Explaining Bethlehem

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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  • @Redwizard88000
    @Redwizard88000 Рік тому +53

    The theory of Rainer Landfermann being Nattramn is so bizzarre. They sound nothing alike, at the very most Nattramn could be described as Rainer if he became a whining dinosaur

    • @thiagobelline
      @thiagobelline 8 місяців тому

      I honestly never read about this theory, but i read about Silencer actually been a project made by the members of the Bethlehem, you can actually listen a lot of resemblance in the sound, expecially in the clean/slower parts, like in the song "Sterile Nails And Thunderbowels", is totally something Bethlehem would compose.

    • @JPR17
      @JPR17 8 місяців тому

      Isn't Nattram accused for trying to murder a child for no reason?

    • @d3c4yy_
      @d3c4yy_ 6 місяців тому

      ya but wasnt silencer swedish and bethlehem german (the members)? pls correct if im wrong
      @@thiagobelline

  • @victomsofthecounty
    @victomsofthecounty Рік тому +23

    Totally dig that Tears for Fears Record.

  • @brandontadday6288
    @brandontadday6288 Місяць тому +1

    I will never forget the first time I listened to Dictius Te Necare. Within just the first 10 seconds, you could just tell that Rainer was next level. The vocals on that album are still some of the most unhinged, uncompromising vocal performances put to tape imo.

  • @heavymetalfishingla
    @heavymetalfishingla Рік тому +10

    Gotta say Wyatt, i love your passion for the genre of metal. You listen to every form of it that exists and you give everything a fair shake, albiet you (as we all do) have biases. But you show a true love for metal. Thanks for the entertainment and education

  • @something6167
    @something6167 Рік тому +52

    I love all of Bethlehem's earlier albums, but especially Dictius te Necare has been one of my all-time favourite albums for years. Rainer Landfermann pulls off the most insane vocals that sound actually disturbing, unlike lots of DSBM bands that try to copy them. The ending to Aphel, die Schwarze Schlange is probably my favourite moment.

    • @ovenbrandt8240
      @ovenbrandt8240 4 місяці тому

      „Aphel, die Schwartze Slange“
      Wtf. If this is your favourite Bethlehem moment then write the song title correct.
      It's not that hard to do that, even if this is not your native language - You're in the fuсking internet...
      Give some respect when you speak about that thing...

    • @something6167
      @something6167 4 місяці тому +3

      @ovenbrandt8240 least angry German

  • @The_Lunatic_Savant
    @The_Lunatic_Savant Рік тому +25

    Awesome!! I never hear anyone talking about this band. Insanely overlooked band. I’d suggest them for anyone into the more bizarre but not quite avante garde “black” metal. Thanks for covering them

  • @davidriverson4033
    @davidriverson4033 4 місяці тому

    Congratulations for your extensive approach! I liked Bethlehem right from the start and I agree with... approx 95% of everything you said about them: their musical style, the atmosphere they create, their shift in sound throughout the years, etc. Well done, man!

  • @v-7815
    @v-7815 Рік тому +6

    Next up, Explaining Opeth (there's nothing to explain I just love when people talk about my favorite band).

  • @Gerd0
    @Gerd0 Рік тому +6

    I personally prefer Dark Metal (one of my top 10 all time albums), but I totally get people liking Dictius te Necare more. Rainer's performance on that is pretty much legendary. Feels like the deranged side of black metal is still chasing that sound and he remains on top.
    As weird as it is that it exists in the first place, that "My Way" cover is amazing.

  • @misantrope
    @misantrope 2 місяці тому

    Cool talking Bethlehem with Tears for fears in the background. Darkened nocturn slaughtercult is a favorite here. Love that she's contributed to Bethlehem.

  • @AltWriteWegner
    @AltWriteWegner Рік тому +2

    Oh, and the (kind of vague) label of "Dark Metal" was actually pretty popular in Germany during the early 1990s. There's quite a few bands that come to mind, the most popular (and notorious) probably being Eisregen.

