Literally some of the best tv I've ever seen? I can't believe something this good exists, I feel so blessed to be witnessing this in real time. The acting, the scripts, the direction, the editing, the set and costume design...AHHHHH it's so perfect
Louis purged all the blood he drank from Madeleine because he was deeply disturbed by turning her and Armand found him numb with all the blood spilled on the floor. It was a short scene but powerful imo.
@@meri5173 ohhhh...I was so confused about where all that blood on the floor came from. Thanks for explaining 😊 It really shows that making a vampire isn't something to be taken lightly. For as old as they are, even Lestat and Armand haven't created as many vampires as we'd expect desperately lonely creatures like them to have done by now.
@@cyanrose499 Armand, until Daniel, had created 0 vampires[ in 400-ish years give or take]. Lestat, by book four or five, had created at least 6 vampires[ in something like only 200 to maybe 300 years]. But, to be fair, Armand's coven before going to France had a lot of rules about when creating new vampires was and wasn't permissible and his whole entire job in France was essentially to get the Paris vampires in line with his prior coven's rules for vampire living.
Armand is my absolute favorite character, he is a perfect encapsulation of the concept of "trauma doesn't make you good, it just makes you traumatized." Armand is characterized as absolutely pathetic, delicate, broken, all these things that make it clear he was horrifically victimized before even becoming a vampire. We see how he still idealizes his maker despite him having been abused and groomed by him even hundreds of years after, how he constantly bends around other people and lets himself get pushed around, only for us to see the true horror of his maladaption. All the vampires fear loneliness but Armand above all others seems convinced no one will ever stay unless he makes them and changes himself, and he doesn't even seem to realize how tragic that is as to him it just seems like an obvious observation of reality. Armand was shattered before even becoming a vampire, he isn't even sure of any name for himself that wasn't given by those who abused him, and his tragedy and self destruction is very bad news for anyone who runs into him.
Assad Zaman is absolutely fabulous. I just cant enough of Armand. He is perfect. ❤ Cant wait to see more of his past in the next season and the story of Devil's Minion. Yes episode 5 for me is the best thing ever.
@@urmimaladev1799 an Armand-centered season covering The Vampire Armand (and maybe Blood and Gold) would drive me insane for the rest of the year. My heart can't take that much Assad Zaman 🥺
@@urmimaladev1799 he was cast perfectly as Armand. The big innocent eyes while being a scheming gremlin, he captured the dual nature of a vampire who's lived for so long to be manipulative but also sympathetic (and even pitiful) at the same time
@@urmimaladev1799 anybody notice how his eyes vibrate each time hes says "hes fine" just fine" especially the last time?? armant is craazy powerful! cannot wait to see how the devils minion plays out
gosh this is my favorite show ever, and i have never read the books, idk but i feel like that makes it more special for me??? i would love love to see more of your comments like people really need to talk more about this show
Oh, we're on the same page. Never read the books and IWTV is definitely one of my favourite shows, I'm completely obsessed with it. I don't even want to touch the books because I want to experience everything for the first time when I watch the show.
That scene in New Orleans broke me. It was the one & only time we saw the real lestat. He wasn’t filtered by another character’s memories & IT WAS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE HOPED FOR. Just like the books, interview is ultimately a flawed retelling of one character’s truth. The point is that Louis is an unreliable narrator. He lies purposely. He lies to himself. He misremembers decades old events. His pov is colored by trauma. He is manipulated by pretty much everyone around him. & now in the show we see his memories were actively tampered w/ by Armand. There is a reason why many Rice fans prefer the vampire lestat & queen of the damned books. SEASON 3 IS GOING TO BE FOR US
Okay, but something a lot of people seem to forget is that Lestat's POV[ in the books] can actually be just as subjectively biased and/or flawed too, just from a different angle.
Your video was so good I wish it was longer😭💕 I absolutely loved both seasons of the show and I impressed with how much forward-planning they did to make the two seasons feel like two halves of a whole story where the truth lies somewhere in between. Even the parts that contradicted one another felt less like a complete change or retcon, but more like the different character perspectives and played into the theme of unreliable memories really well. And I agree, having a more detailed recollection of what happened between Louis and Lestat in the episode 5 fight didn't change my feelings much, however it did serve to paint a more clear picture of Louis' character and how he's just as vicious as the other vampires whereas in season 1 we were mostly seeing Louis as the poor, innocent baby vampire who needs protection at all costs 🥺👉👈
@@cyanrose499 Thank you! I completely agree with you about how the story contradictions don’t feel like retcons, but like you’re seeing different perspectives.
I'm interested in knowing more about Armand's moral relationship to his vampire identity. He is not, after all, a blase killer as Lestat. He isn't exactly proud of what he is. After all, he has a preference to only feed from bad people or those who actually want to die, and takes away their fear before taking their life, he'll hold you and make it nice whereas Lestat will simply rip out your jugular. As a coven leader, he did not participate in the killings onstage, and preferred to think of the people killed as "sacrifices" rather than victims and believed- or pretended to believe- that they "honored the blood" in their ritualistic consumption and disposal. He can't stand the thought of turning anyone into a vampire and attempted to talk Madeline out of what she was getting herself into. Not that he's a good guy or an overly moral person- he's clearly not- but he's also a person of conscience. He may not refrain from attacking humans as Louis does, he may not even feel guilty per se, but he has an emotional need to justify killing that most of the other vampires simply do not, and he engages with it on his own terms. You could argue that he has a measure of compassion in how must engage with humans, even as he is ruthlessly self interested in his personal relationships to other vampires. He's deeply complicated and layered, sympathetic if not trustworthy.
