It’s the tale end of Gen Z that runs around the map constantly switching from primary to secondary until they come across someone, slides around absolutely everywhere and bunny hops every corner, then when they come across some one they slide cancel, strafe left to right come up behind you, do a 180 then lay down and shoot you. It’s the gayest most over complicated and sweatiest thing I’ve ever seen in a video game
@@ksisadboy888 not in the games where people abuse that movement exploit bs that should’ve never been added back in mw19, mfers just bounce around like in AW and shit and fly around the map at super speed.
Was having fun in the under 25 playlist, but as soon as I couldn't play that any more, I was getting matched with people who do nothing but play COD-style games all day. No SBMM is great for sweats and shit for anyone who just wants to play casually.
Same man. The game’s style screams casual arcade shooter, but the people playing are literally 99% turbovirgins😂 gotta sweat my ass off every game just to go even. Like some of us work for a living and don’t have 16 hours a day to dump into this game..
Sweaty is an understatement 😂. I was in a lobby and they are still bunny hopping and bootie sliding all over the place 😂. I thought I was in COD lobby but it was still a breath of fresh air. Hopefully this is the year it gets released.
Bunny hopping and booty sliding is what I do when I am playing casually. If I am sweating I will usually sit around holding angles and peeking corners, because that tends to be a lot more effective in shooters.
It's a test for a game that's a year overdue. Of course it's going to be sweaty. It will calm down when the full game drops and the general public get to play it in 2047
Idk, there hasn’t been one test they had where it hasn’t been extremely sweaty. Even during its peak open beta with millions of players and during the time of MW2 2022 the lobbies were PACKED with sweats.
No it won't lmao, only the sweats will remain on it and the casuals will go back to cod where they actually get matched with their skill level. I've said this numerous times, blame social media for gaming going bad, everyone wants to be a UA-camr/Twitch streamer. Sbmm is actually good for games and this will finally teach people a lesson as to why lol. Xdefiant won't last anyways don't worry
I always thought Cold War was a good mix of the classic and modern types of gameplay/movement, granted it definitely did lean a bit more towards the modern style. I wish they’d replicate that more
I liked Cold War more and more over time. The movement was insane though. You would have thought we were running around naked with a paper assault rifle. It was too arcady at times. Still good
@TheRealLucasX115 Voltaic routines for various aim trainers help a lot (I like KovaaK's). I know it's a game with somewhat unrealistic abilities, but the constant jumping makes it impossible for me to take the game seriously at all.
That's pretty much all these youtubers and then majority of claim they just casual. You are not casual when you're making money playing this game or any fps game.
When did I ever complain about the sweats? I’m talking about how the community claimed no SBMM = no sweating at all. I wish you guys would actually watch the video lol
@@JbowenDaManMaybe there are some idiots saying that but I would say that the community knows that with no sbmm there will be some lobbies where you have to try your ass off and other where you can lean back. Of course there are a lot of sweats, don’t know where you saw people saying otherwise, but yeah that’s bs.
I think we’ve already arrived at the point that people are starting to figure out that while SBMM IS annoying, it’s actually EOMM that’s the true culprit to our problems with SBMM basically being the sidekick.
Exactly. In old COD era, this was flipped. Enough regular people were playing the game to balance out the sweats. Now its all sweats, making the game pretty much unplayable for most people.
Gonna go ahead and tell you no pvp game is ever gonna be without try hards ever again because all the kids want to be pro players, best you can hope for is a game that doesnt have sbmm but connection based match making which would most likely run into old cod problems with hackers everywhere only somewhat casual experience i have found is halo infinite mp which isnt perfect but its not terrible
Bruh most people just want the rush of popping off while they play. They don’t have intentions of being a pro player. Humans are competitive and FPS shooters are the most competitive game genre. UA-cam nowadays allows everyone to watch meta and movement tutorials, so everyone is pretty damn good nowadays
@@CPDFilms I disagree I rember just few years ago a group of teens wanted me to play on their team and all they talked about was trying to become streamers and pro players watching pro league stuff so I'd say it hasn't changed like personally I've never been super competitive im the type of guy who would solo que ranked in siege and goofed off till I was the last one and would clutch all the time doing werid and unconventional shit no one ever does in the last 20 seconds of a match when everyone else would be on panic mode and trying to stick to basic strats they see which is normally gonna get you killed in the game
It will never be the same. With the implementation of twitch streams and YT channels (such as yours, tbh) people started playing like lifeless maniacs just to get clips. I come from OG COD days and everything was balanced. The sweatiest dude would pull an insane 360 NS once in a while and everyone would lose their minds instead of being upset they are being run over by a good player. It was a rare sight. FPS games are now the sweatiest genre (with the exception of stuff like Bodycam which honestly is the best thing that happened to gaming industry since a long time) and it will keep being this way. The days where we hopped in with boys to chill and laugh are gone. Now we shush eachother because some oxygen deprived crackhead bunny hopper is sliding through every corner. Cod fucked everything up. They literally killed the fun in all FPS games forever. However i do applaud XDefiant and devs for at least trying to bring back those days. It was good while it lasted. Not anymore, i guess. Oh and no, im not gonna ''get gud'' in case there is some NPC dumbass who will tell me that. I have an 8-6 job and i cannot ''get gud'' by spending 48 hours infront of a computer. Be aware that people from a lot of different backgrounds play these games and they have the right to voice their opinions.
Glad you said it. EOMM/SBMM aren't the issue. People don't want to accept that gamers in general are A LOT better than they were in the 'classic' COD era. Overall, more people play games and want to compete, gamers in general are more competitive , especially in fast paced FPS games. Popular competitive FPS games will never be "chill" or not "sweaty" that's just how things are now.
Just try old titles with restricted mechanics. Man, even MOH lobbies were sweaty. I think movement mechanics is a fair component to build a complex and enjoyable skill curve. Zero recoil pay to win weapon bundles are not. EOMM is not. @@JbowenDaMan
Sweaty i dont mind... That wasnt the issue for me in cod... XDefiant doesnt make me feel like there is a third team behind the scenes that im playing against too like cod did
Controversial opinion sweating in casual games should be banned. If I was a dev I'd implement a system that if it detects sweaty strats u should be suspended from casual matches but if it persists then ban. Go to ranked if u wanna sweat
The vast majority of Xdefiant players are going to be those migrating from cod, which will be those who are not casual players unlike the vast majority of cod players. The casual cod players will likely not even bother with Xdefiant. Many of those players, also dont care for the factions and their gimmicky abilities and just want gunplay. The only way were going to get oldskool cod back, is to go back and play the old cods. Cod4 remastered is still super fun despite myself having played og cod4 for years and pro mod religiously.
