For me, Alfred > Faber , Faber Adult book had a very slow pace. here's my ranking John Thompson > Hal Leonard > John W. Schaum > Bastien > Alfred > Faber I like method which had quick pace and start out with a good pieces , though Alfred and Faber says its adult book , but I think it's a bit for children
@@製仗哥布林都毋下陷 Thanks for your comment. I think it's good to have all these different method books to choose from for our different styles of learning. Personally I don't think Alfred and Faber are too childlike, but I can see how some of the pieces they use might be viewed that way. Not sure what level you're at, but you might like Czerny's Op. 599.
I'm 76 now and will complete my first year in two months. The Alfred book is all I know, so I have no comparison. I also have a teacher helping me. Most of the time I practice 1 hour per day. It's going slow, but we all have our own pace and I enjoy it. Thinking of adding the Faber book for additional instruction. 🙂
@@daveshaw4159 That's great that you're working with a teacher! If you'd like more variety in your music, you might also consider Faber's supplemental books (Classics, Pop, Christmas) that go hand-in-hand with their method book.
I'm using the "Piano Adventures" series by the Fabers and I'm super happy with it. I am a retiree with no prior experience with a musical instrument. I have to say the selection of music they present plus the little video clips they include (accessed by QR codes) are important features for me. Since I am studying alone, it is great to point to a QR code and have my iPhone start playing the piece so I can evaluate my performance. I know some pieces are included for pedagogical purposes rather than their musical beauty, but I'd much rather spend time on "Simple Gifts" and Dvorak's "New World Symphony" with Faber than "On Top of Old Smokey" or "Skip to My Lou" with Alfred. I'm sure the Alfred book would give me good instruction, too, but I'm glad I have Faber.
I started with Alfred's method and was happy with it and finished around 70% of it, then i stopped playing, when I made a comeback after 5 months I decided to try Faber's and honestly they are different, I immediately noticed the difference in the hand position, its little bit harder in the beginning but it improved my bass clef reading and honestly I'm just starting but I feel like this approach might be more beneficial
I have attempted to start Alfred’s multiple times. I made it to book 2, having rushed through some sections, and felt very insecure with what I knew. After several years now, still not having any proficiency at even beginning levels, I started with Faber. The layout is similar, but what made a huge difference for me was the music. I realized I was rushing through sections of Alfred’s simply because the music was too hokey and uninspiring. I couldn’t bring myself to practice most of the pieces for more than one pass. With Faber, I have noticed that all of the pieces so far have been pleasant. I have taken pleasure in working at them and using them to learn. For that reason it has been much more digestible for me. I don’t mind that I am moving slower, because each page is enjoyable, and I am feeling confident I have actually learned a concept acceptably by the time I turn each page. The music is the biggest difference for me.
This is precisely my experience with Alfred's course, word for word. I'm nearly at the end of Alfred book 1, and despite the extra discipline and motivation of being an adult, it's proving a real drag. I have the 2 Faber books and I'm considering switching.
I am a senior and choose Piano Adventures and worked through levels 1-4. Currently working on level 5. Even though a lot of it was review for me, I enjoyed the pace and the pieces in the books. I don't think the pieces were childish at all. The pieces are not classical focused (I have other books for that) and covers many genres such as folk and jazz.
I think that's great! I personally enjoy the pacing of Piano Adventures over the Adult Method book. And you're exactly right, no matter what method book one chooses, it can always be supplemented with other music.
Currently working the Faber books slow but steady learning curve and feel like I am making good progress on Dailey bases. Really like that it comes with some instructional videos and practice and play ritmes it really helps me 😁
I’ve been going with Faber for 18 months now with my teacher giving a few supplemental pages from Alfred and other books as needed. I am interested in Classical and note reading and began with nothing at all, so Faber has proved excellent. Thanks for the review.
The problem with polling a piano beginner forum is that they don’t realize what they don’t know. I learned a bunch from the Alfred books and after picking up the faber books, I saw the brilliance in their method from the start and I’m of the mind that the faber approach is overall better.
I use both in my studio simultaneously for beginners. I like the benefits of both and I find it's best to use multiple approaches anyway to avoid students getting stuck in a level of difficulty later on.
I've got the Adult Piano Adventures book and it's great! Very, very useful. I have a metronome too which I use when practising. It's only my 3rd day learning the piano, but I can feel already how much of a difference a metronome makes. Good luck to everyone else learning! It can be frustrating but it's a lot of fun!
This video is so helpful even in 2023! I have picked up piano again after having learned basic piano and understanding of sheet music as a kid and teen. Between what you have shared, and the helpful comment section, I have decided on Faber. I like that the music is a bit more modern and starts off with playing both hands in different keys! Thank you :)
Thought I was the only person who struggled when Alfred's moved from C position. Looking back, although I learned a lot from Alfred's, the position-based approach was not a good fit for me. Now using Faber's and your Patreon lessons (which cover much more than what is in the Faber book). What a difference! Thank you!
I’m so glad that I stumbled across this video, because I was not even aware of the Faber book. A few years ago, our church pianist recommended the Alfred adult book, which I’ve been slowly integrating into my life. Always one to lean into a new interest beyond my capabilities, I downloaded a transcription of Joni Mitchell’s “River” from the Internet, and after working on the first couple of pages, I had it down to the point where I could play the left-hand arpeggio reliably, and then I figured out the rest of what I wanted to do with the right hand, and I’ve been using that as a warm-up exercise ever since…but I’m thinking that now I’m going to parallel both the Alfred and the Faber books, because I understand the importance of intervals, and while I am not thinking of becoming a classical pianist, I am thinking that I should learn at least 15 or 20 classical pieces to play, while I’m also trying to integrate a little jazz. Two weeks ago, I looked at a tutorial for Linus and Lucy, and I’ve taught myself both of the hands alone parts from that tutorial, and I now have to figure out how to integrate that odd rhythm that he uses to play hands together. I will be certain to check out more of your channel.
I guess as a teacher within the Alfred method by explaining the concept of different hand positions and how it would work the students could be willing to try it out. I found it kind of fun to try it with some of my students even if the position was in C i made them transpose and use the same fingering but play different notes 😁 it really got them excited 😊
I've been playing piano for a while, mostly self-taught and was looking for a good place to recommend friends start learning. I got the Alfred book and started working through it on my own to see if it's any good and so far I really think it does a good job. Overall, and I assume this is also true for the Faber book, I think beginners will get the most benefit working with a teacher to go through the book. I think getting a good grip on counting rhythm when sight reading can be difficult in the beginning and cause the songs to not sound like songs at all. A teacher can help. It also would be difficult to check your work completely on your own. Like you said, the book is very position based and can cause you to think "that note means I play my ring finger" rather than thinking about what note it is. However I think this is meant to be solved by the very first section of the book, which asks the reader to learn to recognize notes by their name both on the staff and on the keyboard - with various exercises in the book asking the reader to write in the name of each note on the staff. With a teacher to guide them, this could be reinforced to prevent a reliance on the hand position. I think I would also work with learning repertoire based on the students interests alongside the method book, which will be good for mixing things up. Overall I do like the Alfred book's focus on pop music for adult learners, who typically just want to learn enough to play their favorite pop/rock songs and contribute something in a jam session.
Great video! I’ve never heard of Faber. I started piano lessons again after a year break ( started lessons around 4 years ago) my teacher started me on Alfred’s Basic Adult Piano Course level book 2 and I absolutely love it. I wasn’t so keen at first but now I’m loving it. My goal is be able to just play hymns for pleasure and eventually play in church 😊
I experienced exactly what you said about Alfred book. As a self-learning adult, I got to page 85 in 3 days. It was a rapid progress for me as I already knew how to play by memorized and was used to the piano. However, the pieces choices taught in the book demotivated me. I didn't want to play the same song after playing it a few times. They're not interesting at all. I have now ordered a Faber book based on your recommendation, and I will continue this adventure with it. Thanks for the comparison and advice.
I tried both. It all depends of your goals, but to me much better options to subscribe to Sound of Music, an online course for jazz mainly, but it starts from zero so first two modules are for everyone. And piano for all also deserves consideration.Quite rare the approach but if you are into comping, there is music right away.
Thanks for this video. Thanks to this and other videos I cancelled my alfreds order and instead bought the faber all in one. Since I cancelled my order on alfreds I can't compare but it definitely feels like the right choice. I'm halfway through and I love it. The pace is very nice and since my aim is mainly classical I like the fact the book doesn't just make you play chords only in the left hand, and it also makes you switch hand positions. It even made me play my first basic arpeggios already, how cool is that! 👌🏻 The pieces are obviously (and fortunately) still quite simplistic and not something i will still play when im more experienced, but that said they are not annoying or childish either. I think they are great choices to get the practice in. A well thought out book, very suitable for learning on your own, I recommend it and just ordered part 2 which I hope to be using soon. 😃
I’m using Fabor now. I found a copy at Half-Price Books the last summer. I didn’t start using it until about 13 weeks ago because I had bought an online course and followed many UA-cam videos. I think it’s a game changer. The songs are a bit over simplified and sometimes I wish I could explore something like the Sleeping Beauty Waltz in more detail but, I’m sure there will be time for that. I really like going over a new lesson every couple of days and trying to internalize 3rds and 4ths and other music theory that doesn’t always stick in my head.
I had a little bit of previous music experience, so I chose to teach myself with Alfred for a year or so before starting lessons with a teacher. If you can get over the "cheesy" pieces provided then I think it does an OK job. But, as some commented, the weak music encourages you to go through the book fast and skip perfecting your performance. I realized my technique was lagging behind when I was partway through the second book, so that was when I decided to start the Masterwork Classics series. I think those pieces did more to improve my playing than the method book did. I still continued to the "Level 3" method book before I started lessons. My teacher and I decided to leave the method book behind and focus on those Masterwork Classic pieces instead. So I guess the method books worked, but only because I was paying attention to how I was playing, and because I opted to supplement it with something else. I think knowing what I know now, I probably would try Faber if I had to do it again. I also agree with your statement about the focus on positions. I remember being a little confused starting off because the focus on positions disappears at a certain point.
New subscriber.70 learning to play. I have both books and agree with you about the songs in the Alfred book. They are VERY outdated and better suited to a child. Looking forward to more of your tutorials and perhaps a Zoom lesson. Keep up the good work!
I agree with you 100%. I started with Alfred and I thought the songs were kind of boring and didn't sound that interesting. I kind of got away from the piano and then I decided to try Faber and I like it SO much better. I took piano as a kid so a lot of this is a review for me but I'm halfway through Faber's adult piano adventures book 2 and I have noticed that my sight reading has improved significantly. I don't look at the keyboard anymore and I can just read the notes and tell by intervals where I need to be whereas before I was looking at each individual note. I can't wait to keep going further and further. I even tried playing Mozart's Turkish Waltz into my amazement, I was actually able to read the notes and play the song, albeit very slowly! I really think Faber is getting me to where I want to be where I can sit down with music and just be able to play it. I particularly like classical but I also like pop but I agree that with Faber is going to take me to a higher level. My two cents.
OMG, Susan! I love your channel-you do such a great job with illustration, clearity, and so helpful! Yes, I get about Alfred bks and the C position thing! I think that is why I created arrangements that move the hands a bit on my channel! Feeling grateful that I came across your channel. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
@@PianoRoadmap my pleasure you should get some subscribers coming your way as I shared one of your videos with a fb group that I run. (& My YT channel :-) They're a great members and they'll enjoy your content.
That was a fantastic comparison! Thank you so much for taking the time to go so in depth with both of these books. I've been teaching with the Piano Adventures method for a long time but I've always been curious about the Alfred books since I know a lot of other teachers use them as well. That being said, I think this video helped me realize that the Piano Adventures books definitely fit my style of teaching more overall. Thanks again!
I have both books. I started piano at an early age, around 7 or so, and never had a decent teacher. [Four of 'em over the years and not one worth the money they cost. The first was the worst and probably why I wouldn't practice] I've mostly NOT played piano since and most of what I've learned when I DID play was self-taught. I've learned a lot from both Faber and Alfred. I zoomed through them both at first. Now I'm going back and trying to absorb the lessons more thoroughly.
