U.S. Navy World War 2 Gato Class Submarine USS Silversides (SS-236) Radio Room Muskegon, Michigan, Museum 6 July 2018 Video By Heinz Thiel World War 2 HRS Press Corps www.worldwartwohrs.org/
Thank you. My father-in-law was a US Army radio operator stationed at Adak with the Navy during WW2 and my brother-in-law was a submariner during or after the Vietnam War. I learned Morse code as Boy Scout from the US Marines at Camp Pendleton and have been an Amateur Extra radio operator for 20 years. One of my nicknames is "Chief." Thanks again for the video. N0QFT
I have the RBM mw and Hf receivers, they were never issued, but were saved from destruction at depot due to front end leakage. Have a homemade power supply. Still work.
Nice video. Thanks. I am NamVet1967 & retired US Coast Guard, also amateur radio operator. I recognize apparatus in this video. Qualified as USN CommSys Tech Controller. Semper Paratus.
@@zawir_usaodpowiadausa3354 too many no-coders today. I more or less quit ham radio at the demise of the old USSR. They had good CW ops. I have no desire to QSO you. ZBM2 anyway.
@@brassslowhand3680 QBG I tell u why, coz ur fascist country commercialazed so much Amater Radio that all decent ops left it. Today it is something like better CB radio with awful CW ops and vy wealth trx owners. Pathetic LIDS... ARRL and DXCC commerciallazed it.
I found an old QSL card from you guys at the hamfest, dated way back 2011 from W9AB, Muskegon, MI. Michiana Amateur Radio Club. Have you guys thought about doing that again? 73, KN4GEI
27 years as a two way radio technician for Motorola. They were tube amps so that’s why they needed their own generator. The grid current across the plates of the tubes will knock you down dead. I’d also guess those transmitters were kilowatt for sure. You quoted VHF (120-160mhz ?). Also, are they FM, AM, SSB ?
The TBL was primarily used for CW (continuous wave) Morse code it also could transmit basic amplitude modulated (AM) voice. The SCR-522s operated on AM voice between 100 and 156 MHz ( although they used the term megacycles back In the 1940s. The SCR-522 was a very early VHF AM voice transmitter/receiver set. Aircraft VHF radios to this day both civilian and military use AM for voice comms because FM, commonly used on VHF for ground mobile applications has issues such as “picket fencing” rapid fluttering fading and some other undesirable effects associated with the high speed of aircraft relative to ground vehicles. The Army was just starting to use FM for tactical voice comms in WW2. Single sideband voice comms were not adapted by the military until the mid to late 1950s. There was some limited use of SSB on long distance military point to point transoceanic circuits in WW2. For all its size and weight the TBL power output was a whopping 200 watts on CW and 50 watts on AM voice! Other items in visible in the Silversides vkdeo include an RAK (VLF and LF) and RAL )HF) receiver pair ( the square black boxes with two meters on the front panel, and an RBO ships entertainment receiver. There is also a civilian Hallicrafters early VHF receiver, not sure exactly why they are there on some of the WW2 fieet boats, perhaps for ESM (electronic surveillance) purposes listening for enemy aircraft on VHF or radars, some of which operated at the lower end of the VHF spectrum in WW2. Chris AJ1G Stonington CT
Neil Krumbeck Interesting Video. In May last year, our team discovered the wreck of the USS Robalo (SS-273) in the southern Philippines. I've been researching fleet submarine radio equipment as we believe that Robalo's radio may have failed as she was not heard from for over three weeks and left her assigned patrol area early. What are the chances of a complete radio failure and would you know if anything like that has ever happened to any US Submarines?
Complete radio failure is unlikely unless power died. Most naval craft carried various transceivers and receiver transmitter pairs to cover various frequency ranges. If one unit died unlike today the RO (Radio Operator) had the parts and experience to repair it. Other situations such as antenna issues and atmospheric conditions could play into that. But if in trouble distress frequencies were heavily monitored and the RO could get a signal out. In this video I see 5 receivers I can immediately Identify. There are probably more and at least 3 transmitters though I only see one. Each transmitter receiver pair if designated for a certain frequency range (vlf lf mf hf vhf uhf) would have their own antenna. So with so many radios and antennas though I could see it happening it's unlikely that sudden radio failure occurred. But I am not an expert.
short wave morse code communication is the only technology right now which has enabled global communication without relying on relay station, such as satelites. Based on this senses, it should not be considered as obsolete. Today, the internet relies on relay station such as satellite, which may not be available during disasters ,such as alien invasion.
The Hallicrafters SX-25 doesn't belong there. Besides, the Hallicrafters has 1960s knobs from an ARR-41 style receiver on it. No radios or other equipment would have been just stacked unsecured on top other equipment, so this radio room is not quite historically accurate.
The radiomen not only had to send and receive messages, but they also had to know how to repair the equipment if their were problems.
Of course but tube equipment was much easier to repair than todays equipment
@@zawir_usaodpowiadausa3354 Best of all they didn't have smart phones!
Thank you.
My father-in-law was a US Army radio operator stationed at Adak with the Navy during WW2 and my brother-in-law was a submariner during or after the Vietnam War.
I learned Morse code as Boy Scout from the US Marines at Camp Pendleton and have been an Amateur Extra radio operator for 20 years. One of my nicknames is "Chief."
Thanks again for the video. N0QFT
all those tubes must have made that little closet a sweat box when they heated up, wow.
Thanks. I've been looking for something radio room specific on a Gato class. Mahalo
Navy ships have the very best RF ground plane that anyone could ever dream of or want!
But the worst antennas!
@@chipmack7 That is understandable.