We have to keep in my mind that s1 the fight was from Claudia's pov she saw Lestat as stronger than life she didn't even see that he had blood on his face , while Lestat didn't remember Claudia trying to get in the middle of the fight he only had eyes for Louis 🥺🥺 You can fit the 2 scenes together they are the same ,there are even videos of the 2 fights together
the writing is aamaaaaziiing! how about armands monlogue to daniel when hes about to kill him??? chefs frigging kiss of writing! edit im digging the rough edges of louie in this version. i always found his character to be a bit too idk... softish. if thats a word lol. i like the louis that tells the ancient vampire hes going to walk down to audibon park, throw his head to the lions and laugh. i like i own the night liberty street louis
I'm so glad you shared your thoughts after season 2, same as after season 1. Thank you for such excellent/thoughtful video discussions! And here's to hoping you will continue sharing your thoughts again after future seasons as well!!!💖😊💖
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 Thank you! 💖This is one of the kindest comments I’ve received. I really enjoy making the videos and am always happy to see people engage with them.
I hadn’t even read the books before S1 and it was obvious he was telling “his” side. There’s always going to be bias… I’ve since read several and it’s still obvious. LDPDL is amazing. I really hope he’s incorporated some how in S3…
Completely aside from your immaculate analysis and commentary, your voice is so calming and easy to listen to! Also I think it’s very possible show Louis will grapple with his connection to humanity as a longer series arch. Since he takes such a backseat in later book I think it’s smart to leave room for development in his most memorable quality to make sure we have substantial growth for him over the entire show. I think we will see this as he guides Daniel and sees first hand how Daniel reacts to loosing his humanity. And in his recognition that Lestat also seeks to maintain a relationship with humanity in his own way through art and creating relationships with mortals. At this point I think Louis sees himself as alone in this but I think as they rebuild their relationship he will see that Lestat does feel very similarly to him and that they very obviously have a lot in common in that regard. Also a funny little thing about Louis is how he sees his love of literature and photography and paintings as a sign of his appreciation of humanity but doesn’t see those things as existing in Lestat despite Lestat’s love of music, performance, and clothing being very evident. I think Louis has a lot of observing to do, despite him being so introspective he sometimes isn’t very perceptive.
Thank you! That is a really good point about how the show might have Louis grappling with his humanity as a longer arc. Louis being introspective, but not always perceptive is so accurate!
11:19 You really put to words something I’ve been thinking about for a while now. Because when it comes to the book, if you had to boil it down to just one thing that it is about, take away the vampires, I would say that it is those moral and philosophical themes that is the core of the book. While for the show I feel like the core theme is about memory, about how time and other factors affect it. And though I like the café scene and the “casualness”of it, it’s sad that’s it’s basically the only time where those core themes from the book is being discussed. I think Louis talks about it a little bit in s1e3 I think, but that’s also just like a quick comment and I guess that they where trying to have that “casualness” about those themes, but they would have had to have much more of it for the viewer to pick up on it. Or idk how to describe it
Also- something I realised when writing this, s1e3, going by the name of the episode, “is my very nature that of the devil”, I feel like that episode was suppose to be about those themes but I definitely didn’t pick up on that. Like there’s something Louis says when they’re in the park, he makes a comment about something in Dubai and we see how disgusted he is the first time he has to kill someone, but that’s it. I think that if we go by the episode titles, s1 episode 2 and 3 should be about Louis clinging on to his humanity and his struggles with vampirism, and I think that one of those themes they manage to portray and one of them they didn’t.
3:27 I just think it's worth mentioning that *Lestat does at one point rape a woman in the books.* He puts in lots of effort to apologize (actually tries giving gifts like in the show) but it still happened. So idk about the statement "never doing anything extreme in the books".
@@fourizereviews5123 But that kinda just makes me think of all the people who complain about other fiction with hetero couples in them and how allegedly unbelievably unrealistic it is for audiences to be asked to buy that the guy'd beat anyone else up but never her because supposedly if he'd be violent towards others or even just hit a wall or something he'd definitely be violent toward her too it's only a matter of time. 😅 Also, in the books, doesn't it say that Louis and Lestat fought after Claudia's transformation into a vampire like they'd never fought before and it didn't end until Louis was looking up at Lestat from the ground-if I remember it correctly?. How else should that be interpreted, if not in a physically violent fashion? But...I guess...because it wasn't explicitly described in absolute detail, it never happened.?😅😅 (Okay, to be fair, it was also implied that all the fight went out of Louis because sunrise was approaching, so I guess _maybe_ he just spontaneously collapsed with the incoming sun or something, but..still. It doesn't really say that any more explicitly than it says that he had been physically brawling with Lestat and as the younger/weaker vampire had lost the fight and gotten thrown to the ground, and if I'm not misremembering the order of things I think he was already looking up at Lestat from the ground before all the fight suddenly just left him and Lestat called him an idiot or something and the soon-to-be-rising-sun got mentioned. But maybe I should crack the book open again and doublecheck sometime and see if I'm just remembering everything wonky.) Still, your points about the subjectivity of what different audiences do and don't take away from various characters or stories still completely stands. 😊💖💖
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 That’s a good point about Lestat. It has been a little while since I have read IWTV or TVL, but I think Claudia’s transformation is described differently as you said.