I'm sorry to hear you've not had great experiences with piano teachers, but glad you've found some enjoyment from these books. Faber also has a TON of supplemental books if you'd like more variety and options (Classics, Pop Tunes, Hymns, etc).
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
Thank you for this. I’m a professional musician but stopped developing on piano basically when I left college and over the years my piano chops have essentially disappeared. It’s shameful, I know. Anyway, time to fix that and I needed some info on where to begin. I appreciate it!!
I got the Faber's and I think I did right in buying it, the book itself is very well designed and any way the book, any book on piano, these days is and needs to be complemented with lessons and some of the many online resources and, why not, another book, like the Suzuki, which is in my list already. Thanks for the review.
Hey Piano Roadmap, I just discovered your channel and I love the name! As the name suggests, I need your guidance in this area. I'm a music producer but not very skilled at playing the piano. I want to advance my piano skills. I purchased both the Alfred All-In-One and the Faber books, and I realized they focus on specific genres like pop and classical. I'm from Africa, and the songs we play here are Afro songs, cultural songs, African gospel, and so on. Can you please recommend other self-help books that can help me? I really like the method in those books, but I'm concerned about going the wrong way based on the style of music we have here. I also want to know if practicing these genres could improve or affect my skills in some way (I am from different genre).
Hello! I know there are some books out there that focus on gospel-style learning, but I'm unsure of any to recommend (not my area!). My question is: how will playing piano improve your producing skills, or how will you use your piano skills as a music producer? Your answer will influence my recommendation. If you would like to answer, please email me (pianoroadmap@gmail.com) since I'm likely not to see your response in a timely manner!
I am an old adult in Toronto. I started to learn when I was 50. The teacher * used Alfred series. I almost completed level 1. Then I did not learn for 15 years.. Now. I found teacher ∆. She uses Faber series: Adult Piano Adventures Level 1. I do not know the difference. I just follow the teachers.
I couldn't decide so bought book 1 of each method and am going to do both to see what works for me and hopefully my playing will be better for it :) Thank you for the video
My goal in music is eg. Interstellar or experience. I have no experience at all so which book should I take my long journey with. I really wanna learn the piano concepts well while moving at a mind bending pace So which book of the 2 is better to meet such needs????
I own both and work in both regularly. It may slow down my progress as far as leveling up is concerned but I feel fairly confident when I move on to the next concepts. Granted the two don’t progress in lock step but close enough. Rock on!
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
@@tiaelisha2366 I went back and forth. I started doing about 10 pages of one then 10 of the other. After a while I just did it by feel as to where a good place to switch would be. You will develop a feel for when the concepts change and then switch until it feels about the same. Just get after it and see how it feels.
I'm at the point in Fabers Adult Piano Adventures Book 1, where I need to order my next book. I don't have anything to compare my experience with. I played and sight read another instrument years ago and sometimes find that I would like more complicated pieces, however what my brain thinks and my fingers do proves I need to NOT skip the basics. My observations are that Faber is very well set out. Someone very smart did the layout and I'd give them top marks for that. The content moves you along quite well. I think at least octave scales would be good, but thats the only thing I can think of. I'm guessing the folks who designed the course know a bit more about teaching the piano than I do. The resources available on line for the Faber is enormous. I am getting face to face lessons too and that is very important, especially if you think you should follow the Keith Jarrett piano posture guide. I'm leaning towards Faber Adult Adventures Book 2, and Classics at this point but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks for the video.
Sounds like you have some good observations about the Faber books. It's great that you're getting private lessons, you and your teacher can talk through next steps. It would be good to begin practicing scales and arpeggios if you haven't started already. You can buy separate scale books with fingering if you need them. Good luck!
@@PianoRoadmap Thank you for replying. I did talk to my teacher yesterday and ordered Faber book 2 and the Classics adventures book 2 as well. The delivery times are drawn out at this time of year.
My teacher uses the Leila Fletcher series. It’s graded from book 1 to book 6. I think she must have used it when she first learned piano. The series is like 60 years old. She also uses the John Thompson series for her older students. I think there are five books in this series
I recently purchased the ebook version of Alfred's but for the first time in years, find myself wanting a print edition. I looked into Faber and felt it was more suited to me. I ordered Faber and just received it. What a great book. I plan to use both (might as well get the best of both worlds). I like how Alfred's seems to have more written exercises. I also purchased two songbooks that coincide with the Faber books (classical and pop). I prefer classical piano to pop, but it should be nice to learn both. Thank you for this informative video!
Update... Since using the books rather than the apps, I find my playing has improved.. especially my sight reading. Some apps are too focused on you just following on screen but not actually reading the notes.
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
I'm learning on my own. I'm on page 65 of Alfred's... more cords being introduced. But I do find that I am stuck in my positions and have trouble navigating notes out of position. So I'm going to go through the first half or so of Faber before I move on with Alfred's. Then I will integrate them both. Faber looked too "non musical" with no staffs at the beginning and very late introduction of cords, but now I see why. Thanks. I think they will complement each other.
As a complete beginner and self-learning (without a teacher) I have this book (alfred adult all in one). I'm just wondering, how will I know when to progress to the next topic/page? Any tips?
Great question, and there's no easy answer. Don't feel like you need to perfect every single piece and exercise in the book, but choose one piece every once in a while (maybe every 10-15 pages) so that you will get to the highest level you are able. The main purpose of these method books is to introduce foundational skills and knowledge. Just know that the Alfred book tends to progress very quickly (IMO), so don't feel rushed, especially when you get towards the middle. Good luck!
I am only about 2 months into the Faber method and my work schedule doesn't allow me more than 4 days per week to practice. I hit a wall on Russian Folk Song cos aside from section A I found it very uninspiring and was struggling to finish learning the tune. So I decided to get another outlook and purchased the Alfred too about a week ago. Already what I love about the Alfred are the worksheets to compliment and consolidate what I have learned. Yes I know Susan offers the same for the Faber but I honestly can't afford it. Both methods have a lot going for them and am enjoying the journey so far.
I'm using a different Alfred series called Premier Piano Express. (There is also the Premier Piano version; the difference is that the first 4 books in the Express version combine a performance book with the lesson book and move a little bit quicker. Then you can go to the regular Books 5 and 6 if you want. You'll probably need the lesson and performance books for those last 2 levels.) I really like it so far as a returning beginner. It introduces intervals early on which I found very helpful. The creators call the approach a "non-position reading approach" that borrows from "middle C method, intervalic method, and multi-key reading method." They talk about "landmark notes" but you do not always play newly introduced notes with the same finger so you don't associate the name of a note with a finger number. I learned in my teens with the five finger middle C position approach and I think this way is miles better. The interval piece was like light shining down! :) I also have the Faber Books and want to reinforce what I am learning so I plan on doing them, too, as a refresher down the line. Most of the music is not well known as it was written by piano teachers emulating various styles. Martha Mier and Dennis Alexander wrote many of the pieces and they are well done. I'm 48 years old and I find the books very appealing, well paced, and balanced. I did consider the more frequently used Alfred Adult course but I felt it was a bit too chord heavy for what I am looking for, at least for right now. I do want to learn chords but after I get back to sight reading better. The downside for some is that much of the music won't be familiar although I did notice later books start using more famous pieces. I am loving this series and plan on going through the whole 6 books. I am excited to follow your channel! :)
Hi Laura! I didn't know about the Alfred PRemier Piano Express. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! I love that they're approaching it in a "non-position" way. I also love Martha Mier and Dennis Alexander. Sounds like you're on the right path! Good luck!
Awesome comparison. I was leaning on Alfreds at first but since you showed their difference, I decided to pick Fabers. Im a beginner that is inclined in classical music and reading music. Though i have a question; is the Piano Adventures book the only one or does it have a series like alfreds books (that has book 1,2,3...)
Hi there, and glad the comparison helped you make a decision :) There are 2 books in the Adult Piano Adventures Books. After you finish the 2 books, the idea is that you have enough knowledge to pick your own repertoire from there. Good luck!
I'm a returning beginner, so I haven't compared Faber vs Alfred. I started Faber and nearly finished the first book, but I came to feel that scales and chords would be handy much earlier in learning classical music. I'm not from the US, and the selection of pieces was heavily American. This was a put-off for me as they were not familiar to me and I was bored. In my group of adult piano learners, it's true that the majority recommend Alfred, so I'm curious if they are similar. I eventually looked for a teacher, but keeping regular lessons is also quite difficult for a busy adult.
Thank you so much for this excellent comparison. I have used both series in my music studio,in addition to John Thompson. I also supplement with pieces from Martha Mier which are wonderful.
I have Faber but also other beginner books for blues & pop. So when I have time in my practice session I supplement with content from those other books. Not sure if it's a good idea cause I'm just a student, what do I know, but it adds variety at least.
Thank you so much for your video! Great review, I am just about to start my piano journey. Maybe i should track my progress. I just came across your channel and I subscribed you. I will try to follow your videos and keep track on it. I have not yet purchased the books but I will still take time to take a decission. Lets see hopefully i can play something by christmas!
Hi! This video was served up to my by UA-cam suggestions this morning. I was curious because I do a piano tutorial channel here on UA-cam where I stay away from books and theory - my focus is to just get people up and playing some fun songs. Unfortunately, it was these types of books and the lessons that made me quit playing piano when I was young. Playing popular songs that people can recognize is the focus of what I do. This is a great video though - you do a great job!! I'm glad I found your channel!!
It's good you do what you do, because I know a lot of people probably benefit from it when they just want to learn a song or two! But I also know many people actually enjoy knowing the music theory part, or the "whys" of music and piano. We all learn differently. Thanks so much for stopping by!
@@PianoRoadmap You bet Susan!! Glad we connected, and I will be an avid follower of your channel. Maybe you'll teach ME something!!! I am subscriber #235 on your channel!! Yeah!!!
Thank you.. As a beginner my self and self taught, I bought 2 of them. But I choose Faber just because the pages look nicer 🤭 because I know nothing…. Thank you for your explanation, now I am glad I choose and completed faber Adult book. I also upload my piano journey video 😅😊😘
Hey, looks matter! 😃 I agree that the Faber book looks better overall. And I just checked out your channel and I'm impressed! Very cool to see your journey as a self taught pianist!
This is a very useful video for me. I've been learning from an app and wanted to start from the beginning and reinforcing the basics. Id heard about Alfreds but I initially had problems getting away from the C position and additionally I don't want to follow an approach which is too chord heavy, so thanks for this!
Thanks for your honest comparison. I have purchased both and I'm following almost at the same speed. One thing that's true is you have the sensation that Alfred progress slowly, even a bit boring, but at the same time it could be useful to self-learning people that need to repeat some concepts over and over again to learn, I don't know.
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
@@tiaelisha2366 I jumped fron one to the other and when I reached about half of both, I started playing some basic repertoire books, like Alferd's Masterwork Classics 1-2 and Faber's Adult Piano Adventures Classics, both of them have helped me to progress on reading, rhythm and dynamics. And keepng my pace with the method books, of course.
Thank your for your insight on the books. Since I just recently bought my first Piano a DGX 670 as one of my friend also plays and wanted to get into arranger keyboards and I wanted to get started with my journey. I will go with both the books. I will start with Alferd and keep trying to incorparate music that doesn't heavily depend on C. And once I finish level one I will start the Faber book and make sure my base is completely solid. Would you recommend any other books to actually expand on this learning phase? I really want to eventually Learn Classical, Boogie woogie and Electronic music. I do intend on getting a teacher eventually to polish out the kinks I may have and learn more genres possibly or insturments on an arranger.
I think doing both the Alfred and Faber will be more than enough to get you started. And I love your idea of eventually getting a teacher. It sounds like you have specific goals and a teacher (even if you only study with them for a short period of time) will be able to guide you in the right direction. Good luck!
