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The Diplomat's Career Was FUN, FLASHY And A DISAPPOINTMENT! What Stunted Their Growth?
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2024
- Camron, Jim Jones, Juelz Santana and Freaky Zeaky. The Diplomats (also known as Dipset) Formed in 1997
The diplomats. One of Hip hop most well known and well respected groups of all time. If there were any rap group that capitalized early in their careers and made somewhat of the most of their influence it was dipset. Together they're cultural icons that were in control of shaping the direction of hip hop at one point in the early 2000s. Their mixtapes and full length projects, highlighted by the series “Diplomatic Immunity” 1 and 2 led their ascendance and received high praise at the peak of their run, but became a quick climax, that in just a few years was realized it would be peak of where together they could take their unique sound. Separately they all had success, and also a chance at being bigger than they eventually became. They made magic as a collective, and are still relatively relevant today, but it always feels when their name is brought up they didn’t quite hit the mark. The problem that led to Dipset actually falling short by all accounts was actually just that. Everything not effectively coming together to at least seal the lid on a great career. Just one that has been stunted at crucial points, and here are 3 of the biggest reasons I think this happened. Legends in the game, yet under delivered in the grand scheme.
The Diplomat's Career Was FUN, FLASHY And A DISAPPOINTMENT! What Stunted Their Growth?
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Was The Diplomats a Disappointment?
Once the beef with 50 happened it was over
They got major internal issues you can tell shit before they got slaughtered in the verses they looked like they just got done arguing backstage.
No not at all! We are still talking about them good or bad. Yea the Lox won, but they even admit that Cam is nice, which he is. Juelz lyrically hung w Wayne on ICFMF mixtape. Jimmy Got his own thing going. It’s just different times IMO
Camron beef with nas and 50 destroyed his career
@@quanbeenonnetwork469 don’t forget the beef with nas
Cam counting money while freestyling on Rap City is still one of the most legendary moments in hip hop
all facts
cam is a goofy
Escalade Marmalade Color Pink Chardonnay
Bro that sh*t was so cold. I wish I could've posted the whole thing. He spazzed. It felt like pieces were really off the dome too. You could tell by his crew's reaction. Prime Killa
Lame
Jim falling, Juelz getting his bandana slapped off and Cam getting booed Was Crazy asf🤣😅
Cam ain’t the blame for dipset’s downfall. He stated that his mother was sick during the 50 beef so he fell back & Jim told him he wanted to fake beef but cam said that would confuse the fans. He also pointed out that Juelz was lazy & was hooked on lean then he asked Cam to release him. If cam is the blame then why was Vado poppin when Juelz was nowhere to be found? Jim took Stack’s style & beefed with Max when Max got him hot. Jim today is nice now but he’s really the blame for the group’s downfall. As for the verzuz, them niggas never fucked with each other
Very well put
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Cam was not a good leader tho and I understand he left he left because his mom was sick but he left when 50 was killing NY so that’s just bad timing. Even cam at the versus seem like he just don’t fuck with niggas idk Shit is weird. And juelz is the perfect example of wasted talent smh
@@duanemoody257 Before Cam fell back NY was dead tbh. The South had already taken over & after the Game did 300 bars, fif & g unit wasn't on top. I agree on the verzuz. Until the day Cam wants to speak on it we'll never know why he was originally bout to leave MSG before deciding to get on the stage wit the rest of them
@@duanemoody257 that verzuz they had a better dj cam shoulda came like the old cam first then jada started freestyling cam coulda freestyle that bitches ain’t song some of they playlist was off juelz was off forreal
I wouldn’t call them a disappointment. They dropped some amazing music as the dips and each main member had decent solo runs too. I do wish juelz had gone further after working with Wayne though. That would’ve been so dope to see/hear.
He was hooked on lean juelz couldn’t focus
Lil Wayne wouldn't be in his position he's in without Santana and Dip Set.