  • @Defaultis_hit
    @Defaultis_hit Рік тому +2

    It took me so many years to understand why I always liked this band so much, that it's one of the very few non French black/avanguard metal band (together with Dodheimsgard) being able of keeping up my interest since now. Weirdly my favourite song by them it's Ein Kettenwolf greint 13:11-18

  • @siebensunden
    @siebensunden Рік тому +4

    Nice video but some missing things should be said as well. Bethlehem lost their dark metal face when the guitarist Klaus Matton left the band. Jürgen Bartsch might be the soul of the bands but is not able to compose such riffs and melodies Klaus did.
    Marco Kehren, one of the two vocalists of "S.U.i.Z.i.D", has his own band called Deinonychus which is musicaly and personally close related to Bethlehem. The other vocalist of the Bethlehem's third album is Cathrin Campen and most of the time you can clearly hear the difference between the two. She is not only talking some parts, she is also doing brutal female vocals for example in the track "Teufelverrückt Gottdreizehn".

  • @woodchuck94og
    @woodchuck94og Рік тому +2

    i miss Niklas Kvarforth being in Bethlehem
    Darkened Nocturn Slaughtercult, next?

  • @SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG
    @SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG Рік тому +1

    Thank You Harmony Koraine and the Gummo- Original Motion Picture Soundtrack

  • @MonsterDeplorable
    @MonsterDeplorable 5 місяців тому

    Dark metal and Dictius are both, masterpieces

  • @outlaw3679
    @outlaw3679 Рік тому +2

    This is perfect I start listen to them few weaks ago, unfortunate I discovered this band because niklas

  • @IDKyoudk
    @IDKyoudk 7 місяців тому

    Niklas on vocals is perfect as always

  • @DeanH92
    @DeanH92 Рік тому +1

    Off topic, but the new Arghoslent album title was revealed today: Resuscitation of the Revanchists

  • @Anomicx
    @Anomicx 5 місяців тому

    Not to mention they had the dude from Benighted in Sodom in the band for 5mins

  • @AussoOnePlus
    @AussoOnePlus Рік тому +2

    Jürgen Bartsch Pronunciation: Yorgen Barch

  • @trrzzl
    @trrzzl 3 місяці тому

    True about Dictius Te Necare. Not for the weak.

  • @dodenmanniskan8846
    @dodenmanniskan8846 Рік тому

    They're likely to unleash a new album next year, since it was recording last year(?).

  • @sharkwave4688
    @sharkwave4688 Рік тому +7

    I dont know if this is a good idea or not to do but can you do "Explaining Wyattxhim"..?

  • @StarThePlat
    @StarThePlat Рік тому +2

    What is your opinion on keller synth/tanzelcore and dungeon synth?

  • @sorathish
    @sorathish 19 днів тому

    When i spoke with kim from hypothermia he told me he have met nattramn and wrote letters with him and visited him one time in hospital....so maybe ...

  • @awarewolves1712
    @awarewolves1712 Рік тому

    Do an explaining Shining video! (ducks). I like some of their music (ducking, peeking, ducking, kvack kvack).

  • @AussoOnePlus
    @AussoOnePlus Рік тому +1

    shit, i still have the Dictius Te Necare banned cd, artwork is crazy

    • @sunshinewardrecordings
      @sunshinewardrecordings Рік тому

      I'm not aware of any banned DTN versions. I know the band was banned from playing in Germany in some locations at the time, but what do you mean the banned cd?

  • @Peststurmtief
    @Peststurmtief 5 місяців тому

    I saw Bethlehem live 😎

  • @GuillaumeCroteau-tm9ek
    @GuillaumeCroteau-tm9ek Рік тому +1

    Great vidéo

  • @johnercalisanga5300
    @johnercalisanga5300 Рік тому +1

    If not for one I do Liked This band and that is Their unique for their Black Metal kind of Style and they were the Pioneers of DSBM like don't get me wrong, they pave for more German DSBM bands to come in the time as it were the talk of the time🤘😉🤔.

  • @Fluffy_Penguin727
    @Fluffy_Penguin727 Рік тому +6

    Penguins

  • @oreomixtape7061
    @oreomixtape7061 Рік тому +1

    Nice

  • @sorathish
    @sorathish 19 днів тому

    Also the striid ep was the first depressive bm

  • @hbehain4441
    @hbehain4441 Рік тому

    One thing they get credit for is giving the prototype for DSBM.

  • @SisyphusUnhappy
    @SisyphusUnhappy Рік тому

    Always listened to this band but never knew shit about them to be honest.