Been thinking about getting this game but saw gameplay that had a dirty mf jumbling around. Looked dumb asf so nvm. I’ve been playing sandstorm for 6 years now and that’s the only fps game in existence where I can just play casually while listening in on whatever my wife’s watching while eating a snack. Every other fps game has losers trying to become a streamer when they’re only getting smellier and smellier the longer they go without a job.
This is exactly what I expected. Also the previous play tests with millions of players were just as sweaty, so I’m feeling pretty positive on the full launch of this game it’s going to be no difference, if they can even pull a million players by the time this game launches 😂
@@JbowenDaMan i mean again the marketing around the game is wack and its targeting mostly cod players anyway so again expected. The game lost alot of steam and well its got the ubisoft logo tagged on it so i don't think this game will get those numbers again or even explode ubisoft is just bad juju
Ever since gaming became mainstream, and since esports and streaming popped off, it naturally gave an incentive to casuals to become better. I'm personally not one to complain if the enemy player is over performing because it does take effort and skill to become good and should be respected. But most people would rather disregard people who are simply better than them, more of an ego problem. Instead of praising one's effort because they outplayed them, they'd rather complain about it or be indenial, because team based pvp games allows you to do that since you can always shift the blame to someone else even if its your fault. Ofcourse there's the cheating side too.
I’d say the bunny hopping/strafing is a an exploit at the moment. Every time I’m point blank at someone strafing I’m pretty sure the bullets don’t connect at all, hitbox is completely gone.
Late Gen X here. Xennial if you will. I’m finding it hard to compete with younger gen’s. It’s a skill issue no doubt. My lack of skill, motivation to get better, distractions (or priorities) of REAL life, on and on… mean I’m not the target of these game developers. I know this, the game makers know this. Back to Mario Cart and golf games or some shit is my future in front of my son’s console. Haha. Least I’m not in denial. I hear what I can only guess are very young players in my lobbies. Yet they are kicking major ass. Hand eye coordination , understanding of mechanics, a desire to gain UA-cam fame by attaching their ass to a chair and streaming…. It’s a doomed gaming future for many of us real OG’s. I started on a F’n Atari! 😊 You sweats will be in my shoes one day.
Same as last play test. Super sweat show. I try my absolute hardest and am lucky to go positive. Haven't been able to pop off even remotely. Then I jump to cod and go 32 and 10. Either I suck at xdef or cod is making me think im better at fps games than I really am. Lmao.
@@alexter2o2 I tweaked my settings and watched some advanced movement videos. Was able to actually get some kill streaks. The different movement mechanics are actually kinda fun learning. But I still prefer cod. Despite it's many issues
Listen! If there truly is no SBMM, and the lobbies are still sweaty, then only one solution exists. If older CoD fans are the ones coming to XDef because of no sbmm...then the unadulterated BLAME (IT ON THE) TRUTH is... We have been playing CoD long enough now that the older community has refined our craft until we have all gotten pretty decent...
Have you thought about playing this squad based shooter ww2 game called Enlisted?. It is fairly casual but sometimes sweaty. You might enjoy it. Its changed alot over the last year or so but its pretty fun.
I’m a much more casual FPS fan than I used to be. It used to be pretty much the only genre I played other than Rockstar titles, but now I play a variety of genres of games. I feel for all you more hardcore FPS fans, but if you complain about multiplayer FPS games being too sweaty, I highly recommend trying other types of FPS games or other game genres entirely
With my experience on this play test, I'd say 60% of my matches were pretty chill and 40% was definitely more difficult. I would say The Finals is more relaxing to play than XDefiant or COD.
It’s simple, if you’re terrible at the game every match is going to feel sweaty. If you’re good at the game, most games will feel terrific. Also, the gaming landscape since Fortnite has been all about esports and being the best of the best, so naturally people tend to play their hardest to prove they’re the shite. Nothing will feel like true old cods because of that
Do keep in mind, its gonna be serious gamers on a play test. Most of the people I talked to had paddles on their controller including myself. Ok you did talk about this. Still, it's people that are used to these games. I think after a full release theres a chance of catching a new generation, or new people just downloading all the free games. I didnt have too bad of a time. Even my worst games weren't unbearable. It's exactly the style I like tho, I love super fast paced, I'd like smaller maps, love rewarding headshots. Bo1 and 2 and me was where it was at. I do get bo2 vibes tho. Plenty of running and gunning, but positioning is still super necessary. It does all bring up a great point I think you've touched on. Most people arent as good as they think they are.... Or at least- a lot of people are PRETTY GOOD these days. And when you are pretty good, going against people that are pretty good,,, its sweaty. But I love it either way, just because it's the style I crave. No killstreaks is lowkey a plus for me too but there should and probably will be some kinda reward for crazy streaks or multikills
I did notice something felt contradictory to the whole no sbmm thing while playing the game. There seems to be a hidden MMR in xdefiant being tested that Mark Rubin failed to mention and be open about. I tweeted at him and there was 0 response about anything inckuding permanent invisibility. He just went complete quiet during the days we all played the game
I also think that the input based matchmaking will be a factor, with MnK having more sweats since the skill ceiling is just so much higher. Given the game isn't released, the "sweatiness" will calm after release since the playtests are usually overwhelmed by the more hardcore and passionate audience. Further, if the matchmaking system can be trusted in this game, it will be the closest we will have to older CoDs. Those games had tons of sweats mixed in with "regular" population. Current CoD will always cater to that 1.0 KD experience unless you're VERY good or VERY bad.
The difference between old school arena shooters and modern shooters is the niche factor. Arena shooters used to be niche and only attracted hardcore players, that is no longer the case, it’s very mainstream. The only problem I see is that hardcore niche and f2p does not go well together. This game is going to end up hardcore niche.
