500-HP HONDA TURBO B16A-POST BIG BANG BUILD
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- FULL RESULTS, STOCK BLOCK, CRANK, HEADS, AND HEAD BOLTS. WE DID REPLACE THE BROKEN PISTONS AND RODS, UPGRADED THE CAMS, THEN ADDED A T66 TURBO TO TAKE THE HONDA B16A EVEN HIGHER IN POWER. AFTER THE MISTAKE IN (BIG BANG B16A) PART 1, WHERE I RAN A STOCK B16A UNDER BOOST TIL A PISTON BROKE (NO EXTRA RING GAP), I DECIDED TO UPGRADE THE COMBO WITH RODS, PISTONS AND CAMS. RETAINED THE STOCK BLOCK, CRANK, HEAD, HEAD BOLTS AND P30 INTAKE. THEN ADDED BOOST FROM AN INTERCOOLED T66 TURBO.
This channel has taught me more about engine tuning and modification than any channel I've seen on youtube. Well done man! If you ever want to collaborate on an engine build let me know!
thnx
Richard is the perfect combination of enthusiast/mechanic. I could listen to him talk shop for hours at a time.
I would love to drive any Honda w/
545hp/380ft.lbs 😬
Feels like a 700 hp v8
B16s love boost due to the almost perfect rod to stroke ratio.
Also oem GSR cams make huge power gains for boosted applications
ROD RATIO MATTERS VERY LITTLE
I just purchased your Xtreme Honda Horsepower book today !! Love your videos like I do all engines
Well now you need to do a 2.3 Ford Lima. N/A and Turbo
Yes! Lots of them out there between the 1983-1988 Turbo Coupe, 1984-1986 SVO, and 1985-1989 Merkur XR4Ti.
I agree with these guys 👆🏼
Let’s see some Ford 2.3L dyno pulls N/A and then Turbo’d
That speaks volumes about the engineering that goes/went into those engines. I'm impressed.
We were also in on the early k-series honda 2.0 rsx turbo motors. SBE, no ring-gapping. Very cautious tune ups, and large exhaust sides, made a forgiving, and powerful deal.
Great video as always and thanks for reminding me why I run a V8.
Love these motors. Had a B16a1 in a CRX with a small shot nitrous and it was a blast to drive in the street.
Do a 2.3 Ford Lima N/A and throw a turbo on it stock until it broke . Please!!!!!!!
Get him the engine and turbos.
or a 22re with head studs lol
After watching your videos im fairly certain ring Gap was the reason I broke piston in my turbo geo Metro
In our research with the old 2.2 dodge turbo 4 from the 80's, they would break piston ringlands between the 1st and 2nd ring down at the 175whp range because of a hotspot in the chamber. Those same seemingly fragile pistons would go on towards 400whp once the "glowplug" in the chamber was addressed.
What was causing the hotspot and how was it addressed? You can't just throw out a shiny bait like that and not expect to hook at least one curious gearhead.
@@Parents_of_Twins Heart shaped chamber. Tit between int/ex valves was over 1/2 inch cast aluminum. Became an ignition source.
@@kylemilligan752 Interesting. Was it a casting flaw or just oversight by the designers. Thanks for the info.
Honda’s make power with boost. Their cylinder heads flow very well.
I'm not necessarily brand specific. I appreciate power on every scale. I'm getting somewhat tired of the played out LS turbo powerhouses. Cool to see something different.
Lol, I thought i was the only one feeling like that. 7yrs ago I was the only junkyard ls swap in my area. Now, its everywhere.
@@thaiyota you guys are literally hipsters. "Oooh I did it before it was cool... Now that its cool I'm not going to do it". How about you quit caring what everyone else is doing and do what you want. If you have a fast turbo ls setup then why change it because someone else has an LS...
@@konnerkramer329 because being associated with overdone cookie cutter cars sucks.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 that's exactly what a hipster would say. If you have a fast LS setup that runs hard and consistent then why would anyone compair you to someone else with an ls that runs like dogshit. The fact is no would. They're are hundreds of guys with 350, 351, 340, 429, 426, 454 that run like shit but that doesn't mean you're going to call someone with one running 10s an idiot who's just doing what everyone else is doing. So why would you do the same for an LS. More gen 1 sbc were made than Ls but no one calls a 350 an overdone cookie cutter build. You guys are just hating on the LS because everyone is using them and you just want to be different. But instead of building a 2jz or an RB or even a big block chevy you just talk shit on the LS because you think it makes you look cool. News flash you just look like an idiot who's hating on people who actually what to go fast.
