders (8:26). Those sliders hold the height for each bit on the key, and they only move when you are re-keying as they are otherwise locked to "imprint" the key. The reason you can't use only a tension bar to turn the core is the piece that prevents you from re-keying to a key with no bitting (7:18). If there is no key depressing that piece at the back, it will stick out and stop the core from turning. I am no expert, and sadly I have not practiced lockpicking for a while but that is what it looks like is happening to me.
@@DrumDudeMatt thank you for detailed answer, I'll have another look with those information.
It's really too bad that companies that specialize in making locks don't do the best they can. This one is proof that Master can do far, far better than it almost always does.
if any lock company would just use the reverse sidebar lock design, without the rekey option then it should be extremely hard to pick that lock, no binding, no picking. provided its not made of cheap metal or plastic!
Agreed. Interestingly, there are quite a few of these made in China for the Chinese domestic market.
You can accomplish that by grinding the dovetail off the locking bar. Maybe better suited for their dead bolts where you're not destroying the lock to get to the cylinder core.
So far I noticed MasterLock always leaves 1 flaw in their locks. It' a different flaw across the range but there's always 1. Part of me thinks it's intentional in case you need to call a locksmith.
He said it's also vulnerable to shimmying and rapping
@@shragamildiner8472Yep, but not raking, combing or normal SPP .
You're going full lock nerd? I'm not even blinking over here! This is good information!
A Masterlock video longer than 2 minutes? How in the fu-
Oh, it's all explanation, he picked it in under a minute
Please go full lock nerd again.
Oh yes please, I found it extremely se... er....I mean intellectual....
👍
Yes please do! You're really good at explaining, and those mechanisms and their quirks really interesting 🤓👍
I'm not a lock picker, but I do re-key all kinds of locks. I received my first lock picking kit a few days ago from Amazon. After watching the way you finesse these locks open. I was able to pick the acrylic lock (taped up of course) within 4.5 minutes. To my surprise I got even faster on each attempt. It's like using the tip of the pick as an extension of you fingers. After that I picked 2 master locks, and my house lock. Thanks for sharing your expertise! :-)
It's such a pleasure to watch professionals at work, whatever the work might be. Well done
Thanks.
You may have been a bit too general. I for one would draw the line at watching a proctologist at work! 👈
"It's nearly impossible to pick this lock"
30 seconds later:
"And we got it opened"
The longest master lock video ever. Well done master lock, now you have made a lock 👍
It’s like freaky Friday. Master lock is usually pretty good at lock bodies and Bad at cores.
@@lockpickinglawyer Seems like they did pretty aight all-around this time, no? Other than the ability to bypass the side-bars.
@@Derpy-qg9hn He did say the usual flaws of Masterlocks like shimming are still present, he just chose to ignore them. It's better sure, but not what I would call a decent lock.
They also managed to make one of the most pick resistant core structures on this channel pickable in 30 seconds or less.
@@ghostderazgriz Agreed. I'd add for context (mostly due to other commenters' remarks here) that 'pickable' is really dependent on skill set; I think the 10k hours to mastery rule applies here, this isn't an easy task especially with sidebar locks, I can't manage them (yet) despite having the proper tools (seen here in LPL's video and the Kwikset ones) and a fair bit of practice. It takes more than a little practice to open the most common standard, non re-keyable locks via single-pin picking, i.e. not raking or bypassing... which is why I go in the exact reverse order of that when trying to open a lock I'm new to.
Which is why it is fun....
@@jaytea3299 True. It would take someone lots of practice to reach LPL's level and pick this in a similar time frame.
You sir amaze and scare me, all this hype of how hard this is to pick and then done in 57 seconds.
I have learnt 2 things from the lpl. 1. Master lock should rename themselves amateur lock.
2. I may as well not bother with a lock.
I am addicted to your channel, and recently started watching Bosnian Bill because of you. You all are great!