You mention the scene in the movie (3 minutes, tops!) where Louis and Armand discuss the nature of evil. That scene played out in S2 Ep3, with them discussing the nature of their own evil in a piano bar until Ghost Lestat shows up and starts singing, "You little whore" at Louis. In the book, of course, the discussions were much more in depth, but you've gotta admit that movie Armand, hot as Antonio was, wasn't in the picture long enough for tantric sex much less truly deep conversation. In the end, our Louis is an eternal seeker, trying to make sense of immortality and his place in it. It's why he called on Daniel to help plug the holes in his memories of the past. I like Louis the Seeker, and hope he never finds what he's looking for because that would mean peace and our Louis can never have peace, only brief respite.
I really enjoyed season 2 im glad rollin jones decided to split the first book into two seasons im so excited for season 3 and finally get lestat story because that 2002 film didn't do a good job i have read 5 books in the chronicles
I find it interesting that you didn't feel like Louis' moral dilemma was explored enough, because I've seen some people complain that the tv series is in their opinions not subtle enough, but I thought Louis' moral dilemma was explored pretty masterfully yet simply wasn't holding the audience's hand and explicitly spelled out for viewers simply trusting instead that viewers were intelligent enough to see it even without it being stated exactly what they were supposed to be seeing or not. I mean, the whole thing with the opera singer and Louis' baby nephew, and the juxtaposition of the questions he asks Lestat versus the philosophies he espouses to Daniel later on in the 2020s-the way he rails against how awful Lestat treated him, and yet the way he treats Armand in Paris almost the same exact way he complained about Lestat treating him. (And, to be fair, I do believe that Louis in the books actually also says that he did go somewhat numb after turning Madeleine too.) Like, [I think ]the philosophical debates and moral dilemmas are all there, but they are shown rather than told. But perhaps that's just me, idekk. 😊
Personally i also feel the themes are very much there if not explicitly spelled out. In season 1, we see Louis try to reconcile his bloodlust with his humanity by going "vegan". Yet he still goes back to hunting human to appease both Claudia and Lestat by the end and rips off a guy's jaw with seemingly no hesitation whatsoever. In season 2, he and Claudia hunt human before Paris. Then they meet the journalist and the nice human woman and by the end of ep 1 Louis makes the conscious choice not to help her, ostensibly choosing to no longer involve himself in human affairs. We learn he still hunts alone when he refuses to partake during the mansion massacre (presumably because he is back to hunting animals or at least supplementing his diet ), but we also know he kills a guy during his hallucination of Lestat in the park. In present day, Armand and Louis show Daniel photos of their "gentlemen friends"and Armand implies that he did most of the killing/drinking. In 1973, Louis kills 128 men (at least). Unironically, this seems like a form of self harm and not an enjoyable activity. But he stops killing completely in 2000. And he's proud of that fact. He has in modern day found a way to do what he wants. Drink blood without killing for it. The scenes and dialogue are all there in my opinion. Louis' journey with killing humans is something i am still trying to understand. Im not sure what drives him to hold onto humanity the way he does or what it represents for him in the present day. It was easy to understand why Louis in 1910s was not ready to let go of his ties to humanity seeing as he had just been turned, still had a human family he loved and business he was passionate about. Its clear that as his ties to his past human life start to fade, he feels lost, unmoored. In my mind, show Louis' attachment to his humanity comes just as much from his unique position at his turning and his loss of belonging. Its a lot less about having a conscience than he tells himself.