@@konnerkramer329 It's very hipster of a grown man to get so emotional on social platforms over mechanical preferences. To each their own, deal with it.
some Honda v6 turbo stuff would be awesome too. Loving the videos
Yaaassss j series
Pfi speed has done some j series stuff
Good test. Here's something to consider. In the early 60s Pontiac put a 4 cylinder engine in Tempests. I think it was half a 389. If you could lay your hands on such an engine, it would be interesting to see what you could do with it
These b16a motors love the gtx3076r, seen numerous setups make over 600 on the same 24 psi you took this thing to. Faster response as well. Jump to a B20 vtec with a 3582r and your making over 700 on same boost
Love the Honda stuff as well sir!
That NA dyno chart is sweet. I mean, the dip in the middle is screwy, but whatever, shifting at will have you above 5000 anyway. This would be a fun setup to run around a road course.
Yesssssss. I've been asking for this..i hope he does the r53 mini cooper engine next i been asking for
Yesssssssssss more honda
I think it would be awesome if you did a Toyota 20R or 22R or something like that.
18RGEU
Ive got a 22r in my sand rail. I have really been tossing the idea around of throwing boost at it. Its the torque that should be impressive, however im sure itll put down reasonable power. Its a huge plus the 22ret came turbocharged so oem turbocharging parts are available.
Getting close to 100k subs buddy! 👍🏻
Wow....that is amazing work sir!
I know you wrote a book on the focus Zetec but I’d love to see a combination build up of the zx2 Zetec with vct on exhaust side. If you work the combustion chambers and unshroud the intake and exhaust and make a sord of swoop from the side of the chamber wall coming towards the divide between intake valves and then do the same on the other side and then blend the chamber walls into the unshrouded intake and exhaust then blend the sharp edged spark plug boss and port the intake and exhaust and deck the head 100 thousandths( which would still give you plenty of piston to valve clearance) then put in a custom intake cam with more duration and use a ported aluminum probe intake and long tube headers for the N/A test and then test with turbo with an optimized tune they can make a lot of power. But I love all motors I love when you say your not a ford or chevy or mopar guy your an engine guy and I feel the same way. Keep testin. Your videos are great!
Your convincing me to send my B16 del Sol. Lol. I don't want a crazy horsepower car though so at least I know I would be safe pushing far less power on a stock motor.
Currently running a a3 b16 on my daily … make me wanna rebuild and slap a turbo on it since it use to be a circuit engine and I belief is tired now. I would be fine with 300-350 whp. Lol I want reliability and fun lol
You should do an old school 4g63t 6 bolt. I've heard of people pushing to 600hp, with completely stock internals?.?
I wonder how reliable this would be for a daily driver.
Hey Richard. Do some stuff on Honda v6 engines. I think it would be interesting
Yes! TLX SHAWD non VTEC V6...
Thank you thank you... I've learned so much from your channel...
Thanks for the Honda content!
You should do an Srt4 engine video too... Keep up the nice work!
Damm that's impressive.
I was always under the impression that i need arp head studs, not anymore. It's a shame you didn't do a b20 turbo with all the myth's about the weak cilinder walls.
With a b16 head it’s the poor mans type r b20vtech but b20 walls are thinner then b16/b18 might get sketchy with boost but arp head studs are a good idea just Incase
yea the cylinder walls at 20 lbs crack 100% on a b20 84mm too thicc
I don't understand stopping dyno pulls at 8000rpm. We had issues with the powdered metal honda oil pump above 9000rpm, but was remedied by a billet oil pump gear and a good harmonic balancer.
B SERIES HOTNESS!!!
This channel is awesome! Love the info, keep up the good work Richard!!!
Another great video sir! I also have an idea. Can you do a comparison of the 3rd Gen VVT 5.7 Eagle head & 6.4 Apache head motors to include the truck and car intake manifolds? And can you do a comparison of the Moes, Jay Green, and Comp cam options?
Loved this video
I wish Richard could get another stock Honda D or B series and give it the .019" ring gap on stock pistons and rods and see where the limit is then...
not .019 ring gap-it needs more
@@richardholdener1727 Richard please explain. The rule of thumb you posted in your "Gaptize Your Junk" video stated .0065" per inch of bore. A D16 is 75mm or 2.95". so 0.0065 X 2.95 is .019175" Is the rule of thumb still too tight or did you just see .019" and think I was dealing with a 4" bore?
I would like to see a 2.4 Ecotec build.