Will be 65 in July--which is to say, a "boomer" here. I was given the John Thompson "Adult Preparatory" piano book to start out with, and then I went through two more of the J.T. books after that. I must say that I enjoyed the music in the books, much of which was comprised of simplified but still enjoyable arrangements of various classical pieces. And some attractive arrangements of folk songs as well. Musically, I think the J.T. books outshine the offerings in Faber and Alfred. The latter two are more contemporary, but if you are more interested in getting a taste of great classical music, I would recommend the John Thompson books. That's just my experience, and I'm sure there must be attractive features to different method books as well. I'd just add that, for me, it was essential that I enjoyed the music in the J.T. books. If the music had been more mediocre and ho-hum-ish, I wouldn't have been as motivated to practice. OK, one more comment. Even though the J.T. method starts with "middle C" and hovers around there for awhile, eventually it branches out. As it happens, over the years I became a pretty good sight reader--since I took more and more pleasure from the piano and from reading through unfamiliar pieces, so I don't think that a middle-C introduction to the piano necessarily means students will be at a big disadvantage as they progress. My dad was a fine pianist--with much better fingers than I have--and he used to sometimes play an easy arrangement of a gorgeous theme from the Franck D-minor Symphony. I think he learned that from one of the method books he studied as a kid. I wish I knew what that book was--I'd love to play that arrangement he played! I also wish that Franck had written more for the piano! We have his two big concert works, the Prelude, Chorale, and Fugue, and the Prelude, Aria, and Finale, and one or two short pieces. I find his harmonic idiom so attractive, but the those two concert works are a handful and then some. Cheers to one and all out there!
Thanks for your comment! I'll have to look through the John Thompson books. It wasn't something that I had as a kid or going through school, so it never has been on my radar. Regarding Franck, sounds like you'd be a good candidate to learn organ --- he's got a lot of fine organ works that capture his symphonic style! 😃
@@PianoRoadmap I had read lots of praise regarding the Faber book for adults, and I went out and bought it, maybe somehow imagining that I might teach piano "one day," and since so many people were singing its praises....But then I read through various of the pieces in the book and my feeling was that they weren't very involving. Maybe they were more "accessible" for beginning students, but if the music itself is "ho hum," then there's no motivation to practice it. For me--at least as an amateur pianist--it's all about how much I love the music. I could care less if I'm "being introduced to" arpeggiated triads or the whole tone scale, etc. All of that theoretical stuff always bored me to death. Worst of all, for me, is the dull analysis along the lines of, "This is the A theme. This here is A-one. This is the B theme. And now we return to the A theme. And now we fall into a state of catatonia." Snore!! In any case, the John Thompson method--regardless of how "unmethodical" it might well have been--tended to have good music in it from fairly early on. Then again, I'm old enough to have been grateful for all the arrangements of famous symphonic themes, and the general focus on the classical piano "canon." These days I suppose a lot of young people might prefer to study jazz piano. That's something I came to on my own, starting with ragtime, and thanks mostly to those great Nonesuch recordings by Joshua Rifkin of various of the Joplin rags. My dad had exactly one slim folio of jazz arrangements, and those were two-page arrangements by George Shearing of various "Great American songbook" tunes. Including "Over the Rainbow," "Don't Blame Me," "I'm In the Mood For Love," "For All We Know," etc. A wonderful folio, by the way! My dad never read through it. It was just this old folio that was among his many volumes of music. I'm curious how he got it, but I'll never know, or at least not on "this side of the veil." The John Thompson books suited me, on the whole, but I can imagine that "today's young people" might not have enough familiarity with classical music to be able to enjoy the J.T. books as readily. I wish Franck had written more for the piano! We have his two large concert works, the Prelude, Chorale and Fugue, and the Prelude, Aria and Finale, but not much else. But as for the organ?? Someone once described it as "the pope of musical instruments," and that image somehow seems right. No slight on "the Pope," but the sound of the organ is too cold for me. It can be "magnificent," but somehow it doesn't touch me in the way the piano can. There is a volume of Franck easy organ pieces that were arranged for the piano, but my volume is buried in a box of music in a storage locker in Ohio--possibly never to be seen again by yours truly given the cost of shipping these days. But I always wished that my dad had the music around for that one bit he always used to play from the Franck D minor Symphony! It was something he memorized many years ago, no doubt from whatever piano method book he was going through at the time. But, anyway, can you recommend any Franck organ works to me that you love? Especially shorter works, since my attention span isn't the greatest. IMSLP is a treasure chest, of course. I've often found arrangements for the piano of symphonies, chamber music, and songs there. Maybe it's time for me to revisit the Franck page there again. Wishing you all the best, and lots of continuing and growing love for music!
Hello, After watching your video I am thinking about buying Faber book. I am more into learning proper techniques and reasons why things are what they are. It helps you understand the context of what are you planing to play/write. I do have 2 questions tho. 1. You compare first book of Alfred and Faber. But how does it compare with the rest of the course. Alfred have another 2 after level 1, so maybe in your opinion, considering the whole course, the 3 level Alfred course is better then Faber 2 level course, because maybe in the second one they catch up with techniques. Or maybe after 2 lvl Faber you recommend to switch to 3 lvl Alfred. Or Piano adventures Is generally better for someone who want more in-depth piano,music knowledge? 2. At the moment I was able to afford to buy yamaha psr e373 keyboard. No weight on the keys but they are touch sensitive. I have a good sustain pedal too. Do you think the Faber book is still good for me or you recommend something else. Will those 61 keys will be a problem with the books really fast? Or they are not using all the octaves at the same time straight away? Thank you very much for very informative video. :)
1) I prefer how the Faber books progress. Alfred tends to get too difficult too fast IMO. The Alfred Book 2 is more difficult and more awkward pianistically than the Faber Book 2. I feel book method books teach in-depth piano knowledge. Honestly, I never use Alfred book 3. By that time, I feel everyone is ready to play other repertoire outside of the books (i.e. whatever you want). 2) You will be ok in both Alfred & Faber with only 61 keys for all of Book 1 & 98% of Book 2. If you get to the point where you're ready to upgrade, I highly suggest getting one that is weighted. Good luck!
@@PianoRoadmap Thank you very much for the answer. I will go with Faber then. I would like to have a proper electronic piano but at this stage I am just renting a room in the other side of the world and might move randomly so something smaller works better at the moment. Less stress about the transport and damage. I was using yousician app, almost finished level 6 but got really c position depended, bit lost with other stuff unless I memorized it and I reached the point that I was able to play harder stuff but without an idea how, what and why I am doing it. That is why I want go back to something more complex, to understand the context. :) Thank you very much again.
Working through the faber adult all in one books, haven’t gotten the Alfred books but my teacher recommended a theory book from Alfred. Im a total beginner and I guess my sightreading isnt as good as I thought it was😅
Thank you for this useful comparison. I’m just about to start learning piano although I’ve played classical guitar and flute for many years. My reading on the G clef is ok but the Bass clef for me is the issue. Is one method better than the other for tackling this? Look forward to exploring more of your videos.
I would suggest going with the Faber book if you're looking to improve your bass clef reading. They have pieces with more active LH roles (rather than just playing chords). Also, when I had to learn how to read alto clef as an adult, I found that writing notes out on manuscript paper really helped me. For example, I would take a melody that was written in the treble clef and write it down in the alto clef. That's something you could try as well. Good luck!
Thanks for this. I’m not sure if this is a valid question but even so… does the lack of chord studies in Volume 1 of the Faber book get made up for in Volume 2.
Im curious if you have a book that you would recommend for someone that isn't interested as much in note reading and covering songs, but more interested in writing, creating, improvising, etc. Would love a response!! Also thanks for the video, I teach music lessons and I still haven't quite found any book that really suits my style of teaching, as you can probably tell I am more about using the piano or any instrument as a voice, as a creation and discovery tool, there's so many cool things to discover about music and theory and how to use it and also how to just have fun and make mistakes and explore and experiment, basically I think it's a shame how many people take piano lessons but so few actually create and improvise, so many are locked into these rudimentary techniques. I teach guitar to a kid who has taken 5 years of piano but has never played the pentatonic scale, nor the blues scale, nor the harmonic minor. I'm like WHAT! that's some of the most fun stuff to use! and the list goes on. Anyway, thanks again!
Hi Aaron! I'm pretty traditional when it comes to learning music, meaning that I strongly believe in creating a musical foundation by first learning the basics (what you receive from method books). It doesn't mean that one couldn't supplement this with other things, but once the basics are covered, the musical paths are endless! But I agree with you, there is so much to discover and create. As far as recommended books, I'd say any basic music theory book is a great place to begin (solid knowledge and understanding of major/minor keys, scales, and tonal western harmony). From there, simple score study is INVALUABLE. Download a piece from IMSLP, listen as you follow with the score, and analyze what the composer did. Practice writing your own piece "inspired" by that composer, using some of the same chord progressions, theme development, and basic textures. Practice improvising in this same way.
Before I discovered your channel I had already purchased the Alfred's level 1. I know this is an old video, but it is right the your current Piano Roadmap course includes the Faber book or do we need to purchase the Faber books to follow along with your course?
Hey! Could you please give me some advice? im 22 yr i've been playing piano for about 7 years now (i started at 15) i learned a lot from youtube, i had a couple of piano teachers through the years but probably haven't had more than 5 in person lessons all together. i play well by ear and i play on all keys! (no transpose whatsoever). i use the app chordify to play and see the chord changes throughout songs. could you please recommend me a book or two? one to learn to read music notes that i think could help me but also i need a book to guide me. i love fusion, funk, jazz and blues but i can't quite understand them. i'm probably considered some kind of intermediate idk. Thank you!
Hi there! Since you're trying to learn how to read music, I'd use a method book like the Alfred or Faber in this video. Personally, I like the Faber a bit better. Learning how to read music is pretty easy, it's transferring it to the keys and learning how to read FAST that is tricky. After that, you can pivot to studying jazz or blues (or whatever else you want!). Good luck!
Sorry totally messed up my comment below I have just completed book 1 Alfred should I know go onto Alfred book 2 and 3 or do Fabier book 1 and 2 then back to Alfreds book 2 and 3? Or complete all Alfred books then do Fabier? Brought all books so want to use them but in order that would benefit me. Was grade 6 before about 30 years ago. Also how much do you charge for zoom lessons?
Ah, ok. I just replied to your other comment, but this makes it a little clearer. If you just finished Alfred 1, I don't see any reason to go back and do Faber book 1 especially since you have some prior piano experience. You may want to go through it and practice some of the pieces for fun, but there's no need to study every page. If you have the time, you can do Alfred and Faber Book 2 at the same time, but again, not totally necessary. After you complete a book 2, you can go on to Alfred Book 3, but you might find it more enjoyable to pick pieces that you enjoy and are not in a method book.
In addition to the Alfred book I also bought, "How to Play Piano" by Pamela D. Pike from the Great Courses on line. I'm glad I bought it on sale for a cheap price because after about the 5th lesson I felt I was in over my head. IN MY OPINION this course tries to cram 2-3 years worth of piano lessons into 36 lessons. It introduces many good concepts early on but doesn't go deep enough into them before going on to the next lesson and never seems to come back to them and cover them in sufficient depth. I think this course is more for someone who used to play piano and now wants a refresher course as opposed to someone who is trying to learn from scratch. I got up to lesson 13 before giving up. The book is a good reference and as I improve I plan on coming back to it, but I would discourage any beginner from getting it as a way to learn piano. Especially if you have problems coordinating your two hands. I still have problems going back and trying to sight read and play correctly some of the lessons I completed two years ago. I'm in my late 60s and have been trying to learn piano for 5 years. NOT my favorite piano method book/course by a long shot.
Interesting, I had not heard of that series by Pamela Pike. I think that most method books, especially adult methods, would benefit from supplementary material (scales, other piano literature, etc), because they do start to progress faster than what is comfortable. We often need more time at a specific level to truly absorb the new concepts.