  • @n3r0n3
    @n3r0n3 Рік тому

    I love Bethlehem!

  • @under-one-flag
    @under-one-flag Рік тому

    They have cancelled Prophecy fest because of ill health with Jurgen

  • @whatthefuck1011
    @whatthefuck1011 9 місяців тому

    I can smell you, but you're surprisingly on point. Subscribing instantly

  • @ImpaledAndDead
    @ImpaledAndDead Рік тому

    Everybody wants to rule the world

  • @sunshinewardrecordings
    @sunshinewardrecordings Рік тому

    Bethlehem's first album definitely had some Satanism themes. Just sayin' ;) Clearly one of my favorite bands of all time, as I put out three of their albums on the SWR label over the years. But yes, good video and explanation!

  • @rorke6092
    @rorke6092 7 місяців тому

    "I don't want to pronounce it because it will be a trainwreck and a half" - Americans need to stop doing this, nobody else does this, and it's not because their pronunciation is perfect in all languages. If you're really THAT insecure you can just listen to google translate pronounce it

    • @wyattxhim
      @wyattxhim  7 місяців тому

      Nah I’m gonna keep doing this and own my insecurities to a foreign language

  • @kowalsolosolo
    @kowalsolosolo Рік тому +3

    Satanism is a ""cliche"" ? Dude,seriously? It is a philosophy of life that you,me and millions of other people follow during their everyday routine without even realizing it. It is closer to real life than anything else ever created by the human mind.Besides,Yvonne /Onielar/ represents this kind of philosophy more accurately than any other artist,so...Maybe you just do not fully comprehend Satanism,have you ever thought about that?

    • @wyattxhim
      @wyattxhim  Рік тому +7

      Jesus Christ dude chill out

    • @kowalsolosolo
      @kowalsolosolo Рік тому +1

      @@wyattxhim Why? I thought your channel was supposed to be a thought-provoking channel for people who think about music,art and other subjects seriously.I can always watch ""Barbie"" if I need to chill out.But not your channel.

    • @wyattxhim
      @wyattxhim  Рік тому +6

      @@kowalsolosolowhat In gods green earth crawled up your ass ?

  • @patrickbertlein4626
    @patrickbertlein4626 Рік тому

    They have said themselves they are Dark metal because Black metal is Satanic, and they are not. Sucks they dropped off of Prophecy Fest, hope they are okay and its not Oneiar sick again. I love their experimental era, lasted over a decade and they did some great albums, Alexander Welt in particular is well worth a listen IMO but I tend to enjoy experimental music. The vocalist on Suizid went on to form Deinonychus, one of my favorites and i can't recommend them enough, especially the newest album Ode to Acts of Murder... which I have mentioned a number of times commenting on your videos. Jurgen did a industrial/black metal side project called Stahlmantel with Nihilist from In Memorium/Thy Infernal/currently Plague Bearer, also worth checking out. Jurgen's childhood was really fucked up, its no wonder the music is so dark.

  • @derjeniche5409
    @derjeniche5409 Рік тому +3

    I respect them for the unique style but I cant listen to this depressing kind of black metal and the vocals

  • @xanselmox
    @xanselmox Рік тому +25

    Rainer Landfermann is one of my favorite vocalists

  • @dante_dagger
    @dante_dagger Рік тому +12

    The first three albums are some of my all-time favorites in extreme metal as a whole, especially Dark Metal and SUIZID. I’m glad they went back to their roots with Onielar.

  • @kowalsolosolo
    @kowalsolosolo Рік тому +9

    I love this band. And with Onielar on vocals,they sound even better.

  • @Rafael-kr6zv
    @Rafael-kr6zv Рік тому +8

    Ayy finally, they've been my favorite band recently, love their first and third phases, first trilogy is a masterpiece and the works with Onielar are also superb, still need to check the albums with Guido

  • @rottingcorpse1990
    @rottingcorpse1990 Рік тому +30

    Gummo is probably the film with the most extreme metal soundtrack. That's where I also found about Bethlehem as I remember. The song played on the ending credits is actually "Schuld Uns'res Knöch'rigen Faltpferd's" which was featured exclusively in the film. "Verschleierte Irreligiosität" is played briefly during one of the scenes in the movie, specifically the outro section of the song.

