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I remember laughing when it came out and the guy went close past the camera and I saw the same winder case for the Sony earbud headphones I had. Why wasn't there any attempt to disguise those? They were a very common item!
@@wintercat2605 You use what you can get , star wars model kits for Alien Nostromo and inside actual set TV back covers, in some movies they been so lazy they used whole model kit parts sheets, plane propellers look like fans , let put it here , as an model builder you see what it is .
The Oakley logo came from the visor. We got blanks from Oakley i think because Nilo had a relationship with them. The blanks were the base for Gargoyle style glasses they made at the time. The ear bud cases were a detail Greg added . He went to the drug store near his shop in Marina Del Rey and bought them. It was a fun job and working with Greg Jein and John Eaves was a time of my life i will never forget.
@@pirobot668beta Oh yeah, kind of expected. We did the same with miniatures. In fact in Total Recall ( original) the last shot of the film as the hero and heroine are looking over mars just to the right of his arm in the background is a pepsi can. ua-cam.com/video/ECxf_EhXxLc/v-deo.html
To expand on the "blanks" comment - Oakley designs the shape of the curve of their lenses to be 'optically perfect' (or similar marketing speak, "HDO optics", xyz technology, etc ) and that curve was used for producing the "blanks". They would be coated with the Oakley "iridium" tint in the larger "blank" size (various colors and "darkness" of the glasses), and then the blanks would get the m-frame lenses cut out of them (the wider, single piece covering both eyes style) or the eye jackets, (and maybe frogskins?) etc (that used two lenses). This looks to be a blue iridium lens blank mounted as the visor of the helmet.
I can hardly dispute your expertise since you worked on these helmets, but... did Nilo get more than the visor? Oakley makes full-head ski helmets with included visors. The suit helmet here looks like components were cut up from some commercial helmets. That'd be a likely source of an Oakley logo molded into the plastic back of a helmet. In a casual response here is it possible you remembered the visors and forgot the other detail? Perhaps once the helmet was made from various donor helmets the designer fit in the visors you remember.
@@donjones4719 No they were not made from existing components with exception of the visors and the ear bud cases on the sides. The helmet was sculpted in clay , molded and then cast in fiberglass resin. We had several visors we got from oakley and one was used in the original sculpt. And wile the sculpts on the helmets were good enough for film they were far from production quality you would see from oakley. They were also sculpted based on life casts from the actors which caused and issue when the actors were recast because they wanted larger people (body builders) in the suits. This meant the helmets didnt fit right, they were extremely tight on the new actors.
I was a model maker at Apogee during STMP, I was six feet tall and thin (not thin now). I was asked to wear the original studio made space suit,it was shot but not used. They needed a photo of someone in the old suit to help out the artists design the new suit. The original suit was a wet suit with bits glued on. The suit was vary tight on me so I couldn’t keep it on vary long. Luckily the shoot was just a few minutes. The hard bits of the suit were sculpted by I think Dave Sosola (not sure of the spelling of his name) out of Detroit clay and molded by John Erland. The soft parts were done at Apogee as well. A small motion controlled puppet was make for the Epsilon 9 sequence. I might have painted that one. I was just starting in the business and had a great time at Apoggee!
@@MasterMayhem78 pretty sure It's the same suit just painted white instead of orange. Captain Terrell is wearing the orange version. They famously had a low budget for Star Trek II and reused lots of props from STtMP.
I think they reused the suits and added handles to them. There was a white Kirk suit and an orange Spock suit in TMP so they would have had them for the sequel. Wrath of Kahn was a much cheaper production so they reused a lot from The Motion Picture.
I love two experts in their fields talking shop and seeing the knowledge transfer happen. Stephen knows so much about preservation and history of these suits, whereas Adam brings institutional knowledge of how these types of suits are built and is able to make educated guesses on certain design decisions. It highlights the reason I continue to follow Adam all of these years: no matter how much you know there's always room to learn and opportunities to pass on your knowledge.
As I'm sure you know, the Spock suit we see in TMP was a quick redesign after production abandoned the "memory wall" sequence (There's a quick glimpse of Kirk in the original suit in the extended TV cut). Douglas Trumbull conceived the high-speed, subjective-viewpoint "V'Ger spacewalk" to take its place and recommended the hemispherical, locked-down faceplate because it would be easier to superimpose "reflections" on it.
I remember the first time seeing this film, I was eight and had just had three teeth pulled. It was the late 80's so they gave me some pretty strong pain killers for my age. Mom brought me home and threw on this movie. Pretty wild stuff for a little dude on a controlled substance and a mouth full of gauze.
Thought: They might have changed it from blue to brown, because it would be filmed against a bluescreen backdrop for some of the FX shots. This same line of thinking is probably why most spaceships from the bluescreen era of FX work, were primarily white or gray with red and yellow markings.
It was killing me when they were talking about the power unit for Spock's suit. I can't believe even Adam didn't say anything about the wire with the 9V battery plug hanging from it. There's your power unit. Haha
Hah yeah, odd editing choice, i was literally saying "you mean the source where that 9V battery wire goes up to, that is now suddenly not visible to you guys". I think i spotted a door on the backpack, with 2 latches on top (or at least, it _looks_ like a door), there's probably a compartment for the batteries in there.
"Wrath of Khan" had a variation of the space suit with a handle on the front. Captain Clark Terrell and first officer Commander Pavel Chekov were wearing them while investigating Ceti Alpha V (VI).
The brown and orange colours of the 70's are a pallet for nightmares. I LOVE Spock, he and Data are the two souls I feel so much love for, I watch Star Treck mostly for them. I never realised just how WIDE the helmet on the orange one is, it's insane lol. I'm really impressed by how valuable a resource Adam is for these movie prop auction stores, his knowledge adds so much more to the props history.
That's Spock's Thruster Suit. It's an high speed MMU (Manned Maneuvering Unit) designed by Syd Mead. Spock ejects the thruster module after it's spent. You guys are missing the thruster pack.