Mw3 and 2boxxing/VPN is a very enjoyable game. I love the game when I do it, I’m literally playing a different game. I hope they do revert it to the no SBMM way because the MW3 perk system is very good and playing in easier lobbies allows for me to test perks, vests, guns, attachments instead of using meta weapons on shipment
The no SBMM helps, but people forget that the sweaty players have been around for a while now because of COD and how they changed the game. COD and esports and streaming shaped the fps genre into a sweatfest. Everyone wants to play like a pro streamer and thats just how it is now. No matter how the game is made it will always be there and theres no way to stop it. With Xdefiant it was very sweaty, but I had a far better experience than on COD. Most games i was still positive with only a few sweats on each team each game. It felt more balanced in the sweatiness to me. I wasnt always having to slide jump around corners and crap to kill. I had a half casual half sweat game and if i toned it down and died a little more I was fine. I wasnt getting swept in the score on domination every game. Most of my games were close and never got skunked by one team. It was a better experience. We just have to accept that the sweats will always be there and SBMM isnt the main thing keeping them here. Esports and SBMM are what started it.
After not playing Cod for a few years, it feels sweatier than it with the amount of slide cancel/jumping going on. Full release is gonna be the same as every other failed FPS, sweats run it until every casual leaves
I don’t mind the gameplay, but I agree that the full release will be the exact same. People who think the game is going to all of the sudden become casual at launch, idk what to say to them haha
Personally. Let me just say I haven’t finished watching but I myself am pleasantly surprised with the mix of skill I’ve come across. It wouldn’t be fun if I didn’t get shit on every once in an awhile dude. It’s been so long since I’ve been able to actually run around and shoot and have fun in an arcade shooter. Ima love it when it drops fs. My generation started was not it g. Competition in any fps has always had sweaty players dude. I think it’s just the overwhelming casual base of players has become less and less competitive and desire a more hand holding experience that requires less effort or learning.
Or maybe casual player dont have the luxury to put effort and learning playing 3 hrs a week when working 60 hrs a week. Casual player are looking for an enjoyable experience on the spot which you can't have since shooter game these days have completely been taking over by pro player, streamers, etc....who play 60 hrs a week instead of working a real job and providing something tangible to society....just sayin'
Honestly for my OG's that cant compete anymore.... play milsims. Games like arma and squad are still going strong. I've left fast paced shooters a long time ago and I've never been happier.
Every match I got into it was a sweat fest, and my 3 sensitivity ass can't keep up, so probably better for my trash ass to not play Arcade shooters again lol.
Sweats because of movement. Remember old CoDs like CoD4, MW2,3? What movement was there? Just running, you couldn't bunny hop, strafe, slide. Game is sweaty because of MOVEMENT not players. If XD's movement would be like in OG CoDs, there wouldn't be any sweat lol
Really the games are sweaty? I mean, I’m seeing people play to win, which you don’t see anymore as the weighted matches algorithm in the rest of the industry coach’s players to play to protect their performance metrics. Or maybe cod players bar for trying is much lower than mine .
I think when a lot of people talk about sweats they mostly talk about movement and overly trying, not necessarily playing the OBJ and being a good team player
My experience with the 2 games I played I ended up top of the scoreboard. Didnt feel like a bot lobby but I didn’t feel punished. It’s much better feeling even with the sweats mixed in. And obviously it’s mostly going to be sweats and people in the know during a stress test. Just wait until the game launches and is advertised on the PS and Xbox dashboards. My complaint is the hit detection/registration still feels bunk after 1 year of “progress” Huge let down
Yeah I’m hoping the hit detection will improve later on, I was definitely expecting it though due to it being a server stress test and we are not playing on the official build of the game, we had to download a completely different version and uninstall the previous game to make this work.
It was sweaty but at least haven't been manipulative to the point it blow Ur mind like cod does I have loads of fun playing it regardless the issues it have
Why is Sweats a topic of conversation? We’re playing a competitive first person shooter. People should play to win. And try and get better, have as highest scoring game as possible. What’s the point of playing then? I can’t complain about a sweaty game when I go in and play my best. Honestly I would rather deal with EOMM than a game with bad connections and bad net code. If the issues are there on release people will be back on Shipment in no time.
You sound like a fucking giga nerd right now. A video game is to have fun not a $1,000,000 playoff game. These giga nerds are going to be a Scump and joined Optic. Full on cringe.
ima be honest with u back then in older cods its always been sweaty. the sweats have been around forever i swear in fps games they have always been sweaty it just is what it is. cant change that
I think it’s okay. As long as it’s not being effected by outside influences. You get better thru beating the better and people. If I’m facing better competition and that’s the only reason I’m losing then ok, that’s fine. I can get better. As long as the game allows you to get better then let’s go
Every now and then a game would be sweaty, but like 80% of my games were easy and chill. I was averaging a 2.1kd this weekend but in cod I would average a 1.29kd. I really enjoyed playing and I’m hooked bro
I said it when they last tested and it is still true now. SBMM Isn't making it sweaty. The sweats do that on their own. And everyone hates playing against sweats. Even sweats hate playing sweats. They will quickly run off the casual players.
For my first initial hours of the play test I was so frustrated, because I had to deal with. bunny hopping, slide canceling every corner, just in general annoying unnecessary movement. I almost quit the game indefinitely, because how annoying the player economy is with FPS games combined with the annoying abilities, bugs, stability issues, etc. I could understand why a lot of people would just stick with COD which has much more polish than XDefiant. This is why I don’t complain about SBMM because every FPS game is sweaty.
Bro if sliding and jumping is too hard for you to handle and track, then you’re bad at the game 😂 get better and you’ll have way more fun. I played with some IRLs who would do way better than me and I had no fun. Then I got up to their level and the game became very enjoyable. Being bad isn’t fun.
@@CPDFilms I can handle the play styles, that’s not even the point of the comment. The excessive bunny hopping, drop shoting, crouch spamming, slide canceling every corner (which isn’t that bad really), the excessive over utilization of movement is just annoying to deal with, which is why people complain about everyone in FPS games being sweaty because these skills/tactics transfer almost across the board with shooters combined with experience makes every FPS game feels like professional 100,000$ prize tournament which is probably not intentional on a lot of people because like you said people are just adapting to the play styles and as a result you grow into unintentional sweaty player and that now becomes your normal skill level. Doesn’t change the fact that everything I listed isn’t annoying to encounter.