Oh wow your channel is so neat! Will definitely be binge watching the other videos on my next day off :) You make such strong points for both of these books.... I love the promise of a challenge from Faber but it Alfred sounds like someone who's hold my hand the whole way, need to sleep on it to choose :D Would you happen to have any Music Theory book recommendations? There are so many of them I don't even know where to start and I'm very curious about what kind of literature piano lovers enjoy and/or find helpful (sorry if you answered this question in any other of your videos, I didn't get to watch them yet!) :)
Hi, and thanks for your kind words! There ARE many theory books out there. I like Alfred's Essentials of Music Theory: (www.amazon.com/Alfreds-Essentials-Music-Theory-Bk/dp/0882848941/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8). This is a great resource if you're a beginner. They also have a book 2 & 3. There are also ear training exercises, but you have to buy the CD separately. And do people even have CD players anymore?? 😆 As far as piano literature, I'm happy to give some recommendations if you'd like to reply with your approximate piano level. And if you have more questions, feel free to join our free Facebook group, Piano Roadmap Community: facebook.com/groups/pianoroadmap
Merci for this. I might order one of them, and at my level and ambitions I think Faber would be better. Since I am in a French speaking region of a foreign country, I had bought a book by Pierre Minvielle-Sébastia. Unfortunately I think it is for intermediate players. French don't use the ABCDEFG method, they use Do Ré Mi Fa Sol La Ti method. It takes some getting used to, n'est-ce pas?
Ah, that would be a little confusing to switch to the ABCDEFG method. If you do end up getting the Faber, I hope it works out for you. So do you use "fixed do", where C is always Do or is it moveable where do is dependent on the key?
I'm really sorry you're feeling lost. If you're on Facebook, join our free & private group and post a specific question & some background info (how long you've been playing, have you worked with a teacher, etc) and I and other community members will be happy to help: facebook.com/groups/pianoroadmap
My niece who’s 8 started getting into piano and took my Alfred book and I’m currently teaching her with that book. It seems complicated for her so do you have any recommendations? They can’t afford a teacher and I’m the only option she has right now.
Your niece is lucky to have you! I love the Bastien books & Faber books. These are both meant for younger learners, so they go slower & seem more entertaining and fun. Each level has multiple books that work together (Lesson, Theory, Performance, Technique). Make sure to definitely get the Lesson book. The other books are great to have, but the Lesson book is where you'll get the basic info. Good luck! Bastien: www.amazon.com/WP201-Bastien-Piano-Basics-Level/dp/0849752663 Faber: www.amazon.com/Adventures-Learning-Performance-Technique-Artistry/dp/B06XDRKVJ1/ref=asc_df_B06XDRKVJ1/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366282406038&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14119694577641515864&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026926&hvtargid=pla-793245355655&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=78795692560&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366282406038&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14119694577641515864&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026926&hvtargid=pla-793245355655
How about using both book at the same time? Would that be too confusing? I am 2/3 of the Alfred book. But I also want to try Faber and be able to play all sort of music including clasical
Great question. I don't think it would be too confusing. While it's not necessary to use both books, I believe it would reinforce and supplement what you've already learned in the Alfred book. Just don't feel like you need to play every single page in the Faber.
I'm working my way through both, as well as the Faber theory books. Slow but satisfying! I probably need real lessons though, I want to move along more quickly.
I'm a fan of the slow but satisfying route. Sometimes when we try to move along too quickly, we get to a point where it's overwhelming and really frustrating. Good luck working through your books!
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
@@tiaelisha2366 basically a unit of one, then a unit of the other, back and forth. When I finished book 2 in both, I bailed on the 2 method method and went all in on Adult Piano Adventures 2 all-in-one, which is the next step after the beginner book 2. Good luck!
Yes, you will be able to play most of the pieces. There are a few mini-exercises at the beginning of the book that take you all the way up and down the keyboard, and then maybe 1 or 2 pieces towards the end where you'll be missing some keys. Overall, it'll work well!
Merci. I have Faber volume 1 and Alfred Volume 2. But I prefer John Thompson as well as La Mèthode Rose in British and French. It’s actually too advanced to be for beginners, and it’s certainly not for children.
hello, thanks for the video! could you maybe tell me your opinion on the "accelarated piano adventures for the older beginner", I read a comment saying this series is superior to the faber adult adventure book. thanks in advance
Hello! I can see how many people would prefer the Accelerated Piano Adventures for the Older Beginner. It goes at a slightly slower pace and feels more complete. My main complaint with most Adult Method books is that they get difficult quite quickly. The Accelerated series gives you more time to work your way up to harder pieces.
I wondered about this. What I saw was the accelerated series contains some of the same things as the adult adventures book 1. I don't feel accelerated but could play the stuff in the Accelerated book 1 because of doing the Adult Adventures Book 1.
Is there anu book sequence which I can consider if ai want to start from the beginning. Also want to know if I start from Alfred and after completing 4-5 books, can I switch to faber, will it ease me to learn piano?
I've heard people say that they switched books and it really helped them feel like they were getting a complete foundation set. If it were me, I'd begin with the Faber Book 1. Once you get through that, you have the option of going to Faber Book 2 or beginning your piano journey away from method books.
I Did The First Book Of The Faber Series And I Just Purchased The Second Book. I Also Did The First Twenty Exercises On The Hanon. All That On A Period Of One Year And A Half With A Teacher, I Need A Teacher. So, I Was Thinking About You. Im One Block Away From The University That Has A Music Department, I Was Thinking About Them Also. Oh, I Did One Year And A Half Of Piano Theory. I Can Play Other Instrument By The Way. I want to Learn Counterpoint Species In, Classical, Jazz, Cuban And Spanish Music. I Want To Start A Sonora Band With Four trumpets and Make My Own Band
@@PianoRoadmap Do You Give Private Lessons Online? I Graduated In 2011 And I Played Trombone In The Orchestra. I Played In Puerto Rico As A Kid And Also Here In High School. I Can Read Bass, Tenor And Treble Clefs. I Was 1st Trombone In A Popular Salsa Band And Lead Trumpet In The Jazz Ensemble At Boy's Harbor In Harlem. I Did The Eslava solfège Method And I Can Play Sousaphone. Now I Have No Dentures. I've Been Taking Piano Lessons For 3yrs. But My Teacher Is In China Now
I have finished book 1 Alred book but don't know to continue with Alfred book 2, then go to Fabier book 1 and 2 then Alfred book 3 or. Fabier book 1 and 2 then Alfred book 2 and 3. What order would you do? Also how much do you charge for a cool lesson?
I would either switch to Faber Book 2 (not 1!) or continue on with Alfred Book 2. With either of these options, you can supplement it with some other pieces that are not in a method book (Minuet in G by Bach or some other kinds of music if you're not interested in classical) and/or supplement it with a technique book or scales. Dozen a Day series is great. After you finish book 2 in either Faber or Alfred, you might want to stop method books altogether and work on pieces that you love.
Hi, would there be any benefits from using both books? Or would this be useless? If so, why? Because I would like to know both pop and classical. I'm about to start my piano learning journey. Thanks for your advice.
I think using both books is a great idea! As far as new piano principles and theory go, it can help to have 2 different sources as they'll explain things slightly differently. And sometimes I think both method books go too quickly, so by using both, you might be able to find a better pace. I'd say, definitely try both out for a good chunk of time, but don't be afraid to amend your plan after a few months if you need to. I'll be interested to know what one you end up preferring! Thanks for your question, and GOOD LUCK!
@@studioleopold95 how is working with both like so far? I have 0 musical skills/background and I just ordered a digital piano and am excited to learn how to play it but would rather stick to one book if I could.
Thanks so much for this! Even though I’m blues and pop based, I was already leaning toward Faber Adult Piano Adventures for several reasons, and this video helped seal the deal. I’m already taking the Piano for All course where I’m getting plenty of chords, blues and jazz, and the Faber books do a nice job of filling in the gaps. Not to mention, I also enjoy Classical and my sight reading skills need work.
It sounds like you are well informed and you're doing your research! ❤️🎹 I think you'll be happy with the Faber book, sounds like just what you need at the moment! Good luck!
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I haven't switched any settings, and my other videos still have cc titles in English. For some reason, this video is auto-translating, and I can't turn it off. Even the auto-generated transcript is in Korean. I managed to get it to "translate" into English, but it was garble. It's very strange, especially since I don't even speak Korean. I'm trying to fix it, but so far, no luck.
I have been taking lesson for last 8 years and am disappointed with my progress. I feel that I don’t press keys correctly and therefore the notes don’t sound clearly as I am skimming through. This is I think is due to bad habits picked up over the year. Can you suggest how I can correct this issue? Thanks
Hello, thanks for your question. Before I answer, I'd like to know if you've been taking lessons from a private teacher or are you learning on your own?
Hello, I know I'm a little late to the party, but hopefully you can still see this comment. So I have been working through the Alfred book (around page 70), but the Faber has been looking really appealing recently. I do plan to finish the first Alfred book at least, but after that, do you recommend switching over to the Faber if that's what I'd like? Would the transition be too difficult? Thank you!
I don't think the transition will be too difficult and you may find it helps you "cover more bases". Just be sure to research and take your time if you find there are some things that need to be reviewed or learned when/if you switch over. If you end up doing this, let me know how it goes!
I'm curious, do you have a favorite piano method book??
maybe faber?
For me, Alfred > Faber , Faber Adult book had a very slow pace.
here's my ranking
John Thompson > Hal Leonard > John W. Schaum > Bastien > Alfred > Faber
I like method which had quick pace and start out with a good pieces , though Alfred and Faber says its adult book , but I think it's a bit for children
@@製仗哥布林都毋下陷 Thanks for your comment. I think it's good to have all these different method books to choose from for our different styles of learning. Personally I don't think Alfred and Faber are too childlike, but I can see how some of the pieces they use might be viewed that way. Not sure what level you're at, but you might like Czerny's Op. 599.
I'm 76 now and will complete my first year in two months. The Alfred book is all I know, so I have no comparison. I also have a teacher helping me. Most of the time I practice 1 hour per day. It's going slow, but we all have our own pace and I enjoy it. Thinking of adding the Faber book for additional instruction. 🙂
@@daveshaw4159 That's great that you're working with a teacher! If you'd like more variety in your music, you might also consider Faber's supplemental books (Classics, Pop, Christmas) that go hand-in-hand with their method book.
I’m using my daughter’s stack of Faber books 😂. It melts my heart seeing her writings from when she was 5…
Awwww 😊
so sweet
I'm using the "Piano Adventures" series by the Fabers and I'm super happy with it. I am a retiree with no prior experience with a musical instrument. I have to say the selection of music they present plus the little video clips they include (accessed by QR codes) are important features for me. Since I am studying alone, it is great to point to a QR code and have my iPhone start playing the piece so I can evaluate my performance. I know some pieces are included for pedagogical purposes rather than their musical beauty, but I'd much rather spend time on "Simple Gifts" and Dvorak's "New World Symphony" with Faber than "On Top of Old Smokey" or "Skip to My Lou" with Alfred. I'm sure the Alfred book would give me good instruction, too, but I'm glad I have Faber.
I started with Alfred's method and was happy with it and finished around 70% of it, then i stopped playing, when I made a comeback after 5 months I decided to try Faber's and honestly they are different, I immediately noticed the difference in the hand position, its little bit harder in the beginning but it improved my bass clef reading and honestly I'm just starting but I feel like this approach might be more beneficial
this is hardly a comparison, when you being the alfred book with zero knowledge and the faber book with 70% of the alfred book's knowledge
I have attempted to start Alfred’s multiple times. I made it to book 2, having rushed through some sections, and felt very insecure with what I knew. After several years now, still not having any proficiency at even beginning levels, I started with Faber. The layout is similar, but what made a huge difference for me was the music. I realized I was rushing through sections of Alfred’s simply because the music was too hokey and uninspiring. I couldn’t bring myself to practice most of the pieces for more than one pass. With Faber, I have noticed that all of the pieces so far have been pleasant. I have taken pleasure in working at them and using them to learn. For that reason it has been much more digestible for me. I don’t mind that I am moving slower, because each page is enjoyable, and I am feeling confident I have actually learned a concept acceptably by the time I turn each page. The music is the biggest difference for me.
