Did original Irish people have dark skin? Did the sign "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" ever existed? Was Jonkonnu a West African tradition? Here comes my VLOG reaction to some comments to my documentary "IRELAND and JAMAICA" along with the tools and step by step instruction how I do my research before making posts on social media.
Well Miss Irena! I distinctly remember my grandmother telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school. Cleopatra was BLACK!" And she should know because she was there and they went to school together! They were on the swim team.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 How could Cleopatra be black if her both parents were Greek? Ptolemy dynasty in Egypt is Greek, not Egyptian. Cleopatra was Greek, not Egyptian. See the original money produced in Egypt during the times of Cleopatra - we know what she looked like. Search for "Cleopatra coins". Another famous Egyptian Queen - Nefertiti, was not Egyptian either, she was from Syria and was "Middle-Eastern" looking. So, if you want an Egyptian Queen who really had dark skin, choose ALL Kings and Queens from the Twenty-fifth Dynasty, who ruled Egypt from 744 to 656 BC. They were originally the people from the Kingdom of Kush, today modern day Sudan, but they were quite "Egyptianized". Just check XXV dynasty of Egypt and you'll find the real black Kings and Queens of Egypt! PS. I do get your point about "them going to school together" 😊 but the reality is - a lot of people really believe that Cleopatra was black.
Beautiful lady I appreciate your videos.. I give thanks for your effort, However not only was the original Irish Black, but Europe is named after an African Queen named Queen Europa a African Hamitic queen related to Jezebel. Try to understand, Africa colonised Europe LONGER then Europeans colonised Africa... As for the Goverment being a credible source 😂 sure.. The Word British comes from the Brute of Troy where we get the word Brutish, which Means THUGGERY and buggery u can watch them at football matches doing this today 😂 ofcourse we can trust THEM to tell the truth about african history.. Cant we ??????
This is why I watched and subsequently subscribed to your channel. I love how you do your research. I love the love you have for Jamaica. I admire your passion for what you do. Just keep 'em coming...Im ready and eager to watch and hear! And possibly learn something new.
That entire comment shows that you have no clue about historical material and instead is basing your opinion on the opinion of other people who have no clue either and has just invented fictitious arguments to support their lack of knowledge. As an historical researcher I can tell you none of what you have stated has occurred.
@@siobhanair2659 what am I to explain, don't you know what your comment said, then that is what I am replying to, to put it simply, no maps have been changed, yes people were removed but those people were Africans removed from Africa to the America as slaves, and Native Indigenous people displaced from their tribal lands as it was stolen and settled by the European newcomers. Civilizations have been destroyed but the historical documents are still available documenting these things, for historians to utilize. The facts are this, the Irish were European people. The historical reference to them as the Black Irish had nothing to do with their race, and every thing to do with how they were perceived as a people. They were not regarded. As an example you had Prince John of Gaunt, he was called the Black Prince, because of his heartlessness in battle, it was not because he was black in complexion.
@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105 I’ve not said Irish were black or white! I’ve made no statement support one claim or the other! It seems you have read my comment and assumed! Read my first comment again…
Thank Irina, this was really interesting and informative, this video did one thing for me … it made me challenge my own views and look at where I actually get all my original information from. I’m from the UK, i’m now thinking were all the pictures showing no Irish, No blacks, No dogs fake… iv seen loads looking at resources from the 50’s 60’s or was it just certain ones. I do believe this was true ( in discussion with older family members who lived and experienced it)but like you say research is key to ensure you are not just spreading inaccurate information to the next generation. Thank you for your work.
Watched and enjoyed your Irish documentary. Superb work as always. Can't even imagine how much work, research, writing and time goes into a piece of that quality. You produce higher quality stuff than do armies of television production companies for the likes of the BBC You're owed thanks as well as applause. Just a Jamaican aside: if God is not, Creation is not. And if Creation is not neither are facts, opinions, thoughts, reasoning, truths, falsehoods, conclusions, fallacy, soundness... all are mere material coincides, of no distinction. Gender - Latin: Genus - Old French: Genre - brings human beings into the world, there is no, (despite de Beauvoir et. al. "once upon a time" alternative. There are different cultural and personal expressions of gender of course, but without it, there would be no one to express anything.
Where did you get the information from that there was a creation? This also implies that there must have been a creator. You stated as fact something you cannot prove to invite the necessity of your belief. Poor reasoning.
@@MrDonking1967 Did I say there was a creation? I said if God is not, Creation is not. If Creation is not there are no truths or falsehoods, there are simply material coincidences. Perhaps you should look to the poverty of your comprehension, before the poverty of anyone's reasonimg.
@@andrewjohnson8232 No sir. I am very correct in my assessment of what you wrote. In fact you just repeated it. Saying if God is not creation is not has the 100% dependency on both things. Meaning since we accept that existence is real hence the other must be. You can replace any part of your premise and your conclusion with anything and the result would be the same. If you want to play mysterious religious word games go ahead. Your conversation is closer to a deepity than sound logic. Again I ask...where is your source that there ever was a creation. You first must establish this posit before you move on to any conclusion derived from your position. No, I'm not very smart but I am smarter than some. Don't engage in word gymnastics just the facts please.
@@MrDonking1967 Dear friend, "If" is the introduction of a conditional clause: "If it is sunny at the weekend we can go to the beach". "IF there is no such thing as the sea, there is no such thing as a beach". "IF there is no such thing as the Sun, there is no such thing as a sunny day". That is how conditionals work. If A then B. The necessary relationship between two propositions. Something I don't need to repeat to you as you've already stated that Creation necessarily implies Creator. If reality is not Creation, there are no such things as truth and falsehood. I never claimed the world is Creation, I said that talking about truths and falsehoods necessarily implies the world is Creation. Now if you're challenging my personal acceptance of Creation as axiomatic, I refer you again to the same point, i.e. that every claim I make about reality necessarily implies Creation. As necessarily as the number 1 implies 1+1=2. You know otherwise? I'll be happy to hear.
@@andrewjohnson8232 1 +1=2 is true in base 10 maths. You chose to use a conditional clause to then establish all that you reason for. That's unfortunate and wrong. Not my fault. That's as good as saying if pigs could fly would they then be a bird. It's idiotic or sneaking. This whole thing about truth and falsehood being only as a result is also idiotic. There's no assessment of either that requires a creator. If so you would have to demonstrate this. You also are not in a position to determine coincidence or intentional events. Your interpretations I'm sure is in line with your conditional placeholder. We all have the same 5 senses we use to recieve, analyze then determine reality from fiction. Your injection of a if is unnecessary to what's real. It only serves the purpose to make the rest of your statement. Anyways. IF you believe in this creator you have created then this is a waste of time. Mingled mangled word soup is to follow and that's a waste of time. Go, be good. Always.
Irie, love your documentaries, but I am of the opinion that if the powers that be did not try to hide historical facts from the general public, by leaving facts out of history books, and even in modern day watering down historical facts being taught in schools there would be no reason for all these guessing and spelling around truth. Keep up the good work.
What they are also doing now is to raise the prices of books to exorbitant amounts, some upwards of Five thousand dollars. Why?! Because they don't want us to know the truth. Forget about the books that are written in the 19 hundreds , they have been whitewashed .
Re Jankunu. You might try looking at the Garafuna people living all along the Caribbean coast of South America. I'm particular Belize and Honduras. Look at the form and tell me that's not Jankunu related. I've also travelled through Africa and seen various iterations of pitchypatchy clearly looking like Jankunu roots.
There were no Garifuna people moved to Jamaica. Hence the influences for Jonkunnu could not come from them. And please remember we had our indigenous people, and they did practice a form of Jonkunnu, present day Jamaican Jonkunnu has multiple sources of influence, but not from the Garifuna.
That's true, but I don't read his comment to say that the direction of influence was from the Garifuna to Jamaica. There is obvious African ancestry in the Garifuna, either from some island or other in the Caribbean or directly from West Africa.@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105
@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105 I didn't say there was Garafuna in Jamaica, I was implying that looking at the forms you can see the African roots and having travelled through Africa I've seen that root.
@@enquiryb8261 not every single thing is only influenced by Africa, as shocking as that maybe to swallow. Our Johnunnu have some elements of African influences, however no matter how you have travelled all over Africa, the majority of Jamaican African bloodlines spring from the Yoruba, the Akan, Igbo, Ewe and to a lesser extent the Mali and the Bantu peoples, with primary influences being the Yoruba and the Akan. Now there was Akan masquerading known to have existed, but the indigenous Jamaican Taino too had masquerading elements and so did the Irish. Jamaica is a melting pot and melting pots tend to combine influences to create something new and special all the time.
@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105 Within a few lines of the comment section it's not easy to express everything you want to get across, and sometimes nuances are lost. Likewise neither is it easy to discern the entirety of someone else who's commenting. So it's futile to try and judgmentally paint someone as you think they are. Now, with reference to our heritage, lineage and ancestry, everyday there are new discoveries which make old, hard-held narratives obsolete, or at least make us rethink them. The narrative that says in the Caribbean we are all essentially West African could be one of them. I often wonder why we can't, as well as DNA tests (which call me para if you want to, but mi fraid fah like puss), also have culinary DNA, or linguistic DNA, or musical DNA. We might find out a lot more about our ancient roots. For example one word we use in Jamaica for eating is "Nyam". In West Africa there is a festival of eating called "Nyam" (it's decades since I came across it and I can't quite remember where exactly it was). But then all over Southern Africa variations of that word such as "Nyama", means meat. You find it in South Africa, Uganda, Botswana, Zimbabwe, to name just a few. How has that word travelled and re-shaped? These are the kind of things that interest me. And positivity also interests me. We are more than we think! Walk good
Irina, there were so many fascinating insights to this Video...and I just kept nodding my head "yep, yep" to the "people behaviors" you mentioned (though you didn't use that word). The most fascinating one for me is: People will do "research" to find "views" to support what they believe, and FACTS be damned... :) :) . This is SO TRUE, especially on Social Media when it comes to Politics and Social Issues. As for the Religion aspect, you hit that out of the Ballpark: The vast majority of us learn about Religion from our Parents by them (usually a Mother or Grandmother in Jamaica) dragging us to Church every Saturday or Sunday. And that "link" is so strong, many of us have a difficult time looking beyond what they taught us (someone else pointed to this in one of the comments). Even when we become more "educated" about Religion (and the various forms of it), many of us "stick to what we were taught". I know this video was about "How You Do Proper Research"; but the content that delves into Human Behavior was Fascinating Stuff. Thanks again for doing what you do.