@@AverageGamerXP ur saying it’s excessive but it’s clearly working if it annoys you 😂 everyone can point and shoot with decent aim nowadays. That’s why movement is an important factor now…
@@AverageGamerXP and I don’t find any of it annoying. I love when I come across someone who is trying their hardest cuz when I kill then it feels way more satisfying… I play ranked way more than non ranked. And when I do play non ranked, it’s so easy idk how people complain about SBMM 😂 play MP ranked if u wanna really see people sweat…
The main issue I have with tbe game aside from the is the clunkyness. Slide cancel is decent rn but no drop shot or ability to go prone? And jump shots feel extremely bad as well. Also I'm ok playing against sweats. It's the 3rd party users and sus pc players that it bad. If they could find a way to Eliminate the cheaters. I would probably give this game more time.
I play on ps5 and turned off crossplay on mwIII and i have less sweats to deal, there still are obviously still going to be some, but not having pc to worry about is always good
If sweats are the only problem then it’ll be a great game. If there is enough room to be that good for a lot of players, that’s just how it’s gonna be. XDefiant it’s still a fun game and they’re giving us a “good COD”
true it was a little sweaty but it wasnt every single match, you can lobby surf 🏄, cods sbmm algorithm you will have 10 straight games or more of sweats and wall hacks and etc, and there is no eomm algorithm that alters stats and etc like with cod, ill give black ops gulf war a shot, but i will be playing alot more of xdefiant, the changes they will make and etc.
"Shockingly" this is what happens when everybody has "legal aimbot". I have over 600h of gameplay in Cod MW3 and I am just a casual player,well past my prime 🤪 but in 90% the sweatiest players met are the controller players, just running, spraying and praying. I had today a game with only PC users and even though it was on a small map it was the best game. Nobody was running like a headless chicken, everybody was actually struggling to aim and missing shots here and there, something I cannot say about the lobbies filled with controller players.
There would probably be more casuals if the play test had been easy to download. I literally had to watch you tube videos in order to find the play test tab.
Gaming is so accessible nowadays that a huge majority of people already have experience from other first person shooter games. It's not like the early days when call of duty started taking off where a bunch of people didn't have much experience with shooters that finding noob players was easy. Nowadays finding an awful player who has no idea what they're doing is hard.
I always get texts from the opposite team its annoying like either win or lose im just chillin and mofos get so heated and worked up enough to text me somethin if they kill me its like bro i do not care ill go negative or positive and still not care its just annoying like they think they did something by texting me id try if the camo grind was legit but i think its stupid tbr like why does it go by levels all the way to 500 😂
I think people were just worse back then, gaming had an adult basis but it was mostly kids and teenagers. As we all grew up we all got much better now at least those who stuck with the hobby. Yea some people will just suck at gaming but for the most part I think the skill ceiling is just higher than what it was 10-15 years ago
It’s the tale end of Gen Z that runs around the map constantly switching from primary to secondary until they come across someone, slides around absolutely everywhere and bunny hops every corner, then when they come across some one they slide cancel, strafe left to right come up behind you, do a 180 then lay down and shoot you. It’s the gayest most over complicated and sweatiest thing I’ve ever seen in a video game
skill issue haha
@@ksisadboy888says the no lifer
@chrisupton6190 bro I played the game a few times and it's not hard to just aim and shoot
@@ksisadboy888 not in the games where people abuse that movement exploit bs that should’ve never been added back in mw19, mfers just bounce around like in AW and shit and fly around the map at super speed.
@chrisupton6190 it's not hard to do the same I don't understand the complaining it's obvious skill issue
Was having fun in the under 25 playlist, but as soon as I couldn't play that any more, I was getting matched with people who do nothing but play COD-style games all day. No SBMM is great for sweats and shit for anyone who just wants to play casually.
Same man. The game’s style screams casual arcade shooter, but the people playing are literally 99% turbovirgins😂 gotta sweat my ass off every game just to go even. Like some of us work for a living and don’t have 16 hours a day to dump into this game..
It seems like something Activision had already warned us about. Curious, right? 🤔
the sweaty players that this game has not even cod cant compare
Sweaty is an understatement 😂. I was in a lobby and they are still bunny hopping and bootie sliding all over the place 😂. I thought I was in COD lobby but it was still a breath of fresh air. Hopefully this is the year it gets released.
Bunny hopping and booty sliding is what I do when I am playing casually. If I am sweating I will usually sit around holding angles and peeking corners, because that tends to be a lot more effective in shooters.
not having EOMM rigging the matches it is a big fat W already.
I don't care about the sweats honestly.
Yeah I think a lot of people will look at this situation like that, especially the sweats though
Yeah even if I'm not playing good I'm glad to know it's cause I need to improve rather than the game being rigged right out of the gate lmao
@@JbowenDaMan I feel as though the shooter genre has moved away from the casul players view that said I'm a r6 play so I may be somewhat biased
The matches aren’t rigged lmao 🤣 it’s always a reason when yall loses
@@JbowenDaManWhat’s wrong with sweats? I genuinely want to know.
It's a test for a game that's a year overdue. Of course it's going to be sweaty. It will calm down when the full game drops and the general public get to play it in 2047
It will be sweaty, I can't believe you morons believe that everybody sucks at the game. SBMM is saving you from all the sweats
Idk, there hasn’t been one test they had where it hasn’t been extremely sweaty. Even during its peak open beta with millions of players and during the time of MW2 2022 the lobbies were PACKED with sweats.
That's what I've been saying but who actually know. One can only hope. Seems people are conditioned to sweat harder than ever nowadays.
I can't believe you think the general public will be able to play it that soon.
No it won't lmao, only the sweats will remain on it and the casuals will go back to cod where they actually get matched with their skill level. I've said this numerous times, blame social media for gaming going bad, everyone wants to be a UA-camr/Twitch streamer. Sbmm is actually good for games and this will finally teach people a lesson as to why lol. Xdefiant won't last anyways don't worry
I always thought Cold War was a good mix of the classic and modern types of gameplay/movement, granted it definitely did lean a bit more towards the modern style. I wish they’d replicate that more
Yeah i agree, Cold War probably has the best in between movement of something from the OG days, and the current gen movement as well.
I liked Cold War more and more over time. The movement was insane though. You would have thought we were running around naked with a paper assault rifle. It was too arcady at times. Still good
I love the mw3 movement. I’m glad the movement is going forward into gulf war. Best movement they’ve created in cod.