    • @johnjohn37371
      @johnjohn37371 Рік тому +6

      To this day, I'm not sure how much of Harmony Korine's eccentric behavior was genuine and how much was for shock value...Meryl Streep's purse? Really?!!... brilliant writer and director, though...

    • @claykennedy6790
      @claykennedy6790 7 місяців тому +1

      Same. I didn't care for the movie, but I loved the soundtrack, mostly because of Bethlehem's contribution.

  • @kozstrausem
    @kozstrausem 6 місяців тому +5

    I'm a huge listener of Bethlehem and a huge Jurgen's fan. He has inspired me to write my lyrics thanks to his music composition and his poems, making him a man of worship and worthy of thanks for his dark and abstract themes.

  • @schillinger7814
    @schillinger7814 Рік тому +5

    I'd always heard of Bethlehem but I first actually heard them on the Gummo soundtrack. The vocals really got my attention.

  • @aphelionvoid4491
    @aphelionvoid4491 Рік тому +4

    gummo also includes a Burzum song if i recall correctly

  • @Jonas-du9cc
    @Jonas-du9cc 9 місяців тому +2

    My local Black Metal Scene here, is partly very influenced by Bethlehem. One Band had Jürgen Bartsch featured on a Song

  • @colecarstarphen8743
    @colecarstarphen8743 Рік тому +5

    Do a noise music iceberg

  • @under-one-flag
    @under-one-flag Рік тому +4

    First heard them in 94 with their debut - i really liked it , and then the second album came out with those insane vocals - loved it . I bought the third album and ep but then they got too weird so i left there, but came back to them on their lastest 2 albums

  • @AllForgottenMemories
    @AllForgottenMemories Рік тому +3

    The one connection(that i know of) between Bethlehem & Silencer is that Bethlehems guitarist did the cover art for Death Pierce Me.

    • @thiagobelline
      @thiagobelline 8 місяців тому +1

      Steve Wolz was the drummer in the Death Pierce me, who was also, the drummer from Betlehem 1999-2016

    • @AllForgottenMemories
      @AllForgottenMemories 8 місяців тому

      @@thiagobelline oooh ok, I always thought Jonas Mattsson played drums for them

  • @aaronwittcop2823
    @aaronwittcop2823 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for this video.Been waiting for this one.

  • @xx-zo9ew
    @xx-zo9ew Рік тому +2

    lunar aurora is a great black metal band from germany

  • @datstick8284
    @datstick8284 Рік тому +2

    Finally got a ticket for Prophecy Fest after searching for it for 3 Months because its sold out.
    If everything goes right i will see Bethlehem in a Cave 🤘

  • @AltWriteWegner
    @AltWriteWegner Рік тому +2

    Thanks a lot for this video! I've had the pleasure to hang out a little with Jürgen Bartsch and Marco Kehren at a Genocide Organ show in Mannheim, around 2010 or so. Both are very friendly and enjoyable people to be around.
    I believe Dada is an element in Bethlehem's work as well, or at least has been.
    And, lest we forget:
    »Dick-teeous teh neck-ahray.«
    »Ry-nerrr Lunt-fair-munn.«
    »Uh-lass tott (as in »thot« ^^).«
    »Fur-shly-err-tay Eer-relic-iositat.«
    »Sahr-doh-niche-err Oon-terr-gung ehm Psychen eer-relic-iosir Dohr-bee-toong.«
    »Shut-toon ouse durr Alexander Weld.«
    »Eck-suh cozy-oi eck-say cont-uh eck-suh phobia.« (there's no actual letter H in the ancient Greek alphabet, instead there's a sign called »Spiritus asper« attached to a vowel that indicates to »breathe harder.«)
    »Lebe dich leer« was fine. ;-)

  • @BehappyBhairava
    @BehappyBhairava Рік тому +2

    Great description of a brilliant band, good shit Wyatt \m/ geddon

  • @okbuddy6792
    @okbuddy6792 Рік тому +5

    One of my favorite bands of all time. So glad you decided to talk about them!

  • @mimic4844
    @mimic4844 Рік тому +2

    I've been listening to them for years but knew almost nothing about them.This was a very informative video,thanks.

  • @savagegecko4575
    @savagegecko4575 9 місяців тому +1

    The fact that you have tears for fears there makes you that much cooler!

