That's a good question. But yeah he should have been bigger..but as you know..egos are a mutha..i..dont think Juelz realized how good he was...i truly dont...when the ROC and DIP SET beefed?...there were casualties on both sides...DIP SET had a stable of dope artists..so did the ROC..but nobody had the answer to the question...WHAT WAS THESE CATS SUPPOSED TO DO?...it was messed up on so many levels..dudes careers were doomed..and it was of no fault of their own..it was and is a shame..because if any MC in the mid 2000s who got swagger jacked?..it was JUELZ...and i understand he did songs with FIFTY..but i cant blame him..when two guys who are icons in the game starts beefin?...and you HAVE to take sides?...what do you do?.
This is really interesting for me. I was in my last year of college when he and Wayne started buzzing. Andre 3000 was the 3rd option at that time. Wayne was always ahead of Juju. But I totally believe juelz could have been in the spot drake was behind Wayne from 09-11 ,when drake officially became the headline rapper .
Wayne is a chameleon. He went from southern, to dipset swag, to suburban skater dude. Lol. Gotta be able to reinvent yourself. Looks like he gave Drake the blueprint.
Whether Bimmer, Benz, or Bentley, I be movin', I be movin' Making movies Tom Cruisin' if it's action then I'm shooting Pockets fat, necks studded, boy my nickname should be Ruben
There are a few inconsistencies here. 1 - Juelz was never a better lyricist than Cam. 2 - The interview where Cam talked about Juelz drug addiction was years after the Jim and Juelz joining 50 on stage. 3 - The feud with Jim and Tru Life played a MAJOR role in Dipset not moving around much, is what ultimately led to Cam's long hiatus, and him feeling even more betrayed with the 50 cent/Jim/Juelz situation. 4 - After the success of "Ballin" and Byrdgang, Jim attempted to take lead in Dipset, and it appeared that Juelz was backing him. 5 - As Wayne became more popular, he severed ties with Juelz. From interviews that I've watched, Juelz maintained that he was interested in CFMF, but Wayne stopped mentioning it altogether, and instead focused on Young Money. 6 - Juelz drug issues played a HUGE role in his fall from grace. The quality of his music started to suffer and he took a really bad fall with the drugs... even leading to his gun and oxy arrest at the airport. 7 - Despite all of this, he started to make a buzz for himself in the resurgence of NY rap between 2016-2018, but the gun arrest at the airport set him back even further. 8 - Love & Hip-Hop set him back even further. With all of that being said, I'll always be a Dipset/Juelz fan and I think that his story is far from over.
@@Brandonforever21608 Not fronting on Juelz AT ALL, but you got Cam messed up. Cam has legitimate classic projects under his belt. Dips was solid and hungry Juelz was a PROBLEM, but Cam? ua-cam.com/video/DGfIBSCYWgA/v-deo.html
That tru life New York New York still bang and that track he did with jay-z and then yeah that members of byrdgang put jimmy on top but that entire mixtape bangs rRIP my nigga STACK BUNDLES..... but you 1000 percent right tho
He said in a interview he said his house was broken into and his music was destroyed or stolen in the process and he didn't have the will to keep rapping after losing all of his tracks. At least it stopped him for awhile,but by the time he tried to get back in the game it was too late the game had left him behind and he couldn't fit in with the new wave.
Juelz is just lazy man. He had a buzz again when BBB came out with Lloyd Banks and he never capitalized. Some people just don’t want it. Wayne wanted it. Drake wanted it. You can clearly see the difference between those 2 and Juelz Santana. Lloyd Banks is another example of a guy who just didn’t want it bad enough. He just wanted to rap, get his money, and smash chicks. That’s it. He didn’t want the power and the stardom 50 wanted.
When Julez was going bar for bar with Wayne on that i can’t feel my face mixtape, i just KNEW Juelz was up next. I’m a big dipset fan and i always wanted juelz to blow up. His verse on losing weight pt 2 with cam 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Juelz went in. Juelz had it.
He still big what's the problem? I mean, the lean did more damage than anything. His mouth got Bobby Brown jaw and you can hear it when he spit. He still lyrically tough. Punchlines and Metaphors are still up.
@@onesharpsagittarius9377 he didn’t live up to his full potential when you look at him being right next to Wayne, jeezy, and T.I. I’m still dipset fan. I’ll always be a dipset fan but he didn’t live up to his full potential. The lean messed him up along with his work ethic. And he caught that case too. He’ll always be a legend to me regardless.
There was a alternate reality where juelz santanna was the BEST rapper in nyc for about 90 days!!! He directly influenced lil wayne he brought weezy to harlem for a summer and sent him back home wearing acg boots and wallet chains
I remember when 50 Cent was hosting an episode of Rap City on BET and Jim Jones popped up as a guest while 50 was beefing with Cam!! I was so disappointed as a Dipset fan at that point!! It felt like some divide & conquer shit 🤦🏾♂️
I remember that,I was disappointed to,I was getting ready for a Juelz vs 50 beef but I think Camron pissed Juelz off to much with him not siding with cam fully in jayz beef then cam calling him a drug addict put the nail in the coffin and even though cam was out of line for that Jelz killed his own buzz when he stooped to cam level by appearing with 50 cent,it was a sucker move that destroyed his reputation as a loyal dude to the public eye with his group and against the leader of his diplomats group camron.
It was divide and conquer what 50 did which was his plan all along when he found out thier situation which he shouldn't had known.he even tried to put jimmy against cam when he had jimmy close in his ear telling jim that he would be the better as the boss of dipset which was an even worse idea considering jimmy had no real connections outside of dame.50 knew what he was doing by gassing jimmy,50 the king at that chit he learned that in the streets divide and conquer.
I'm really feeling this new stunted growth page bro. Santana was one of my favorite rappers at one point. Everybody in my hood was running around wearing pink, rocking bandanas to the side, that shit was epic. I have to agree with you 💯 percent.