Juelz should and could have been in a similar position yet he couldn't produce nor reach his potential.
@@Hiphop4life7083 your crazy af lmao cash money ran rap for a few years before he even met dip set
They had one good mixtape together, Wayne has 6 or 7 classic mixtapes alone
Wayne out rapped Santana which at the time ppl didn't think he could do .. that was the beginning of the legendary Wayne and Santana peak .. as we now know as of today
I’m still celebrating DipSET even though they lost the verzus..”I really mean it” takes me back to a special place in time.
And i can tell you really mean it..
@@chitownbuck6389 🎵🎵🎵🎵I REALLLLYY!!!! MEAN ITTTT!!! DON"T GO DOOON DONNN DONNNN DONN.🎵🎵🎵🎵
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Jadakiss dropped 63 on them alone
"Why these niggas keep rhyming over the words" lol! Sounded like he was pleading his case to his mom about his siblings getting more snacks than him. Jada a legend for that night
Lol nope 65
I cant call Cam or the Dips a disappointment. Cam got 2 classics and Diplomatic Immunity is a classic. The real disappointment is Juelz . This man was going bar for bar with peak Wayne and did not capitalize on the popularity at the time.
I think Cam got 4 classics
That's the thing about NY rappers, they are always overhyped. Papoose. Saigon. Maino. Canibus. Every 2 years or so there's always a guy from NY that the East Coast is pushing heavy and they never do anything because they're simply wack.
@@sthao1733 I diaagree. Cats like Maino yes they are overhyped. But the others you named, they actually were really dope artists. The problem with them was their stagnation. No proper label to market them to their particular audience, a delay or a travesty in the makings of their debut albums with little budgets, or simply them being limited in their range with their artistry. They were far from wack. They just didn't get the chance to shine as they should've due to factors stagnating them
@@sthao1733 cant even say wack. Natural NY rappers aint easy to be marketed cause they’ll always be in another shadow. Wouldnt say they wack they either get too big headed or they fame rushed em quick and they fall short
@@sthao1733 them the type of rappers who think every song gotta be 100bars of extreme knowledge and big words 🤣 they aint know howto make a catchy song not even like Nas could
Dipset was only a disappointment for people who were late to the party 🥳 I was rocking with them since school days, and it was a great time! I will say though, the versus wasn't a good showing, but people act like the Lox aren't the frikkin Lox!! Barely anyone from NY can handle them in that arena.
The whole roc a fella situation stunted everybody growth
Yep everyone except jay and Kanye hood thing jadakiss still had ruff ryders backing him
Pretty much
Talk about it
Yeah rhyming shit like "chewie ooowie doowie wooowie pooper scooper super duper" had alot of room for growth
That label ruined everybody careers.Jayz destroyed it and the culture after he returned to rap which if Dipset had stopped and destroyed him we be having a different story.
We need sum real Stunted Growth artists.. Kurupt, Lady of Rage, Hurricane Chris, Yung Joc,Shawnna, Chingy, J-Kwon & Young Dro
Wow u spot on. He need 2 do 1 of dem artist u named next. Sware
@@Kplattjr1 I could've named more.. H e started doing artists who had more underground success than mainstream success. The Fab video was a reach to me
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They took a loss in the versus and suddenly they a disappointment overall? Doesn't change how many classics they got between the main three of them at all.
I wanna snuff this dude man he sound crazy dips was a movement hits out the wazooooo
Damn y’all childhood heroes lost get over it MAN !!! 😂
@@dionruffin3996 so
Y'all talking about hits but it was always the beats!!!Take a lot of them beats away and the bars don't hit the same.
@@charlesbuckley5615 thats anybody smh 🤦 camron always was nice santana early days he was nice hell rell was nice jr writer was a monster thats a fact dont hate speak facts 💯
They did better than most. Some artist are lucky to drop an album. Dipset had a whole roster with multiple projects
Dips had a movement as a group noone else but wu had that
Exactly I don’t think their growth was stunted, the rap game just changed.