I'm sure you meant well but this video is full of contradictions even though your point was to prove otherwise. Truth basically is ones belief and interpretation. While Europeans control the narrative where historical facts are concerned, and history is told from a Europe centric perspective, why would they tell factual history of the oppressed people that would humanize them? 9:14
@@jlau979 do you have to travel to other places to learn from someone no have I doing researcher’s no that’s why I listen and learn and pick sense from nonsense like you go to school teachers teach and you listen and learn I might travel to 5 country and she travels to let say 10 she can teach me something about those countries that I don’t go to
@@douglasjoseph2097 I suggest you invest in some books written in the 18 hundreds and earlier and read for yourself. They have been raising the prices on books some upwards of five thousand dollars because they realize blacks are reading them. What are they hiding? The days of letting white tell teach us history are over. This is the information age and truth are being revealed.
Most people are married to their ideas, so they become very dogmatic in their beliefs. There's no amount of evidence, or the lack thereof, that will change what they think they already know. I approach learning with a healthy dose of flexibility because, my opinions and beliefs must be grounded in evidence, wherever they lead me. I have no problem changing my mind to suite the facts, some folks prefer to change the facts to suite their opinions. Another great piece of journalistic work Irena, keep them coming.
Dear Irie ..Love your videos I came to England in 1956 from Jamaica age 9,and remember seeing "no Irish no black,no dogs" signs in windows in Notting Hill... please keep educating us !!
How can anyone prove that your comment in not just total fabrication? This is one of the points about the acquirement of true knowledge: When someone states a claim, how can it be proven, or disproven: That's the question.
You are such a clever lady! Delighted you have been able to up roots, move to Jamaica and still create a life. Your husband is a lucky man and smart to have decided to move together with you and maintain your family unit!.....regarding the sign....my irish uncle would leave his 20 something irish wife at the gate of each english bedsit he appriached...because he didn't want her to face the door being shut in her face...continually...when they heard his Irish accent
Totally agree, I can even say I might be guilty of this in some instances. Still, the internet makes it easy for people to spread their childhood memories online. Most never considered that what they were learning was not true. I think your channel will help many to look deeper into things they have learned.
With your statement, you just proved that black people was un Ireland centuries ago.Just maybe the Irish got jonkanoo from the people they saw when they first arrived. Those could be the same People that erected Stonehenge on Salisbury Plains!
Why would you rebut book and books citing the ancient Irish were swarthy, prior to the revolution in the UK, when the same UK shipping records, from government during the revolution, described many Irish, German, French, Italians, and other Europeans as swarthy, black, colored, their trade, that were Moors, etc, shipped off to the Caribbean, plus many other books written by Europeans who visited Jamaica during the 1600 or 1700, and observed the blacks, coloreds, swarthy Europeans deported to Jamaica how they were living, their religion practices, etc. You cannot selectively apply your logic by insufficient insight, or logical gymnastics
@@anthonycoote9546 For information from a credible source named Harvard University, look up the book series called “Image of the black in western art” you will see that “blacks” ruled Europe for thousands of years, and were in fact, banished as slaves to the americas and Caribbean and worldwide after our fall. FACTS
Selective colonial history telling, she even missed out that Ireland has places named after black people. Dun Na Gall, “Fort of the Dark Skinned” is the meaning of the name of Donegal Places that end in “Gall” usually mean settlements of dark-skinned. She didnt mention that galic has semitic kemet roots or the names of the tribes that lived in Ireland under the Moors. Sad really 😢
I just discovered your channel and watched Ireland and Jamaica and then this one. All I can say is simply brilliant , enlightening and refreshing just like a Jamaican rum Baileys Guinness cocktail stirred with pink giraffe decorated with a green swan. Did you know we don’t have Wednesdays in Ireland ? It’s true my friends brothers uncle was a leprechaun with one leg who magically waved his wooden leg and wished it away
❤ your video Irina , The Good Book (Bible) says " In the beginning was the word, where should we find the end of our differences,? obviously in the word itself ! Because the word we believe will become our thoughts which some of us are in capable of managing properly both conscious and subconscious.
🇯🇲Irene, knowingly ignoring the rightful Irina for the preferential. Almost all of us are misinformed and disinformed starting from home by our first teachers, our parents. I found this to be true of religion and politics since becoming a young adult. Most of those teachings, especially religion/beliefs are deeply ingrained and very difficult to shed. A black moth/bat flying in and around the house is a sign of looming death, I’ve long dispelled. However, to abandon most precepts, acknowledging we’ve lived all our lives on religious falsehoods and impractical realities is almost like an exile from our parents. Most would rather be shackled by their inner conflicts than be physically divorced from loved ones. The centuries long lie that Europe is bigger than Africa was a quick drop like steaming potato.
there was 100% signs stating, No Irish, No Blk and No Dogs., our flat was burned down by NF's in the late 70's..... Irie there was serious physical Racism in the UK in the 60's and 70's towards Black people by all sorts including the teddy bear boys. My grandparents were affected badly by being spat on but my parents era were more radical and started fighting back as soon as the travelled into the UK hence various riots. But that didn't stop murders and oppressions of black people. Today Racism is still here, it's now quietly operating throughout institutions... nb. You Always Feel You Know It ALL... You're privileged (whether you like it or not) and sometimes it show's effortlessly through the manner you speak which can come across ignorant at times..... ie you saying that people. will believe in all sorts of nonsense..... Who Are You to speak of peoples experiences as NONSENSE!!!
U r absolutely an inspiration. I agree with U, even more so, I believe that every adult should study at least intro philosophy. I hated the darn thing when I was forced to do it, but it turned out to be the most interesting thing to make one understand truth and what it is. Madan Sarup is a good start, otherwise one can easily get lost into this category of study. It is not easy, but it is absolutely amazing in guiding one's way of understanding. Thank U for these excellent videos.
A lot of people doesn’t know they have learn how to learn and this is where higher education comes in so I hope these same people watch this follow up, thank you @jamaicawithirie.❤
Hi Irina, born in Jamaica but have lived longer in the US. I have been delighted by your videos, I must say, well done. They are professional level work so thank you. This is my first response to anything on this type of platform. But philosophy and critical thinking do get me fired up and that's what this particular episode did to me. So thank you. As you hinted, we are and will have failed our generation if we do not inspire them to a love of Western Philosophy and critical thinking. I pray one of these days we'll be able to meet for discussion.
Irina me Irie, this is education at its highest standards. I am a JamIcan living in the US, and believe me, you have taught me so much about my country that I have no idea existed, much less written......as a Ukrainian living in Jamaica I learned so much from you about Jamaican history, and I cNt thank you enough. Many years ago, there used to be a series in the Jamaican Gleaner named Pieces of the Past with historical facts about the island, which I used to follow before it was stopped. ❤ your work, and thank you.
👍👌 Well said Irina 👏 I'm always and 100% with you all the way, thanks for clarifying things for those people who have different opinions from yours, you are certainly smart and such a lovely person inside and outside. 💕
10:18 Irina. I want to say something about "haters" and competitors. It's important to understand a law of fellowship at work here. What's vitally important is the attention and participation from all. They do enrich the experience of what you are delivering. Eliminating "haters", in my opinion, is not a good thing to do. Allow them the room to express themselves and see how you can better understand them in order that you can deliver a greater experience from what they (the "haters") provide to you. Avoid the echo chamber. There are treasures to unearth from them. I think Robert Greene stated a law of power around this.
I made it to Irie’s video!!! 😃😂😂😂🎊🎊🎉🎉🎉 Sorry my comment wasn’t clear to you. Meant to say there was DEFINITELY discrimination and I still stand by my comment that those signs did indeed exist. I wish I could share the video documentaries that I’ve seen. We agree to disagree. All love!
@@100jenaboo I never said in Jamaica, The signs were hung in the windows, racist English people back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s when there was a mass migration of West Indians to the UK.
I was actually trying to find these documentaries, but couldn't find any, though I'm sure they were, as they are mentioned in various newspapers, but without the names/titles. Please let me know if you find a relative or maybe a friend who was an adult in 1980s and would remember some documentaries mentioning this sign? We need either an approximate name of the documentary or more details what it was about or who was featured there.
AN E" ACT LISTAND DESCRI PTION of 150 Rebel Prisoners ship ’d at Liver pool out board the Veteran-John Ricky, master- for the Leeward Islands ; which were taken near Antigua , the 28th June last , by the Diamond Privateer-Paul Marsale , commander-and carried into Martinico, the 30th June 1747 The list is taken from three different gaols-Lincoln, York, and Lancaster- and it is likely that the first 46 prisoners whose names are all alphabetically arranged would come from Lincoln ; the other names from York and Lancaster being inserted without any regard to sequence. Of the 135 men , 18 hailed from Perthshire, 20 from Inverness, 25 from Aberdeen, 19 from England, and 1 from Ireland. As to the trades represented, 55 were labourers, 11 servants, 20 weavers, 4 herdsmen, 2 gentlemen, viz. ‘ NO. 105 , John M‘Kenzie, 22 , Ross- shire, well made, genteel, ’ and NO. 1 1 1 , John Ostler, 20, Lincolns, brown hair, genteel. ’ There was an Edinburgh writer George Hume, age 30 , marked as a Black man , ’ whose colour would, no doubt, suit the West Indies. Jacobite Gleanings From State Manuscripts: Short Sketches of Jacobites The Transportations in 1745 Book by J. MacBeth Forbes
@@JAMAICAWITHIRIE Everyone should read this list of names, you will all see many family names in Jamaica today and Caribbean, and.. you will also see their complexion listed in the remarks. Mostly black and Brown complexion people, some fair and pale complexions.
@@jlau979 i didnt miss that. These people are not Irish. Dig deeper and you will see. Check the relationship between Ireland and Spain. Dr. Healy in my documentary mentioned that too.
Irina, I loved your videos from the very first time I watch & I must say you've never disappointed me😘 Keep up your great work in educating those who are willing to be educated!!😊 We love you & I personally have know you do your research properly & your love & interest for Jamaica is overwhelming❤❤❤ for me😘👏🏾 thank you😘
She literally dismiss important people of our history like Oliver Cromwell that shape Jamaica, other Caribbean countries and even some parts of America.
"One surviving English register of emigration contains the names of approximately 10,000 servants who sailed from Bristol to America between 1654 and 1678. Roughly half of these emigrants went to Virginia. The rest found their way to the West Indies--mainly the island of Barbados which was such favored during the 1650s, and the beautiful little island of Nevis which was preferred in the early 1660s. Scarcely any chose to make New England their home. The main stream flowed from the south and west of England to the Caribbean and the Chesapeake." (Fischer, Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways In America, 1989, pp. 227-228).