For me Santana and CamRon was one of the best to do it for real. Hey mah was a legendary hit and Santana made that song back in 02 with CamRon 20 years ago at 20. Definitely one of the best to do it and most definitely paved away for most rappers today especially in New York its sad they ain't spoken about as much.
Juelz is still that dude. In Washington heights he's adored and in Harlem he's still the king. I'm deadass! 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴 But on the real Cam had a choke hold on his contract. Juelz couldn't move without Cam. They had a dispute for 8 years.
@Bold&Black MuvA facts and im sure juelz wasnt trying to ride the coattails of lil wayne... he tried to do it his own way but i think he took too much time between dropping music and wasnt consistent enough to keep pace with how fast music was starting to get pumped out.
This hurts me the most as a inner city kid from ny growing up in his reign he could have been king he had it all and was a beast everything he dropped as far as projects are fire his freestyles were goat level he had nyc going crazy
The Cam vs 50 situation was hilarious. Cam got so deep (pause) under his skin that 50 had to change his album name to convince us it didn’t bother him.
I'm pretty sure Wayne flat out admitted at some point that Can't Feel My Face never got done cause Julez just didnt really work as hard as Wayne and it just wasn't syncing up. It basically sounded like nice way of saying my Homie just is lazy or not quite as driven.
Cam def a better lyricist than Juelz and artist too. None of Juelz albums compare to Purple Haze, SDE, Come Home With Me etc. saying that though, i still love Juelz music.
@@djcastano1180 Damn Santana never gave us the fans the opportunity to make that comparison but the one thing I can say is when he was under Cam wing the flow was impeccable same thing in Vado case he left the nest and the music and fans suffered
The gulf in skills between Wayne and Juelz is so large, how could he ever be bigger. Let's not blame it on drugs, Wayne was doing the same shit he was.
@@joshuajarod1909 what do you mean I'm saying juelz was highly skilled he has interesting rhythm schemes, unique flow, good punch lines, and was lyrical he just got lazy and stopped putting out consistent music where Wayne kept grindin and kept pushing to evolve his style
JC I love what you doing with the channel. You also deserve more subscribers. As a New Yorker I remember all of this. You Diiiid leave out a couple points though. You didn't give a reason why Cam took a hiatus. His mother had two strokes. Also Cam admitted to blocking Juelz features and official "Can't feel my face". Juelz was on hot97 explaing why he disappeared. Even saying "I need he to have a talk with Cam". Cam later came out and say Juelz wasn't lying and he wasn't approving Juelz to do features or an official "Can't feel my face" 'cause he wasn't feeling Juelz developing syrup habit. This all end of '08 top of '09. Between Hot97 and Cams XXL cover story. So he wasn't lazy he was dead ass benched.
Julez was all fire back then..out of all of Dipset I bought his album and would play it every damn day. It’s a shame he could take off because he was definitely on the rise.
Juelz admitted that he got lazy. In an interview, Juelz spoke on losing his studio and having the fire to go to any other studio to record songs and/or do features because having the access to an at-home studio spoiled him.
I swear to you I’ve been hearing “the album is done” or “the album is coming” since bush was in office. I know he got raided and whatnot, but take 6 weeks and really lock in with a single producer and you’ll have a CLASSIC.
Very slim chance Juelz could have been bigger than Wayne. He could've been a platinum rapper/a success. Wayne is an icon who carried a whole label on his back for years. The next step from being a success is not Wayne yall gotta relax 😂
nah It's '' I get the boasters boasting, I get computers putin Y'all get shot at, call me, I do the shootingI do the recruiting, I tutor the studentsI nurture they brain, I'm moving the movement Whether Buddhist or Buddha, that's Judist or Juda''
Juelz went kinda commercial on the second album in my opinion. Juelz coulda been like currenssy and had a solid cult underground following. Juelz can still do his thing honestly if he doesnt worry about making popular music and just make his own style of music like he use to. He might not get to be super big but he def will gain a solid following.
If you ask me Wayne actually took off after hanging around the dips he got his whole swag from them at that time (and Wayne is my favorite rapper of all time so don’t debate with me)
Digging these music stunted growth! You def from my era with the music and hoops! Keep up the good work! oh yea, you been doing the ROC might as well do the Young Gunz :)
Look this is how I see it, Juelz & Jim Jones were literally on the same boat. Juelz was said by many to have the most potential coming out of Dipset and not many thought Jim would step out to be as nice as he is on the mic. Jim dropped one big hit and then he latched onto that opportunity then didn’t stop moving, he networked to the point he’s getting collabos from all coasts. Juelz had hits, made a highly anticipated mixtape with Wayne and got more shine when Chris Brown started his career. I put this all down to Juelz not putting his foot on the gas when the time was right. Once he got in he settled for where he was at instead of keeping himself on top.
In nyc we never looked at santana in the way u talk about him lol. Maybe because we heard alot of his music before other areas or maybe because Cam is the king of harlem. We listened to him but we never put him high on our list and we definitely would never say he's a better lyricist than Cam or big L or ma$e or tones of other rappers from NYC.
I agree with the cam and big L shit but juelz definitely had young niggas dressing like him from bandanas and all that but truthfully without cam none of them niggas would be popping and I'm talking post Big L mid 99 shit
crazy cuz im from RI and i have cousins that live in the city and they never understood why i liked juelz so much. they never seen dipset as a big deal. but in ri they were huge. i remember i would go to the city and always play dipset and they would be suprised at how big of a fan i was cuz NY wasnt really big on dipset like that. it was like jay z or nothing for them.
I think he was too young back then to choose side. Cam helped him enough by signing him and featured him enough times but to raise him as a huge solo artist to an other level was not his task cause he was also trying to help himself and his own career at the time, that1s why he dissed Jay and 50 cause he also had to fight for attention.
