Wasteland - The Secret History of Fallout
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Wasteland is a hugely important game from 1988, one of the first ever post-apocalyptic RPGs, and in a very real sense the first Fallout game - so let's take a look at how both franchises came to be...
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Finds a lost child in a dark cave,
Child: "Oh thank you for saving me"
Desert Rangers: "RUN! TAKE COVER!"
Rex was okay after all. He got a brain transplant, some fake legs, and a new owner who talks like Elvis.
then a drug addict courier takes him to a town of super mutants and gets him another brain
One thing you should have pointed out, there's a lot of what was the time, innovative versatility, because they used an actual Pen and Paper RPG system as the base and wanted to have it feel the same. So for example, that first door you picked. You didn't have to pick it. If you only had a character with safe cracking, they could also use it to open the door, just not as easily. A strong character could have used strength to break it down. A slightly weaker character could have used a crowbar, or sledgehammer, to bust it open. Explosives such as TNT, Plastic Explosive, or even grenades could be used to blow it open. You could even use the various portable rocket launchers to blast it to smithereens. And finally, the most overpowered stat in the game, Luck, could often be used to luckily stumble on things (though I think that door you couldn't luck open, but I know there are several safes that it will work on because you just guess right on the combination).
Sometimes even high perception would work, as you might, say, find a key under a doormat (I think that's in the game somewhere). Also, the game checks perception if there is anything near you every time you move, but it is not as good as the full 'Use perception' skill. So a 3-4 perception character might notice the cave without needing to look. You also gain exp that isn't displayed for automatic or even used abilities. If Angela Deth picks the lock, she gets a bit of exp for it.
The match is usable down there in the cave, but I forget where, I think it might be right where you came in? It lets you see the dog at a distance, and changes the name of the dog to something else, and makes the fight slightly easier. Note that hydrophobia is a classic sign of rabies, btw. Thus the note.
A few other things: Canteens for each character are absolutely necessary for travel in the heavier desert, otherwise you take damage every step. If you wander around at night there is an actual game effect: You can see the glow of radiation at a distance, thus avoid it. And skills can be improved through use as well as spending skill points, which you earn by raising your intelligence. Walking back and forth in the water will give you a chance to improve your swim skill. There are slippery sand dunes that improve acrobatics. Etc.
The hint about the man older than the wasteland is about the equivalent of Mama Murphy giving a cryptic clue about Kellogg. It won't help until significantly later.
One interesting thing that carries over kind of into Fallout is that the NPC's you hire are not fully under your control. You hire one with a cool gun, they might refuse to hand it to another character, unless they've already been given a better one. They can also do things in combat you would not normally do, against large, potentially dangerous enemies they might fire all the ammo in their weapon when you are trying to carefully whittle it down with 3 shot bursts from everyone as it approaches. Or instead of attacking, they may move on their own. Oh! The best thing about splitting the party members off is they could be split way off, let's say you got 3 rad suits and wanted to cross a radiation zone, you could literally drop two people off in Highpool and take the other three across the map. Though it will swap to the other party in combat and make you Evade them, which is annoying.
This comment needs to be stickied or whatever you can do on UA-cam now. It's really good advice not just for Jon, but new players trying Wasteland for the first time.
This comment is so good it's more of a walkthrough than a comment.
@@flagtheoffense Thank you.
I actually, long long ago, under a different handle, wrote an incredibly comprehensive walkthrough. I actually looked for it a few years ago, but it no longer exists (not surprising, I uploaded it to a few BBS sites but in 1989 had no access to even the big FidoNET board chains).
@@copperhamster well, it's also an ad. When I'm done with plat'ing Vegas, I'm going to go back to a few old style RPG's I never finished, including Torment and Wasteland(s)
@@copperhamster shit, I never did finish Legacy of the Ancients back in the day
grognak and the ruby ruins looks different than I recalled...
“Perception is really important” oh Jon. You’re stuffed then
Unless he completely accidentally stumbles across something he’s not looking for. Then his perception becomes 25.
He's flippin' ballsed.
:D
But Jon has high luck. It's okay, ma'am. Things are fine.
"We just have to be the bigger person and walk away."
-Jon, on potentially beating up a sad child
EDIT: Nevermind.
To be fair, he didn't beat Bobby up...
He just out and out murdered him...
HE LITERALLY PULLED A GUN ON ME.
@@ManyATrueNerd Yeah, fair play.
I mean, in the modern day U.S., I can shoot a child in self-defense.
(I will be arrested and held for the entire investigation, and hopefully have video evidence backing up my story. But theoretically, I would be found innocent.)