It should be noted that design sketch was not done by Robert Fletcher, it was done by Jack Johnson at Apogee since they were responsible for the suit design/miniature and its filming. Fletcher was no doubt involved at some point in the design process since he had to make the actual garment(s) that makes up the actual "suit" worn worn by Nimoy (and Shatner) underneath the torso shell and helmet. But I believe (though I could be wrong) that with this costume, Apogee was the one with design lead responsibility for it since they were doing the miniatures filming, and this costume design worked backwards from that. I know Brick Price did the earlier "memory wall" version EVA suits (which Nimoy and Shatner hated because they were made of rubber) that got replaced by these designs, after the so-called "memory wall" sequence was scrapped (and the FX company Robert Abel & Associates were fired and replaced by Douglas Trumbull) and the "memory wall" scenes with Kirk and Spock were replaced by the "Spock walk" thruster suit fly-through sequence which was worked out and directed by FX director Trumbull, with Apogee Inc. doing the FX miniature construction and filming for the miniatures portion of the sequence (Trumbull's EEG did the other opticals FX for the sequences.
I had the opportunity to examine some of the filming models from Star Wars - Slave 1, the Corellian Frigate from the beginning of Episode IV, and some others. One of the things I particularly enjoyed was being able to identify some of the out-of-the-box model parts that were stuck on the models. Like aircraft landing gear on the side of the Frigate, or machine guns on the underside of Slave 1. The other thing I found interesting was just how 'rough' the models really were. I build models, know a lot of guys who do as well, and models built as a replica are much more polished and clean vs. how rough-and-ready the filming models are. it's amazing to me they look so good on-screen!
You knocked yourself out on this one Adam. Seeing those gloves that Spock used to initiat the thruster suit countdown was a really cool moment. And yes, the Wrath of Khan suits that followed hand a handle so Khan could pick people up Darth Vader style. Thank you for this awesome experience to see an old friend today!
The "Oakley" is there because Oakley actually designed the helmet and produced one as a pattern. The production crew then molded and cast copies to use on set. (Per "The Making of the Trek Films" 3rd edition, p128 as cited on Memory Alpha)
Stephen is correct, that same suit (or at least one just like it in form and color) was used again in STII: The Wrath of Khan by Captain Terrell and Chekov used another that was a different color. In that film they're virtually identical except for the addition of a handle just below the visor (which Khan uses to lift Chekov up off the ground with one arm). The other suit may itself be from STVI: The Undiscovered Country but the design of the suit minus the helmet also came from The Motion Picture and was used throughout the Kirk-era movies. You will therefore see a similarity in the stitching of the fabrics in both suits. It was meant as an Engineering utility suit, which Scotty actually wears for significant amount of screen time in the first two movies. I don't remember seeing the helmet before STVI, though, so it may have been designed specifically for that film.
Hahaha I absolutely love this moment right here @3:32 the way Adam looks up and then snaps in on the shoulder/chest area. It looks like he’s sizing up Spock 😂
The white suit is a variation of the ST2: The Wrath of Khan engineering suit. The two characters in the film wearing these suits are in the engineering department, so it makes sense.
They had them in TMP first. They kept modding them a bit through the movies, mainly just greeblie changes. I think ST:IV was the only movie where you didn't see a radiation suit.
The most likely reason why the back has so much more visible detail is that this costume was planned for Spock's personal investigation of the V'GER craft, & the ensuing psychological confrontation... The scene was designed to play out like 2001's psychedelic monolith encounter, but with the figure of Spock in the center of the frame from the rear as the audience is given an abstract indication of the alien mind-meld cut against a few (somewhat terrifying) close-up shots of Nimoy through the face shield.
A similar suit was used on the Wrath of Khan. Where Khan found Checkov in his camp and then lifted Checkov up using the handle under the chin of the suit. The suit was coloured in light grey.
I'll be honest. The Motion Picture did drone on. But, I did enjoy it. Think about it: it's the first movie after the Original Series. I think it was pretty good.
Worth noting that actual space suits do not have helmets that are fitted to the head (i.e. move with he head) like a motorcycle helmet, which many movie costumes do. Look at all the NASA EVA suits. They are shells which the person inside it moves their head around WITHIN the bubble/shell. This actually allows the wearer to rub their nose, cheek, etc. against a "scratch" numb that they have inside in case they itch on their face since you can't open up a visor, or take the helmet off while in space. So the suit in TMP is a more realistic design concept than most film space suits.
Both Spock's and Kirk's torsos and helmets had to be rigid so that match moves could be made on the reflected surface with Nimoy and Shatner inside and reacting to V'ger! The suits were bolted down during those long floating scenes-- of course there were miniatures made too.
@@paulbelci3945 Dec 7, 1979. I was at the Nashville Premiere. I was also 15 years old and realized on first viewing that the film ran a bit slow. The tempo has grown on me since and the Director's Cut fixes a lot of the pacing problems from the initial edit.
The two lights on the back of Spock's suit are the red left and green right light for port and starboard as if the suit was a spacecraft in and of it's self.
I wonder what happened to the attached thruster backpack. Or was that all done in miniature? I do remember Spock had a control handle with the thrust countdown shown.
The Spock suit is supposed to have a space manoeuvring capability built in separate to the thruster pack. The light installations are thruster locations that illuminate to give the impression of operating.
In the movie, when we see Spock inside the suit getting ready to ignite the suit's jets, it always looked to me like his head was superimposed into the helmet. It never really looks like he's actually in the suit. In UDC, the two assassins were yeoman Burke and Samno. This is the Samno suit, I wonder what happened to the Burke suit.
In a scene Chekov tells Kirk an airlock had been opened and a thruster suit is missing. (I don't remember if it was part of the deleted stuff.) So the orange suit isn't a 'space suit' but a 'thruster suit'.