Irina, thanks for this rather heady and as always informative video. I agree with you about the lack of philosophical teaching, thought and inquisitiveness in these modern times. I found Philosophy very interesting and thought provoking when I was in college. It's the one class that helped me develop better questioning and reasoning abilities. I agree with you that, It's wise to consider the source when we come across information and it's difficult if not impossible to prove a negative. I also saw those giraffes standing next to you.🤣🤣🤣❤
Thank you, Irina, for your documentary. With regard to the discriminating signs, I actually witnessed those signs in the windows of many English homes as a young Jamaican immigrant girl in the 60s living in London, UK, with my parents in our own home. On my own block/road we would see signs in windows advertising a room for rent that would say "no Coloreds, Irish or dogs." Some would also say "no coloreds or Irish need apply" or "no coloreds need apply". The signs which said blacks were less, as back then coloreds were commonly used, and blacks came along a bit later on with the black power movement. Those discriminating signs also disappeared in the late 60s when the Color Bar Law came into force in the U.K. which made them illegal.
Irina. Does this commenter’s personal experience increase the validity of the existence of the? I’m not trying to create controversy, but I want to understand whether this can be accepted. I ask because I would normally accept that person testimonial as fact if it comes from a person that I trust and I am willing to conditionally accept it as truth from person I don’t know. Please help☺️
Irena, if I were you, I wouldn't try to explain how I do my research to those people, since most of what you're saying is WAY over their heads. Moreover, you're using terms and phrases that have no meaning to them, such as: "epistemology, metaphysics and logic". This is because Jamaicans in Jamaica, are mostly illiterate or semi-illiterate, even the so-called "educated" ones. Therefore, I can bet that most of the people who are responding intelligently and favorably to you on this page don't even live in Jamaica but are in fact living abroad - where they're more exposed to and are familiar with the knowledge that you are trying to impart.
Very interesting commentary. Let me give you an experience I had with my trainer. My trainer is black, which I thought he was African American, he told me he was born in Ireland. I thought that maybe his father was an American military man in Ireland. His response was that his family and black peoples had thousands of years of history in Ireland and that their people were the original people of Ireland
I wonder if that's why they were/are seen as lower whites and used as servants. Remember Italians/Sicilians, North Africans, etc. were once not considered white because it was known/thought that they had/have African ancestry ... in that black genes. In early America, most of these groups were seen as lower class whites or non-whites and treated as such.
Philosopher Bertrand Russell said, “Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken.” I watched the full video and at no time did you tell us why the signs were fake. We now know that these signs have been around since the 1800s. You ignored the eyewitnesses' claims as if our Jamaican Christian grandparents would lie about such things. We know that West Indians were welcomed in the UK during WWII, but the warm welcome turned to resentment after the war ended. The economic condition was terrible, with too many people chasing too few jobs, so those signs were likely posted. Anyway, in 2002, a history professor in the US claimed that the signs were - not his exact words, but mine - figments of the Irish’s imagination. In 2015, an eighth-grade girl named Rebecca Fried debunked his claim (google the Smithsonian article “Teen Schools Professor on “No Irish Need Apply” Signs”).
@swwiriusj4230, she actually DID...not only in this Video, but in others where she has mentioned it before. She said she could NOT FIND EVIDENCE that it was posted all around the UK, based on the "Philosophical" approach to Research, as she outlined. She has requested that people SHARE Documentaries and other "Credible Sources" to PROVE it was REAL (in regards to being posted all around the UK....NOT that the sign itself wasn't real). So far, I haven't seen any responses to that request. It's not that she is ignoring the "Word of Mouth" comments; in fact, she addressed this also. She also admitted that it is possible that the Sign did exist around the UK; but so far, she has not found the "Evidence"....and that was her Point by using the "Giraffe" example.
All you have to do is disprove the claims made. Anything less then that is disingenuous. You are very very late to this subject matter. UA-cam researchers such as Kurimeo Ahau, KMZ History & Stright up to name but a few have all extensively researched this subject for years. They only use primary source scholarly books and plenty of them. The black Irish are a very well documented fact. Kurimeo Ahau also does interviews so you could reach out to him personally 💜
A person I would actually like to interview is the author of the channel Home Team History - I'm a fan and subscriber, check him out: www.youtube.com/@hometeamhistory806
I am watching this video and wondering who this video is addressed to and why? It can't be to ensure that your followers know you do extensive research; we already do. It can't be to respond to ignorant people; even though it may give you a little pleasure, it's not going to change their mind. It must be for the same one student that my teachers used to say they were trying to reach. I enjoy how my brain learns from every one of your videos. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing this feedback! Well, at some point my audience asked to share how I do research for my videos. At 100k livestream I mentioned that it might not be the best idea, as it's all related to philosophy and I was worried that people would simply fall asleep if I were to try and explain that.. However, I still decided to risk it and see how many people would find my passion for philosophy to be interesting and some ideas to be thought provoking, how many would fall asleep and how many would fail to understand what this video is even about. I used some irrational comments from the previous documentary as entertaining elements and to demonstrate how false reasoning works. The goal is to inspire rational people so they would keep challenging their beliefs.
@_TheNewDawn, you are correct: Irina's followers know how much research she puts into her work. But for me (a LONG TIME SUBSCRIBER and Patreon), this video was MIND BLOWING...simply because of how much I learned about HOW Irina approaches her Research...but also because it REMINDED me of how to do proper research. Yes, I personally learned some of this in College; but will admit that I had "succumbed" to the "Researching information that support my views" category for some Social Media topics.
Just there, black people who are proud to be black because our roots are clearly defined. Also, i put in mind there are white skin countries in African map beginning with Egypt, Moroccans, etc....all most people what to hear is the original origin of white people that will be more interesting to some of us.
Why are you trying to "link" Irish people with Afro-Jamacians when up to 60% of Afro-Jamaicans are of Asanti decent? You could have done a documentary on that instead. You are trying to "Whiten" up Jamaica. Can you please verify that 1) the Irish were slaves and 2) were treated "much worse" that the African slaves?
@lalah1861 She liked a comment by a brother in the comments claiming that the Irish were "slaves" and were treated "much worse" than African slaves. Now she puts this video out, talking about doing "proper research."" SMH!
Yes white Irish were also slaves, They were called the Red Legs, they were taken to Barbados. Rihanna parents are Irish Red leg slaves this is why Barbadians have an irish type accent as there is irish cultual evidence that Barbadians are the original black Irish
Hmmm. Phenomenalism at its best! So you have opened up the Pandora’s Box. It is all about identity really. Sadly, most people think that people of African descent were the only ones that suffered atrocities throughout history, and as such any mention of another ethnicity being tortured and violated as the people of African descent were is sometimes faced with much skepticism…..One thing I meant to ask was…. your reason for nothing quoting Marcus Garvey’s usage of the term ‘Negro”, but saying “black” instead….another term that might flare the emotions of others. Well thank you again for doing the research. All the best in your upcoming projects.
Can you make a video on whu Jamaica economy makes it so hard to trade internationally? Like getting goods from overseas into the country costs so much, using international money services like PayPal is nearly impossible and such?
Well done Irina. Fantastic program. I love what you do. Someone once told me that people will believe what they want to believe, whether it is true or false. Keep up the good work. You are educating a lot of us on the history of Jamaica including myself. 🙏
More sources for those who wanna know the facts. Ancient And Modern Britons: A Retrospect (Volume 1) by MacRitchie, David, 1851-1925 Publication date 1884 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics Britons, Ethnology -- Great Britain, Blacks -- Great Britain--History Collection opensource Language English. "So far as the Iberian theory is not mere vacuum filling, it appears to rest on a single passage of Tacitus. He is describing the Silures, a British people whose territory was in the south of Wales, and who offered a very fierce resistance to the Romans. " The swarthy complexion of the Silures," he says, " the prevalence of curly hair among them, and their position over against Spain, argue that the ancient Iberians must have crossed over [from Spain] and occupied their territory." We have often heard the occurrence of similar physical traits in the west of Ireland ascribed to a more recent Spanish mixture. It all amounts to this, which Irish tradition bears out, and which nobody questions, that these western isles contain descendants of an ancient dark-complexioned population, probably already of mixed race, which existed in western Europe before the arrival of the fair-complexioned people, whose distinctive features appear by all indications to have originated in the lands forming the basin of the Baltic Sea.” (The word swarthy means: A swarthy person has a dark face.Synonyms: dark-skinned, dark, swart [archaic], dark-complexioned) Colins Dictionary online
FROM THE BOOK Ancient And Modern Britons: A Retrospect (Volume 1) by MacRitchie, David, 1851-1925 Publication date 1884 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics Britons, Ethnology -- Great Britain, Blacks -- Great Britain--History Collection opensource Language English" Transmarine Nations.” page 20 1 Spaniards of their time were seen to be both " Picts," and they (along with other indigenous British tribes, inhabiting Interior England and a large part of Modern Scotland, as well as the black and painted races of Ireland) were also shown to have possessed many common characteristics, and to have closely resembled each other in several physical traits. And the Picts and Scots- specially so named (although each title appears to have been a general nickname and nothing else)- may thus have been "transmarine," not only because they dwelt on the further side of the Irish Sea and the " Firth of Darkness " (that, save for the mountain- range that skirts the eastern side of Loch Lomond, would have severed the bulk of Scotland from the larger section of the island) ; not only because they were apparently the kindred of the more distant Picts of the Spanish Peninsula and the Islands of the Oestrymnides ; but also because they themselves- the Picts of the British Islands- are traditionally said to have come originally from that part of "Scythia" lying on the eastern side of the North Sea ;the exact locality fixed upon by some being no other than "the Chersoness Cimbrica, that promontory that is now called Juieland"* out of which, some centuries later, issued the Black Danes, orCimbri. Sothatthe Picts Proper and the Black Danes, being both Picts and both Moors, and both being " black strangers," or dubh galls, in the sight of the white races of Britain, coming, as they appear to have done, from the same locality, present themselves as not improbably akin. So far, however, we have only decided, with regard to the early Scots, that they were the associates of swarthy, piratical, painted races,- of a-Black-Eskimo, or Negrito-Mongoloid strain,- without reaching the conclusion that the Scots themselves were of the same complexion. But this seems to be distinctly pointed out by Gildas, when he chronicles the arrival of "a duskish swarm of vermin, or hideous crew of Scots and Picts, somewhat different in manners, but all alike thirsting after blood." The indifferent translation which I have quoted from does not enable us to see those invaders as clearly as we might, but another version is more exact. The precise words used by the monkish chronicler * Maule's " History of the Picts," p. 60.