Exactly dawg trippin
Dipset was average group.
@@vaughnreedjr6592 dipset wS a average group how? When a generation dressed and talked like them they had thier own movement like or or not thats not average sir state property was more average and they was still a movement
"Got my computers putin" -Killa
That killa hp commercial 😂😂🤣🤣💀💀☠☠
*I got them clappers clappin'*
*I get them rappers rappin'*
*I do my math, doggy*
*I get protractors tractin'*
-Crank Lucas (as a local rapper trying to get signed to Dipset... by rapping like Cam)
@@301.allday 🤣
Bro, I'm ashamed to tell people I like that verse by Cam lol
@@stuntedgrowthmusic don't be, it's a dope track lmao
Will never take away how much of an impact they had on my highschool years
The LOX came hungry and prepared for war. Dip Set were too laid back. Some how satisfied like Rocky , when he fought Chubba Lang for first time. They had a great career. With a better work ethic they could have stayed on top for longer. The Roc-A-Fella breakup also had huge influence…
Because they didnt have the bench on the stage(40Cal, Hell Rell ,JR Writer)
who was present at the venue as well
🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️
I honestly think bc they had the more hits they thought they could just show up & that would be it
@@courtneysmith1352 plus everyone all over had playlists they thought they would've played and turned out they went left with the shit they played 🤦🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️
Like the WHAT THE GAME BEEN MISSING + THE DIP TAPES was that left out 😑
Lox obviously better but lets be honest they're solo albums are trash compared to dipset solo albums
@@arizonaFIREent Jadakiss 1st album eats all of dipsets combined.
When booed Cam when he was trying to freestyle...Harlem took a major L.
Man... that even hurt me... I'm like get it out Cam, please.... the nigga kept saying go get ya gun lol i dunnoo
Dips lost the versus hands down.
But NOTHING can take away the fact that they ran Hip Hop culture for a solid year.
@@BangersnMashDNB 😂😂
Yup, summer 2003 til summer 2004. lol
Hammer ran 1990 whats your point?
@@LordHaveMurcielago Facts! At least a solid year on lock! But their influence/success goes well beyond that.
@@musaka2022 Even if an artist fails, their success can't be erased.
Dipset was hella influencal🗽it's not easy going from broke teenagers to rich young men & everyone staying the same page 🎨 Great video🌟✌❤💛💚💖
Dipset ran shit for years. They had a good run. All things come to an end.
Dipset is my favorite group of all time! Video is on point. JR Writer n Hell Rell were underrated, underappreciated and should've been pushed MUCH harder!! JR, Ruga, Jim and Juelz could've held it down til Cam came back. Dipset forever!!!
Exactly its like Jimmy and Juelz were only interested in jumpstarting their own groups instead of just doing a group album with Hell Rell,40 Cal and JR Writer with features from Byrdgang and Purple City before that.
I agree, Dip-Set could've been a dynasty if certain things worked out. Overall tho, The Diplomats had a great run
They definitely underachieved
Cam Disappeared
Juelz Was Lazy
And Jim Droped The Ball With Max & Stack.
Cam was lazy
Juelz was lost
And Jim went solo
@@Messiah_Black When was Cam lazy?
2002-2005- Paid In Full, Dipset mixtapes, Sizzurp liquor, Albums..
2006-Now.. Killa Season Movie, more mixtapes, Vado projects, Cousin Bang projects, more albums, Dipset merch, now he has his own strain of weed and viagra..
Killa did shit every 2-3 years,
who came out in 1997 that’s bustin moves with a brand like Cam? Without a lame ass podcast to be relevant lol
@@Mikelauren212 I’m talking about from a business standpoint. After the fall of Rocafella, Cam went MIA in terms of expanding the brand & the label. Being a boss means leading by example & making sure the business doesn’t fail. Jay Z went on to create Roc Nation, who (ironically enough) Jim is now signed to. Even with that versus battle, you could tell Cam was unprepared & just thought he’d get by on being the “fly” guy. But Jim & the Lox are still actively making music on a regular, so that’s why their performances stood out.