If I had to guess, the Oakley branding may have more to do with the helmet base than product placement. I know Oakley currently has branded ski helmets, so I suspect they just used whatever the late 80s/early 90s equivalent was as the base of the helmet and didn't bother to take great pains to cover up the branding that probably wouldn't be seen.
The helmets were actually designed by Oakley and carved using catalyzing liquid resin. The production team then molded and cast copies of them. (Per "The Making of the Trek Films" 3rd edition, p128 as cited on Memory Alpha)
Funny what Adam will say when he has really little idea. Makes me question a lot of what he claims to know. Any Propmaker should understand that the base helmet was made by Oakley and given the placement of the logo, painting the back the same colour would hide the logo onscreen, especially back in the days of normal def and photochemical projection… The most likely answer is usually the right one.
The spacewalk suit needs a proper photo survey; it is much more interesting without the pack on, when you see how the ribbing wraps and how the suits are layered. There is another piece of 'finished' concept art with the browns nailed down and more refined drawing to it. It would be great to know what happened to the thruster pack too. The 'assassin suit' is a re-dress of the Engineering suits from Wrath of Khan; also used in other productions but dyed a darker orange for spacedock control, etc...
The Motion Picture is my favorite Star Trek movie, i love the plot and how slow paced it is. Plus it wasn't heavy on the bridge communication scenes (as opposed to the much praised Wrath of Khan). I wonder where the V'ger went.
Then i do have a fun fact for you, my fave Star Trek movie is The Voyage Home, love that movie so much, and i do see your point about The Motion Picture as well, just the amazing amount of details and amazing effects in that movie as well.
@@AlphaTrion92 I agree, i don't mind it getting a bad rep though. It kinda compares to me to Alien vs Aliens, i love Alien more than Aliens, because i love the exploring part, slow paced, getting introduced to the mystery etc., whereas the sequel focuses more on the action. Kinda similar to A New Hope vs Empire Strikes Back. They're all fine movies, but in these cases i prefer the first parts, because it was something new and different. Btw, i just checked Propstore, and they actually have an unsold V'ger interior model, estimated price of about 20-30K.. But i hope that they're going to take a look at it in these videos. It looks quite large, probably a meter or something. EDIT: just looked at the dimensions of the model, it's 221cm x 66.25cm x 71.25cm (87" x 26" x 28"), should be interesting enough to take a look at.
Now I'll have to go back and watch the first film again, or at least Spock's exploration of Vega - not a great film but has some stunning scenes & amazing design work. Undiscovered country I know much better - Stephen is right, the Undiscovered Country suit isn't a space suit, it's an engineering hazard suit, and yes similar suits were seen throughout the film series - though the helmet wasn't seen prior to Undiscovered Country - the headphone case is hilarious! Wish they had shown the boots, if they are there, they only mentioned them briefly so I guess they are missing like on Spock's suit? Same basic outer shell design for Spock's suit was re-used with the handle as Stephen says, for Wrath of Khan.
Yes, to the question he asks. In Star Trek II, Captain Terrell had a suit that looked like this one, except it had a handle added to the front. Checkov wore a white version, which also had the handle. So, I always assumed they took the orange suite from TMP and simply added a handle. But seeing this one here without the handle makes me wonder if they totally rebuilt Terrell's, or maybe had several of these. Hmm.
In ST:II I think another difference is the body of the space suit is on, while the helmet, can be taken off, but I don't think the helmet could actually be pulled off on Spock's suit shown here.
The Spock suit was designed for a "flying" scene so presumably mobility in the suit wasn't as much of an issue. I think they had a little one on a Gi-Joe for wide shots. They reused these for the first sequel where they did do some walking around in them.
7:01 - I think I recall the scene he's talking about... In 'Star Trek 2 - The Wrath of Khan', Khan lifts Chekov up into the air by the handle on the front of his suit.
Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country is not the last Star Trek movie to feature William Shatner as James T. Kirk . Star Trek : Generations in 1994 is .
Worked In the motorcycle industry for 25 years starting in the late 80s. The "iridium” coating on glasses and helmet wind screens was the newest trend and very expensive. I'll bet Oakley shopped that tech around as a marketing tool.
Yeah that Star Trek The motion picture suit is the showcase but the second suit is no slouch. Because that suit is also the engineering Rad suit from the wrath of Khan. The suit was eventually abandoned in later films . Eventually it was reused as a space suit in undiscovered country with that new helmet and a slight alteration. They removed the Gray collar. There were 3 rad engineering uniforms one that was white with and orange collar, one fully orange and one white with the gray collar. that was the one Scotty wore.
There's an interesting thing that I want to point out as an artist. In the drawing, you see a bunch of scribbles of color from markers. When you have to bleed your brake lines any time you change out a master cylinder in your car, you also need to bleed the marker to get an optimal flow with no air bubbles. You never see this in a finished work. To have the marker scribbles on a design mockup like this shows that it's an iteration that the artist would not have intended to show as a finished work and should increase the value of the piece as a collectible.
The suit from the undiscovered country, I think the helmet created for that movie, the suit itself was seen from the wrath of khan onwards in the TOS films as the people engine room were seeing similar uniforms, either with the black collar or a red collar
@@danloeser yep, and the insignia changed a bit, notably the branch color stripes on the shoulders, to match the updated colors on the maroon uniforms.
I think the detail in the back is down to the shots in that sequence where from the front, and the back, plus Spock had a thruster pack that he ejected once it burned out, so to have some detail under that was probably a good idea.
They must have used something similar for The Wrath of Khan for Chekov and Tyrell... Either making new ones or reusing them. It's been a long time so I don't recall how much they match this one. The second costume looks like it's a reuses of an engineers unform with the security helmet on it. Hilarious that they used the earbud holder because I had one like it. you put the buds in with the cord out the opening, close it and use the indentation to spin and pull in the cord.