I recall the late Spike Milligan wrote a show called 'The Bed Sitting Room' in the early '60's. In it he goes to the doctors and says "Doctor, I keep thinking I'm a bed sitting room, what should I do?" Doctor: "Quickly put up a sign saying "No Coloureds, Irish or Children". It was such a common sign everybody knew about them. If someone had added Dogs to the end it would not have been remarked on or photographed. The problem with the past is that it's so badly documented.
You are right about many things, but also wrong about many. Black and African are not synonymous and neither is white with European.....until recently. Kurimeo Ahau is a good youtuber who has like 1000 videos on the subject going through books from many different scholars. No hate here just info, good luck on your journey.
Simpler examples of "truth". I taught that there are 7 continents, named them, and my 20 odd diverse adult students insisted there were only 5. They were adamant and so was I. I told them to bring their "evidence" to next class after I showed mine. And sure enough, they brought evidence the next day that said 5! So I learned that day that reality or truth even of geography is different in different countries! They also taught me that age, names, years... can all be seen differently. We have a given name or two and a family name, in that order, but other countries have other orders, they can have a family name AND a patronymic (excuse spelling). They can have both parents' family names or NO family names! What is taught, is what we believe, but we should always be open to realize that others can think differently and NOT be wrong. And yes, we did have fun in class with all the things we believed to be true all our lives that other countries taught differently.
Greetings Just the facts for u not philosophy. Ireland has places named after black people Dun Na Gall, “Fort of the Dark skinned ” is the meaning of the name of Donegal. Places that end in “Gall” usually mean settlements of dark-skinned please check Bob Quinns work and Documentary Atlantean in which Galic is identified as having semitic kemetic roots take care 🙂
Brilliant insight, my dear ,the perception of everyone is conflicting, but the truth is, cultures in the world is interconnected ,and sure knowledge is arrived In three basic perception which is, first Faith, second rationalism third Empiricism, so the final arguments is always end in Faith.
That's statement of people would died out because of no vitamin D, is false, we get vitamin from many vegetable. I'm yet to see any documents of how Jamaicans got their surnames?
Irene. You get your info from books also, and you have a world view. So everything you say in the video can be attributed to you also. Now! I have boxes of videos archived and amongst them there is one BBC document that speaks of an ancient Irish form of singing that seems to have Arabic roots. It's nothing like the jigs and reels of Ireland and at the time of recording in the 1990's there were only a few exponents of this ancient form left. I heard them and indeed they sounded Bedouin . Also there is documented evidence of a pygmy type people that lived in Ireland. They were said to wear hats with a snake emblem in the front (some day like Egyptians). Please don't be quick to dismiss everyone. They may not have everything in context, but there is no smoke without fire. Have a little humility. The internet doesn't have all the info and there are things outside of all our spheres of understanding. I wish I had the energy to find that video for you.
This video is precisely to point out that everything I say is indeed attributed to me as well, so you are right! What is more, I even said that at the beginning of the video by stating "why would you trust me and not the other person" making it very clear that you shouldn't be trusting me or anybody else and instead use various tools to distinguish "most likely true" from "most likely false" when doing the research. However, you're not right by saying "you get your info from books also". Well, I don't and I deliberately demonstrated how nobody should using an example with the giraffe. This is because books as such or any other source on its own, no matter how credible, can never be fully trusted. That is why I pointed out the practice of cross referencing, providing a short example on how to find and mix different sources and what cross referencing is and what it isn't. As for the ancient Irish form of signing - there is nothing strange about that. Irish Mumming as well as English Morris dance are both adapted versions of what the Irish and the English learnt from the Moors (There is a good reason to believe that Morris dance is the corruption of "Moorish dance"). At least these are some theories that have quite strong grounds. The Moors were muslim people who colonized parts of Europe and had lots of influence in Europe in various ways. There was no concept of race back then, but was a very strong religious one, so all muslim people were perceived as "one", even though they consisted of hundreds different ethnic groups. This in turn makes it hard to tell the ethnicity of Moors using historical records, but there is a consensus that many Moors were dark skinned people originally from West Africa. This makes total sense, as that was the times of Mali Empire and before there was Ghana Empire (not today's Ghana). Anyway, when I'm doing an episode on Jamaica and Mandinka (Malinke) people - I'll cover the story of Moors. Note though - the Moors were not Europeans/not Irish. Moors were from North Africa and West Africa.
@@JAMAICAWITHIRIE Moors is not even their right name they were called that by the Caucasian because of the colour of their skin. So your trying to tell us that all the laws that was pass to get rid of the black people out Europe at the time is misinformation because they worship a different God.
Incorrect, sorry. This is exactly what happens if you "google" it and then rely on non-credible sources that claim that Duncan means "dark-skinned warrior" (it doesn't) and then paraphrase it as " black Celtic Warrior". Duncan - is the Anglicized version of the name, the original name in Gaelic is Donnchadh. The name Donnchadh consists of 2 parts: "DONN" and "CHADH". "CHADH" means "chief" or "noble". DONN is the name of the Irish GOD OF DEATH. Or god of the dead. He is also the god associated with drownings and shipwrecks. A god who metaphorically “ferries” souls to their post-life destinations. As you might have realized by now, Donn is referred to as the DARK LORD or the BLACK LORD, but this is not because Donn had dark skin, but because death is associated with darkness and blackness. So, Duncan means "a chief like the Dark Lord (god-like)", basically Duncan is a chief/nobleman who can be deadly/brings death/darkness. Proof? Just search for "Donnchadh etymology". Then look for "Donn Celtic God"
Book = Origin of the Anglo-Saxon Race A Study of the settlement of England and the Tribal Origin if the old english people By Thomas William Shore pg 109 "Dun is an old English word denoting a colour Partaking of brown or black. It is possible it refers to brown people or their children. • Book = Same as above pg 41 "Dunning - The name signifies a dark offspring, from dun, black, and ing, a termination denoting children." • Book = Same as above pg 119 "...or to those designed by the old brown-black word Sweart, and in some cases, perhaps, even by the word Dun. • Book= Etymology of the principle Gaelic nstional names, Personal names, Surnames. By Alexander Macbain pg 13 Duncan - Donnchad: Doono-Catu-s "Brown warrior", from Donn and cath. Duncan means dark warrior. • From Google It is of Scottish & Gaelic origin the meaning og Duncan is Dark warrior, brown fighter.
To know who is wrong and who is right is to know the real world history. if you try to know the truth with the belive that the religious books are real history, you will never know the truth,even when it in your hand.
I was told by someone who is from Ireland that the frist people of Ireland was black .because when I told him what my maiden name was he said it is a Irish name and when I look it up he was right I even found out what clan my family belong to they even have their Tartan .
Very interesting.Ofcours, the sailors of the past followed the golfstrømmen, im just reading a scfi book from1741,Ludvig Holberg,and it is mentioning the statue of Liberty,1880,weird🤔or what?or what if one could read the genetic memories of the potatoes🥸when it traveled the Atlantic Ocean ,
Your name. We, being of W Afro descent, seem to have an attitude of not caring about names. If we don't like someone's name, We may have an urge to change it for ourselves.
The vitamin D hypothesis was proven false by researchers at Cambridge. Lighter skin did not develop as a result of lack of sunlight. I have to find the papers, but I read this a few years ago, maybe someone else can find the reference before I remember where it is.
I understand your frustration, it baffles the mind. I like your videos because you always mention about your own biases you also gives where and how you get your informations, but the problem we’re having these days is FACTS AND OPINIONS. Coworkers and friends will showed me an article because it backs up their opinion and I have to point out this guy or girl is an opinion writer. Keep up the excellent work. Peace
5:08 You touched on an important point here. Sometimes, we just need to live with the truth that we believe is true. LOL. I feel like we have entered into a philosophical and mathematical discussion of proof. Nonetheless, I get the point. We have this same problem with the Bible as we do with history (or "his"-story as the Rastaman would say). So, do we find proof from things more concrete such as archaeological evidence rather than those who make claims even through books? (We may decide to accept as truth claims that are corroborated by several people making claims in their books and hope they have not colluded in falsehood). Hmmm. Do you see the endless rabbit hole we have gone into?
Did original Irish people have dark skin? Did the sign "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" ever existed? Was Jonkonnu a West African tradition? Here comes my VLOG reaction to some comments to my documentary "IRELAND and JAMAICA" along with the tools and step by step instruction how I do my research before making posts on social media.
Well Miss Irena! I distinctly remember my grandmother telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school. Cleopatra was BLACK!" And she should know because she was there and they went to school together! They were on the swim team.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 How could Cleopatra be black if her both parents were Greek?
Ptolemy dynasty in Egypt is Greek, not Egyptian. Cleopatra was Greek, not Egyptian. See the original money produced in Egypt during the times of Cleopatra - we know what she looked like. Search for "Cleopatra coins". Another famous Egyptian Queen - Nefertiti, was not Egyptian either, she was from Syria and was "Middle-Eastern" looking.
So, if you want an Egyptian Queen who really had dark skin, choose ALL Kings and Queens from the Twenty-fifth Dynasty, who ruled Egypt from 744 to 656 BC. They were originally the people from the Kingdom of Kush, today modern day Sudan, but they were quite "Egyptianized". Just check XXV dynasty of Egypt and you'll find the real black Kings and Queens of Egypt!
PS. I do get your point about "them going to school together" 😊 but the reality is - a lot of people really believe that Cleopatra was black.
Beautiful lady I appreciate your videos.. I give thanks for your effort, However not only was the original Irish Black, but Europe is named after an African Queen named Queen Europa a African Hamitic queen related to Jezebel. Try to understand, Africa colonised Europe LONGER then Europeans colonised Africa... As for the Goverment being a credible source 😂 sure.. The Word British comes from the Brute of Troy where we get the word Brutish, which Means THUGGERY and buggery u can watch them at football matches doing this today 😂 ofcourse we can trust THEM to tell the truth about african history.. Cant we ??????
The ORIGINAL Irish were BLACK. End of story. History is out there and this can be PROVEN.
The Chinese have recently admitted being ORIGINALLY black. So, why say the Irish people of Ireland, today.
This is why I watched and subsequently subscribed to your channel. I love how you do your research. I love the love you have for Jamaica. I admire your passion for what you do. Just keep 'em coming...Im ready and eager to watch and hear! And possibly learn something new.
History is complicated, maps have been changed, people have been removed & moved, a lot has been destroyed, rebuilt & replaced.