@@Messiah_Black The fall of RocAFella was 2004, cam had his own liquor Sizzurp in 2005, an independent movie Killa Season in 2006,
He signed a deal with Koch & got bread off of indie ownership without a MAJOR in 2006..
2 independent movies that was on Netflix in 2013 under HIS production company, he has several food franchises he owns, he has his own weed & viagra that he OWNS,
Soo WTF are you talking about?
Rocnation has a parent company Live Nation, meaning Jay don’t own it & it’s NOT independent, Try Again man 🤦🏾♂️😂
Jim is a sucker, that’s well known..
Cam got the business DONE for the verzuz, he carried them with his solo hits, Jim did a 6 track medley in 2 mins Lmfaoo
@@Mikelauren212 And what does any of that have to do with putting out new music, or the Diplomat Records label? You talking about shit he was doing back in 2005, What new artists has he signed? What albums or features has he put out? Jay & Cam were about on the same level in 2002, where they at now? Bottom line he’s still owns 70% of the company & is getting artists & athletes deals & money. That’s a real “boss.” Jimmy still putting out new music & albums currently, & they all fire. Hip Hop, The Harry Fraud Collab, El Capo, Wasted Talent, The Kitchen... Cam put out what PH2 after a 10 year hiatus that was “eh” at best? Viagra & weed strains are gimmicks for niggas who ain’t relevant in the game no more.
they thought it would be an insignifigant stroll down memory lane.
it was at that moment: 👀
I was 14-15 yrs old when I first was exposed to them ('02, "Dipset Anthem"), and I've forever been a fan ever since. I used to spit their rhymes in "rap battles/cyphers" and my friends would go crazy. I used to dress like 'em and everything. They definitely had a positive impact on my creativity in everything I approach
I remember I still dig that S.A.N.T.A.N.A song very dope beat
You ain’t got the answers sway
@@cricketfanatic4716 That's Kanye not Dipset get it right.
@@Thespeedrap shut up
@@cricketfanatic4716 Whatever man😄
That rapcity freestyle was legendary!🔥💯
Hip hop fans love them, not pop fans.... There's a difference
Hip Hop fans are better follower than bubblegum pop fans.
@@Thespeedrap you would know
The diplomats are great rap group but they underachieved and Cam'ron was an intelligent man but was a bad leader. Diplomats could have been Young Money before Young Money, ego and they didn't maximize their full talent. Even the underacts did not pop because of the horrible leadership from the squad. JC you nailed and speak straight facts Cam'ron dropped the ball on the Dipset Juelz Santana dropped only 1 album since 2005 that's horrible. They had acts like JR Writer, Stack Bundles, Max B, Ja ja, 40 Cal, Purple City Byrd Gang group, S&S Uk group and other acts as well none of them popped all talented horrible leadership from the top screwed up all those musicians.
Honestly young money was trash all they had was i think 1 album so idk how dips under achieved they was hood dudes that touch millions that sounds great to me
Young money got the sky box behind them. BABY THE ONLY ONE OVER THERE WILL DO A VS
Listen... I know the underrated, underappreciated, and overtalented trio of legends from Yonkers embarrassed them.. but that shouldn't diminish what dipset brought to the game in the early 00s.. I think the only true disappointment was juelz.. he had potential but kinda fizzled.. cam is a legend.. and jim jones went kinda far for someone who didnt even start out as a rapper and is still relevant til this day..
Facts..... everything else is just a opinion..... you nailed it totally. Jim is the only one who let his talent take him as far as it could bring him...Great point that Jim wasn't even a rapper just a hype man for the Dips. Jim made his name solo and as part of Byrdgang
@@gregharris5278 my g.. appreciate it 💯
@@gregharris5278 I was never a diaper fan but Jimmy has been solid these past few years
Bro I been addicted to your videos for the last 2 days.. keep up the great work!