Was the white suit really a space suit? I seem to remember that suit design appeared as the engineering uniform starting in the 1979 movie. I know it was in Wrath of Khan as well.
Yep, that is a "stereotype late 70s/early 80s" color. My parents bought the house they still live in in 1979, added wood paneling and dark green low-pile carpeting (that was probably sold as "grass replacement" or something) to the basement to turn it into the family room - and painted the concrete foundation/walls white with two stripes along the top - one brown, the other orange.
In regards to TMP suit, as others have said they used them with handles on the front for TWOK, but I thought they used the same suits? Did this one get restored or was the handle added and easily removed?
I think they are different, Nimoy was taller than Paul Winfield or Walter Koenig. Also, I don't think the helmet on this particular thruster suit comes off like they did in ST:II. But yeah, why would they remove the attached handle after filming and repaint the suit or fix the blemish caused by ripping off the handle afterwards. This has got to be an entirely different suit from TMP.
I don't see any evidence of the handle added to the torso just below the helmet for TWOK. The tan suit (originally worn by Kirk in TMP) worn by Chekov had Khan grabbing that handle to lift him. The orange/red suit worn by Paul Winfield also had the handle. Given I don't see any screw holes, I wonder if it was just stuck on assuming it was the same suit. The hard torso with integrated helmet design was based on the shuttle era EMU suit which was being developed at the time. The Soviets used a similar approach with the Orlan suit, although they added the refrigerator style entry door in the backpack.
Adam, ever consider building a life size Original Star Trek set replica? There’s a fella in Ticonderoga who did just that. Seems like you could pull it off in no time!
Personally I never saw the one on the left as a 'spacesuit'. it's an engineering radiation suit with a security helmet. Though it's bizarre that the assassins would have worn uniforms with nametags on them.
I just found a behind the scenes photo. It looks like there were never any boots as such. Just slip on shoes the same colour as the suit with rubber soles. In the photo I saw (don't think I can share it here) he's not wearing the spats so you can see the slippers. They might have been orange on the inside and brown on the outside, it's hard to tell.
Wait.. I remember the handle on the front of the torso piece in The Wrath of Khan, where Khan lifts Checkov off his feet by the suit front when they are discovered in the Botany Bay encampment.
That would have been the EV suit for "Samno" and his partner "Burke" The boots were a plot point because they were "magnetic gravity boots" and finding the boots was a red herring item that led them around to other "suspects" who didn't wear boots.
I do vaguely remember a shot from the top of Spocks head where you can see just the front lip of his helmet... but I haven't double checked to see if this vague memory is a real memory
Given the extreme budget limitations on The Wrath of Khan this is almost certainly the same suit used for both Spock and Terrell, the handle was just a temporary addition for the Khan super-strength gag.
Apparently I'm a trekkie, I knew immediately Stephen was talking Wrath and it's handles on the suits that were there purely so Khan could lift up poor Chekov.
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In Star Trek Picard there is plenty of product placement. Mainly Telsa and SpaceX.
I worked on those helmets for undiscovered country. So happy to see them in good condition and cared for.
I remember laughing when it came out and the guy went close past the camera and I saw the same winder case for the Sony earbud headphones I had. Why wasn't there any attempt to disguise those? They were a very common item!
@@wintercat2605 And now nobody under 30 will likely know what the hell they are 🙂
@@wintercat2605 You use what you can get , star wars model kits for Alien Nostromo and inside actual set TV back covers, in some movies they been so lazy they used whole model kit parts sheets, plane propellers look like fans , let put it here , as an model builder you see what it is .
That's the coolest part of the costume. Really holds up, wouldn't look out of place in today's sci-fi really. Neat.
The Oakley logo came from the visor. We got blanks from Oakley i think because Nilo had a relationship with them. The blanks were the base for Gargoyle style glasses they made at the time. The ear bud cases were a detail Greg added . He went to the drug store near his shop in Marina Del Rey and bought them. It was a fun job and working with Greg Jein and John Eaves was a time of my life i will never forget.
Earbud cases over the ears...where else would they go?
I'm starting to think that every costume/prop has 'in-jokes'!
@@pirobot668beta Oh yeah, kind of expected. We did the same with miniatures. In fact in Total Recall ( original) the last shot of the film as the hero and heroine are looking over mars just to the right of his arm in the background is a pepsi can. ua-cam.com/video/ECxf_EhXxLc/v-deo.html
To expand on the "blanks" comment - Oakley designs the shape of the curve of their lenses to be 'optically perfect' (or similar marketing speak, "HDO optics", xyz technology, etc ) and that curve was used for producing the "blanks". They would be coated with the Oakley "iridium" tint in the larger "blank" size (various colors and "darkness" of the glasses), and then the blanks would get the m-frame lenses cut out of them (the wider, single piece covering both eyes style) or the eye jackets, (and maybe frogskins?) etc (that used two lenses). This looks to be a blue iridium lens blank mounted as the visor of the helmet.
I can hardly dispute your expertise since you worked on these helmets, but... did Nilo get more than the visor? Oakley makes full-head ski helmets with included visors. The suit helmet here looks like components were cut up from some commercial helmets. That'd be a likely source of an Oakley logo molded into the plastic back of a helmet.
In a casual response here is it possible you remembered the visors and forgot the other detail? Perhaps once the helmet was made from various donor helmets the designer fit in the visors you remember.
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No they were not made from existing components with exception of the visors and the ear bud cases on the sides. The helmet was sculpted in clay , molded and then cast in fiberglass resin. We had several visors we got from oakley and one was used in the original sculpt. And wile the sculpts on the helmets were good enough for film they were far from production quality you would see from oakley. They were also sculpted based on life casts from the actors which caused and issue when the actors were recast because they wanted larger people (body builders) in the suits. This meant the helmets didnt fit right, they were extremely tight on the new actors.