IT WAS A BB GUN JONATHAN
Hell Razor, Angela Deth, Snake Vargas and...
Steve Smith.
Then you realize that his initials are SS, which could mean the Nazi variety.
@@WingMaster562 AH YES
SOMEONE HAS TWO NAMES THAT START WITH "S" THEY MUST BE A NAZI.
@@Panzerbunn that's the punchline of my joke, yes.
I am so happy to see this game again. I never have the attention to make it all the way through a replay but I will relish watching Jon do it.
Ah Jon. Starting a new channel plan then absolutely failing to keep up to your own expectations that are far higher than our own and giving us another just as great video as compensation. Never change!
The first post-apocalyptic role-playing game came out in 1976 and was called Metamorphosis Alpha. It was tabletop and used dice and a real rule book. I still have my copy bought in 1978.
You even meet the Grim Reaper if your entire party dies. This game's really got some of Fallout's dark humour as well. Love it. XD
"Murdering children... that's evil"
Two minutes earlier after hiring Jackie the juve - "So she's a bit of a front liner, too".
Oh dear... and this is BEFORE he talks to Bobby again...
I'd love to see a Wasteland 2 run, I never played the original but my goodness was Wasteland 2 a huge amount of fun.
I started watching this channel a few years ago as a way to distract me while dealing with major depression. I've had a hard time of it again recently and stopped watching as I find it hard to concentrate nowadays. This was nice to watch though, so I guess I just wanted to say thanks for still putting out some great content. I've a lot to try and catch up on at some point and I look forward to doing it.
Man hope you're doing better, keep your head up yeah?.
Now if you like fallout type games try "Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead", it's like the dwarf fortress of fallout type games
Oh man, I'd love to see that.
@@builttoserve5719 It's a great game and would make one hell of a video, but I wouldn't call it intuitive, so Jon might have a hard time figuring it out
It doesn't have a learning curve so much as a 50ft tall learning cliff, but once you drag yourself over it it's a really fun and in-depth game
I literally probably have hundreds of hours playing CDDA with Jon rambling on in the background, watching him actually play it might be a really weird experience
that said, I really want to see Jon set his starting shelter on fire, try to beat a zombie to death with his underwear and die in 10 mins since that's probably the most realistic outcome of a first time CDDA player
@@cis_eraser_420 I can confirm this. I died many, many times before getting a stable run. It helps if you have a saved template and keep mass producing corpses with it. Ah, Harrison Fords 1 through 24, you made 25th's life possible.
The over 100 years old man who sent you to kill the bunny master is older than the wasteland.
I know this probably isn't a planned series...but more episodes of this would be amazing...I've been recently playing wasteland 2 on my switch and just this 1 episode clarified so many things that the story expects you to know
Played this with a friend in my dorm room on my Commodore 64 when it originally came out. We would switch off with one of us at the controls and the other reading any paragraphs. It was such an amazing game to play at the time. I’m sure our GPAs suffered a bit the semester from overplaying. We had a similar experience playing the Bard’s Tale games. Thanks Jon for the trip down memory lane!
I played through Wasteland after hearing that it was the original Fallout, and I wasn't disappointed. It was really fun, but it is a little dated now.
I still recommend it to any Fallout Fan
100% it's not going to be for everybody - but if you enjoyed the old Fallouts, it's worth a look
My friend convinced me to play D&D, and I have witnessed the great grand-daddy of all PC RPGs. Wasteland is the missing link between fallout and text-based games.
2:25 "We'll make our own post-apocalyptic RPG! With Blackjack! And Hookers! (In fact, forget the post-apocalyptic RPG!)"
I fucking love it.
"And they did. Twice." Hahaha!
Wasteland: Beware the man older than the wasteland!
"Someone from pre-war? Well, I have no idea who that could be."
Wasteland, just one town earlier: You meet a guy who's over 100 years old but still looks suspiciously healthy.
RIGHT?!
That's not a perception issue... that's early onset dementia .
Preston: "You mean like one of those pre-war ghouls?"
This kinda became a let's play of wasteland
I LOVE IT ALMOST ASMUCH AS TEA
I played this game with my older brother when it first came out. We ditched half the original party and created our own characters, which we named after ourselves.
My brother's name is Steve.
This video delights me to no end.
2:25 Perfect analogy using Futurama Memes.
Thank you for being Awesome, John.
Fun fact: in EVE online, the biggest, baddest ship was released. The first guy to get the ship of death was called Steve.
You know, to project the terror the ship posessed.