That entire comment shows that you have no clue about historical material and instead is basing your opinion on the opinion of other people who have no clue either and has just invented fictitious arguments to support their lack of knowledge. As an historical researcher I can tell you none of what you have stated has occurred.
@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105 what have I stated? Please explain
@@siobhanair2659 what am I to explain, don't you know what your comment said, then that is what I am replying to, to put it simply, no maps have been changed, yes people were removed but those people were Africans removed from Africa to the America as slaves, and Native Indigenous people displaced from their tribal lands as it was stolen and settled by the European newcomers. Civilizations have been destroyed but the historical documents are still available documenting these things, for historians to utilize. The facts are this, the Irish were European people. The historical reference to them as the Black Irish had nothing to do with their race, and every thing to do with how they were perceived as a people. They were not regarded. As an example you had Prince John of Gaunt, he was called the Black Prince, because of his heartlessness in battle, it was not because he was black in complexion.
We will soon discover that everything we have learned through History is not factual from the 1500s to the present.
@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105 I’ve not said Irish were black or white! I’ve made no statement support one claim or the other! It seems you have read my comment and assumed! Read my first comment again…
Thank you for this video. It is very informative and made me challenge my own views.
Brilliant. Thanks Irina.
Love this video, Irina! Brilliant as always, and as always, I learned many new things! 😊 Thank you!
Thank Irina, this was really interesting and informative, this video did one thing for me … it made me challenge my own views and look at where I actually get all my original information from. I’m from the UK, i’m now thinking were all the pictures showing no Irish, No blacks, No dogs fake… iv seen loads looking at resources from the 50’s 60’s or was it just certain ones. I do believe this was true ( in discussion with older family members who lived and experienced it)but like you say research is key to ensure you are not just spreading inaccurate information to the next generation.
Thank you for your work.
Brilliant, as usual.
Excellent video! 👏🎉
Another informative and educational video. Well done Irina and thanks for sharing with us your secret tools. Keep up the good work.
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I LOVE the respect you show to out Island and culture. Thanks. Keep doing what you do.
Love this!!! What’s the name of the Giraffe?
Good information Irie .enjoyed the vidio
Watched and enjoyed your Irish documentary. Superb work as always. Can't even imagine how much work, research, writing and time goes into a piece of that quality. You produce higher quality stuff than do armies of television production companies for the likes of the BBC You're owed thanks as well as applause.
Just a Jamaican aside: if God is not, Creation is not. And if Creation is not neither are facts, opinions, thoughts, reasoning, truths, falsehoods, conclusions, fallacy, soundness... all are mere material coincides, of no distinction.
Gender - Latin: Genus - Old French: Genre - brings human beings into the world, there is no, (despite de Beauvoir et. al. "once upon a time" alternative.
There are different cultural and personal expressions of gender of course, but without it, there would be no one to express anything.
Where did you get the information from that there was a creation? This also implies that there must have been a creator. You stated as fact something you cannot prove to invite the necessity of your belief. Poor reasoning.
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Did I say there was a creation?
I said if God is not, Creation is not. If Creation is not there are no truths or falsehoods, there are simply material coincidences.
Perhaps you should look to the poverty of your comprehension, before the poverty of anyone's reasonimg.
@@andrewjohnson8232 No sir. I am very correct in my assessment of what you wrote. In fact you just repeated it. Saying if God is not creation is not has the 100% dependency on both things. Meaning since we accept that existence is real hence the other must be. You can replace any part of your premise and your conclusion with anything and the result would be the same. If you want to play mysterious religious word games go ahead. Your conversation is closer to a deepity than sound logic. Again I ask...where is your source that there ever was a creation. You first must establish this posit before you move on to any conclusion derived from your position. No, I'm not very smart but I am smarter than some. Don't engage in word gymnastics just the facts please.
@@MrDonking1967
Dear friend, "If" is the introduction of a conditional clause:
"If it is sunny at the weekend we can go to the beach".
"IF there is no such thing as the sea, there is no such thing as a beach".
"IF there is no such thing as the Sun, there is no such thing as a sunny day".
That is how conditionals work. If A then B. The necessary relationship between two propositions. Something I don't need to repeat to you as you've already stated that Creation necessarily implies Creator.
If reality is not Creation, there are no such things as truth and falsehood.
I never claimed the world is Creation, I said that talking about truths and falsehoods necessarily implies the world is Creation.
Now if you're challenging my personal acceptance of Creation as axiomatic, I refer you again to the same point, i.e. that every claim I make about reality necessarily implies Creation. As necessarily as the number 1 implies 1+1=2.
You know otherwise? I'll be happy to hear.
@@andrewjohnson8232 1 +1=2 is true in base 10 maths. You chose to use a conditional clause to then establish all that you reason for. That's unfortunate and wrong. Not my fault. That's as good as saying if pigs could fly would they then be a bird. It's idiotic or sneaking. This whole thing about truth and falsehood being only as a result is also idiotic. There's no assessment of either that requires a creator. If so you would have to demonstrate this. You also are not in a position to determine coincidence or intentional events. Your interpretations I'm sure is in line with your conditional placeholder. We all have the same 5 senses we use to recieve, analyze then determine reality from fiction. Your injection of a if is unnecessary to what's real. It only serves the purpose to make the rest of your statement. Anyways. IF you believe in this creator you have created then this is a waste of time. Mingled mangled word soup is to follow and that's a waste of time. Go, be good. Always.
Irie, love your documentaries, but I am of the opinion that if the powers that be did not try to hide historical facts from the general public, by leaving facts out of history books, and even in modern day watering down historical facts being taught in schools there would be no reason for all these guessing and spelling around truth. Keep up the good work.
What they are also doing now is to raise the prices of books to exorbitant amounts, some upwards of Five thousand dollars. Why?! Because they don't want us to know the truth. Forget about the books that are written in the 19 hundreds , they have been whitewashed .
I love your argument. It is solid debate , so keep it up
Re Jankunu. You might try looking at the Garafuna people living all along the Caribbean coast of South America. I'm particular Belize and Honduras. Look at the form and tell me that's not Jankunu related.
I've also travelled through Africa and seen various iterations of pitchypatchy clearly looking like Jankunu roots.
There were no Garifuna people moved to Jamaica. Hence the influences for Jonkunnu could not come from them. And please remember we had our indigenous people, and they did practice a form of Jonkunnu, present day Jamaican Jonkunnu has multiple sources of influence, but not from the Garifuna.
That's true, but I don't read his comment to say that the direction of influence was from the Garifuna to Jamaica. There is obvious African ancestry in the Garifuna, either from some island or other in the Caribbean or directly from West Africa.@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105
@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105 I didn't say there was Garafuna in Jamaica, I was implying that looking at the forms you can see the African roots and having travelled through Africa I've seen that root.
@@enquiryb8261 not every single thing is only influenced by Africa, as shocking as that maybe to swallow. Our Johnunnu have some elements of African influences, however no matter how you have travelled all over Africa, the majority of Jamaican African bloodlines spring from the Yoruba, the Akan, Igbo, Ewe and to a lesser extent the Mali and the Bantu peoples, with primary influences being the Yoruba and the Akan. Now there was Akan masquerading known to have existed, but the indigenous Jamaican Taino too had masquerading elements and so did the Irish. Jamaica is a melting pot and melting pots tend to combine influences to create something new and special all the time.
@@diannetgoldingfrankson2105 Within a few lines of the comment section it's not easy to express everything you want to get across, and sometimes nuances are lost. Likewise neither is it easy to discern the entirety of someone else who's commenting. So it's futile to try and judgmentally paint someone as you think they are.
Now, with reference to our heritage, lineage and ancestry, everyday there are new discoveries which make old, hard-held narratives obsolete, or at least make us rethink them.
The narrative that says in the Caribbean we are all essentially West African could be one of them.
I often wonder why we can't, as well as DNA tests (which call me para if you want to, but mi fraid fah like puss), also have culinary DNA, or linguistic DNA, or musical DNA. We might find out a lot more about our ancient roots.
For example one word we use in Jamaica for eating is "Nyam". In West Africa there is a festival of eating called "Nyam" (it's decades since I came across it and I can't quite remember where exactly it was). But then all over Southern Africa variations of that word such as "Nyama", means meat. You find it in South Africa, Uganda, Botswana, Zimbabwe, to name just a few. How has that word travelled and re-shaped?
These are the kind of things that interest me. And positivity also interests me.
We are more than we think!
Walk good
Irina, there were so many fascinating insights to this Video...and I just kept nodding my head "yep, yep" to the "people behaviors" you mentioned (though you didn't use that word). The most fascinating one for me is: People will do "research" to find "views" to support what they believe, and FACTS be damned... :) :) . This is SO TRUE, especially on Social Media when it comes to Politics and Social Issues.
As for the Religion aspect, you hit that out of the Ballpark: The vast majority of us learn about Religion from our Parents by them (usually a Mother or Grandmother in Jamaica) dragging us to Church every Saturday or Sunday. And that "link" is so strong, many of us have a difficult time looking beyond what they taught us (someone else pointed to this in one of the comments). Even when we become more "educated" about Religion (and the various forms of it), many of us "stick to what we were taught".
I know this video was about "How You Do Proper Research"; but the content that delves into Human Behavior was Fascinating Stuff. Thanks again for doing what you do.
I'm sure you meant well but this video is full of contradictions even though your point was to prove otherwise. Truth basically is ones belief and interpretation.
While Europeans control the narrative where historical facts are concerned, and history is told from a Europe centric perspective, why would they tell factual history of the oppressed people that would humanize them? 9:14
AS A BORN JAMAICA 🇯🇲 THAT TRAVEL TO OTHER COUNTRIES I REALLY APPRECIATE LISTENING TO YOU I LEARNED ALOT FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND HISTORY
How is it that you are the one traveling to other countries, but you are learning from her? this is really mind boggling.
@@jlau979 do you have to travel to other places to learn from someone no have I doing researcher’s no that’s why I listen and learn and pick sense from nonsense like you go to school teachers teach and you listen and learn I might travel to 5 country and she travels to let say 10 she can teach me something about those countries that I don’t go to
@@douglasjoseph2097 I suggest you invest in some books written in the 18 hundreds and earlier and read for yourself. They have been raising the prices on books some upwards of five thousand dollars because they realize blacks are reading them. What are they hiding? The days of letting white tell teach us history are over. This is the information age and truth are being revealed.
Most people are married to their ideas, so they become very dogmatic in their beliefs. There's no amount of evidence, or the lack thereof, that will change what they think they already know. I approach learning with a healthy dose of flexibility because, my opinions and beliefs must be grounded in evidence, wherever they lead me. I have no problem changing my mind to suite the facts, some folks prefer to change the facts to suite their opinions. Another great piece of journalistic work Irena, keep them coming.