I feel the same way! I could never get past the feeling that the Alfred book pieces sounded too cheesy. Glad you're enjoying the Faber book!
this is the post i been waiting for. faber it is for me.
This is precisely my experience with Alfred's course, word for word. I'm nearly at the end of Alfred book 1, and despite the extra discipline and motivation of being an adult, it's proving a real drag. I have the 2 Faber books and I'm considering switching.
I am a senior and choose Piano Adventures and worked through levels 1-4. Currently working on level 5. Even though a lot of it was review for me, I enjoyed the pace and the pieces in the books. I don't think the pieces were childish at all. The pieces are not classical focused (I have other books for that) and covers many genres such as folk and jazz.
I think that's great! I personally enjoy the pacing of Piano Adventures over the Adult Method book. And you're exactly right, no matter what method book one chooses, it can always be supplemented with other music.
Currently working the Faber books slow but steady learning curve and feel like I am making good progress on Dailey bases. Really like that it comes with some instructional videos and practice and play ritmes it really helps me 😁
I’ve been going with Faber for 18 months now with my teacher giving a few supplemental pages from Alfred and other books as needed. I am interested in Classical and note reading and began with nothing at all, so Faber has proved excellent. Thanks for the review.
The problem with polling a piano beginner forum is that they don’t realize what they don’t know. I learned a bunch from the Alfred books and after picking up the faber books, I saw the brilliance in their method from the start and I’m of the mind that the faber approach is overall better.
I use both in my studio simultaneously for beginners. I like the benefits of both and I find it's best to use multiple approaches anyway to avoid students getting stuck in a level of difficulty later on.
I've got the Adult Piano Adventures book and it's great! Very, very useful. I have a metronome too which I use when practising. It's only my 3rd day learning the piano, but I can feel already how much of a difference a metronome makes. Good luck to everyone else learning! It can be frustrating but it's a lot of fun!
This video is so helpful even in 2023! I have picked up piano again after having learned basic piano and understanding of sheet music as a kid and teen. Between what you have shared, and the helpful comment section, I have decided on Faber. I like that the music is a bit more modern and starts off with playing both hands in different keys! Thank you :)
You're welcome! Good luck picking up the piano again!
Thought I was the only person who struggled when Alfred's moved from C position. Looking back, although I learned a lot from Alfred's, the position-based approach was not a good fit for me. Now using Faber's and your Patreon lessons (which cover much more than what is in the Faber book). What a difference! Thank you!
Thank you for your kind feedback. So glad the Faber Follow-Along Videos on Patreon are helping you!
I’m so glad that I stumbled across this video, because I was not even aware of the Faber book. A few years ago, our church pianist recommended the Alfred adult book, which I’ve been slowly integrating into my life. Always one to lean into a new interest beyond my capabilities, I downloaded a transcription of Joni Mitchell’s “River” from the Internet, and after working on the first couple of pages, I had it down to the point where I could play the left-hand arpeggio reliably, and then I figured out the rest of what I wanted to do with the right hand, and I’ve been using that as a warm-up exercise ever since…but I’m thinking that now I’m going to parallel both the Alfred and the Faber books, because I understand the importance of intervals, and while I am not thinking of becoming a classical pianist, I am thinking that I should learn at least 15 or 20 classical pieces to play, while I’m also trying to integrate a little jazz. Two weeks ago, I looked at a tutorial for Linus and Lucy, and I’ve taught myself both of the hands alone parts from that tutorial, and I now have to figure out how to integrate that odd rhythm that he uses to play hands together. I will be certain to check out more of your channel.
I guess as a teacher within the Alfred method by explaining the concept of different hand positions and how it would work the students could be willing to try it out. I found it kind of fun to try it with some of my students even if the position was in C i made them transpose and use the same fingering but play different notes 😁 it really got them excited 😊
That’s great! It could help them make more intervallic associations as well. And anything we can do to get piano students excited is a good thing 😬😄
omg I needed this
I've been playing piano for a while, mostly self-taught and was looking for a good place to recommend friends start learning. I got the Alfred book and started working through it on my own to see if it's any good and so far I really think it does a good job.
Overall, and I assume this is also true for the Faber book, I think beginners will get the most benefit working with a teacher to go through the book. I think getting a good grip on counting rhythm when sight reading can be difficult in the beginning and cause the songs to not sound like songs at all. A teacher can help. It also would be difficult to check your work completely on your own.
Like you said, the book is very position based and can cause you to think "that note means I play my ring finger" rather than thinking about what note it is. However I think this is meant to be solved by the very first section of the book, which asks the reader to learn to recognize notes by their name both on the staff and on the keyboard - with various exercises in the book asking the reader to write in the name of each note on the staff.
With a teacher to guide them, this could be reinforced to prevent a reliance on the hand position. I think I would also work with learning repertoire based on the students interests alongside the method book, which will be good for mixing things up.
Overall I do like the Alfred book's focus on pop music for adult learners, who typically just want to learn enough to play their favorite pop/rock songs and contribute something in a jam session.
100% agree! Having a teacher to work with is ALWAYS the number 1 way to go, if you have the time, energy, $, and accessibility to get one.
Great video! I’ve never heard of Faber. I started piano lessons again after a year break ( started lessons around 4 years ago) my teacher started me on Alfred’s Basic Adult Piano Course level book 2 and I absolutely love it. I wasn’t so keen at first but now I’m loving it. My goal is be able to just play hymns for pleasure and eventually play in church 😊
The Alfred book seems perfectly suited for your goals. Good luck!
I experienced exactly what you said about Alfred book. As a self-learning adult, I got to page 85 in 3 days. It was a rapid progress for me as I already knew how to play by memorized and was used to the piano. However, the pieces choices taught in the book demotivated me. I didn't want to play the same song after playing it a few times. They're not interesting at all. I have now ordered a Faber book based on your recommendation, and I will continue this adventure with it. Thanks for the comparison and advice.
I consider your assessment of the two books objective because another channel says the similar things about the two books. Good job!
I tried both. It all depends of your goals, but to me much better options to subscribe to Sound of Music, an online course for jazz mainly, but it starts from zero so first two modules are for everyone. And piano for all also deserves consideration.Quite rare the approach but if you are into comping, there is music right away.
Thanks for this video.
Thanks to this and other videos I cancelled my alfreds order and instead bought the faber all in one.
Since I cancelled my order on alfreds I can't compare but it definitely feels like the right choice. I'm halfway through and I love it. The pace is very nice and since my aim is mainly classical I like the fact the book doesn't just make you play chords only in the left hand, and it also makes you switch hand positions. It even made me play my first basic arpeggios already, how cool is that! 👌🏻
The pieces are obviously (and fortunately) still quite simplistic and not something i will still play when im more experienced, but that said they are not annoying or childish either. I think they are great choices to get the practice in.
A well thought out book, very suitable for learning on your own, I recommend it and just ordered part 2 which I hope to be using soon. 😃
I’m using Fabor now. I found a copy at Half-Price Books the last summer. I didn’t start using it until about 13 weeks ago because I had bought an online course and followed many UA-cam videos.
I think it’s a game changer. The songs are a bit over simplified and sometimes I wish I could explore something like the Sleeping Beauty Waltz in more detail but, I’m sure there will be time for that.
I really like going over a new lesson every couple of days and trying to internalize 3rds and 4ths and other music theory that doesn’t always stick in my head.
I had a little bit of previous music experience, so I chose to teach myself with Alfred for a year or so before starting lessons with a teacher. If you can get over the "cheesy" pieces provided then I think it does an OK job. But, as some commented, the weak music encourages you to go through the book fast and skip perfecting your performance. I realized my technique was lagging behind when I was partway through the second book, so that was when I decided to start the Masterwork Classics series. I think those pieces did more to improve my playing than the method book did. I still continued to the "Level 3" method book before I started lessons. My teacher and I decided to leave the method book behind and focus on those Masterwork Classic pieces instead. So I guess the method books worked, but only because I was paying attention to how I was playing, and because I opted to supplement it with something else. I think knowing what I know now, I probably would try Faber if I had to do it again. I also agree with your statement about the focus on positions. I remember being a little confused starting off because the focus on positions disappears at a certain point.
Thanks for sharing your experience - it's definitely valuable for people who are deciding on a method book.
New subscriber.70 learning to play. I have both books and agree with you about the songs in the Alfred book. They are VERY outdated and better suited to a child.
Looking forward to more of your tutorials and perhaps a Zoom lesson. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
I agree with you 100%. I started with Alfred and I thought the songs were kind of boring and didn't sound that interesting. I kind of got away from the piano and then I decided to try Faber and I like it SO much better.
I took piano as a kid so a lot of this is a review for me but I'm halfway through Faber's adult piano adventures book 2 and I have noticed that my sight reading has improved significantly. I don't look at the keyboard anymore and I can just read the notes and tell by intervals where I need to be whereas before I was looking at each individual note. I can't wait to keep going further and further. I even tried playing Mozart's Turkish Waltz into my amazement, I was actually able to read the notes and play the song, albeit very slowly! I really think Faber is getting me to where I want to be where I can sit down with music and just be able to play it. I particularly like classical but I also like pop but I agree that with Faber is going to take me to a higher level. My two cents.
That's so great to hear! That's the dream - just being able to sit down and play music.
OMG, Susan! I love your channel-you do such a great job with illustration, clearity, and so helpful! Yes, I get about Alfred bks and the C position thing! I think that is why I created arrangements that move the hands a bit on my channel! Feeling grateful that I came across your channel. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Thanks for your kind words and for stopping by!
@@PianoRoadmap my pleasure you should get some subscribers coming your way as I shared one of your videos with a fb group that I run. (& My YT channel :-) They're a great members and they'll enjoy your content.
@@PianoSpiceRackwithJim Thank you! :) :) :)
@@PianoRoadmap you deserve it I know this platform is tough and I always want to support quality content :-)
Welp. Ive made my decision.
The Faber book
And a book full of classical piano pieces
Much thanks for this video!
Exciting! Good luck :)
That was a fantastic comparison! Thank you so much for taking the time to go so in depth with both of these books.
I've been teaching with the Piano Adventures method for a long time but I've always been curious about the Alfred books since I know a lot of other teachers use them as well. That being said, I think this video helped me realize that the Piano Adventures books definitely fit my style of teaching more overall.
Thanks again!
I have both books. I started piano at an early age, around 7 or so, and never had a decent teacher. [Four of 'em over the years and not one worth the money they cost. The first was the worst and probably why I wouldn't practice] I've mostly NOT played piano since and most of what I've learned when I DID play was self-taught. I've learned a lot from both Faber and Alfred. I zoomed through them both at first. Now I'm going back and trying to absorb the lessons more thoroughly.
I'm sorry to hear you've not had great experiences with piano teachers, but glad you've found some enjoyment from these books. Faber also has a TON of supplemental books if you'd like more variety and options (Classics, Pop Tunes, Hymns, etc).
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
Thank you for this. I’m a professional musician but stopped developing on piano basically when I left college and over the years my piano chops have essentially disappeared. It’s shameful, I know. Anyway, time to fix that and I needed some info on where to begin. I appreciate it!!
No problem! Good luck 😃
Thanks for your review. I've been using the Alfred but I'm going to work through the Faber to contrast. Win win 😘
I got the Faber's and I think I did right in buying it, the book itself is very well designed and any way the book, any book on piano, these days is and needs to be complemented with lessons and some of the many online resources and, why not, another book, like the Suzuki, which is in my list already. Thanks for the review.
Agreed, and you're welcome!
