Are $150 ebay headers worth it? 2nd gen toyota 4runner pickup 3vze 3.0
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2019
- Review of ebay headers and all the fitment issues for toyota 4runner/pickup with 3.0.
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Hey everyone i realize that i said cold start but i didnt remove my cold start. The resistor is for that sensor in the egr system. What i meant is that the egr helps when you start your vehicle in cold environment. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for watching.
Goodbye EGR , hello spark knock ... Been there , bad for the pistons . You may not hear it . thanks for posting! my 90 4x4 pu is coming up on 300'000 on my virgin 3.slow Exxon Valdez
@@321CatboxWA so ur saying keep the EGR?
EGR vents a cooler mixture in to the engine too, helps the 3.0 live longer. Those vacuum lines...lol
Awesome thanks for taking the time to throw the video up appreciate it
No problem guy
That’s awesome though cause I was able to go up hills in a full lower gear once I did the egr pair and all hardliners and such! Plus my oil isn’t super narly after only 3k miles on it! But the rest of those things are defiantly really issues! I have to do timing kit and gaskets so I’m gonna pull mine when I do this but people already think I did a 3.4 swap cause my 3slow ain’t slow no moe! Thanks for the info!
Haha best comment i have read. So glad I could help guy and good luck with the timing kit its pretty easy to do just have to remove a bunch of stuff
My 93 4Runner was getting 13.7 mpg before headers, with my CAT convertor and EGR already removed. I do mostly short trips and have a heavy foot. I will update MPG after a few full tanks. I know this is an older thread but people can still learn from others from this post in the future.
Heck yea keep me posted i never checked mine but have always been curious.
Any update?
@@5koolie464 My last tank full got 12.7 mpg. It was about 80 mile e-way and the rest short trips around town. I have a heavy foot. Now that it has more low end power and a raspy exhaust sound I drive it harder. The best MPG ever was 16mpg when I did a 60 mph run for 200 miles. It should be better now with headers if I did the same type test.
Nice for those girls thats a good mpg haha
I have driven my truck a couple months now and yes there is a large increase in low end power. It is well worth the hassle of putting headers on a 3VZE. It is much stronger when accelerating. The headers added a raspy sound using the same muffler I had before. The best $150 I have spent on the old 4Runner. My gas mileage is actually worse because I have my heavy foot in it more. EGR delete and cat converter delete plus headers helped the 3.0 slow now be a 3.0 go.
Heck yea guy not to mention not having to worry abouy your head gasket giving up because it got too hot.
@@southerngearz Definitely. Just put my second head gasket set on in 12,000 miles. I used a MLS head gasket this time carefully preparing the block and heads for the Multi Layer Steel gaskets. It requires a super smooth finish or almost polished to work well with a MLS gasket. Hopefully I wont have to put a third set of head gaskets on it.
@@supercharged2414 yea it sounds like you got it taken care of
Downside to these is if you ever have to change the clutch (if it’s manual) the headers sit so close that you have to take them out in order to drop the transmission
That 10 omm sensor trick is good
Thanks guy i found it on a forum cant remember which one though
Thanks for the pointers. If I were a younger man I would make the attempt. But I am much too old. Nonetheless, for those younger guys who are more adventuresome, you need to pointedly ask how much gain in either horsepower or torgue is acquired and whether the conversion to headers is worth the effort and money. Since many do not have access to wielding equipment... much less know how to weld, you are virtually stuck with using clamps or increase your costs by having someone (such as a muffler shop) make the changes. And by the way, my Toyota is a 1990 Motor home.
I have 90 motorhome doing heads right now . #5 and #6 cylinders burnt valves that stupid crossover exhaust isn't going back on . So either headers or delete and fab up my own . Love to drive this but hate working on it .but what other motorhome get 15 mpg
Dang sounds like a cool motorhome it will love some new headers if they fit
I just got mine installed and they also eliminate the catalytic convertor. If you bought a shorter muffler and a shorter convertor you might squeeze both in. I wrapped mine with titanium wrap and it is about an inch from my firewall. I just put head gaskets on mine so i had the intake plenum off. I doubt you could get the passenger side on without the PS pump or plenum removed. You could unbolt the plenum leaving most lines connected and move it towards the drivers side to make room to get the passenger side header on.
Yea you can fit the cat in there but like you said it will take a smaller muffler. I should have wrapped mine probably would have helped a lot with the heat. Yea I installed mine when I had my motor out however I could only put the passenger side on or the motor wouldnt have fit. Good deal you got it installed though dont need that crossover pipe causing more issues!
While you are at it you can adjust the timing to gain more power. Its not much power mind you but you can feel it somewhat.