  • @123slowdown
    @123slowdown Рік тому +1

    When is the Wyattxhim Iceberg video coming?

  • @RULOOOOOOOO0OOOOOOOO
    @RULOOOOOOOO0OOOOOOOO Рік тому +2

    Great video, just waiting for an Abigor video like this

    • @augmentedhat16
      @augmentedhat16 Рік тому +1

      Yes please. Nachthymnen (from the twilight kingdom) is still one of my favourite albums.

    • @derjeniche5409
      @derjeniche5409 Рік тому +1

      Early Abigor is sooo good

  • @squidman6062
    @squidman6062 Рік тому +1

    You should do a video explaining trist which is a dsbm band from the czech republic

  • @federicogonzalez4295
    @federicogonzalez4295 Рік тому +2

    one of the best

  • @lisek130
    @lisek130 8 місяців тому

    The dark metal being first DSBM album is quickly debunked by strid ep and hvis lyset tar oss

  • @Bb-yf7if
    @Bb-yf7if 18 днів тому

    Another great recommendation, loved this band

  • @obiclarke1884
    @obiclarke1884 Рік тому +1

    easily one of my favourite bands and one of the heaviest bands I know of, keep up the good work man, love your content :)

  • @VIZ3PHYRIV
    @VIZ3PHYRIV Рік тому +1

    I’ve been waiting for thing fs one of my favorite bands of all time

  • @mattygreen6233
    @mattygreen6233 8 місяців тому

    started listening to them after watching gummo

  • @theREALdingusMD
    @theREALdingusMD 7 місяців тому

    Lucky number 777th like.

  • @janpetrrosenberg884
    @janpetrrosenberg884 3 місяці тому

    Very great band

  • @zakodin9564
    @zakodin9564 3 місяці тому

    Dark metal

  • @alexbabkov5935
    @alexbabkov5935 Рік тому +6

    Hell yeah! Bethlehem seem to be very underrated and I am glad someone is finally talking about them now. Their albums are excellent soundtrack when reading works by people like Cioran, Schopenhauer, or Mainlander (the latter is actually referenced by the title of Dictius Te Necare which is a quote from on the guy’s books iirc)

  • @waynesinterested7902
    @waynesinterested7902 9 місяців тому

    i wonder when english-mothertonguees realize, that nearly everyone worldwide pronounces vowels different than them. modern english butchered the tonal values and every single one of them doesnt sound like it should (or did - in earlier times).
    in other words: you feared to butcher the german album-title and got around the cliff by not saying it...dictius te necare didnt have that much luck :)

    • @waynesinterested7902
      @waynesinterested7902 9 місяців тому

      really interesting video nonetheless! keep up the good work!
      greetings from germany

  • @thiagobelline
    @thiagobelline 8 місяців тому +2

    There is more links and similatiries between Silencer and Bethlehem:
    Steve Wolz who was the drummer in 'Death Pierce Me' was also, the drummer of Bethlehem.
    Bethlehem's guitarist did the cover art for Death Pierce Me.
    I read online in some forums, which is not hard to find, that Silencer was a Jürgen Bartsch's project, he never confirmed it, but you can definitely hear some some resemblance, specially in the clean/slower parts in "Death Pierce Me" and "Sterile Nails And Thunderbowels" is totally what Bethlehem sounds like.
    I don't believe nattramn actually existis, is all a marketing play by the guys from Bethlehem appealing to shock value.

  • @bertil3887
    @bertil3887 10 місяців тому

    I read somewhere that Rainer could never perform live and in the studio he could only sing 2,5 songs until he lost his voice which might explain why he wasn't in the band that long

  • @gustavofernandes6314
    @gustavofernandes6314 Рік тому

    You made industrial, black and depressing (I think) charts. I would love just a Doom chart as well

  • @eduardoribeiroucv9630
    @eduardoribeiroucv9630 Рік тому

    Glad to see that Dwight Schrute has extreme metal band

  • @natalie-kj4om
    @natalie-kj4om Рік тому +2

    Definetly oof my very favorite bands. Something that always was consistent with this Band are the lyrics which are very cryptic and dark. These give even the Schatten aus der Alexanderwelt trilogy a dark twisted atmosphere. I usually don't care for lyrics but those are definetly a great bonus. I like that every album is more or less unique.