I disagree with you on this one. Juelz was never that nice to begin with, his bars were too simple, outdated and not strong enough. He was being marketed like one of those 00s big clothing fashion dudes where a lot of his fans came from. He made some nice songs for sure, but Cam, JR, Hell Rell, 40 cal, A-Mafia could rap circles around him. And Cam being one of the very best rappers of the 00s. If Juelz was a basketball player, he'd be that inefficient guy, who has quite a few fans who does some cool moves from time to time, but gets carried by the better more skilled teammates. Basically the kind of player who has a short 6-7 year NBA career, because of not having great enough technical skills to keep him longer in the league.
@@iamanobody2805 Yeah image and production is what he had. Him and Jim Jones were hella overrated and both needed to surround themselves with spitters cause they were nothing but an image to get more fans. Like Dipset B team is nothing but spitters. JR Writer's Block mixtapes are classic, Hell Rell would oftenly drop the best verse on a track. A team is overrated, B team is underrated.
I actually agree with A LOT of the stuff you guys said here. I used to love Juelz and Dipset, but damn his music did not age well for me at all! Jim was also super overrated, but damn was Balling fire back in day...Thinking back it was fucking stupid how crazy that record was. However in recent years he's actually gotten better, like waaayy better. He's not the like Jadakiss or anything, but I did enjoy El Capo.
Being born and raised in Brooklyn I have Fab and Jada in my top 5 of all time (you heard that correct). People look at me crazy when I say Juelz is on that level.
Santana fell off after doing that “I can’t feel my face mixtape” with lil Wayne.. Ain’t been the same since.. smh 🤦🏾♂️ Moral of the story.. Cocaine one helluv a drug..
Juelz could’ve been another Lil Wayne for sure; He was one of the few up top rappers that the South would’ve supported heavily. He had no where near the same output as Wayne tho. He’s never had a classic album either. He was a dope rapper tho and had the talent he just didn’t have a versatile flow that would make him sound fresh like a Wayne or a Jay Z. Plus Juelz never changed is “swag”... He should’ve taken some pointers from Fabulous as far as going into that grown man status.
I feel like young chris was a great rapper but his songs wasn't good like all his freestyles was 10/10 but some of them young gunz songs not that good looking back at it
@@marks9304 beats and politics. Availability and accessibility. Without that machine behind you. This was 05-10. The internet independent game was in its infancy stage. Even with koch etc. help. The industry was leaning towards the south fr.
@@chipdaniels6172 right bro I'm a young guns fan young chris was the man at rocafella chris was a beast I just get tired of people talking that crap I always wanted him to blow after that he signed to rico love left def jam and homeboy did nothing with him but young guns album tough love was a classic
Truth be told lil wayne was the one that introduced syrup to juelz and but instead of juelz controlling it he let it take him over that's why he lost his front teeth smfh
First off much respect for the detail and topics you choose! Will def be studying to start my own channel! These dudes were iconic and the legacy/impact they had makes it hard to say they’re potential was stunted, but I agree there was something left to be desired. Especially after the Verzuz disaster lol. It’s Dipset 4 L tho - some Elz bars definitely still hold up today ✊🏾we can’t erase the wave and movement they gave us on top the dope music!
Juelz is still a big artist to me. Run it was a huge record. Juelz walked on that joint effortlessly. It solidified him as a mainstay. "I caint feel my face is getting started, and weezy is my accomplice"🗣️ juelz still will walk all over your favorite rapper.
At one point Juelz was considered the prodigy of hip hop, I always thought that I can’t feel my face album hurt juelz career that was going to cement his legacy in hip hop.
I have a suggestion. How about Charles Hamilton? At one point he looked like he had great potential, beat Kendrick in a quick freestyle battle. But then Hamilton got into drugs heavily and Kendrick became who Charles Hamilton was supposed to become.
“ ..and I ’ll play dead just to fool you, just to move you, all that just to shoot you, fall back this kid is coo coo” Juelz was so raw man!! My top two favorite rapper behind Wayne!!!
@@716TheAlterEgo yes but look at how lil wayne evolved. His whole style changed since then. Not necessarily for the better but to keep him relevant in todays sound.
Excellent video JC this video was amazing you nailed it on everything with Juelz Santana. Next video you have to do is Remy Ma or Chief Keef both had stunted growths in music.
Some things about this is inaccurate, Jim & Juelz didn’t perform with 50 Cent, they just had performances in the same venue and they took photo ops together afterwards. They should have stood with Cam harder though, Jim ended up with beefing with 50 later down the road and Juelz was heavy on the syrup to the point he lost teeth.
Na. It was 50 Cents show. He toured the 5 boroughs of New York and that specific night he performed in Harlem and brought out Jimmy and Juelz like he did with Remy Ma a night later when he performed in the Bronx when she was beefin with Fat Joe that same year. 50 later brought Jimmy to Rap City when he took over for a week
I would play that What The Games Been Missing album repeatedly when I was young and in high school, dude was super talented and even still has it with that joint with Dave East and Jim Jones called Pink Eagles
Young and being so use to being told what to do, stagnated his talent. And when he lost those hard drives that had years of his music on it that he was going to release. Sunk him into the place that left the effects of what we as fans are now starting to see.
You got me cuz! I subscribed. You was in your element here! Real journalism 👏! You had me already with the hoop! But this one and the Beanie. How can I be on the research team?
Nobody stunted his growth Wayne work ethic was just incredible over 75 features in 1 year yeah Juelz would've or could've been bigger but wayne out worked everybody hell they have mixtapes together but it got buried by all of Wayne's other shit after that Cam'ron had Juelz fired up it was Juelz who had to stay lit
Could Juelz have been a bigger artist?
Not Wayne but he could have been the face of dipset for sure but he and camron were always neck and neck.