I was a model maker at Apogee during STMP, I was six feet tall and thin (not thin now). I was asked to wear the original studio made space suit,it was shot but not used. They needed a photo of someone in the old suit to help out the artists design the new suit. The original suit was a wet suit with bits glued on. The suit was vary tight on me so I couldn’t keep it on vary long. Luckily the shoot was just a few minutes. The hard bits of the suit were sculpted by I think Dave Sosola (not sure of the spelling of his name) out of Detroit clay and molded by John Erland. The soft parts were done at Apogee as well. A small motion controlled puppet was make for the Epsilon 9 sequence. I might have painted that one. I was just starting in the business and had a great time at Apoggee!
Is there a through line from the Apogee that you worked at to the Apogee software company? The logos look to similar to be a coincidence.
Yes, it was in the Wrath of Khan, when Khan lifted Chekov off the floor in the crashed spaceship Botany Bay.
Wrong suit but very similar.
Yep. You beat me to it. As soon as he put his fist up in the front of the suit, I immediately saw the scene where Khan lifted Chekov in my memory.
@@MasterMayhem78 pretty sure It's the same suit just painted white instead of orange. Captain Terrell is wearing the orange version. They famously had a low budget for Star Trek II and reused lots of props from STtMP.
Not in the Botany Bay - In a Starfleet cargo container. Khan and his crew abandoned Botany Bay in space after they seized Enterprise in Space Seed!
I think they reused the suits and added handles to them. There was a white Kirk suit and an orange Spock suit in TMP so they would have had them for the sequel. Wrath of Kahn was a much cheaper production so they reused a lot from The Motion Picture.
I love two experts in their fields talking shop and seeing the knowledge transfer happen. Stephen knows so much about preservation and history of these suits, whereas Adam brings institutional knowledge of how these types of suits are built and is able to make educated guesses on certain design decisions. It highlights the reason I continue to follow Adam all of these years: no matter how much you know there's always room to learn and opportunities to pass on your knowledge.
me too, I have been loving these videos
Appreciate the kind comment! We will pass it along to Adam!
I’m kind of surprised they aren’t wearing gloves when they handle cloth. I know it’s not the Smithsonian. But finger oils degrade fabric.
As I'm sure you know, the Spock suit we see in TMP was a quick redesign after production abandoned the "memory wall" sequence (There's a quick glimpse of Kirk in the original suit in the extended TV cut). Douglas Trumbull conceived the high-speed, subjective-viewpoint "V'Ger spacewalk" to take its place and recommended the hemispherical, locked-down faceplate because it would be easier to superimpose "reflections" on it.
I remember the first time seeing this film, I was eight and had just had three teeth pulled. It was the late 80's so they gave me some pretty strong pain killers for my age. Mom brought me home and threw on this movie. Pretty wild stuff for a little dude on a controlled substance and a mouth full of gauze.
Thought: They might have changed it from blue to brown, because it would be filmed against a bluescreen backdrop for some of the FX shots. This same line of thinking is probably why most spaceships from the bluescreen era of FX work, were primarily white or gray with red and yellow markings.
It was killing me when they were talking about the power unit for Spock's suit. I can't believe even Adam didn't say anything about the wire with the 9V battery plug hanging from it. There's your power unit. Haha
Hah yeah, odd editing choice, i was literally saying "you mean the source where that 9V battery wire goes up to, that is now suddenly not visible to you guys".
I think i spotted a door on the backpack, with 2 latches on top (or at least, it _looks_ like a door), there's probably a compartment for the batteries in there.
@@Games_and_Music yep, I was thinking the same thing about the little door.
Probably a good idea tov emove or disconnect that battery if your preserving the prop 😬
"Wrath of Khan" had a variation of the space suit with a handle on the front. Captain Clark Terrell and first officer Commander Pavel Chekov were wearing them while investigating Ceti Alpha V (VI).
Nerd. LOL Naming people and places, not just the movie
Exactly my thought. I must have watched 'Wrath of Khan' ten times over the years.
@@gerryg505 I must have watched WoK eleven times over the years.
The brown and orange colours of the 70's are a pallet for nightmares.
I LOVE Spock, he and Data are the two souls I feel so much love for, I watch Star Treck mostly for them.
I never realised just how WIDE the helmet on the orange one is, it's insane lol.
I'm really impressed by how valuable a resource Adam is for these movie prop auction stores, his knowledge adds so much more to the props history.
That's Spock's Thruster Suit. It's an high speed MMU (Manned Maneuvering Unit) designed by Syd Mead. Spock ejects the thruster module after it's spent. You guys are missing the thruster pack.
It should be noted that design sketch was not done by Robert Fletcher, it was done by Jack Johnson at Apogee since they were responsible for the suit design/miniature and its filming. Fletcher was no doubt involved at some point in the design process since he had to make the actual garment(s) that makes up the actual "suit" worn worn by Nimoy (and Shatner) underneath the torso shell and helmet.
But I believe (though I could be wrong) that with this costume, Apogee was the one with design lead responsibility for it since they were doing the miniatures filming, and this costume design worked backwards from that.
I know Brick Price did the earlier "memory wall" version EVA suits (which Nimoy and Shatner hated because they were made of rubber) that got replaced by these designs, after the so-called "memory wall" sequence was scrapped (and the FX company Robert Abel & Associates were fired and replaced by Douglas Trumbull) and the "memory wall" scenes with Kirk and Spock were replaced by the "Spock walk" thruster suit fly-through sequence which was worked out and directed by FX director Trumbull, with Apogee Inc. doing the FX miniature construction and filming for the miniatures portion of the sequence (Trumbull's EEG did the other opticals FX for the sequences.