@@yosrafaiz9857 Even when Louis makes the conscious choice not to help that woman in Season 2, I think if you watch his face you can still see the conflict he feels about making that choice, he dislikes doing nothing and is somewhat goaded into doing nothing by Claudia being there and both purposefully encouraging him to walk away with her without doing anything and completely unwittingly just by being someone other than himself who anything he might've done to help could've blown back on and risked negatively impacting not just himself. I think it is an integral part of who Louis IS-he can't leave himself behind, regardless of whether he is a human or a vampire. It isn't that he's completely morally squeaky-clean or good or whatever himself, especially when he's in emotionally heightened states; but I think the best example is when Louis pulled a weapon on his own brother on Liberty Street in Season 1, he was willing to go that far but he didn't really do it because he was simply the kind of person who would pull a weapon on his own brother, mostly he only really did it because he felt like it was necessary in order to avoid something even worse happening(like someone else more willing to actually full-on terminate his brother pulling a weapon on his brother instead-but also to maintain his own reputation as being someone in charge and not to be trifled with or whatever and fully willing & able to do anything to protect his own business interests and/or to keep even his own family in line / etcetera). He doesn't actually like or want to be brutal or violent without reason or some kind of [in his own mind ]"just" cause for it (like with the guy he put out on display on those wrought-iron gates or whatever in Season 1 just before the city went up in literal flames). It isn't really being vicious or brutal just for its own sake in and of itself that give him a thrill, it's the satisfaction of doling out just desserts to those that he feels really deserved it that gets him going. But his religious background makes him question the morality, probably, of even that justification; which, paired with all his guilt/shame over all his imperfections or failings(such as making Lestat turn Claudia / failing to protect Claudia / etcetera), just piles together into a kind of internalized self-loathing I think....that, yes, certainly does lead him toward self-destructive / self harming type behaviors. But, I dunno, maybe that's me. (And sorry if I'm not articulating well, I'm tired and on my way to sleep.) Not disagree with you, though, just adding a few more of my own thoughts in addition to yours.🙂
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 no i see what you mean ! Regarding leaving human affairs to the humans you're right that he seems to make that choice for multiple reasons and that he still seemed conflicted doing it. In the present we get the sense that he has reached some sort of balance regarding his relationship to his own vampirism and humanity as well but i would love to get a sense of that in future seasons too. Like you said its not so much that Louis is morally "good" or "evil" but these vampires all have to believe in some kind of philosophy in order to endure so i'd love to find out if his diet stays the same in future seasons
@@yosrafaiz9857 I'm really curious what his diet and feeding habits will be after breaking up with Armand, too! (Because, in the Dubai scenes[ up until "I own the night"] it's unclear how much of his 'balance' actually comes from himself or how much possibly comes from Armand's potential influence / 'gentle'-'encouragement' that may or may not have been at work encouraging Louis to accept things he may or may not have accepted entirely on his own because Armand believed that was what was "best" or whatever to "protect" Louis from Louis' own self. ...or, maybe I'm just paranoid about that hypothetical possibility. Lol)
If i could ask Rolin one question, it would be ehy his show is so very adamant the flying is actually floating. Talk to me, RJ. There is something you should know.
As long as they don't overdo things, I really believe they can pull it off. It looks like they've sat and planned the story a lot further than we usually see from season-by-season writing and it's all due to the completed book series being available for referencing (unlike GoT where they pretty much ended up trying to create their own story from nothing by the end😔)
Yeah, all the source material is there. I doubt, they're going to botch it. Unless, something happens and Rollin ends up leaving I doubt it. The teaser for season 3 is great and I can't wait to see more. Especially since it's going to go to Netflix and gain wider audience now.
I enjoyed your analysis. I felt the allegory in the AMC adaptation was heavy-handed, but that seems par for the course these days. My verdict comes down to one thing: I read Interview many times, I watched the 1994 movie many times, I watched this series one time and that was enough. Despite some wonderful choices, somewhere along the way... the showrunners botched it. These are not characters I enjoy watching. One character after another gets monstered and retconned, and there's too much gritty real world unpleasantness. Beloved characters commit torture and abuse. The floating dreamlike atmosphere of Anne's original work has been lost. So has the wonder, beauty, and moral exploration. It's like they brought a hatchet when they needed a rapier. So, yeah, it's not for me.
First of all the fight should probably stand for relationship abuse...where you tease and annoy because after a while you see through rose-tinted glass..and things that might seem adorable at first annoys you...till at the end only a spark can light up a bonfire. And Louis knows how he can push Lestat over the edge (as Lestat knows about Louis). He just needed to push the right buttons, say the right things... Lestat is the one that cannot hold his anger back anymore. So it makes sense. Espesially since vampires feel deeper, remember things longer...and Lestat is like fire and Louis like ice. It meant to happened. In the movie adoption the fly scene is right when Lestat turns Louis. Also I think you forget to mention Santiago. In the books (as far as I remember) and the movie adoption he is more like a side character. Important for the story, yes. But without much soul behind it. They gave him a more in-depth character and a reason behind his actions. And Ben Daniels was sooooo goood 😱he blow me away! PS Baily Bass couldn't contuine because of timetable issues. So she choosed Avatar franchise (yes, James Cameron) over IWTV😢Both are really great actors. Delainey feels so much mature and seasoned. I still hope for memory glimpses 😏 But I agree the Madelaine transformation felt flatt. I liked the movie adoption better.
The part where Armand forced young Daniel to sit on an 'invisible chair' f-ed me up. That's actual torture!
Literally some of the best tv I've ever seen? I can't believe something this good exists, I feel so blessed to be witnessing this in real time. The acting, the scripts, the direction, the editing, the set and costume design...AHHHHH it's so perfect
I agree with you 100%! The show is by far one of the best TV I have seen in modern time!
@@kadeembest4752 it makes me believe in tv again it's so wonderful 😭😭
You summarised it so perfectly. I truly feel blessed to be able to be here when this is coming out
I really appreciate that the tv series framed Claudia and Madeleine as romantic, and did NOT frame Claudia & Louis or Claudia & Lestat as romantic.
Louis purged all the blood he drank from Madeleine because he was deeply disturbed by turning her and Armand found him numb with all the blood spilled on the floor. It was a short scene but powerful imo.