Cold War is the best of the modern era COD to me
they need to make it to when you jump your weapon spread goes insane cause im tired of jump spammers. im fighting bunnies every game
Same. It's not even an issue of hitting them, it's just silly
@TheRealLucasX115 Voltaic routines for various aim trainers help a lot (I like KovaaK's). I know it's a game with somewhat unrealistic abilities, but the constant jumping makes it impossible for me to take the game seriously at all.
complain about sweats while sweating is another level.
99% of Cod players.
That's pretty much all these youtubers and then majority of claim they just casual. You are not casual when you're making money playing this game or any fps game.
Complaining about COD being sweaty: 😃👍
Complaining about XDfiant being sweaty (the game is designed to be more competitive): 😭😭😡😡‼️
When did I ever complain about the sweats? I’m talking about how the community claimed no SBMM = no sweating at all. I wish you guys would actually watch the video lol
@@JbowenDaManMaybe there are some idiots saying that but I would say that the community knows that with no sbmm there will be some lobbies where you have to try your ass off and other where you can lean back. Of course there are a lot of sweats, don’t know where you saw people saying otherwise, but yeah that’s bs.
I remember when normal people played games for fun.
Pepperidge farm remembers
Which proves my point SBMM isn’t your enemy, the reality is there’s WAYYY more sweats then casual gamers
I think we’ve already arrived at the point that people are starting to figure out that while SBMM IS annoying, it’s actually EOMM that’s the true culprit to our problems with SBMM basically being the sidekick.
Exactly. In old COD era, this was flipped. Enough regular people were playing the game to balance out the sweats. Now its all sweats, making the game pretty much unplayable for most people.
Gonna go ahead and tell you no pvp game is ever gonna be without try hards ever again because all the kids want to be pro players, best you can hope for is a game that doesnt have sbmm but connection based match making which would most likely run into old cod problems with hackers everywhere only somewhat casual experience i have found is halo infinite mp which isnt perfect but its not terrible
I’ve noticed halo infinite being pretty causal as well! I thought I was the only one haha
Bruh most people just want the rush of popping off while they play. They don’t have intentions of being a pro player. Humans are competitive and FPS shooters are the most competitive game genre. UA-cam nowadays allows everyone to watch meta and movement tutorials, so everyone is pretty damn good nowadays
@@CPDFilms I disagree I rember just few years ago a group of teens wanted me to play on their team and all they talked about was trying to become streamers and pro players watching pro league stuff so I'd say it hasn't changed like personally I've never been super competitive im the type of guy who would solo que ranked in siege and goofed off till I was the last one and would clutch all the time doing werid and unconventional shit no one ever does in the last 20 seconds of a match when everyone else would be on panic mode and trying to stick to basic strats they see which is normally gonna get you killed in the game
This is how most people just play nowadays.
It will never be the same. With the implementation of twitch streams and YT channels (such as yours, tbh) people started playing like lifeless maniacs just to get clips. I come from OG COD days and everything was balanced. The sweatiest dude would pull an insane 360 NS once in a while and everyone would lose their minds instead of being upset they are being run over by a good player. It was a rare sight.
FPS games are now the sweatiest genre (with the exception of stuff like Bodycam which honestly is the best thing that happened to gaming industry since a long time) and it will keep being this way.
The days where we hopped in with boys to chill and laugh are gone. Now we shush eachother because some oxygen deprived crackhead bunny hopper is sliding through every corner.
Cod fucked everything up. They literally killed the fun in all FPS games forever.
However i do applaud XDefiant and devs for at least trying to bring back those days. It was good while it lasted. Not anymore, i guess.
Oh and no, im not gonna ''get gud'' in case there is some NPC dumbass who will tell me that. I have an 8-6 job and i cannot ''get gud'' by spending 48 hours infront of a computer. Be aware that people from a lot of different backgrounds play these games and they have the right to voice their opinions.
absolutely agree on everything
Yeah this playtest is way WAAAY sweatier than the last one
Glad you said it. EOMM/SBMM aren't the issue. People don't want to accept that gamers in general are A LOT better than they were in the 'classic' COD era. Overall, more people play games and want to compete, gamers in general are more competitive , especially in fast paced FPS games. Popular competitive FPS games will never be "chill" or not "sweaty" that's just how things are now.
Yeah, I honestly don’t think a day will come where you can find a FPS game that isn’t a mil sim or super tac style shooter that’s casual to play
Just try old titles with restricted mechanics. Man, even MOH lobbies were sweaty. I think movement mechanics is a fair component to build a complex and enjoyable skill curve. Zero recoil pay to win weapon bundles are not. EOMM is not. @@JbowenDaMan
I've been going atleast 30 and 10 like every game yall still garbage 😂
More like everyone just wants to get nukes every damn match and sweat and abuse every advantage they can in casual matches.
@@vdlzts.cod isn’t about movement, xdefiant is, so leave it in there let cod be more fun and casual again thr way it used to be.
Sweaty i dont mind... That wasnt the issue for me in cod... XDefiant doesnt make me feel like there is a third team behind the scenes that im playing against too like cod did
I feel that, matches will definitely feel more organic
Controversial opinion sweating in casual games should be banned. If I was a dev I'd implement a system that if it detects sweaty strats u should be suspended from casual matches but if it persists then ban. Go to ranked if u wanna sweat
How the fuck do you ban people TRYING TO BE GOOD AT TUE GAME LMAO
The fix is to get rid of sbmm everywhere because all sweats will come to the one game that doesnt have it otherwise
The vast majority of Xdefiant players are going to be those migrating from cod, which will be those who are not casual players unlike the vast majority of cod players. The casual cod players will likely not even bother with Xdefiant. Many of those players, also dont care for the factions and their gimmicky abilities and just want gunplay. The only way were going to get oldskool cod back, is to go back and play the old cods. Cod4 remastered is still super fun despite myself having played og cod4 for years and pro mod religiously.
Been thinking about getting this game but saw gameplay that had a dirty mf jumbling around. Looked dumb asf so nvm. I’ve been playing sandstorm for 6 years now and that’s the only fps game in existence where I can just play casually while listening in on whatever my wife’s watching while eating a snack. Every other fps game has losers trying to become a streamer when they’re only getting smellier and smellier the longer they go without a job.
I like your observation. It's like games can't be fun anymore.
its a playtest dude, do you actually think casuals are going to participate during a two days test server lol
Especially with our 6 man squad bro, we was sweating it out☠️☠️☠️
Facts bro, that was fun though!