Hey Piano Roadmap, I just discovered your channel and I love the name! As the name suggests, I need your guidance in this area. I'm a music producer but not very skilled at playing the piano. I want to advance my piano skills. I purchased both the Alfred All-In-One and the Faber books, and I realized they focus on specific genres like pop and classical. I'm from Africa, and the songs we play here are Afro songs, cultural songs, African gospel, and so on. Can you please recommend other self-help books that can help me? I really like the method in those books, but I'm concerned about going the wrong way based on the style of music we have here. I also want to know if practicing these genres could improve or affect my skills in some way (I am from different genre).
Hello! I know there are some books out there that focus on gospel-style learning, but I'm unsure of any to recommend (not my area!). My question is: how will playing piano improve your producing skills, or how will you use your piano skills as a music producer? Your answer will influence my recommendation. If you would like to answer, please email me (pianoroadmap@gmail.com) since I'm likely not to see your response in a timely manner!
I am an old adult in Toronto. I started to learn when I was 50. The teacher * used Alfred series. I almost completed level 1. Then I did not learn for 15 years.. Now. I found teacher ∆. She uses Faber series: Adult Piano Adventures Level 1. I do not know the difference. I just follow the teachers.
I couldn't decide so bought book 1 of each method and am going to do both to see what works for me and hopefully my playing will be better for it :)
Thank you for the video
Definitely doesn't hurt to have both!
My goal in music is eg. Interstellar or experience. I have no experience at all so which book should I take my long journey with.
I really wanna learn the piano concepts well while moving at a mind bending pace
So which book of the 2 is better to meet such needs????
I prefer the Faber book. A mind-bending pace will be dependent on you and your available time/effort/determination/patience/natural skill.
This was a great video thank you, I appreciate it and your overall vibe here. Have you taken a looking formulated and opinion on piano Marvel?
I own both and work in both regularly. It may slow down my progress as far as leveling up is concerned but I feel fairly confident when I move on to the next concepts. Granted the two don’t progress in lock step but close enough. Rock on!
I love that approach!
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
@@tiaelisha2366 I went back and forth. I started doing about 10 pages of one then 10 of the other. After a while I just did it by feel as to where a good place to switch would be. You will develop a feel for when the concepts change and then switch until it feels about the same. Just get after it and see how it feels.
I'm at the point in Fabers Adult Piano Adventures Book 1, where I need to order my next book. I don't have anything to compare my experience with. I played and sight read another instrument years ago and sometimes find that I would like more complicated pieces, however what my brain thinks and my fingers do proves I need to NOT skip the basics. My observations are that Faber is very well set out. Someone very smart did the layout and I'd give them top marks for that. The content moves you along quite well. I think at least octave scales would be good, but thats the only thing I can think of. I'm guessing the folks who designed the course know a bit more about teaching the piano than I do. The resources available on line for the Faber is enormous. I am getting face to face lessons too and that is very important, especially if you think you should follow the Keith Jarrett piano posture guide. I'm leaning towards Faber Adult Adventures Book 2, and Classics at this point but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks for the video.
Sounds like you have some good observations about the Faber books. It's great that you're getting private lessons, you and your teacher can talk through next steps. It would be good to begin practicing scales and arpeggios if you haven't started already. You can buy separate scale books with fingering if you need them. Good luck!
@@PianoRoadmap Thank you for replying. I did talk to my teacher yesterday and ordered Faber book 2 and the Classics adventures book 2 as well. The delivery times are drawn out at this time of year.
@@philgray1023 Hope they arrive soon! In the meantime, the internet is a fun treasure trove of free music :)
Thank you for this video! Great comparison :]] I've been looking for a great comparison video for a long time.
You're welcome! I'm glad it was helpful to you.
My teacher uses the Leila Fletcher series. It’s graded from book 1 to book 6. I think she must have used it when she first learned piano. The series is like 60 years old. She also uses the John Thompson series for her older students. I think there are five books in this series
I've never heard of the Fletcher series, thanks for sharing.
@@PianoRoadmap It's old school method much like John Thompson modern course and John W. Schaum
@@製仗哥布林都毋下陷 Ah, thanks!
I recently purchased the ebook version of Alfred's but for the first time in years, find myself wanting a print edition. I looked into Faber and felt it was more suited to me. I ordered Faber and just received it. What a great book. I plan to use both (might as well get the best of both worlds). I like how Alfred's seems to have more written exercises. I also purchased two songbooks that coincide with the Faber books (classical and pop). I prefer classical piano to pop, but it should be nice to learn both. Thank you for this informative video!
Great idea to use both books + supplemental material! Good luck 😃
Update... Since using the books rather than the apps, I find my playing has improved.. especially my sight reading. Some apps are too focused on you just following on screen but not actually reading the notes.
@@northyorkcentre This is SO GOOD to hear! Better sight reading and note reading can open up so many new music possibilities. Keep it up!
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
I'm learning on my own. I'm on page 65 of Alfred's... more cords being introduced. But I do find that I am stuck in my positions and have trouble navigating notes out of position. So I'm going to go through the first half or so of Faber before I move on with Alfred's. Then I will integrate them both. Faber looked too "non musical" with no staffs at the beginning and very late introduction of cords, but now I see why. Thanks. I think they will complement each other.
Good luck, and I'd love to hear how it goes once you switch back to Alfred!
As a complete beginner and self-learning (without a teacher) I have this book (alfred adult all in one). I'm just wondering, how will I know when to progress to the next topic/page? Any tips?
Great question, and there's no easy answer. Don't feel like you need to perfect every single piece and exercise in the book, but choose one piece every once in a while (maybe every 10-15 pages) so that you will get to the highest level you are able. The main purpose of these method books is to introduce foundational skills and knowledge. Just know that the Alfred book tends to progress very quickly (IMO), so don't feel rushed, especially when you get towards the middle. Good luck!
I am only about 2 months into the Faber method and my work schedule doesn't allow me more than 4 days per week to practice. I hit a wall on Russian Folk Song cos aside from section A I found it very uninspiring and was struggling to finish learning the tune. So I decided to get another outlook and purchased the Alfred too about a week ago. Already what I love about the Alfred are the worksheets to compliment and consolidate what I have learned. Yes I know Susan offers the same for the Faber but I honestly can't afford it. Both methods have a lot going for them and am enjoying the journey so far.
I'm using a different Alfred series called Premier Piano Express. (There is also the Premier Piano version; the difference is that the first 4 books in the Express version combine a performance book with the lesson book and move a little bit quicker. Then you can go to the regular Books 5 and 6 if you want. You'll probably need the lesson and performance books for those last 2 levels.)
I really like it so far as a returning beginner. It introduces intervals early on which I found very helpful. The creators call the approach a "non-position reading approach" that borrows from "middle C method, intervalic method, and multi-key reading method." They talk about "landmark notes" but you do not always play newly introduced notes with the same finger so you don't associate the name of a note with a finger number. I learned in my teens with the five finger middle C position approach and I think this way is miles better. The interval piece was like light shining down! :)
I also have the Faber Books and want to reinforce what I am learning so I plan on doing them, too, as a refresher down the line. Most of the music is not well known as it was written by piano teachers emulating various styles. Martha Mier and Dennis Alexander wrote many of the pieces and they are well done. I'm 48 years old and I find the books very appealing, well paced, and balanced. I did consider the more frequently used Alfred Adult course but I felt it was a bit too chord heavy for what I am looking for, at least for right now. I do want to learn chords but after I get back to sight reading better.
The downside for some is that much of the music won't be familiar although I did notice later books start using more famous pieces. I am loving this series and plan on going through the whole 6 books.
I am excited to follow your channel! :)
Hi Laura! I didn't know about the Alfred PRemier Piano Express. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! I love that they're approaching it in a "non-position" way. I also love Martha Mier and Dennis Alexander. Sounds like you're on the right path! Good luck!
Awesome comparison. I was leaning on Alfreds at first but since you showed their difference, I decided to pick Fabers. Im a beginner that is inclined in classical music and reading music. Though i have a question; is the Piano Adventures book the only one or does it have a series like alfreds books (that has book 1,2,3...)
Hi there, and glad the comparison helped you make a decision :) There are 2 books in the Adult Piano Adventures Books. After you finish the 2 books, the idea is that you have enough knowledge to pick your own repertoire from there. Good luck!
@@PianoRoadmap thank you!
After the 2 adult books your suppose to pick up at book 3a or 3b can’t remember in the main series and continue from there hope this helped!
@@karatedrew4451 Some can even jump right to 4
Awesome comparison! Thank you for making such great contents. 👍👍👏👏
I'm a returning beginner, so I haven't compared Faber vs Alfred. I started Faber and nearly finished the first book, but I came to feel that scales and chords would be handy much earlier in learning classical music. I'm not from the US, and the selection of pieces was heavily American. This was a put-off for me as they were not familiar to me and I was bored. In my group of adult piano learners, it's true that the majority recommend Alfred, so I'm curious if they are similar. I eventually looked for a teacher, but keeping regular lessons is also quite difficult for a busy adult.
Thank you so much for this excellent comparison. I have used both series in my music studio,in addition to John Thompson. I also supplement with pieces from Martha Mier which are wonderful.
You're very welcome! I love Martha Mier's music.
Good information! Thanks for sharing.
I had lessons on the Faber book.
It's a great book, but need a refreshing
Adult Piano Adventures All-In-One, books 1 and 2 in Spiral bound. I wish the Classical, Pop and Christmas were in spiral as well.
I agree! Spiral-bound books make life so much easier 😄
Excellent analysis! Thank you very much!
Glad it was helpful!
I have Faber but also other beginner books for blues & pop. So when I have time in my practice session I supplement with content from those other books. Not sure if it's a good idea cause I'm just a student, what do I know, but it adds variety at least.
Thank you so much for your video! Great review, I am just about to start my piano journey. Maybe i should track my progress. I just came across your channel and I subscribed you. I will try to follow your videos and keep track on it. I have not yet purchased the books but I will still take time to take a decission. Lets see hopefully i can play something by christmas!
You've got this! Thanks so much for subscribing, and best wishes on your piano journey. Keep me updated!
Hi! This video was served up to my by UA-cam suggestions this morning. I was curious because I do a piano tutorial channel here on UA-cam where I stay away from books and theory - my focus is to just get people up and playing some fun songs. Unfortunately, it was these types of books and the lessons that made me quit playing piano when I was young. Playing popular songs that people can recognize is the focus of what I do.
This is a great video though - you do a great job!! I'm glad I found your channel!!
It's good you do what you do, because I know a lot of people probably benefit from it when they just want to learn a song or two! But I also know many people actually enjoy knowing the music theory part, or the "whys" of music and piano. We all learn differently. Thanks so much for stopping by!
@@PianoRoadmap You bet Susan!! Glad we connected, and I will be an avid follower of your channel. Maybe you'll teach ME something!!! I am subscriber #235 on your channel!! Yeah!!!
Thank you.. As a beginner my self and self taught, I bought 2 of them. But I choose Faber just because the pages look nicer 🤭 because I know nothing…. Thank you for your explanation, now I am glad I choose and completed faber Adult book. I also upload my piano journey video 😅😊😘
Hey, looks matter! 😃 I agree that the Faber book looks better overall. And I just checked out your channel and I'm impressed! Very cool to see your journey as a self taught pianist!
This is a very useful video for me. I've been learning from an app and wanted to start from the beginning and reinforcing the basics. Id heard about Alfreds but I initially had problems getting away from the C position and additionally I don't want to follow an approach which is too chord heavy, so thanks for this!
You’re welcome!
you got my subscribe, I was looking for such review. you are awesome
Thank you!
Thanks for your honest comparison. I have purchased both and I'm following almost at the same speed. One thing that's true is you have the sensation that Alfred progress slowly, even a bit boring, but at the same time it could be useful to self-learning people that need to repeat some concepts over and over again to learn, I don't know.
Yep, that's true. It's great that we have so many method options since we all learn differently and at different speeds.
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
@@tiaelisha2366 I jumped fron one to the other and when I reached about half of both, I started playing some basic repertoire books, like Alferd's Masterwork Classics 1-2 and Faber's Adult Piano Adventures Classics, both of them have helped me to progress on reading, rhythm and dynamics. And keepng my pace with the method books, of course.