That's a good question. But yeah he should have been bigger..but as you know..egos are a mutha..i..dont think Juelz realized how good he was...i truly dont...when the ROC and DIP SET beefed?...there were casualties on both sides...DIP SET had a stable of dope artists..so did the ROC..but nobody had the answer to the question...WHAT WAS THESE CATS SUPPOSED TO DO?...it was messed up on so many levels..dudes careers were doomed..and it was of no fault of their own..it was and is a shame..because if any MC in the mid 2000s who got swagger jacked?..it was JUELZ...and i understand he did songs with FIFTY..but i cant blame him..when two guys who are icons in the game starts beefin?...and you HAVE to take sides?...what do you do?.
This is really interesting for me. I was in my last year of college when he and Wayne started buzzing. Andre 3000 was the 3rd option at that time. Wayne was always ahead of Juju. But I totally believe juelz could have been in the spot drake was behind Wayne from 09-11 ,when drake officially became the headline rapper .
Most definitely
Loving this hip hop stunted growth bro
SHIT WAS GENIUS!!
keep it going SALUTE 💯
Wayne is a chameleon. He went from southern, to dipset swag, to suburban skater dude. Lol. Gotta be able to reinvent yourself. Looks like he gave Drake the blueprint.
Gotta sell what people are buying at the time.
💯
He stole Soulja slim rapping style and try to steal clipse style hence their beef
He rode that dipset Harlem swag hard.. dont 4get the Gillie from Philly vibe he rode for a lil while too...
He also did rock at some point 😂
You could make a whole series of rocafella artists 😭😭😭
Facts💯💯💯
😭 not freeway 🛣
Fatzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........but Jay and dame was earning the spotlught up
@@SVGIN yea they also single handedly decided the fate of alot of careers after the split
Peedi crakk should’ve been a star
When I was in middle school, my basketball team would enter the gym to Dipset Anthem
No other better song for real! Dipset Dipset Dipset!
That's ill just imagining it. Please tell me y'all were good. Can't walk out to a song like that and be trash lol.
@@301.allday yea, we were good lol
And the other song part of that song is fire as well 🔥
That’s dope ! 😂
“Human Crack in the flesh/ I'm the last of the best/ One word to describe me, spectacular, YES!” - Juelz Santana
So stay calm shorty, when you see that palm 40, I pop it slow, you'll rock and roll like bon jovi!!!
Whether Bimmer, Benz, or Bentley, I be movin', I be movin'
Making movies Tom Cruisin' if it's action then I'm shooting
Pockets fat, necks studded, boy my nickname should be Ruben
that line weak
@@enriquemonad2725 that shit weak too
@@igspar007 lol write something better than nigga , right now
There are a few inconsistencies here.
1 - Juelz was never a better lyricist than Cam.
2 - The interview where Cam talked about Juelz drug addiction was years after the Jim and Juelz joining 50 on stage.
3 - The feud with Jim and Tru Life played a MAJOR role in Dipset not moving around much, is what ultimately led to Cam's long hiatus, and him feeling even more betrayed with the 50 cent/Jim/Juelz situation.
4 - After the success of "Ballin" and Byrdgang, Jim attempted to take lead in Dipset, and it appeared that Juelz was backing him.
5 - As Wayne became more popular, he severed ties with Juelz. From interviews that I've watched, Juelz maintained that he was interested in CFMF, but Wayne stopped mentioning it altogether, and instead focused on Young Money.
6 - Juelz drug issues played a HUGE role in his fall from grace. The quality of his music started to suffer and he took a really bad fall with the drugs... even leading to his gun and oxy arrest at the airport.
7 - Despite all of this, he started to make a buzz for himself in the resurgence of NY rap between 2016-2018, but the gun arrest at the airport set him back even further.
8 - Love & Hip-Hop set him back even further.
With all of that being said, I'll always be a Dipset/Juelz fan and I think that his story is far from over.
Bro Juelz was 100% a better lyricist than Cam come on now 😒
@@Brandonforever21608 Not fronting on Juelz AT ALL, but you got Cam messed up. Cam has legitimate classic projects under his belt. Dips was solid and hungry Juelz was a PROBLEM, but Cam? ua-cam.com/video/DGfIBSCYWgA/v-deo.html
That tru life New York New York still bang and that track he did with jay-z and then yeah that members of byrdgang put jimmy on top but that entire mixtape bangs rRIP my nigga STACK BUNDLES..... but you 1000 percent right tho
@@Brandonforever21608 na, Cam was better. 1 of the most underrated
Juelz would devour Cam
He said in a interview he said his house was broken into and his music was destroyed or stolen in the process and he didn't have the will to keep rapping after losing all of his tracks. At least it stopped him for awhile,but by the time he tried to get back in the game it was too late the game had left him behind and he couldn't fit in with the new wave.
That's awful 😞😓
That man has made millions of excuses for not being productive 🤦
Lean
Juelz is just lazy man. He had a buzz again when BBB came out with Lloyd Banks and he never capitalized. Some people just don’t want it. Wayne wanted it. Drake wanted it.
You can clearly see the difference between those 2 and Juelz Santana. Lloyd Banks is another example of a guy who just didn’t want it bad enough. He just wanted to rap, get his money, and smash chicks. That’s it. He didn’t want the power and the stardom 50 wanted.
What the GAME left behind
His verse on Cam'ron Losing Weight pt 2 still gives me chills. You could hear his hunger.
Hell yeah
Yo!!!! Hard!!!!!
“They wanna know why I’m so nice……..”🔥🔥🔥
@@dxlxrated when it comes to spittin that 🔥
@@argylesmith9141 “it’s reall dawg I live in the fire……..”
"There's nothing worst than wasted talent" - Sunny from "A Bronx Tale"
Worse* 🤦♂️
He made millions a d travelled the world in style,I doubt he waisted his talents 🤷♀️
Sonny didn't say that. Lorenzo the dad did
When Julez was going bar for bar with Wayne on that i can’t feel my face mixtape, i just KNEW Juelz was up next. I’m a big dipset fan and i always wanted juelz to blow up. His verse on losing weight pt 2 with cam 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Juelz went in. Juelz had it.