I had the opportunity to examine some of the filming models from Star Wars - Slave 1, the Corellian Frigate from the beginning of Episode IV, and some others. One of the things I particularly enjoyed was being able to identify some of the out-of-the-box model parts that were stuck on the models. Like aircraft landing gear on the side of the Frigate, or machine guns on the underside of Slave 1. The other thing I found interesting was just how 'rough' the models really were. I build models, know a lot of guys who do as well, and models built as a replica are much more polished and clean vs. how rough-and-ready the filming models are. it's amazing to me they look so good on-screen!
Should have seen the moon landings models
@@13panda13 yep, shits fake as fuck
You knocked yourself out on this one Adam. Seeing those gloves that Spock used to initiat the thruster suit countdown was a really cool moment. And yes, the Wrath of Khan suits that followed hand a handle so Khan could pick people up Darth Vader style. Thank you for this awesome experience to see an old friend today!
The "Oakley" is there because Oakley actually designed the helmet and produced one as a pattern. The production crew then molded and cast copies to use on set.
(Per "The Making of the Trek Films" 3rd edition, p128 as cited on Memory Alpha)
Stephen is correct, that same suit (or at least one just like it in form and color) was used again in STII: The Wrath of Khan by Captain Terrell and Chekov used another that was a different color. In that film they're virtually identical except for the addition of a handle just below the visor (which Khan uses to lift Chekov up off the ground with one arm). The other suit may itself be from STVI: The Undiscovered Country but the design of the suit minus the helmet also came from The Motion Picture and was used throughout the Kirk-era movies. You will therefore see a similarity in the stitching of the fabrics in both suits. It was meant as an Engineering utility suit, which Scotty actually wears for significant amount of screen time in the first two movies. I don't remember seeing the helmet before STVI, though, so it may have been designed specifically for that film.
Hahaha I absolutely love this moment right here @3:32 the way Adam looks up and then snaps in on the shoulder/chest area. It looks like he’s sizing up Spock 😂
The white suit is a variation of the ST2: The Wrath of Khan engineering suit. The two characters in the film wearing these suits are in the engineering department, so it makes sense.
They had them in TMP first. They kept modding them a bit through the movies, mainly just greeblie changes. I think ST:IV was the only movie where you didn't see a radiation suit.
The most likely reason why the back has so much more visible detail is that this costume was planned for Spock's personal investigation of the V'GER craft, & the ensuing psychological confrontation...
The scene was designed to play out like 2001's psychedelic monolith encounter, but with the figure of Spock in the center of the frame from the rear as the audience is given an abstract indication of the alien mind-meld cut against a few (somewhat terrifying) close-up shots of Nimoy through the face shield.
A similar suit was used on the Wrath of Khan. Where Khan found Checkov in his camp and then lifted Checkov up using the handle under the chin of the suit. The suit was coloured in light grey.
I am so looking forward to seeing Adam work on star trek props and costumes.
I'll be honest. The Motion Picture did drone on. But, I did enjoy it. Think about it: it's the first movie after the Original Series. I think it was pretty good.
My favourite trek film. Love the design of these suits.
That orange suit is just amazing❤
Worth noting that actual space suits do not have helmets that are fitted to the head (i.e. move with he head) like a motorcycle helmet, which many movie costumes do. Look at all the NASA EVA suits. They are shells which the person inside it moves their head around WITHIN the bubble/shell. This actually allows the wearer to rub their nose, cheek, etc. against a "scratch" numb that they have inside in case they itch on their face since you can't open up a visor, or take the helmet off while in space. So the suit in TMP is a more realistic design concept than most film space suits.
Both Spock's and Kirk's torsos and helmets had to be rigid so that match moves could be made on the reflected surface with Nimoy and Shatner inside and reacting to V'ger! The suits were bolted down during those long floating scenes-- of course there were miniatures made too.
Amazing video, Mr Savage!! As always, you are an incredible help to all of us that love and geek-out over all the details!!
It is great to see a props from Star Trek. Such different look. Saw the Motion Picture in the movies back in 78.
That's odd. How did you see a movie in '78 when it didn't come out in theatres until DECEMBER of '79?
@@Shawn47 I seem to have date wrong. My apologies
@@paulbelci3945 Dec 7, 1979. I was at the Nashville Premiere. I was also 15 years old and realized on first viewing that the film ran a bit slow.
The tempo has grown on me since and the Director's Cut fixes a lot of the pacing problems from the initial edit.
The two lights on the back of Spock's suit are the red left and green right light for port and starboard as if the suit was a spacecraft in and of it's self.
I wonder what happened to the attached thruster backpack. Or was that all done in miniature? I do remember Spock had a control handle with the thrust countdown shown.
And essentially that's what a space suit (especially an EVA suit) is - a form-fitting one-person spacecraft.
The Spock suit is supposed to have a space manoeuvring capability built in separate to the thruster pack. The light installations are thruster locations that illuminate to give the impression of operating.
OMG, what an honor. :(......R.I.P Leonord Nimoy. A legend
Hello Adam. I just thought making a foam patten of Spock's space suit would a great project to do together. Pattern making is my THING!! Ha ha.
TWOK had the handles mounted on the front for Khan to grab. Both actors were much shorter than Nimoy, so there were at least 3 suits produced.
In the movie, when we see Spock inside the suit getting ready to ignite the suit's jets, it always looked to me like his head was superimposed into the helmet. It never really looks like he's actually in the suit.
In UDC, the two assassins were yeoman Burke and Samno. This is the Samno suit, I wonder what happened to the Burke suit.
Undiscovered Country helmet is a HUGE shout out to Gort! Can they not see that??
The handle was in Wrath of Kahn. Didn't Kahn pick up Chekov by the handle on front?
yes
"Tell me... WHY are you here?"
What a fantastic piece. And to think Spock used that to explore her V'ger.
Thanks love ya man!
In a scene Chekov tells Kirk an airlock had been opened and a thruster suit is missing. (I don't remember if it was part of the deleted stuff.) So the orange suit isn't a 'space suit' but a 'thruster suit'.