Every time you dump out locks and all the tiny pins and springs my anxiety ramps up thinking I’d never be able to get that back together
When I watch older videos of him putting words like "pick resistant" and "master lock" in the same sentence, I always check the date of upload to see if it's the 1st of April...
I can pick some locks. I don’t mean to toot my own horn here but I’m an absolute MASTER at the clear one so I’m basically a professional. Lol. Honestly I can pick simple pad locks. That’s about all I’ve tried but this dude.... this dudes on a whole other level. This guys is a legitimate wizard when it comes to locks. Fascinating to watch how fast he’s able to pick them open. Love the videos my guy. Keep em up. Keep blowin my mind 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I've definitely learned a lot about lock picking, but I think its the voice that keeps me churning through lock picking videos.
He is blessed, because his voice goes well with the content. There is many a UA-camr who have no business narrating their videos.
These longer LPL videos remind me of Forgotten Weapons videos, the ones where Ian will point to some tiny metal nub and be like "see what this is doing there? That's what causes this to do this" and me just sitting there completely lost.
I have never had any interest in the anatomy of locks, yet here I am watching these videos for 3 hours. Kudos sir
LPL -- are you familiar with the similar, but "heavier duty" Master Magnum M532XKADLH (M532) re-keyable version that does have a dual ball bearing locking mechanism, hex boron carbide shackle, and typical bottom plate core retention thus making the core easily removable when unlocked. I believe this is the same core -- Not sure this model is available anymore (I picked up two at local Home Depot several years ago)
I’m very familiar with it. Been trying to find one for a couple months! It is the same core. And I would like to see if the same vulnerability is present in this lock.
Well since I got 2 each, I'll send you one -- Ken
Here are example model numbers for door hardware TPCR103/115 Tulip Knob, CACR103/115 Modified Ball Knob
Thank you, I’ll email you. 👍
LockPickingLawyer I have not been able to find them in Canada
1:44 the main reason why i watch and love your videos is because i love locks and the world of companies and thieves, im hoping once i get further into highschool i can even learn locksmithing to explore that "world"
Excellent use of research to turn a nearly "pick-proof" lock into a 30 second pick to open. Great video and explanation, LPL. Thanks. 😁👍
I just bought a cheap pick set. I never picked a week ago. You make this seem like the most interesting hobby in the world! I don’t know what I’m doing with my life.
this man's lockpicking experiences could be made into a lockpicking RPG
This is a brilliant fucking idea
@@AnaseSkyrider it has been 10 months, why now?
@@therealpuzzlecube3123 ?
@@AnaseSkyrider the trolling begins
@@therealpuzzlecube3123 hi there. how are you doing?
3:02 - So, all you need is a battery operated cutting wheel and you can grind off the rivets? Then again, if that were the concern, you would just take the battery operated cutting wheel and just cut off the lock. So, physical destruction of the lock is not really the point here, I guess. At this point, the purpose of the lock is to make it difficult to breech it without it being obvious that it has been compromised.
Wow initially I actually thought that core would've given you a little more trouble. It seems to be a nice core executed poorly by Masterlock, notwithstanding the other vulnerabilities you pointed out early in the video. Great info and great exploitation of Masterlock's oversight of that core. How much harder would that core have been to pick if that side bar exploit was not there? Do those slider pins make it any more difficult as opposed to regular pin sets? Thank you for all the time you spend educating us...
Had I not been able to tension the sidebar I don’t think I would have been able to open it by picking.
YOU ARE SO LOGICAL & STRAIGHT-FORWARD !!! MOST APPRECIATED !!😜👍👊😎
Considering there are currently about 1,200+ videos all about picking locks, im fairly certain it's safe to say that we could listen to you go lock nerd all day.
"Out in the wild" 😂 that's the best definition of any lock anywhere other than in a package or a vise! Thank you for sharing.
I think its interesting that Master Lock is using its own history of crappiness to enhance security.