The match actually does work if you use it on the first square of the cave. One of those countless little touches I definitely never knew about when playing this as a kid, haha.
The text being in the manual is also a form of copy protection. Copy protection was in a really experimental phase back then. I definitely approve of this more than Lemmings - You'd have to go find a code under a specific picture in the manual. all the numbers were written in glossy green / yellow text to prevent photocopying.
Damn I never expected you to play this Jon, nicely done
So this is like a tabletop RPG, but you play every party member and the DM has limited responses.
That's basically what it is, yeah.
Oh God he’s role playing as a melee character called Steve Smith, just give him a cricket bat and he’ll never miss a shot
As an aussie i almost died of laughter when he named his melee character steve smith
'Steve Smith was killed after tampering with Snake Vargas' balls'
i really think jon should drop the "i must publish a new piece every night" thing, not that this is bad but i rather would have him working on the essay or getting some REST
I agree, he should take a day off every now and then.
Standard procedure for youtubers ................ "always be making content! obey the algorithm!"
The issue for him (and the glory for us) is that his content is really thoughtful and good...
@@IainShepherd1 He doesn't have to care about the algorithm, to be honest. His Patreon income alone is well above average for a two person household. He could take a month long vacation and barely see a dent in income, maybe non at all. Jon is just really fixated on pleasing his audience, which is a different problem entirely.
TigerXtrm I mean sure you say that but is there any proof that his Patreon income is more than enough? Not saying you're wrong, just want some proof.
@@asdfgyjhvj7881 I obviously don't know Jon and Clair's financial situation or living conditions but 4700 pound a month (2350 pp) is probably a higher than average income in their age group. At the very least it should be enough to live comfortably in the UK. So assuming they don't live in a massive villa and go out to 5-star restaurants every night I'm fairly sure they are doing just fine, and could easily afford to take a break for a month if they so desire (and frankly, they should).
This reminds me very much of playing The Bard's Tale on the Amiga. The interface was very similar. Being a D&D player in my youth games such as The Bard's Tale and the old Forgotten Realms early computer games were the spiritual successor to table top games. Even though the graphics couldn't match our imaginations it was nice to have a computer to do the rolling and keep check on all the maths. It wasn't until much later that the graphics started to become better and the dice rolling become even more 'in the background'. Even though I never played this, I think I would have enjoyed it.
Brian Fargo: "With blackjack, and hookers! In fact, forget the blackjack!"
Todd Howard with Fallout 4: "Ah, screw the whole thing!"
Fallout 76
Todd Howard: "you win again gravity!"
every Bethesda game ever "Arr the laws of bethesda physics be a harsh mistress"
Wasteland 2 is an excellent game. i hope you play that one next. : ]
It has been far too long since I've heard Jon screaming "GNOMED!"
...I get that reference
You know what's funny? I have only ever seen a pistol magazine called a ''clip'' in old videogames and nowhere else. I don't know how or why this odd tradition started, but here it is, a 1988 game using a term that would last at least until Final Doom in 1996.
From memory the Mauser C/96 used a stripper clip back in the day. Rifles like the Lee-Enfield also used a stripper clip (and by stripper clip we mean that the bullets are held together in a clip outside of the gun and the clip is used as a tool to assist rapid reloading) and the M1 rifle the US used in WW2 a 8 round clip that actually went into the weapon (and was ejected at the end - bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang ping!).
I guess the term 'clip' became 'American English' for what the rest of the world started calling magazines, because clips and magazines are technically different things.
playing wasteland 2 I didnt realize how much came from this. I knew that Angela and the original characters are in or atleast mentioned in the game but high pool and ag center being there makes me want to play this nice. get the full scope of lore.
Its cool how far you've come, Jon. I first subbed to you because I found your Fallout 3 Kill Everything run hilarious - but nevertheless and I mean this with respect, you were just any other Let's Player among the dozens I am subbed to. But now you are a guy who can make videogame documentaries better than the so-called professionals. Here's to many more to come.
The doctor's too expensive for your blood? Don't tell me you've already forgotten which country this game takes place in.
@RuleofVicus Weird fucking flex for what is for everyone else an obvious joke, but okay. You wanna throw down, let's throw down.
Real cool that you started off by throwing mud on other sources before providing any. Really helps your case when you start out as a conspiracy theorist and move down from there. No clue where you got the idea that the U.K. is basically Mad Max, (I mean Brexit is a mess but come on) and I have absolutely no context for that little tidbit about France. And I'm sure that ending your "rebuttal" with the only phrase more childish than "Checkmate atheists!" would make you great at parties if you were ever invited to one.