Very.💯
@@meri5173 ohhhh...I was so confused about where all that blood on the floor came from. Thanks for explaining 😊
It really shows that making a vampire isn't something to be taken lightly. For as old as they are, even Lestat and Armand haven't created as many vampires as we'd expect desperately lonely creatures like them to have done by now.
@@cyanrose499 Armand, until Daniel, had created 0 vampires[ in 400-ish years give or take].
Lestat, by book four or five, had created at least 6 vampires[ in something like only 200 to maybe 300 years].
But, to be fair, Armand's coven before going to France had a lot of rules about when creating new vampires was and wasn't permissible and his whole entire job in France was essentially to get the Paris vampires in line with his prior coven's rules for vampire living.
That final scene with Louis and Lestat had me in tears
Armand is my absolute favorite character, he is a perfect encapsulation of the concept of "trauma doesn't make you good, it just makes you traumatized." Armand is characterized as absolutely pathetic, delicate, broken, all these things that make it clear he was horrifically victimized before even becoming a vampire. We see how he still idealizes his maker despite him having been abused and groomed by him even hundreds of years after, how he constantly bends around other people and lets himself get pushed around, only for us to see the true horror of his maladaption. All the vampires fear loneliness but Armand above all others seems convinced no one will ever stay unless he makes them and changes himself, and he doesn't even seem to realize how tragic that is as to him it just seems like an obvious observation of reality. Armand was shattered before even becoming a vampire, he isn't even sure of any name for himself that wasn't given by those who abused him, and his tragedy and self destruction is very bad news for anyone who runs into him.
Assad Zaman is absolutely fabulous. I just cant enough of Armand. He is perfect. ❤ Cant wait to see more of his past in the next season and the story of Devil's Minion. Yes episode 5 for me is the best thing ever.
@@urmimaladev1799 an Armand-centered season covering The Vampire Armand (and maybe Blood and Gold) would drive me insane for the rest of the year. My heart can't take that much Assad Zaman 🥺
@@cyanrose499 Assad is such a cutie. Madly in love with him and Armand. Really a Armand centric show will drive me insane (which it is already doing).
@@urmimaladev1799 he was cast perfectly as Armand. The big innocent eyes while being a scheming gremlin, he captured the dual nature of a vampire who's lived for so long to be manipulative but also sympathetic (and even pitiful) at the same time
@@cyanrose499 Yes. Perfectly said.
@@urmimaladev1799 anybody notice how his eyes vibrate each time hes says "hes fine" just fine" especially the last time?? armant is craazy powerful! cannot wait to see how the devils minion plays out
I think I love s2 even more than s1 which is just baffling, like I didn't think that was possible 😅
The writing was so tight and perfect.
gosh this is my favorite show ever, and i have never read the books, idk but i feel like that makes it more special for me??? i would love love to see more of your comments like people really need to talk more about this show
Oh, we're on the same page. Never read the books and IWTV is definitely one of my favourite shows, I'm completely obsessed with it. I don't even want to touch the books because I want to experience everything for the first time when I watch the show.
That scene in New Orleans broke me. It was the one & only time we saw the real lestat. He wasn’t filtered by another character’s memories & IT WAS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE HOPED FOR.
Just like the books, interview is ultimately a flawed retelling of one character’s truth. The point is that Louis is an unreliable narrator. He lies purposely. He lies to himself. He misremembers decades old events. His pov is colored by trauma. He is manipulated by pretty much everyone around him. & now in the show we see his memories were actively tampered w/ by Armand.
There is a reason why many Rice fans prefer the vampire lestat & queen of the damned books. SEASON 3 IS GOING TO BE FOR US
Okay, but something a lot of people seem to forget is that Lestat's POV[ in the books] can actually be just as subjectively biased and/or flawed too, just from a different angle.
The line “did you hurt yourself” and the way sam Reid delivered it my GOD
Your video was so good I wish it was longer😭💕
I absolutely loved both seasons of the show and I impressed with how much forward-planning they did to make the two seasons feel like two halves of a whole story where the truth lies somewhere in between.
Even the parts that contradicted one another felt less like a complete change or retcon, but more like the different character perspectives and played into the theme of unreliable memories really well.
And I agree, having a more detailed recollection of what happened between Louis and Lestat in the episode 5 fight didn't change my feelings much, however it did serve to paint a more clear picture of Louis' character and how he's just as vicious as the other vampires whereas in season 1 we were mostly seeing Louis as the poor, innocent baby vampire who needs protection at all costs 🥺👉👈
@@cyanrose499 Thank you! I completely agree with you about how the story contradictions don’t feel like retcons, but like you’re seeing different perspectives.
I'm interested in knowing more about Armand's moral relationship to his vampire identity. He is not, after all, a blase killer as Lestat. He isn't exactly proud of what he is. After all, he has a preference to only feed from bad people or those who actually want to die, and takes away their fear before taking their life, he'll hold you and make it nice whereas Lestat will simply rip out your jugular. As a coven leader, he did not participate in the killings onstage, and preferred to think of the people killed as "sacrifices" rather than victims and believed- or pretended to believe- that they "honored the blood" in their ritualistic consumption and disposal. He can't stand the thought of turning anyone into a vampire and attempted to talk Madeline out of what she was getting herself into. Not that he's a good guy or an overly moral person- he's clearly not- but he's also a person of conscience. He may not refrain from attacking humans as Louis does, he may not even feel guilty per se, but he has an emotional need to justify killing that most of the other vampires simply do not, and he engages with it on his own terms. You could argue that he has a measure of compassion in how must engage with humans, even as he is ruthlessly self interested in his personal relationships to other vampires. He's deeply complicated and layered, sympathetic if not trustworthy.