If I were just given this lock and not told what it was, it would probably take me a long time to figure out it wasn't even a pin & tumbler lock.
I know when I first started picking locks I exclusively used rakes, and on Master Locks they worked really well. I'm wondering if the tolerances on this lock are poor enough that it couldn't just be raked open in a couple minutes. You might not even have to know about that button if its placed where youd be bumping it all the time.
Raking would be very difficult, though I will not say impossible. Recall that the General Motors reverse side bar locks sometimes were defeated with Auto jigglers.
@@lockpickinglawyer - I’m new here . What’s an auto jiggler?
This video was beautiful in its breakdown of the internal components as well as execution of the pick. Thank you
It's like Master is playing a game called "let's make a lock that ALMOST works well"!! 8^/
Ever though I really don't care (or "didn't care") about locks, your videos are extremely interesting. This is quite an accomplishment :)
Do lock makers reach out to you for advice?
Why would they? There are many people who are much more skilled then him. He is not even considered close to top in the lock picking world.
@@infesting he is pretty good though for this being a hobby for him.. I think credit should be given where credit is due.
@@infesting please elaborate
@@Happy_Hobo sorry, only meant to understand why you thought that. What is the best channel?
@@Happy_Hobo who?!
"Im going full lock nerd, so im probably losing some of you" ive been watching for 4 years. Your nerding out is what im here for
Me: See's neighbor put this lock on shed door. I proceed to pick the lock, re-key, and walk away.
You truly are a master of lockpicking. Id say the best in the world. Your knowledge of how to manipulate every single lock the comes in your path is insane. Keep it up man
Your audio LPL, i must say is some of the best quality on youtube
The phrase "Pick Proof" and "Master lock" in the same sentence? Inconceivable!
This core is a fantastic piece of technique apart from the flaw.
The evolution of locks...cars, planes, trains and it's obvious everything is Evolving in some way or forum. Funny how humanity can make that distinction/observation!
Thanks Lock Picking Lawyer!
I've found chinese locks that just use a spring at the end of the keyway to open the lock, so all you have to do is stick anything straight into the lock and they just pop right open. At least Master Lock has THEM beat.
After he said he chiseled off the rivets, it was all a blur.
It makes you wonder why Master makes so many locks with excellent features but they always have flaws. They have the potential to make an awesome product but simply choose not to. They make locks with ball bearing lugs but they're easy to pick. They make a lock that's difficult to pick but they use shimable lugs....just doesn't make sense.
Love seeing the longer videos so you can get ad revenue and earn a bit of money on the side
I like the motto "touch under fire". If your house is burning and you absolutely need your Master lock
4:16 That damn pun though...
I just looked for something to bore me to sleep, but that search got you a new subscriber, nice videos dude
Man these lock makers must hate you lol
They ain't worried about it we still going to buy the locks
Hell, I ain’t😂
I sold a 1947 GMC to a neighbor, but the key had been lost, and he was not happy at all. For the pittance he paid for a mostly rust free truck (It had a camper on it and the straight box front panel was rusted, but it's the easiest part on the truck to make), I should have told him to take a flying leap off Grand Falls. It took me half a day, but I got the door lock impressioned & used that key, and a big sewing needle to yank the ignition lock. GM did not change over from the 1930s locks until quite a while after WWII. Hot wiring was so easy, but getting into the truck was NOT! You had to open a wing window, then use a 6 or 7 foot long stick of wood to flip up the door handle to unlock the truck. When you pushed down on the interior door handle and it clicked down about 12 degrees the door was locked, none of those little pull sticks knobs by the windows. If you didn't have wing windows, you were kinda screwed, and some models didn't have them. The passenger door was the only door with a keyhole too. FOR SAFETY NO UNLOCKING THE TRUCK FROM THE STREET SIDE! Weird, as they didn't have seat belts back then.