Its a beta test filled with prob the most hardcore of cod players then anyone else not sure what you expected man
This is exactly what I expected. Also the previous play tests with millions of players were just as sweaty, so I’m feeling pretty positive on the full launch of this game it’s going to be no difference, if they can even pull a million players by the time this game launches 😂
@@JbowenDaMan i mean again the marketing around the game is wack and its targeting mostly cod players anyway so again expected. The game lost alot of steam and well its got the ubisoft logo tagged on it so i don't think this game will get those numbers again or even explode ubisoft is just bad juju
That's because only sweats complain about sbmm
Ever since gaming became mainstream, and since esports and streaming popped off, it naturally gave an incentive to casuals to become better. I'm personally not one to complain if the enemy player is over performing because it does take effort and skill to become good and should be respected. But most people would rather disregard people who are simply better than them, more of an ego problem. Instead of praising one's effort because they outplayed them, they'd rather complain about it or be indenial, because team based pvp games allows you to do that since you can always shift the blame to someone else even if its your fault. Ofcourse there's the cheating side too.
Everything about xdefiant screams "hidden sbmm experiment" so far
I’d say the bunny hopping/strafing is a an exploit at the moment. Every time I’m point blank at someone strafing I’m pretty sure the bullets don’t connect at all, hitbox is completely gone.
I mean I play single player open world games when I want a slower pace, I always assume fps games will be sweaty
This is how gaming will be for the rest of time especially pvp shooters.
Sbmm has never been the issue its the way people play that makes the game sweaty
remember when only half of the lobbies were sweats and the rest were casuals, and now we have all sweats on both teams
its fun for me to try cuz i wanna get better at this game for when it finally comes out
I'm sweating just thinking about it LOL
😂😂😂
People be bunnyhopping on this game like they're doing parkour 💀
Late Gen X here. Xennial if you will. I’m finding it hard to compete with younger gen’s. It’s a skill issue no doubt. My lack of skill, motivation to get better, distractions (or priorities) of REAL life, on and on… mean I’m not the target of these game developers. I know this, the game makers know this. Back to Mario Cart and golf games or some shit is my future in front of my son’s console. Haha. Least I’m not in denial. I hear what I can only guess are very young players in my lobbies. Yet they are kicking major ass. Hand eye coordination , understanding of mechanics, a desire to gain UA-cam fame by attaching their ass to a chair and streaming…. It’s a doomed gaming future for many of us real OG’s. I started on a F’n Atari! 😊
You sweats will be in my shoes one day.
It’s a test….most casual players don’t even know it’s going on
Im saying bro none of my homies even knew this came out
@@tilz1130 same, every person I asked didn’t even know this game existed
Same as last play test. Super sweat show. I try my absolute hardest and am lucky to go positive. Haven't been able to pop off even remotely. Then I jump to cod and go 32 and 10. Either I suck at xdef or cod is making me think im better at fps games than I really am. Lmao.
Same
@@alexter2o2 I tweaked my settings and watched some advanced movement videos. Was able to actually get some kill streaks. The different movement mechanics are actually kinda fun learning. But I still prefer cod. Despite it's many issues
Listen! If there truly is no SBMM, and the lobbies are still sweaty, then only one solution exists. If older CoD fans are the ones coming to XDef because of no sbmm...then the unadulterated BLAME (IT ON THE) TRUTH is...
We have been playing CoD long enough now that the older community has refined our craft until we have all gotten pretty decent...
Have you thought about playing this squad based shooter ww2 game called Enlisted?.
It is fairly casual but sometimes sweaty.
You might enjoy it. Its changed alot over the last year or so but its pretty fun.
day 1 was insanly good. day 2/3 feels ass idk why
Both days were kind of the same for me with connection, but I’ve been seeing console having a handful of issues
I got bored after day 1 too many people lasering and bunny hopping on crack it got so annoying game is fun tho just gets annoying
I’m a much more casual FPS fan than I used to be. It used to be pretty much the only genre I played other than Rockstar titles, but now I play a variety of genres of games. I feel for all you more hardcore FPS fans, but if you complain about multiplayer FPS games being too sweaty, I highly recommend trying other types of FPS games or other game genres entirely
Had 2 sweaty game against bunny hopping slide canceling group stacks. I deleted this shit so fast. Won't be playing when it comes out
With my experience on this play test, I'd say 60% of my matches were pretty chill and 40% was definitely more difficult. I would say The Finals is more relaxing to play than XDefiant or COD.
It’s simple, if you’re terrible at the game every match is going to feel sweaty. If you’re good at the game, most games will feel terrific. Also, the gaming landscape since Fortnite has been all about esports and being the best of the best, so naturally people tend to play their hardest to prove they’re the shite. Nothing will feel like true old cods because of that
I play it for the 1st time and it was horrible bunny 🐰 hopping sliders shoot no registration
Yeah the server stress test definitely made it hard to enjoy with bullets ghosting 24/7
That's why I deleted it ghost bullets people sliding into my bullets then bunny hoping kills me in a few shots kind of tired of it
To be honest i like the game but to play bunny 🐰 hoopers and run home plate sliding i stay in cod
Do keep in mind, its gonna be serious gamers on a play test.
Most of the people I talked to had paddles on their controller including myself.
Ok you did talk about this. Still, it's people that are used to these games.
I think after a full release theres a chance of catching a new generation, or new people just downloading all the free games.
I didnt have too bad of a time. Even my worst games weren't unbearable.
It's exactly the style I like tho, I love super fast paced, I'd like smaller maps, love rewarding headshots.
Bo1 and 2 and me was where it was at.
I do get bo2 vibes tho. Plenty of running and gunning, but positioning is still super necessary.
It does all bring up a great point I think you've touched on.
Most people arent as good as they think they are....
Or at least- a lot of people are PRETTY GOOD these days. And when you are pretty good, going against people that are pretty good,,, its sweaty.
But I love it either way, just because it's the style I crave. No killstreaks is lowkey a plus for me too but there should and probably will be some kinda reward for crazy streaks or multikills
I did notice something felt contradictory to the whole no sbmm thing while playing the game. There seems to be a hidden MMR in xdefiant being tested that Mark Rubin failed to mention and be open about. I tweeted at him and there was 0 response about anything inckuding permanent invisibility. He just went complete quiet during the days we all played the game
2:14 shot was sick
I love it. The ping based match making gives me a fighting chance unlike cod where I melt instantly.