He still big what's the problem? I mean, the lean did more damage than anything. His mouth got Bobby Brown jaw and you can hear it when he spit. He still lyrically tough. Punchlines and Metaphors are still up.
@@onesharpsagittarius9377 he didn’t live up to his full potential when you look at him being right next to Wayne, jeezy, and T.I. I’m still dipset fan. I’ll always be a dipset fan but he didn’t live up to his full potential. The lean messed him up along with his work ethic. And he caught that case too. He’ll always be a legend to me regardless.
@@IcebergSlim03 that's true. But he still had a nice run and solidified himself as a solid MC.
@@onesharpsagittarius9377 oh yeah absolutely!! I love dipset. I’ll never disrespect any of them ever lol.
There was a alternate reality where juelz santanna was the BEST rapper in nyc for about 90 days!!! He directly influenced lil wayne he brought weezy to harlem for a summer and sent him back home wearing acg boots and wallet chains
BUT ACG NIKE BOOTS IS A D.C. THING
@@jamalvines2133 ok???????!!!! Did i say it wasnt or something?? I know acgs originated in chocolate city
@@raviolihands5347 THANKS FOR THE CREDIT. BUT POPULARIZED NOT ORIGINATE.
WANT ME TELL YOU WHO POPULARIZE TIMBS TOO LLS
@@jamalvines2133 it was nyc first in the 90s but was akso a dc thing too in the late 90s then poppin again in dc in the early 2ks
wayne basically took Juelz style and saturated it.
I remember when 50 Cent was hosting an episode of Rap City on BET and Jim Jones popped up as a guest while 50 was beefing with Cam!! I was so disappointed as a Dipset fan at that point!! It felt like some divide & conquer shit 🤦🏾♂️
He tried way to mf hard to act cool and snaked just about everyone
I remember that shit 50 was hosting Rap City all week cause they didn't have a host.
I remember that,I was disappointed to,I was getting ready for a Juelz vs 50 beef but I think Camron pissed Juelz off to much with him not siding with cam fully in jayz beef then cam calling him a drug addict put the nail in the coffin and even though cam was out of line for that Jelz killed his own buzz when he stooped to cam level by appearing with 50 cent,it was a sucker move that destroyed his reputation as a loyal dude to the public eye with his group and against the leader of his diplomats group camron.
It was divide and conquer what 50 did which was his plan all along when he found out thier situation which he shouldn't had known.he even tried to put jimmy against cam when he had jimmy close in his ear telling jim that he would be the better as the boss of dipset which was an even worse idea considering jimmy had no real connections outside of dame.50 knew what he was doing by gassing jimmy,50 the king at that chit he learned that in the streets divide and conquer.
Yes bro. They could of had the best group beef in history, but Jimmy was stupid n weak and got fooled by the Gunit Boss
I’m so upset Juelz never became the artist he should’ve been. Him and Wayne was like a real dream team.
He had the potential to be the best NYC artist and one of the goats,crazy how other people's issues lead to his own demise as an artist.
facts
I remember when Dipset was fire in NYC. Santana had so much fucking swag
Everybody wanted to be Santana back then,around 2010 nobody cares anymore though
I'm really feeling this new stunted growth page bro. Santana was one of my favorite rappers at one point. Everybody in my hood was running around wearing pink, rocking bandanas to the side, that shit was epic. I have to agree with you 💯 percent.
For me Santana and CamRon was one of the best to do it for real. Hey mah was a legendary hit and Santana made that song back in 02 with CamRon 20 years ago at 20. Definitely one of the best to do it and most definitely paved away for most rappers today especially in New York its sad they ain't spoken about as much.
But there names are the most mentioned in the game even as of today
Juelz is still that dude. In Washington heights he's adored and in Harlem he's still the king. I'm deadass! 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴 But on the real Cam had a choke hold on his contract. Juelz couldn't move without Cam. They had a dispute for 8 years.
🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴👌🤗 I agree!
@Bold&Black MuvA facts and im sure juelz wasnt trying to ride the coattails of lil wayne... he tried to do it his own way but i think he took too much time between dropping music and wasnt consistent enough to keep pace with how fast music was starting to get pumped out.
This hurts me the most as a inner city kid from ny growing up in his reign he could have been king he had it all and was a beast everything he dropped as far as projects are fire his freestyles were goat level he had nyc going crazy
The Cam vs 50 situation was hilarious. Cam got so deep (pause) under his skin that 50 had to change his album name to convince us it didn’t bother him.
We gotta add pause on every sus statement when speaking about cam 😂😂
I'm pretty sure Wayne flat out admitted at some point that Can't Feel My Face never got done cause Julez just didnt really work as hard as Wayne and it just wasn't syncing up. It basically sounded like nice way of saying my Homie just is lazy or not quite as driven.
Yoooooo you officially the GOAT for this opening. Cant wait to see this series grow!
My 44 piece talking
Do mo mo street talking
Than Stone Cold Steve Austin
Damn!!!
@@jameshamilton5947 that boy Santana had some quotables
You about to see a preview of the Matrix 12!
The I can’t feel my face is legendary for both of them. That’s when Wayne up the level. Next was drought 1,2, n 3!!
Wayne was even repping "I Can't Feel My Face" in Da Drought 3
Wayne was even repping "I Can't Feel My Face" in Da Drought 3
@@jameshamilton5947 facts that was a good lil era da clue and dj k Slay had some bangers too wit em
LMAO theres no such thing as I cant feel my face its just fake ass mixtapes with leaked collabs between them
@@cube5884 damnnnn I thought that was official. Them rumors hit different back then lol
Dipset! Dipset! Dipset! Juelz is one of my favs, but Cam’ron was my favorite outa Dipset. Juelz had lyrics also!
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Cam def a better lyricist than Juelz and artist too. None of Juelz albums compare to Purple Haze, SDE, Come Home With Me etc. saying that though, i still love Juelz music.