Love to see some 2jz testing.
Awesome content
Back in the day with only FMU for management and T66 was a blast
don't forget the BTR Ignition and aquarium valve boost controllers
@@richardholdener1727 lol, ive seen mopar 5.2/5.9 magnum guys still doing that today.
Have to love any engine that revs past 8500 , DOHC for the win
Not when it sounds like my weed whacker. And takes 24 psi to make 500hp. The only thing that sounds worse is a rotary.
@@AlexLTDLX I completely agree but N/A it made more than a 70s 351w...credit where its due.
@@AlexLTDLX I'm glad there's not more people like you in the car scene , otherwise all you would have same old cookie cutter Small block chevy in everything and please don't reply back saying 'but but I have ford Windsor big block chevy hemi in my car' .
@@dilsher12 30 years of drag racing taught me hondas are slow, clog the staging lanes, loud and have less than a 50% chance of making a clean pass. When they break they still like to make a whole pass down the track oiling the whole thing as they go. Your experience might be different but that's mine.
@@falconater68 now compare that 70s 351w to a 70s 4 banger....oh shit....stop comparing built to the walls 4 bangers to smogged ass malaise era v8s.
How about some other guys, import edition? 1UZ, 4AG, 3S-GTE, 1 or 2JZ, SR20, any RB, 4G63, or even some Honda J-motor goodness?
I have an RB25
@@richardholdener1727 Cool. When can we expect to see it?
You're videos are the best. Even the ones that are done late at night after a long day.
Great video
Richard, you really need to do a video on a K24! Cheers!
its up
Pretty much a b16 just better head flow and more displacement oh and put a k20 head on a k24 then you can party
Hell yeah!! I was a Honda guy before I fell in love with Camaro’s 👌🏽😎
Right on
Gotta do some inline 5 turbo Volvo’s!
4g63 is another big power 4 banger 😁
The miracle of efficient 4 valve heads. They certainly can make horsepower.
I suspect that with 500 HP on the street, that engine would have the lifespan of a mayfly.
Have to tune a couple hundred HP out of it to make it to the 7-11.
Rods, pistons springs and retainers are an easy 700 HP set up as you'll find
I'm still waiting on a 2JZ big bang on a stock bottom end.
My b16 with 83mm bore just put down 361hp at the wheels on 15 psi on 105* day at 7800 rpms, we stopped due to the heat and im going back in 1 month to finish the tune, I have 16 more psi to go and maybe another 2000 rpms.
I'm surprised the torque numbers are so low. Is that a factor of cams and/or turbo sizing? Please do more four cylinder turbo tests.
With a b16 head it’s the poor mans type r b20vtech but b20 walls are thinner then b16/b18 I remember my friend having one of these in a crx/delsol integra with nitrous
Smoky motor 🙁wish I had saw your videos earlier went up on boost on my stock 5.3 now I have a very smoky driver side ,if anyone has mosquitoes I’ll spray for you😂😂😂
Should look into doing a Honda j series v6, they’re quite capable even in stock form
I like those
Will you do a general review of difference of electronics on engine between big 3.
we dont change ring gap and we boost 1.0bar no problem (15psi) with 95RON
Richard could you possibly do a boosted Toyota 22R ?
Piston rings transfer heat from the piston to the cylinder walls. Butting rings gets to be a chicken or egg conversation. Are butted rings and broken ringlands caused by excessive piston temperature? We saw less piston issues in sbe hondas as we began using bigger exhaust housings and wheels.
Ring gap allows the end gasses to escape into the sump reducing any detonation effects. Looking at it from a slightly different point of view you can run any engine without coolant to the point where it gets so hot that the pistons seize in the bores, once it cools it runs again and the ringlands don't break so the ring gap theory has to be wrong.
The suggestion of piston heat having an effect is a different way of looking at the way heat is transferred in the engine.
-- The rings have a complicated hard life though. They don't have much thermal mass, and they see convection from the lateral gas ports, so they get the heat immediately and don't have a whole lot of surface area to conduct heat into the bore, plus the contact is at high pressure.
--Look at 2:35. The piston crown is intact, but the other ringlands broke. That's a valuable lesson in piston design. From a heat management standpoint, the crown has a lot of thermal mass that's able to go down into the skirts and wrist pin structure. If that wasn't enough, the ports from the oil rings promote oil convection.
-- Piston cooling is complicated. I think about it a lot when I have to choose between a short compression height piston, or a standard one. Oil surface tension. Thermal mass. Skirt surface area.
ring gap allows end gases to escape...reducing detonation effects-um no!