I also think that the input based matchmaking will be a factor, with MnK having more sweats since the skill ceiling is just so much higher. Given the game isn't released, the "sweatiness" will calm after release since the playtests are usually overwhelmed by the more hardcore and passionate audience. Further, if the matchmaking system can be trusted in this game, it will be the closest we will have to older CoDs. Those games had tons of sweats mixed in with "regular" population. Current CoD will always cater to that 1.0 KD experience unless you're VERY good or VERY bad.
Hopefully things calm down after the launch but I’m not holding my breath
If kids haven't been playing cod since day one they don't have a valid opinion on if cod is dying
The difference between old school arena shooters and modern shooters is the niche factor. Arena shooters used to be niche and only attracted hardcore players, that is no longer the case, it’s very mainstream. The only problem I see is that hardcore niche and f2p does not go well together. This game is going to end up hardcore niche.
Mw3 and 2boxxing/VPN is a very enjoyable game. I love the game when I do it, I’m literally playing a different game. I hope they do revert it to the no SBMM way because the MW3 perk system is very good and playing in easier lobbies allows for me to test perks, vests, guns, attachments instead of using meta weapons on shipment
This guy is live-streaming and making gameplay videos, you are one of the sweats.
The no SBMM helps, but people forget that the sweaty players have been around for a while now because of COD and how they changed the game. COD and esports and streaming shaped the fps genre into a sweatfest. Everyone wants to play like a pro streamer and thats just how it is now. No matter how the game is made it will always be there and theres no way to stop it. With Xdefiant it was very sweaty, but I had a far better experience than on COD. Most games i was still positive with only a few sweats on each team each game. It felt more balanced in the sweatiness to me. I wasnt always having to slide jump around corners and crap to kill. I had a half casual half sweat game and if i toned it down and died a little more I was fine. I wasnt getting swept in the score on domination every game. Most of my games were close and never got skunked by one team. It was a better experience. We just have to accept that the sweats will always be there and SBMM isnt the main thing keeping them here. Esports and SBMM are what started it.
After not playing Cod for a few years, it feels sweatier than it with the amount of slide cancel/jumping going on. Full release is gonna be the same as every other failed FPS, sweats run it until every casual leaves
I don’t mind the gameplay, but I agree that the full release will be the exact same. People who think the game is going to all of the sudden become casual at launch, idk what to say to them haha
best thing is the input based MM .
Personally. Let me just say I haven’t finished watching but I myself am pleasantly surprised with the mix of skill I’ve come across. It wouldn’t be fun if I didn’t get shit on every once in an awhile dude. It’s been so long since I’ve been able to actually run around and shoot and have fun in an arcade shooter. Ima love it when it drops fs. My generation started was not it g. Competition in any fps has always had sweaty players dude. I think it’s just the overwhelming casual base of players has become less and less competitive and desire a more hand holding experience that requires less effort or learning.
Or maybe casual player dont have the luxury to put effort and learning playing 3 hrs a week when working 60 hrs a week. Casual player are looking for an enjoyable experience on the spot which you can't have since shooter game these days have completely been taking over by pro player, streamers, etc....who play 60 hrs a week instead of working a real job and providing something tangible to society....just sayin'
For singles SBMM makes things easier only if your playing in lobbies with much better friends does it make it harder for you
Yeah full parties definitely brings more sweats into the mix
Honestly for my OG's that cant compete anymore.... play milsims. Games like arma and squad are still going strong. I've left fast paced shooters a long time ago and I've never been happier.
If there's no sbmm, either don't break up the lobbies or explain why lobbies break up after every match
Took a break from helldivers to play xdefiant. No fun and sweats. I went back to COD multiplayer. All the sweats on Warzone now anyway😂
Every match I got into it was a sweat fest, and my 3 sensitivity ass can't keep up, so probably better for my trash ass to not play Arcade shooters again lol.
Sweats because of movement. Remember old CoDs like CoD4, MW2,3? What movement was there? Just running, you couldn't bunny hop, strafe, slide.
Game is sweaty because of MOVEMENT not players. If XD's movement would be like in OG CoDs, there wouldn't be any sweat lol
I’ve seen players go back to old cods bunny hopping u can jump in the old cods so it always existed but the players have just changed new gen 😅
@@kieroncousins3134 nah you couldnt jump more then like 2-3 times in MW series. If you bunnyhopped then you couldnt move.
this literally makes no sense, like at all. people get stomped on regardless of if there’s movement
@@xCriZzZ won’t matter if og movements will come back fact is to many cheaters in cod now defiant will become the same sooner or later…
Really the games are sweaty? I mean, I’m seeing people play to win, which you don’t see anymore as the weighted matches algorithm in the rest of the industry coach’s players to play to protect their performance metrics.
Or maybe cod players bar for trying is much lower than mine .
I think when a lot of people talk about sweats they mostly talk about movement and overly trying, not necessarily playing the OBJ and being a good team player
Idk if i can deal with no kill cam i feel like that would annoy me
We knew it would happen
100% man, that’s just the community now adays
@@JbowenDaMan exactly
Ranked matches is made for those people.
Why doesn't the sweats just go play there and leave public, casual matches?
@@FANTASMA1567 not everyone is interested in ranked matches.
Not playing competitive online games in years has truly made gaming fun again.
My experience with the 2 games I played I ended up top of the scoreboard. Didnt feel like a bot lobby but I didn’t feel punished. It’s much better feeling even with the sweats mixed in.
And obviously it’s mostly going to be sweats and people in the know during a stress test. Just wait until the game launches and is advertised on the PS and Xbox dashboards.
My complaint is the hit detection/registration still feels bunk after 1 year of “progress”
Huge let down
Yeah I’m hoping the hit detection will improve later on, I was definitely expecting it though due to it being a server stress test and we are not playing on the official build of the game, we had to download a completely different version and uninstall the previous game to make this work.
It was sweaty but at least haven't been manipulative to the point it blow Ur mind like cod does I have loads of fun playing it regardless the issues it have
Why is Sweats a topic of conversation? We’re playing a competitive first person shooter. People should play to win. And try and get better, have as highest scoring game as possible. What’s the point of playing then? I can’t complain about a sweaty game when I go in and play my best. Honestly I would rather deal with EOMM than a game with bad connections and bad net code. If the issues are there on release people will be back on Shipment in no time.