Blacks ruled Europe up until the early 18 hundreds. Period!
WOW !!! Felt like I was back in University in a Philosophy Class...Most Excellent explanation about doing research. Thank you.
Dear Irie ..Love your videos
I came to England in 1956 from Jamaica age 9,and remember seeing "no Irish
no black,no dogs" signs in
windows in Notting Hill...
please keep educating us !!
How can anyone prove that your comment in not just total fabrication?
This is one of the points about the acquirement of true knowledge: When someone states a claim, how can it be proven, or disproven: That's the question.
Irie cannot educate us. And there were such signs... Remember Irie is of privilege and even when she has our backs... she remains ignorant !
You are such a clever lady! Delighted you have been able to up roots, move to Jamaica and still create a life. Your husband is a lucky man and smart to have decided to move together with you and maintain your family unit!.....regarding the sign....my irish uncle would leave his 20 something irish wife at the gate of each english bedsit he appriached...because he didn't want her to face the door being shut in her face...continually...when they heard his Irish accent
Totally agree, I can even say I might be guilty of this in some instances. Still, the internet makes it easy for people to spread their childhood memories online. Most never considered that what they were learning was not true. I think your channel will help many to look deeper into things they have learned.
With your statement, you just proved that black people was un Ireland centuries ago.Just maybe the Irish got jonkanoo from the people they saw when they first arrived. Those could be the same People that erected Stonehenge on Salisbury Plains!
Why would you rebut book and books citing the ancient Irish were swarthy, prior to the revolution in the UK, when the same UK shipping records, from government during the revolution, described many Irish, German, French, Italians, and other Europeans as swarthy, black, colored, their trade, that were Moors, etc, shipped off to the Caribbean, plus many other books written by Europeans who visited Jamaica during the 1600 or 1700, and observed the blacks, coloreds, swarthy Europeans deported to Jamaica how they were living, their religion practices, etc. You cannot selectively apply your logic by insufficient insight, or logical gymnastics
Of all your videos, I've never heard such circular and nuanced logic. You are sounding very convoluted
@@anthonycoote9546 For information from a credible source named Harvard University, look up the book series called “Image of the black in western art” you will see that “blacks” ruled Europe for thousands of years, and were in fact, banished as slaves to the americas and Caribbean and worldwide after our fall. FACTS
Selective colonial history telling, she even missed out that Ireland has places named after black people. Dun Na Gall, “Fort of the Dark Skinned” is the meaning of the name of Donegal Places that end in “Gall” usually mean settlements of dark-skinned. She didnt mention that galic has semitic kemet roots or the names of the tribes that lived in Ireland under the Moors. Sad really 😢
I just discovered your channel and watched Ireland and Jamaica and then this one. All I can say is simply brilliant , enlightening and refreshing just like a Jamaican rum Baileys Guinness cocktail stirred with pink giraffe decorated with a green swan. Did you know we don’t have Wednesdays in Ireland ? It’s true my friends brothers uncle was a leprechaun with one leg who magically waved his wooden leg and wished it away
❤ your video Irina , The Good Book (Bible) says " In the beginning was the word, where should we find the end of our differences,? obviously in the word itself ! Because the word we believe will become our thoughts which some of us are in capable of managing properly both conscious and subconscious.
🇯🇲Irene, knowingly ignoring the rightful Irina for the preferential.
Almost all of us are misinformed and disinformed starting from home by our first teachers, our parents.
I found this to be true of religion and politics since becoming a young adult.
Most of those teachings, especially religion/beliefs are deeply ingrained and very difficult to shed.
A black moth/bat flying in and around the house is a sign of looming death, I’ve long dispelled.
However, to abandon most precepts, acknowledging we’ve lived all our lives on religious falsehoods and impractical realities is almost like an exile from our parents.
Most would rather be shackled by their inner conflicts than be physically divorced from loved ones.
The centuries long lie that Europe is bigger than Africa was a quick drop like steaming potato.
there was 100% signs stating, No Irish, No Blk and No Dogs., our flat was burned down by NF's in the late 70's..... Irie there was serious physical Racism in the UK in the 60's and 70's towards Black people by all sorts including the teddy bear boys. My grandparents were affected badly by being spat on but my parents era were more radical and started fighting back as soon as the travelled into the UK hence various riots. But that didn't stop murders and oppressions of black people. Today Racism is still here, it's now quietly operating throughout institutions... nb. You Always Feel You Know It ALL... You're privileged (whether you like it or not) and sometimes it show's effortlessly through the manner you speak which can come across ignorant at times..... ie you saying that people. will believe in all sorts of nonsense..... Who Are You to speak of peoples experiences as NONSENSE!!!
U r absolutely an inspiration. I agree with U, even more so, I believe that every adult should study at least intro philosophy. I hated the darn thing when I was forced to do it, but it turned out to be the most interesting thing to make one understand truth and what it is. Madan Sarup is a good start, otherwise one can easily get lost into this category of study. It is not easy, but it is absolutely amazing in guiding one's way of understanding. Thank U for these excellent videos.
If that's the case then DNA evidence will back it up...good luck with that.
A lot of people doesn’t know they have learn how to learn and this is where higher education comes in so I hope these same people watch this follow up, thank you @jamaicawithirie.❤
What did you learn from this video? Read for self !
Hi Irina, born in Jamaica but have lived longer in the US. I have been delighted by your videos, I must say, well done. They are professional level work so thank you. This is my first response to anything on this type of platform. But philosophy and critical thinking do get me fired up and that's what this particular episode did to me. So thank you. As you hinted, we are and will have failed our generation if we do not inspire them to a love of Western Philosophy and critical thinking. I pray one of these days we'll be able to meet for discussion.
In short stick to what you" Know" and can prove.
Keep a open mind to what you" Believe ".
Tanks Irie😅
Irina me Irie, this is education at its highest standards. I am a JamIcan living in the US, and believe me, you have taught me so much about my country that I have no idea existed, much less written......as a Ukrainian living in Jamaica I learned so much from you about Jamaican history, and I cNt thank you enough. Many years ago, there used to be a series in the Jamaican Gleaner named Pieces of the Past with historical facts about the island, which I used to follow before it was stopped. ❤ your work, and thank you.
Irina you so funny we love you in Jamaica always welcome to the green lol blessings always amen 🙏 respect to the max one love
Intuitive and enlightening show
I am guilty of all of the above representations of your name. I don’t know why I love using “Irene” though.
But, bless up, Mrs Irina.
👍👌 Well said Irina 👏 I'm always and 100% with you all the way, thanks for clarifying things for those people who have different opinions from yours, you are certainly smart and such a lovely person inside and outside. 💕
Condescending is what she is. She has discredited ALL scholars.
10:18 Irina. I want to say something about "haters" and competitors. It's important to understand a law of fellowship at work here. What's vitally important is the attention and participation from all. They do enrich the experience of what you are delivering. Eliminating "haters", in my opinion, is not a good thing to do. Allow them the room to express themselves and see how you can better understand them in order that you can deliver a greater experience from what they (the "haters") provide to you. Avoid the echo chamber. There are treasures to unearth from them. I think Robert Greene stated a law of power around this.
I made it to Irie’s video!!! 😃😂😂😂🎊🎊🎉🎉🎉 Sorry my comment wasn’t clear to you. Meant to say there was DEFINITELY discrimination and I still stand by my comment that those signs did indeed exist. I wish I could share the video documentaries that I’ve seen. We agree to disagree. All love!
They existed but not in Jamaica. That's USA history
@@100jenaboo I never said in Jamaica, The signs were hung in the windows, racist English people back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s when there was a mass migration of West Indians to the UK.
Wish I could see those videos and documentaries too!
I was actually trying to find these documentaries, but couldn't find any, though I'm sure they were, as they are mentioned in various newspapers, but without the names/titles. Please let me know if you find a relative or maybe a friend who was an adult in 1980s and would remember some documentaries mentioning this sign? We need either an approximate name of the documentary or more details what it was about or who was featured there.
@@tishainnis ohh so to in the USA, didn't know about the UK
I love this video so much!!! You are a wonder
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commander-and carried into
Martinico, the 30th June 1747 The list is taken from three different gaols-Lincoln, York,
and Lancaster- and it is likely that the first 46 prisoners
whose names are all alphabetically arranged would come
from Lincoln ; the other names from York and Lancaster
being inserted without any regard to sequence. Of the 135
men
, 18 hailed from Perthshire,
20 from Inverness,
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Aberdeen, 19 from England, and 1 from Ireland. As to the
trades represented,
55 were labourers, 11 servants,
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, John M‘Kenzie, 22
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would, no doubt, suit the West Indies. Jacobite Gleanings From State Manuscripts: Short Sketches of Jacobites The Transportations in 1745 Book by J. MacBeth Forbes
yep, this is correct, here is the original source:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/jacobite-1745/prisoners-transportation/
@@JAMAICAWITHIRIE Everyone should read this list of names, you will all see many family names in Jamaica today and Caribbean, and.. you will also see their complexion listed in the remarks. Mostly black and Brown complexion people, some fair and pale complexions.
@@JAMAICAWITHIRIEI thought you did extensive research! how could you have missed that?!
@@jlau979 i didnt miss that. These people are not Irish. Dig deeper and you will see. Check the relationship between Ireland and Spain. Dr. Healy in my documentary mentioned that too.
She made several points. And her views says a lot 💪🏾
I think they may be talking about cheddar man which was found in England
Go read!
Irina, I loved your videos from the very first time I watch & I must say you've never disappointed me😘
Keep up your great work in educating those who are willing to be educated!!😊
We love you & I personally have know you do your research properly & your love & interest for Jamaica is overwhelming❤❤❤ for me😘👏🏾 thank you😘
0:45 Moors & Maroons are TWO different peoples 🙄
There’s no myth the original Irish were swarthy stop being an identity thief 🤨
Exactly 💯
She literally dismiss important people of our history like Oliver Cromwell that shape Jamaica, other Caribbean countries and even some parts of America.
"One surviving English register of emigration contains the names of approximately 10,000 servants who sailed from Bristol to America between 1654 and 1678. Roughly half of these emigrants went to Virginia. The rest found their way to the West Indies--mainly the island of Barbados which was such favored during the 1650s, and the beautiful little island of Nevis which was preferred in the early 1660s. Scarcely any chose to make New England their home. The main stream flowed from the south and west of England to the Caribbean and the Chesapeake." (Fischer, Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways In America, 1989, pp. 227-228).