"one key part of this lock"
this man needs to design a lock based on all the different pros and cons hes seen in the thousands of locks he's seen
1:43 despite my best intentions, I just went Full Lock Nerd, too!
The motto of this episode is "A lock in a vice is worth two in the hand"
"Pick with a twist". Ought to be a drink!!! Fantabulous...
😂
Spent more time explaining and teach than it took to pick it, love the history lesson
I've had this lock for over year with no luck, I assumed it was similar to Kwikset Smartkey. I never suspected a reverse sidebar.
Gnome Star I found no luck with this either so don’t feel too bad. This lock is shimmable so there’s that but that’s no fun.
Don’t feel bad. Without knowing what’s inside, you didn’t stand a chance. That said, it could not have been good for your ego.😋
Much of what you said went WAY over my head...still, extremely interesting, and an insightful and informative explanation of the mechanism.
Tried to find this lock #18 finally called master lock and they said they had no master lock #18 where do I go from there. If you bought it from amazon what model no. did you order. Thanks
Still wishing UA-cam would let me “love” one video per week. That was awesome
just you guys know, this lock can be opened with two shims. I'm sure lpl knows that since he mentioned ball bearings at the end, but I didn't hear him actually say that shims would work in the video.
0:17
And Master Lock ought to have countersunk the rivets! Good video.
I know of two, and there are probably more, channels that show the problems with Master locks. Does the company ever redesign to defeat known tactics, or do they rely on "security by ignorance" and hope that most would-be thieves don't learn those tactics?
For some manufacturers, the universal solution to everything is expressible in one word: MARKETING.
Jim Fortune It seems Master Lock has NO INTEREST in ever fixing flaws, in their ... designs.
@R.P. Rosen Presumably at some point their products' security deficits will actually begin to affect their bottom line in a way they can no longer ignore. There are after all things you can't "market your way out of." Consumers have a way of becoming educated ... eventually.
If they are a company that actually wants to survive, then I would expect to see them ultimately engage in a major push to actually deal with the problems. Which fact naturally would be trumpeted far and wide by their marketing wonks...
Consumer ignorance is a tough problem to address, and it stands at the heart of this issue.
Well, you have a podium to express any educational issues you think the consumer should be aware of. Of course, being a lawyer, you might not want to go too far. We understand that professionals have some duty to the public, but they also have some duty to protect themselves from litigious corporations.
8:14 that's really beautiful.
Thank you Lock Picking Lawyer.
Hey LPL. Your vids aren’t coming as often as usual. I hope your lawyering isn’t interfering with your work.
This dude has an audiobook fall asleep to voice. I could listen to him narrate pretty much anything and I’d watch it
Hopefully Masterlock actually fix this issue so that they have a decent padlock.
BlackDolphin90 Well, maybe if they fix the issues to the laminated padlocks in general. Remember, the cylinder is only 1 of the several flaws. Master won't fix the issues as with the design of the laminated locks wouldn't permit the necessary upgrades. It's still a cool design, but there other weaknesses make it about worthless.
I've taken a Master Lock off a gate in less than a minute with a stud puller. Just wrenched the rivets away, then took the cylinder out. They need to stop making laminated locks...
I wouldn’t hold my breath. Consumer ignorance is the heart of the problem. Outside of the security community, the company enjoys a great reputation. Stunning!
LockPickingLawyer Master.....it stands for master of deception
I remember the School chem lab had these types of locks to lock their gas shutoff valves, which was conveniently right by my desk which was hidden from the teacher by said desk. On days when we had a substitute, I would set my stopwatch and spend the majority of the class speed lockpicking
lol, if they just spent the pennies on the metal to cover the side thing, the lock would have been really good.
“I’m going full lock nerd and probably losing you” - LPL immediately after finally giving me information I’ve been desperately seeking for months
Challenge: break open a lock, with another lock or pieces of another lock
I don't know why I can't stop watching this channel everyday 😂