First people complain about campers and now complain about sweats. 😂
@@TheGreatLonzofr makes no sense if people not crying abt sbmm people crying abt people sweating bruh
@@domooooooooooooooo Like why not be sweaty yourself lol
You sound like a fucking giga nerd right now. A video game is to have fun not a $1,000,000 playoff game. These giga nerds are going to be a Scump and joined Optic. Full on cringe.
Cant wait for people asking for some kind of sbmm 😂
ima be honest with u back then in older cods its always been sweaty. the sweats have been around forever i swear in fps games they have always been sweaty it just is what it is. cant change that
What? Thought everyone was gonna be middle schoolers and 40 yr old dads after a long day of work?😂
The current skill pool is exactly what i expected and its fun.
It will still more fun than the call of duty sweats with no sbmm atleast everyone has a equal shot to win games
I think it’s okay. As long as it’s not being effected by outside influences. You get better thru beating the better and people. If I’m facing better competition and that’s the only reason I’m losing then ok, that’s fine. I can get better. As long as the game allows you to get better then let’s go
Every now and then a game would be sweaty, but like 80% of my games were easy and chill. I was averaging a 2.1kd this weekend but in cod I would average a 1.29kd. I really enjoyed playing and I’m hooked bro
Really??? That’s amazing! Dude I got a .8 win loss ratio right now I’m dying from the sweat 😭 but I am still having a blast!
You were 100% correct here bro!
I was expecting that
Same, and here we are and everyone is shocked 😂
@@JbowenDaMan real
Sweaty af.
I said it when they last tested and it is still true now. SBMM Isn't making it sweaty. The sweats do that on their own. And everyone hates playing against sweats. Even sweats hate playing sweats. They will quickly run off the casual players.
For my first initial hours of the play test I was so frustrated, because I had to deal with. bunny hopping, slide canceling every corner, just in general annoying unnecessary movement. I almost quit the game indefinitely, because how annoying the player economy is with FPS games combined with the annoying abilities, bugs, stability issues, etc. I could understand why a lot of people would just stick with COD which has much more polish than XDefiant. This is why I don’t complain about SBMM because every FPS game is sweaty.
Bro if sliding and jumping is too hard for you to handle and track, then you’re bad at the game 😂 get better and you’ll have way more fun. I played with some IRLs who would do way better than me and I had no fun. Then I got up to their level and the game became very enjoyable. Being bad isn’t fun.
@@CPDFilms I can handle the play styles, that’s not even the point of the comment. The excessive bunny hopping, drop shoting, crouch spamming, slide canceling every corner (which isn’t that bad really), the excessive over utilization of movement is just annoying to deal with, which is why people complain about everyone in FPS games being sweaty because these skills/tactics transfer almost across the board with shooters combined with experience makes every FPS game feels like professional 100,000$ prize tournament which is probably not intentional on a lot of people because like you said people are just adapting to the play styles and as a result you grow into unintentional sweaty player and that now becomes your normal skill level. Doesn’t change the fact that everything I listed isn’t annoying to encounter.
@@AverageGamerXP ur saying it’s excessive but it’s clearly working if it annoys you 😂 everyone can point and shoot with decent aim nowadays. That’s why movement is an important factor now…
@@AverageGamerXP and I don’t find any of it annoying. I love when I come across someone who is trying their hardest cuz when I kill then it feels way more satisfying… I play ranked way more than non ranked. And when I do play non ranked, it’s so easy idk how people complain about SBMM 😂 play MP ranked if u wanna really see people sweat…
The main issue I have with tbe game aside from the is the clunkyness. Slide cancel is decent rn but no drop shot or ability to go prone? And jump shots feel extremely bad as well. Also I'm ok playing against sweats. It's the 3rd party users and sus pc players that it bad. If they could find a way to Eliminate the cheaters. I would probably give this game more time.
Every beta is sweaty BUT I am not tripping when I say the beta last year was nowhere near as sweaty as it was compared to this recent play test
Hopefully when the game launches with ranked, the sweats will move over to that.
Black Ops 2 tried that, and it didn't work
I play on ps5 and turned off crossplay on mwIII and i have less sweats to deal, there still are obviously still going to be some, but not having pc to worry about is always good
Tbh most casuals don't even know this test is going on so most diehards or people that follow xdefiant know
Basically a black ops game if have without sbmm
If sweats are the only problem then it’ll be a great game. If there is enough room to be that good for a lot of players, that’s just how it’s gonna be. XDefiant it’s still a fun game and they’re giving us a “good COD”
true it was a little sweaty but it wasnt every single match, you can lobby surf 🏄, cods sbmm algorithm you will have 10 straight games or more of sweats and wall hacks and etc, and there is no eomm algorithm that alters stats and etc like with cod, ill give black ops gulf war a shot, but i will be playing alot more of xdefiant, the changes they will make and etc.
"Shockingly" this is what happens when everybody has "legal aimbot". I have over 600h of gameplay in Cod MW3 and I am just a casual player,well past my prime 🤪 but in 90% the sweatiest players met are the controller players, just running, spraying and praying. I had today a game with only PC users and even though it was on a small map it was the best game. Nobody was running like a headless chicken, everybody was actually struggling to aim and missing shots here and there, something I cannot say about the lobbies filled with controller players.
i run into sweats but its definitely not overrun with sweats.
There would probably be more casuals if the play test had been easy to download. I literally had to watch you tube videos in order to find the play test tab.
Gaming is so accessible nowadays that a huge majority of people already have experience from other first person shooter games. It's not like the early days when call of duty started taking off where a bunch of people didn't have much experience with shooters that finding noob players was easy. Nowadays finding an awful player who has no idea what they're doing is hard.
this is why i have stuck with the older games no more of this BS for me yall can have this and anyother game of today am good
I always get texts from the opposite team its annoying like either win or lose im just chillin and mofos get so heated and worked up enough to text me somethin if they kill me its like bro i do not care ill go negative or positive and still not care its just annoying like they think they did something by texting me id try if the camo grind was legit but i think its stupid tbr like why does it go by levels all the way to 500
😂
I think people were just worse back then, gaming had an adult basis but it was mostly kids and teenagers. As we all grew up we all got much better now at least those who stuck with the hobby. Yea some people will just suck at gaming but for the most part I think the skill ceiling is just higher than what it was 10-15 years ago
Everyone wants to be the next ninja