Great breakdown of the two methods.
Thank your for your insight on the books. Since I just recently bought my first Piano a DGX 670 as one of my friend also plays and wanted to get into arranger keyboards and I wanted to get started with my journey. I will go with both the books. I will start with Alferd and keep trying to incorparate music that doesn't heavily depend on C. And once I finish level one I will start the Faber book and make sure my base is completely solid. Would you recommend any other books to actually expand on this learning phase? I really want to eventually Learn Classical, Boogie woogie and Electronic music. I do intend on getting a teacher eventually to polish out the kinks I may have and learn more genres possibly or insturments on an arranger.
I think doing both the Alfred and Faber will be more than enough to get you started. And I love your idea of eventually getting a teacher. It sounds like you have specific goals and a teacher (even if you only study with them for a short period of time) will be able to guide you in the right direction. Good luck!
Thanks!!!
Will be 65 in July--which is to say, a "boomer" here. I was given the John Thompson "Adult Preparatory" piano book to start out with, and then I went through two more of the J.T. books after
that. I must say that I enjoyed the music in the books, much of which was comprised of simplified but still enjoyable arrangements of various classical pieces. And some attractive arrangements of folk songs as well. Musically, I think the J.T. books outshine the offerings in Faber and Alfred. The latter two are more contemporary, but if you are more interested in getting a taste of great
classical music, I would recommend the John Thompson books. That's just my experience, and I'm sure there must be attractive features to different method books as well. I'd just add that, for me, it was essential that I enjoyed the music in the J.T. books. If the music had been more mediocre and ho-hum-ish, I wouldn't have been as motivated to practice. OK, one more comment. Even though the J.T. method starts with "middle C" and hovers around there for awhile, eventually it branches out. As it happens, over the years I became a pretty good sight reader--since I took more and more pleasure from the piano and from reading through unfamiliar pieces, so I don't think that a middle-C introduction to the piano necessarily means students will be at a big disadvantage as they progress. My dad was a fine pianist--with much better fingers than I have--and he used to sometimes play an easy arrangement of a gorgeous theme from the Franck D-minor Symphony. I think he learned that from one of the method books he studied as a kid. I wish I knew what that book was--I'd love to play that arrangement he played! I also wish that Franck had written more for the piano! We have his two big concert works, the Prelude, Chorale, and Fugue, and the Prelude, Aria, and Finale, and one or two short pieces. I find his harmonic idiom so attractive, but the those two concert works are a handful and then some. Cheers to one and all out there!
Thanks for your comment! I'll have to look through the John Thompson books. It wasn't something that I had as a kid or going through school, so it never has been on my radar. Regarding Franck, sounds like you'd be a good candidate to learn organ --- he's got a lot of fine organ works that capture his symphonic style! 😃
@@PianoRoadmap I had read lots of praise regarding the Faber book for adults, and I went out and bought it, maybe somehow imagining that I might teach piano "one day," and since so many people were singing its praises....But then I read through various of the pieces in the book and my feeling was that they weren't very involving. Maybe they were more "accessible" for beginning students, but if the music itself is "ho hum," then there's no motivation to practice it. For me--at least as an amateur pianist--it's all about how much I love the music. I could care less if I'm "being introduced to" arpeggiated triads or the whole tone scale, etc. All of that theoretical stuff always bored me to death. Worst
of all, for me, is the dull analysis along the lines of, "This is the A theme. This here is A-one. This is the B theme. And now we return to the A theme. And now we fall into a
state of catatonia." Snore!! In any case, the John Thompson method--regardless of how "unmethodical" it might well have been--tended to have good music in it from fairly early on.
Then again, I'm old enough to have been grateful for all the arrangements of famous symphonic themes, and the general focus on the classical piano "canon." These days I suppose a lot of young people might prefer to study jazz piano. That's something I came to on my own, starting with ragtime, and thanks mostly to those great Nonesuch recordings by Joshua Rifkin of various of the Joplin rags. My dad had exactly one slim folio of jazz arrangements, and those were two-page arrangements by George Shearing of various "Great American songbook" tunes. Including "Over the Rainbow," "Don't Blame Me," "I'm In the Mood For Love," "For All We Know," etc. A wonderful folio, by the way! My dad never read through it. It was just this old folio that was among his many volumes of music. I'm curious how he got it, but I'll never know, or at least not on "this side of the veil." The John Thompson books suited me, on the whole, but I can imagine that "today's young people" might not have enough familiarity with classical music to be able to enjoy the J.T. books as readily. I wish Franck had written more for the piano! We have his two large concert works, the Prelude, Chorale and Fugue, and the Prelude, Aria and Finale, but not much else. But as for the organ?? Someone once described it as "the pope of musical instruments," and that image somehow seems right. No slight on "the Pope," but the sound of the organ is too cold for me. It can be "magnificent," but somehow it doesn't touch me in the way the piano can. There is a volume of Franck easy organ pieces that were arranged for the piano, but my volume is buried in a box of music in a storage locker in Ohio--possibly never to be seen again by yours truly given the cost of shipping these days. But I always wished that my dad had the music around for that one bit he always used to play from the Franck D minor Symphony! It was something he memorized many years ago, no doubt from whatever piano method book he was going through at the time. But, anyway, can you recommend any Franck organ works to me that you love? Especially shorter works, since my attention span isn't the greatest. IMSLP is a treasure chest, of course. I've often found arrangements for the piano of symphonies, chamber music, and songs there. Maybe it's time for me to revisit the Franck page there again. Wishing you all the best, and lots of continuing and growing love for music!
Hello,
After watching your video I am thinking about buying Faber book. I am more into learning proper techniques and reasons why things are what they are. It helps you understand the context of what are you planing to play/write.
I do have 2 questions tho.
1. You compare first book of Alfred and Faber. But how does it compare with the rest of the course. Alfred have another 2 after level 1, so maybe in your opinion, considering the whole course, the 3 level Alfred course is better then Faber 2 level course, because maybe in the second one they catch up with techniques. Or maybe after 2 lvl Faber you recommend to switch to 3 lvl Alfred. Or Piano adventures Is generally better for someone who want more in-depth piano,music knowledge?
2. At the moment I was able to afford to buy yamaha psr e373 keyboard. No weight on the keys but they are touch sensitive. I have a good sustain pedal too. Do you think the Faber book is still good for me or you recommend something else. Will those 61 keys will be a problem with the books really fast? Or they are not using all the octaves at the same time straight away?
Thank you very much for very informative video. :)
1) I prefer how the Faber books progress. Alfred tends to get too difficult too fast IMO. The Alfred Book 2 is more difficult and more awkward pianistically than the Faber Book 2. I feel book method books teach in-depth piano knowledge. Honestly, I never use Alfred book 3. By that time, I feel everyone is ready to play other repertoire outside of the books (i.e. whatever you want).
2) You will be ok in both Alfred & Faber with only 61 keys for all of Book 1 & 98% of Book 2. If you get to the point where you're ready to upgrade, I highly suggest getting one that is weighted.
Good luck!
@@PianoRoadmap Thank you very much for the answer. I will go with Faber then.
I would like to have a proper electronic piano but at this stage I am just renting a room in the other side of the world and might move randomly so something smaller works better at the moment. Less stress about the transport and damage.
I was using yousician app, almost finished level 6 but got really c position depended, bit lost with other stuff unless I memorized it and I reached the point that I was able to play harder stuff but without an idea how, what and why I am doing it. That is why I want go back to something more complex, to understand the context. :)
Thank you very much again.
Working through the faber adult all in one books, haven’t gotten the Alfred books but my teacher recommended a theory book from Alfred. Im a total beginner and I guess my sightreading isnt as good as I thought it was😅
I’m so gald I found u ! I was confused what to get u helped me alot thx
Great to hear, thanks!
Thank you for this useful comparison. I’m just about to start learning piano although I’ve played classical guitar and flute for many years. My reading on the G clef is ok but the Bass clef for me is the issue. Is one method better than the other for tackling this? Look forward to exploring more of your videos.
I would suggest going with the Faber book if you're looking to improve your bass clef reading. They have pieces with more active LH roles (rather than just playing chords). Also, when I had to learn how to read alto clef as an adult, I found that writing notes out on manuscript paper really helped me. For example, I would take a melody that was written in the treble clef and write it down in the alto clef. That's something you could try as well. Good luck!
Love your videos!! Thanks so much!!
You're welcome, so glad you like them!
Thanks for this. I’m not sure if this is a valid question but even so… does the lack of chord studies in Volume 1 of the Faber book get made up for in Volume 2.
Yes, especially starting in Unit 4.
@@PianoRoadmapAh good thanks.
Im curious if you have a book that you would recommend for someone that isn't interested as much in note reading and covering songs, but more interested in writing, creating, improvising, etc. Would love a response!! Also thanks for the video, I teach music lessons and I still haven't quite found any book that really suits my style of teaching, as you can probably tell I am more about using the piano or any instrument as a voice, as a creation and discovery tool, there's so many cool things to discover about music and theory and how to use it and also how to just have fun and make mistakes and explore and experiment, basically I think it's a shame how many people take piano lessons but so few actually create and improvise, so many are locked into these rudimentary techniques. I teach guitar to a kid who has taken 5 years of piano but has never played the pentatonic scale, nor the blues scale, nor the harmonic minor. I'm like WHAT! that's some of the most fun stuff to use! and the list goes on. Anyway, thanks again!
Hi Aaron! I'm pretty traditional when it comes to learning music, meaning that I strongly believe in creating a musical foundation by first learning the basics (what you receive from method books). It doesn't mean that one couldn't supplement this with other things, but once the basics are covered, the musical paths are endless! But I agree with you, there is so much to discover and create. As far as recommended books, I'd say any basic music theory book is a great place to begin (solid knowledge and understanding of major/minor keys, scales, and tonal western harmony). From there, simple score study is INVALUABLE. Download a piece from IMSLP, listen as you follow with the score, and analyze what the composer did. Practice writing your own piece "inspired" by that composer, using some of the same chord progressions, theme development, and basic textures. Practice improvising in this same way.
Before I discovered your channel I had already purchased the Alfred's level 1. I know this is an old video, but it is right the your current Piano Roadmap course includes the Faber book or do we need to purchase the Faber books to follow along with your course?
Hello! The Faber book must be purchased separately.
@@PianoRoadmap thank you for replying, I found that info on your site after asking here lol. Ordered the book :)
Hey! Could you please give me some advice? im 22 yr i've been playing piano for about 7 years now (i started at 15) i learned a lot from youtube, i had a couple of piano teachers through the years but probably haven't had more than 5 in person lessons all together. i play well by ear and i play on all keys! (no transpose whatsoever). i use the app chordify to play and see the chord changes throughout songs. could you please recommend me a book or two? one to learn to read music notes that i think could help me but also i need a book to guide me. i love fusion, funk, jazz and blues but i can't quite understand them. i'm probably considered some kind of intermediate idk. Thank you!
Hi there! Since you're trying to learn how to read music, I'd use a method book like the Alfred or Faber in this video. Personally, I like the Faber a bit better. Learning how to read music is pretty easy, it's transferring it to the keys and learning how to read FAST that is tricky. After that, you can pivot to studying jazz or blues (or whatever else you want!). Good luck!
Sorry totally messed up my comment below I have just completed book 1 Alfred should I know go onto Alfred book 2 and 3 or do Fabier book 1 and 2 then back to Alfreds book 2 and 3? Or complete all Alfred books then do Fabier? Brought all books so want to use them but in order that would benefit me. Was grade 6 before about 30 years ago. Also how much do you charge for zoom lessons?
Ah, ok. I just replied to your other comment, but this makes it a little clearer. If you just finished Alfred 1, I don't see any reason to go back and do Faber book 1 especially since you have some prior piano experience. You may want to go through it and practice some of the pieces for fun, but there's no need to study every page. If you have the time, you can do Alfred and Faber Book 2 at the same time, but again, not totally necessary. After you complete a book 2, you can go on to Alfred Book 3, but you might find it more enjoyable to pick pieces that you enjoy and are not in a method book.