    • @Rafael-kr6zv
      @Rafael-kr6zv Рік тому

      Since you mentioned that, what do you think about Tagebuch Einer Totgeburt? I have some theories about its meaning

    • @natalie-kj4om
      @natalie-kj4om Рік тому +1

      @@Rafael-kr6zv I think it's about the stillborn that happened when his pregnant girlfriend hanged herself. But maybe I interpret too much into it

    • @natalie-kj4om
      @natalie-kj4om Рік тому +2

      @@Rafael-kr6zv what do you think it's about?

    • @Rafael-kr6zv
      @Rafael-kr6zv Рік тому

      @@natalie-kj4om I think it's about loss/grief. By the translated title, diary of a stillborn, and some parts of the lyrics, i think it's the foetus perspective knowing it's not going to live. I'm sure it's hard to interpret, considering how confusing the lyrics may seem, but that makes sense to me.
      I wasn't aware of that story tbh, maybe it's closer to what they were trying to convey through the lyrics.

    • @natalie-kj4om
      @natalie-kj4om Рік тому

      @@Rafael-kr6zv ah that's a very interesting interpretation. Haven't thought of that before. Could be what they were going for

  • @hellionrebellionrocknrolla744

    I truly appreciate your explaining this excellent group. I showcased "Dark Metal" on my channel but didn't do it justice in my explanation as you have just done. Check it out! I'd like your opinion. Bravo, my good metal man! I too love Tears For Fears😅! Their newest record is a masterpiece. Cheers!

  • @fh2962
    @fh2962 9 місяців тому

    Vatermord's Heimweh nach Gewalt gives me sometimes Rainer Landfermann vibes

  • @marcorivas1838
    @marcorivas1838 Рік тому

    Mein Weg slaps

  • @tomfoley1401
    @tomfoley1401 Рік тому

    Explain Filth of Mankind? That band is super underrated

    • @sunshinewardrecordings
      @sunshinewardrecordings Рік тому

      With one album and one EP it'll be a quick explanation.... "Polish crust/stenchcore/death metal band with later Morne member. They took their name from a MISERY (US) song title. They played really heavy, dark death metal-esqure crust with keyboards and dark, political lyrics. Then they broke up."

  • @smd1876
    @smd1876 Рік тому +3

    I love them .... especially after Onierlia(?) Darkened nocturne slaughter, vocalist joined.

    • @cptjusticegmail
      @cptjusticegmail Рік тому +3

      That's why I decided to take a listen. I love DNS and Onielar's vocals.

  • @Awakeningofthegods
    @Awakeningofthegods Рік тому +1

    Lol

  • @munkey9064
    @munkey9064 Рік тому +1

    albert?

  • @yungmilopkl
    @yungmilopkl Рік тому

    Across multiple videos you have added a ‘K’ to the word ‘especially’. It’s not pronounced ekspecially, but if this is like a meme or something then ignore this comment - but I heard it once in another of your videos and again in this one

  • @murray9807
    @murray9807 Рік тому +3

    I'll explain in two words: They suck.

  • @SechsGrammCaratillo
    @SechsGrammCaratillo Рік тому +3

    I wondered if you had ever heard of the obscure, neoclassical darkwave project Sopor Aeternus
    To me it's the most impressive solo work I had ever stumbled upon. It's in no way related to metal, but just too underrated, even within the goth scene

    • @wyattxhim
      @wyattxhim  Рік тому +1

      I have actually last year through a friend
      I want to do a video about neoclassical darkwave and that project was/isgoing to be included

    • @spencergrady5501
      @spencergrady5501 Рік тому

      is this the band with the bizarre looking vocalist?

  • @gustavofernandes6314
    @gustavofernandes6314 Рік тому +1

    I really like your videos, I love watching ching weird explaining extreme bands, specially the charts are really good, I would recommend doing those more.

  • @freddymaierx2363
    @freddymaierx2363 Рік тому +3

    Finally
    An not Nazi Band 😂

  • @AdolfStalin
    @AdolfStalin Рік тому

    Can you do Blut Aus Nord?

  • @StinkyPinky69
    @StinkyPinky69 Рік тому +2

    i like this band. i have the first 3, and mein weg on vinyl. also i got the silencer- death pierce me vinyl box set.