Gotta agree 👍 The LOX came ready for War and won the Battle.
I felt sorry for Dipset, because it seemed like they weren't ready for versus battle, and thought swagger would make them victorious.
Yea. They were the first (them and the lox)to go on there and actually compete. Every other time it was all chummy and love(well gucci jeezy, but jeezy pussed out and let dude run all over him), but I think Dipset thought it would be lite. Boy were they wrong
The Dips was one of my favorite rap groups and they have hits frfr and were influential in their time and i respected the dress code and their beat selection was crazy too. I do feel in their heyday Cam was too simplistic with the rhymes...he was a better rapper before their big mid- 2000s run and he's been a better rapper since the late 2000s. Just my opinion.
People thought every dude from New York dressed like dipset
@@jeffreyjuliano9743 LOL!! I feel you. Cam had dudes down South where I'm from wearing pink shirts back in '03-'04.
@@FEB-mz6zr or jackets with every team on them
@@jeffreyjuliano9743 exactly! The way them boys dressed back then was straight cold blooded. They changed the game
Agreed
I want to be respectful when I say that dipset had limited substance & diversity across the board. They did very well with limited talent musically within their core and will ultimately be remembered as such. Great mission statement, underwhelming follow through.
Talk about it please.People don't see the bigger picture
If you only follow traditional wordplay, you’ll never understand the allure and impact of Dipset.
@@johnnyjacuzzi7498 facts! they surely had allure and impact! Unfortunately, without substance and diversity, they could not sustain success over time due to their limitations as artists. It was short and brief.. as it should have been and ultimately became
@@johnnyjacuzzi7498 Facts saying shit like " grimey grimey hieny hieny whiney whiney" is supreme word play
Lets be real they threw the dirt on raps coffin
I’m glad u did a stunted growth on juelz cus he gotta be one of the biggest disappointments ever
He went platinum Defjam didnt wanna let him go...the lean is what happened to em
Ever. Who would've thought dude would be without teeth and only 2 albums in 20 years
@@jamalmack1076 This is the answer here. Juelz did that shit to himself, messing with Wayne and that lean. His teeth fell out because of it. Then he got that gun charge and went to jail. He peaked years ago. It's ashame, because he was easily my favorite in the group. Hell Rell was fire too.
@@stuntedgrowthmusic not me brother smh true waste of talent , I’m a fan of ur work brother both sports and music. If u ever got some time u should check out my music channel
That Cam verse was the best ever from Rap City
Your high
Is it Za????
Dipset performance was worse than a milli vanilli concert 🤣
That caption is all cap.. Dipset will never be a disappointment.. They moved the culture all thru the 2000's.. Stop judging from the verzuz sheesh..
Didn’t u watch the video 💀
Dip set was trendsetters which made there music big everyone wanted to be Julez when I was in high school
"F mike til u seen me u never saw thriller"🔥🔥🔥
Factssssssssssss
“Get comfortable in his beach 🏖 chair 🪑 “ lol 🤣
Man, The Lox buried them.
A good comp for The Dipset is No Limit. Really great beginning with lots of sales and spotlight, followed by a quick downfall. I think No Limit might have more total sales than Dipset though.
Both complete trash minus one rapper from each camp, you're right its a perfect match up
yea and no limit was independent with a distribution deal from a major so they kept a lot more of the money. dip set money had to go through def jam and the roc.
Can you do Jody Breeze? Thanks fam 💯
He was supposed to be that next guy coming out of the south
@@SUPREMEgoldchain_REAKTZ Ace was better than Wayne
Go watch Breeze B High ATL interviews. He explains alot of his own stunts.
Crime Pays is a classic too, IMO. Love that album.
And that’s on the light end of Cam’s classic albums.