We have to keep in my mind that s1 the fight was from Claudia's pov she saw Lestat as stronger than life she didn't even see that he had blood on his face , while Lestat didn't remember Claudia trying to get in the middle of the fight he only had eyes for Louis 🥺🥺
You can fit the 2 scenes together they are the same ,there are even videos of the 2 fights together
the writing is aamaaaaziiing! how about armands monlogue to daniel when hes about to kill him??? chefs frigging kiss of writing!
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im digging the rough edges of louie in this version. i always found his character to be a bit too idk... softish. if thats a word lol. i like the louis that tells the ancient vampire hes going to walk down to audibon park, throw his head to the lions and laugh. i like i own the night liberty street louis
I'm so glad you shared your thoughts after season 2, same as after season 1. Thank you for such excellent/thoughtful video discussions! And here's to hoping you will continue sharing your thoughts again after future seasons as well!!!💖😊💖
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 Thank you! 💖This is one of the kindest comments I’ve received.
I really enjoy making the videos and am always happy to see people engage with them.
I hadn’t even read the books before S1 and it was obvious he was telling “his” side. There’s always going to be bias… I’ve since read several and it’s still obvious. LDPDL is amazing. I really hope he’s incorporated some how in S3…
I've been a hardcore fan for decades and I had lost all hope...but then I gave this series a try and now I'm a believer.
Completely aside from your immaculate analysis and commentary, your voice is so calming and easy to listen to!
Also I think it’s very possible show Louis will grapple with his connection to humanity as a longer series arch. Since he takes such a backseat in later book I think it’s smart to leave room for development in his most memorable quality to make sure we have substantial growth for him over the entire show.
I think we will see this as he guides Daniel and sees first hand how Daniel reacts to loosing his humanity. And in his recognition that Lestat also seeks to maintain a relationship with humanity in his own way through art and creating relationships with mortals. At this point I think Louis sees himself as alone in this but I think as they rebuild their relationship he will see that Lestat does feel very similarly to him and that they very obviously have a lot in common in that regard.
Also a funny little thing about Louis is how he sees his love of literature and photography and paintings as a sign of his appreciation of humanity but doesn’t see those things as existing in Lestat despite Lestat’s love of music, performance, and clothing being very evident. I think Louis has a lot of observing to do, despite him being so introspective he sometimes isn’t very perceptive.
Thank you! That is a really good point about how the show might have Louis grappling with his humanity as a longer arc. Louis being introspective, but not always perceptive is so accurate!
I love the part when Lestat destroys that one ww2 vet who called him and Louie the f-word. So f-ing epic!
Can't wait to see The Vampire Lestat. Rock 🎉Star. ❤❤
11:19 You really put to words something I’ve been thinking about for a while now. Because when it comes to the book, if you had to boil it down to just one thing that it is about, take away the vampires, I would say that it is those moral and philosophical themes that is the core of the book. While for the show I feel like the core theme is about memory, about how time and other factors affect it.
And though I like the café scene and the “casualness”of it, it’s sad that’s it’s basically the only time where those core themes from the book is being discussed. I think Louis talks about it a little bit in s1e3 I think, but that’s also just like a quick comment and I guess that they where trying to have that “casualness” about those themes, but they would have had to have much more of it for the viewer to pick up on it. Or idk how to describe it
Also- something I realised when writing this, s1e3, going by the name of the episode, “is my very nature that of the devil”, I feel like that episode was suppose to be about those themes but I definitely didn’t pick up on that. Like there’s something Louis says when they’re in the park, he makes a comment about something in Dubai and we see how disgusted he is the first time he has to kill someone, but that’s it. I think that if we go by the episode titles, s1 episode 2 and 3 should be about Louis clinging on to his humanity and his struggles with vampirism, and I think that one of those themes they manage to portray and one of them they didn’t.
3:27 I just think it's worth mentioning that *Lestat does at one point rape a woman in the books.* He puts in lots of effort to apologize (actually tries giving gifts like in the show) but it still happened. So idk about the statement "never doing anything extreme in the books".
@@lkcullen1918 That’s fair and that point has been made to me before. I should have clarified “doing something so extreme to Louis.”
@@fourizereviews5123 But that kinda just makes me think of all the people who complain about other fiction with hetero couples in them and how allegedly unbelievably unrealistic it is for audiences to be asked to buy that the guy'd beat anyone else up but never her because supposedly if he'd be violent towards others or even just hit a wall or something he'd definitely be violent toward her too it's only a matter of time. 😅
Also, in the books, doesn't it say that Louis and Lestat fought after Claudia's transformation into a vampire like they'd never fought before and it didn't end until Louis was looking up at Lestat from the ground-if I remember it correctly?. How else should that be interpreted, if not in a physically violent fashion? But...I guess...because it wasn't explicitly described in absolute detail, it never happened.?😅😅 (Okay, to be fair, it was also implied that all the fight went out of Louis because sunrise was approaching, so I guess _maybe_ he just spontaneously collapsed with the incoming sun or something, but..still. It doesn't really say that any more explicitly than it says that he had been physically brawling with Lestat and as the younger/weaker vampire had lost the fight and gotten thrown to the ground, and if I'm not misremembering the order of things I think he was already looking up at Lestat from the ground before all the fight suddenly just left him and Lestat called him an idiot or something and the soon-to-be-rising-sun got mentioned. But maybe I should crack the book open again and doublecheck sometime and see if I'm just remembering everything wonky.)