Great video very useful
In addition to the Alfred book I also bought, "How to Play Piano" by Pamela D. Pike from the Great Courses on line. I'm glad I bought it on sale for a cheap price because after about the 5th lesson I felt I was in over my head. IN MY OPINION this course tries to cram 2-3 years worth of piano lessons into 36 lessons. It introduces many good concepts early on but doesn't go deep enough into them before going on to the next lesson and never seems to come back to them and cover them in sufficient depth. I think this course is more for someone who used to play piano and now wants a refresher course as opposed to someone who is trying to learn from scratch. I got up to lesson 13 before giving up. The book is a good reference and as I improve I plan on coming back to it, but I would discourage any beginner from getting it as a way to learn piano. Especially if you have problems coordinating your two hands. I still have problems going back and trying to sight read and play correctly some of the lessons I completed two years ago. I'm in my late 60s and have been trying to learn piano for 5 years. NOT my favorite piano method book/course by a long shot.
Interesting, I had not heard of that series by Pamela Pike. I think that most method books, especially adult methods, would benefit from supplementary material (scales, other piano literature, etc), because they do start to progress faster than what is comfortable. We often need more time at a specific level to truly absorb the new concepts.
Oh wow your channel is so neat! Will definitely be binge watching the other videos on my next day off :) You make such strong points for both of these books.... I love the promise of a challenge from Faber but it Alfred sounds like someone who's hold my hand the whole way, need to sleep on it to choose :D
Would you happen to have any Music Theory book recommendations? There are so many of them I don't even know where to start and I'm very curious about what kind of literature piano lovers enjoy and/or find helpful (sorry if you answered this question in any other of your videos, I didn't get to watch them yet!) :)
Hi, and thanks for your kind words! There ARE many theory books out there. I like Alfred's Essentials of Music Theory: (www.amazon.com/Alfreds-Essentials-Music-Theory-Bk/dp/0882848941/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8). This is a great resource if you're a beginner. They also have a book 2 & 3. There are also ear training exercises, but you have to buy the CD separately. And do people even have CD players anymore?? 😆
As far as piano literature, I'm happy to give some recommendations if you'd like to reply with your approximate piano level. And if you have more questions, feel free to join our free Facebook group, Piano Roadmap Community: facebook.com/groups/pianoroadmap
Get the Alfred book, got it.
Merci for this. I might order one of them, and at my level and ambitions I think Faber would be better.
Since I am in a French speaking region of a foreign country, I had bought a book by Pierre Minvielle-Sébastia. Unfortunately I think it is for intermediate players. French don't use the ABCDEFG method, they use Do Ré Mi Fa Sol La Ti method. It takes some getting used to, n'est-ce pas?
Ah, that would be a little confusing to switch to the ABCDEFG method. If you do end up getting the Faber, I hope it works out for you. So do you use "fixed do", where C is always Do or is it moveable where do is dependent on the key?
Even with such a helpful comparison, I'm still lost. I have absolutely no idea what to do still.
I'm really sorry you're feeling lost. If you're on Facebook, join our free & private group and post a specific question & some background info (how long you've been playing, have you worked with a teacher, etc) and I and other community members will be happy to help: facebook.com/groups/pianoroadmap
Intervals are the way to go...
My niece who’s 8 started getting into piano and took my Alfred book and I’m currently teaching her with that book. It seems complicated for her so do you have any recommendations? They can’t afford a teacher and I’m the only option she has right now.
Your niece is lucky to have you! I love the Bastien books & Faber books. These are both meant for younger learners, so they go slower & seem more entertaining and fun. Each level has multiple books that work together (Lesson, Theory, Performance, Technique). Make sure to definitely get the Lesson book. The other books are great to have, but the Lesson book is where you'll get the basic info. Good luck!
Bastien: www.amazon.com/WP201-Bastien-Piano-Basics-Level/dp/0849752663
Faber: www.amazon.com/Adventures-Learning-Performance-Technique-Artistry/dp/B06XDRKVJ1/ref=asc_df_B06XDRKVJ1/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366282406038&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14119694577641515864&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026926&hvtargid=pla-793245355655&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=78795692560&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366282406038&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14119694577641515864&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026926&hvtargid=pla-793245355655
@@PianoRoadmap thank you I will look into these!
How about using both book at the same time? Would that be too confusing? I am 2/3 of the Alfred book. But I also want to try Faber and be able to play all sort of music including clasical
Great question. I don't think it would be too confusing. While it's not necessary to use both books, I believe it would reinforce and supplement what you've already learned in the Alfred book. Just don't feel like you need to play every single page in the Faber.
I'm working my way through both, as well as the Faber theory books. Slow but satisfying! I probably need real lessons though, I want to move along more quickly.
I'm a fan of the slow but satisfying route. Sometimes when we try to move along too quickly, we get to a point where it's overwhelming and really frustrating. Good luck working through your books!
I’ve just bought both but I’m not sure how to structure practice sessions. Did you do chapter one of one then do chapter one of the other? Or did you finish one book then move on to the other? :)
@@tiaelisha2366 basically a unit of one, then a unit of the other, back and forth. When I finished book 2 in both, I bailed on the 2 method method and went all in on Adult Piano Adventures 2 all-in-one, which is the next step after the beginner book 2. Good luck!
I have 64 keys keyboard, is it ok to learn with fabor?
Yes, you will be able to play most of the pieces. There are a few mini-exercises at the beginning of the book that take you all the way up and down the keyboard, and then maybe 1 or 2 pieces towards the end where you'll be missing some keys. Overall, it'll work well!
@@PianoRoadmap thank you for the reply
Getting both 😎
Merci. I have Faber volume 1 and Alfred Volume 2. But I prefer John Thompson as well as La Mèthode Rose in British and French. It’s actually too advanced to be for beginners, and it’s certainly not for children.
hello, thanks for the video! could you maybe tell me your opinion on the "accelarated piano adventures for the older beginner", I read a comment saying this series is superior to the faber adult adventure book. thanks in advance
Hello! I can see how many people would prefer the Accelerated Piano Adventures for the Older Beginner. It goes at a slightly slower pace and feels more complete. My main complaint with most Adult Method books is that they get difficult quite quickly. The Accelerated series gives you more time to work your way up to harder pieces.
I wondered about this. What I saw was the accelerated series contains some of the same things as the adult adventures book 1. I don't feel accelerated but could play the stuff in the Accelerated book 1 because of doing the Adult Adventures Book 1.
Is there anu book sequence which I can consider if ai want to start from the beginning. Also want to know if I start from Alfred and after completing 4-5 books, can I switch to faber, will it ease me to learn piano?
I've heard people say that they switched books and it really helped them feel like they were getting a complete foundation set. If it were me, I'd begin with the Faber Book 1. Once you get through that, you have the option of going to Faber Book 2 or beginning your piano journey away from method books.
@@PianoRoadmapThank you so much 😊
@@PianoRoadmap method books, like???😕
@@manishkhanna1586 Method books, meaning books like Alfred and Faber.
I Did The First Book Of The Faber Series And I Just Purchased The Second Book. I Also Did The First Twenty Exercises On The Hanon. All That On A Period Of One Year And A Half With A Teacher, I Need A Teacher. So, I Was Thinking About You. Im One Block Away From The University That Has A Music Department, I Was Thinking About Them Also. Oh, I Did One Year And A Half Of Piano Theory. I Can Play Other Instrument By The Way. I want to Learn Counterpoint Species In, Classical, Jazz, Cuban And Spanish Music. I Want To Start A Sonora Band With Four trumpets and Make My Own Band
Going to a music university for private piano lessons is a great place to start!
@@PianoRoadmap Do You Give Private Lessons Online? I Graduated In 2011 And I Played Trombone In The Orchestra. I Played In Puerto Rico As A Kid And Also Here In High School. I Can Read Bass, Tenor And Treble Clefs. I Was 1st Trombone In A Popular Salsa Band And Lead Trumpet In The Jazz Ensemble At Boy's Harbor In Harlem. I Did The Eslava solfège Method And I Can Play Sousaphone. Now I Have No Dentures. I've Been Taking Piano Lessons For 3yrs. But My Teacher Is In China Now
@@PianoRoadmap I Played With The Orchestra At The University Back In The Eighties 2nd Trombone
@@PianoRoadmap The University Is A Block Away But I Want To Study With You
I have finished book 1 Alred book but don't know to continue with Alfred book 2, then go to Fabier book 1 and 2 then Alfred book 3 or. Fabier book 1 and 2 then Alfred book 2 and 3. What order would you do? Also how much do you charge for a cool lesson?
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I would either switch to Faber Book 2 (not 1!) or continue on with Alfred Book 2. With either of these options, you can supplement it with some other pieces that are not in a method book (Minuet in G by Bach or some other kinds of music if you're not interested in classical) and/or supplement it with a technique book or scales. Dozen a Day series is great. After you finish book 2 in either Faber or Alfred, you might want to stop method books altogether and work on pieces that you love.
@@franhenson6949 Email me for my current rates (pianoroadmap@gmail.com)
Thanks for your reply.
Hi, would there be any benefits from using both books? Or would this be useless? If so, why? Because I would like to know both pop and classical. I'm about to start my piano learning journey. Thanks for your advice.
I think using both books is a great idea! As far as new piano principles and theory go, it can help to have 2 different sources as they'll explain things slightly differently. And sometimes I think both method books go too quickly, so by using both, you might be able to find a better pace. I'd say, definitely try both out for a good chunk of time, but don't be afraid to amend your plan after a few months if you need to. I'll be interested to know what one you end up preferring! Thanks for your question, and GOOD LUCK!
@@PianoRoadmap thanks for your reply. I will give you an update in a few months. 👍 ordered both books and will start on delivery
@@studioleopold95 how is working with both like so far? I have 0 musical skills/background and I just ordered a digital piano and am excited to learn how to play it but would rather stick to one book if I could.
@@luciusrex I’m still using Alfred. I’m happy with it.
@@studioleopold95 I'll probably buy both too. But leaning towards Faber, already ordered the Faber adventure 1. Thanks!
Thanks !
You're welcome 😊
Thanks so much for this! Even though I’m blues and pop based, I was already leaning toward Faber Adult Piano Adventures for several reasons, and this video helped seal the deal. I’m already taking the Piano for All course where I’m getting plenty of chords, blues and jazz, and the Faber books do a nice job of filling in the gaps. Not to mention, I also enjoy Classical and my sight reading skills need work.
It sounds like you are well informed and you're doing your research! ❤️🎹 I think you'll be happy with the Faber book, sounds like just what you need at the moment! Good luck!
u have turned off cc auto English subtitles? only translation is available in cc
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I haven't switched any settings, and my other videos still have cc titles in English. For some reason, this video is auto-translating, and I can't turn it off. Even the auto-generated transcript is in Korean. I managed to get it to "translate" into English, but it was garble. It's very strange, especially since I don't even speak Korean. I'm trying to fix it, but so far, no luck.
I have been taking lesson for last 8 years and am disappointed with my progress.
I feel that I don’t press keys correctly and therefore the notes don’t sound clearly as I am skimming through. This is I think is due to bad habits picked up over the year. Can you suggest how I can correct this issue? Thanks
Hello, thanks for your question. Before I answer, I'd like to know if you've been taking lessons from a private teacher or are you learning on your own?
Hello, I know I'm a little late to the party, but hopefully you can still see this comment. So I have been working through the Alfred book (around page 70), but the Faber has been looking really appealing recently. I do plan to finish the first Alfred book at least, but after that, do you recommend switching over to the Faber if that's what I'd like? Would the transition be too difficult? Thank you!
I don't think the transition will be too difficult and you may find it helps you "cover more bases". Just be sure to research and take your time if you find there are some things that need to be reviewed or learned when/if you switch over. If you end up doing this, let me know how it goes!
@@PianoRoadmap Sounds good. I believe I will make the switch, so I’ll be back to this comment in the next month to let you know how it goes!
Thanks!