If I had to guess, the Oakley branding may have more to do with the helmet base than product placement. I know Oakley currently has branded ski helmets, so I suspect they just used whatever the late 80s/early 90s equivalent was as the base of the helmet and didn't bother to take great pains to cover up the branding that probably wouldn't be seen.
That was my thought as well.
The helmets were actually designed by Oakley and carved using catalyzing liquid resin. The production team then molded and cast copies of them. (Per "The Making of the Trek Films" 3rd edition, p128 as cited on Memory Alpha)
Funny what Adam will say when he has really little idea. Makes me question a lot of what he claims to know. Any Propmaker should understand that the base helmet was made by Oakley and given the placement of the logo, painting the back the same colour would hide the logo onscreen, especially back in the days of normal def and photochemical projection… The most likely answer is usually the right one.
The spacewalk suit needs a proper photo survey; it is much more interesting without the pack on, when you see how the ribbing wraps and how the suits are layered. There is another piece of 'finished' concept art with the browns nailed down and more refined drawing to it. It would be great to know what happened to the thruster pack too.
The 'assassin suit' is a re-dress of the Engineering suits from Wrath of Khan; also used in other productions but dyed a darker orange for spacedock control, etc...
The Motion Picture is my favorite Star Trek movie, i love the plot and how slow paced it is.
Plus it wasn't heavy on the bridge communication scenes (as opposed to the much praised Wrath of Khan).
I wonder where the V'ger went.
Then i do have a fun fact for you, my fave Star Trek movie is The Voyage Home, love that movie so much, and i do see your point about The Motion Picture as well, just the amazing amount of details and amazing effects in that movie as well.
@@AlphaTrion92 I agree, i don't mind it getting a bad rep though.
It kinda compares to me to Alien vs Aliens, i love Alien more than Aliens, because i love the exploring part, slow paced, getting introduced to the mystery etc., whereas the sequel focuses more on the action.
Kinda similar to A New Hope vs Empire Strikes Back.
They're all fine movies, but in these cases i prefer the first parts, because it was something new and different.
Btw, i just checked Propstore, and they actually have an unsold V'ger interior model, estimated price of about 20-30K..
But i hope that they're going to take a look at it in these videos.
It looks quite large, probably a meter or something.
EDIT: just looked at the dimensions of the model, it's 221cm x 66.25cm x 71.25cm (87" x 26" x 28"), should be interesting enough to take a look at.
Loving the orange and brown suit.
Now I'll have to go back and watch the first film again, or at least Spock's exploration of Vega - not a great film but has some stunning scenes & amazing design work. Undiscovered country I know much better - Stephen is right, the Undiscovered Country suit isn't a space suit, it's an engineering hazard suit, and yes similar suits were seen throughout the film series - though the helmet wasn't seen prior to Undiscovered Country - the headphone case is hilarious! Wish they had shown the boots, if they are there, they only mentioned them briefly so I guess they are missing like on Spock's suit? Same basic outer shell design for Spock's suit was re-used with the handle as Stephen says, for Wrath of Khan.
Yes, to the question he asks. In Star Trek II, Captain Terrell had a suit that looked like this one, except it had a handle added to the front. Checkov wore a white version, which also had the handle. So, I always assumed they took the orange suite from TMP and simply added a handle. But seeing this one here without the handle makes me wonder if they totally rebuilt Terrell's, or maybe had several of these. Hmm.
In ST:II I think another difference is the body of the space suit is on, while the helmet, can be taken off, but I don't think the helmet could actually be pulled off on Spock's suit shown here.
The temp tattoo is a cool idea
The Spock suit was designed for a "flying" scene so presumably mobility in the suit wasn't as much of an issue. I think they had a little one on a Gi-Joe for wide shots. They reused these for the first sequel where they did do some walking around in them.
I love the trapunto quilted "constant volume joints" at the elbows.
Steve Neill had done castings based on the small suit model a few years ago (i.e. from molds taken from the original miniature).
The handled version was in Wrath of Khan, so that Khan could pick up Checkov.
The assassins in Trek 6 were Burke and Samno. So, that's Samno's suit. Sweet find!!
Was the TUC suit a modification of the TMP/TWOK engineering suit?
The Undiscovered Country Helmet is a modified Oakley Ski Helmet
I think the lights on the corners of the backpack are meant to be little RCS thrusters.
Wow! The original suits. Incredible. Wonder what the Star Wars inquisitor figure and behind the figure B17 model are from?
7:01 - I think I recall the scene he's talking about... In 'Star Trek 2 - The Wrath of Khan', Khan lifts Chekov up into the air by the handle on the front of his suit.
The electrical connector @ 10:46 is actually a part to a sliding closet door I have several including the one on my screen used suit.
Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country is not the last Star Trek movie to feature William Shatner as James T. Kirk . Star Trek : Generations in 1994 is .
Worked In the motorcycle industry for 25 years starting in the late 80s. The "iridium” coating on glasses and helmet wind screens was the newest trend and very expensive. I'll bet Oakley shopped that tech around as a marketing tool.
Isn't the grab handle on the chest missing? Or was that the Wrath of Khan iteration of the suit.
Awesome suits
Yeah that's amazing. Not gonna lie that Grand Inquisitor statue kept stealing my attention.
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That Helmut from Undiscovered Country looks like a call back to Gort.
Yeah that Star Trek The motion picture suit is the showcase but the second suit is no slouch. Because that suit is also the engineering Rad suit from the wrath of Khan. The suit was eventually abandoned in later films . Eventually it was reused as a space suit in undiscovered country with that new helmet and a slight alteration. They removed the Gray collar. There were 3 rad engineering uniforms one that was white with and orange collar, one fully orange and one white with the gray collar. that was the one Scotty wore.
Awesome!
Last Kirk was Generations. Neat video...