Still, your points about the subjectivity of what different audiences do and don't take away from various characters or stories still completely stands. 😊💖💖
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 That’s a good point about Lestat. It has been a little while since I have read IWTV or TVL, but I think Claudia’s transformation is described differently as you said.
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You mention the scene in the movie (3 minutes, tops!) where Louis and Armand discuss the nature of evil. That scene played out in S2 Ep3, with them discussing the nature of their own evil in a piano bar until Ghost Lestat shows up and starts singing, "You little whore" at Louis.
In the book, of course, the discussions were much more in depth, but you've gotta admit that movie Armand, hot as Antonio was, wasn't in the picture long enough for tantric sex much less truly deep conversation. In the end, our Louis is an eternal seeker, trying to make sense of immortality and his place in it. It's why he called on Daniel to help plug the holes in his memories of the past. I like Louis the Seeker, and hope he never finds what he's looking for because that would mean peace and our Louis can never have peace, only brief respite.
I really enjoyed season 2 im glad rollin jones decided to split the first book into two seasons im so excited for season 3 and finally get lestat story because that 2002 film didn't do a good job i have read 5 books in the chronicles
I find it interesting that you didn't feel like Louis' moral dilemma was explored enough, because I've seen some people complain that the tv series is in their opinions not subtle enough, but I thought Louis' moral dilemma was explored pretty masterfully yet simply wasn't holding the audience's hand and explicitly spelled out for viewers simply trusting instead that viewers were intelligent enough to see it even without it being stated exactly what they were supposed to be seeing or not. I mean, the whole thing with the opera singer and Louis' baby nephew, and the juxtaposition of the questions he asks Lestat versus the philosophies he espouses to Daniel later on in the 2020s-the way he rails against how awful Lestat treated him, and yet the way he treats Armand in Paris almost the same exact way he complained about Lestat treating him. (And, to be fair, I do believe that Louis in the books actually also says that he did go somewhat numb after turning Madeleine too.) Like, [I think ]the philosophical debates and moral dilemmas are all there, but they are shown rather than told. But perhaps that's just me, idekk. 😊
Personally i also feel the themes are very much there if not explicitly spelled out.
In season 1, we see Louis try to reconcile his bloodlust with his humanity by going "vegan". Yet he still goes back to hunting human to appease both Claudia and Lestat by the end and rips off a guy's jaw with seemingly no hesitation whatsoever.
In season 2, he and Claudia hunt human before Paris. Then they meet the journalist and the nice human woman and by the end of ep 1 Louis makes the conscious choice not to help her, ostensibly choosing to no longer involve himself in human affairs.
We learn he still hunts alone when he refuses to partake during the mansion massacre (presumably because he is back to hunting animals or at least supplementing his diet ), but we also know he kills a guy during his hallucination of Lestat in the park. In present day, Armand and Louis show Daniel photos of their "gentlemen friends"and Armand implies that he did most of the killing/drinking.
In 1973, Louis kills 128 men (at least). Unironically, this seems like a form of self harm and not an enjoyable activity.
But he stops killing completely in 2000. And he's proud of that fact. He has in modern day found a way to do what he wants. Drink blood without killing for it.
The scenes and dialogue are all there in my opinion.
Louis' journey with killing humans is something i am still trying to understand. Im not sure what drives him to hold onto humanity the way he does or what it represents for him in the present day.
It was easy to understand why Louis in 1910s was not ready to let go of his ties to humanity seeing as he had just been turned, still had a human family he loved and business he was passionate about. Its clear that as his ties to his past human life start to fade, he feels lost, unmoored.
In my mind, show Louis' attachment to his humanity comes just as much from his unique position at his turning and his loss of belonging. Its a lot less about having a conscience than he tells himself.
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@@yosrafaiz9857 Even when Louis makes the conscious choice not to help that woman in Season 2, I think if you watch his face you can still see the conflict he feels about making that choice, he dislikes doing nothing and is somewhat goaded into doing nothing by Claudia being there and both purposefully encouraging him to walk away with her without doing anything and completely unwittingly just by being someone other than himself who anything he might've done to help could've blown back on and risked negatively impacting not just himself.