Love the channel and its so grwat to see some honda love.. you wanna show an impressive honda engine do the k series stock on boost
I HAVE K SERIES TURBO VIDS UP
Love the import content. Something different!
Would of liked to see boost curve, back pressure reading and turbo rpm.
On Honda, they pretty much mirror the power curve, especially after vtec
i cant tell you without looking. a 90 degree angle.
More boosted Honda stuff
What's the chances of seeing an H series big bang in the future
6.5 gm military hummer with BOOST!!!!!!!/ also 68 oldsmobile 350 with BOOST!!!!
Id love to see a honda v6 engine (j32 or j35a8 3.5 liter v-TAAAK)
Definitely bad ass
Ford Lima 2.3! Do iittttt!
Had someone in a camaro forum ask about iron duke performance mods. Wink wink.
3.1 is a pretty built little engine. Lots of tricks built into them
@Ultra CNC theyre ugly as sin and hard to work with since they are fwd engines mostly.
Wait how come you say foot pounds but on screen it says pound feet? Is it pound feet correct way to say it??
Nice.
Rice Rice Baby!
Do you have impeccable notes about every dyno session, engine, and run? This was run 15 years ago and you talk about it like yesterday.
Memory is pretty good but also notes and (mostly) articles I wrote to remind me
What about some Mazda 13b rotary action, Not just for Puerto Rican's grew up in Miami, love me some rotary turbo.! Mighty mouse 1.3 liter...
Richard, hear me out turbo but flip it around have the hot side be the cold side and let’s see the power loss. Wacky thoughts on my lunch break
Honda!!!! Thanks!!!!
B16 works well turbo but supercharged they don’t make the power like turbo I think it’s because intake temps are to high on Honda’s
superchargers don't make the same hp/psi as a turbo (drive losses associated with powering the supercharger)
Yesssssss
Great test. Were those reused head bolts Torque to yield or not? Have you ever reused TTY head bolts? If so, were there any sealing issues? Curious.
stock head bolts
I worked as carmechanic before, we had 3brands in the shop. One of these with lots of turboengines. And we could use stockbolts 2 more times. In factory and 2 more heads changes, same tourqe.
If back in the 80's you'd tell me that a 4-cylinder can make +500hp...
I would've laughed at you.
How about an old Cavalier with a big bang 3900 swap.
Richard please do a k honda that's where I'm going and would love some information before
Maybe check out the book he wrote on the subject ;)
K turbo video is up
Time for a K series N/A build.
when are we gonna get a 5/6/7m Toyota?
do like the 7m
How do you size a turbo for a high reving efficient 4cyl ? Big turbine and hotside seems like the beast way to keep back pressure down I'm guessing?
this was a T3/T4 hybrid
That's what i want to do to mine but put a 1.8 stroker in the b16 block
Thanks for your knowledge and your 📖
Do a Chevy 2.2l
For some reason no one wants to do ecotech the non turbo are everywhere and cheap to diablo tubers doesn’t even make a can tune
👐
Do you think outcome would have been the same on stock rods and pistons with ring gap????
FasterProms used a K series with cams and made over 600whp.
K series is lot different than B series
I think you can get to 500 hp with ring gap on a B16A (but I haven't)-will take more boost without cams
You keep calling these "Big Bang" engines, But I've never seen you tip the Nitro jug to them. So let's see what a 50% nitro load would do do for a final test.
Any chance of doing a rotary?
Don't crush that dwarf
Hand me the plyers
The motor makes a lot of hp, but the torque suffers. I think that is the difference between say my 1.4L Cruze, which pumps out more torque at low RPM. I’m beginning to believe that not making massive amounts of torque on the low end is the key to blocks surviving. My Grand National makes a ton of torque on the low end and guess what, the block has been known to split. One guy with a 6766 turbo made 625/683 to the wheel and his block survived but for how long I don’t know. That’s probably over 700hp and close 800 ft-lbs of torque to the crank. The 109 blocks have made over a 1000 wheel hp and probably 950 ft-lbs of torque but with every modification possible to strengthen the block. My understanding is because the block is off center that cost quite a power my having the crank pin split weakens the the engine as a whole. Maybe I’ll get Richard to Big Bang a 109 block one of these days, with at minimum replacing the stock center main caps with billet still ones.
So how much I have a 91 si and I definitely need one
E85 or race fuel?🤷♂️
whats better for turbo, 4-1 or 4-2-1 headers ?
they both work