@@southerngearz I did adjust the timing to 13 degrees. No spark knock with the EGR removed and the timing bumped up 3 degrees from 10 to 13. What really surprised me is how the headers changed the sound of the exhaust. I already had the cat convertor removed before I installed the headers which made it slightly louder than stock. Now it has a raspy sound when revving it or accelerating hard. It is quiet as before headers when at cruising speed. How did the sound change so much with the same muffler? Must be from the headers flowing so much better. That lousy crossover behind the engine must be more restrictive than I thought. I tried adjusting the timing up to 13 degrees before the headers and heard minor spark knock. The headers must flow way better to not hear spark knock now. I might go to 15 degrees.
got some cheap headers for my 91 and i live in SoCal melted 3 cables during the summer $280 worth tachometer cable/transmission shift cable/ and parking brake cable
Ouch! I have been keeping an eye on wires around them but i have melted a few looms so far. I got some heat blankets and cut them up so I could wrap them around wires and other things that dont seem to like heat
Can you make a video of it running and rev/drive please. Just got these today and a aluminum radiator wanna see how they sound. Thanks
I would love to however i sold the 4runner to help finish my ls swapped s10. Sorry guy but they sounded great as long as you keep your cats. I removed mine and the sound became hollow.
Great review. Can we get a video of what it sounds like?
Yes sir you sure can
How much HP did you gain after the installation in the rebuild did you have to bore the block ? Or clean and RR rings on original pistons? Just wondering for my own 3.0
I dont think I gained any hp but maybe 5hp. I went .20 over to clean up the damage the head gasket did with new pistons and rings. I went with the crank from the 3.0 car engine as well because it was hard finding a crank for the truck 3.0
Could be wrong but I don't think that's a cold start electrical connection. The 10k resister is for the EGR system and the 'temp sensor' for EGR is what that plug goes to I think. Mine is a '95 so maybe it's different?
You are right i said the wrong thing
@@southerngearz No worries, informative and helpful video! Cheers!
@@TheWeirdSide1 thanks guy
How did you block off the ports on the header for the egr? I deleted mine already and other than welding i cant tell how to block it
I placed a penny on the opening then put the cap on it and tightened down i also coated the pennys in copper rtv
Thanks for the video I’m also thinking to buy this headers.. did you notice any performance or mpg improvements?
Yea she breathes much better but i also increased my timing 3 degrees to help bring out more power.
Southern Gearz great to hear I’m going to be installing the headers and also a intake hopefully that help a little..
Yea that should help. i need to upgrade my intake as well but want one that brings in cool air. I will be posting a video in a couple days about increasing the timing.
One thing i wish i had done to mine is rub wd40 on the pipes before you heat them up the first time. It turns the metal a goldish color.
Southern Gearz thanks for the info I was thinking to wrap them to help controlling the heat..
Do the headers at least seal against the block ??
Yes sir
How much body lift did you end up running
Just an inch because i hate body lifts
Were did you get the 1 inch body lift
I made my own out of some pipe I think it was 2 in ridged pipe and the size that fit inside. I welded them and grinded them down. I then filled the remaining space with a wooden dowel then covered them in flex seal. I couldnt find any 1 inch kits
I drilled the hole for the bolt before flex seal
Would it be better to buy higher quality headers or do you think you'd still get these issues
Nah they have way better quality control but mine actually turned out fine once i bolted everything down.
@@southerngearz so buy high quality
@@coop_69 yea if you can afford it then definitely
@@coop_69 the only problem with the high quality ones is the god awful price. The last i looked it was $700ish but that was 2 years ago so the price could have changed.
I've been huntin for cheap headers for my 3vze but unfortunately these are sold out now :(
Check these out i believe these are in stock.
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Dang I had hope for these. No way.
They may have fixed all those issues
But maybe not
Are this california smog legal?
They are supposed to be able to hook up to the the emission system but mine wouldnt. They may have fixed that issue by now.
@@southerngearz Thanks for replying back. I actually just bought some long tube headers from Doug Thorley part #thy-505-c for a 3vze v6 it should fit 1988-1995 california Legal. I think I paid around $705 I couldn't find much information on them on youtube so I'm debating if to make a video review to help others. There's a few videos on the 22re headers from them on UA-cam but not for the v6 3.0
@@trd-kp6143 those should work nicely! Heck yea thats what got me making videos i just wanted to help someone wanting those headers because i couldnt find much at the time. I will subscribe if you do
@@southerngearz Thanks! Yeah I'm debating if to start a UA-cam channel for my Instagram projects too. You can check them out if you would like @rufinolara I'm also rebuilding my 3.0 and repainting my 1990 Toyota pickup.
So basically don't buy them.
Correct unless you want to go through all of that