There's an interesting thing that I want to point out as an artist. In the drawing, you see a bunch of scribbles of color from markers. When you have to bleed your brake lines any time you change out a master cylinder in your car, you also need to bleed the marker to get an optimal flow with no air bubbles. You never see this in a finished work. To have the marker scribbles on a design mockup like this shows that it's an iteration that the artist would not have intended to show as a finished work and should increase the value of the piece as a collectible.
Now we're taking... proper spacesuits! :D
The suit from the undiscovered country, I think the helmet created for that movie, the suit itself was seen from the wrath of khan onwards in the TOS films as the people engine room were seeing similar uniforms, either with the black collar or a red collar
Actually in TMP first. They changed the greeblies on them a bit for subsequent movies.
They removed the belt buckle monitor dealies for one thing.
@@thedoctor755 oh yeah you're correct. I think I noticed it more in the Wrath of Khan as Scotty was seen wearing the version with the black collar
@@danloeser yep, and the insignia changed a bit, notably the branch color stripes on the shoulders, to match the updated colors on the maroon uniforms.
@@wink1eafc774 yeah, I'm trying to remember if Scotty wore a rad suit in TMP. Maybe only in TWoK... now I need to rewatch TMP :)
I remember my father taking me to go see the first Star Trek movie when I was a kid.
I think the detail in the back is down to the shots in that sequence where from the front, and the back, plus Spock had a thruster pack that he ejected once it burned out, so to have some detail under that was probably a good idea.
They must have used something similar for The Wrath of Khan for Chekov and Tyrell... Either making new ones or reusing them. It's been a long time so I don't recall how much they match this one.
The second costume looks like it's a reuses of an engineers unform with the security helmet on it. Hilarious that they used the earbud holder because I had one like it. you put the buds in with the cord out the opening, close it and use the indentation to spin and pull in the cord.
Was the white suit really a space suit? I seem to remember that suit design appeared as the engineering uniform starting in the 1979 movie. I know it was in Wrath of Khan as well.
There's Eagle Transporter details on the back of the orange Spock suit !
This is a new Spacesuit project for Adam!
That helmet and profile gives me very GORT vibes from "The Day The Earth Stood Still"
Out of the last 5ish videos posted, 3 of them mentioned making a space suit out of foam. Foreshadowing?
10:48 - This helmet looks like it was loosely based upon Gort, the robot from the movie, 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'.
Yep, that is a "stereotype late 70s/early 80s" color. My parents bought the house they still live in in 1979, added wood paneling and dark green low-pile carpeting (that was probably sold as "grass replacement" or something) to the basement to turn it into the family room - and painted the concrete foundation/walls white with two stripes along the top - one brown, the other orange.
In regards to TMP suit, as others have said they used them with handles on the front for TWOK, but I thought they used the same suits? Did this one get restored or was the handle added and easily removed?
I think they are different, Nimoy was taller than Paul Winfield or Walter Koenig. Also, I don't think the helmet on this particular thruster suit comes off like they did in ST:II. But yeah, why would they remove the attached handle after filming and repaint the suit or fix the blemish caused by ripping off the handle afterwards. This has got to be an entirely different suit from TMP.
Wasn't the Spock suit reused in Wrath of Khan?
Undiscovered Country is unbelievably underrated
agreed, it's my favorite Trek film to date.
I don't see any evidence of the handle added to the torso just below the helmet for TWOK. The tan suit (originally worn by Kirk in TMP) worn by Chekov had Khan grabbing that handle to lift him. The orange/red suit worn by Paul Winfield also had the handle. Given I don't see any screw holes, I wonder if it was just stuck on assuming it was the same suit.
The hard torso with integrated helmet design was based on the shuttle era EMU suit which was being developed at the time. The Soviets used a similar approach with the Orlan suit, although they added the refrigerator style entry door in the backpack.
Undiscovered Countries was based on the Engineering uniform work suit and the center piece is for a respirator.
They had a similar suit on Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan when Chekov had the bug creature put inside his helmet and went into his ear.
Love it
Adam, ever consider building a life size Original Star Trek set replica? There’s a fella in Ticonderoga who did just that. Seems like you could pull it off in no time!
Personally I never saw the one on the left as a 'spacesuit'. it's an engineering radiation suit with a security helmet.
Though it's bizarre that the assassins would have worn uniforms with nametags on them.
How did they miss the 9-volt battery connector dangling down?
I just found a behind the scenes photo. It looks like there were never any boots as such. Just slip on shoes the same colour as the suit with rubber soles. In the photo I saw (don't think I can share it here) he's not wearing the spats so you can see the slippers. They might have been orange on the inside and brown on the outside, it's hard to tell.
They reused the space suit from TMP in TWOK. Also the trek 6 suit is the engineering costume created for TMP
I assume the orange suit was Nimoy-worn in Tmp?
Wait.. I remember the handle on the front of the torso piece in The Wrath of Khan, where Khan lifts Checkov off his feet by the suit front when they are discovered in the Botany Bay encampment.
That would have been the EV suit for "Samno" and his partner "Burke" The boots were a plot point because they were "magnetic gravity boots" and finding the boots was a red herring item that led them around to other "suspects" who didn't wear boots.
A-ma-zing! Now some NASA spacesuits, please.
I think by rewatching, I've memorized the look of Star Trek 8's SpaceSuits.
The Starfleet SHIP mounted up and to the back I have to know about!! PLEASE!!!!
Chekov: Now with Easy-Grip Handle!
I do vaguely remember a shot from the top of Spocks head where you can see just the front lip of his helmet... but I haven't double checked to see if this vague memory is a real memory
That was the costume design that also made Paul Winfield look a super-sized Reese's Cup.
Given the extreme budget limitations on The Wrath of Khan this is almost certainly the same suit used for both Spock and Terrell, the handle was just a temporary addition for the Khan super-strength gag.
Apparently I'm a trekkie, I knew immediately Stephen was talking Wrath and it's handles on the suits that were there purely so Khan could lift up poor Chekov.