@@djcastano1180 Damn Santana never gave us the fans the opportunity to make that comparison but the one thing I can say is when he was under Cam wing the flow was impeccable same thing in Vado case he left the nest and the music and fans suffered
@@djcastano1180 S.D.E. is def a classic and still is better than any watered down shit that's out today
@@djcastano1180 Cam a better lyricist than Juelz Santana???? Idk bruh....they both spitting too much heat for me to even decide
The gulf in skills between Wayne and Juelz is so large, how could he ever be bigger. Let's not blame it on drugs, Wayne was doing the same shit he was.
It's not the drugs Wayne had a drive to be great Juelz just didn't have that and thought he would fall into being great because of his skill
@@ChrisH421 he was skilled tho
@@bigjay2627 I know I said he didn't have the drive to be great just wanted to rely on his skill and skill is not enough
@@ChrisH421 What else on top of skill
@@joshuajarod1909 what do you mean I'm saying juelz was highly skilled he has interesting rhythm schemes, unique flow, good punch lines, and was lyrical he just got lazy and stopped putting out consistent music where Wayne kept grindin and kept pushing to evolve his style
I love that era of the mid 2000s where Juelz/Dipset and Wayne were collabing they definitely gave Wayne the keys to take over the rapgame
Wayne used them n took the ball n ran with it - he seen that door open n ran all the way through it
Juelz shouldve signed to young money when wayne was on top
Hell yea
Yeah and made no money like all the rest of them?
Yup lol
Nah he should've worked harder wit Dipset
Hell no!!! He good in dipset and helping make that shit bigger
This is all facts. Juelz still a legend tho ask fredo
Laziness stunted his growth.
Drugs not laziness
@@hemme100 that didn't stop Cam or Wayne
I have to disagree with you on that. He not lazy. He will put in the work.
The whole damn gang in here, like Kurt Cobain in here chea chea chea!
Used to be my shit lol
JC I love what you doing with the channel. You also deserve more subscribers. As a New Yorker I remember all of this. You Diiiid leave out a couple points though. You didn't give a reason why Cam took a hiatus. His mother had two strokes. Also Cam admitted to blocking Juelz features and official "Can't feel my face". Juelz was on hot97 explaing why he disappeared. Even saying "I need he to have a talk with Cam". Cam later came out and say Juelz wasn't lying and he wasn't approving Juelz to do features or an official "Can't feel my face" 'cause he wasn't feeling Juelz developing syrup habit. This all end of '08 top of '09. Between Hot97 and Cams XXL cover story. So he wasn't lazy he was dead ass benched.
By 07 Wayne was killing everything.
Facts while juelz was caught up in drama wayne was taking over
@@bornreadytrill right cuz by then wayne had already remixed jay song "show me what you got" and tore it to shreds.
And then he makes a fool of himself during a Verzuz and Jadakiss puts him in a coffin
Julez was all fire back then..out of all of Dipset I bought his album and would play it every damn day. It’s a shame he could take off because he was definitely on the rise.
Wayne is in a League of his own and makes his point clear whenever he feels like it....
Lil Wayne the clown that says BLM do not matter lol no
Lil Wayne > Jay Z
@@dreadxplayzs7849 this didn't age well with BLM now being exposed as a scam by greedy black women.
He was also in the streets .... that kept him financially comfortable that’s why was stagnant 2012- and up
Juelz will prove substance over style is always everlasting.
Juelz admitted that he got lazy.
In an interview, Juelz spoke on losing his studio and having the fire to go to any other studio to record songs and/or do features because having the access to an at-home studio spoiled him.
That’s a bad excuse. He still wasn’t releasing music in his at home studio.
I swear to you I’ve been hearing “the album is done” or “the album is coming” since bush was in office. I know he got raided and whatnot, but take 6 weeks and really lock in with a single producer and you’ll have a CLASSIC.
What the game's been missing album was a classic album and it's hella underrated bruh
Lil wayne did create an offspring of mumble rappers. That’s definitely a fact
Very slim chance Juelz could have been bigger than Wayne. He could've been a platinum rapper/a success. Wayne is an icon who carried a whole label on his back for years. The next step from being a success is not Wayne yall gotta relax 😂
FACTS
I get chills thinking about Come Home wit Me (the song)
...have you in court, kids that ain't yours...
One of the greatest songs
Come home with me, dog where the beef is seeking
Kids don't trick or treat, they get tricked for treating
Thank you for this, I’ve always wondered what happened to Juelz.. he was up next..
"I get the shooters shooting, the boosters boosting and the looters looting." Camrom.
nah It's '' I get the boasters boasting, I get computers putin Y'all get shot at, call me, I do the shootingI do the recruiting, I tutor the studentsI nurture they brain, I'm moving the movement Whether Buddhist or Buddha, that's Judist or Juda''
@@tnglilsean5198 jeff Hamilton genius
@@jeremiahmarshall8848 Leather Time Bitches Say I'm The Man I Tell Em Nevermind
@@tnglilsean5198 they getting nice they got some ice
Computers Putin
Juelz went kinda commercial on the second album in my opinion. Juelz coulda been like currenssy and had a solid cult underground following. Juelz can still do his thing honestly if he doesnt worry about making popular music and just make his own style of music like he use to. He might not get to be super big but he def will gain a solid following.
If you ask me Wayne actually took off after hanging around the dips he got his whole swag from them at that time (and Wayne is my favorite rapper of all time so don’t debate with me)
Yep. Between Dipset and Gillie. Wayne became more east coast. But it's still crazy to think Wayne was already a Vet in the game before his Big run lol
Big facts, dipset had everyone switching to fitted jeans & Ts/skull belts lol seems like that's when Wayne started reppin Piru too..