Irina, thanks for this rather heady and as always informative video.
I agree with you about the lack of philosophical teaching, thought and inquisitiveness in these modern times. I found Philosophy very interesting and thought provoking when I was in college. It's the one class that helped me develop better questioning and reasoning abilities.
I agree with you that, It's wise to consider the source when we come across information and it's difficult if not impossible to prove a negative. I also saw those giraffes standing next to you.🤣🤣🤣❤
🦒❤- It's always there! Thank you! :))
@QuestionEverything-qp6kw: Your last sentence made me LOL...
Thank you, Irina, for your documentary. With regard to the discriminating signs, I actually witnessed those signs in the windows of many English homes as a young Jamaican immigrant girl in the 60s living in London, UK, with my parents in our own home. On my own block/road we would see signs in windows advertising a room for rent that would say "no Coloreds, Irish or dogs." Some would also say "no coloreds or Irish need apply" or "no coloreds need apply". The signs which said blacks were less, as back then coloreds were commonly used, and blacks came along a bit later on with the black power movement. Those discriminating signs also disappeared in the late 60s when the Color Bar Law came into force in the U.K. which made them illegal.
Irina. Does this commenter’s personal experience increase the validity of the existence of the? I’m not trying to create controversy, but I want to understand whether this can be accepted.
I ask because I would normally accept that person testimonial as fact if it comes from a person that I trust and I am willing to conditionally accept it as truth from person I don’t know.
Please help☺️
Irena,
if I were you, I wouldn't try to explain how I do my research to those people, since most of what you're saying is WAY over their heads.
Moreover, you're using terms and phrases that have no meaning to them, such as: "epistemology, metaphysics and logic".
This is because Jamaicans in Jamaica, are mostly illiterate or semi-illiterate, even the so-called "educated" ones.
Therefore, I can bet that most of the people who are responding intelligently and favorably to you on this page don't even live in Jamaica but are in fact living abroad - where they're more exposed to and are familiar with the knowledge that you are trying to impart.
Yikes!
Very interesting commentary. Let me give you an experience I had with my trainer. My trainer is black, which I thought he was African American, he told me he was born in Ireland. I thought that maybe his father was an American military man in Ireland. His response was that his family and black peoples had thousands of years of history in Ireland and that their people were the original people of Ireland
I wonder if that's why they were/are seen as lower whites and used as servants. Remember Italians/Sicilians, North Africans, etc. were once not considered white because it was known/thought that they had/have African ancestry ... in that black genes. In early America, most of these groups were seen as lower class whites or non-whites and treated as such.
@@TomoC_2023That is because they have Moorish blood.
Catching up five days later
Philosopher Bertrand Russell said, “Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken.”
I watched the full video and at no time did you tell us why the signs were fake.
We now know that these signs have been around since the 1800s.
You ignored the eyewitnesses' claims as if our Jamaican Christian grandparents would lie about such things.
We know that West Indians were welcomed in the UK during WWII, but the warm welcome turned to resentment after the war ended. The economic condition was terrible, with too many people chasing too few jobs, so those signs were likely posted.
Anyway, in 2002, a history professor in the US claimed that the signs were - not his exact words, but mine - figments of the Irish’s imagination. In 2015, an eighth-grade girl named Rebecca Fried debunked his claim (google the Smithsonian article “Teen Schools Professor on “No Irish Need Apply” Signs”).
@swwiriusj4230, she actually DID...not only in this Video, but in others where she has mentioned it before. She said she could NOT FIND EVIDENCE that it was posted all around the UK, based on the "Philosophical" approach to Research, as she outlined. She has requested that people SHARE Documentaries and other "Credible Sources" to PROVE it was REAL (in regards to being posted all around the UK....NOT that the sign itself wasn't real). So far, I haven't seen any responses to that request. It's not that she is ignoring the "Word of Mouth" comments; in fact, she addressed this also. She also admitted that it is possible that the Sign did exist around the UK; but so far, she has not found the "Evidence"....and that was her Point by using the "Giraffe" example.
Credible sources can also be bias
All you have to do is disprove the claims made. Anything less then that is disingenuous. You are very very late to this subject matter. UA-cam researchers such as Kurimeo Ahau, KMZ History & Stright up to name but a few have all extensively researched this subject for years. They only use primary source scholarly books and plenty of them. The black Irish are a very well documented fact. Kurimeo Ahau also does interviews so you could reach out to him personally 💜
A person I would actually like to interview is the author of the channel Home Team History - I'm a fan and subscriber, check him out: www.youtube.com/@hometeamhistory806
The pride of ESAU'S heart will not allow that.
Everybody in the world should watch this video. Hopefully they understand
For what?! More brainwashing!!
please do a video on the Venezueala - Guyana situation.
I am watching this video and wondering who this video is addressed to and why? It can't be to ensure that your followers know you do extensive research; we already do. It can't be to respond to ignorant people; even though it may give you a little pleasure, it's not going to change their mind. It must be for the same one student that my teachers used to say they were trying to reach. I enjoy how my brain learns from every one of your videos. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing this feedback! Well, at some point my audience asked to share how I do research for my videos. At 100k livestream I mentioned that it might not be the best idea, as it's all related to philosophy and I was worried that people would simply fall asleep if I were to try and explain that.. However, I still decided to risk it and see how many people would find my passion for philosophy to be interesting and some ideas to be thought provoking, how many would fall asleep and how many would fail to understand what this video is even about. I used some irrational comments from the previous documentary as entertaining elements and to demonstrate how false reasoning works. The goal is to inspire rational people so they would keep challenging their beliefs.
@_TheNewDawn, you are correct: Irina's followers know how much research she puts into her work. But for me (a LONG TIME SUBSCRIBER and Patreon), this video was MIND BLOWING...simply because of how much I learned about HOW Irina approaches her Research...but also because it REMINDED me of how to do proper research. Yes, I personally learned some of this in College; but will admit that I had "succumbed" to the "Researching information that support my views" category for some Social Media topics.
So damn disrespectful!
@@jlau979 It wasn't meant to be disrespectful . The person I wrote it for got the humor and my point. That's all that matters.
Just there, black people who are proud to be black because our roots are clearly defined. Also, i put in mind there are white skin countries in African map beginning with Egypt, Moroccans, etc....all most people what to hear is the original origin of white people that will be more interesting to some of us.
Your sarcasm about the giraffe analogy is overwhelming.
What colour were the twa and Picts short African who were found in all the European islands
Why are you trying to "link" Irish people with Afro-Jamacians when up to 60% of Afro-Jamaicans are of Asanti decent?
You could have done a documentary on that instead.
You are trying to "Whiten" up Jamaica.
Can you please verify that 1) the Irish were slaves and 2) were treated "much worse" that the African slaves?
YES
@lalah1861 She liked a comment by a brother in the comments claiming that the Irish were "slaves" and were treated "much worse" than African slaves.
Now she puts this video out, talking about doing "proper research."" SMH!
@@fbaallied
CHARACTER TRAITS OF EUROPEANS, OVERIDING THEIR WORDS TO BE WORD. SMH
Yes white Irish were also slaves, They were called the Red Legs, they were taken to Barbados. Rihanna parents are Irish Red leg slaves this is why Barbadians have an irish type accent as there is irish cultual evidence that Barbadians are the original black Irish
@@dancarrington8678 you are either a dumb descendant of slaves or a Caucasian to believe Irish were treated worst or the same as “black” slaves
Hmmm. Phenomenalism at its best! So you have opened up the Pandora’s Box. It is all about identity really. Sadly, most people think that people of African descent were the only ones that suffered atrocities throughout history, and as such any mention of another ethnicity being tortured and violated as the people of African descent were is sometimes faced with much skepticism…..One thing I meant to ask was…. your reason for nothing quoting Marcus Garvey’s usage of the term ‘Negro”, but saying “black” instead….another term that might flare the emotions of others. Well thank you again for doing the research. All the best in your upcoming projects.
Can you make a video on whu Jamaica economy makes it so hard to trade internationally? Like getting goods from overseas into the country costs so much, using international money services like PayPal is nearly impossible and such?
Irene is your given Jamaican name. Accept it. lol
This independent research approach seems to be a two to four year apprenticeship.
Nah, one month if that much.
Confirmation bias ! People may jist listen to what they always held to be true
Well done Irina. Fantastic program. I love what you do. Someone once told me that people will believe what they want to believe, whether it is true or false. Keep up the good work. You are educating a lot of us on the history of Jamaica including myself. 🙏
More sources for those who wanna know the facts. Ancient And Modern Britons: A Retrospect (Volume 1)
by MacRitchie, David, 1851-1925
Publication date 1884
Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain
Topics Britons, Ethnology -- Great Britain, Blacks -- Great Britain--History
Collection opensource
Language English. "So far as the Iberian theory is not mere vacuum filling, it appears to rest on a single passage of Tacitus. He is describing the Silures, a British people whose territory was in the south of Wales, and who offered a very fierce resistance to the Romans. " The swarthy complexion of the Silures," he says, " the prevalence of curly hair among them, and their position over against Spain, argue that the ancient Iberians must have crossed over [from Spain] and occupied their territory." We have often heard the occurrence of similar physical traits in the west of Ireland ascribed to a more recent Spanish mixture. It all amounts to this, which Irish tradition bears out, and which nobody questions, that these western isles contain descendants of an ancient dark-complexioned population, probably already of mixed race, which existed in western Europe before the arrival of the fair-complexioned people, whose distinctive features appear by all indications to have originated in the lands forming the basin of the Baltic Sea.” (The word swarthy means: A swarthy person has a dark face.Synonyms: dark-skinned, dark, swart [archaic], dark-complexioned) Colins Dictionary online
FROM THE BOOK Ancient And Modern Britons: A Retrospect (Volume 1)
by MacRitchie, David, 1851-1925
Publication date 1884
Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain
Topics Britons, Ethnology -- Great Britain, Blacks -- Great Britain--History
Collection opensource
Language English" Transmarine Nations.” page 20 1
Spaniards of their time were seen to be both " Picts," and they (along with other indigenous British tribes, inhabiting Interior England and a large part of Modern Scotland, as well as the black and painted races of Ireland) were also shown to have possessed many common characteristics, and to have closely resembled each other in several physical traits. And the Picts and Scots- specially so named (although each title appears to have been a general nickname and nothing else)- may thus have been "transmarine," not only because they dwelt on the further side of the Irish Sea and the " Firth of Darkness " (that, save for the mountain- range that skirts the eastern side of Loch Lomond, would have severed the bulk of Scotland from the larger section of the island) ; not only because they were apparently the kindred of the more distant Picts of the Spanish Peninsula and the Islands of the Oestrymnides ; but also because they themselves- the Picts of the British Islands- are traditionally said to have come originally from that part of "Scythia" lying on the eastern side of the North Sea ;the exact locality
fixed upon by some being no other than "the Chersoness Cimbrica, that promontory that is now called Juieland"* out of which, some centuries later, issued the Black Danes, orCimbri. Sothatthe Picts Proper and the Black Danes, being both Picts and both Moors, and both being " black strangers," or dubh galls, in the sight of the white races of Britain, coming, as they appear to have done, from the same locality, present themselves as not improbably akin.