@@johnnyjacuzzi7498 everything he did after Dipset, with Vado, was good too.
Curve
@@MMMitchell673 Curve, Get it in Ohio, Chalupa, Crime Pays was one of my favorite CD’s.
Facts and Killa Season
I just wished Unkasa, Hell Rell, 40 cal and Writer was there with them during the verses would have had more catolugue to choose from
perfect timing and commentary!
I just love his videos man I be to ready
He need to do better resarch im a dj alot of his stuff be off and i just aint like cause dips loss versus u say they career a disappointment
I remember waiting to watch their videos growing up on MTV Jams just to see what Cam'ron was going to wear.
Trust me no one was more disappointed in the versus than I was…but let’s not forget how influential Dipset was in there prime…they’re basically the bridge of the north and the south and was embraced by all…as far as what they grew to be Juelz may have been the most stunted but as a whole I feel they surpassed there talent 🤷🏾♂️‼️
Facts!! People act like Hip Hop artist generally have a decade span of being consistently on top in a grimey ass music industry.. Most artist last 2-3 albums at best lol, Juelz also decided to get hooked on drugs (His Problem🤷🏾♂️)..
Cam just had a pop up in Manhattan a week before the Verzuz battle, the line was wrapped around the corner from open to close the entire weekend lol, doesn’t seem like stunted growth to me.
Yo bro. I FUCK with you. Your basketball and rap videos are on point all the time but as an unofficial member of Dipset South I WILL NOT tolerate such disrespect. First Fab NOW the Dips?!?! Oh no no no NO WAAAYYYY....but I get why you say that lol
Great channel and content bro you should do Mims from New York Next ✌🏽
Keep it 100 dipset started to fall off a long time ago. Like 08 09. Dipset still the guys, Killa one of the best rappers 🤘
Brilliant video bro 🤣 very well put together
I think the beats they had carried them. They had the dopest beats at the time with so so lyrics and it showed in that verzuz
I agree I loved Dipset beats just their lyrics wasn't on point.
C'mon dawg, you should've put Diplomatic Immunity in the thumbnail as their classic album
Great video. Thank you.
Nobody in their right mind as a hiphop fan ever thought the dipset would compete with the LOX...
Didn’t expect a dominating anything from dipset...
The LOX...those 3...They real family!!! It’s bigger than rap n the look!!! N none of the LOX are divas...ijs
Cam didn’t drop the ball. It’s was Jimmy, Jimmy not moving HIS artist $tack Bundle$ out the hood unless it was under his roof, his problems with Max B, Jha Jha not getting compensated for her efforts, Jim paying his artist minimum wage after doing shows. Jim’s shady business with Agallah. I could go on. Them shitting on Dipset 2.0: Hell Rell, JR Writer, 40 Cal.
Platinum hits and classic albums from the group and the members , they didn't disappoint when it comes to success. Jim and Juelz disappointed by not being loyal. Egos and beef in the group fu*ked up a powerful movement
Just aa question. When you say classic albums from the group. What classics? DI1? Because 2 wasn't a classic, and that's all they had. Individually Cam is the only 1 with a classic album.
My Boss has a saying that goes: The fish stinks from the head, down.” Meaning, success & failure starts with management & the person in charge. I think Cam was great as far as being the “face” & personality of Dipset, but I don’t think he ever had the work ethic & business acumen to take the group to the next level.
@@stuntedgrowthmusic I disagree what I mean is that everyone from the group has at least one classic/great album. Cam definitely isn’t the only one with classic album IMO.
Juelz should of been as big as lil wayne
Dipset had some of the best fashion styles
I've been a fan since my cousin played the crap out of Immunity. The Diplomats should not be on Stunted Growth but they belong here.
No one would ever say Jim Jones was the best rapper of the group🤣🤣🤣 EVER!!! No one not on drugs anyway. He’s clearly the least of the group
cam was the best in the set!
Hell Rell
@@rykkocolorido1334 I'm saying the original members, but cam and rell was the best!