Very well done. All the docs and movies I've seen about subs don't even touch the details of this 3:45 snippet. Thanks from Calif.
I have the RBM mw and Hf receivers, they were never issued, but were saved from destruction at depot due to front end leakage. Have a homemade power supply. Still work.
You are so lucky to have them
Nice video. Thanks. I am NamVet1967 & retired US Coast Guard, also amateur radio operator. I recognize apparatus in this video. Qualified as USN CommSys Tech Controller. Semper Paratus.
You are war Criminal. Its shame that you are amateur radio operator. I would not answer you on the bands.
@@zawir_usaodpowiadausa3354 too many no-coders today. I more or less quit ham radio at the demise of the old USSR. They had good CW ops. I have no desire to QSO you. ZBM2 anyway.
@@brassslowhand3680 QBG I tell u why, coz ur fascist country commercialazed so much Amater Radio that all decent ops left it. Today it is something like better CB radio with awful CW ops and vy wealth trx owners. Pathetic LIDS... ARRL and DXCC commerciallazed it.
@@zawir_usaodpowiadausa3354 You are sick idiot.
I found an old QSL card from you guys at the hamfest, dated way back 2011 from W9AB, Muskegon, MI. Michiana Amateur Radio Club. Have you guys thought about doing that again?
73,
KN4GEI
Awesome
very good.....
Was there any of the encryption equipment in the radio shack on the sub?
I have a receiver like the one on the left lower part of the bench. Does anyone know if it was originally a sub radio?
VERY GOOD
The thumbnail of the Radio room looks like the marine version of Mr Carlsons lab......
RIGHT! HAHAHA!
27 years as a two way radio technician for Motorola. They were tube amps so that’s why they needed their own generator. The grid current across the plates of the tubes will knock you down dead. I’d also guess those transmitters were kilowatt for sure. You quoted VHF (120-160mhz ?). Also, are they FM, AM, SSB ?
The TBL was primarily used for CW (continuous wave) Morse code it also could transmit basic amplitude modulated (AM) voice. The SCR-522s operated on AM voice between 100 and 156 MHz ( although they used the term megacycles back In the 1940s. The SCR-522 was a very early VHF AM voice transmitter/receiver set. Aircraft VHF radios to this day both civilian and military use AM for voice comms because FM, commonly used on VHF for ground mobile applications has issues such as “picket fencing” rapid fluttering fading and some other undesirable effects associated with the high speed of aircraft relative to ground vehicles. The Army was just starting to use FM for tactical voice comms in WW2. Single sideband voice comms were not adapted
by the military until the mid to
late 1950s. There was some
limited use of SSB on long distance military point to
point transoceanic circuits in WW2.
For all its size and weight the TBL power output was a whopping 200 watts on CW and 50 watts on AM voice!
Other items in visible in the
Silversides vkdeo include an RAK (VLF and LF) and RAL )HF) receiver pair ( the square black boxes with two meters on the
front panel, and an RBO ships entertainment receiver. There
is also a civilian Hallicrafters early VHF receiver, not sure exactly why they are there on
some of the WW2 fieet boats, perhaps for ESM (electronic surveillance) purposes listening
for enemy aircraft on VHF or
radars, some of which operated at the lower end of the VHF spectrum in WW2.
Chris AJ1G Stonington CT
I didn’t see any CW keys!
Wonder why there are no straight keys or bugs in the radio room? Really weird.
Neil Krumbeck
Interesting Video. In May last year, our team discovered the wreck of the USS Robalo (SS-273) in the southern Philippines. I've been researching fleet submarine radio equipment as we believe that Robalo's radio may have failed as she was not heard from for over three weeks and left her assigned patrol area early. What are the chances of a complete radio failure and would you know if anything like that has ever happened to any US Submarines?
Complete radio failure is unlikely unless power died. Most naval craft carried various transceivers and receiver transmitter pairs to cover various frequency ranges. If one unit died unlike today the RO (Radio Operator) had the parts and experience to repair it. Other situations such as antenna issues and atmospheric conditions could play into that. But if in trouble distress frequencies were heavily monitored and the RO could get a signal out. In this video I see 5 receivers I can immediately Identify. There are probably more and at least 3 transmitters though I only see one. Each transmitter receiver pair if designated for a certain frequency range (vlf lf mf hf vhf uhf) would have their own antenna. So with so many radios and antennas though I could see it happening it's unlikely that sudden radio failure occurred. But I am not an expert.
@@chrisc1553 Thanks very much Chris, very helpful.
short wave morse code communication is the only technology right now which has enabled global communication without relying on relay station, such as satelites.
Based on this senses, it should not be considered as obsolete. Today, the internet relies on relay station such as satellite, which may not be available during disasters ,such as alien invasion.
What about the zombies?
did CW or morse code used in the marine and sub marine vessel...???
yes, as late as 1966 the USS Redfin use morse for ship shore, and the fleet broadcast...no teletype
I am come to this channel because of accident of Indonesia submarine NANGGALA 402...!!!
"Fair Winds and Following Seas" Brothers on your eternal patrol.
Is it still there or no
The Hallicrafters SX-25 doesn't belong there. Besides, the Hallicrafters has 1960s knobs from an ARR-41 style receiver on it. No radios or other equipment would have been just stacked unsecured on top other equipment, so this radio room is not quite historically accurate.
I worked on SCR399A receiver AR88 old time SW all band Some time my statio all tranzistors hi hi hi 73gb gl
Not a big fan of the paint job either!
cliff jones lesson to be learned google
this equipment is not the original wat belonged on here.. Its still nice. But not original.