@@Isvvx Don't forget the wallet chains 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Where u from ny
@@Isvvx Rap Facts
Digging these music stunted growth! You def from my era with the music and hoops! Keep up the good work! oh yea, you been doing the ROC might as well do the Young Gunz :)
Look this is how I see it, Juelz & Jim Jones were literally on the same boat. Juelz was said by many to have the most potential coming out of Dipset and not many thought Jim would step out to be as nice as he is on the mic. Jim dropped one big hit and then he latched onto that opportunity then didn’t stop moving, he networked to the point he’s getting collabos from all coasts. Juelz had hits, made a highly anticipated mixtape with Wayne and got more shine when Chris Brown started his career. I put this all down to Juelz not putting his foot on the gas when the time was right. Once he got in he settled for where he was at instead of keeping himself on top.
In nyc we never looked at santana in the way u talk about him lol. Maybe because we heard alot of his music before other areas or maybe because Cam is the king of harlem. We listened to him but we never put him high on our list and we definitely would never say he's a better lyricist than Cam or big L or ma$e or tones of other rappers from NYC.
Us down south niggas fucked wit Santana heavy
Definitely wasn't better than Cam or Big L, but everyone fucks with Santana!
Juelz always was that nigga
I agree with the cam and big L shit but juelz definitely had young niggas dressing like him from bandanas and all that but truthfully without cam none of them niggas would be popping and I'm talking post Big L mid 99 shit
crazy cuz im from RI and i have cousins that live in the city and they never understood why i liked juelz so much. they never seen dipset as a big deal. but in ri they were huge. i remember i would go to the city and always play dipset and they would be suprised at how big of a fan i was cuz NY wasnt really big on dipset like that. it was like jay z or nothing for them.
His versatility reminds me of herb, not too flashy but flashy enough to show you he’s a born star
Julez was my favorite out of Dipset. He let his time pass him by, he was satisfied with just being one of the guys and not Thee Guy
perfect description of his situation
I think he was too young back then to choose side. Cam helped him enough by signing him and featured him enough times but to raise him as a huge solo artist to an other level was not his task cause he was also trying to help himself and his own career at the time, that1s why he dissed Jay and 50 cause he also had to fight for attention.
I disagree with you on this one. Juelz was never that nice to begin with, his bars were too simple, outdated and not strong enough. He was being marketed like one of those 00s big clothing fashion dudes where a lot of his fans came from. He made some nice songs for sure, but Cam, JR, Hell Rell, 40 cal, A-Mafia could rap circles around him. And Cam being one of the very best rappers of the 00s.
If Juelz was a basketball player, he'd be that inefficient guy, who has quite a few fans who does some cool moves from time to time, but gets carried by the better more skilled teammates. Basically the kind of player who has a short 6-7 year NBA career, because of not having great enough technical skills to keep him longer in the league.
@@iamanobody2805 Yeah image and production is what he had. Him and Jim Jones were hella overrated and both needed to surround themselves with spitters cause they were nothing but an image to get more fans. Like Dipset B team is nothing but spitters. JR Writer's Block mixtapes are classic, Hell Rell would oftenly drop the best verse on a track. A team is overrated, B team is underrated.
I actually agree with A LOT of the stuff you guys said here. I used to love Juelz and Dipset, but damn his music did not age well for me at all! Jim was also super overrated, but damn was Balling fire back in day...Thinking back it was fucking stupid how crazy that record was. However in recent years he's actually gotten better, like waaayy better. He's not the like Jadakiss or anything, but I did enjoy El Capo.
"Who am I" one of my favorite tracks all time 💯 .....do Lloyd Banks‼️
Being born and raised in Brooklyn I have Fab and Jada in my top 5 of all time (you heard that correct). People look at me crazy when I say Juelz is on that level.
Santana fell off after doing that “I can’t feel my face mixtape” with lil Wayne.. Ain’t been the same since.. smh 🤦🏾♂️ Moral of the story.. Cocaine one helluv a drug..
Be careful who you bring in, they her hex powers and they will steal your thunder
It never released dicchead
@@Kingsmyth18 think you’re referring to your daddy 🤡
Juelz could’ve been another Lil Wayne for sure; He was one of the few up top rappers that the South would’ve supported heavily. He had no where near the same output as Wayne tho. He’s never had a classic album either. He was a dope rapper tho and had the talent he just didn’t have a versatile flow that would make him sound fresh like a Wayne or a Jay Z.
Plus Juelz never changed is “swag”... He should’ve taken some pointers from Fabulous as far as going into that grown man status.
I used to want to be like Julez so bad in middle school that’s how much of a influence he had . Respect for the content! 💯
Damn bro this was nice. I rock with this.
Can you do Lloyd Banks next. Dude was literally the best lyricist in G-Unit and should have been one of the all time greats.
He already is
Buck was cold too
No one up to today can match his bars
@@78grafikal cassidy. Wayne. Fab. Em. Papoose
Young Chris too ppl forget Jay borrowed his flow for 3 years
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I feel like young chris was a great rapper but his songs wasn't good like all his freestyles was 10/10 but some of them young gunz songs not that good looking back at it
So why Chris ain't blow after the rocafella break up since his flow was so good 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Jay z been blew up who did chris and beans work for
@@marks9304 beats and politics. Availability and accessibility. Without that machine behind you. This was 05-10. The internet independent game was in its infancy stage.
Even with koch etc. help. The industry was leaning towards the south fr.
@@chipdaniels6172 right bro I'm a young guns fan young chris was the man at rocafella chris was a beast I just get tired of people talking that crap I always wanted him to blow after that he signed to rico love left def jam and homeboy did nothing with him but young guns album tough love was a classic
Man bro I appreciate the love you showed that verse in the beginning because these ppl don’t know man
What stunted juel growth.. him sipping on syrup 🍷& continuously getting locked 🚓 up
Truth be told lil wayne was the one that introduced syrup to juelz and but instead of juelz controlling it he let it take him over that's why he lost his front teeth smfh
@@bornreadytrill lmao syrup don’t make you lose ya teeth
@@blacksheep9278 yes it do u gotta do yo research
Juelz just wasnt good enough to be a solo artist. On some real shit the real backbone of Dipset was Hell Rell, JR Writer and 40 Cal.