The fact of the matter is that among first world countries, US citizens spend more per capita than anywhere else and they get less bang for their buck. We have a lower life expectancy at birth despite spending more than any of the places you mentioned. Corporate healthcare is bad for citizens because the corporation is going to do what is best for the corporation. The poor in this country actively avoid going to the hospital because they know they could be paying for it years down the line. Drug prices have skyrocketed over the past decades, partly because of a trend where a pharmaceutical company will buy up a failing company, completely gut their R&D sector, raise the price by a factor of three, and turn around to their investors and say, "Hey, look how much more money we're making! Clearly that's because we're good at business and not because we're demanding $2000 a month for a drug that certain people need to survive!" for the investors to lap it up and let them keep doing it.
Yes, Jon, EMBRACE the spirit of Kill Everything! Those were the funniest series on the channel!
The game has a macro recorder so you can set up some shortcuts. You can make one to create a new character, then pass all his items to someone then delete him. Easy to fill eveyone up with starting guns and ammo to sell and get some good starting cash.
I remember buying this when it came out. I played this for YEARS.
The survival series in new Vegas was the reason I subscribed. Hope more come
Garuda guard bethsoft got their hooks in MATN. No New Vegas no more
Ouch Iturts Beg your pardon? MATN has a bunch of New Vegas series already and I still highly doubt he’s done with it. It’s one of his favorite games if not his favorite game of all time, even moreso than total war, highly doubt there’ll be no more.
Wow! Wasteland on the old C-64 was one of my first RPGs and I loved it. I cannot recall how far I got into it, but I loved the depth and setting so much. It's probably why both Fallout 3 and 4 resonated with me so much. This brings back some great memories and makes me want to eventually grab Wasteland 2 and give that a go. I hope to see more of Wasteland here at MATN,, but that upcoming history piece on WL sounds awesome too. Keep up the great work, Sir!
I have played this on emulator good game also thank you for explaining this stuff that people don’t know.
It is also available on Steam these days - which is the version I'm playing here, and it seems to work pretty well.
Now you're talking my era of stuff. I love it!
Jon you should play the long drive on the steam early access for $11.99. It’s a semi post apocalyptic game set in 1973. You have to drive a old car through the waste land and find gas along the way. It’s a fun game plz play it.
Nice to see the Python references started here too lol
So, any chance of seeing a Wasteland 2 series? I've thought it would be a great fit for Jon since it came out.
7:13 They even got fixing the water chip from here!
So the Hobo seems like a prototype to Mama Murphy... Man they really did pull a lot of stuff for Fallout from Wasteland.
Honestly Jon I personally prefer the idea of an hour long essay, as you can talk in more detail. So if I need to wait two weeks I’ll do it with a smile on my face
Great content! I dont know if you could add it you videos, but the manual for Fallout 2 had the cannon ending for the characters in Fallout 1.
Also +1 for an Arcanum playthrough Incidently it also had an amazing game manual- better than some DnD supplements.
Fallout 1 cannon- everyone dies lol. Why you meet Dogmeat in the Cafe of Broken dreams in F2
Many A True Nerd, You're the best! I subscribed because I love your content!
>fix water purifier
I think I've heard that before somewhere...
I'll definitely try this. As much as I love the Fallout series, I've never hear of Wasteland. Really cool. Thanks for the video!
That's a vintage end card right there
Jon named his character after Steve Smith the Aussie cricketer?
Kristian Aaberg disappointingly, Steve Smith did not come armed with sandpaper this time.
@@wolfsuit_art lol, scrub those baddies.
So are we getting a full playthrough of it? It definitely sounds like it would be one hell of a grind of endless deaths but it would be damn interesting if not from the game play but definitely fun to see where everything came from. I know, I'm sorry I know the playthrough comments are a pain, but I'm also curious how many people are interested.
Use to have wasteland on dos, such a great game. I feel like wasteland 2 was made for us old school pc gamers.
What? He avoided killing Bobby? Was it intentional by the devs? He literally changed the WL timeline!
Also, that Red Ryder appearance (if you shoot the laughing brat) would be nostalgic
UPD. Owh, nevermind
References to the manual were a subtle form of copy protection as well as saving the KB's. Back in the day, it was easier to COPY DAT FLOPPY than it was to photocopy the entire manual. I remember an old Strategy game called Empire required the player to periodically to enter line x from page y to continue playing. These paragraphs probably served the same purpose.
So it turns out early video games were not optimised for viewing as streams. Who knew?