Ofc he’s literally the most recognizable of the group
I like dipset but they can't hold a candle to L.O.X plus they weren't prepared for the battle. LOX got too many classics plus timeless features like last days, reservoir dogs, 24 hours, niggas done starting something, can I live, blackout. That's not even featuring Jadakiss solo feature classics. Dipset catalog not deep enough. When the last time we heard a Santa song we liked Beamers,Benz, Bentleys and Jim jones not good enough
I love the lox but their albums are average at best..
Now see when they played two joints they were featured on alongside Mase, Camron should have responded with Horse and Carriage and Got It
@@arizonaFIREent And so was dip set Camron the only one with a classic album under his belt with come home with me. The SDE and Killa season was good. Purple haze had heat on it
The basketball analogies had me rolling lol
The Lox and Dipset versus was the highlight of 2022. Hands down
Great video!
That’s the same thing I was saying the diplomats weren’t prepared they just wanted to be flashy and swag it out and thought that was going to win I didn’t even hear Cameron play oh boy 🤦🏽♂️
That's the sad part about that versus, because he did Play Oh boy lmaooooo........ The Lox at that point took over the show so a lot of Dipset hits weren't hitting.
@@ryannelson6451 awe man see that’s tragic
Camron Killa Season was 🔥🔥
I consider them to be like a hip-hop version of the wrestling group N.w.o 🤣
Great comparison 🎯
Gotta mention Araabmuzik.. when I think of that true Dipset sound, it's his beats that play in my head
I'm a big dude. But wtf Sheek been doing? My G look like he been on juice. Salute LOX. Hella performance!!
Confessions Of Fire and S.D.E. were Cam's classic albums. Not Come Home With Me(mediocre at best) and Purple Haze(fire)!
Purple haze but chwm is better
Agree that confession of fire and sde are classic but come home with me mediocre? You're on you're own with that one.
Dipset was doing a lot of shit that other ny crews wasn’t doing which was embracing the other rap regions. It’s a reason why Wayne was close to them. Chicago & Ohio showed loved to Cam that’s why he did get it in Ohio. Lil flip was fuckin with them too. Go watch cam’s drink champs interview explaining how they went into def jam & took over an empty office room & handled business
Bird game is really how Wayne got on
@@rykkocolorido1334 Byrd gang came later. That was Jim, Mel matrix, noe & stack. Wayne was fuckin with them after Carter 1
Jay z embraced other regions before them. Biggie too
I still get goose bumps when thinking about or listening to “Dipset Anthem”
Great video
I’m from the UK I grew up on dipset amongst many others. I wouldn’t say they were a disappoint just more underground than mainstream!
All in all Cam'ron knew how to differentiate the business side from the music something that the other dipset members didn't understand!!!!!
Great as usual
Every group needs a Cam’ron
Bars.
You should one about 2Pac group’s Tha Outlawz
That would be a good one!
Yep jim jones stayed working.. To this day 😀
THIS WAS A STRETCH MY GUY. If you weren’t outside in the early-mid 2000s, you inherently don’t understand. It was more than music. Cam was like a supervillain in the comic book universe of rap, and every member of his team was entertaining in their own way. You had to know and respect a certain wavelength to “get it.” Plenty of people didn’t and still don’t (as evidenced by this video), but that’s ok it’s not a bad look for you, it just means they weren’t for you.
They got bodied on verzuz, but comparing them to the LOX is like apples to orange soda. Now you have a bunch of people who are too young or just never got it that are coming out of the woodwork to give props to the LOX, which is cool, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of the Diplomats’ wild unique legacy. That’s some fuck shit, but I guess not very surprising given how stupid the average hip hop fan is.