@@mutulushakur6 stop it
I feel this! I waited for juelz the be the one top guy in rap. This video series a breath of fresh air. Keep em goin pleeez!
Wow this is a great great idea. Santana was def supposed to be that dude. From NYC, he was the prince...damn man. salute
First off much respect for the detail and topics you choose! Will def be studying to start my own channel! These dudes were iconic and the legacy/impact they had makes it hard to say they’re potential was stunted, but I agree there was something left to be desired. Especially after the Verzuz disaster lol. It’s Dipset 4 L tho - some Elz bars definitely still hold up today ✊🏾we can’t erase the wave and movement they gave us on top the dope music!
Y’all remember when Santana showed his jewelry on the come up ? Classic
Juelz is still a big artist to me. Run it was a huge record. Juelz walked on that joint effortlessly. It solidified him as a mainstay. "I caint feel my face is getting started, and weezy is my accomplice"🗣️ juelz still will walk all over your favorite rapper.
At one point Juelz was considered the prodigy of hip hop, I always thought that I can’t feel my face album hurt juelz career that was going to cement his legacy in hip hop.
ICFMF was like the original DOOM/STARKS album. Exciting to imagine but knew it wasnt ever coming
@@raisinbigdaddykane9723 yeah man I wanted that to happen bad, just found out a year ago it didn’t happen due to Wayne label issues.
i totally forgot about this! you brought back mad memories
Juelz was the chosen one since from me to you
I have a suggestion. How about Charles Hamilton? At one point he looked like he had great potential, beat Kendrick in a quick freestyle battle. But then Hamilton got into drugs heavily and Kendrick became who Charles Hamilton was supposed to become.
He was messing with them devils that run the industry and was into some dark activity
Check his most recent video.
And Tyler The Creator became the Charles Hamilton that made it.
In my opinion, juelz started getting lazy with the bars and sounding trash during his skull gang era
That's when he started drinking that shit
“ ..and I ’ll play dead just to fool you, just to move you, all that just to shoot you, fall back this kid is coo coo” Juelz was so raw man!! My top two favorite rapper behind Wayne!!!
Juelz definitely could have been the goat. One of the only people to go bar for bar with Wayne back then and be just as good as not better
This is about to be my favorite channel
No
Man Wayne on a whole nother level from any artist that Eva came out period
I really enjoy this channel its fresh and in-depth
Juelz was that guy. He was toe to toe with wayne.
He didn't have the versatility tho
U reaching cutty
@@todtt How? Did you not hear the "Blow" mixtape?
@@iseerashonal821 He had songs for the streets and on the radio. Nominated for grammys. He definitely had versatility.
@@716TheAlterEgo yes but look at how lil wayne evolved. His whole style changed since then. Not necessarily for the better but to keep him relevant in todays sound.
Juelz didn’t want to go to those private parties!!!😂😂
watching from Zimbabwe in Africa. your reach and content is amazing man. props for expanding into a music edition of stunted growth.
Excellent video JC this video was amazing you nailed it on everything with Juelz Santana. Next video you have to do is Remy Ma or Chief Keef both had stunted growths in music.
Wayne the goat how can you say such truth. I miss 07 juelz, prime juelz
You forgot his studio got raided
Some things about this is inaccurate, Jim & Juelz didn’t perform with 50 Cent, they just had performances in the same venue and they took photo ops together afterwards. They should have stood with Cam harder though, Jim ended up with beefing with 50 later down the road and Juelz was heavy on the syrup to the point he lost teeth.
Na. It was 50 Cents show. He toured the 5 boroughs of New York and that specific night he performed in Harlem and brought out Jimmy and Juelz like he did with Remy Ma a night later when he performed in the Bronx when she was beefin with Fat Joe that same year. 50 later brought Jimmy to Rap City when he took over for a week
Lil Wayne with the 75 mixtapes and the Carter series took over rap music in the 2000’s.
Juelz was dope ASF....💯🥃🍾
I would play that What The Games Been Missing album repeatedly when I was young and in high school, dude was super talented and even still has it with that joint with Dave East and Jim Jones called Pink Eagles
Young and being so use to being told what to do, stagnated his talent. And when he lost those hard drives that had years of his music on it that he was going to release. Sunk him into the place that left the effects of what we as fans are now starting to see.
He did drop an album about 7 years ago..The track with him and Future on it is 🔥🔥
Yall need to stop He ain't never out did Wayne or came close to me
Lmaoo facts . Not out do
C'mon now niggas know Wayne had a bunch of writers
You got me cuz! I subscribed. You was in your element here! Real journalism 👏! You had me already with the hoop! But this one and the Beanie. How can I be on the research team?
Santana's laziness is what stunted his growth. Cam said he had to lock him in a studio sometimes
My boy expanded 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Nobody stunted his growth Wayne work ethic was just incredible over 75 features in 1 year yeah Juelz would've or could've been bigger but wayne out worked everybody hell they have mixtapes together but it got buried by all of Wayne's other shit after that Cam'ron had Juelz fired up it was Juelz who had to stay lit
I already had major respect for the stunted growth NBA page but you out doing ya self with this one keep the amazing content flowing my g one love.
Great work!!! I'm loving this series already. Some suggestions for future vids:
Canibus
Field Mob
Drag-On
Mike Jones (who?)
Lil Mama
Proof
Lil mama?
Field Mob just had bad luck as far as labels
Canibus for sure..
Definitely Drag-On
The first time I smoked a blunt I was listening to What the Game’s Been Missing
Should've did a gangsta grill with wayne and build his buzz back up
Hello 🗣🗣🗣
He making a comeback...go listen to Bloody Mary
@@jaydenjohnson1757 nigga Bloody Mary is mad old & Juelz is lazy