So far, however, we have only decided, with regard to the early Scots, that they were the associates of swarthy, piratical, painted races,- of a-Black-Eskimo, or Negrito-Mongoloid strain,- without reaching the conclusion that the Scots themselves were of the same complexion. But this seems to be distinctly pointed out by Gildas, when he chronicles the arrival of "a duskish swarm of vermin, or hideous crew of Scots and Picts, somewhat different in manners, but all alike thirsting after blood." The indifferent translation which I have quoted from does not enable us to see those invaders as clearly as we might, but another version is more exact. The precise words used by the monkish chronicler
* Maule's " History of the Picts," p. 60.
I recall the late Spike Milligan wrote a show called 'The Bed Sitting Room' in the early '60's.
In it he goes to the doctors and says "Doctor, I keep thinking I'm a bed sitting room, what should I do?"
Doctor: "Quickly put up a sign saying "No Coloureds, Irish or Children". It was such a common sign everybody knew about them. If someone had added Dogs to the end it would not have been remarked on or photographed. The problem with the past is that it's so badly documented.
You are right about many things, but also wrong about many. Black and African are not synonymous and neither is white with European.....until recently. Kurimeo Ahau is a good youtuber who has like 1000 videos on the subject going through books from many different scholars. No hate here just info, good luck on your journey.
Simpler examples of "truth". I taught that there are 7 continents, named them, and my 20 odd diverse adult students insisted there were only 5. They were adamant and so was I. I told them to bring their "evidence" to next class after I showed mine. And sure enough, they brought evidence the next day that said 5! So I learned that day that reality or truth even of geography is different in different countries! They also taught me that age, names, years... can all be seen differently. We have a given name or two and a family name, in that order, but other countries have other orders, they can have a family name AND a patronymic (excuse spelling). They can have both parents' family names or NO family names! What is taught, is what we believe, but we should always be open to realize that others can think differently and NOT be wrong. And yes, we did have fun in class with all the things we believed to be true all our lives that other countries taught differently.
Greetings Just the facts for u not philosophy. Ireland has places named after black people Dun Na Gall, “Fort of the Dark skinned ” is the meaning of the name of Donegal. Places that end in “Gall” usually mean settlements of dark-skinned please check Bob Quinns work and Documentary Atlantean in which Galic is identified as having semitic kemetic roots take care 🙂
Brilliant insight, my dear ,the perception of everyone is conflicting, but the truth is, cultures in the world is interconnected ,and sure knowledge is arrived In three basic perception which is, first Faith, second rationalism third Empiricism, so the final arguments is always end in Faith.
Your hair looking nice
That's statement of people would died out because of no vitamin D, is false, we get vitamin from many vegetable. I'm yet to see any documents of how Jamaicans got their surnames?
Irene. You get your info from books also, and you have a world view. So everything you say in the video can be attributed to you also.
Now! I have boxes of videos archived and amongst them there is one BBC document that speaks of an ancient Irish form of singing that seems to have Arabic roots. It's nothing like the jigs and reels of Ireland and at the time of recording in the 1990's there were only a few exponents of this ancient form left. I heard them and indeed they sounded Bedouin .
Also there is documented evidence of a pygmy type people that lived in Ireland. They were said to wear hats with a snake emblem in the front (some day like Egyptians).
Please don't be quick to dismiss everyone. They may not have everything in context, but there is no smoke without fire.
Have a little humility. The internet doesn't have all the info and there are things outside of all our spheres of understanding.
I wish I had the energy to find that video for you.
Facts
This video is precisely to point out that everything I say is indeed attributed to me as well, so you are right! What is more, I even said that at the beginning of the video by stating "why would you trust me and not the other person" making it very clear that you shouldn't be trusting me or anybody else and instead use various tools to distinguish "most likely true" from "most likely false" when doing the research.
However, you're not right by saying "you get your info from books also". Well, I don't and I deliberately demonstrated how nobody should using an example with the giraffe. This is because books as such or any other source on its own, no matter how credible, can never be fully trusted. That is why I pointed out the practice of cross referencing, providing a short example on how to find and mix different sources and what cross referencing is and what it isn't.
As for the ancient Irish form of signing - there is nothing strange about that. Irish Mumming as well as English Morris dance are both adapted versions of what the Irish and the English learnt from the Moors (There is a good reason to believe that Morris dance is the corruption of "Moorish dance"). At least these are some theories that have quite strong grounds. The Moors were muslim people who colonized parts of Europe and had lots of influence in Europe in various ways. There was no concept of race back then, but was a very strong religious one, so all muslim people were perceived as "one", even though they consisted of hundreds different ethnic groups. This in turn makes it hard to tell the ethnicity of Moors using historical records, but there is a consensus that many Moors were dark skinned people originally from West Africa. This makes total sense, as that was the times of Mali Empire and before there was Ghana Empire (not today's Ghana). Anyway, when I'm doing an episode on Jamaica and Mandinka (Malinke) people - I'll cover the story of Moors.
Note though - the Moors were not Europeans/not Irish. Moors were from North Africa and West Africa.
Thank you she didn't even mention the Jacobites but you can't expect much from some of the daughter of Japheth.
@@JAMAICAWITHIRIE Moors is not even their right name they were called that by the Caucasian because of the colour of their skin. So your trying to tell us that all the laws that was pass to get rid of the black people out Europe at the time is misinformation because they worship a different God.
@@JAMAICAWITHIRIE Job 9:24
This video is absolutely crucial in the world we currently live in where people have accepted falsehoods as truth-alternative facts 🤦🏾♂️
Irina there some history that is private
Duncan means black Celtic Warrior. Who is described as black Europeans?
Incorrect, sorry. This is exactly what happens if you "google" it and then rely on non-credible sources that claim that Duncan means "dark-skinned warrior" (it doesn't) and then paraphrase it as " black Celtic Warrior".
Duncan - is the Anglicized version of the name, the original name in Gaelic is Donnchadh.
The name Donnchadh consists of 2 parts: "DONN" and "CHADH".
"CHADH" means "chief" or "noble".
DONN is the name of the Irish GOD OF DEATH. Or god of the dead. He is also the god associated with drownings and shipwrecks. A god who metaphorically “ferries” souls to their post-life destinations.
As you might have realized by now, Donn is referred to as the DARK LORD or the BLACK LORD, but this is not because Donn had dark skin, but because death is associated with darkness and blackness.
So, Duncan means "a chief like the Dark Lord (god-like)", basically Duncan is a chief/nobleman who can be deadly/brings death/darkness.
Proof? Just search for "Donnchadh etymology". Then look for "Donn Celtic God"
Book = Origin of the Anglo-Saxon Race
A Study of the settlement of England and the Tribal Origin if the old english people By Thomas William Shore pg 109
"Dun is an old English word denoting a colour
Partaking of brown or black. It is possible it refers to brown people or their children.
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Book = Same as above pg 41
"Dunning - The name signifies a dark offspring, from dun, black, and ing, a termination denoting children."
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Book = Same as above pg 119
"...or to those designed by the old brown-black word Sweart, and in some cases, perhaps, even by the word Dun.
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Book= Etymology of the principle Gaelic nstional names, Personal names, Surnames. By Alexander Macbain pg 13
Duncan - Donnchad: Doono-Catu-s "Brown warrior", from Donn and cath. Duncan means dark warrior.
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From Google
It is of Scottish & Gaelic origin the meaning og Duncan is Dark warrior, brown fighter.
So Irina, what are you saying? Donald Trump is not able to use the "My gut told me that I won" defense? 😉😁
To know who is wrong and who is right is to know the real world history. if you try to know the truth with the belive that the religious books are real history, you will never know the truth,even when it in your hand.
I learned that most people don’t research they watch videos that random people post and take it as facts never follow up and dig deeper.
I was told by someone who is from Ireland that the frist people of Ireland was black .because when I told him what my maiden name was he said it is a Irish name and when I look it up he was right I even found out what clan my family belong to they even have their Tartan .
So sorry in Jamaica we do not call any one by there right name do not take it personal I'm sorry 😂
I implore you to ignore, those naysayers .
Read Dr. Marie Charles books on Scotland, Ireland, England. There is ample evidence in archeology.
Very interesting.Ofcours, the sailors of the past followed the golfstrømmen, im just reading a scfi book from1741,Ludvig Holberg,and it is mentioning the statue of Liberty,1880,weird🤔or what?or what if one could read the genetic memories of the potatoes🥸when it traveled the Atlantic Ocean ,
BEAUTIFUL VIEDO IN REASONING AND THINKING.....THANK
Hey Irie, is that a ripe Mongo on the tree over your right shoulder? 😄
Can you explain the slave ship with irish black.
Your name. We, being of W Afro descent, seem to have an attitude of not caring about names. If we don't like someone's name, We may have an urge to change it for ourselves.
The vitamin D hypothesis was proven false by researchers at Cambridge. Lighter skin did not develop as a result of lack of sunlight. I have to find the papers, but I read this a few years ago, maybe someone else can find the reference before I remember where it is.
Ok, that's it for miss extensive research miss know it all.
I love your video. Always informative
I understand your frustration, it baffles the mind. I like your videos because you always mention about your own biases you also gives where and how you get your informations, but the problem we’re having these days is FACTS AND OPINIONS. Coworkers and friends will showed me an article because it backs up their opinion and I have to point out this guy or girl is an opinion writer. Keep up the excellent work. Peace
5:08 You touched on an important point here. Sometimes, we just need to live with the truth that we believe is true. LOL. I feel like we have entered into a philosophical and mathematical discussion of proof. Nonetheless, I get the point. We have this same problem with the Bible as we do with history (or "his"-story as the Rastaman would say). So, do we find proof from things more concrete such as archaeological evidence rather than those who make claims even through books? (We may decide to accept as truth claims that are corroborated by several people making claims in their books and hope they have not colluded in falsehood). Hmmm. Do you see the endless rabbit hole we have gone into?