Well we're not talking about a fantasy comic book whatever... dude. We're talking about music. I don't think hip hop fans "don't get it" I think it's pretty obvious they dropped the ball as a group multiple times. Maybe you're over thinking it. Respectfully
@@stuntedgrowthmusic you can’t tell these fan boys nothing I’m from New York but they was never that good Cam literally carried them
@@Rieky22 yet you named after an overrated baller who always choked in the playoffs hahaha
@@stuntedgrowthmusic delete the video
Jada alone on skill alone would be enough to shut down all of dipset if they beefed in their prime. He had prime 50 in a bag back then and 50 antagonised the diplomats. Then we have the rest of the lox to consider. JC was pretty fair imo.
Prisoner of the moment lmao before the verzus battle with lox in which they loss would there been a video of dipset on here? They a legendary group in hip hop again I love my guy who makes these videos but he is running out of content
Question: if Cam pulled out a stack of money, and did the Basement freestyle after Who Shot You? Does that change the momentum?
Yea it woulda definitely made it a closer battle
DipSet had one of the most talented rosters in the game. Hell Rell was SOOOOO underrated.
Jim Jones being a informant is what nailed the coffin shut forever. Dipset dug their own grave trying to compete with the LOX.
“Fell or leaped “ 🤦🏾♀️😫
Well Dipset cheapened their product. Cam'ron's "Come Home With Me" had quality production from Just Blaze , as well as their in-house production Heatmakerz (even they too would give less production as time went on) . By the time "Purple Haze" came out, majority of production were done by up-and-coming or entry level producers. The beats were weaker in an effort for Cam'ron to pocket as much of the advance money as possible. The raps became very nursery , and the effort in story-telling and seriousness was near gone
Bro Purple Haze is arguably his best album and Heatmakerz are on that album heavy
@@NEONOIRERA key word-- "ARGUABLY"...and take some time to listen to SDE and Come Home With Me, and compare those beats/lyrics with the BS you hear on Purple Haze...HEATMAKERZ ONLY DID 2 BEATS ON PURPLE HAZE. People like you love to talk without facts. You and I were definitely introduced to Cam at two different times . Youre a dilettante in this situation
@@ehlohimwhil5762 take some time? Bro I have every cam album I’m 38 years old SDE is classic but Purple Haze is just as dope so is Killa Season also the production on Purple Haze wasn’t weak to me
@@ehlohimwhil5762 nigga how you know when I was introduced to Cam fool I heard Cam on 8 is enuff on Big L album stop iy
@@ehlohimwhil5762 you’re right the only did two joints but skitzo joints chad hamilton all their joints sounded just like heatmakers beats they didn’t miss anything
Juelz probably could have been bigger but they were definitely not a disappointment,,,legendary careers
Good watch. You definitely up to date with the sources
6:38 Jayz looking like a evil crack scientist 😂
Lol that's definitely the look he was going for no doubt
I still bump them till this day.
Together they shine, divided they fall.
2:14 - 2:30 was a bar and represents the issue with dipset. Seeing Dipset get embarrassed like that was like seeing the cool kid in high school all fucked up in they 30/40s. In high school so many dudes were trying to act like Camron and Dipset.
Does anybody know the name of that first instrumental they were rappin on?
He didn’t accuse Jay of stealing Biggies flow. He just pointed it out. Facts are facts.
Good shit bruh
I never was a fan of Dipset. I checked out from CamRon after Confessions Of Fire. The Dipset imo spent to much time trying to be fly rather than putting out music that's worth a damn. I remember at one point they were trying to compare them to Wu-tang. I was like...... STOP IT ! Anyway nice stunned growth video.
U must be in your 40s im 37 and diplomats had 02 to 04 on smash
@@antoinejenkins2096 I turned 40 on Mardi Gras Day in February. I'm from the N.O.
@@BlackMusicGenre maybe that's y but dipset ran the northesst for 2 years straight
@@antoinejenkins2096: I'm n Alabama and them facts...
But lets not act like they didn’t put out hella heat tho.they had the look and they had the heat
Cams eyes were soo damn red in that picture lmao