I think it is an integral part of who Louis IS-he can't leave himself behind, regardless of whether he is a human or a vampire. It isn't that he's completely morally squeaky-clean or good or whatever himself, especially when he's in emotionally heightened states; but I think the best example is when Louis pulled a weapon on his own brother on Liberty Street in Season 1, he was willing to go that far but he didn't really do it because he was simply the kind of person who would pull a weapon on his own brother, mostly he only really did it because he felt like it was necessary in order to avoid something even worse happening(like someone else more willing to actually full-on terminate his brother pulling a weapon on his brother instead-but also to maintain his own reputation as being someone in charge and not to be trifled with or whatever and fully willing & able to do anything to protect his own business interests and/or to keep even his own family in line / etcetera). He doesn't actually like or want to be brutal or violent without reason or some kind of [in his own mind ]"just" cause for it (like with the guy he put out on display on those wrought-iron gates or whatever in Season 1 just before the city went up in literal flames). It isn't really being vicious or brutal just for its own sake in and of itself that give him a thrill, it's the satisfaction of doling out just desserts to those that he feels really deserved it that gets him going. But his religious background makes him question the morality, probably, of even that justification; which, paired with all his guilt/shame over all his imperfections or failings(such as making Lestat turn Claudia / failing to protect Claudia / etcetera), just piles together into a kind of internalized self-loathing I think....that, yes, certainly does lead him toward self-destructive / self harming type behaviors.
But, I dunno, maybe that's me. (And sorry if I'm not articulating well, I'm tired and on my way to sleep.)
Not disagree with you, though, just adding a few more of my own thoughts in addition to yours.🙂
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 no i see what you mean !
Regarding leaving human affairs to the humans you're right that he seems to make that choice for multiple reasons and that he still seemed conflicted doing it.
In the present we get the sense that he has reached some sort of balance regarding his relationship to his own vampirism and humanity as well but i would love to get a sense of that in future seasons too.
Like you said its not so much that Louis is morally "good" or "evil" but these vampires all have to believe in some kind of philosophy in order to endure so i'd love to find out if his diet stays the same in future seasons
@@yosrafaiz9857 I'm really curious what his diet and feeding habits will be after breaking up with Armand, too! (Because, in the Dubai scenes[ up until "I own the night"] it's unclear how much of his 'balance' actually comes from himself or how much possibly comes from Armand's potential influence / 'gentle'-'encouragement' that may or may not have been at work encouraging Louis to accept things he may or may not have accepted entirely on his own because Armand believed that was what was "best" or whatever to "protect" Louis from Louis' own self. ...or, maybe I'm just paranoid about that hypothetical possibility. Lol)
If i could ask Rolin one question, it would be ehy his show is so very adamant the flying is actually floating. Talk to me, RJ. There is something you should know.
Its so good that I'm now afraid that they're going to botch it.
As long as they don't overdo things, I really believe they can pull it off. It looks like they've sat and planned the story a lot further than we usually see from season-by-season writing and it's all due to the completed book series being available for referencing (unlike GoT where they pretty much ended up trying to create their own story from nothing by the end😔)
Yeah, all the source material is there. I doubt, they're going to botch it. Unless, something happens and Rollin ends up leaving I doubt it. The teaser for season 3 is great and I can't wait to see more. Especially since it's going to go to Netflix and gain wider audience now.
season 1 was good.. but this was amazing
Can you please tell us what's the music piece playing starting 6:15?
For the title card I used "Bach: Fugue in C Minor," and the music I used afterwards was "Mouvement II, Noir et Blanc." I found both on Epidemic Sound.
Daniel should have been turned by Louis, not Armand.
I enjoyed your analysis. I felt the allegory in the AMC adaptation was heavy-handed, but that seems par for the course these days. My verdict comes down to one thing: I read Interview many times, I watched the 1994 movie many times, I watched this series one time and that was enough. Despite some wonderful choices, somewhere along the way... the showrunners botched it. These are not characters I enjoy watching. One character after another gets monstered and retconned, and there's too much gritty real world unpleasantness. Beloved characters commit torture and abuse. The floating dreamlike atmosphere of Anne's original work has been lost. So has the wonder, beauty, and moral exploration. It's like they brought a hatchet when they needed a rapier. So, yeah, it's not for me.
This show is like watching that live action Dragonball movie. Things match the source material, kinda, but the casting was terrible.
i still don’t like Claudia in the tv show
First of all the fight should probably stand for relationship abuse...where you tease and annoy because after a while you see through rose-tinted glass..and things that might seem adorable at first annoys you...till at the end only a spark can light up a bonfire. And Louis knows how he can push Lestat over the edge (as Lestat knows about Louis). He just needed to push the right buttons, say the right things... Lestat is the one that cannot hold his anger back anymore. So it makes sense. Espesially since vampires feel deeper, remember things longer...and Lestat is like fire and Louis like ice. It meant to happened.
In the movie adoption the fly scene is right when Lestat turns Louis.
Also I think you forget to mention Santiago. In the books (as far as I remember) and the movie adoption he is more like a side character. Important for the story, yes. But without much soul behind it. They gave him a more in-depth character and a reason behind his actions. And Ben Daniels was sooooo goood 😱he blow me away!
PS Baily Bass couldn't contuine because of timetable issues. So she choosed Avatar franchise (yes, James Cameron) over IWTV😢Both are really great actors. Delainey feels so much mature and seasoned. I still hope for memory glimpses 😏
But I agree the Madelaine transformation felt flatt. I liked the movie adoption better.
I have told so many of my friends and family members about this tv series, and I am sure I will tell even more!😊💖💖🤭💜🤍🩶