Yes, so excited! This counts as Fallout... I've always said I've been a Fallout fan since before there was a Fallout. 😁
Looking forward to Wasteland 2
I remember trying to play this many years ago and being completely unable to figure out what was going on, and I never made it out of the summer camp. I think I could give it another go...
Wasteland was based upon a pnp rpg called "Mercenaries spies and private eyes" which was a variant of one of the first rpgs "Tunnels and trolls" by flying buffalo. Several flying buffalo people worked on wasteland.
Snake Squeez-INS. Not squeezings.
Also, Brian Fargo is of course where "The Far Go Traders" get their name from.
In what world does Jon live where a single match is infinitely reusable and will light a cave?
So glad you started in wasteland
Goodness. The new Jon videos are rather engaging.
I wouldn't really call it a secret. They have been very open about them losing the rights to Wasteland thus having to create Fallout. I'd rather say Obscure.
I loved this on the Commodore 64 back in the day! And that day, now that I think about it, was way farther back than I like to admit.
God this game makes me feel old. I remember buying it for and playing it on a Commodore 128 (64 was for newbs! :D ).
I love that your using Steve Smith, who is the son on American Dad!. Weeehooo!!!
I'm imagining Steve Smith the actor who played Red Green
@@teflonravager My first thought was the Red Green Show as well. Keep your stick on the ice!
That works to. LOL
@@teflonravager If the women don't find you handsome, they might as well find you handy.
Wasteland remastered was pretty good game. I love sleeper base. You will love the ending.
EA: You can't make a sequel to your own game
Brian Fargo: I'll just make a new post-apocalyptic RPG... with Black Jack... and hookers!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Another Apocalypse gamewould be "Burntime" from Maxis :D Damn i bought that for 140 German Marks for Amiga 500
OH WOW! I had no idea this games main characters are huge parts of the lore. That’s awesome.
Steve Smith also happened to be an actor in old ninja movies who was well known for his extreme facial expressions.
Good call for a melee character.
Where is number 2 of M&B warband?
At this point its not retro, its ancient. Retro now is Mario 64 or NFL Blitz, getting a bit...antiquated now are we. You apparently have never played any old games based on text. Like Zork or the likes. Typing commands was confusing since it had a set registered amount of commands. But there is a reason why it didn't last and its not because people didn't get it, it's because graphics and tech updated enough for MS DOS to load the graphics card and play the game at the same time or something like that.
Jon, did you notice the Fallout 4 pipboy game Grognak and the Ruby Ruins was made to look like Wasteland?
You mean literally every RPG of note from the late 1980s?
wasteland, used to love that game
A horrifying fact: I am Related to one of the original creators of EA..... this sicked me when i found out.
the creators had good intentions - it was the capitalists that ruined in the past decade.
EA wasn't a bad company before it went public and got shareholders and a CEO that were just out for profit above all else. It's been all down here since then.
You forgot to give someone Toaster Repair D:
I like how Angela has given up on picking locks between 1 and 2 and prefers to just smash shit open
I really hope Jon rolls straight into Wasteland 2 so soon after Fallout 2. It would be a great comparison with it fresh in the memory. Also Jon if you're reading this, let it be known that Wasteland 2 plays superbly on a controller. Got it for £5 on Xbox really not expecting much and was blown away how well it had been ported over plus the game is bloody amazing which helps.
Yeah I'm old enough to having played this game (C64 version), though I was a teenager. I got stuck on the Scorpitron and couldn't get passed it, so never finished it. I actually have the game again since it came with Wasteland 2 (which I did finish), just hard to get myself into it. The save system is very unforgiving.
I also played as a teen on the C-64. I got stuck later in the game and had to buy the clue book. I still remember going to McDonalds and reading the clue book while I ate a Quarter Pounder w/Cheese meal. I never would have figured out the spot I was stuck without that book.
OMG i Played this so much!!!! What a Wayback!!!
Canonically Bobby attacks the rangers in turn kill him.
.....Maybe a playthrough of Wasteland 2 for the sunday slot, now? >.>
Aww. Was just talking about Wasteland on your V.A.T.S. video and then I saw this! Awesome stuff.
1:53 - "So Wasteland ends up getting published by EA instead."
...Yeah, I have a feeling I know where this tale is going.
Where this tale is going??
MICRO TRANSACTIONS?!?
I think the drunk fortune teller is a reference to the halalowa trail
8:31 the shopkeeper is eerily close to what Jon is saying
As a fan of older DOS rpg's like The Bard's Tale, this game looks excellent to me.